"Who Gonna Check Me, Boo?" with Suze Orman

struggles for financial independence. So there is no better person to join me on today's episode than money experts Susie Orman. This is a ride, an adventure, and a lesson in finances. This is a Housewives episode you don't have to feel guilty about talking about. You'll enjoy yourself and get amazing financial takeaway advice. Do you watch The Housewife overall? Are you aware of who anybody is or you? This is just the very first episode I watched was this one?

So do you have any idea who I am as a person? I know all about you, your charity, your TV show. I know everything about you. I watched you when you're on Shark Tank. But about you as the the Housewife, I don't know, I know your successes and what you're proud of, not that you're not proud of you and your work that you did with you that those are the stuff that I love about you. Thank you.

I love that. I appreciate that. So it doesn't matter that you've never watched The Housewife because I hadn't seen these Atlanta episodes, which are vintage for a long time, and I've recently been watching New York episodes around the same time, and it's yard because the Atlanta episode don't um age as well. I don't know if it's the it's the production of them. They seem more dated than the New York ones, and I don't know why, but they see like you really can see the difference, and

obviously the technology that that's no one's fault. I just think that the show seems so dated and when I watch it and it's it's really surprising. I mean, what did you think about just the way that the show overall looks like the tech, the lack of hair, makeup, like that sort of thing, because the shows now have

a glimmer that is very different than what this was. Well, given that this was the very first housewife of any rendition that I ever saw, and it actually got me curious wanting to watch what happened to these women because it was like I cared about them. I'm like, no, this is just stupid. You are making the worst financial moves I've ever seen, Like, because you always want to

root for somebody, you want them to be okay. You don't want them just to be dumb right here that you want to say no, if you do this, then you can be more. You can really have more and not hide behind all this stupid glamour that they think it's glamor well, by the way, but that's the entire Housewives. Like you should literally be a Housewives consultant because when I explained to you that I know the money that the people actually have and they roll way deeper than

I do. For those of you listening, we're talking about the who Gonna Check Me Boo episode with say I'm talking to Susie Orman has never ever watched The Housewives. This particular franchise, UH section meaning Atlanta is the highest rated, has always been maybe Beverly Hills as eclipse them, but they've always been very high rated and they roll very deep in the Bentley's and the rolls, rooices and the houses which Susie are more in the suburbs are not

in Atlanta proper, so they are not expensive. Meaning there's an eighteen thousand serfort house there that could be one point something million dollars, where in New York City you could have a two thousand servant department be ten million dollars. So that's a lot of the all show and no go of this the way this show looks. But we're getting into Sharai. So when Susie says she was a little bit of a mess, we're talking about Scherai moving into her new house and a state of her divorce,

the foreclosure, the custody. Let's hear what you have to say about all that, Suzi. Oh my god, where do I start? So the first thing when you're introduced to Sharai, she says this thing that people are intimidated by my success. That's like her tagline. You're being introduced to all the women, and I'm sitting there thinking, what success? Right? What success? What are you talking about? Our people intimidated by your success? Or are you Charai intimidated by your lack of success? Oh? Susie,

you have no idea. You're walking into something that's also current now over a decade later, because right now, say, I guess there's a line of clothing, but they found out that it's actually stuff that she buys from sheen some Asian company, or it looks exactly like she puts her own label on. So it's still going on ten years later about this fashion line that never sort of showed up, and it's still going on right now. So you're talking about something ten years ago that's current now,

So go ahead, keep going. Well, the thing is, and the reason it's going to stay current is because they think money is what shows independence. Money does this, and you know, and I know that money is not the bottom line of what makes somebody successful. You're not even talking about money. It's even worse, Susie, because it's not money. It's a car isn't money. A car could be leased and you don't own it, and it's just shows. So

it's not money. I would never say somebody's intimidated by my success, right because you probably wouldn't drive a five undred dollar rose where sub either. No, because I still have a car that's eleven years old. But you have money, so so I'm just because you said money, so you me and the material. I'd rather have money invested and in the bank and growing for me than in a depreciated asset. I am no desire to impress the person next to me at a stop sign that I don't

even know right but to do that. But on broad this is the land where Jersey Housewives Teresa paid for all her furniture over a hundred thousand dollars in cash in the beginning, and then she and her husband went to jail for tax evasion a couple of years later. So you're walking into a situation where I was cast on the show in a studio apartment from furnished by a Kia only because of my personality. I would never be cast now because they will only cast people that

seem to have an aspirational, wealthy lifestyle. So it's a circular reference and people have to keep showing, and a lot of times it's all show no go foreclosures by grupcies, you know, law cases where it's fraudulent. So this is where you're walking in. So now, all right, so I'm walking in. That's the first thing I noticed. Then the next thing she says, I All I want out of

this divorce is seven figures. And I'm sitting there thinking seven figures isn't gonna get you anything, Like why is that the only thing number one that you want is seven figures? And why is it that? What I would want out of a divorce, Not that I know about that, because I'm happily married. But what I would want out of a divorce is my own independence, my own knowing that I can do anything on my own that somebody else doesn't need to hold me up. Money doesn't need

to hold me up. I can hold up the entire world. That's what I would want out of a divorce. But all Charai wants is seven figures. And what's so sad in the end. I don't know she ever got it or not. But this Bob person who she was married to, he doesn't have a pot to pean, right, So you can't just think, you can't just wish a wizard unicorn is going to bring seven figures in. And you're right, um in the sense like it's a Tina Turner thing.

She wanted her name, she wanted her independence. But even in the land of intelligence, UM sure would want to be free of debt to be free of this man. He could pull her down to they're still married. When you are married and getting divorced, you are liable for part of whatever the hell they've got going on. So you might just want Tina Turner style your goddamn name and to have a clean slate. We can't wish for unicorns to jump through the window if they're not coming

with this guy who has no money and is a deadbeat. Yeah, so so that was it was obvious that he had no money because who allows a house to go into foreclosure with their own credit, with their own credit and who is nineteen months behind on their child's support. So what that says right there is that Sara can act like she's a businesswoman, she can act like she knows about money, But how do you act and pretend when you don't even know that nobody is making the payments

on your home? Fact, nobody tell that's so true. How are you a business person if your house goes into foreclosure you can't. Then you're literally setting women back a hundred fifty years saying that the man sees all the bills. It's everything you talk about in your podcast. You have to know your own ship, and you're saying, she's the definition of a person who just like blindly listen to a man about what was going on with the numbers.

Teresa blindly listen to a man and went to jail for it, Like you know, we have to either we can't play stupid and smart at the same time as what you're saying, Yeah, so it's it's that was sad to me, right because the court ordered that he was to pay the mortgage. But how many men in the world,

and how could she not know that? Could she not have real life friends that obviously the partner had screwed them and they lost their home and they lost things, and at this age, real life would have said to her, the court ordered it, but I better check up on it, right, She never once opened up nothing. And how do you go nineteen months and not get money that you're owed and just go, oh, it's okay, you're right. And that

would be helping women. That would be being on the show and actually helping women instead of talking about all the money you're gonna get and pretending you're savvy and being vulnerable and telling the truth about your flaws. Then you might be able to teach someone something because not everyone knows that, but at least you would know what you don't know, and then the audience. That's a good one. Okay.

Moving along to Kim, who had she's now married, has multiple kids, which the psychic predicted she'd have more kids. But she was in a relationship for all these beginning episodes with a guy called Big Papa who was having are only of dollars, who would do anything for her, already did for her as he left her, right, he left her, and but I think they might have shared some real estate together. I don't know. She's another one who likes to show this stuff in the suburbs of Atlanta.

So did you notice how many powers she had? She drove in that one episode she had her big Bentley convertable that she drove, and then she had when she drove up to a party, she had a big white suv. It was a Rench rovers right. And so here's one woman already with two cars that total over four hundred thousand dollars between the two of them. So the the illusion of wealth there is nothing more than illusion, right.

She can't even she says she wants to open up a wig business, but she doesn't need the patients to sit through one class that maybe she could learn about how do you open? How do you do that? How do you do you do right? So she was a she was a loser from the second I saw her. So we're seeing you're seeing a theme here of like it's more important to to show other people that you have I think it's a big problem with unhappiness in

the country. It's more important to show other people how great your life is than for you to focus on your life actually being great. That's a big thing, and that's a big thing in The Housewives. It is all show and no go in many cases at all, crumbling down from many people. And even the decision and I'm sorry I don't remember her name. The woman who was married to the football place that Oakland Raiders and and he got dismissed was let oh. And so here he is.

He doesn't have a job, they have one kid, and now they're talking about having to when he doesn't have income. It's like, who knows what's going to happen to him? You could tell she doesn't really want to in this one episode, well, I'm not sure my hands are full with the kid. We are pready have, but yet she's

already been submissive and really giving up her power. I have to tell you, Bethany, this episode was a lot about financial abuse and how the women allowed themselves to be in a situation where they were and maybe still are, being financially abused. Obviously, Serai was abused by Bob. Don't tell me that the only time that she saw that he was irresponsible with money was after they got divorced.

And the idea of a rich man having having their their side piece that can't mention who the rich man is and he's supporting her and giving her that's financially abusive too, is what you're saying. That's like toxic, right, And so you can see that kind of through the whole thing, that financial abuse is present. And what's fascinating about Gerai is with this stupid independence party or that she wants to show everybody she gets involved with another

abusive man. Anthony, your take is epic because no one's ever said this before, and it's so obvious and it's so perfect for you to be commenting, and not only on this episode, but on this whole franchise and this concept in this country about showing how much we have and not even and doing so much talking and showing

without being educated at all. I mean, the other day I called my business manager and I said, because I know I've been making a decent amount of money on certain things, but I also know I've been spending a decent money on amount of money on certain things. And I also know I'm not great at knowing every single detail. So I know what I don't know um and I will ask other people around me if there's something that I don't know and and crowdsource then make my own decision.

But I called him not but I said, I know you represent a lot of different clients, and based on where I am, how am I spending like because I remember when I first sold my business asking a business manager if I could go buy a full price of Lubaton back in Dallas. He's like, you just sold your Yes,

you can buy the bag. But I'm frugal in that way, like I, So I said, he said, well, I have people that make a lot of money that are very cheap and spend nothing, and then I know people that go crazy and spend way over there or over their skis, and you're right in the middle. I said, that's fine, as long as you know your own temperature of what you want to be doing. Like I know what I have, and I know what's with an s steg Is, and and then I know that he's saying, I'm in the middle.

I'm not. I'm not getting an A, but I'm not getting an F. I'm getting a C in spending versus what you make. And I at this one time in my life, maybe okay with that. But you have to know the temperature, I think is what you're saying. No one even knows what the hell is going on behind the scenes. It's not only the temperature of money, it's the temperature of who you are and why you are making the decisions you're making, you know. On the Women in Money podcast, I focus more on the emotional side

of money than money it'sself. By the way, that's what I money noise, the relationship to money, That's what I'm talking about. The relationship you have with money. Money noise. But the relationship you have with money is identical to the relationship you have with yourself because money can't do anything without you. So if you don't value who you are, you will see money come in, go out. And it will never stay. That's why I have this saying that

self worth equals net worth. Once you start making money and you have money, if you don't have self worth at that point, you will define yourself by the money you're making versus you defining your money. I understand you're saying, it's the dog the tailwagon. The dog you need to be driving the program. You need to be in the driver's scene, and the money is the passenger. I like it, okay, So, um, I like it a lot. So say, in keeping with this theme, and by the way, this particular episode focuses

on sure a lot. Another one might focus on someone else. So we're talking a lot about Shurey who why do happen to enjoy as a television character? Um? So, she's doing this part and she believes her own myth, and it's always bigger than the top. And she built this house it never got bill called Chateau Chay, or maybe it eventually got built, but it took years. And there's

always this outlandish stuff. So Queen of the Night, she's going to do a Queen of the Night party and arrived by helicopter and be carried in by male models. So so so, well, what do you think? Here's the

big reveal. There. She goes to this designer party planner by the name of Anthony Right, and Anthony, like any buddy who wants a client, smoothes her, brings her in, gets her to sign up with him and another woman and they're on TV and the and the company's on TV at this time, meaning the company is good, make wants to look good on t V. Got it right? Then it turns out what Anthony wants to do is not what to wants to do, and they get into

this huge fight. What that represents is Shara went from one abusive relationship with Bob in the desire to throw an independence party and led her directly to another abusive relationship with Anthony, who wanted to control everything, and she totally once again the mistakes she made with Bob repeated with Anthony, and now he's screaming at her they have

to take him away. I don't know if she ever got her party or not, but the mere fact that that happened should show everybody watching how truly powerless Sharay is. Because she needs to ask her hair dresser while she's getting her hair done, what should I do. And it's the hairdresser that says, you have to call him up and show him that your boss. You have to show him that you're running the party. She needed her hairdresser

to encourage her to do that. What kind of dying? Amazing? Like, you're right, you're saying, she's saying, she's a successful business woman, she's in charge, and now she's got her hairdresser telling her what to do with her abusive event planner. Do you think the event planner was entirely wrong? And how would you handle it if you were shredded? First of all, I would have wanted to know what it was gonna cost. They never once talked about what this party was going

to cost. I still don't understand where her money came to buy the house or move into the house that she moved into, and she's there in boxes and the kids up moving everything. She didn't have professional movers do that, number one, or she wouldn't have been moving. But but I want to just skip back for one thing. She said something that was key to every thing in this one scene when she was in her house, she didn't

want her children to know what was going on. And what's interesting about that she didn't want to tell them that they didn't really have money, and that that that that she didn't want them to know. For everybody watching this and watching a program like that, if you think your kids do not already know, I have a bridge to sell you. Your kids know exactly every time you fought with your husband. They know everything that's going on. And you're allowing them and teaching them rather than teaching

them strength and independence, you are teaching them lies. You are teaching them how to not stand in their truth. You, Charay, are doing more damage to those kids by pretending to be something you're not versus being honest with them and showing what you can all be as a family. So amazing, that's so true. There's a way to do it. They were old enough. But there's a time when my daughter realized things were going on in my life and there

was a time and a way to discuss it. And I see so many parents nothing in front of the kids, and nothing in front of the kids, like that's not necessarily great parenting. You know, if you at least know what's going on, you can deal with it and you can have a team to work on. It's it's so funny because with custody things and with divorce things, there's a way to speak to young children. But I had to discuss certain things as my daughter in a very

realistic manner, and it was helpful. It was more evolved because they're watching part of a picture and they're confused because they only have a couple of the puzzle pieces. So they're making up their own stories in their mind, and they're expressing themselves in different ways at school. And I think that that's really astute of you to say that, and notice that I like that. That's very interesting. Only you could make this an intelligent episode. Um so really,

only you could. So do you have you heard of Nani in the world besides this episode? Needy Leak, she's a character. She was sort of the breakout character of this show. She's not in this episode that much. In this is earlier on in the year. She's the one who's the singer. She's no, that's Candy, Oh that's Candy. Nini is the one. She's like Candy a lot. Well, Candies is smart, but yes, we're gonna get into Candy.

But Nini was making like the sexual references with the thousand dollars on the curtains and the champagne bottle, and and Dwight comes over, and the one that where she had the designer come over and they opened a champagne. Yes, that was Nanie with the stylist right saying that you spent fifteen thou dollars on drapes and now they need to be longer. Yeah, that girl needs some style. That

girl needs some classes, because that's she's class. No, but over the course of years, I don't know if she got class by your definition, but she became more into fashion and style and she changed her look a lot over the years. Some of the house was get excited that they're very successful and they call themselves rich. But me and he was the first one to start with like I'm rich, bitch on this show. And it's again, you know, it's about how much money you Actually, I

can't see any wealth there with her. And it's even to notice that that curtains should be fifteen inches longer or whatever. It's like all I got from her in the very brief because I paid more attention to Shara. Yeah, you're right today, Yeah, it was that really, it just there wasn't There was no there there and what I say, class. What I mean is again, it's not how your place is decorated. It's not even what you decorate your place with.

It's how you you make people feel when they're in your place, so you can have a little It's so she was like and just so caught up in everything. She kind of bored me, so I just fast forward it through her. Okay, fine, So back to Sheay's meeting though, when she said, who go and check me boo? And do you ever get lit and you want to let go? I mean because I do sometimes once in a while somebody needs to get slept. So in that case, I don't. I mean, you said he had to be taken out.

I think she did. She not win that round? Did she? Who won that round? To that fight with him? I think she went all in. I have to tell you, I think she lost the round. You do and let me hear why? Because I thought, who gonna check me boo? Is a great line? Yeah? So those are great line make great television. Yes, but let's not say nobody's watching it and it's just the two of them and nobody

ever sees that, okay happen. Let's do it all right now, here she is paying good money to have her dream in four or five days come true, and she hasn't talked to the poet, has no idea if that's going to happen or not. She's not going to get a helicopter. And she what she really wanted by giving this party more than all the flamboyants, believe it or not, is she wanted to feel that she could do something and she was in control because she has been out of

control dependent until this one party. And even though she kept saying that this party is for everybody else to see that you can survive after divorce and you can do all of these things, this party was for her right to show her that she could actually pull something off that she was proud of. That makes me You don't even know how the foreshadowing is though, because it happens again later where she has a fashion show and there are no fashions. It's called she by Say, but

she doesn't have the she by Say fashion. So it's funny that Say is an interesting character because you are presenting something that seems to become a theme for her in like she wants to show that she can. Sonia Sonya on New York As moments like this too. She wants to show everybody that she can do it. And we're all waiting and you're saying that it's not going that great, so sorry, back to the meeting with them

and that. But but Bethany, who she really wants to show is herself because when all the cameras are off and everything and she's just by herself, she's broke. She's living the lie to her kids. She's so angry at her ex spouse because he had no money, didn't live up to it, she had a move, she doesn't know how she's gonna pay bills, and except for the fact that she gets a paycheck from Housewives, other than that, it's like, how is she going to do anything? And

if ever she's not on Housewives, she's screwed. Well, by the way. That's by the way, let me tell you about a circular reference. That's a big thing that happens with Housewives. So people get that happened with Alex and Simon. People get cast and the first season I made seven thousand two and all for the whole season. But it was something I took out in the contract. That's attribute. That's the reason for my great success because I knew what to cross out and get paid seven thousand to fifty.

But what happens is people this is it. They're gonna be famous, and so they are going to spend and the show is going to catch up with it, and they're gonna have these storylines in these businesses because they need to have something to show the show to stay

on so the salary can keep up. And you see this vicious cycle, and it's not that easy for people like you know, Theresa goes through this whole thing, going away to jail and stuff, and now she has a wealthy or a man who seems to be wealthy as a husband, but she stayed on that show to hustle for her kids because she went to jail and lost all this income and her ex husband was a Doug divorce. So it happens a lot of people that Erica Jane the richest. How she looks so rich, her husband's a

big lawyer. All that gets in all that trouble. She's got to stay on the show now to keep the music going. So it becomes this vicious cycle, particularly with how was I get on. I don't really have a lot of money. I have to show that I have money. But then I'm spending too much money to show that I have money, so to show us to pay me to keep up with the money that I'm sure do you see, It's like it's like getting into debt. It's

housewives debt. It's housewives debt. So going back to who won the argument, she lost the mission of the party. She failed dramatically there. And it doesn't matter how tough you talk, and do you win in a fight and you know, lash out with each other. I mean, one of the strongest things she's could have done is got up, walked out, canceled the party and say screw you, sue me for the check. Nice That that's power, that power, and sending out a notice to everybody that Anthony is

the worst planning you know, party planner. He screwed this up. You right him, but don't ever use him because I'm out of here, right, that's right, Just saying that what you just said is powerful. It's so true. Um, do you believe in psychics because Kim goes to the psychic and I want to know if you believe in psychics or do you think it's a waste of money? Totally. I believe in psychics, I believe in astrologers. I believe

in all of that. I love that. And by the way, that guy correct that that woman predicted her and she did have she did have more children, and she did have and what she says she will have a boy, Yeah she does. The audience at that time doesn't know that. But now in real life of watching years later, that that that psychic Rose told her her future. She left Big Papa. But did she because Rose told her that somehow planned for that to happen, not that it would

be a boy, but it might be a child. So she was looking to have that happen because she had so many kids. She was gonna have a boy. She had four more kids since then or something great. So it was like, was that whatever or not? But I don't think it hurts it all. You have a belief in somebody that has proven to you that they're a great psychic, they're a great astrologer. You know, not everyone is. Not everyone is a great money person. So you have

to know are they great at what they do? And if they are, I use all the help I can get in predicting the markets and whatever. You know, it was about it. It was before It was December of two thousand and nineteen, and I have been seeing astrologers and things like that, and it all the stars came up that in February of two thousand and twenty something was going to happen that would change this world forever.

And I started to talk about it on the Women in Money podcast and I started to warn everybody, I don't know what's going to happen. I just have this feeling. Be careful for February of two thousand and twenty, which is when the pandemic hit and the markets went all the way down again. Using all my resources that I do. They end when oil was down thirty dollars a barrel, you had to pay people to take oil away. It was like get into oil. Now's the time. And I go on the podcast and I say, this may be

the stupidest thing I've ever said. I want all of you to buy this specific exchange traded fund that's all energy and oil went from twenty two up to almost ninety. That's insane. Everybody get back in the market. Do not sell here. This is a blip, right, Just stay And everybody made a whole lot of money. So I use everything I can, from technical to to you name it. I take all the tools and I put them together to tell the millions of people what I think they

should do. That's unbelievable, um, but believable. So Candy, you like? Candy is talking about doing, um, a version of the Vagina Monologues, an updated version. She's talking with Lisa, who later gets let go from the show. Just so you know, Candy has been on and still is on now, and she's a successful musician who is frugal. And I think she mentions that she doesn't need to show all the bells and whistle. She has nice things, but she's probably more you know in my philosophy where she buys. But

she knows she's she's good. So you liked Candy? Why did you like her? Because there were certain things that she said, which was she was going to she wanted to do it herself. She wanted to do this album herself. She knew she had talent, she knew she made other people, that she wrote music for a lot of my need so she knew she was the real deal. And there was something about her look that I liked her look. I liked the simple haircut. I liked the even though

it was fashionable. I liked her clothes. I liked that she was gonna go for it, but because she was going to go for it, not because some beau or Bob or whatever big Daddy was going to support her, whether that ended up happening or not. I liked her sense of independence and her sense of self worth. And so even though she was in a relationship and was talking about moving in with her daughter, you felt like she had a strong sense of You feel like she

has a strong sense of self. She was the one who had one daughter and was going to possibly marry somebody with six kids? Was that right? Is that? Who is right? And her mother did not like that. Her mother's tough and has judged a lot of the people she's been with, including the and she married and that woman. The man that she was engaged to gets killed, Like you can't believe this is real. Yes, he gets killed. It they're gonna park a lot. So she lost her fiance.

And so then does she have to mother all six kids? No, she just has She has her daughter, and she ends up in a relationship with so much that she meets as a producer on the show, and then he becomes talent on the show because now he's with her. Like,

sometimes the truth is weirder than the fix. I mean this stuff that I'm talking to you about it watching back is crazy to watch Candy telling her daughter about this man that they're going to blend with and that that man don't isn't but her daughter didn't want to blend. The other thing I liked about Candy was the relationship, at least on this one episode she had with her daughter, talking not to her daughter so to speak, but to

have an equal relationship. And her daughter felt the ability to be honest with her mother that she did not like this, She was not happy about it. So why that made me like Candy is that that says to me,

that's a mother who raised a daughter. And she was so fascinating when she said, my mother was a single mother, my grandmother was a single mother, my dad DA and now I was a single mother, right, isn't I think that was her who said that, And she raised her daughter and you could tell her daughter was strong, yes, And did her daughter get that strength from she got that strength from her mother at that age. And that

made me like her. I didn't like, however, when her daughter was more interested and possibly watching TV in that one little segment that she finally said, fine, watched TV and leave when you could tell her daughter still wanted to talk more to her about this, but Candy couldn't

deal with what her daughter was saying to her. Probably, and then you're also where the cameras are there, so you have always think about the fact that whatever her daughters saying, this is also early on in years that nobody knows how stuff is coming out of the oven and how you're gonna be portrayed, and the daughters are uncomfortable in his cameras in her house. So it's just

it's different, and it's funny. The shows back then had a greater authenticity because people didn't have full hair and makeup and glam squads, and they just wore with their what you and I were wearing right now, like you're you know, just just just s wear, like normal clothes. Now it's costumes and like crowns, and it's it's clown like. It's crazy people because it's meta and everyone's sort of

showing off because they know they're on television. Back then, there were just some cameras and you were wearing a sweater out of your closet because it was real. Back then, you were doing real. So that's one of the things that's different too. There was like a there's an authenticity to it that that I don't see as much anymore.

People do miss that. Um and Candy. This is also vintage housewives, and Candy is talking about she doesn't buy jewelry and flashy items and she's focused on investing in real estate. Don't forget, this is like in her thirties. This isn't when everybody's like now in their fifties. This is in her thirties, and she's already had a music career and had albums go I Guess, gold and platinum and made money. And she's talking about investing in real estate.

So I knew you would like that. I did like that, and I like that. She looked at her wall and she had all her platinum albums and everything up there, and she liked that, and that was a representation of what she did. She displayed what she did. That's a sense of self worth. So later at the party, when meaning you're not that interested in and Shari have a discussion, Charai doesn't Shari say she did get a seven figure settlement.

Didn't she say that that did actually happen? Or no, she said, she's asked the question did you get us? Did you get your seven figures? And Shari says, the judge awarded me it, but it's not in my bank account yet. Oh it's like saying child So he also didn't pay nineteen months told whatever you said a child support? Oh?

So yes. And by the way, people need to realize that just getting to court can take so long, and getting a judge to do something is very different than getting a judge to enforce something, because that's then the law. The judge is not a cop. It's the legal system is so challenging. So even if she was quote unquote awarded, it's fiction until it gets into the bank account. And did she ever get it? That's what I bet you she didn't. But that's a great question that will come up.

I will ask any money, No way she got any money. Um, So it's funny. I don't know if kim zols Yek still has a wig business, but it's interesting that she wasn't interested in learning about the craft that it takes to do that, to do to launch a wig business. She didn't seem in. She wasn't interested in anything other than somebody making her comfortable, rich and providing for her very interesting. She would say she was interested in. Yeah, she might say that she's in instead of making her

own money, and she has had shows and stuff. But as you know, just explain to everybody. You know what people make on TV, and it's not like what people make on Finance or Wall Street. And you know what it costs to live all these lives as people are living, and you know what businesses are really making for the people listening. Just because you're selling some handbags or selling some wigs or selling some leggings, you have no idea how much work it takes to actually make any kind

of real money. For all of that, I sell everything, I sell dressing, I sell apparel, I sell popcorn and so many different things. It takes a long time to really see real checks. And they're not like game changing, life changing wrote range over SUV checks like they're not

over the course of years. Yes, I make a lot of money in the aggregate altogether because I've been doing it so long, But like selling handbags on the first year, you're gonna make zero dollars a couple hundred dollars, Like, if you're not gonna make a money and then you're gonna hit a pandemic, or you're gonna hit inflation, you're gonna hit possibly a recession, then what are you going

to do? Exactly? It's not what I'm trying to convey is that everybody thinks because housewives are wearing things with jeez from head to toe and fendy and driving nice cars that are least and in many cases borrowed. Because I've seen that too. It's it's all show and no go. There's very little meat there with these these people, which is why there's so much scandal, because people who are drawn to be on these shows, most people who have

a lot of money wouldn't be on the show. I was on the show and I had nothing, and I left when I had something like because it's very hard to justify exposing yourself to this when you don't need to. What was interesting, Bethany as I learned it twice, I was gonna be on Larry King, and that's when what's his name took over for Larry I can't remember his name from Paris, huh and for some reason on that show.

When I was going there, I normally would wear a gold Cart watch and then my airings that I haven't changed in over thirty years, same pendant, right, if you look at any book cover anything, same thing here. But I used to have a fetish for watches. Don't ask me why I was stupid. No, it's not stupid, by the way, because their investments if you do it well, which I have. But it's not the best thing to

invest in. Fine, it really isn't. But anyway, so I had really liked a watch, I think Michael Cours that was two hundred dollars. So I bought it and I wore it that night to be on the show, and Paris somehow started off this thing about how rich I was, and like, like, how much is the watch you have on for instance, Susie Right, And I was able to say, I'm two hundred dollars, why Piers right, because what does

that mean? It was? It was it was like he wanted to catch me with my thirty dollar watch on. It was very interesting. And one last thing I was had on the Susie Orman show Carson cress Leef, and he came on and I had on a seven hundred dollar T shirt, uh one dollar blue jeans jacket. Everything else I had on was very expensive. And the test was Carson, what is the most expensive item that I have?

And he chose the hundred dollar jacket. He did not choose the designer thing, and I just I went on and got those things just for this show, right, And that's when I learned you make a statement just by who you are, no matter what you wear. People think it's expensive, well no, but even money, yes, But back

to relationships with money, I believe, strongly believe. I'm certain that people who need to go to the window and buy the most expensive thing, the whole outfit together with which last creativity, but who need the logos like I have high end stuff, a lot of it, but like who need the logos, who need everybody to know what it is and who makes it, they're insecure. It's very insomuch. You think the jacket was on right now, it's hard to see it, but uh to something to fifty maybe

five dollars. I got it at the HS and discount store. That's amazing. Well, I was a man. I bought seven of them and it's my favorite jacket I wear all the time. I spent bucks for seven jackets. You also like that's part of like that's a deal making type of person. My friend her owns the Mets. She has more money than anybody that I know, and she likes the hunt. She said to me that she pitched the person from seeing is that she would wear for a year.

You know, a billionaire, she would wear for a year Sears clothes and no one would think so because people will walk up to her all the time that who makes that. She's like for the nothing Bethany jeans like forty dollars because she's rich and she doesn't need to show it. And you find that and we see that here people who really need to show their money are lacking somewhere else, and they probably don't really have a

lot of money. It's really if you have to show it so desperately with logos to make you feel secure, then you probably don't really have it. I don't think I have one item that has a logo on it, not one that's fascinating. I am sure that I have not a ton, but I'm sure that I do, but not a time. I would never want to show that to people I like that. Yeah, well you are walking the walk literally and talking to talk literally and you help a lot of people. And I think this was

so amazing. Well, first of all, let me ask you one question before we finished, But I want to ask you what you are Rose? And your thorn was of the episode? The sweet part, believe it or not, for me, was was the little girl sitting on the bed talking to mommy and owning her power. I loved that because I saw potential. I saw potential there. The true thorn was the very first thing that I heard she say, people are intimidated by my success. I was like, got it, Yeah,

what is that about? Nobody's intimidated by your success? Girl? What what is wrong with you? That was started me right then and there. That's amazing. That started me all the way down the road. And who you're the most like Candy of all the housewives? Right? I don't even have to ask that. Yeah, if you were going to compare me to that any of that? Right? And who's the most cent attaining as a as a character? Boy? Sure is pretty um whatever there I have to tell you,

they're all really entertaining. You know my moment the board one is it? Kim the Blonde. Is that Kim or who's Kim? Kim board me totally? She was Nothing she did was entertaining. I felt like it was acting. I felt it was pretentious. I felt like you have nothing to teach people here on any level. It's like from so You're like, there's a value there because we learned from some of the stuff you're saying. You know you're not. You don't learn anything to or not to do from Kim.

You just felt like it was an eye roll. Uh wow, Susie Orman. I literally had no idea because you had never watched and that wasn't relevant to me because I wanted to have a fresh conversation. But with your expertise, I'm just I can't wait to talk to my producers because you walked into the right room about the right topic and you're so good at this. Thank you so much for listening to rewives today. I mentioned it all

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