Do you know about the Caroline Manzo and Brandy Glanville thing.
Yes, yes, a tiny bit.
Caroline has filed a lawsuit because of a trip to Morocco on an Ultimate Girls trip. Allegedly there was a sexual assault incident.
And was it? Did they describe what that was?
A grabbing of a boob? Was what was discussed. So my feeling is that Caroline Manzo who had a quote saying like, if you're hang out by a dumpster, you're gonna end up smelling like trash, something like that. And I knew that she left the show. She was one of the few people that have left the show versus being fired. Ninety nine point nine percent of people that
say they've left, it's been they've been fired. And she did leave, and she didn't want to go back, but like the pandemic hit everybody, and I'm sure it would have been nice to have a gig and it's a lift for the money, one week trip, but she goes in and now we're in the land of the fired housewife,
which is the most desperate house of all. The fired housewife is the most desperate housewife because they want to, you know, jump through hoops and set themselves on fire, set somebody on fire, to rate and maybe get asked back, or just like to be relevant again. There's a thousand reasons. So now Caroline goes in and she knows who the cast is, so now Brandy's want of the cast. And in my opinion, I don't know exactly what happened. It's alleged and Brandy and everyone else have said, you know,
different versions of it. Nothing happened to it's Bravo's fault too, you know, it's Mickey Mouse's fault. But Brandy is known to get wild and wasted and has done that even when she since she's left, she's gone back in as a guest to get wild and wasted. So this environment wants you to get wasted. It encourages drinking and train wreck activity. So is it surprising that this would go down there there's a ledge that they were smoking pot
and morocco and go to jail. Painting a picture for you to get your take on this whole situation, because mine is, don't hate the player, hate the game.
I am so.
Cynical about reality, right and like how things go down, and also just cancel culture, like somebody can say, like I don't fucking know.
I don't fucking know. Like, yes, I do agree.
I dated somebody that worked in real filmed reality, and there would be stories that like people would text on the side about like storylines that they wanted to dump on the show to boost their ratings, right like hey, or like news that would break. But they're like, hey, I want to you know, I want to break the news when I'm on air.
Whatever, So no, no, no, no, no no.
The producers will hand you the New York Post and say, tell Jennifer about this, like Christina kirkmana squat with their pants down at Starbucks, and I'm supposed to say that to somebody else. Obviously you were that yeah that yeah, So they want so they wanted Brandy to be Brandy, and Brandy went there and was Brandy. I mean you know what I mean, Like we want enter the wild girl who's gonna drink? The people that fall off the wagon. I've heard them say, well, of course we know this
person's gonna drink. And they are excited, they're drooling because that means that this is a story someone fell off the wagon. Like they're not like and you're.
Also you're you're throwing all these people together that are like have such different personalities and like, especially when there's alcohol involved, you have people that just like.
Party and let loose so differently that like.
It's just it's hard to it's hard to make sense of any of it and be like this was done with this intention, or this was.
I don't fucking enough. I don't know, Bet, I don't know.
And it's also the activity, the activation, the adrenaline is another level from anything I've ever expected. What's going on inside your mind and your body while your heart is pumping out of your chest and you're having a conversation and you don't stop down, like in acting like you're the train has left. You just said something that's bad or that could be perceived as inappropriate, tone deaf, or racist. Your mind is on that thing you've just said. Your
body's still in this conversation. It's the most present scene, ironically, more than acting ever, because you must be present and listening to the other person right there, even though you're in your head a little in the about the past thing. But like the cameras aren't stopping. And if you go in the bathroom to throw up about what you've just said, the cameras are there to get the throw up coming out of your mouth, Like it is not a joke.
So it's why it's hard to judge a circumstance based on something that is so heightened, that is designed to be heightened, and you're then doing what you were supposed to do. Like did you ever see the movie A Few Good Men with Tom Cruise? These two okay, so these two so soldiers are working for Jack Nicholson, who gave we find out in the end of the movie, gave them the order to beat the ship out of this guy in the unit. And the guy died from
the the beating. And these two guys didn't get criminally prosecuted because they took the order, but they got all they ever wanted was to be in the army and they got fired from the army. And they were like, but what do you mean we we gave we took the order. He gave the order. Like they were basically like crying because like there were soldiers. So it's like your housewives.
You're supposed to specifically housewives, right, like you have you have a you have a brand of keep as a as a housewife, like you gotta be wild and wacky and crazy and like you said, you're in fucking Morocco. Everyone's drinking like you're at a heightened Jela.
Yeah yeah yeah and concentrated and everyone's been fired. And then Bravo likes it's like, we do not condone. We do not condone the what the promoting and suggesting and the providing of alcohol and crazy behavior, and you know that then we're gonna.
Be are they feeding you guys alcohol?
Like before, it's not, No, they're not feed Everybody can order whatever they want and it's all readily available there. Okay, but they're loving there's no inter In any other workplace, you'd possibly see some interference if one person had eate drinks. If when Sonya crashed on the floor, I'm the one who was like, stop this and we need to call a metic because I don't know if she hit her head. That wasn't the show that said to do that.
Like yeah, then there's that line with reality where it's like what what is journalism?
Right?
Because I think some reality is is journalism right? Where it's like we're not going to step in, like where is the line between like we're highlighting these people's lives.
We're telling this story.
Right when you're a journalist and you're reporting on a news story that this was always like in my journalism classes, this debate of like if you see if you're you know, documenting something that's happening and something bad is about to happen, do you step in? And the argument with journalism is like, no, you are unbiased, you are what is happening, And I think.
With but then, but you're not editing that this gets edited. This is selective editing for journalism and storyline, you know, supporting. So if you're just watching a war and something happening, that's different. This is like you have a narrative and that's the most overused word in but this is the one time to use it. Like there is literally a narrative that the producers on the whiteboard already know they're
moving with at this time tomorrow. It could change like based on something that happens in a scene, but they're going with what this is. So that's why there. You know, it is an interesting thing. But you're paying these people. They're technically not employees because they're the contracts are shadily designed, so they're not legal employees. So it's not really a workplace.
So we were in Colombia on a b so that the production rented and we took on water and we had this crazy situation where like feats of waves were coming on the boat and we then realized there were only two life jackets on the whole boat for including the crew and the cast that had to be over
twenty people or fifteen twenty people. So that was like our life was in danger, and we're in Colombia and our life was in danger, Like who's that's We're not supposed to trust the network that got us a boat and we're just supposed to be like journalists now, Like even if a if a camera person went for NBC and the boat had two lifevest and something happened, the camera person would have a problem with NBC, which is
their employer. So it's like a hybrid weird situation. So it's like a weird time in reality television because of the reckoning where they don't know what to do because they want all that good, meaty content, but now there are guardrails starting.
I couldn't, I could not, I couldn't do any bit of that. No part of that.
That's like or I also just think about how you know, we will show like the previews for shit, and they'll like, you know, edit out the tail end of what someone said to make you believe that they were saying something else.
And then in some situations people don't watch the show. They just take that little Oh.
Yeah I hate that person. Yeah, ruin's that person's life. Yeah, and it goes on for the rest of time.
Yeah. So I can't fucking be bothered. Man, that shit is. I like the idea, Well, it's like acting too, right, where.
It's like you do this work, do you do your thing, you whatever it is, and then you put your trust in someone that's editing it. And then you want and you're like, oh fuck man, like you picked the take that I, in my opinion, did the worst act.
But you still get to hide behind the character and the writing. It wasn't you that did the crow sometimes yes, yes, he wasn't either did the craft. So then the next question I have about popular culture is what do you think about Victoria Beckham and David Beckham's goal like personality, glow up their humor and entertaining love it, blow up wild right, I love.
It, I love I love Uh, was it uber eats when they Yes, I just saw it today. That's why I asked genius, genius. I love that.
I love. My thing for me in comedy is like people that can make fun of themselves, Yes, like make that part of it.
Yeah, which is why I love you like people that are so self aware that they make fun of themselves.
Because then also it's like you're kind of uncancellable when you're like that, right, Like you if you have your things that obviously in circumstances, in certain circumstances, but it's like if you have your shtick and you kind of just own it and you're aware of it. I feel like people find that like very endearing.
And well, everybody wants you to catch somebody in something, so when somebody that was Ellen's biggest problem with the show was it was be kind to each other every day. If she was on that show as like you know, bitch and slightly, it would be a different it would be a different juxtaposition.
Yeah, Or what's your favorite Housewives franchise and what's your least favorite?
I haven't watched any of them in years except for individually for my podcast, Like I'll watch an episode and it's great to do because it's like I'm a new person walking into the show. So I enjoyed the one episode I watched. It was a little too Now. Atlanta was always my favorite because it was so I mean, Atlanta was really entertaining and ridiculous. So that was always my favorite. I don't really watch that many anymore. They're so produced, and I liked it back when it was
more sloppy. Back then, I actually enjoyed Jersey too sometimes because it's like it's a little fucking messy. They get dirty, they look like Beverly Hills is very canned, like they're very produced and very aware. And the New Housewives of New York, which I only saw, I think the premiere, they were very savvy and very self produced, and I just that's not the nature of what the train wreck we started was. What about you?
I used to love again, I haven't, like I keep up with Beverly Hills now.
I used to Jersey was like, well, because Jersey like it feels like home. Watching Jersey like Jersey New York, it.
Just feels like home.
I loved Atlanta, I loved Potomac. Those were like I never I couldn't get into Salt Lake. I couldn't get into Miami.
Now. It's just really I just gave up with Beverly Hills.
I don't even know the difference anymore. Yeah, Beverly Hills is like another level that's like, you know, not landing now