So I want to talk about the Jill Zarin experience, which was really interesting, and I want to talk about it and as entertains to the state of reality television. So from what I'm hearing, Crappy Lake and I love Sonya, I want to go on record saying I love Sonya. Crappy Lake is getting very, very crappy ratings. Like I think the last episode was fifty thousand people watching it, you know, on TV. Now they get other people with streaming and things like that, but like it's abysmal so
compared to Yeah, it's just abysmal. And the state of reality TV has changed too. And while Bravo's doing a big spin factory on all the ratings, Real Housewives of New York also the women seem lovely. I am rooting for them. They I like the woman she's a real estate agent. SI seems cool. Like they're out there fighting the fight. Jennas like sort of carrying the press and everything, and it's great. There's a change that's gone on in
reality television. Anyway, the show on Bravo for the first episode got like a million viewers, I think, and the second one got seven hundred. And it will only go down because that's just how it happens. And if anyone cares about the finale or something crazy happens, people will
tune in again for the finale. TV has changed. When I was there at reality television's peak, it was at over three million viewers during like Scary Island, I think, and during like is It About Tom and It when I was not there, it was like between one point four and one point six. So ratings, you know, really really can ebb and flow, and the advertisers really care about the demo the specific group of women within that rating, and it's been abysmo lately, and so I'm thinking about
the fact that it costs millionllions of dollars. I think they had one hundred thousand dollars premiere at the Rainbow Room and Media and the Refresh, and you know, I'm sure, and Sonya and Lawan did a photo shoot and you see glossy pictures and they go on a promo tour and Bravo has to pay for their cars and their glam and they're gonna fight for money for outfits, and you know, they send a whole big crew to wherever Crappy Lake is and everybody's staying in hotels and you
see all the cameras, and I just saw Eugene Levy shooting a travel show and it was like forty people in crew and it's just bulky. And Jill and I go on my podcast and shoot it effectively, mostly on an iPhone, and we get three hundred thousand viewers. So we're getting almost half the viewers that tuned into Housewives
on Bravo. With me calling her two days before her showing up at my house and you know, my fucking muppet show shooting it and also her and I. You know, that has gotten half the views of what Housewives episodes get.
It costs us probably five grand to make. So think about the millions of dollars that it costs an advertising and makeup and photo shoots and one hundred thousand dollars rainbow room party and all of that to shoot those shows that are bulky to wait months to get that content out because they have to produce it and edit it and pay people in LA and get a time slot, and the powers at b and the people on the show have to ask Bravo what time they get to go to the bathroom, and they have to pay the
cast a paltry salary, but still it's just a bulky model. And then Jill and I do just me sitting doing the podcast. So I'm airing the podcast, which I as a podcast personality, own this podcast and make you know, seven figures doing a podcast. So I'm already making money on it. And then for fun, I decided to just shoot it and put it on YouTube, and in one day it's one hundred thousand years. It's double the ratings of Crappy Lake, double the people watched it. I mean,
just fucking that's the way it is. Sorry, And on TikTok, I could eat shellfish in a bag, literally eating shellfish in a bag, a grab bag of corn and shellfish, and it's international news and the Post is writing about it, which costs me fifty five dollars for the place that had a grab bag of seafood and my iPhone and over a million people watch that, so it's crazy, and
page six writes about it. So the world is changing in the world of entertainment and content is changing and it's giving, it's making room for the regular person, the small person. And Jill Zarren wants to come on again. She wants to come on again, and she knows she made no money, and then I made no money on the YouTube. I made no money. We've actually paid, But who cares. She wants to express herself. Maybe she wants to talk about her carpets, her rugs, her candles. Maybe
she wants to just talk to me. Maybe she just wants to be free, not today, talk about something that in four months gets to air, and she's got to ask mission and feel like a degraded person who's a grown ass woman who's made her own money, so to get paid to fucking be dragged and accused and criticized and being some cesspool with women trashing other women, like for what for fucking fifty thousand people to watch Crappy Lake or seven hundred thousand people to watch the Housewives?
And yes, I know the bravosphiebic, but that doesn't count the downloads and the streamers and the puppet shows and the monkeys and whatever. Like it's a spin. I could spin that too. Mine doesn't count the impressions on page six and the fucking monkeys and the donkeys and the lions and the tigers and the bears. Oh my, but straight up media viewers. We're getting way more than Crappy Lake and if you include social media, way more than housewives to fucking have you know, a muppet puppet show.
So the world is changing and so is entertainment, and the dinosaurs are walking the earth, and for once, I'm doing something. In twenty twenty three, Heather Dubro bought a house in la I think I knew that already. I think they were living in a condo, but now they bought a big house. Yes, she'll move over to Beverly Hills. That would be great for her. She'd be a good cast member there. That's where she belongs. She's come up. She's got more money than any of them, to be honest,
most of them are fronting and stunting. She's got real cash. Some of them do, some of them don't. But she's you know the name of the game. There is cash and Chanel and cash app Burzelle. So Heather will be great. You know, she's got very interesting stories with her children and their gender and sexuality. And she's married to a plastic surgeon and they're still together and they're a good couple. And I would just say to them, why the fuck you have money. Why are you doing this? I looked
at her, I met, I saw her. But listen, people love the fame and the light. And he wants to keep making money and keep doing plastic surgery and he's got his own show. And you know, in my opinion, it's it's the Mouricio Kyle program where the both members want the fame. Both members of both of these couples want the fame bad. Okay, both members want it bad. Both members want the money bad, and both members want the relevance and what the fame brings into their businesses.
And there is no shade to that. It's just what it is. So both of them, whether it's Kyle and Mauricio or Heather or To and Terry, they're a team that come in and they want to grab the fucking bag and try to maintain a relationship and a family and stay together. And who's to say that relationships wouldn't suffer off reality TV. And if they're true partners and if they truly know, don't hate the player, hate the game. We're going in to grab the bag, you know, stay tight.
I just find it very hard. I think marriage is hard. I think relationships are hard. I think LA makes it harder. I think it's a very superficial place. I think it's a very competitive place. I think it's a very money hungry, keeping up with the Joneses kind of place. I do not think it's a private place. I think people hunt for paparazzi. People like to be relevant, people want the light. I think people compete with their spouses. I think there
can only be one peacock in a relationship. I think it's a dangerous game when everybody's famous and on television and in the media. I just think it's dangerous. But there's always a price. So what's the price if you're gonna make a lot of money and then you're gonna leave or you're gonna take some bruises, and that doesn't matter to you, you know. And once people get a taste of fame, they don't want to walk away from it. Once they get the hit, the vein is popping and
they want it. And in these cases, if one party maybe wants to leave and the other one doesn't, then the one party might be like, well, fine, if you're doing it, I'm doing it. I know that Kyle Paris had the fame first, then you know, Kim Richards had the fame first, then came Paris, then came Kyle. And I know that Mauricio wanted the fame and the relevance for his business badly and for a long time he
wanted it. And I also know just from being a person and not divulging anything, I also know that that's hard and daring for the main famous person. So Kyle's the famous person. But in order to be successful on the house was she needed to show her spouse and really push Mauricio and have everybody think that he's the hottest house husband, and all these things that have got to be annoying. That would be annoying, And then the infidelity rumors must be annoying. Then the door eat rumors
must be annoying. Getting robbed must be traumatic and challenging. But she became not as famous as Paris, obviously, but she became famous in her own right and then came in Kathy. But Mauricio has wanted his turn. He doesn't want to be the sidekick, the plus one. He wanted his own thing, and he loves pushing his business, and without Kyle, he wouldn't be able to push his business the way that he has, and she pushed it to so then he wants the fame and irrelevance too. He's
a hot stepper in LA. He wants to further push his business wear the agency hats and clothing. So he wants to further push his business. So he really pushed for his show selling Beverly Hills or whatever he's selling. And she can't really be on it because she's a Bravo talent, but I'm sure she'll push that in her contract cause he needs her to be on too, and so does her network. So they've got a dual income, dual fame program, dual business fit program going in that household.
The realm for them is big and it does not come without a price. So that's what Terry and Heather have been trying to do. He has his own show, he's got his own program, and one feeds the other. So don't hate the player, hate the game.