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the last leg. I appreciate you doing this and doing the homework, because that's the pain in the ass. So I appreciate you watching a show. You forget that. I watched the show, and I watched, like I watched all the way up till maybe season eleven or twelve, so it's not like a month familiar. What's what was going on there? I'm like, oh, yes, I remember the leg on the table and yeah, okay, well you remember. But to me going back and watching these shows, it's a

little dated. People definitely look different. We all have aged and fashion has aged, and um, I do see it differently, And it's funny because I see people differently. I find characters sympathetic that I didn't when I was there because when I yes, well i'll tell you why. Because so this era of this show, um, it's when Aviva's pulls her leg out. This particular era, this is when I left for the second time. I left, and then you

were on season seven. Yeah, you're better than I. Okay, So this is when I left for the first time, and there were three seasons, and this is when they brought in Kristen, Carol and Heather. And not that I'm saying it's because of those three girls or the combination or me being gone or whatever, but the ratings had gone from like three point one million viewers down to

one point six during this era. And it's funny because I back then, when watching I didn't think it was that good, Like I didn't think it was as good as it had been before. But watching it last night, I found it entirely entertaining. And I didn't watch all the shows when I was gone, not because I was bitter or anything. I left, it's because I never really watched when I was on. I only watched my episode to see if I got in trouble or not, and

then that was it. So people when I was on the show as a business person and wanting it to be successful, that I would not think we're great housewives. I still think are great people. So like back when Alex, you know, back in my Alex genre on the Scary Island Trip, I now watched that and found her very sympathetic and sensible and reasonable, but I didn't think she was a great housewife because she wasn't polarizing or didn't

speak up enough. And I found that about Kristen in this episode, and she was speaking up in this episode. I found her to be pretty and sweet and nice and relatable. Um, But when I was there, I remember not thinking that she was the best housewife because you're trying to like move traffic and move story, and not everyone is a good housewife, but they might be a good person. So I find that I think, I think the calmer and sort of more settled of the person

you are, the less interesting you become. Because yeah, I mean this shows these shows thrive on the tension, right, So tension has to be built some way, somebody's got to be putting it out. And and also energy, there's a certain energy, like I have to say, I mean, you You're like a little fire spark every time you're

on screen. There's I mean, you know obviously, because you've done very well for yourself since um, and it's your energy, it's your enthusiasm, it's your curiosity, and it's just and you don't have to be mean to get tension started. You're just like this little barl of fire that keeps setting things a flame. Exactly. That's exactly what it's like. I little fires everywhere and moving traffic and there's a lot going on, and producers on the show have said,

I think like a producer. So I'm on the show dealing with what's happening, but in my mind, I'm I'm not. There's never been any acting or anything, but I'm aware that we're not there to just talk about our cuticles like we're there to move story. And UM, it wasn't very good for me because I'm good for it, and I found that in different career choices producing events I was amazing at because I never missed a goddamn detail and I was obsessive, But it wasn't that good for me.

So I'm good for reality TV because I can light it up, move it around, close the tabs and do it. But it might not be good for me, but for someone like a Jacqueline the Rita on Jersey or Kristen, it could be good for them because it could light them up a little. They may, you know, I feel like they feel or can be mundane, but they they

light it up. So I think it's interesting. And you must have found in different parts of your career and different jobs that some things are good for you or take you out of your comfort zone and some maybe maybe the car is moving too fast. Yeah, that's a very profound question that I wasn't ready for. Yeah, you're you're you're. I'm sure you're right. But I think in my career, you know, given that I had, I have

been doing it since I was fifteen. It's it's, you know, I always just kind of it, like the whole thing becomes a muscle memory to me when it comes to modeling, and then when it comes to you know, more like public speaking or you know, my my my books, my writing and stuff that's outside my zone of comfort. Um, but I always found I guess I kind of rely on just being honest and being me and hope it carries,

you know, and it doesn't always. I mean sometimes, you know, sometimes it might be a little abrasive and sometimes um and sometimes it might even be dull. But yes, but you being a model, I'm picturing you the way you're describing it. You can walk in there. You know exactly what to do, how to do it, give them what they want, the eyes, the look, the walk, the thing right, whatever it is if you have exactly but it's not

always good, that's exactly me. But with you, I'm sure that while you're great at it, modeling may sometimes feel toxic or not not good for you, or you don't feel good about yourself all the time in that environment. Oh no, you're absolutely right about that. In fact, I never feel worse about myself than after I spent day modeling. I never feel so old, I never feel so ugly, I never feel so inadequate as after a day of modeling. And that's even if it's going really well and the

pictures look good interesting, So that's the point. That's exactly the point. So I could walk in right now, and I do sometimes miss it, because I'm sure you miss looking amazing, the closer there, the attention that you walk in like or whatever whatever it is the picture looks great,

you're talking to people. Whatever the thing is, I you know, would like to walk right now, not now, but tonight, get dressed up for no reason because I never get dressed up, but like, put on makeup, get dressed up to go to some event, walk in, set the place on fire, make people laugh, then do an interview about it and walk out like I'm great at that. But you're right. All the things that comes within the press and the scrutiny and the things that come with make

you feel gross sometimes. So that's very who would have thought when Elizabeth Moss was on here, we found parallels between reality TV and acting, and right now I'm finding a parallel between me and reality TV and you and modeling. So that kind of stuff makes me happy. Well done, you just connected the interesting. I love it. Hey, I'm Lance Bass, host of the new I Heart podcast Frosted

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bye bye bye. Listen to Frosted Tips with a Lance Bass on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay, so let's get into this episode. So, uh we start off and I have this is a little stupid notepad from when I was watching last night because my daughter was next to me. It was dark and I was scribbling. And then I have like a formal paper that they did for me. But I'm sure I can remember most things that happened remind me if I don't, so, um, we start off

and we have Kristen and Josh. I know Josh from off the show, and I met Kristen on the show and my friend who was best friends with Josh, and you told me that when Kristine was on the show, she was getting hair and makeup every day and really really lit about the outfits, and like that became the era when people started caring about what they looked like more. If you look before this era, it was really us

just sitting in sweaters like I am right now? Are you like you are right now, just being on a reality show because it was reality right, And did you do your own makeup and did your own makeup? Yeah? I mean they weren't paying for you to do your makeup, maybe for interviews. I don't know when that started, but in the beginning, they weren't even paying for interviews. And you would choose yourself if you would get your makeup done for a big event. But you know, this is

the era when really it was Kristen, Heather, Carol. They would be doing wardrobe changes and they would be getting their makeup done in the Berkshires, and it seemed annoying because having been there in the beginning, it felt like now we're putting on a show, and I was just not an HD yet. It was like I was still dial up Internet because on Beverly Hills they were wearing Logo's head to toe and having glam squads come with them everywhere. So this was this was the era when

the show. The show's turned into like we're going to spend as much, if not more time thinking about what we look like than the content of what we're doing. So I found that to be very interesting. And Kristen is one of those people that really always looked perfect. Yeah,

and then you know what I mean. I I understand that on her part because when you are a model and when you are perceived as somebody that's supposed to be attractive, it's such a you know, it's like the expectations of you are such that it's really hard to, um, just not be pretty, because it's like it's like you expect to set the room on fire. Right, she's pretty interesting. Good for you for telling me. And fashionable you're right,

because and fashionable you're right that that's you're right. I did did someone to just talk to that part of her persona. This is what she's bringing to the table like you're bringing your fire, sparky personality, and Heather is bringing her you know, her her personality and her groundedness, and Carol is bringing you know, her literary sense and like, you know, the cool, smart New Yorker um st Christine

hasn't ring the pretty that's so funny, you're right. So I never cared about if I was made up because I thought it doesn't matter, Like if I look pretty in one scene, they're gonna know that's how I look pretty if I look like shit in the other. But you're right, Carol had to bring always the ankey, the cool, the style. To her credit, Heather had to be like I'm cool and hip because I worked with Diddy and I designed clothes and I'm you know, and Kristen was

bringing the pretty and the fashion. You're right. I wish someone told me that then, So you should have been on the y I found. Um So, Josh had that business e boost. I don't know if that still exists today. But this was also the era, and it was kind of after my Skinny Girl era. Um when people started really not so casually and naturally pushing products into the show.

And I take responsibility I'm literally the one that started it, um, but it was going on in my life, and I found a way to make it truthful and just weave it in versus like e boast in a hat behind me and above the refrigerator and now you know, with Kyle and the agency and it's on every piece of clothing. I wonder. I know that the audience doesn't really love that, but this is also where that started. This is the era where people were jamming products in as a result

of my Skinny Girl deal. So I found that interesting. And I don't know if he was the best actor in doing that, Like it's forced? What do you think? Okay, so it's like, well, what just stopped me about this episode was yes, I A, I agree, I think it felt forced, But also, you know, I just couldn't get that.

You know, well, you know, we're looking for a five year old with energy, you know, she has to have energy, and there is his beautiful model life going well, I have energy and I'm a model, Um, what about me? And it seemed a little bit set up by the way authentic and I think we can feel that as viewers, and it's not it's not as attractive, but it was interesting that the way, that's the way they decided to

pull it in. You know, it's not that, oh, I'm looking for, you know, a woman, and it's like that he had to be with a younger versus older, you know, you know that's like my things. I was like by the whole thing. Well, it's funny that you say that, because you're right, they picked a good topic to do a scripted semi scripted scene. But what is not ever forgotten and can't be ignored is how smart this audience is.

Every audience is just so savvy and smart. Now we smell the bullshit, and that might be why the ratings had gone down. That was an obviously produced scene and the problem with many cast members let the producers drive what goes on. And I remember one time I had a producer want me to put a big dress on my bed and do like the Carrie Bradshaw moment. And

I always bring it up. And this producer is probably so frustrated because they've heard it so many times because it was them, But I always bring it up because they said it to me, and that type of stuff would make me angry. I'm not even kidding, like I would be angry when they'd say that, how don't we just do real like I always did real? And I think if you go back one time I didn't do real, which was peeing on the stick and bathroom. That's the

only time in all reality history I fought back. They needed to get the moment that said I was pregnant. I didn't like it. I redid that I had done it in my real life. I have always done real. So you can see what the boost thing that the whole thing from. Oh, well, Kristen, that would be a lovely idea, but we don't normally work together her And then he's like asking about wardrobe on a fashion shoot.

It was it was not well executed. Well Josh is also not his name was Josh right, yes, um, he was also not a terrific actor exactly exactly, so he wasn't carrying it off really yes, yeah, so yeah, you could kind of smell the bullet on that one. But I I still found it fascinating that that's what they decided to bicker about, like that was the thing that they that was going to be. You know, it's kind of a small inkling of of things to come, I feel,

you know, as far as like the whole ageism thing. Well, I think you know that's producers needing to find story. You're shooting for four months and they have to find story, which is why years later we never I never even knew this term, but years later people would say, she doesn't have a storyline. They're looking for a storyline, which is why there are so many fake businesses on the Housewives.

It's a need for a storyline. We have not this that business was a real business, but people will start new businesses to be able to say at the beginning of the season to the producers when they sit down, when the producers say, what do you have going on? Well, I thought about doing this or that, because you need to fill a lot of content. And if you don't have your kids on the show, like a Sonja, if you don't have you're not in a relationship, what are

you filling it with? Like you can't just you know, do charity events every day, and you can't sit at restaurants every day. It's boring. So it's that a lot of that stuff is forced story, like her trying to make an analogy between her sexuality and the photo shooting, Like now Josh is going to see her differently because of the way. I mean, it's just a reach so that those are like it and it felt like your reach. Yeah,

you're absolutely right, Like we the audience are smarter. We can see the inauthenticity, we can smell the bullshit and it does um but sometimes sometimes it actually kind of works for the show because you know it's bullshit and then you and then there's like you know, like you're trying to figure out like who it was set up by. Well as a viewer, you mean, yes, right, well that was definitely a combination of the producers and what the talent had going on and wanted to push the product.

And you make deals. You'll be like, Okay, I'll talk about my sexuality with you guys, because they'll be like, why don't we talk about your problems in your marriage? Nobody wants to do that, and you'll be like, all right, well then we're gonna have to put my e boost in. Like there are these little micro deals that happened that are weird, not not formal. They're just like discussions like to get you to go somewhere. Okay, well then we're gonna go to my friends restaurant. Or things like that.

You know. But what I would have done is if I were a cast member and I were somehow around that, I would have said, that felt a little set up, but make it like the people had set up, not you're not gonna bring in break the fourth wall and bringing the producers. But also in modern day they do break the fourth wall and bringing producers, so there are a lot more there's a lot more license now that

you need to take because everything's been done. So UM, I did think it was courageous and when the show can be positive, when you can have a moment of talking about Heather's son and going through that type of issue and Carol saying you go to many doctors and you end up going with who you trust, I thought that that was like a valuable, worthwhile small story on the show. Yeah, that was also kind of a kernel of real vulnerability. And I think, you know, obviously like

I attached myself to those moments. I mean, for me, the Housewives, UM and I really just kind of watched The New York Housewives because it's the you know, one that I relate to. Um, But to me, it really is kind of a show about female emotionality, female friendships because this is what we do, This is who we are, Like we are women, We care deeply about our friends, our friendships, and it's sort of seeing it in this like little accelerated microcosm of you know, tensions and um,

all the superimposed stuff. But it makes you understand how we react. It's like, I feel like I benefited so much from watching The Housewives in like knowing what how to act as a friend and what was cool what was less cool because I could see the last camera. No, that's true, and as a person on it, you definitely have learned a lot about yourself and what you're perceived as and things that you've done, Like someone like Ramona has probably learned a lot about what to and not

to do UM. And yes, I have said that the show can be toxic and sometimes it doesn't always represent um highlighting the best of women, and it kind of thrives on women fighting. But to your point, even if you're not friends with these women, and a lot of these women aren't really friends, they're only friends while they're there, that does occur and work. You were more friendly with certain models, I'm sure when you were in that world.

Because you're doing the same thing. You're having the same conversations, you're having the same problems, and you're bossiping about the same stuff. So like, and also you have new friends you've made being a mom that then you're not friends with later. Like women have moments for you in time, you know, drop off, drop off, and pick up sports moms, and then you don't speak to them or your husband's friends.

So I guess now, in retrospect, what's funny is people thought I was going to come on here and just trash The Housewives. I actually, in retrospect watching it, have found more positives than I have negatives, you know, in people, because I wasn't so in the soup, right, And I have to say, I mean, I know, and I know, like you know, it's kind of seen as a you know, um, yeah, it seems it's trashy, but I have benefited immensely from

watching The Housewives. And Cohen is going to send you an edible arrangement immediately, I'm going to hold that's puld that quote. Guys, pull that quote and we're sending it to Andy on a plaque. But well, you know, and and it's kind of like in writing, right, So I think of myself, primarily as a writer. Now, Um, and some of the biggest and best lessons I've learned in

writing was to read other people's poor writing. Because when you read great writing, great books, which I do all the time, it's just sort of, you know, hard for the course. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is another great book. This is another great book, and you can get inspired or you can get a little deflated because you think I'll never be this great. But when you read a bad writer and you can spot why it's bad. This word shouldn't be used here, why like

the phrase doesn't work this way. This is where you go. I have to remember this, and it's actually incredibly beneficial for my own writing. And so watching the Housewives was seeing people that weren't behaving well, and when they weren't behaving will That's where I learned my biggest lessons because and sometimes I could see myself in it, I go, oh, done that, I've played the victim or I wanted attention. Okay, so it's a self reflection. That's amazing. Um, well, this

is gonna be interesting for you. So the Aviva story, I cast Aviva, I put her, I'm the one who yes, yes, I'm sorry. I apologize, and I didn't know her. I don't know. She was kind of amazing in that way that I feel like I learned so much from her. I mean, I think she right. I never didn't really watch that much, but in meeting her personally and then her being cast professionally, I'm gonna tell you exactly what happened. So I don't know. Whenever someone asks me to do something,

I go over the top. And I don't need to go that far in the project. So if you're like, oh, I need a good restaurant in Veil, I'll like, get so down that rabbit hole. I'll be sending you like Korean barbecue and Ethie Open like okay, stat like it's too I just need a couple of restaurants. But I don't like to do anything halfway. So when they used to ask us about casting, whether I was on or off the show, I would go down a rabbit hole and think about who would be good. And it got

me into all kinds of problems. And I'll explain others later, but I've cast Aviva and Leah and partially Lisa Arenna because Andy Cohen was not for Lisa Arena at all, and I was the one who kept telling him that he would actually like her and that she would be excellent. So I do take partial to full credit for Lisa Arenna and in telling Lisa Arena to actually do the show, because she called me to ask me to do that, and whether she should do the Apprentice. So I'm taking

some credit for that. And I will also take credit for the failures, which is Aviva and I cast Leah. So Aviva, I knew a friend who knew her, and they were going down the path of casting people and Andy Cohen hadn't seen her, so she hadn't made it to the top. They were going to cast without Aviva, and I said, what the hell, why didn't you cast Aviva? He said who? I said, she was married to Harry Dubin, who has had sex with more than three housewives. So they put her at the top of the pile and

then they cast her. And between that process of the video going in and it actually happening, I saw Viva and the Hampton's at a bagel store and she's the one who said, oh, hi, thank you so much for throwing my name in. Big mistake. Because then like now

you get someone gets you in a verbal headlock. So I remember I'm standing in front of this bagel store in the Hampton's and I was like on the lawn and she just was like, well, I want to do because of this, and I don't because of that, and I think I'd be great because of this, and I want you to say this, and like I people think I care. Like recently Jenna Lilliaans wanted to talk to me about this, what what do I suggest for her?

Cathy Hilton wanted to talk to me about it before she went on this other model or somebody who's doing the new one. Well, I don't want I don't really want to talk about Like I don't really have anything to say. There's not I don't want to be the sort of post your child for this, and not in a rude way, not that I don't want to pay for it and help people. I don't have anything. I'm not going to say that many positive things, Like I didn't say that many positive things to Kyle before she

went on because I was leaving. So I definitely don't know that many positive things to say because I'm leaving. So I cast you because I know you wanted that, and I helped you in that way, but like, I don't want It's like setting someone up with someone on a date two people you don't know them. I just set up two people. I don't know either of them. I just wanted to do a mick fa and set them up. I don't want to be in a play

by play about it now. I want to hear about every date, which you hate, what you like, how much money they have, don't. I don't want. I just wanted to do it. So that's what the casting is like. I don't want to be part of the date after I've set you guys up. So a Viva got me in this like crazy headlock and then she ended up making it. And I'm responsible and people can be mad at me too for that task. But anyway, that is

how I have even made it onto the shop. I am in part grateful because I can't say that I had much fondness for Aviva, but she brought It's kind of like she you know, she brought something train television. Well yeah, and it was it was sharp, and it was unpleasant and and um like because because of how because of who she was and how not very nice she could be, you know, everybody else kind of got on guard and it created a lot of tension and

and I just never forget. It was the season before this one with when with Aviva, when I think they went to St. Bart and she calling the bass trailer trash or something. Yeah, but she was like it was like all about her health and her phobias and she needed her husband with her, even the girl strip and blah blah blah blah blah, And how come you don't have compassion for me? I'm suffering here? How them you

don't have compassion? And that kind of floored me because I thought, oh, um, like this is when bad things happen in your life. If you expect, if you're kind of entitled and you expect for everybody to give you a free pass, you become a Viva. Okay, well here, yes, so it does. So it does teach you about yourself to your point. But I'm gonna explain something to you. On reality television and maybe in real life, but on

reality television, love to hate is great, Joan Collins is great. Um, love to hate Ramona because she screws up all the time, but like you find her fun and crazy and they're watching. Hate to hate doesn't work, Aviva is you feel that you hate to hate her? You hate it, And and Danielle was the same. You just don't like the way you feel. You don't feel good about hating it. You just you hate to hate it. That's when you know. Love to love is good, love to hate is good.

Hate to hate is not good. And a Viva is a rare breed. I mean, she really lost me. I have to say this is when I started disliking her. Was the book gate thing, oh, right with Carol Um because I'm a writer, so like I knew exactly what Carol was saying and what Aviva was saying was insane, and I posted about it on Twitter. I was I said something like about, you know, being in Carol's camp, and like, yeah, it doesn't take a village to write a book. I'm sorry, that's you know, it's a one

person kind of a deal. And I've never gotten so much hate mail in my life. Oh really, yeah, people defending a Viva. I got so much hate mail. I was literally like stunned, and I don't think I've ever gotten as much hate mail since. Well, I'm gonna say this, I have reviewed things that Carol has written and given my grammar and also flow uh notes like replied and then underneath written I think this should go this way,

and I think that's that way. And and to me, I made this mistake with the Tipsy girl thing where I took the bait and I went in and got annoyed about it versus just ignoring it. Carol took the bait and really kind of battled it because there was something there that was really bothering her, like it was bothering her a little too much. It doesn't really matter. I have worked with different I have written my books.

When I tell you written all of the words. I have had a writer helped me organized, structure the box, the bullet points where it's going. It's like I could go in my cloth and my garage and organize everything and put it in this the piles. And in this case, I do all that myself because I'm a psycho organizer. But what if I needed somebody to help me with the containers and where it's going and how the layout is and what a table comes. So for me personally,

I've done that. I have no shame in that. I don't care it doesn't mean it wasn't my book. These things didn't fly from the sky. Be very hard for someone to fully write a book for you, your perspective, your voice, a feeling, etcetera. And her book did well, so I think that doesn't really matter what if Eva was saying, she probably did have some help. It seemed like she had too much information for her not to have had some help. But I think she took the

bait too like too much. I think it was a battle, that thing that was so sensitive that now you've brought so much attention to it that Paulina, who has nothing to do with the show, tweeted about it. I didn't know that that. That's the point. If it was really nothing, and I was like, okay, I had someone else write my book. None of this happened to me. I don't know how to write. I never learned how to read either. By then it would have been over. So just a note for people in life and in TV. If you

take the bait, it's like bad press. It's like Megan giving added gasolene to the fire. The fire keeps getting bigger. Yeah, but you know, yeah, I I get what you're saying. But I've been on reality TV too last year when I was out in the jungle starving and like you know, becoming uh incapable of walking, um and so like I and I understand, like I know, also storytelling. I get it. I get like, you know how how what you need to do in order to you know, draw attention or

what people do to draw attention and so on. But there's I think there are certain things. Um that No, but you know what, You're right, Damn, I'm trying to like I'm trying to protect something that I that that I'm that I'm wrong about. Never mind, you're right, Bethany. Someone says to you you've had plastic surgery, and they go for it, and you feel like, holy sh it, my whole life is about not plastic surgery. And I'm saying I'm never going to get it in the only

ages we see it. Stop at j LO and then go to Betty White. You've said it. I'm quoting you to you. So if so, if someone said you have a plastic surgery and you say l o l okay, and we don't care if you go back and battle them, We're now invested. And we go back and forth and it's like bringing a big thing on it. So that's all I'm saying. You're right, You're right, because if it's just a one small kind of attack, like well you and your plastic surgery, and I'd be like, yeah, okay,

look at this face. If I got plastic surgery, wouldn't it look a little better? Um? But but yeah, no, it did turn into a big deal. Interesting. Interesting, I'm starting to get a little different perspective on this, Bethany, I love it. I've gotten a different perspective on a couple of things too. This is an excellent, excellent That's why I like the show. We're talking about life through the show. We're not talking about gossip and you know,

talking about life. It's like the women and our emotions and how we handle our friendships and where we fall short and where we do will and yeah, I mean sureness is real as in not exactly real, right, set up realness, but it's still manages to hit like the high and the low points of you know, emotionality, and yes, that are interesting. Yes, And if someone says that you're cheating on your husband and you're culled to sac and you're not on television, you're just a regular person, you know,

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to podcasts. As a person who has watched the show, you and me who just knows the people. This was also iconic, quintessential Ramote Ramonia era Ramonia when Sonia and Ramona were like really close friends and really close to each other, and you could tell that Ramona really was annoyed that Harry had left with Luanne, and like it wasn't dirty and toxic. They just seemed like good, crazy girlfriends. And I like that that. You know, that's probably how

people perceived myself in jail years before. I like, I like Ramonia when it's good. I did too, because they're both kind of cookie um and um and and sometimes one more than the other. But there's something disarming about them. Maybe it's there um uh, they sort of they're vulner They don't mean to be vulnerable. They don't mean to tell you things that they want to keep secret, and somehow they completely give it all away. Yeah, it's a

little it's a little. Uh. Lucy and Ethel and Wilma and Betty like it is a good it's a decent duo back then. Now it might not, you know, being a little older, it might not play as well, but it really it might. It might be like Golden Girls. It played well. I liked it and it was fun. I just wanted to make that overall note and comment and tell you that I know Harry from back in the day. We used to go get drinks with this guy Braid and Kyle who passed away. He drank an

extraordinary amount. He worked for Page six and I knew Harry through him, and we used to have infinite drinks back when I could drink at the Four Seasons, and Harry was always like, you know, it was that Upper east Side regency bar type thing, that Tom type thing, where like you have, you're like a big fish in

a small pond. You're like, you know, it's fairly And I don't need to say this in a negative way because I don't like talking about people's looks, but like a fine looking human being a model, you're not, you know, just an average, decent, fine looking human being who has a little bit of money, running around on the Upper east Side, meeting young girls, trying to impress them with cocktails and like, you know, having a tab at the

Four Seasons. That's that's the role that he played, which fits him perfectly into this cast because that's the same role that Tom played. And also there's something to be said about a man who is willing to sign the release each time and be on camera with these women. You've got to like the light. It must help a little bit with meeting those women at the Four Seasons and the Regency Bars. It's like kind of you get to be a big timer in this small little quadrant

of like twenty blocks on the Upper east Side. So that's Harry who was married to Aviva and dated or slept with Luann as Sonja and Ramona, and Ramona will say not her and I highly doubt that, but he's hooked up with several housewives. That is an absolute fact in some former fashion. So whether I don't know if there was penetration, but it's not my business, but something they all hooked up. So Harry's made the rounds on this cast and it's death as a person who seems

like they like to be on camera. The giving of the ring seemed forced to I don't know where that ring came from it and whose ring that was, but it was like it was not they weren't currently dating. It was like those friends you have that you say if we're a certain age where we'll get married, Like it just seemed weird and it did not seem truthful at all, And we'll never know because neither of them would tell the truth about it, but it was definitely

not true. Yeah, And it was also kind of boring, honestly because I think because it didn't feel very authentic. I was kind of like, I was not invested in that part of the story at all because you didn't believe it and there were no steaks, no no. I was like, yeah, and whatever. It's a sort of pre ring to a pre ring like it. It seems like with that an e boost, they were hunting for story.

And to Louanne's point, if you know, Luanna is Luanne, and Ramona said at best about lun Luan is the one in the group, but if she wanted to go home and hook up with Harry, I highly doubt that Luan at that time thought this was real anyway. So now it's a fake story that everyone's got to play along with, not unlike fake businesses that everybody has to act like they support and if they don't act like they support them, they're bad friends. And they seem to

be trolled by the audience for not being supportive. But the people on the cast are like, but it's not even a real business anyway, So you know, when you're on the cast, like that's not real. That's not gonna happen. Tipsy girl is not really going to happen. This clothing line isn't gonna happen, the soccer team isn't gonna happen, the fragrance isn't gonna happen. And now we look non supportive for thinking that's crazy. So now Luan looks like she's just jumping in the car to sleep with Sonya's

fake fiance and it's bullshit. Yeah, so it's weird. It's a it's a the domino effect of something not being true is what we're on there, fake story that comes from fake story, absolutely, and it's and therefore it's like that was not at all with piqued my interest in in in that episode at all. It was just yeah, whatever, till Tiller just okay, I was just I was kind of um and swalled with um, uh god menopausal brain

Harry and uh, what's Sonya? Harry and Sonya sitting at the table and she's kind of telling him off, like so you know, I'm not going to be accepting this commitment ring from you, uh and um and and he's kind of sitting there sweating and red faced, and I just thought. I was like, I am really surprised that he agreed to this moment. I know, but you don't

know what he agreed to. She might have just said the producers might have said, because I have his number already, do you want to just have a lunch with Sonya, which he could be sweating. I had a guy that I was in a scene with where I was saying, because the producers had wanted me to push the storyline forward, you know, do you think we'll be moving in together? And he really wanted to move in together, but he was like, we'll talk about it later because he didn't

want to be on camera. The viewer thinks that he's telling me he doesn't want to live with me, and then ended up relating to me thinking I was there Carrie Bradshaw, which was good for me, and in my real moment on that show, I was thinking, I'm embarrassed. I'm the loser that the guy that it seems to the audience that's gonna watch this like he doesn't want

to live with me. So I learned ten things during that scene alone that they were that they could sympathize with you being the loser, but I wasn't really the loser, because he did want to live with me, but he didn't want to do it on camera. So Harry probably went to a lunch and he might not be sweating because of what she said. He might be sweating because of what she just said on camera that he has to sort of pretend is real and it's going to be baked in an oven and come out and now

we're gonna be talking about it. Oh that's true. I keep like and as much as I know about being on reality shows, I forget that this this is the way that it sometimes gets manipulated. That's right. Regardless. In that party, Kulu sen Um, I felt a little um um contemptuous of Harry. I thought, yeah, yeah, really seriously, like what who even cares? And why is he getting so much air time? Yeah? Yeah, that's the that was the top. That's the Tom and Harry. I said, we

need a dick. We needed Tom dick and Harry you completely they need to get a dick on. Well, they have a lot of dick on that there's a lot of dick that's gotten. We need one Dick's father. I think that was the dick. Oh that's was it really Oh wow, we need yeah, we need we have a Tom, we have a Dick, we had forge. I don't remember, but you really are you know what, you know more than I do, which is frightening. Um, that's because you were on the show. My dear and I watched. Yeah,

you're right. In other related awkward forced fake and by the way, you know what, it's good that I we watched shows that are like, we're crazy in other ways. This wasn't the best Housewives error or episode in history, but there's this much to learn from the fakeness because the viewers that the listeners here, I want to hear the behind the scenes too. They don't want us to replay a show that they saw, like they want to hear what I think, you know, the stuff that they

wouldn't have known. So I find that in another unrelated fake storyline scene, we have luserque and I didn't realize that was the finale. So now that I'm hold on, So now that I'm realizing this was a finale episode, this is not a good episode because I was thinking this was just a regular episode. Now that I think about the fact that this was the finale, that's not a great episode because it wasn't even a great final party,

like a final party. Yeah, it was lame and it was weird and it was creepy and it was forced. And that's when producers need to find a thread to have a party and some everybody always wants to own the party. But if it's not an interesting enough concept, um, you know, or you've given up something else that season, so the producers will give you the final party. When you get smart, you realize you don't want you don't want to own anything. You don't want people in your house.

You don't want to have to hold the bag. You'd rather just like but in the beginning, everybody wants all the attention of my friend's restaurant, my final party. Who gives a ship and out of its real Okay, so this is a bullshit party. And it was really awkward and it was so augumated with all of those with Soniest team all standing about and looking completely lost and like you had literally gotten them out of like very separate boxes. Oh my god. Right, like she went through

a Rolodex and said, anybody who's provided a service. It was like Angie's list. She just was like, let me look up, a chira practor and acupuncturist, a colonic performer, Yes, yes, Reicky bring it in, Yeah exactly, ralphing Reiky acupulcture Electra. So fucking weird that it was crazy, You're right, that's so. At least we have that, like, at least that's an

assortment of people. And I kind of wish that they would have that we would have almost seen a little bit more of this, these awkward interactions because they just stood there looking um, you know, like uh, they had no idea why they were there and what they were supposed to do. Right. But in fairness to Sonya and at some of the finales, I have seen some of her interesting crowd show up, and she is that type that is always she is always staying at a different

wellness hotel and posting about them. She's always doing a different type of light therapy, colonic, vegan diet cleanse. She is that person. So in fairness, she has interacted with a lot of these people. They don't interact with each other, and that may not be the grounds for a successful party, but to always be fair, these are people that like Sonja definitely interfaces with because she tries everything and wants to do every new thing, and it reads up on

all that stuff. So yes, Sonya's team and uh and Sonya's speech which was hilarious. Oh my god, I love it when she reads her speeches the exac Ackley, I mean, really hilarious. Um. So now we and she's talking on this episode. I have my perfume products, and I have my soccer team and I have and it's like all over the place. And that's God loves Sonja and she's fun and wacky and survives and she's always trying something new. And I have a soft spot for Sonya and in

turns is just wonderful. It really is. It's like you look at her and you go, yeah, you're not a Broadway star, actress, model mogul blah blah that I can see. But the fact that you believe that you could be one at any point, absolutely I agree. And even for the show or not for the show, it lands with her because she'll be on that show forever, Like there's certain people. I think Kyle will be on that show for to the end of time. Um, and Kyle will

be on the show to the end of time. UM, And I can see Sonya and Luanne being on the show to the end of the time time. I think Teresa will be on to the end of time. Vicky would have been on to the end of time if she wasn't taken up. They're just people that you know will be on to the end of time. And I don't even mean only because they'll stay on UM, but that they won't get fired. Because just another little tip, nine percent of housewives that have said that they've left

have actually been fired. The only people that have not been fired and left are myself, Denise, Richard's, Caroline Manzo and maybe like one of those Lories or somebody from the very beginning on OC. But really everybody else has been allowed to say that they are choosing to leave, but they've been let go. That's just another little tip

that's like the business. Like I didn't think it was a secret, but maybe listeners out there don't know that when somebody is taking UM, it's no longer renewing their contract because I'm with their family, right. She just got fired, right And that's another note too, because I think Ramona recently was like, the show is not really good for me right now, and I don't want to be that stuff doesn't need to be said. Nobody cares, nobody believes it.

Just let's leave that out. We don't care. Everyone's gotten fired. I was like, I'm just like, well, I got fired, and then and then you get the repercussions of that, because then that sticks with you, like, oh, she's the one who got fired, because who ever get fired. But Dorenda turned it into a pause, which is still being fired because you were he was not your choice and you were let go. And everybody's technically on a pause if they might come back. Jill came back for so

she didn't. Jill didn't if if if Dorenda's definition of a pause is that they will likely but having said that, they're definitely having her back, then Jill's Aaron. Anybody who's left Vicki Tamera, Like, everybody's on a pause, which is which is a nice it's frosting, it's frosting covered ship, It's it's everyone that was asked to leave, that wanted to stay, was fired. Um so yeah, um okay, so now let's get to this ship show. So even everybody's sitting at the table was just awkward. No one at

a party. It's like eight people at a table to look at one person and talk about what they've done. That's like the producers pushing everybody over to talk about one thing to one person. It's weird one person saying something. Most people don't say exactly what's on their mind in the moment if you don't like someone at party or not, like, hey, everybody, I know, let's all go over there and tell Jane all the things we don't believe or like about her.

It's creepy and weird. It was creepy and weird. And then the rest of the party, like all the Sonja team are like standing around, like huddled around a couple of little cocktail tables with no place to sit. Well, awkward. No, well, here's what a Housewives party is. Bright lights like you're a Chase stadium, no music because the music hasn't been cleared, and if it is music, it would be weird elevator music. But then the sound person can't hear the people talking.

So think of this party. It's bright lights like Chase Stadium, it's no music, and it's can't four cameras every finale standing around a group of people. So the rest of the people don't know what to do. If there's like a big volcano erupting over to the left, you're standing there. You're like, we're not going to go into the burning volcano because that would be weird. But we're gonna stand there and sort of watch and not know what we

should be doing at the party. It's hard to just have chatter about a blue cheese stuffed olive when there's a volcano erupting over there. So it's also creepy and weird to begin with, But so that that's how it really, Yeah, And then also what doesn't happen most times is somebody coming with like X rays in an envelope that that's that this is the error where that ship began. At reunions, people bringing out notes and texts, like we didn't have

notes and envelopes. You just lived your life and you try to remember and you know, you know, oh, well this is the date that you text me, and I have the paper and the transcript. It's ridiculous. I did see, you know. I didn't even put that together because I didn't watch that much longer. I watched when you came back, and then nice kind of stopped watching when you left Um, so I did. I didn't even really realize that that is what is going on now, but well, it's receipts

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maybe she doesn't. It's not the contents the delivery. She had a lot of inhalers, so she must have had asthma. Well, any of us who know someone who seems like we're not going to diagnose seems like um a hypochontract. And by the way, for people saying she has munch houses, munch Houses is when you put it on your kids and you make every you make your people yeah, okay, yeah, exactly.

They you're being like a fatalist about everything about other people, and it often since you want the sympathy and the empathy for one like that's you know, that's the poor mother whose child is in the hospital, or whose yes,

so Munchausen. His kids are other people, but you're like getting attention and it's a sickness where you derive some sort of subconscious pleasure from somebody else being sick, like your your crowdsourcing attention, and you you be dramatic about it and you tell and I've known people who have had it and hypochondria. There was a movie about it. Um, what was it with that? There was a movie where

the woman sharp objects she was poisoning their child. Look because she because people enjoy they're subconscious of their child being sick. It gives them purpose. Munchausen's offense gives the per person purchad purpose and they think that they're getting attention by saying all these different things. With her, it's hype of it. Seems like she's a bit of a hyper contract with her. She has these ailments. And the language in which she's describing the asthma, that was what

was weird. She was like, it's not the asthma, it's the acid reflux that comes with the You know when people do that about food, Well, it's I'm gluten free, but I'm celiac because when I do this, and it's that and I can't process glue tomine And you're just like, I don't I don't want to know all of this,

and I'm sorry that I'm not compassionate. Shut the funk up. See, I am compassionate, and when somebody tells me that they are suffering, I would take them at their word, and I would be trying to be as helpful and kind and reaching out as I possibly could. But when they started taking advantage of me because of their issues, that's where you start going. Oh, hold on a second. You know, Oh, I can't come and help you at your house because my asthma is kicking up. I can't come on a

vacation trip with you because my arm hurts. I can't do this because and how come you're not feeling sorry for me? How come? How come you're being mad at me for not showing up when I'm suffering. Oh so you're saying, um, you're saying it's sort of like water boarding, or they're overplaying their ailment hand, they're being victims there.

And then she pushed it and there's a certain sense of entitlement, you know, like I, I'm the one who's suffering here, So how come I'm not getting more applause, which is what she did in the same parts. Well, also know it sounds like a span, but probably. It also just sounds like there's there's nobody in the state of Montana that has asthma. I'm sure there's statistics about so. I think it's also I can't go to restaurants because I have I you know, because I get hives, like

I have sooriases. It's like random, Yeah, I can't go to supermarkets because I get anxiety atacts exactly right, Yeah, you know, and you know what that is actually true. But I'm freaking gonna go to the supermarket anyway because otherwise I'm not gonna have any food. And you know, you just kind of sorted out like you you white knucklet or you're just a person that never leaves your house,

but you're not on a reality show. But you also don't ask your friends to applaud you for um, you know, stepping inside the supermarket and being like watch me overcome my fear. Oh, pulling focus on the whole thing. That's fair too, that's a great, Okay, great, So this is what I found interesting. This was a very staged episode if I'm thinking about because this too was like I'm going to because the way she pulled the leg off was so immediate. You had to have a plan for that.

I don't think her leg just falls off in dinners like that was like I have. It was like it was a soap. I was like a telenovela. So that and having the combination of the X rays the envelope, the throwing the envelope and having the leg be able to detach so fast and throw it was all so fake and that's what people despise H and H left me wondering. I had no I had no qualms that this was a setup, that she she was going to throw her leg, that this like she had this all

planned out in her mind. I just wasn't sure if it was maybe nudged by the producers. I know, I'll never know. Somebody edged in there a little bit and said, you know, it would be fabulous. I do think he gets some attention. You know how you could really shut everybody up and like really come off as you know, um uh, you know, it would make you bigger. Oh and also I'm the queen of the one liners, and

they always are just immediate. But having a line assigned to a move, the only thing not natural about me is that like having a line assigned to a move like that is very stage and you're right, the producers definitely had something to do with that because they would have to know exactly where the camera would be in that exact instant. And I'm going to say that, yes,

the producers probably did that. But the bigger lesson in life is nobody can make it do something you don't want to do, and you definitely shouldn't, oh, unquestionably, but I wonder. Okay, so because you obviously you know my

reality show lested like one season, um uh. When you are kind of in the middle of this and you have the producers come up to you and go, Bethany, you know what would be really great, like you know, would take her aside and whisper this or do that, um and you know it will make it will make your brand come more alive if you did this, and if you did that, like when, because you're so immersed in it for the months that you're filming it, It's kind of isn't it hard to stay objective and know

where your truth is at some point because there's obviously your weaknesses and your strengths. My hand to God, and you can ask every single producer I've ever worked with, what happens is you're pulling up to a scene and they're making you. At the same time, the producer comes into the car and they're saying, Okay, so you're gonna talk to Sonya tonight about her divorce. You're gonna talk

to it. They want to give you some notes that they have on their big white family tree board of of of different dramas and things that they have going on. And I'm always like, get out of here, like I don't you know, I don't need to I don't need to be reminded. I know what's going on, Like I'm

not that girl. But newer people who want to be successful and have preconceived notions because they've seen Teresa flip a table, and every season there's more elaborate drama that if you watch in the beginning seasons, they didn't exist. Like the biggest thing that ever happened was Kelly saying you know this is you, this is me meaning I'm up here, you're done here. That was like big drama. Then later you know, people feel like I've got a flip a table, then throw a leg, then pull someone's

extensions out. So if you're coming into a show that's been going on for so many years. You've watched it, You've seen dramatic things. Now you've gotten the show, you've studied it. Because most people pretend they don't watch and then study it before they go on. It's a different type of cast member than someone who just was born into it, didn't know what the hell we were doing, didn't wear makeup, and just like live naturally and normally

or is just natural at it. These other people are very staged and they can be influenced by the producers, and you can hear in their interviews lines that have been made up for them or fed to them, and you can even hear it in their taglines. Kristen made some line about like equating her sex life, Well, now my sex life will be spicier too, because whatever she said about the modeling, and that was a producer's line.

That wasn't something that came out of her mouth. So it works in many cases, and it works more in Beverly Hills because it's such a polished, glamorous show. So that show they can get away with a lot more with outfits and makeup and houses because that's what it's you're expecting. Set ups, set up because you feel like the whole thing is Yeah, I mean it's it's it's like Barbie World or something. It works better there because everything seems a little plastic. Yeah, So it just it

works better there. Anything staged, anything, so hair and makeup, it just works better there than it does this show. And in this era, New York is always a little messier, and Orange County is always a little messier. At lant is messier. And I like the messy show is better than the polishy because they show best too, because they're the well, because they're a little bit closer to the truth. Although sometimes the very polished LA version is it's more relaxing.

It's like again, like I said, I feel like I learned from the Housewives, and it's from specifically from New York Housewives. I don't learn that much from l A. I just I just look at it and I go, oh, right, the pink roses and the pink couches and the landing, the falcon crusts, your Dynasty, your watch exactly, which is entertaining and why it does so well. But it's a

different type of show. They can rely less, They have to make more of an effort and how they look and how they live than what they say and what they do, yes exactly, and what pets they have purchased or saved or yeah exactly. And by the way, I that would be harder for me. Words coming out of my mouth is not hard. Figure out how to like make myself like a Barbie doll every day would be very challenge. Oh my god, that to me is like that would be such a slog like having to hell.

That is one of the things that intrigues me about the Hollywood one is that how how perfectly put together they look at all times. And I'm like, oh my god, there's so much work on. What about the and the purse put directly in the camera angle, like the air mes bag every time, right in the camera angle, that a price underneath. It's revolting but fabulous. Um yeah, and fairness.

And in credit to them, they were reacting in a way that is kind of like saying that is fake and fucked up and like that's you need help, Like they were reacting properly, like yeah, I like the fact that a couple of them just kind of laughed in heart they just sort of turned laugh. Yeah. It was like but she would her laugh, and I know her Luan's laugh was saying like I can't believe that this

just happened. And she's thinking of the producers and the cast like magic, Like she just is laughing, and she's thinking of the fact that it's a finale. So that's a moment, Like they're all thinking ten different things. And there were ten thousand calls the next day to the producers, trust and belief. Ah. Interesting, But but like when I am obviously, when I watched it for the first time, I felt I felt like she it was a definite, like like she came in prepared to do this. She

had like her whole narrative in her head. She's also not a great actress, so she didn't carried off making it look like an impulse. You know, she looks like it is premeditation. But it was only rewatching it where I thought it seems like it's been a set up by the producers. This actually seems like somebody needled her saying, you know, it would be really great, and she just maybe she was feeling insecure on a show nobody was

nobody liked her. Um, you know, she wasn't doing doing that well in the eatings and she might have thought this will be the one thing that will somehow, you know, pick her up a little bit. Right. Well, I was just going to ask you what you're high and you're low? Was or moments in the show, and I was thinking one of my highs, believe it or not, was seeing the reveal of Carol's apartment. And because people think that I just want to hate on everybody, I want to

say something positive. I want to say that she does have good taste and good style, that that apartment looked great. Just a random compliment I'm throwing out. That's a that's very nice of you. And yes, she has amazing style and her apartment looks amazing, although I thought it looked really pretty good before that too. Yeah, I don't. I don't have a great sense of style. So she goes all the way on each piece, which I respect and I don't do. I go for a whole look and

it always looks really good. But she like picks each different the wallpapers its own statement, the the lighting fixture, each coffee table, each coaster, every single moment is a statement. And when you're designing a place, I like micessories to do that. But I don't have the time to, like one at a time, pick each thing. I want to kind of get the canvas done and then accessorized. So I thought that was something to compliment. So, uh, do you have any kind of high or low that you

want to mention? Uh? Well, I thought again for me, and I'm still thinking by this the low to me was the book gate thing, like, yeah, well see it affected me, which which is what I'm thinking that maybe Carol wasn't so so far off the mark because I think if you know, like you said, okay, somebody excuses me of plastic surgery, it's so patently obvious that I

haven't had any, and it's so proven. But if somebody said your book was not written by you, somebody I heard that there was a ghostwriter on your book, it would hurt. I would take offense to that because that is like my sensitive area, and not because I can't write, because people don't generally give me credit from being able to do anything but look pretty. Oh that's fair. And also you're on a show. You don't know what's coming

out of the oven. You've just thrown the chocolate chips in and some baking powder and the rest isn't there, and you've gotta wait six months. And your your career has been being a writer, and your financial stability has been being a writer, and you might want to write more books, and you don't have the the reader and the buyer is going to perceive it, so you have to wait. And that's why reality TV is really painful in that way. You just something happened and you're still

shooting the scene. So somebody said something to you that you weren't expecting you they pull your pants down in the middle of the street, and you still have to keep filming as if nothing just happened. So you're doing two things at the same time. You're thinking, you're obsessing inside your sweating. Ramona is amazing at this because she doesn't care what she's just said. She can move out.

In my head, I'd be like, you're thinking about what was just said, but you can't get stumped in show, so you have to move forward and say what you're saying. Then you're gonna obsess for days and weeks and months about what that's gonna look like later. It's a torturous thing. And I always say they're not getting paid whatever they're getting paid the good ones. It's not even enough. It's torture.

People go. And this is why. While we like it and it's taught us a lot, one of the things I don't love about housewives is that many women have gone on anti anxiety drugs as a result of being on the show to manage and stay on the show. So you now go, you get so that's not is your job that you've chosen to do and get paid for to be in the light. But it's the it's

the devil because it's got another side to it. So you get to be famous, you get to be in the light, but you have to endure media scrutiny, lies, truths, doesn't matter at all. The skeletons are coming out, and you may have to go on anti anxiety medication or

just won't sleep for six months. It's really brutal. Yeah. Yeah, but then that's that sort of is also belongs to the category of just being famous, right like if you're if you suddenly become a public figure, from going from you know, being known around town to being nationally known or it is, yes, but I'll challenge you because those some people that are very let's take a mall in

George for example, versus Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson. Okay, a, Mom and George have chosen the way that they want to be famous. They I know that they're in like Como. You can go and be by their house, etcetera. There's paparazzi, etcetera. But they know them and they're locally known, and they find a way to have a quiet life and then bust out and go to the met Gala and be as famous in Hollywood as possible when they want to. But they can sit back and chill, and other really

famous people choose to constantly be in the machine. Being on the Housewives is a different machine. It's like churning out junk food every day all the time. And these women take the hit because they want the good and then then they take the bad. When I used to go to l A, I'd go out to dinner with Kyle and she want to go to Craigs, and I'd be like, I really don't want to go to where that paparazzi is. I was not born and meant to

be famous. I don't want to put on the eyelashes in the makeup and take the picture I don't want to live that cycle. I'd rather do it here with you, and we choose to be here to them be public and this might get picked up in a magazine. It's control. I don't want to do it in another type of way. So it's a different genre. Can't hide because because George and Mamal or Kim and whatever, the people that they're

on the show with, they're producing the show. So it's not like a daily immediate people that just want to take you down. The Housewives is like you're on a basketball team on the front lines, but the other four people really will only win if you're losing, like in some scenes, So the whole game is like not like we're all going to beat the other team. We must beat each other at all times in some way. And we can pretend we're all friends because we're on the

same team. But I must be winning and you must be losing for that scene to win. See they all ganged up against a Viva. I Viva was losing. If they push it too far, she'll be winning. They'll all be losing. The pendulum is always swinging, so it's very erratic. It's different than normal fame. You are, Yeah, you're right, You're absolutely right. Also question being on a reality show and you're like on whatever a lot, right for the four months that you're doing it, and so you're living

your life in front of the camera. How do you feel when you get off? Like all you do is talk to everybody else about what happened and what's going to happen. You're in a vicious and some people are worse. I know the exact housewives who talk about a twenty four hours a day, and it's it's it's part of why you want to get off. And then I know and I know other cast members and you go out to dinner with them and it's all you talk about

what's going on in your cast their cut. Now there's cross gossip and it doesn't matter how intelligent and Carol rads it will you you seem because she's she talks about it as much, if not more than others that you wouldn't like. Lu A will talk about it, but not as much as someone like Carol. You know, um, you'd think that Sonya because she's fun and wacky, what what Remona will talk about it way less than someone

like like Sonya. Ramona wants to go on the trip, pretend it's a real trip, have fun, then go back to her own life and her shard and with her friends or Pinogregia Sonya. We'll be talking about it twenty four hours a day on camera, off camera, on season. Off season, you call her and like it gets to there and you're like, I don't want to talk about that.

Kyle is kind of in it, in and out of it a lot, too, Like different people are at different rates, but everybody is talking about it all the time when you're in that process, And that's one of the things I really didn't like all the time. That's like completely

life consuming all the time. Anyone who says they don't is lying all the time, and they're texting Andy something just happened, and they're talking to the producers all the time as if the producers are their best friends, because that's how they jockey to get good scenes or get things taken out, or push things to be taken in, or make get pet and feel better about what happened.

And the producers have to make you feel like it wasn't that bad even though it was bad, and make the people you know, it's it's it's it's or that it was really good even though it wasn't good. It's a NonStop cycle of that. So it's they deserve all the money they get because it's twenty four hours a day for those four months, and then they're still doing interviews and then it airs, and it starts all over again.

It airs, and it's the media talking about it and the things that your cast made didn't see that happened, and it's it's a it's a circular reference. It's a nightmare. To be honest, It's okay, you just made it sound completely unappealing to be a part of the cast of

the Now. I feel sorry for everybody. Yeah no, I'm just saying they're earning the money they make someone and I'm going to give special shout outs to people like Erica Jane to Teresa who gone through public things and have been dragged behind a car and been on the ultimate roller coaster, Kyle and Kim and the Kathy and the family drama that comes out, so you have other family members involved that they earned the money they're making. It's a fucking drag and pour Tabasco sauce on the

their bodies after they all know it's true. And everybody knows everything I said was true. It's a fact. These are facts. You mean it's not. It's not. It's not word word from the street, word on the stard. It now, these are facts, m are facts. Amazing, Thank you, Paulina, Bye bye