How to Defund the Police

Alex Vitale, author of “The End of Policing,” has been a leader in the police reform movement for years. He tells Joe Garofoli, "The police are violence workers who have been told to wage these wars on poor people" and talks about what works, what doesn’t and how long true reform will take. | Get full Chronicle access: sfchronicle.com/pod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices