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Inside Out with Jim Bennett and Ian Wilks

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The format of Inside Out is simple - Jim Bennett is still on the inside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and Ian Wilks is on the outside of the Church. Yet both care about the Church and its future, and both want to see constructive dialogue between those who stay and those who leave. Hopefully, all of us can come to a better understanding of the Church and of each other. 

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Episodes

Nemo the Mormon Returns!

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim welcome back a favorite guest: Nemo the Mormon , joining Inside Out from the UK for a deep-dive conversation about one of the most defining—and difficult—topics in Latter-day Saint culture: fallibility vs. infallibility in the Church. Using a homemade “ Infallibility Meter ” (complete with sound effects and a cardboard spinner), the three tackle several big topics at random—each framed around the question: What does the Church get right, and where does human fallibil...

Nov 29, 20251 hr 12 minSeason 3Ep. 50

Gerontocracy - with Greg Prince

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim welcome back historian and author Greg Prince for a deep dive into one of the most sensitive and consequential themes in Greg’s “Roadmap for Improving Mormonism”: gerontocracy—a system of governance led by the very old—and how it shapes the culture, leadership, and future of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Nov 22, 20251 hr 30 minSeason 3Ep. 49

A Conversation with Sandra Tanner

Send us Fan Mail In one of our most anticipated conversations to date, Inside Out welcomes the remarkable Sandra Tanner — writer, historian, researcher, and the great-great-granddaughter of Brigham Young. For more than sixty years, Sandra and her late husband Jerald Tanner have been at the forefront of documenting and analyzing the origins, doctrines, and historical claims of the LDS Church. Their work has influenced generations of scholars, members, and truth-seekers across the faith spectrum. ...

Nov 15, 20251 hr 17 minSeason 3Ep. 48

Polygamy, Power, and the Pain of Not Knowing – with Greg Prince

Send us Fan Mail What happens when a faith community quietly backs away from a doctrine without ever really owning the fallout? In this episode, historian and author Greg Prince returns to talk about the long shadow of Mormon polygamy - not just in the 19th century, but in the lived experience of Latter-day Saints today.

Nov 08, 20251 hr 10 minSeason 3Ep. 47

A Conversation with Jordan Broadbent

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim sit down with Jordan Broadbent, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ Head of Humanitarian Efforts for Europe. From his early faith journey in England to his transformative shift from the corporate world into humanitarian service, Jordan shares the experiences and convictions that led him to dedicate his life to helping others.

Nov 01, 20251 hr 10 minSeason 3Ep. 46

A Conversation with Stephen Hunter

Send us Fan Mail What happens when a Latter-day Saint bishop begins to ask deeper questions about faith, purpose, and the nature of God? In this powerful and deeply personal conversation, Ian and Jim sit down with Stephen Hunter — former political lobbyist, bishop, and now Orthodox Christian — to explore his remarkable spiritual journey.

Oct 25, 202559 minSeason 3Ep. 45

A Conversation with Steven Hassan

Send us Fan Mail What happens when faith, psychology, and the power of influence collide? In this extraordinary episode, Jim and Ian welcome Dr. Steven Hassan, one of the world’s foremost experts on cult dynamics, undue influence, and mind control. A former member of the Unification Church (“Moonies”) who has spent nearly fifty years helping people recover from coercive systems, Dr. Hassan brings deep insight and compassion to the conversation....

Oct 18, 20251 hr 19 minSeason 3Ep. 44

Apostolic Interregnum Thoughts - with Greg Prince

Send us Fan Mail In this post–General Conference discussion, Ian and Jim welcome back historian and author Greg Prince for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about what just unfolded during the Church’s apostolic interregnum since President Nelson’s passing.

Oct 11, 20251 hr 14 minSeason 3Ep. 43

LIVESTREAM TONIGHT! 8:00 PM Mountain Time - General Conference recap

Send us Fan Mail Our second livestream! We'll be recapping General Conference and hopefully taking questions from you guys! Click here for the link to tonight's livestream at 8:00 PM MDT, or use the URL below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpm9vr8lW0A...

Oct 08, 202531 sec

Prophetic Voices in a Divided World - with Greg Prince

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim welcome back historian and author Greg Prince for a wide-ranging and timely conversation about the tragic attack on a Michigan Latter-day Saint congregation, the passing of President Russell M. Nelson, and the future of President Dallin H. Oaks. Together, they wrestle with questions of faith, politics, and identity, asking whether the church can rise to meet this moment of polarization with clarity and courage....

Oct 04, 20251 hr 16 minSeason 3Ep. 41

LIVESTREAM TONIGHT! 8:00 PM MOUNTAIN TIME!

Send us Fan Mail Tonight, we launch the Inside Out YouTube Channel with a livestream at 8:00 PM Mountain Time. We'll be talking about the passing of President Nelson, the tragic shooting in Michigan, and General Conference coming up, with speculation about what an Oaks presidency is likely to look like. We welcome your comments and participation! Just visit https://www.youtube.com/live/jY6belJfKsY or click here to participate!...

Oct 01, 20254 min

A Conversation with Bruce Butcher

Send us Fan Mail This episode discusses grief and suicide. Listener discretion is advised. Ian and Jim sit down with Bruce Butcher—a longtime listener and friend of the podcast—for a conversation that goes straight to the heart. Bruce shares his faith journey, family background, and mission experiences, but most poignantly, he opens up about the devastating loss of his son Taylor, who took his own life.

Sep 20, 20251 hr 9 minSeason 3Ep. 39

Lessons on Faith and Adaptation - with Greg Prince

Send us Fan Mail Greg Prince returns to Inside Out to continue exploring his roadmap for improving Mormonism. Together, Greg, Ian, and Jim tackle urgent issues facing the Church today—from toxic polarization and the need for prophetic voices to speak out, to women’s leadership, LGBTQ inclusion, and the long history of reactive rather than proactive change.

Sep 13, 20251 hr 12 minSeason 3Ep. 38

The Assassination of Charlie Kirk

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim have a conversation about the horrific assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.

Sep 11, 202550 minSeason 3Ep. 37

An Inconvenient Faith – A Conversation with Greg Prince

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim welcome back historian and author Greg Prince for a candid discussion about the newly released YouTube docuseries An Inconvenient Faith, which explores pressing issues facing members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — including polygamy, LGBTQ experiences, race, prophetic fallibility, women and authority, and the challenges of personal revelation.

Sep 06, 20251 hr 15 minSeason 3Ep. 36

Women and Authority - with Valerie Hamaker

Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Inside Out , Ian and Jim welcome back licensed professional counselor and host of the Latter-day Struggles podcast, Valerie Hamaker. Together, they dive into one of the most pressing questions facing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints today: Do women really have authority in the church—or only the authority men allow them to have?

Aug 30, 20251 hr 10 minSeason 3Ep. 35

A Conversation with Clayton Settle

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim welcome special guest Clayton Settle, a lifelong Latter-day Saint who shares his journey of faith, questions, and resilience. Clayton opens up about growing up in Corpus Christi, Texas, serving a mission in Nevada, and raising a family in Houston while staying actively involved in music callings at church. He also speaks candidly about the challenges he’s faced—particularly around polygamy, church history, and trust in leadership—and how he continues to navigate thos...

Aug 23, 20251 hr 20 minSeason 3Ep. 34

Boredom, Belief, and Bold Ideas for Change - with Greg Prince

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim welcome back one of their most popular guests, historian and author Greg Prince, for another deep dive into his roadmap for improving Mormonism. The conversation ranges from biblical literacy among Latter-day Saints to the Church’s historical aversion to higher criticism, the tension between science and scripture, and why boredom may be one of the institution’s biggest spiritual threats.

Aug 14, 20251 hr 15 minSeason 3Ep. 33

The Church Defenders Who Attack the Church

Send us Fan Mail A keynote. A controversy. And a defense you won’t hear anywhere else. Jim and Ian unpack the online backlash against Church Communications Director Aaron Sherinian after his FAIR conference appearance - tackling misquotes, double standards, and what it really means to sustain leaders.

Aug 09, 20251 hr 5 minSeason 3Ep. 32

Confronting the Origins of The Book of Mormon with Steven Pynakker

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim welcome back special guest Steven Pynakker, founder and host of the popular Mormon Book Reviews podcast. Together, they tackle one of the most audacious questions in the Restoration movement: Where did the Book of Mormon come from?

Aug 02, 20251 hr 22 minSeason 3Ep. 31

A Roadmap for Improving Mormonism (Part 1) – with Greg Prince

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim welcome back distinguished scholar and author Greg Prince to unpack his groundbreaking essay, A Roadmap for Improving Mormonism . What begins as a bold comparison between Vatican II and a proposed "Salt Lake I" turns into an expansive, candid discussion about grassroots revelation, institutional resistance to change, and the urgent need for moral authority within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints....

Jul 26, 20251 hr 1 minSeason 3Ep. 30

Heavenly Mothers

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim dive deep into one of Mormonism’s most sacred — and least discussed — doctrines: the existence of a Heavenly Mother… or perhaps, Heavenly Mothers. Triggered by a recent offhand comment by President Dallin H. Oaks, the discussion focuses on the theological, cultural, and historical complexities of polygamy in the afterlife and the implications of multiple divine wives.

Jul 20, 20251 hr 22 minSeason 3Ep. 29

Greg Prince Returns!

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim welcome back acclaimed historian and author Greg Prince for a follow-up conversation about the future of missionary work in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Together, they explore how the Church's immense resources—real estate, membership, and financial strength—can be leveraged to transform communities through service rather than traditional proselytizing.

Jul 13, 20251 hr 21 minSeason 3Ep. 28

A Conversation About Humanitarian Missions with Julie and Marty Newton

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim sit down with Jim's sister Julie Newton and her husband Marty Newton, who are serving as senior missionaries in Adelaide, Australia. Their mission? Not door-to-door proselytizing—but boots-on-the-ground humanitarian work across the country.

Jul 06, 20251 hr 1 minSeason 3Ep. 27

A Conversation with Greg Prince

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim sit down with acclaimed Mormon historian and scholar Greg Prince —author of David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism and other pivotal works—for a sweeping discussion on the past, present, and future of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Jun 28, 20251 hr 33 minSeason 3Ep. 26

John Taylor's 1886 Revelation

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim dive into a remarkable and quietly released document that’s now been added to the official Joseph Smith Papers archive: a revelation received by LDS Church President John Taylor in 1886—long believed by many to be apocryphal, forged, and/or suppressed.

Jun 22, 20251 hr 46 minSeason 3Ep. 25

A Conversation with Kirk Hays

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim sit down with a lifelong friend — Kirk Hays, former Scotland Edinburgh Mission AP and bishop turned humanitarian, artist, and TikTok influencer known as The Vagabond Artist . From his unexpected call to serve in Scotland in the 1980s to leading a ward as a non-believing bishop, Kirk shares his raw, honest, and often surprising story of wrestling with faith, church leadership, and personal integrity....

Jun 14, 20251 hr 21 minSeason 3Ep. 24

The Church, the Constitution, and the Cult of Trump

Send us Fan Mail In this bonus episode of Inside Out , Ian and Jim dive headfirst into today's explosive intersection of faith, politics, and morality. With Elon Musk accusing Donald Trump of being named in the Epstein files, the conversation turns to why so many Latter-day Saints still fervently support Trump. Can the Church stay neutral forever? And what would Jesus actually do?

Jun 07, 20251 hr 25 minSeason 3Ep. 23
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