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Inside Out with Jim Bennett and Ian Wilks

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The format of Inside Out is simple - Jim Bennett is still on the inside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and Ian Wilks is on the outside of the Church. Yet both care about the Church and its future, and both want to see constructive dialogue between those who stay and those who leave. Hopefully, all of us can come to a better understanding of the Church and of each other. 

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Episodes

Lessons from the Community of Christ

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim explore the bold steps taken by the Community of Christ—formerly the RLDS Church—in appointing its first female prophet-president, Stassi Cram, and reflect on how such actions contrast with the cautious approach of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Jun 05, 20251 hr 27 minSeason 3Ep. 22

A Conversation with Terryl Givens

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim welcome renowned scholar and author Terryl Givens for a candid conversation about evolving faith, historical transparency, and the role of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in a changing world.

May 31, 20251 hr 23 minSeason 3Ep. 21

Two Years of Inside Out

Send us Fan Mail In this special anniversary episode, Ian and Jim reflect on two years of Inside Out —the guests, the gratitude, and the gut-punch moments that have defined their journey

May 25, 20251 hr 6 minSeason 3Ep. 20

A New Pope!

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim discuss the election of Pope Leo the 14th and what it means for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

May 18, 20251 hr 2 minSeason 3Ep. 19

Women in the Church

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim discuss the history and the future of women in the Church.

May 11, 20251 hr 15 minSeason 3Ep. 18

Survey Says: The Sequel!

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim review a new Church survey asking about different ways people worship.

May 04, 20251 hr 21 minSeason 3Ep. 17

A Conversation with Lance Jackson

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim are joined by Lance Jackson, a champion hammer thrower, an accomplished opera singer, and a former bishop who discusses his experiences both in and out of the Church.

Apr 27, 20251 hr 43 minSeason 3Ep. 16

Evolution

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim discuss the Church's evolving position on organic evolution.

Apr 20, 20251 hr 18 minSeason 3Ep. 15

The Final Word on General Conference

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim recap General Conference and what parts stood out and which parts could have been an email.

Apr 13, 20251 hr 9 minSeason 3Ep. 15

A Conversation with Valerie Hamaker

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim are joined by Valerie Hamaker, host of the Latter Day Struggles podcast. She discusses her faith journey, her podcast, and the events that led to her resignation from the Church.

Apr 06, 20251 hr 12 minSeason 3Ep. 14

A Force for Good

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim swap stories about how the Church has been a profound blessing in their lives.

Mar 30, 20251 hr 6 minSeason 3Ep. 13

The Miracle of Forgiveness

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim discuss Spencer W. Kimball's book "The Miracle of Forgiveness" and the impact it has had on the Church.

Mar 22, 20251 hr 11 minSeason 3Ep. 12

A Conversation with Beth Magnetic

Send us Fan Mail Beth Magnetic, host of the YouTube channel "Death by Patriarchy," joins Ian and Jim for a fascinating discussion about the dark side of patriarchy, the Church's approach to mental health, and true crime stories in and out of the Church.

Mar 15, 20251 hr 6 minSeason 3Ep. 11

A Conversation with Daryl Watson

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim have a conversation with Ian's old friend Daryl Watson, who, along with his wife, recently served as a mission leader of the Belgium/Netherlands Mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Mar 09, 20251 hr 15 minSeason 3Ep. 10

Are We The Baddies?

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim discuss America's abandonment of Ukraine and what the Church's role ought to be as the world devolves into chaos.

Mar 01, 20251 hr 14 minSeason 3Ep. 9

Your Little Factory

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim discuss Elder Boyd K. Packer's infamous "To Young Men Only" pamphlet.

Feb 22, 20251 hr 10 minSeason 3Ep. 8

You Are Enough

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim explore the challenge of toxic perfectionism in the Church.

Feb 15, 20251 hr 6 minSeason 3Ep. 7

Survey Says: Part Three

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim finish answering all of the Church's survey questions.

Feb 08, 20251 hr 32 minSeason 3Ep. 6

Survey Says: Part Two

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim continue to review the Church's recent survey questions and come up with some surprising answers.

Feb 01, 20251 hr 18 minSeason 3Ep. 5

Survey Says: Part One

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim take a Church survey that was mistakenly sent to a larger audience than the Church intended. Part one of a series...

Jan 18, 20251 hr 8 minSeason 3Ep. 3

A Conversation about BYU with Sue Bergin

Send us Fan Mail Sue Bergin, a former BYU adjunct faculty member, was one of the few people willing to go on the record for the Salt Lake Tribune's groundbreaking article about BYU's current hiring and firing practices. She joins Ian and Jim to tell her story and discuss what's happening at BYU.

Jan 10, 20251 hr 28 minSeason 3Ep. 2

Plural Marriage in Primary

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim greet the New Year with a discussion about plural marriage being included in this year's Primary manual.

Jan 04, 20251 hr 20 minSeason 3Ep. 1

James Burnham Returns!

Send us Fan Mail With Jim on vacation, Ian welcomes James Burnham back to Inside Out, as he shares some more of his unique perspectives and two new songs!

Dec 28, 20241 hr 15 minSeason 2Ep. 47

Christmas

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim discuss the blessings and opportunities of Christmas, in and out of the Church.

Dec 22, 20241 hrSeason 2Ep. 46

Change in an Unchanging Church

Send us Fan Mail Last week's episode was a reminder that some in the Church continue to believe things the Church no longer teaches, which prompted Ian and Jim to discuss how to deal with change in a Church that paradoxically teaches both continuing revelation and unchanging doctrine at the same time.

Dec 13, 20241 hr 21 minSeason 2Ep. 45

A Conversation with Marcus Hutber

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim are joined by Marcus Hutber, who, as a missionary, brought Ian Wilks into the Church back in the day. The robust discussion largely focuses on why Black people were denied the priesthood and temple blessings prior to 1978.

Dec 06, 20241 hr 34 minSeason 2Ep. 44

A Conversation with Andrew and Carline Patterson

Send us Fan Mail Andrew and Carline Patterson served alongside Ian when he was the bishop in the Dalkeith Ward in Scotland. They share their story as to what led them to join the Church and then what led them to walk away from the Church.

Nov 30, 20241 hr 25 minSeason 2Ep. 43

Heretic: The Inside Out Review

Send us Fan Mail Ian and Jim review the horror film Heretic , which features Latter-day Saint sister missionaries in the starring roles. Warning: Spoilers aplenty!

Nov 22, 20241 hr 29 minSeason 2Ep. 42
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