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Inside Cyber Diplomacy

Center for Strategic and International Studieswww.csis.org
A periodic look at how diplomacy and negotiation shape international cybersecurity. This podcast is made possible by the generous support of the Cyber Security Agency of Singapore and the Estonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Episodes

A Long Way from Morse Code: Digital Governance and the ITU

In this episode, hosts James Lewis and Chris Painter are joined by Secretary General of the ITU Doreen Bogdan Martin. They discuss the breadth of issues the ITU tackles, diplomatic challenges and how to co-ordinate digital governance.

Dec 17, 202439 min

2024 Retrospective: A First Look

In this episode hosts James Lewis and Chris Painter discuss the year that was (so far) in cyber diplomacy including: Volt Typhoon and Iran Hacking The UN Cybercrime Convention Counter Ransomware Initiative State Department’s Cyberspace and Digital Policy Bureau

Dec 11, 202419 min

How to Make Cyber Policy a Headline in Brussels

In this episode hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk to Estonia's former ambassador at large for cyber diplomacy Heli Tirmaa-Klaar. They discuss the IT coalition’s work on the ‘future of warfare’ in Ukraine, NATO and EU collaboration, and the state of the UN’s work on cyber.

Aug 27, 202442 min

Inside the State Department’s Cyber Strategy: A Conversation with Adam Segal

In this episode, hosts James Lewis and Chris Painter speak to guest Adam Segal, Senior Advisor for International Cyber and Digital Strategy Policy in The State Department’s Bureau of Cyberspace and Digital Policy. They discuss the global reactions to the International Cyberspace and Digital Policy Strategy, (even China’s and Russia’s) and what ‘digital solidarity’ really means.

Jul 26, 202439 min

The UN Ad Hoc Cybercrime Negotiations: The End Is Nigh, Or Is It?

In this episode, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter engage in a dynamic conversation with return guest Ambassador (ret.) Deborah McCarthy. She shares insights, as the lead negotiator for the United States, on the status and prospects for the proposed United Nations Cybercrime Treaty.

May 01, 202440 min

Cyber, Civil Society and Spyware with Ron Deibert

In the first episode of the year, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk to professor, philosopher and founder of the Citizen Lab, Ronald Deibert. Together they discuss how cyber fits into civil society, spyware, and the privatization of clandestine operations.

Apr 18, 202443 min

2023 Year in Review

In the last episode of the season, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter recap the cyber diplomacy developments of 2023. They cover: The UN The OEWG The POA Cyber Crime Convention The Counter Ransomware Initiative The need for accountability Capacity building The reality of cyber negotiations

Jan 03, 202430 min

Shaping Global Partnerships for a Secure Digital Future

In this episode Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Leonard Rolland, Head of International Cybersecurity Policy at the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs. They discuss the current state of play in cyber diplomacy and the importance of global partnerships for advancing responsible state behavior in cyberspace.

Dec 07, 202341 min

A New Strategy for Digital Diplomacy

In this episode, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with the U.S. Ambassador at Large for Cyberspace and Digital Policy Nathaniel C. Fick. They discuss the inseparable relationship between tech and foreign policy, what issues the bureau is focusing on right now and reflect on Ambassador Fick’s first year in this inaugural role.

Oct 23, 202343 min

Enhancing Cyber Operations through Partner Capacity Development

In this episode, Jim and Chris speak with Mark Montgomery, senior director of the Center on Cyber and Technology Innovation at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. They discuss his latest report “Building Partner Capabilities for Cyber Operations," what cyber resilience really means and the role of U.S. federal agencies in all of this.

Sep 28, 202335 min

The Proposed United Nations Cybercrime Convention

In this episode, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Ambassador (ret.) Deborah McCarthy, the lead negotiator for the United States on the proposed United Nations cybercrime convention, which seems to be going so well the Russians probably regret proposing it. The discussion covers the state of negotiations, the effect of the e-Evidence and CLOUD Act, multi-stakeholder participation, and more.

Aug 07, 202354 min

Implementing Cyber Confidence-Building Measures

In this episode, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Szilvia Tóth, Cyber Security Officer at the Secretariat of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE). They discuss the implementation of cyber confidence-building measures, points of contact directories, inter-regional cooperation, what’s next for the OSCE, and more. OSCE Cyber/ICT Security Confidence-Building Measures

Mar 07, 202336 min

Capacity Building and Cyber Resilience

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Kerry-Ann Barrett, Cybersecurity Program Manager for the Organization of American States (OAS), Secretariat of the Inter-American Committee against Terrorism, and Secretariat for Multidimensional Security. They discuss national cybersecurity strategies, the importance of intelligent capacity building, norms and accountability, what’s next for the OAS, and more.

Feb 13, 202342 min

2022 in Review

In this episode, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter review the evolution of cyber in 2022. In 30 minutes, they cover the year’s cyber developments as well as upcoming cyber initiatives and priorities, touching on topics including: Cyber in Ukraine Negotiations in the United Nations The UN GGE and OEWG The State Department’s launch of the Bureau of Cyberspace and Digital Policy Regional organizations Capacity building Enforcing norms Transparency about cyber initiatives Cyber initiatives in the United S...

Jan 19, 202332 min

Placing Cyber Diplomacy at the Top of the Agenda

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with William Middleton, Cyber Director of the United Kingdom’s Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office. They discuss the direction of UK cyber policy, international cooperation, next steps in the United Nations, and the links between cyber and development.

Aug 15, 202248 min

The Cyber Real World and Multilateralism

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter interview Isaac Morales Tenorio, Mexico’s Coordinator for Multidimensional Security. They discuss cyber from a Mexican perspective, regional and multilateral processes, capacity-building programs, implementing the United Nations norms and framework, and more.

Jun 23, 202249 min

Cybersecurity from the Hill: A Discussion with Congressman Langevin

In the first episode of season two, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Congressman Jim Langevin on his cybersecurity work in congress and what he envisions for the future of cyber diplomacy. They discuss domestic cybersecurity efforts, such as creating a Joint Collaborative Environment (JCE) within CISA's JCDC, institutionalizing cyber diplomacy in the State Department, Russia, international norms in cyberspace, and more.

Jun 03, 202255 min

2021 in Review: All Things Cyber

In the last episode of this season of Inside Cyber Diplomacy, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter review the cyber developments of 2021. In 40 minutes, they cover the evolution and maturation of cyber in the US and internationally, including: Cybersecurity becoming a political priority The UN GGE and OEWG Three UN initiatives to look out for: The new OEWG The program of action for regular institutional dialogue The new cybercrime convention negotiations Cyber in the UN Security Council Leadership and in...

Dec 17, 202141 min

Cybersecurity and the UN Disarmament Agenda

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Under-Secretary-General and High Representative for Disarmament Affairs, Izumi Nakamitsu. They discuss the UN First Committee efforts on cybersecurity and the broader disarmament agenda, how these negotiations fit with other initiatives in the UN, and the future implications of successful GGE and OEWG meetings.

Oct 15, 202143 min

Cyber Rule Making and Implementation

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ambassador Takeshi Akahori, former Ambassador for Cyber Policy of Japan and current Ambassador for Climate Change Negotiations. They discuss cyber rule making, the applicability of international law in cyberspace, and Japan's role in the UN negotiations.

Sep 10, 202145 min

The Ransomware Episode with Ciaran Martin

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ciaran Martin, Professor of Practice in the Management of Public Organisations at Oxford University, and former Chief Executive of the U.K. National Cyber Security Centre. They discuss the difficulties in tackling ransomware, ways to counter Russian aggression, UK / EU relations after Brexit, and the importance of technology innovation and cooperation with allies.

Aug 20, 20211 hr

Berlin's Cyber Diplomacy

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Germany's Cyber Ambassador Regine Grienberger. They discuss the work being done on cyber from a German and European perspective, the importance of capacity-building, and the hopes and expectations for the work ahead.

Jul 06, 202151 min

Special Edition: Cyber at the Summits

In this special edition of Inside Cyber Diplomacy, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter break down the discussions on cyber that took place last week during the G7, NATO, U.S.-EU, and U.S.-Russia summits.

Jun 23, 202135 min

Reaching Consensus at the UN GGE

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ambassador Guilherme Patriota, Brazil's Consul General in Mumbai and Chair of the UN GGE on Advancing responsible State behavior in cyberspace in the context of international security. They discuss the influence his past negotiating experience had in how he chaired the group, how they had to adjust to negotiating during Covid to achieve a consensus report, and whether his future plans will involve ICTs.

Jun 21, 202152 min

A Guide to the UN GGE

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Michele Markoff, Heli Tiirma-Klaar, and Johanna Weaver about the recently concluded UN GGE. They discuss how the group managed to get consensus on this new report, the progress made on international law and norms as they apply to cyberspace, and how the process compared to the parallel OEWG.

Jun 11, 202151 min

Behind the Scenes: Australia’s Approach to UN Negotiations

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Johanna Weaver, Special Adviser to Australia’s Ambassador for Cyber Affairs, Australia’s independent expert to the UN's GGE on Responsible State Behavior in Cyberspace; and Head of the Australian Delegation to UN's OEWG on ICT Security. They discuss the challenges Covid presented to negotiations, the importance of raising awareness on the UN framework, and the impact of women in cyber.

Jun 04, 202154 min

The AU and ICTs for Development

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Moctar Yedaly, Africa Program Director for the GFCE, and former Head of the Information Society department within the African Union Commission. They discuss internet shutdowns, the need for high-level political interest and attention to the issues of ICTs, and the value of including more stakeholders in multilateral negotiations.

May 21, 202147 min

Bridging the Diplomacy and Technology Communities with Ambassador Amandeep Gill

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ambassador Amandeep Gill, Director of the Global Health Centre project on International Digital Health & AI Research Collaborative (I-DAIR). They discuss the transformative power of digital technologies and the importance of using human-centric benchmarks when applying AI to health.

Apr 30, 202150 min

A Diplomacy Master Class with Ambassador Lauber

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ambassador Jürg Lauber, Permanent Representative of Switzerland to the United Nations and other Organizations in Geneva. They discuss his work as Chair of the OEWG, how his previous UN experience helped him increase engagement in the process, and where to go from here.

Apr 23, 202149 min