Episode 176 : King Von Documentary Heated Debate | Feat Trap Lore Ross | Part 1

up with ten ninety Jake. He's a little different than Jake though, he actually is a content creator like and I'll get to some of his his way of coming in the coach and how he got here and all of that. But it's gonna be a good one. It's gonna be a great conversation. He's been welcoming to all questions and all criticism, and he's been able to sit with people like academics, King Vaughan's old manager, Adam twenty two, a lot of those people I've had on my platform

as well. But you know, I'm Big Loan. So for those of you that's knew around here, which I don't know if anyone that has not saw my face. I'm the dude that is taking over right when we talk about podcasting, I'm the guy that went and got a couple of deals. I did a little babies roll out, money bag yo, rollout. So I'm one of the biggest you know, and also the real ones check in with me.

So if you guys got questions, if you guys want to interact with the conversation, it's definitely a situation where we're gonna We're gonna definitely let you guys in on it. So I am here. What's going on? My god?

tough situation for him the past few months. But you know what I mean, I got love for Adam, I got love for all of the guys that you know, we're on No Jumper and on anymore. You know, it was really sad to kind of see that that breakup happened. But you know what I'm saying, I love all those guys and I know they're going to keep winning.

opportunity to do so. So it'll just be it'll just be a process of finding what that new niche is. He may have to walk completely away from you know, what he was doing at first with those guys, right and just try to plug more people in. He may have to kind of re you know, reimagine what he wants to do on camera. You know what I'm saying.

of good to see what's going on. Obviously it's tough, but hell man, you know there's a lot of a lot of podcast beefs over the year, and you know, the big whole Joe Budden breakup was obviously a big thing I was into.

on the Joe Budden podcast Breakup. I said, oh, this dude, I actually pitched you to a big company and I just didn't reach out to you just yet. But but I'll talk to you behind the scenes about a few things. But you know, the way you do that documentary style thing is just I really appreciate that, right, I want you to know that. And that's before the King Vaughn thing. Now, the King Vaughn thing, it sent waves through the culture because.

town called Bognor, Regis. It's a very small town. It's by the seaside, by the beach. You know, I'll be honest, it's not a very diverse town. You know, it's sort of a very kind of simple British people. Not to disrespect them, but it's you know, it's a small town, you know, small, small opportunities.

But fortunately I grew up just when the Internet was really kind of hitting, and so I was a young kid, you know, nine ten years old on the Internet, downloading music, listening to people like jay Z fifty seven, Eminem and you know, my parents didn't understand I had two older brothers that were super into hip hop, and really I was just like an internet baby, you know, I was. I was kind of getting raised by rappers on the Internet. Listening to all of these stories, you know, the success,

the danger, the lifestyle, the ups and downs. Like I say, people like jay Z, you know, listening to his story coming from the Massy Projects where I was growing up at the time, was just you know, it's the complete opposite. You know, no pun intended, but it was black and white day and night. What I was living to what I was hearing in these songs about people like jay Z, them dmx eminem was it was fascinating to me, honestly, and I was just in love with hip hop. You know,

I didn't have many friends that liked hip hop. But like I said, I grew up in a very small, boring town. You know, not much happened, you know, there wasn't there wasn't much going on.

culture comes from. Seeing that you did grow up in the area that really didn't have all all of what we've been through, right, Like me, did you ever did you ever do backwards flips on mattresses or play football up the heel or nick knock or do you even know what nick knock is? Or like you know some of these things what our culture grew up in. It's like where did where did you get your understanding of it? Was it through the music?

like reading the lyrics. You know, when you get like a back in the day, you'd get CD. You'd actually buy album, you know, like the Blueprint or something on CD, and sometimes you might have or on vinyl and it might have all the lyrics you know, in the booklet or stuff like that, you know. And I would really study hip hop and the rappers that I was into,

and honestly just the details, you know. And for me, I think it was actually like a case that I kind of knew I didn't have that cultural understanding of the music, and I was really just trying to learn as much as I possibly could, you know, I think I was always just really hungry and thirsty to know about hip hop, Like these artists were inspiring me, and you know, I wanted to learn more about jay Z's past. I wanted to know what, what's it like in New York?

You know, what is the massie projects, Like what's the history of these places? Like and really just between listening to the music, you know, doing research on the internet that type of thing. You know, I just I was just obsessed with hip hop and these rappers that are idolized and then over the years, you know, I just learned more about it.

I used to love deaf comedy jam Dave Chappelle, like way back, you know before obviously Chappelle was always big, but like where he's at now, you know, when I was a kid, it was like early Chappelle's show he was doing like Live at the fillmore deaf comedy jam, And I guess I was just really I just liked

black culture. I just I found black comedians funny, and I found a lot of white comedians not as funny, or I just it's funny because it's like I can't really say I related to it more because I didn't live that experience. But at the same time, you know, all I would listen to is hip hop music. I didn't relate to the pop music that my friends were listening to at school. I couldn't get into it. I

didn't like it. I wanted to listen to jay Z, I wanted to listen to DMX, I wanted to listen to NAS and you know, to be honest, I guess it's just a case of like that, I would probably say that were racist people.

got ahead a conversation. If you come from a place where it's mostly one black dude in the school, how do you get from that to speaking on black culture? And then number two, my second question would be, let's focus on the words of open minded or infatuated? Were you just infatuated with culture? Because I was infatuated with my own culture as a youngster, Like you say, def comedy, jam, the rap stuff. But for you to be open minded would kind of speak to an understanding. You see what

I'm saying. Open minded does it speak to engaging with or like listening to or you know, seeking after it? Kind of open minded, in my opinion, speaks to an understanding of of that culture. So help me with those two questions.

off a little bit. And that's why we're going to have a conversation to kind of see where we live at, Like what can we do to either figure out Oh yeah, fuck, I didn't think about that, or no, I thought about that, But this is just how I look at it. Right, So I'm thinking when you come from and I don't want to hang up on this a lot, but if you come from a place where you see one black person, right, first of all, how did you discover hip hop? Was it the internet? Yeah?

they're from, if you get what I'm saying. So it's kind of like, you know, I just I just want to make it clear, like I don't think that me being from an area that's predominantly white necessarily should should lead to like an assumption being made about the type of person I am. You know, I want to be judged on my actions and the content of my character rather than where I'm from or the color of my skin.

your behavior. You're talking to me about your behavior. I'm talking about if I come from a place where I've seen no bugs all my life and then I come in your house and see a bug, I'm going to react in a certain way because I have no understanding of it. It's gonna be like, oh, what the fuck is that? I've never grew up, I've never seen that. Oh how nasty? All y'all have those what the fuck is that?

your content. Bro, you you bust raps like you're not just some guy who you know is just flavorless and just jumped into this, right, But your understanding is what we're just gonna live at a second. But to that, what do you say? Cause again I'm speaking of understanding, not behavior.

other kind of white rappers that were popular. But the people I idolized were predominantly black. You know, I was a young white guy in a predominantly white area, but the posters on my wall were successful black men that I looked up to and idolized. I mean, I'll be honest,

I don't have that experience. I didn't grow up in an area that you know, I didn't grow up in a predominantly black area with some of the maybe, for example, the socioeconomic problems that you know, might go on in some of those areas traditionally, right, So I'll throw I'll be the first to throw my hands up and say

I haven't been through that struggle. But for me, I think as a youngster, when I wasn't in that sort of area, I think the music was like a window for me to understand black people and the black struggle. You know, I don't pretend that like I know what it was like to grow up in the massy projects. But I think listening to you know nothing but jay Z songs growing up, it gave me that sympathy. And then,

you know, I knew black people growing up. I would never be judgmental of someone based on the color of their skin, even maybe at school. You know, there were racist people at my school, and you know I didn't fuck with that. But once I became an adult and I turned eighteen, you know, I moved to London. As I was saying a minute ago, London was very multicultural. You know, I begun to make friends with a lot

of black people. And what I actually ended up doing when I was in London as a job is, you know, I started making music videos and making music videos for rappers. You know, I guess the majority of the artists that I shot music videos with were black. But you know, I never met black people with a closed minded a perspective. You know, I was always just in love with hip hop music. If I met somebody that was black, white Indian that also loved hip hop music, we had a connection.

We had something to talk about. I can't say that, you know, I grew up in the tough areas.

what I'm saying. It's like you know, I know you say it gives you a window into listening to jay Z, gave you a window into black culture, so you can kind of sympathize. First of all, a lot of the rap shit is fake, a lot of the talking from raps, and I know from outside of the culture, y'all, you may not get that. Oh that's what I want to say. Let me go back. We'll get to that in a second. When I say hip hop or when I say the tough area, when I say our culture, I'm not talking

about just the criminal element, right. That's why I was talking to you about maybe barbecues or you know, football up the heel, or maybe cookouts or you know, just other things that we do in our culture that lends us that understanding. Even when we talk to each other, Like my neighborhood. I don't play like this, but in my neighborhood, for some strange reason, they talk to each other and they'll say, bitch, what you doing, bitch, bitch,

how you bitch? What you got? Like if a police officer or someone is listening to that, that sounds violent when that's not even that. You have to be of the culture to understand how they can use a word like that to each other and it's not causing that level of violence. You can't get that through hip hop. You see what I'm saying that. And I mean when I say culture, it's not just music. It's fashion, it's jargon, it's lifestyle, it's it's even and it is it is

some hardship, it is some what we've been through. Right, I talk like this, I walk like this because of what I've been through, you know. And so it's more than just hip hop that makes us what we are. And so I'm trying to help you get a real window into the culture because hip hop is just a little bitty facet of our culture. And when you're dealing with our rappers, you're dealing with more than the hip hop artists. You're dealing with a young black man from

our culture. You see what I'm saying. And I know sometimes from the outside it's just oh, another rapper, blew up another rapper. It's like, no, he's speaking culture language. He's saying some culture shit. Whether it's right or wrong. And how you how you interpret it is what we want to talk about a little later. But you know, to that, what do you say?

dude that grew up in a very white area. But I listened to nothing but hip hop, you know, listen to nothing but black comedians, black people I find successful. Even beyond that, you know, I remember growing up and I seeing the Malcolm X film and just being so inspired by this amazing, you know, powerful black man that kind of overcome his adversity. And as I said before, like really I just grew up having a lot of black people as my heroes and people I really admired. Now,

does that mean that I had the black experience? You know, No, and I don't claim to have had that. And like I said, I kind of agree with everything you just said to be honest, but I really what I'm trying to say is just it's like I really mean no harm like, and I don't claim to be like an expert of black culture or black people, like, you know, my topic area on my channel is hip hop, hip hop music, rappers, that stuff I'm interested in, and realistically, like,

when it comes to that, stuff. You know, I do have a good knowledge, you know, it's all it's it's we're talking twenty five years plus of just me listening to nothing but hip hop and like learning about hip hop, learning about the lyrics. I don't claim to be like some sort of a black culture expert. But at the same time, I kind of, you know, I grew up on that stuff, even though I wasn't from that area. So I'm kind of a messed up with random dude. I really I'm not trying to claim to be anything

I'm not. And you know, I really don't mean to offend anybody with the things I say or the things I put across.

but before King Vaughn. Let's go back. I still want to know how you got onto jay Z. If nobody around you's listening to how we crept into your roller dicks.

that was really cool. You know, I would steal his records and like I say, listen to my jay Z, listen to my you know these up here I do if you know these this is the like Ruckus Records kind of collection. And these are some of the first records that I ever had of Like these are records that I stole from my older brothers and were spinning

like peramunch eminem like early stuff. And i'd have been so I think that series like ninety nine, two thousand, so you know, we're talking like i'd be like seven or eight discovering this stuff for the first time. So I guess I would give it to my older brothers. You know, I had an older brother that used to

make rap beats. My other brother, you know, there was a period of time when he was trying to kind of make it as a rapper and releasing songs and pressing records, and I was just super inspired by them and sort of the rappers that I was listening to really, so in a way, I guess it's sort of like my older brothers having some hip hop records around, but like they were kind of they were into that shit. But I really just got obsessive and just took it

to a whole other level. I didn't want to play football, I didn't want to surf for skateboard. I just wanted to listen to hip hop all day. And like you know, I was when I was a little kid, even like I was a young kid, like nine years old, trying to rap. But I had my little raps in school and people were like, what the hell are you doing?

remix they've ever done. That's I was just sat there doing that all day. And that's how I kind of built up this hip hop knowledge. Kind of by accident, but that's where that knowledge came from. And then many years later, you know, I tried to get into the industry. I wanted to be a video director for rappers. So I was kind of working with just like local rappers and rappers that I met in London to like shoot their videos and try and help promote their careers and stuff.

And you know, I just wanted to be close to hip hop. I honestly, at the time, I never really would have even imagined I'd have ended up doing what I do now, But you know, things just kind of unfolded in a weird way. But yeah, it's just it just all came from the music and just being a kid just loving hip hop really.

So you know, I was going around in London, like going to these nightclubs because as well as rappers like people like Dave Chappelle, I looked up to comedians too, like a lot of comedians that I just thought were dope. So I wanted to give that a try. So I got into the open mic circuit in London and started doing a bit stand up comedy and it was you know, I'm saying I was doing it a bit, but it

wasn't really going anywhere. And then I kind of started getting into to making YouTube videos, so I was making more like comedy sketches, like with my friends. You know, I kind of like, so I got homie that I knew from Brixton, which you know, one known spot in

South London. But you know, me and my homie, soitanye we knew each other from doing stand up comedy, and we started doing these sketches and you know, some of the content we made sort of almost had this element of like, you know, he was a young black guy from Brixton. You know, he's half Nigerian, half Jamaican, and I'm sort of this nerdy white guy from the South

of England, but I am obsessed with hip hop. So we did a few like comedy sketches of like kind of almost that that thing, almost like a black guy and a white guy living life in a different way. Like me and him did this comedy sketch where he took me to like the Nigerian food spot and he's eating with his hands and like I don't know how to eat the food and shit right, And so like

me and my homies just doing stuff like this. No one was we were getting no views, like it wasn't going anywhere, but we were just trying to do this whole comedy thing. Like you know, my Palsertanie, he's a great guy. Shout out to him, you know, he was.

He was another person super inspired by people like Dave Chappelle, you know, other great black comedians, and he was kind of doing his stand up thing and me and him, we were just trying to make it basically like running around London trying to make it in the content game. And the funny thing is, you know, YouTube just wasn't going anywhere for me, but I just kept trying. Like every year, I would just be like, let me do

another sketch, let me do a reaction video. And over time I started doing a few videos that were hip hop related, but it was kind of more UK stuff funnily enough, like you know, I don't know if you know, Skepta sort of the big you know, the big grime rapper in the UK's one of the biggest guys in the UK. But like, you know, I did a few reactions to like he would drop a new music video.

I'd sort of react to Skepta's music video. But again I wasn't really getting views, like it wasn't going anywhere, but I just kept doing it because it was fun. You know, there's a big rapper in the UK called the Russ, not the American Russ.

it was that good a video. But I had another home that was doing videos, YouTube videos, sort of more like history type stuff. And you know, people that know me in real knife know that I'm obsessed with hip hop. Like I'm the guy at a party trying to tell someone a hip hop story, or like, if there's a song, I'm trying to be like, oh, you know, like did you know this about this song? Like did you know jay Z like sold a million records of this album?

Or this this happened or that happened, or like Gucci, like did you know Gucci main beat a murder case. I was that guy, and my homie just said to me, like, you know, why don't you tell some of those stories that you're always telling people and do it in the video like your Russ video. And it's kind of funny because at the time, I literally I said to the guy, I was like, I don't think people are gonna rock with this, this nerdy white guy with glasses talking about these,

you know, real ass hip hop stories. And I kind of put it off, and then eventually I just said you know what, let me make a story. Let me make a hip hop history video. See how that goes. And I did the video about how jay Z shot his brother when he was twelve and just kind of telling that story. And that was just the story that really stood out to me of you know, hearing those lyrics when I as a kid and thinking, wow, you know,

that's that's crazy. That's a circumstance, like shooting your brother when you're just twelve, Like that was something completely out of my conception, and it was an interesting story. And I made that video and you know, that video ended up performing better than anything I had ever done, and I just kind of was like, damn, Like it was the opposite of what I expected, you know, I was. I was kind of surprised people were even interested. And from there I just kept going. You know, I started

doing videos on all kinds of different topics. You know, I did a video on Frank Ocean and how he kind of finessed the record label for twenty million dollars sort of when he did his album to get out of his deal with def Jam. You know, I did a story about how jay Z and R Kelly had beef. I did a breakdown of like R Kelly's whole case.

You know, I did a breakdown of the situation with Young Thug and Lil Wayne having a beef, and it just slowly, like I was just doing the stuff that I was interested in, stuff that was in the news at the time, and.

they chase it. That's why you see them at some point starting to make bad decisions because I want that feeling, bag man, you know, And us as content creators, we gotta be careful that we're not somewhat chasing that same that say ghosts and trying to sensationalize some of these things. When did you when did you find your Would you say you're you are infatuated with King Vaughn.

And I probably would say that I'm I don't think I've obsessed with him in a sort of twisted, creepy, uh you know, King Von tattoo on my on my face kind of way. But he was definitely one of my favorite artists. He was somebody that his backstory was just insane to me.

the coldest rapper, had the best beats. All I wanted to listen to was von And that was probably before i'd even done a video about him, you know, back in twenty twenty, because I did. For bear in mind, I did three videos on Vaughn while he was alive, and you know, at the time, you know, that's a whole other story, but like that was a time when I think von was really the trending topic and hip hop.

Whatever this culture has, I've I've endured it, right so when I'm speaking to you, I don't hear hip hop. I hear you obsessed with our criminal with the criminal aspect of the culture. It's almost like that's what draws you in. Have you ever been in a fight, have you had fights and stab beings? Have you shot somebody or been shot at? Or do you know any of that kind of stuff?

jay Z man, he was such a lyrical guy. But what really got me he had to shoot his brother and I got to thank you.

that's the topic and the theme we're on. But I think, you know, I think when you look at if we were going to do a comparison of jay Z and King Von as artists, I mean, that'd be really bear in mind, Like you can tell, I'm obsessed, Like I love this ship, Like that's so interesting, like because I think when it comes to jay Z, look as far as as far as I know, Okay, jay Z has never killed anybody, right, The story is he shot his

brother at age twelve. His brother was apparently, you know, on a lot of drugs, causing problems for the family, stealing he was the story of jay Z shooting his brother when he was twelve was a really interesting story of this young dude who essentially had to boss up at twelve and become the defender of his family, which is a which is a crazy story which I guess in a way does bear similarities to King Von because I think the situation with King Von is, you know,

especially at the early stages when we can get into this as a separate debate, but like you know, if you believe that King Von did kill people, as he said in his lyrics and his tweets. You know, I think when that begun, that was a kill to survive situation. I think Vaughn was defending himself, he was defending his life, he was defending his family's life. And I suppose that's that's what jay Z was doing in that situation where.

O Block in Chicago, Parkway gardens. Right, they were both in these situations where they essentially had to fight for their survival, and at some point in both their lives they realized and they decided, you know what, instead of this life of crime, at least in jay Z's case, you know, his thing was he was a drug dealer. A lot of his early raps reasonable doubt dead presidents. It's kind of drug dealer, mafioso rap. You know, drill music hadn't even been invented yet.

a success through his music and became a millionaire. And I think what's really interesting is like when you can trust that with King Von and I think we'll get into this, but this is why I find King Von

as you know it. Just to be completely honest, I don't think King Voon is necessarily someone to look up to, because I think that you've got someone like jay Z where he beat the odds and he broke the cycle and he got out of that situation, became a millionaire focused on his business, built billion dollar businesses, became very corporate, Whereas I think if you can trust that with Vaughn, Vaughn got out of the streets, became a millionaire. But it would seem based on the research that I did,

that Vaughn simply was more interested in the beef. He wanted to keep funding the street war.

The rappers. What I don't think you've picked up along all your research of hip hop in our culture is that most rap shit in the culture they con men. They playing con man, they confidence man, right, whatever, they they just gotta sell it. They gotta be able to sell it to the consumer. I don't I don't think that somebody like King Vaughn jay Z, I don't think

that the same. I believe that, again, the only thing that they have in common is the criminal element that they both had to face, because our culture provides that to us. Even rapping. Just think about the rap style totally different. Think about the beat selection totally different. Think about where they come totally different, the accent totally different. Jay Z, like you said, was it he as soon as he had an opportunity because he was old when

he got his money. He was twenty eight when he got his deal or something, so he was already an established man. King Vaughan is a young man that's still kind of hooked to this shit that they gonna start calling shyreck. This shit is a mess up here, homie. This shit is something you can't just check out of this. This ain't That's what I'm saying. This ain't. You don't just turn this game off. This ain't something King Vaughan just can walk away from, right. He don't got the money,

Dirk Hat. In my opinion, he don't have the money, Dirk Hat. And I know because I know what he takes to get from that. The resources he would have needed to get from that place, I don't think he had yet. But let's not move too far into that. Let's go back to what is the the the parallel things between King Vaughan and jay Z that draws trap Lord Ross to being somewhat obsessed with both of those guys.

Outside of if it's the criminal element, I need you to acknowledge that and understand that, oh shit, oh shit, it ain't the hip hop, it ain't really the music. Shit, I'm starting to glorify culture that I don't participate in. Because if you are breaking the deals down, if you are breaking you know, Joe Budden broke up, you are are freak ocean twenty million dollar finago or jay Zon even shot his brother like that's even something this But

when do you get to this place? You see what I'm saying but let's focus on Jay Z and King Von. I'm so obsessed with that conversation. Let's stay there for just a second.

was rolling through really active in music. That's a long time.

good run at the music. Him and Chief Keith financially. That's not a good conversation, Dirk and Chief Keith. Dirk smothering Keith. But as far as King vaugh he didn't have enough money to run away and just check out the game. He didn't have that kind of money. And you're talking to me about tweets and it's almost disrespectful. But I'm a content creator, so I know I gotta deal with this, right. It's cool. I accept it, But Bro, I'm telling you from experience, I had to come out

the trenches, my nigga, I come out of this. These niggas don't have the money you think they have. And I'm the nigga they used to come borrow from. They don't have what you think they have. Brother, they con men. That's what you ain't for you to have studied. I coach all this time and not No rappers are lying on the mic or not know that. Rappers are tweeting bullshit. A lot of them don't know they business. A lot of them in bad deals. These rap dudes are not

what they portray to be. But I understand it. When you that far away, you have no clue.

of money. My brother how much. I don't know. It depends on his fan It depends on how many kids he got, you know what I'm saying. Then it depends on his information, what information he got, because maybe he had enough money for a nigga with some information, but a young nigga with no information might need a twenty million dollar play to feel like I can really leave from around here because he don't know no better. And dude did. Trust what I'm telling you, Dude didn't get

enough leg room. Man, he didn't get to live with those hits long enough to really get to see the money that you probably thinking he had, and turning down a multimillion dollar deal says none to loan, because it's about the terms, not the money. Any time you get into this business, you learned that it's never about the money.

It's always about the terms. So they may gave him a multimillion dollar deal to own all this shit and he's like, no, that don't make sense right, So again, that's that's my opinion.

want you to know about the King Vaughn thing. I'm let me play into what you're saying, that he spent the honey k. That ain't no money, family, nigga a honey k for me if if I got to knock a few people off to feel safe around here, because see, that's that's the thing that I think, again, you're not paying attention to right once they mark me. It's almost like in one of these video games, they got a boundary on me. If I could take care of somebody that got the boundary on me. They might send a

message to calm everything down. So some of what I do may be out of safety. But I don't even believe half of the shit that's been reported to the internet. I don't believe that. I don't believe. So you can't we can move on because you can't answer that. I can, But you can't answer to what what similarities to Jay Z and King Vaughan Ham.

your first stories. And King Vaughan Beef and his shit is you've been attached to that for a while. Help me understand the similarities.

in Oblock. I've never been to the Marsi projects. You know, maybe one day, who knows. But listening to this music, like listening to King Von's music and jay Z's music, they're both amazing rappers. Like say what you want about what Von did in the streets, but when he got on the mic and he started rapping, he was amazing. He told amazing stories, vivid, deep storytelling, which you could definitely say the same thing about jay Z. And they would build a picture. There's old jay Z songs and

there's King Von songs. You put on the headphones, you shut your eyes, and you listen to that description of roaches on the walls.

skill like Von was a talented artist. He was able to paint a picture of O Block so that someone like me that never have been there would maybe get, you know, a small percentage of understanding of what it's like, like what he went through and his story, and both jay Z and King Von through I think painting these pictures of the experiences that they had been through. That talent was rewarded by the music industry and they both

became very successful. Now we disagree on how successful Von became, and you know that's that's fine, But I think that's the thing I just want to communicate is it's the storytelling and the artistry that I think puts them together. Because let's be real, like, no disrespect to anybody, but the artistry of say a King Von and a Rondo number nine, it's on a different level. The way King Von told the story and painted a picture is above damn,

near ninety five percent of Chicago rappers. Full sty was a legend because of how good it are.

You feel as though some some some storytelling that King Vaughan is doing, you know, aligns with what jay Z did. When I say jay Z did drug dealer rap, he did struggle drug dealer rap, and King Vaughn is doing drill music, I don't see anything.

is the fruit off of that j tree. What King Vaughn landed had nothing to do with that with the drug dealer mafioso style rapping shit, right, you know.

all about drug dealing. But I think over time, this this Atlanta wave of trap where you had like Gucci Mane catching a murder case and then he's jumping on songs talking about go dig your partner up. I think trap music over time became quite violent, but that was born out of sort of drug dealer rap. Then it was you had people like t I, Gucci Mane talking about we're trapping in Atlanta at the text, and then that.

trap music became slightly more violent. But then it was like Chief Keif came out, you're talking like twenty ten in Chicago, but he was already he was not the original first person to do drill. Like you had a guy in pac Man. Sorry, you had a guy in Chicago called pac Man that was creating what was called drill music, and that was like heavily Atlanta inspired to

begin with. Because a lot of these early Chief Keith beats they're kind of like they're kind of like really sort of hard, sort of like reformulated versions of trap.

all about dissing. And this, I think this goes back to what I was saying about why Vaughn I think is a good artist, because I think the same reason why Chief Keith was such a good artist when he came out in like twenty ten, and he's dropping songs like three hun A or like I don't like those those beats, you know, we're talking like young chop beats that are kind of they're quite Atlanta focused, but then they're sort of like they've got their own completely unique,

original flavor and those songs. Originally, like Chief Keith at the start, he was repping his crew, but he was never dissing. The whole smoking Tuca thing. That didn't come until a couple of years later.

of came along. He took elements of that. He put his nose spin on it. It's all Chicago, it's all about violence because he's growing up in that environment. And then over time Chicago. Drill became the biggest thing going, and it got more and more violent. But Chief Key's earliest songs they're not all about dissing and drilling. A lot of it's just sort of about, you know, we're on the block, we're smoking, like giving people a what's the word like a window?

the South. We will show you the big cause, we'll try to show you the house that ain't ours. The boot gott it, it ain't ours, the bit lit, it ain't ours. Somebody nicklaces, that ain't our. We we the you know, we're trying to make you bite into it. Up there, them young niggas look dirty with them choppers.

era cash money. It was all about showing off diamonds, cars, the Bentley's. But then there was also a little bit of an undertone of violence of you know, this creating painting a picture of this environment, the Magnolia projects.

the South, we was not rocking like that. When nim young niggas done that, it turned that young niggas up. You know what I'm saying.

that's the right word, Maybe that's the wrong word. But I was living in a in a in a hood. Let's say, right, I was living in a in a block that was affiliated with a very well known group of drill rappers in London called four ten. Right, I was living in their area and beginning to learn about all the music and the stuff that was going on in the area, Like these guys have a music video that they filmed like in front of my in the

building that I lived in. Right, So I was sort of living in London and experiencing and bear in mind all of the London UK drill originally it was heavily influenced by Chicago drill. So bear in mind we don't have guns as much in the UK, but we've got guys with music videos where they're holding knives and machetes at the camera. It's the whole gang in Balaclava's putting

all of that stuff into their music. And there were a lot of murders in the area that I was living in, and you know, I would go and sort of see the crime scene and then go and hear about the song that was talking about the murder that had happened in my area in London. But a lot of that stuff was influenced by Chicago. And what I'm trying to say, is that I actually agree with what

you're saying. I'm not saying I was involved, but I when I moved back to London, I was living in an area where this kind of waste taking influence and that was something that to me that was like, it was very interesting, it was very It really made me reflect on the influence of Chicago drill because if you don't know too much about the UK drill scene, it's so heavily influenced by Chicago. And you've got a lot of these young guys in the UK in London running

around with ives, trying to do the Chicago thing. They want to get known for sling narrow well at least.

to a place to make the King Von documentary. What made you name King Von a serial killer?

you know. A and he made a documentary about King Vaughn and Ki, and you know he was in the documentary talking about their beef. And you know, I covered that story whilst King Von was still alive. And that was actually before the Chicago Clice had come out and said that, you know, they believed that he was the culprit in that case. So I had covered King Von and you know it's in my No Jumper interview with

aout him twenty two. But essentially, you know, this was when Vaughn was alive and Vonn and his crew pressed me. You know, they got in touch and they were going to take my channel down. They did three copyright strikes on my channel. They said my videos had songs in them Von songs, which they didn't, and they were going to take the channel down. And you know, they got in touch with me and they basically said to me.

he's performing huge venues. He's catching this case with little Dirk, and and so time keeps going on and more and more Von lyrics are coming out, and like, like we said earlier, I would say that I did become obsessed with Vaughn as an artist. I became obsessed with his music. Anytime Vaughn dropped.

He's got that other song where he says, let's talk bodies, I've got a few three plus four as he say, four plus three, three plus two counting his bodies. He's got another lyric where he says he's talking about I don't want to say the words, but it's a word beginning with D that' she used to refer to lesbian women. But he's saying, you know, I shoot everybody in the N words and the D words in this bitch saying

he shoots women. And over time, because I'd already done research into Von's story and got in trouble for it, I was kind of thinking, like, I can't believe he is still out here saying this stuff, saying more stuff, and just like you know, I was watching it, thinking, any any day now, this guy is going to catch the rico and get arrested, surely. And that's just as a as a fan, and so I was honestly a

big fan of Vonn's music. You know, it was it was heartbreaking to find out that he died, you know, when he passed away.

in the room. I'm talking to my dogs. I'm the richest rhying this motherfucker to the baby show up, he the richest, to p show up. He the riches to Jay show up. You see what I'm saying. So it's it's in comparison to so people who know rappers, who have been engaged with rappers have out themselves engaged with Vaughn and said, oh he he a little different than these rap niggas. The rap niggas because when you get behind the scenes somewhere, you probably never haven't been yet, right,

because you're journalistic. The way you do your thing could get you some places you might not have been there yet. But once you get behind the scenes and get to see, oh shit, right, And not that all these rappers are fake, I want you to know that they are not running criminal enterprises. They don't have a lot of these guys were not the biggest dope boy even in their own neighborhoods.

So for even Vonn to be a shot call the where he come from, it's just a different than the rap niggas because the rap niggas come up under somebody most time. Right, So I think because Vaughn came in with a little bit of rep on this belt, whether that's as much as you believe it to be or as little as other people believe it to be. Just having some in comparison to most rappers places him as amongst the realists in the game.

take A's okay, and so there is a spectrum. But come on, man, you can't tell me that when King Von was alive, people were saying he was twenty percent real. The whole appeal, the whole the King Von was that that Von was one hundred percent the realist out that's.

be painting some picture from where he come from. I believe the circumstances around Vaughn what he saw was that detrimental to his vision. You know. I believe his mouth to be a just a portal from what his mind to have seen. That's what I believe. I don't know that him had been doing all of that, bro without any conviction of those things. That's me. That's me being in the trenches. You ain't never been to the trenches.

And I'm trying to get you to understand that. When they say that King Vaughan is one of the realists or he the realists in the game, these rap dues do his floy as shit is to give you their phone number and then don't answer the texts you know these rep what I'm telling you, they putting it. They not talking the criminal element that I believe you to be talking about. Now here's another element to it. I

want you to understand. Most of these guys broke. So when they go do say cheese, TV interviews and cam compone in, they need that check. The vlaty, they need that check. I'm gonna say what needs to be said to be booked. I need to be booked. I'm trying to pay my bills now. I ain't putting a whole bunch of you know, I'm gonna put a little some on it. I ain't gonna but I'm gonna say what needs to be said for him to bring me back, and we build on this. You know what I'm saying.

So I need you to understand that everything game with no convictions. I'm curious as to how you got to a place where you were able to put all this together and call this guy's serial killer. When you went from making content to giving niggas diagnosis.

he killed the witness. And you know, there's a to a certain degree, if somebody doesn't get convicted of a crime, that's one thing. But if they're saying I got away with it cause I killed the witness, I think at a certain point you just have to say, Okay, there's more to this than just were they convicted or not. Because Von's on a bunch of songs saying he killed seven.

his word. A lot of those clips you cut out right, a lot of those clips. When he was talking, he might say, how many bodies I got, how many bodies I got, y'all, how many bodies I got.

and he's got a whole industry behind him saying this guy is the realist, he is no cap At what point, as a group of people that are fans of music, say, look, vonn was supposedly the realist. He said he killed seven people, here's the names of the seven people that died, and he's tweeting haha, six shots to the face minutes after they died. At what point can we all just say, look like, as a community, we've got to put her hands up and say murder is wrong.

culture you're not a part of. Here. I am an outstanding member telling you that it's Camp on rap shit outstanding member, and you won't accept that. You're telling me that they said Ron is the realist. I agree, Vonn may be the realist, but compare to these fuck niggas. They not comparing Vaughn to the street guys. He rapping now, he trying to save his family. Now. He wanted the realists in this game because this game is full of boardshit a whole bunch of people that ain't even from

the culture. That's what's on with this game now.

If you're not the victim, if you're not somebody that had to bear with, somebody that could have been the reason this situation happened, you need to accept this as creativity because you don't know nothing else. Anything else is assumption because you ain't been involved. And if I'm telling you as an outstanding member that the rap shits a lot of room in that, and I ain't calling the rap brothers all cap, I want my rap friends to know. But I'm telling you the streets is a weird place, homie.

The streets is a fucking weird place that you ain't never ever ever seen. I'm telling you. For them dudes to survive down there, they had to operate a certain way. I don't see him having enough money to get out of that at that time when he passed away again, R I P. Vaughan because I you know, we're just talking about a man like a man. Mama ain't involved.

And that's what I need you to understand. When you running around without any kind of degree of diploma diagnosing men in a culture you ain't had nothing to do with. What about his mama? We get selfish chasing this shit?