“Were people doing ​**** in your bathroom?” with Kathy Swarts

The ladies of Beverly Hills are still on their never ending Hong Kong trip, and the drama continues. The whole reason for the trip was to visit the dog rescue, but it looks like shopping and accusations were higher up on the priority list. Lisa Rinna defends her accusations about dRIT, but was she just to mean? Kathy Schwartz from The Golden Bachelor joins me to recap this episode. This is Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season seven, episode seventeen, From Dogs to Diamonds.

Let's get into it. Hi.

Hi, I'm Bethany.

Nice to meet.

You, to meet you as well.

How is life?

Life is great? I have a request of you.

Oh okay, let's do it. Let's hear.

I hate to shop. Next time I'm wherever you are, will you take me to Marshalls please?

Oh yes? Or TJ. I know it's crazy, this is crazy.

People are obsessed with this and it was like such a weird like, oh no, I.

Watched the ones in your closet. I mean I'm just like that's so not in my wheelhouse.

Thank you. That's so funny.

So what's going on? Like, what's how's your life change? Like, what's happening? What's the you know, what's the update?

So the update is everyone seems to have a date but me. But you know, I'm getting used to that. Life is good. You know, I come home, the show was great fun. I come home to my three kids, two granddaughters, two geriatric cats, and life goes on?

Does life go on? Though? How is life change? Like? What is now?

So? You know, I've had some opportunities to do some fun things with iHeartRadio, and some fun things with the Bachelor franchise, and you know, a bunch of us are going to get together next week and wash from the Golden Batcheorette in DC. And I think it's just more having fun for me. I coming back from that show, I just realized that, you know, it sounds so tripe, but every day's precious and I just kind of like to have fun. So that's what I'm doing.

And how has the experience been and changed your life for?

Like?

What do you know? I mean, what do you think about the experience?

I mean, for me, I knew pretty pretty quickly that Gary and I were going to be in the friend zone. So for me, I was able to really quickly say Okay, this is going to be fun, this is going to be an adventure. And it was. I made great friends, and I loved watching the you know, watching the machinations of the show and how they do what they do. And I came home with a bunch of friends. I mean, I just I didn't find the guide. But you know what, what were the other.

Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

Well, you're probably the only one in this country who doesn't know at this point, but I am seventy. They put it up on when you're on the show. It's you know, Kathy Austin, Texas, seventy years old.

So what is dating like?

Like?

What is that? Actually it does not exist?

Or what is it?

What's the real deal?

The real deal? I only speak trust me, I'm such a I am a real reality person here. I haven't had a date since the show. I had been dating a guy up until about on a four or five months before the show began. It's been about a year since I've had a date. I've got a couple of guy friends we do stuff with.

But do you feel like you have game? And what's your age range? When you were twenty three, you're like, oh, I want to be married by twenty five, And then you were thirty seven and you were breaking off an engagement or still single and hadn't had a kid yet, and then that you thought you were old, and then you get you know what I mean, It's like Charlie Brown, the football keeps moving and honestly speaking, I still feel young, and not in a way that's like vitamin.

Commercial, just literally.

So I think sometimes we're delusional because we're not aware of how you know what I'm saying, Like, it's great that we feel young, but like you look at guys or girls and you think they're like around your age because you feel young, but they're not.

They're much younger. They're living a different experience.

So I'm asking you, like what it really is, like, like who do you feel like you could date, and what are you looking for and what age range and like what is the real story with that?

Okay, so let me just by way of answering, let me just give you a little bit of my history. I was married at twenty years old, and my husband passed away by suicide almost five years ago, so I was married forty six years, just short of forty six years. So my situation wasn't that of dating in my twenties and thirties. You know, I have kids when I turn thirty, and so I'm sort of living life in reverse because now I am dating and meeting people, not today but

Right, It's a it's a slipper, it's a sliding scale. So I think though there's probably like seven to nine years in each direction. Like in other words, you could be with a young seventy eight, and I think you could be with a sixty three who's like confident and secure because they weren't looking at the number.

They were looking at an app.

They saw your picture and they just liked it and then they were like, Okay, let's try this.

You know what I mean. It's a it's a psychological game.

I think I find that men who have more than one child and who have been through it don't want someone too much younger because the references are different than like, it's it seems like another bowl of aggravation.

Well, I would like to agree with you, but that has not been my experience. When I was on the dating apps up until you're right before one of the show, I never had younger men reach out to me unless they were thirty five and they wanted to be my child, which is a whole different conversation. You know, I didn't have younger guys. Most of the men that reached out to me were sixty nine to eighty.

Okay, yeah, I mean I get that that does track. That makes sense. I'm a thinking and also, you know, there's something to be said for like all of a sudden, like a sixty one year old reaches out to you. You're walking in insecure, are already thinking about it like that's annoying too, feeling like there's like a chip on the shoulder of it, you know what I mean, Like you're thinking.

Do what I will say. I'm a very confident, secure person, so that really wouldn't bother me. What what I'm looking for may or may not be found, But I'm okay. I had to get okay. I wasn't okay when my husband first died. But I've gotten I've gotten good being by myself and living my life. And if you know, I live my life the way I want to, and if the right person comes into my life, that would be great. But I'm not. That's not that is not my life goal now to find a man.

Well, it's also interesting because you said you were married for so many years and you're just used to relationship. If you were someone who had spent many years single, it would be challenging wanting to go back in and be bound to someone like in other words, you did that. Many friends that I have that are married say if they got divorced, they would never want to get married again, Like they don't understand why you're going to have kids or or there's some financial reason.

They're like, why would why get married again?

I mean, I'm not saying I wouldn't get married. I'm just saying that I agreed to some extent. You know, I have my kids, I have my life, and really I don't want to cook, you know, do your own laundry, pick up your socks. You know, I've played that game. So it would have to be a really special guy that had had good energy and wanted to travel and and have fun, because there's enough misery in this world that if you get the chance to go and have fun and live life, why not. But I just haven't met.

Them, Okay, all right, Well it's interesting. I just think. And you're on the apps or you gave a break.

You haven't been on them since I came back.

You just don't it's depressed.

Yeah, I'm just not. Yeah, I'm just kind of living my life and enjoying what I do for me. And if i've you know, I've met a few guys inadvertently, but nobody that I really wanted to much time with.

I don't think, No, I think because of mingle my mocktail. Actually this is mingle my mocktail. We're talking. I was saying something for Valentine's Day, single and ready to mingle, and I was talking to a couple of people I know who are in the dating app.

Business as a business.

Someone wanted me to invest and I I know someone who runs one of the apps and is also a matchmaker.

And I don't know. I think you should.

I think you have to be on the I can't believe I'm saying this because years ago I was the last one to even contemplate this. It felt so I felt so exposed. But I think the apps are amazing. You just have to like know how to play them. I think it's like anything else. I think it's like being in a bar, and some people have game in a bar and some people don't. And some people have game on the apps and some people don't.

And I think you have I think I think I have gained. But the one thing that I cannot surmount or haven't been able to, is age. And I will say I've gone out with a few men who say, you know, you're just too independent, You're too active for me.

You're not gonna dumb it down, I'm out of here, of course. No, I'm not talking about that.

You don't have a game in who you are game and how to play the apps too. I think there's a there's a necessary strategy in how to play the apps as a game. So I don't think everybody has that or the patience you get like full and grossed out, like you're like swiping and you know what I mean.

So you remember I saw I'm originally from the Northeast. I'm from outside of Boston, and I don't have that personality that says, you know, bless your little heart. I'm pretty direct and straightforward and that doesn't necessarily play so well in Texas.

But that's where you are now, Texas.

I live in Austin.

Yeah, okay, great, all right, well very interesting.

I usually don't talk that much before rewives, but I just was interested in you.

So thank you. Uh you're beautiful and.

Less the journey take you where it's going to go, But I think it's I just think it's interesting.

Okay.

So have you are you a Housewives fan to begin with or is this like a new foray into it.

It has been a new foray into it for me and I have to tell you, I struggle a little bit because the episodes I've watched from previous years are previous seasons. The brunettes I can keep straight, but the blondes all kind of look the same to me.

Okay, well that's funny, and well, yeah, I could see that. I could see that in certain ways with some of these girls. Well, we're going to get into it. I'm glad you have a fresh perspective. This is Beverly Hills. It's currently the most popular and most successful of the franchise. I think the one of the characters in Beverly Hills is the b roll and showing the wealth, or you know, at least the.

Exhibited wealth.

I'm saying, not everybody has what they say that have, but they're showing whatever it is. And this is an episode that was season seven before everybody popped off in certain ways. And I was writing this down because in certain scenes, certain women here hadn't started their air mes era, hadn't started like their real like wealth showoff era and their glam era. So we'll get into that. But all right,

So that's the There.

Always needs to be on the Housewives, some sort of foundation for why a trip is happening, even though production is paying for the trip and the hotel and all that stuff, or getting in integration.

That's that's that part.

So I didn't see the dinner, but Lisa rinna uh I guess had been accused of doing xanax or taking xanax cocktails smoothies, and she then point blank says to Dori, were people doing cocaine at your house? Because everyone left the table and went to the bathroom. So what do you think of this exchange?

Well, I have to say, when I heard that, it sort of came out of in my mind, came out of nowhere, right. But I thought that Derek's answer was I loved it. Well, I certainly wasn't, which just me opened up a whole can of worms. You know, it's not always what you say, but sometimes what you don't say or how you say it.

So, so you thought something did go she did something did go down? It is it is something I can't imagine Lisa Rinna saying if there wasn't any foundation, she is a resident shit sir. That's no longer on the show, but it still did when you looked at the thing from the table, where did everybody go?

And by the way, people are.

Stupid enough to do cocaine while shooting a housewife show the activation and you would know this and the there's an activation and like a nervous system and adrenaline of shooting reality TV that like people get excited about everything. So I could see that actually happening. I don't remember the scene or anything, but I could see that actually happening, and you're right.

Her answer was good, Yeah, I.

Mean so, so you know, I I think that I think you're right. In that moment, they're sort of forgetting that. I love I love the the you know, the face covering the head, and they're all sort of looking that. The dramatics were just great.

Right because they all probably knew about this ahead of time. But everyone has everyone half the cast as an actress. So that's the other thing. So four out of six women there are actresses, so it's like, oh, you know, it could be it's somebody asks.

You if they if they want to be actresses. It's questionable to me, why would you? Why would you? I can think of a lot of conversations I might have with a group of women, some women I like better than others. But would you really want to have that conversation about cocaine in a bathroom if you were trying, if you weren't aspiring anything.

Well, that's a great question. Here's the thing about the housewives.

So one time Jill Zarren did a deal with Kodak, and Ramona on camera said to her, why would you do a deal with Kodak? It's so archaic, which like ruined the relationship. And once it's out there, the producers love that anything bad the producers love, and so it's airing. So there's always going to be a risk of reputational risk. You could have a party for your amazing product, but if someone else says something shitty about it, which invariably happened.

It's happened on Atlanta.

If someone has their hair extensions, or someone has a fitness video or some so someone's going to say something crappy about your brand no matter what, and there's always going to be there's always going to.

Be a risk. And that's the thing about being on the Housewives.

People ruin their careers and no matter what, no matter whether it's Kyle, Eileen or Lisa, the same opportunities in acting don't come up or you have to work extra hard to get them because you've now gone onto a different type of reality TV and you're not taken as seriously as an actress.

So you have to lean into this spot.

And I think that, I mean, this show has been on you would know how many seasons, so clearly, clearly whatever is going on, the machinations, the families, the issues, the personal issues. If people love it it's entertaining.

Well that's the price.

The price is you're going to come in and someone's going to say you do cocaine, And that's what you have to give up to get paid and be relevant

I mean, I can't argue with what you're saying. I guess, but I don't think necessarily women who do that show think of it as a pejorative situation to be and they know they've been on the show many seasons, they make money from it, they have fun, they want to do it. No one's forcing them to do it.

I agree.

And it's funny because I've had this reality reckoning that I brought up because of people who have left the show, and it's ruined their lives. Not really the people who have stayed on. It's more people who have left or have been fired or cast aside It's like many other things. Some people are crushing it and other people are really getting crushed and walking into it. You may not know

Yeah, right, well, and that, you know, for for me, for my foray into reality TV obviously has been The Golden Bachelor, and that's a very different situation because our women were very supportive of each other. Our show was about finding love and friendship and it really was about that. So so this has seems to have a different premise, yes, but there seems to be buy into it and certainly a great amount of financial remuneration for these women and

Yeah?

Yeah, nothing, We're just commenting on the episode.

I just want their clothes and their shoes and their jewelry, and I want someone else to buy them for me.

Right.

Well. The thing is that at this era it hadn't popped off yet. So Erica, the one who went to be on Young and the Restless, she came in and she changed the fashion and closing jewelry narrative on the show because she came in and she was in costume every scene, like she has a different hair, doing a different outfit, a different necklace, and she has a stylist crew. And she ended up getting into trouble because her husband was stealing money and they kind of she got caught

And I can only say that is probably not well be hanging my hat next week, because I would just I'll be the one sweeping the floors and doing the dishes in the kitchen. I mean, I just I couldn't even imagine trying to keep up with that.

I could, by the way, I couldn't either. It would not be enjoyable for me.

I don't.

It's not real either, That's the thing. It's not real. It's costume. But they've created this world where this particular show is more about the theatrics, and that's what the Housewise has evolved to be about in twenty twenty four. It's more of a stage performance than like a gritty, real performance.

Okay, but let me ask you, do you think I think a lot. Again, my first foray into this was Golden Matcher. But I think there is such a place for reality TV. I think a lot of my friends, my daughter watches a lot of reality TV, and they all say the same thing, that it's entertaining, it's fun. They like you know, they like feeling and being a part of someone's exciting quote unquote life. Right, you know what's wrong with that? I don't really have a problem with that.

No, I don't really have a problem with it either. In less people are unless people are being exploited, and that's what I was saying before, But that's a separate, complete, separate topic.

Everyone here wants.

To be here, and at this point in twenty twenty four, yes, after all that's been discussed said, people are there because they sign up for it.

I agree with you.

You sign up for it, and that's what it is. There's been enough knowledge about the fact that it could go sideways or you could do really well, and that's a risk you take. So whenever people ask me if they should do it, I really don't even answer, because it's really up to them. They've seen what it could be or what it can't be? The woman Eden, Yeah, she's the one who buys eric a ring. I didn't

So that is so funny you say that because when I watched the episode, and you know, they at the beginning they show the women who they are, their names, and then this woman eating shows up buying a ring for her friend, and I'm like, wait, did I miss something here? Because I don't know who she is.

I still don't either, so yeah, don't worry.

That's you know, okay, good, I feel little. It gives me hope that I can pop it into an into an episode and wait, what's she doing?

I have no idea, no idea where she came from, and I don't know how long she was on.

I assume one season.

Yeah. The part that fascinated me was p K Dorri's husband seemed so invested in talking about Lisa, you know, just talking.

About love you exactly. We're going there, We're going there.

Do you think it was ghost to ask about the price for the ring? Even within the constructs of a television show, or it gave context.

It gave context like.

I mean, I think to me, I I didn't even go there where I was laughing. I picked up right away that she was giving the foreign exchange. So it was not eleven thousand whatever it was yen or wherever. So, but to me it was comical that, oh, it was only one hundred and seventy dollars, never mind buy me something more expensive. I mean, because she did not pick up on it right away that it was not US dollars.

Well, if it was seventeen thousand, she was gonna have to be this girl's best friend.

I mean, I can't be bought. Are you really good at if someone buys me a seventeen thousand dollars ring, I'm going to ask, have you lost your mind? I mean, that's just not He's not what friendship is.

I know.

It seems like that girl, because she doesn't have isn't speaking a lot and probably can't find her way to get in like the double Dutch game and jump in she was buying to like, you know, I get it. I see that it was only one hundred and seventy dollars. But these women, many of these women can be bought, so it's expensive to be Erica. And if it was seventeen thousand, Eric, I would have just had to, you know,

Oh?

My god, I thought it was so sweet and sad and it broke my heart.

It did. My family's always had dogs. My daughter rescued a dog. I rescue two kittens at five weeks old from the pound. We're big rescue family. Hair. So yeah, that's hard to watch seeing that. I mean, I love that there is that message coming through. That's a good message to come through that show. So yeah, I thought that was great.

Yeah, it's a great message to come through that show. I totally agree. And Lisa vander Pump, who is you know, running that dog charity, She's the one on the show that's the most It's funny that I think the audience either never totally caught onto it or really caught onto it. It doesn't care because she's like the is it Crystal Carrington.

Yeah, although maybe, but I also think she's she seems to be somewhat empathetic to to at certain times in the show. I can't pull one up right now in my head. But but the thing that stood out to me about her, I want to go to one of her parties. I want that guy to come and decorate my house. I mean, or can I be one of her ponies? I know, I want the glitter on my nails, Come on.

I mean, that's why she was a big loss on the Housewives, Like they lost her and some housewives. I mean, she was a good housewife to begin with, but then also losing the character that like has the trappings, you know what I mean?

And yeah I do, But I just something just struck me when you said she's a good housewife, the irony of saying that, because traditionally, when you see someone's a good housewife in my generation, you know, they keep a clean house, they take care of the kids, they do the long Being a good housewife in this series has nothing to do with any of those things.

Nothing.

It has to do with entertaining and like I said, being strategy and having a good backdrop, which she has, and she's got some good lines.

But she's like, she's like a nice villain. I can't explain it.

She's like a villain because you know, she's always like plotting something, but it's landing.

That's why she's a good villain. It's landing.

It's landing and it's working. And and you know, to your point, if you if you're smart enough to be on that show, you better be smart enough to figure out your next steps.

Yeah, she was always playing the game, and other people are pretending they're not playing the game and like it's real when it isn't real. So at least she's like fully coming out with it, but some people are. I mean, people would say I was. I was certainly real if nothing else.

Yeah, well my middle name is real. So I mean they would get what they paid for with me, I can assure.

You, yes, So Erica and Eileen. I liked that acting scene. I thought Erica was pretty good. I thought she was all right.

I think you know, I think they I thought it was very sad that they ruined that pretty jacket to the coffee. But you know, that's just the.

Price of that's the price, and it was buy a cheap o jacket, not a couture jacket, but.

P K.

So it's really interesting because he's like a housewife. Simon years ago was on our show, was Alex's husband. He was like in the drama. He was at women's events and he was in the drama and you were picking up you earlier were picking up that. It's like almost like they've given him the script ahead of time for the scene, and he knows the beats to hit. So he's gonna have to like take a few swipes at certain housewives. But you know, and there's also something admirable.

Well you know, wait, can we just back up for a second. How many times I was trying to think, did my husband ever pick up the phone and call me in the house and say, honey, come down and have a drink with me. Oh right, let's start with that. Yeah, And then you know he stands across he's serving her. I just that whole scene was incredible. But I think that again, in my life, my husband would no more have wanted to be involved in that. So I was fascinated that he It seemed like they are a cocktail

Word, by the way, it would never happen in my world. I would never I've never dated a man who would be interested in going deep on something like that, and like you said, so invested in a very nice, politically correct, diplomatic way.

But it's it's a little.

And I think it's gone on throughout the season because certain husbands want, like may want to be main character energy and like some husbands dissolve in the background, and some jump right in front of that camera and love it. Like there's a guy on Jersey Melissa Gorgo's husband. He jumps right in front and loves to be the star. Simon on our show used to some husbands really like the light. You could tell the p K likes the light, wants to be part of it, and the producers like

A vacuum in a vacuum, Yes, uh, because he's just there for that scene and and obviously it develops and there's and there's more going on. It was the same thing with Mauricio with when she's cutting the you know, with the pinking chairs, cutting the dress off, and he's kind of looking at the word on. We came to mind, like completely bored.

Right right, Like he gives a shit about a lace's bottom dress exactly, and he's saying that's fair too.

Again I could again, I just went back thinking, you know, my husband, would you know, take you know, get the thing on. We got fifteen minutes, let's go. It would not be lounging in a chair talking about the issues around one leg longer than the other address. I found that humorous for myself.

Yeah, well that's the you listen, you're not watching to watch everybody just like you.

You know, if I.

Have had Paul like carry my beach toe because it is a little heavy because it's carrying both of us stuff like he doesn't want to be wearing like a Chanell beach tote.

Isn't like the way and no one's even seeing it.

It's just like he would not be until like doing a gaggle of gossip on the housewives either.

But let me say Bethany isn't part of this show again. The people I know who are really invested in the show, they love the labels and the looking at the homes and all the quote unquote finery. That's part of what makes this show so successful, I think.

No, that's that it's performative, and people are cast now more than ever for how wealthy they look to be. There could be an amazing character, and there have been, but their apartments aren't great and the producers are kind of telling them they have to improve their their whereabouts. And when I started, we didn't even have hair and makeup.

It supposed to be a docuseries.

One hundred percent.

That's what it's pitched as initially a docuseries, So that's what that's We've never discussed this before, which is interesting. Housewives was intended and sold in rooms to be a docuseries. That's that's what the format is for Housewives, and a lot of these shows they don't really use that terminology that much, presumably because it doesn't feel docu at all anymore.

So why do you think the evolution has brought it to where it is today?

Then because the success of it in watching people in this fish bowl made other people watch how it's done, how the sausage gets made. So you watch Teresa flip a table, you're worried you're going to go on the show and what are you going.

To do to top that?

Or you saw Kyle and her arimez bag, or you saw Erica in her closet. So you're going to come on the show as a new person fifteen years later and you're going to show your stylist and your house and you're going to probably not even be able to afford that house, but you're on the show, so you think you have to show all of that. So it's like the bar keeps getting raised. When we were on it was a docu series about us, but then the next season someone saw what we did and they had the.

Knowledge of the show.

They watched it. We'd never watched it. It never existed, So so you're giving me.

A great idea. They should now just throw in occasionally someone who was a really normal like me.

They can't, It doesn't They've tried. It's not normal. But they tried to have Denise richards On and she did do well. But the problem was she was showing up on a vacation on a balcony wearing gene shorts, which is what a normal human being would wear. They were wearing ball gowns. She looks like shit compared to them. The audience is then pressuring her. She was a bond girl.

Okay. So that's that just underscores what I'm saying that the escapism, the the uh, the boy orism, if you will, I imagine yourself in that life is what is popular and what people love and that's that's.

Yeah, it's changed, it's evolved, and many many people yes agree with that. The ratings are not what they used to be, partially because you know, how much too much of a good thing is too much, Partially because of the whole landscape of entertainment has changed. And also many people are turned off by it. They don't want you know, they don't believe it's real. You know, the trips are

I liked to seeing her in that role.

I think it was only one season, but I liked seeing her as a producer. And there was some drama about it because it was a show that was about her family and it kind of created a rift between her and her sister Kathy Hilton, and I was sort of kind of I don't know if I was glad that it didn't continue or not glad, but it caused a problem in her family.

It was like a sore spot.

So when that dissolved, it created a way for them to get back together.

And I will say when I watched that scene, it sort of just that just seemed inserted into the show as well. That the production scene kind of there wasn't any context for someone who hadn't balled it all the way along.

That's fair.

It looked like a commercial for because that's a situation where a housewife has really urged production to include something that they're doing into the show, likely in exchange for something else. I'll do this over here, but you have to put that on. That happens a lot like Lisa had to lobby to get the dog thing as the trip up because five other people are lobbying for their thing to be the trip or the finale, or the scene or the dinner. So that's another thing that used

So when you did your show, when you did the New York was it, it sounds like it's just completely different from when you did it.

It's completely different, And to be honest, I am largely responsible for I am entirely responsible for starting the model of monetization of products through reality television. Even the Kardashians followed me because we had the same agent, and agent then followed me by inserting their Sears deal into E So because I started the whole entire practice of inserting a brand into reality television. I started that with my

So that's.

Good because why else would they be on the show and expose their lives? Bad because the audience wants it to feel real, not like every scene is a commercial.

Yeah, but I hear that, But I still, I mean, I don't see the thing necessarily wrong with that. It's just smart. You're smart marketing your you know it's smart, and I don't. I don't think it really necessarily takes away from the entertainment of the show. I think that is the name of the game in reality TV. It's it's entertainment. It's that it always has a bigger reason,

Oh yeah, that you have to have a thread and a foundation. But then you're entertaining exactly, but that was a great threat, so.

You're so on the Housewives. I don't. I think it's it's just smart. It's it's smart business figuring out how you want to market whatever your brand is, whatever your thing is, while you're entertaining people.

And it's now become you need all this content. You have all these different shows and you need this content. And it's become a circular reference because women go on the show who are not famous, and then they're shooting scenes with photo shoots because of the fame that the

Total sense. But I think I think my experience has told me people are very willing to suspend judgment and suspend reality if you will, or a reality show, and.

That could not be now they break the fourth wall, Yes, one hundred percent. That's all evolved, and that's interesting. I think it's always been interesting. Like they'll show a camera guy in a fight with someone or something. They never used to show things like that. Now they'll show, you know, a girl yelling out production when she wants to see him to stop.

That's new and evolving.

Erica I recognize on the show making a meal out of the show early, like she came in and was like she had this pop career that she was sort of really going to start, and then she's like, I'm going to be on Young and the Restless, and she later did I think like a shoe deal and you know Chicago as I think it's roxy Like I really appreciate that she came in and was like I'm going to devour the show and I'm putting on all the hair and makeup and doing it like she really devoured

And strong, a strong woman who's who has a plan, and she executed it.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, yes exactly. I mean she just came in.

She was like I'm saying yes to everything, whatever it is, and she does I don't know overall, I don't know what she's doing now, but it just feels like she just came in and was like I'm making a meal out of the show, no matter what, I'm taking everything.

Yeah, I mean she she definitely had a strong personality. I saw myself and her a little bit just in the know strength of personality. But I again, I have nothing but admiration for women who can who can look scan the scan the landscape and said this is what I'm going to do and this is how it's going to work for me, Yeah, the' wrong with that?

And I think that exactly.

I think that the Kyle situation is really interesting because that was years ago. This is the first time we see her allude to the she and again because of the show. You know, Mauricio's business was much more successful because of the show. He was a successful realtor, but this this popped him off. So they both popped off. This show benefited her career his career, and his career benefits her because you know, they're fifty to fifty down the middle of been married for one hundred years.

But it was the first time you.

Hear her say that, like, I'm really busy and he's really busy, and so we have to make the time and he came to visit her, and I did not think of it at the time, but knowing what I know now, you're thinking of it's going to be a struggle, both of them having the careers and how are they going to really connect and stay together.

And in life and in their marriage.

There's been a division now they both, you know, and it's kind of her turn. And this was a foreshadowing that I wasn't expecting this early on.

But again, yeah, I don't you know. I know about as much as what you just said that they're you know, the marriage are separated. But I think people that part is real for people. You know, how many women are successful women successful men. That speaks I think speaks to women who are going through that they can they feel validated. They feel like she may be in the limelight, but they're living the same kind of uh issues and the same and I think people like that. People like that.

I feel that no, yeah it's been or it's been all his heart turnout its supposed to be mine or yeah, I agree, I agree.

But the day, at the end of the day, you know, he's been very successful. She has and that's the price you pay.

Right Yeah? No, yeah, well no, And they live in Beverly Beverly Hills, issu. You know what I'm saying.

They live in that world of fame and now they're on reality television and he just did Dancing with the Stars, and you know, there is a price. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it with another person that was public. It would annoy it would annoy me. Like I you met, you were with someone who wasn't part of that. But like she came in and really they just lived in

But it's a price, and you see it's been paid.

But you know what, maybe I'm maybe I told you I live in the real world. Maybe I think it's the price people pay in marriages when they when they consciously uncouple, or when they when it's just hell and brimstone and fire. I mean, that's just those are relationships, and that's real life. And this has played out obviously more publicly, but I just think that is we talk about reality shows not being real, but that's real life.

And no, no, no, that's that's real life. And also they could have easily been out of the line light and broken up after twenty seven years in marriage.

Doesn't mean.

And also they were on the same page in doing this journey, like making this money for this business together in a public way. If you're not on the same page or someone else, that would be hard to if you had somebody who did not want the linlight, you wanted it. You wanted to go blow your business up on television. So they were on the same page, and

It's an accomplishment.

Sure.

Yeah, so that was the show. That was the Beverly Hills Housewives. You your lost your virginity.

I just really wanted to go to that party. I really wanted and the gold Foil hair. We didn't even talk about the gold Foyle hair.

I wasn't a big fan of it, but I like the commitment to it.

I you took the words around. I thought I couldn't have done it. But she wore it well. She committed to it for sure.

She's the resident fashionista and she really loves it, and she takes the time, and you know, she really makes an effort. Like it's each It's again something that you every time you talk. It's something that used to not happen. It used to not be. It used to be the people just like it was real, so that you're just doing wearing whatever you normally would wear, and you know,

It felt for the show.

And to your point, it's a different show now, and that's part of the performative theatrics. That wasn't the show that I signed up to do. I signed up for the docu series. I didn't sign up for the circus, So it's just a different thing.

Yeah, I get that. One thing you've clarified for me now, I know why all these women are, you know, size zero is they don't have time, they don't have time to eat.

They're too busy end ozempic.

Oh no, really, yeah, I believe you. Yeah, you know, I hope it's I hope we don't find out down the road that there's some uh pathological problem to using ozembic if you don't really need it. That would not be that would not be.

Uh looking good and looking riches what matters on the Housewives. And that mission has been accomplished.

Okay, Well, you know I'm I have something to work towards.

Now, absolutely something to aspire.

So all right, Well, it was so nice to meet you and talk to you and get to know you.

So nice to meet you. You know, you can send all those single men my way, okay, as well as long as they're not used to guys.

All right, And anybody listening, if you know anybody, uh that would be right.

Please message us at the show. We'll pass it along. Awesome to meet you.

And uh someday I want to go shopping with you.

Perfect and one of the women on who's listening to the show, their father or husband's friend or somebody will be interested in you.

So let's see what happens.

Okay, Well, your lip to their ears.

And right around the block is Valentine's day, so in the name of love, let's see if we've got any ideas.

Folks, Thank you so much, thank you, Good day you too.