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That's LinkedIn.com slash results. Terms and conditions apply. The word inches come up, I can't resist. Hello and welcome to In The Pocket. My name's Johnny. And my name's Chris. To totally average bass players, I want you here to talk all about that bass. As well as answering your questions at home each week, we take a look at the latest news, break down some turns to give you the lowdown on the low end. Chris, my dear, how are the devil are you this week?
I am doing absolutely wonderful, Johnathan Debel. It has been a lovely day for me today. I've done absolutely nothing. How about you? Oh, that's excellent. Lovely, I love doing nothing. I wish I could do nothing. I have been at work all day. For the 9 to 5, baby. What a way to make a living. I know, right. I'm basically Dolly. So, yeah, just not that exciting to be honest. But it's, I've got one more day and then a day off. And then it's like the last day of term. Where it works. Oh, yes.
Sighting stuff. I work all year round. It doesn't mean anything to me, but it's like, oh, woo, like a celebration kind of day. So, I mean, this is, I don't see how this is best relevant. But I'm going to ask it anyway, hard hitting journalism. So, you don't work like teachers do. Do you not have six weeks off? No, no, I work all year round, which is kind of better. I've worked holiday, I've worked time time before, and it sucks. It sucks, man. Oh, okay. It's good for that.
We're who, six weeks off, but then, no, I'd rather, you get bored. I'd rather have the, be able to book it off whenever I want. But anyway, there we go. Maybe one day, be able to do base stuff full time, and then you don't have to worry about any of that. I could just do it whatever I want, whatever I want. It's not going to be fun. Exactly. Do what I do. Have the opportunities to do it whenever you want. Don't do it. And then panic that you haven't done it.
What a wonderful world pool of anxiety and dread. Exactly. Dolly never sang about any of that. Did she? Tell me. Tell me Mr. Dibble. What best related things have you been up to this week? This week, I actually met up with our friends and friend of the podcast, Matt Parker. And we recorded a lovely video together in person doing like a bit of a blindfold test of all my bases. So he was playing them.
I was blindfolded, and we were playing a game to see if I could, I could tell what was what, basically. Just based on sound alone and almost rank them as well and saying what I like and don't like along the way. And it was really interesting. Hearing someone else play your bases through your rig is really strange. But Matt did a great job and yeah, it was good fun. At the time of recording, the video is, well, time for release. Sorry, should I say. The video is out now.
So you can go and check it out on my YouTube channel. But yeah, super, super fun. That's pretty much it for me. I think what about yourself, young man? I was just picturing you, blindfolded and got completely spaced out then. Anyway, so I, what have I done? It's wedding season. So lots of weddings and all that jazz for me. Time of recording for us, we are on Tuesday, right? I hope it's Tuesday. I did a couple of weddings over the weekend. Dip a jam nut gig, two different weddings.
Bawth in the North West and Bawth under an hour and a half away in the car, which is an absolute blessing in my line of work. I can tell you that. And then on Sunday, I slept terribly for reasons I can't quite understand. And then was driven to Wales for a festival that I did with my friend Tom. We have a band called Tom Baren on the Players Club. It's very good. But of course, I am biased because you know, I'm in the band.
And we played at this festival and let's say it was a humbling experience because you know when people say they played to no one. Usually they mean like four or five people, you know, someone's girlfriend, the sound guy, a couple of people who work at the venue, couple of stragglers. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We played to no one. Well, actually, we played to the sound man who was actually on my left. Not off, was not even in the audience. But, uh, but yeah, we had a good time.
It was a fun gig. We all have a lot of fun together. It was a logistical disaster. God, I hope he's listening. Lewis, the drummer, tunes into this podcast, which is very nice. So shout out, Lewis. This is your well overdue shout out because you've been grilling me for months about this. He was told by the festival organizers. His shells would be provided. So kick, Tom's. Oh, and I think he was told to provide everything else.
So the lovely, lovely Lewis showed up with his snorke, his stool, his stands, and his symbols. We got there. And the front of our sky, the rental crew that are rented in the PA said, no, no, no, no, no drums. Yeah, mate. So, um, agony. So we had to improvise and we got the snorkeletons. It's a little SN57 on the snorkeletons. Yeah. Some random microphones trying to catch one symbol. And then we borrowed from the guy who was on after us, one of those acoustic stomp boxes. Oh my gosh.
You know that people stamp on to play. Let's just say it wasn't the best live kick drum I've ever heard. But we got through it. Let's call it that. They were all everyone who worked at the festival was very nice. The free people we met were very lovely. And they gave us some free beer, which is always nice. And then we went home. We were on really early as well. We were on at 1 p.m., which was lovely. And I got home at 7 and went to sleep at half past 7.
So that's been my, my best journey for the week. Excellent. Well, I hope that wasn't, it sounded like it wasn't as stressful as it could have been. But that sounds like a disaster overall. I can't think of anything worse. In fact, of turning up, I'm just not having the things that you were promised to have. We've had it before. Yeah. We've had it before when like, cabs haven't been there or something. And we've made do in some ways.
But the whole drum kit essentially, jeez, I thought he was going to say like, we had to go around someone's house, get the pots and pans out, play in those, the big saucepan. Well, we were in Snowdoni, a national park. So there wasn't anyone. Oh my god. I wanted to, because I saw, you sent me a video of this. And oh my god, it looked lovely. But I thought, what was on the ground? I'm guessing it was like kind of snowy there, right? Was it? No, that was gravel. That was gravel.
That was hard rock. Not the genre, the, put those horns down. Not, not, not the genre, the, the substance, the building material, if you will. Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting. But, you know, we had a good time. I know I talked about this podcast a lot about like, I mourned too much for my own good. But we actually all had a really good time. We were kind of just like, laughing our way through it.
And between every song, Tom Yeld, Hello, Glastonbury, at the top of his lungs, which was so incredibly funny. Oh, and then he absolutely chucked it down. So, so, so, neural DSP, if you're listening, you'd be pleased to know that the quad cortex is indeed reinproof. And I don't mean like, a drizzle. I mean like, oh crap, we should cover this over. We ended up putting tarpaulin all over the pedalboards and the monitors anywhere.
But for a good two minutes, they were getting hammered with real, real red. And it appeared to be fine. So that's good. Although one of my patch cables broke. So that's a bit disappointing. I'm amazed that you were okay with that. I would be like, oh my god, no, move it right now. Yeah, it was one of those where it was like, I was very ill. I did not feel good. I was at the crest, the peak of a cold. So I was barely hanging on. But I thought, you can hang on for a few seconds until I move it.
And then there was some sheets got covered over and then it appeared to be fine. But yeah, I like to think a product like that could be rainproof. Maybe it can't, but we'll see. But so far, so good for the weather at least. Excellent stuff. Well, lovely. Well, it sounds like could have been worse. The least just spirits were high. Yeah, we always, we hate gigs like that. We turn up and it's just like a paid for practice essentially. I know there are many of those in my time.
But the one I did recently didn't, it wasn't as quite as bad as that. That's okay. There we go. Shall we move on to our first question? I think we should do just that. Don't take the piss. Join me to leave that video. If you want. Don't take the piss. Dic it. It is time for question numero uno. Hit me with it. I like this one. Headless basses. Ye on e. And this cheeky monkey, whoever they are, has actually technically asked to follow up question, but worded it as a statement.
So, headless basses, ye on e. And your opinion on the Ibanez. Deep breath. E, H, B, 1, 0, 0, 0, 5, S, M, S. Short scale, five string. Do you want to break this into two parts? Because I think it's kind of, it is two questions in my opinion. Would you like to go first? Yes, yes, I'd love to go first. So, if you'd asked me like a year ago, at short scale, oh god, what am I talking about? I'll talk about the short scale in a minute. Headless basses. I think actually, it's a yes from me.
It depends on what the bass is like. Like, I wouldn't like just like a headless P bass or something stupid like that. It has to really fit. I would say. Would you? Yeah, why not? Because it'd be awful. Nah, not necessarily. All right, man, is this going to turn into a big bass debate? We're going to like... They could do. We can carry this on at the end if you want. This isn't the part where we argue. This is the part we just agree in acting to. Yeah, that's earlier in the podcast.
Headless basses. Yeah, but I'm all for it. It's not a journey. Jesus, I'm going to lose my head. Get it? Do you get it? Oh, nice. All right, keep your head up. So, headless basses, yeah, yeah, I like them. I think they're cool. I'd love to have one one day. I think it would take me a long time to get used to it, though. I'd be like, going to tune and be like, oh, what's going on? But I think they're cool.
I have to say, and this kind of links into the follow-up question, that it was the Ibanez DHB series that really turned my head to headless basses, because before I was like, in kind of indifferent. But when that came out, I was like, oh, yeah. Yep, that just like suits it so well and looks so good. So, I'll talk more about the specific basses, talking about in a minute, but yeah, that bass really pun, not intended, turned my head towards headless basses. Very nice.
We will transition into that particular Ibanez in just a moment, because it was also the EHB series that turned my head, pun intended towards headless basses. I very nearly bought one. I really, really nearly bought one in 2020. We've talked about it before. Remember. I asked, I went to the PMT in Manchester. They'd brought one in for me to try. And I think I would have bought it if it wasn't for the fact that, basically, this would have been June time 2020. So, we're talking hardcore pandemic.
The shops open, but they're only letting like five people in at a time. And if you've been to PN, if you've not been to PMT in Manchester, it's really big. Like, it's a really big shop. So, they were only letting like five people in. You could not touch anything unless they, like, you know, it was like pre-agreed. You were calling. And you could only, they're only letting you touch the thing that you said you'd come into look at. That kind of thing.
And I think the slight pressure of the scenario I was in was just enough to make me go, yeah, maybe I don't want to buy this. You know, I think a little bit of my brain wanted to leave the shop. Yeah, yeah, like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I enjoyed the bass, but also, I wasn't too familiar with a five string at the time as well. Never really played one that much. So, that was a bit weird. So, that plus the scenario and the environment made me not pull the trigger in the end.
But yeah, headless basses, I really like one. I would really like a status graphite in the future. Headless one. That's cool. 100%. I lived to wine people up. So, I would absolutely love to play in a wedding band with a headless bass just to watch people be like, what the hell is that? I think the great. The tuning thing doesn't bother me. And I'll tell you why. In my former life as a guitar player, I had a guitar with a Floyd Rose tremolo.
And if you don't know, what you do with Floyd Rose tremolo is you lock the top nut like you would with a headless bass. And you fine tune it at the bottom where the bridge is. So, basically, I was already used to that mechanic because 15-year-old me had been doing that for a few years. Anyway, so yeah, headless basses, big films up for me. The in regards to the short scale 5 string, there's not too much I can say on this one because I've never played short scale bass.
Minus that bass six, that Matt Parker brought around once. But I was, I was yet to be convinced by the land of the bass six, as we know. Bit of a difference. A kettle of fish as well, the bass six, I think. Yes, oh yeah, of course, yeah. But I'm not used to a short scale bass. I don't know how a five string short scale plays at all, but well, I'm going to ask you about that in a second. And yeah, I can't comment because I've got no understanding of how that instrument is put together.
But I imagine it'd be pretty good, really. Johnny, you met up with our dear friend Matt Parker, who gets a lot of shout outs on this podcast. How did you find his short scale 5 string compared to a normal five string? So I've actually played his short scale five string before, when we went to the Birmingham guitar show together. You did, yes, of course. Yeah, so that's when I first played it. And it's exactly how he described it really. It kind of definitely adds its own character.
It doesn't feel like a super floppy like B string, like you'd kind of expect. Yeah, and that's what I think this bass as well, but the Ibanez in question gets right because it's actually a multi scale. So it's not a short scale on that B string. It's a 32. So it's a medium scale on the B, and then a 30 inch scale on the G. So that one would be even better. And is a 30 inch scale the normal scale length for a short scale? That's right.
Yeah, so normally it's 34 for a full scale, 32 for a medium and 30 inch for a short scale and then two inch for Chris Hawkes. Oh, my God. I got it. The worst part is the worst part is I saw your eyes. I saw your devious little, little West Country face. I thought that when you thought I'm going to, I'm going to zing in. I'm going to zing in. The ding. The word inches come up. I can't resist. I simply can't resist a good inch. Oh my gosh. But yeah, that Ibanez, I'm for it.
I think that that helps it even more. And it comes in like the emerald green or the gray. I actually think the gray is really cool. Yeah, the only thing I don't like about these ones so much is it's got the cheaper Bartolini pickups in it, I think. And I've played the long scale version of this with those. And I wasn't that blown away by them. If I were to get one of these, and I wish it was a five string or six string, I would get the EHB1506MS. But if that six was a five, please.
This in same black ice flat finish they call it. But it's like a crazy bull with Nord strand pickups as well instead. Just looks incredible with this popular bell top. If you check the chat, Chris, you cut this back out. If you want, I have sent you a link to it. No, we're going to do a live reaction. Oh boy. Which I'm not into. Oh, I remember this well. Yes, absolutely. That is lovely. It's insane. That is very, very.
I think a good base needs to, what you need to look at it and go, oh, that would be a nice kitchen worktop. That's how that's my thoughts on it. Oh, 100%. Oh, like that's got some nice marble. It's always got some nice marble. Oh, did I tell you how I remember the difference between Bartolini and Nord strand? Because obviously one is regarded as a little bit better than the other. I mean, that's subjective, Chris.
But yes, no. Well, the people, well, the people whose opinions I value on the matter, are AKA smarter people, call it Bartolini, Bartolini, and then Nord strand. Great. I like it. Bartolini, if you're listening, I am sure your pickups are great. I have played Niva product and I'm more than happy to be bribed. I mean, convinced that your product is the best one. I've only had two playing experiences with Bartolini. It's not like them.
But I hear that that is because it is the cheaper ones that I've played, not their high end ones, which meant to be like, I mean, that doesn't make sense. I mean, that doesn't, you know what I found out the other day. I found out all seem more Duncan pickups are hand wound. Are they really? Or was it the quality control is still hand done? It was something that made me go, oh wow, yeah, wow. That's pretty good for something of that product pricing.
It's funny how that really like obviously makes a difference because of price. But like, then we go, that's really cool. Like a person has done that. Like I find it fascinating that Ashdown is such a small company. Yeah. Such a small set up with like hardly any people working there. And you think of like, Ashdown, big name in the big sound world. Hmm. Wild. Wild. There we go. It is interesting and also we'll get back around to it in a minute.
But there was a there was a lot of Ashdown knocking around at Glastonbury. I would like to add. Bit of a, oh, bit of a, let's talk about that in a minute. Should we hurt our way towards that section now by moving on? Yes, let's move on to not that section, but the section before it. Oh, boy. I can't believe I'm saying this. It's question two already. That's right, Johnny. It's no news this week.
Oh, my G. Oh, and God. Would you like to explain to the people why there is not really any news this week? Oh, yeah, sure. Because it's just been pretty quiet. Glastonbury's been on. It's probably not a great time to announce things in the music world right now. So just pretty quiet. So we thought we'd just give it a miss this week and just crack on with your questions, isn't it? We can just crack on. So that's why we're in question two.
Question two, advice for someone new to and skirt of playing with others and no local jam nights. I mean, there's no question mark at the end, but I think we should answer it anyway. Yes. It's just a statement that is advice, advice to follow, apparently. Yeah, it's like an article headline or something. So this is, and I can kind of relate to this question. So I thought it was quite a good one.
Because I still sometimes get a bit of like about playing with some people like, I don't know why, but I feel I go really up and down whether I'm comfortable just like straight up jamming. And you're the opposite of this because I thought it's going to be interesting for you as well because you go to and you know, you're you're weekly jam night. Very true. As someone who it's like, you're all you're just cut out then. So I assume there's a follow up question. Very true.
As someone who every Thursday for the last, oh, well, over a year has been the house based player for a jam night. You would think I am very much up for a jam at all times and I'm very, very comfortable playing with complete strangers. However, I'm really, really not. I tell you why. I'm so glad about this, but yeah, go on. There are, of course, I'd say most of the time I'm pretty well up for it.
Part of my job is a lot of the time I am playing with people that I've never met before and I very quickly need to get along with and play a gig, whether it is a jam night and we're only going to play for like 10 minutes together and then I might never speak to this person again. Or it's a wedding band we're about to play for about three hours together, playing lots and lots of material. Got it. We get along.
That kind of thing or we've been sat in a car for a few hours and then we're going to play a gig. You know, the other week I met up with a guy like a pickup point, a housing estate near me and we both drove in a car together for three hours, played a wedding and drove for three hours back home. So we were together for about about 11 hours I'm going to say. So you've got to be good with people as what I'm saying.
But even someone who jams with people as much as I do, sometimes you really don't want to do it. I think it's part of how solshable you are feeling at that particular moment. I have, I got days on end where I don't want to speak to another human being. But that's just how I'm put together really. Difficult to say about advice about being scared of playing with others. I mean, the first thing to say is you don't have to. You definitely know ones making you play over people if you don't want to.
I've got quite a lot of mates who are really good guitar players who just sit it on and learn songs because they want to. They are never going to gig. They don't want to play with other people. They don't want to film anything or post on social media to them. It's just a hobby and they like doing it and they do it at home. They do it at home. They have fun. They put it away and then they've got to work or something like that.
So if you're, again, I don't know this person, if you're scared of doing this because you feel like you have to, you definitely don't have to. No one's making you do that. But if you want to and you're nervous, it doesn't help to be, you know, it can't help to be prepared. That's usually always a good example I like to say. It be as prepared as you possibly can. If you're, you know what, I was going to say go to a jam night and learn everything before and really practice.
But if there's no local jam nights to you, that obviously makes it a little bit trickier because that's a really easy way into meet other people, I mean, educate me here. Educate me here, Chris. How does a jam night actually work then? Because in my head, I'm like, no, no, it's what they're going to do when they turn up. They just jam, you know. So, okay. How does that work?
Because from my perspective, that if you're worried about playing with others, the idea of a jam night is just so far away from, you know, that's like the other end of the scale I would have thought. Like, you've got to be super comfortable playing with other people to do a jam night, surely, unless I'm missing something. So, can you, can you, can you, it's okay? Well, you are still, you know, you are still playing in front of other people that can be, that can make you nervous.
You're still playing to other musicians. Again, that's going to make, that could make you nervous. I'll tell you what, the way our jam network is, you've got the house band, but more importantly, you show up, you write your name on a clipboard, and you say what instrument you play, wherever you sing or not, and you write down, we ask you to write free songs down. And then, at some point in the evening, we will call your name up once we've got to you on the list.
Usually we do first come first serve, and you get up and we play your free songs. In a perfect world, that person has got there with enough time for me to run into the back room, and at the very least, listen to the song you want to play once, and then scour the internet for chords, and try and kind of like, oh, the bass kind of sounds like this. I've kind of got to learn your song in the length of the song, which sometimes you can do, sometimes you can't do.
We do get people coming in asking for things that, like, I'm sorry, we can't play that. If you want, we can learn it, and you can come back next week and we'll play it. But you do get the odd person who can't give over. No one here can play that. Well, I've had a lot of guys ask to get up and sing rush songs, and we've been like, what the hell is wrong with you? A lot of lead zetplains, obviously, and apart from the obvious ones, lead zetplains are actually really hard on bass.
But, yes, what you do, you put your name down, you just jump up, there's no pressure. If you mess up, you mess up, no one cares. And we've had it where people have messed up, and people in the audience have been less than nice about that person messing up. And the whole room is verbally abused and for it, which is really nice. Because it's just a zero expectations, just get up and have fun. We're in the house band and we mess up all the time.
Because sometimes someone gets up and asks to play a song like we did. What's the Beatles song? Oh, we did, don't let me down by the Beatles, which famously has a bar of five at the end of the chorus. And Muggins here, just completely forgot. Just no idea. Just kept coming in a full bar early and everyone was like, come on, man, it's don't let me down. And I'm like, yeah, well, sorry, what are you going to do, eh? Call it just call me Paul, he said. Exactly. Oh, ringer.
Anyway, yeah, but no local jam nuts is a tricky one because I would say jam nuts are great opportunity to get down. Are there any like open mic nights or anything like that? At the worst, worst possible option, maybe you've got some pals, you can just all meet up one day at someone's house. You know, again, no expectations. It's just invite your mates around and if you play for two minutes and then watch telly for four hours, that's still a win.
Yeah. Or you all sit round and play songs you like all night, that's cool too. If I may offer a bit of advice though, apart as it comes to being scared of playing with other people or being on stage, best advice I ever got was literally just feel the fear and do it anyway, because if you try to, right, if you ever been to a swimming pool and the water's
really cold and you do the thing where you go down the ladder one foot at a time, you try to acclimatise and it just seems to be getting colder, you get up to your knees, it's the worst thing in the world, you get to the bit that's between your legs and even worse. That's the equivalent of the gig, I think, the worst bit. Exactly. Yeah, so dipping your toes in is agonising, but if you just think, oh, sod it and you do a running dive bomb, yeah, it's horrible for about half a second.
And then you go, oh, it's okay, unless it actually is really cold and you get hyperthermia, but that's a very different story. But the point I was making is, if you're able to get on stage and if you know what you're going to play, learn the song, there's no harm in over learning it, I've got an audition for something in a week and a half and I've been sent two songs and I already know the two songs. Am I playing each song 10 times a day because I really want to win the audition?
Yes, I am. There's nothing wrong with that. Just being all prepared is a pretty good habit I'd say to get into, especially as a musician. Yeah, I hope that helps. Johnny, have you got anything to add to that? Because it is a tricky one. I think that was excellent advice coming from someone who deals with what I think are quite stressful playing situations often when you're not giving much time to learn them.
I myself am an over learner and hate going into something not practiced enough or unprepared. My brain just doesn't work that way. I'm like, oh, no thanks. And I understand the feeling of being scared of playing with others because ultimately you're afraid that I'm assuming that you're afraid that you're going to make a mistake in front of somebody else who's then going to judge you for that mistake. Musicians make mistakes all the time. No, we don't. Not real musicians.
And sometimes that is not even remotely true. Sometimes that is like the thing that makes live music good. Sometimes it's like, I don't know, just that kind of feeling, not like blatant cocaps where it sounds awful, but like a little bit so they're not quite like the original or something like that is fine. And I think that you do just have to, I personally would like to get in a practice room with people for a long time before taking something out on to a gig.
And that's how I've always done bands and things like that. I think the advice of doing it with someone you know is really good or something that you can lead on maybe. If you're like, oh, can we do this song, the one that you know really well, and start that way perhaps.
Instead of jumping in the deep end and learning a little stuff you're not comfortable with, maybe looking at introducing some ones in it like a covers band of songs that you do know and that you enjoy and getting through it that way, kind of easing yourself in in a way. If you're in that position of control or can be. So yeah, I think great advice, Chris. And I hope that I've added... As a person with a very deep voice, I'm hired all the time for advertising campaigns.
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Some negative advice in there too, among my roundlings. But yeah, good luck, I say. And let's know how you get on. Absolutely, good luck. And I promise you, I absolutely promise you. One, you're not as bad as you think you are. Because we are all, well, no, I am. Our worst critics, absolutely. And I know this is true because I have lots of videos of me playing at the stage where I have messed up. There is a video looking at me messing up. And I've gone back through the footage and gone.
I'm struggling to see the mistake or hear the mistake. And I am looking at me while I make the mistake. That's how minuscule some of the errors you'll make on stage can be. But we talked about this when Daisy was on a few weeks ago. You know, you'll do one mistake and be like, I am the worst best player ever. This is terrible. I should be ashamed that I even think I can play this instrument. And then someone else next to you'll go, don't have a really good time then, you're sounding great.
Yeah. And you're like, I have ruined this whole thing. Everyone looking at me right now thinks I am such an idiot. You know, I get that, it gigs all the time. I'm like, I've messed that up. That like people are, they're all eyes on me right now. Because they heard that I played that not quite right. Yeah. In all seriousness, it's like nobody knows at all. Yeah, at all. Exactly. The blessing of the bass player. Yeah, absolutely. No one even knows whether, should we move on? Let us do that.
Johnny, I think this is going to be the quickest podcast we've ever done. Potentially. Boy. But that's okay because I can drag this next bit for ages. It's time for the bass player. The big bass debate. Johnny, would you like to tell the people what we are not necessarily debating more like I'm fangirling over? Yes. This is the brand new section. We've not done it before. It's the Lizzo Appreciation section of the podcast. Yeah, queen. Yeah, slay. Where each week we break down a Lizzo bass.
No, we're not doing that. But that would be actually mint. That's the side part coming soon. The actual thing we're going to be talking about is kind of Lizzo Related because it is a glassed and pretty. Glassed and Vespa has just finished at time recording. We're still getting over some of those incredible scenes that were there and the set. I've got multiple people I know that went. I'm in summer set as where I live.
So it's literally, it's like probably for me, I think it's like a 45 minute drive maybe for me to get to get to the festival site, I think. And yeah, but I've never been. Never been before still. Ooh, it's right doing the road. It's three day high space. Oh, me durstep. But no, Michael Lewis hasn't invited me. He met him several times, but he ain't invited me. Maybe next time, eh? But yeah, so many great sets, headline making sets and that means so many bases for us to spy on.
Now, despite neither of us being there, we have been catching up online where we can. I know Chris, you've watched a little bit more of me. So I'll let you lead on this one to tell us what are the favorite kind of bases and base. It's little glimpses of base rigs as well that we saw on stage at Glassed and Vries. So won't you kick us off with what? Gladly. And yes, I have watched a little bit more than you because all I have done pretty much for the last two days is watch Glastonbury footage.
And I still have quite a bit left to watch. So yeah, this was actually really good for the best players. I will start with one exception though, a particular gentleman who I don't think I'm sure he had a good time at Glastonbury, but I didn't have a good time watching him. And there's Duff McKagan from Guns and Roses. I love Duff McKagan. I love all his bases. I have a Fender Eradine, which I will sell in the future just so you know. And Guns and Roses love Guns and Roses.
They've been a bit controversial. Some people have said the Glastonbury set was amazing. I personally kind of think they should start winding it in as a band because Axel Roses definitely on the way out. And I know this isn't relevant on their quality as the band, but the mix was so insanely bad. The first sort of like five songs that they played were just drums, one guitar, slash when he took a solo. And Axel Roses really quiet. So the reason why I mentioned Duff McKagan is you're amazing.
You really are. But I couldn't hear you. I couldn't hear a single thing he did. Couldn't even hear his backing vocals to be honest. That is bad. I feel like whichever device I was listening on really changed whether I could hear the bass. Because we'll talk about it in John in a bit. When I was in the car, I listened to a bit on the radio when we were driving. I couldn't hear it at all. When I was watching it on a TV weirdly, I could hear it so well. And I was like, what the hell?
This mix is so different. Maybe it was just a different. Interesting mix. But that is an interesting one because I would say overall, I really enjoyed the mixes that were put on I player, especially as a bass guitarist. Like some of these bass players now about to mention really got an opportunity to like shine through. And they did. Oh my god. Oh, bodyguide. Right. Shine. Where did we start? Where to start? In fact, I will begin quickly. I'm going to have a quick moan. Very quick moan.
It's not like you. Some of these session bass players, not like me at all. Don't be silly. Some of you session bass players who are playing at Glastonbury, very, very big artists. You suck at social media. Big time. The first guy I'm going to mention. As far as I'm concerned, doesn't exist online. Couldn't find him. The only picture I could find of him was him at Ashtown headquarters, funnily enough. Oh. Is it Matt Parker? No, Matt Parker does not play a bass for Rick Asley.
But I'll tell you who does. It is a wonderful bass player by the name of J-Cox. Now, if you have not watched the Rick Asley footage on I player, I strongly advise you do. It was one of, I'm giving it the number two slot for the whole weekend, personally. Oh, everything I've watched. What? In terms of sets. Yeah, overall set, stage show. Well, there wasn't really a stage show. It was 12 o'clock on the Saturday. But, um, Superintendent obviously played, never going to give you up. It was amazing.
He looks good, doesn't he? For his age. Yeah, he's a proud Norv and Laddar, Rick Asley. He's about, he lives about 13 minutes away from me. Oh wow. He lives in a little town, which is in between Wigan and Warrington. Those are two words. I said two words, you don't know what that means. That's fine. If you check my Instagram story, Johnny, which no one else will be able to do, because it's a live expired by then, you'll see a very funny meme about Wigan. But we'll get to that later.
Uh, yeah, Rick Asley's band, really, really good, really good set. This post guy called J-Cox, he was playing a lovely P-Biss for most of the set. And then when it went a bit eighties, he whacked out some monstrous active five string. Oh. That I couldn't really work out what it was. I tried to find him online to try and figure out what it was, but as far as I'm concerned, I don't think he has social media or a website or anything like that. So I couldn't really find the guy.
If you're a bass player, which I hope you are, if you're listening to this, go and I play a fast forward to the end. He plays never going to give you up, and then introduces the band at the end, and he'll take a little solo. You will hear the best slap-based guitar solo I've ever heard in my life. Oh, man. It was mega-may. It was absolutely mega. It slapped. I'm trying to find it now, so I can comment, because that's making me quite excited. You're trying to find it on I-Player right now?
No, I'm not. I'm looking furious. Oh, I can see his white P-Biss. I was looking on YouTube. Yeah. I found YouTube. Cool. Well, real castly, I think, like, good on him. Everyone just knows him for never going to give you up, and he's just like living it. He's like, yeah, don't care. Love that song. Well, I mean, testament to that, even more, to bigger, more, even more.
You know, it was on for about 45 minutes, I'm going to say, and he ended with never going to give you up, but at no point did I think, I'm just kind of waiting for never going to give you up. Every song he played was mint, and then out of nowhere, I mean, I'm not going to talk about the highway to Hell Drum in part, because everyone's going to mention that, and that was amazing. I just saw that.
He did a cover of, he did a cover of, as it was, by Harry Styles, and I swear to God, he should release it. It was, his voice fit it so well. I mean, they are both no oven at the end of the day, but it was so good. So good. I can see, I can see all the dancers, like, absolutely going for it at the minute, I'm never going to give you up, that's cool. Yeah, the all came out at the end, it was mega, and all the security at the front are doing the down. Sorry, that's how I meant all the security.
Back to base stuff, I just paused it, and I can see, like, you alluded to, there is some Ashtown ABM gear there. There is indeed. Nice, nice, nice. We like better that. It looks like an ABM, probably 900 head, for the 410 cab. The base, I can see it now. It looks like Yamaha-esque to me. I can't quite tell. Yeah, it does a bit, I thought it might have any Yamaha, some mental PV kind of thing.
I'm trying to get, let's see if there's a closer shot, but yeah, watch, never going to give you up on YouTube, or I play, so you can go and have a look for yourself. It's very, very cool. I'll step in with one now. I'll step in with two, and I'm a bit sad, because I was kind of watching this in the background, and didn't really see what it was, or who the artist was, because I was around, oh my fjord says, running in laws, house for tea that night, so I didn't see what was going on really.
It's just on the background. And I saw two of the, like, radio one, like almost like rooftop sessions that they were doing on the little stage that they had there. And I saw two, yes, two, alpha bases. I think they were both five strings, and yeah, I was, it was literally like the Leo de Caprio meme of me pointing, like that, like that, as soon as I saw them. And yeah, I love seeing them out in the wild, and seeing some like nice British boutique bases, glass-tomber, it was very, very cool.
So that was one of my one of my bass highlights that I saw there. It's always nice to see something British that isn't broken or on fire. Yeah, exactly, exactly like our government. Oh, I'm so glad you went there before me. That's nice. Got them. Or on strike, which I would like to add that I fully support. Absolutely. We support equal fair, babe. I will, exactly. I will segue, since we talked about Ashtown, I will very quickly touch on the lovely Nate Mendel from Fufighters.
Fufighters, of course, played the not very secret set on the Friday. Yeah. I'll keep it quick. Ashtown gear, signature P-base, standard amazing, job done, moving on. I'm going to touch on Lizzo. Let's talk about Lizzo. Let us. I was not particularly familiar with Lizzo's music. I mean, obviously I've heard it. It's everywhere at the end of the day. It's Lizzo. But I'd never really watched anything. I am now a fully converted Lizite. I subscribe to the book of Lizzo.
Absolutely. Yasqueen Slay. Amazing. Another one I strongly recommend. Lizzo's bass player is a lovely lady called Zuri Applebee. I really hope I'm pronouncing that right. And I believe, one, they were absolutely ripping it the entire set. They were absolutely amazing. And alongside that, they were rocking a, what I think might have been like a PJ Spector, kind of thing. Oh. It was a shecter because they've posted on, they've posted online talking about it in the past.
Because I, of course, stopped their Instagram. Because they had an Instagram. Isn't that nice? Yeah. Amazing. And they have been sharing a lot of love for Shecter. And it would appear to be some sort of black PJ bass. But it sounded really good. There's loads of dirty synth bass going on, which I don't think they were playing. But at the same time, the actual bass parts, like things like like juice, for example, that was definitely getting played on electric bass.
And it just, oh, I just sounded so good. There are, I know I've watched some Ian Martin Allyson content before where he's been like, guys, you're sleeping on Lizzo. Like listen to these bass lines. It's so good. And just like little slapping pops. I know about Dam Time is the one that gets talked about a lot. But if you want a nice, simple song that's easy to play, same bass line all the way through, it's a really good fun. I would strongly recommend you learn juice.
The whole riffs like on one string. But it's so fun to play. It's got these little hammer-ons, which are written and nice rhythm. Really cool. Jury Applebee, if you're listening, because of course you are. You are absolutely a 10 out of 10 bass player. I really want to go and watch that after we've called this now. Because, damn, it does sound very good. I only heard snippets of that on like TikTok. So I haven't had a proper listen to it yet.
Through the headphones or with the speaker, anything like that. So very excited to hear the bass. And it's true for them. Lovely. I'm trying to think of who else we saw. Shall we stop beating around the bush and talk about our favourites? Our favourites, ladies, Ms. Carly Ray, Jepsen, please. Absolutely. Carly Ray, Jepsen. Guys, I'm just saying, you guys have been late to the Carly game. Okay. I have been... You all have been. Carly Ray, Jepsen, fan, since first album came out.
Everyone was like, oh, I can't be maybe so annoying. Guys, you need to listen to the rest of that album. It's the worst song on the album. Kiss is an absolute kiss, the first album. Yeah, I was the one after it, the one that's got... I was forget the name of the song, but I'd argue. I'd argue it's the best pop song ever written. I really, really, really... Oh, the other one. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know the one you mean. Was it called the one that played the Glassenbury? The saxophone one.
Yeah. That's what it mean. Like, if Taylor Swift did that song... Run away with me! There we go. Run away with me! Yeah. If Taylor Swift did that song, it would be the biggest fucking pop song. Like, it's absolutely... So I've watched, I've watched a 25 minute YouTube video where a guy breaks down the music theory behind it and explains why it's one of the best songs ever written. And you know what, if you disagree with me, you're wrong because I've got a degree in music.
So that means I am allowed to win every music argument ever. I just, I'm, I'm just, I'm, I'm just, I'm, I'm just, that's why it's never really a big base to bake because I dare challenge all wisdom. Exactly, you know. Exactly, I am spreading the good words. Metallica of the greatest band ever, Nickelbacker amazing, an oasis are better than the Beatles. Well, that's right. Carly beats them all, you know. And Carly beats them all, absolutely. Beyonce, who? But yeah, Carly Ray Jepson is so good.
I've, I've met her as well and she was bloody lovely. I'm sorry, could you repeat that please? I met Carly Ray Jepson. Oh my God, as you were very, very nice indeed. I'm going to show you Chris, a picture of us. Please do show me. While you turn that round, I will talk very quickly. That is very cool. And you have an impressive beard. And really white teeth, I might add in that picture. There we are. It's my hair. Nice. And man bun as well. It's all tied back. Impressive, very edgy. I like it.
That's how people describe me. But yeah, back to the base. The set was all amazing. Oh, yeah. And what a base. And what a base. Straight away I spotted. I was like, wait, I know that headstock. Was that it was a custom by string, seric base. If you don't know seric bases, go and check them out. They are one of my favorite like boutique base builders or like custom base builders. So so cool. This was a, ooh, that's the thing. I don't really know the model names. It wasn't a Lincoln.
It was their other one. They do. I'm afraid I don't know very well. Whilst we talk, I will look it up. But it was in shell pink. It matched the aesthetic of the band. Sounded great. Just looked fantastic. And yeah, seric bases are so, so cool. I'd love to. Well, while you find it, I will tell you, Carlisle Recepcion's bass player is a guy called Bobby Wooten III. Wooten? Or as I like to call him, yeah, Wooten, exactly. Interesting. I would prefer to call him Bobby Wooten III, Wooten Harder.
Also, I should have really tried to do this one with straight face. My personal favorite I'm going to call him is Bobby Wooten III Revenge of the Sith. Nice. I think it was an armouredic, seric. An armouredic, very nice. I wonder, I should have Googled this. I wonder if he's related to another person with the surname of Wooten. Wow, that is what I did think. What is his name again, sorry? Bobby. Bobby, yep. Wooten. Wooten. Oh, the third, yes. The number three, let's have a look.
I reckon he could. Or, oh my god. Katie Homes X boyfriend, apparently. Who's Katie Homes X boyfriend? What, who was married to Tom Cruise? I guess so. As in Rachel from Batman Begins. I guess so. Interesting, but not Rachel from the other two films. Interesting. Look at me, you Maggie J. Lennon. Oh, geez. I was struggling to find this a little bit. Not going to lie. Oh, well, instead of Johnny, we'll never let go. Oh, well, oh, well. In one day, it will be.
Bobby, if you're listening, if you could send us your family tree, that would be very much appreciated. No relation to Victor Wooten. What a shame. I have one more person to talk to. As I talk about, not I talk to God, I wish we could get him on the podcast. I have one last bass player to shout out as my, I'm calling him the best bass player of Glastonbury. Wow, what an accolade. It's me I was playing. Oh my god.
I'm giving a shout out, a very big shout out, to Matt Bessonette, who is, of course, Elton John's bass player. Oh, you know, I didn't know who you were going to say. And then I was like, who? Oh, yes, the other one that I watched. Yes. Exactly. Oh my god. Elton John's set at Glastonbury was absolutely perfect. Off the wall, like incredible, just relentless banger after banger. And those bass lines are notoriously hard. Like they're not simple at all. He's all over that fretboard.
If you, I always remember the first time I noticed the bass in Elton John's song was listening to one of my favorite Christmas songs, which is Step Into Christmas. Oh, banger, absolutely. Absolutely. And the bass on that song is crazy. It's like no, no verse and chorus is the same. It's wild. It's going crazy in the background. I'm like, oh my goodness, like this sounds amazing. So I was actually really looking forward to analyzing the bass a little bit more.
And it just sounded so tight and sounded awesome. Did you happen to notice what the Ziguel was that was being played? Oh, I absolutely did, because every single bass player I knew was talking about it constantly. The dear old Matt Bissonette plays a absolutely magical five-string music man. And it had just this. It had this really nice mid-rangey. I call it like a burp. That kind of sound. It was like a bit of a nice, low-mid kind of thing. Not rumbly, not muddy. Just like, it just worked.
It sounded so good. And just like the I player footage you've been playing at Glastonbury and the big concert that's on Disney Plus, the bass is mixed so, so well. And yeah, Elton John bass lines are not easy. I have to play, I'm still standing quite a lot at weddings. And now I know it, it's fine. But let's just say it took me quite a while to get that bass line down. In the verse, the verse is really hard. Seriously, like go and try and learn it.
It's on the verse is actually only three chords. And you only play three notes, but the rhythm is an absolute nightmare. It's like stabby, but you're coming in on the free and all the time. It's like all over the place. It's nuts, but yes, Matt Bissonette, I believe he plays Mark Bess amps. I think I swear I saw that. I might be wrong, but none of his gear was on stage. You had a really cool six by 10 next to him. That was just black, so I'm not too sure. I think it was an absolute amazing...
As WR, I think. Oh, okay. Cab that I saw. I won't join. I will say as well, it was very funny watching Brandon Flowers from the Killers come out to do a song. And as soon as he came out, I saw on Twitter someone said, Oh, I see Alan Partridge has arrived. And it absolutely brought me into tiny pieces. And it completely, because I think he didn't they play a tiny dancer. Yeah, they did. Absolutely ruined it for me.
I spent the whole free minutes laughing my head off in this bright red suit that he had on. I mean, he looked great. Teeth were a bit big though. Yeah, I didn't like... I feel like I haven't seen him for a long time. And I was like, I sat down watching it with Lily. And I was like, oh, this guy's given me, she was like, who's that? And I said, oh, this is given me like Brandon Flowers like vibes. And then she like, oh, it is. And he's like, ah, my eyes do not deceive me.
He had a very, very, very American face. That's probably the easiest way I could describe it. 100%. He's very much good. But very, very good. Really enjoyed it. Strungly recommend you watch it. Amazing bass playing. Amazing set overall. And yeah, unbelievable. I will be absolutely doing my best to record a bass cover of an Elton Junction this week. Oh my God. Just for a bit of fun. Good luck. I suppose the other... Well, what is it? The one you said I'm still standing, the Glam weddings.
Yes. That's the one. Absolutely. Actually, quick point before we move on. I found out, well, because Elton Jun said it, Elton Jun has had the same drum player. God, I forgot how to say the word drummer then. Oh my God. I'm so sorry. He's had the same drummer and same percussion player. Since day one in... Same. Day one. The drummer's 75, an Elton Jun 76. And he's only ever had one drummer. He's entire professional career. He's been the same two guys since day one, every gig. Yeah. Crazy.
The... My... The Lee's, my partner, her mum and dad went to the Elton Jun last year. And he said he was up there drumming and he had pipes going in him with like, for like oxygen tanks. And he was like, it's clearly quite unwell, but he's still up there playing. Wow. What a legend. Well, yeah, I mean, the rock, like, could you imagine? Like, I'm not gonna lie to you guys. I get pretty bloody tired playing for two and a half hours. And I am, I mean, I know I look it, but I am not 75 years old.
Well, well, you just let the secret out there, because I always thought you were. Whoops. Yeah, I am actually 75. God, my career's a mess for my age. Anyway. Yeah, overall, I think, you know, some great things. I actually saw one quad cortex. That's the thing. Did you? I did. It was Joel McDuff. Thingy. I watched it because my... Someone I know got on the screens on TV because they're on someone's shoulders there, so I was watching it back to see if they're on there.
Nice. But yeah, God, what was the artist name? They had like a... It's not Joel Mc. Oh no, that's it. I'm gonna do a really quick shout out before you give that, give away that person's name. Louis Capaldi was amazing as well. Yeah. I don't know his bass player, because I didn't look, because I forgot, but nice P bass, like black and red P bass, and really good, felt so bad for Louis Capaldi. Like, he was unreal. Like he kept apologizing between songs, saying he couldn't sing really well.
The crowd joined him for like loads of the set, but like, he was unbelievable. Like, I really, he's announced today that he's basically just not gonna be touring again for the foreseeable future to focus on his health, which he's definitely, I mean, what's his Netflix documentary and stuff, that's definitely the right move for him.
And I feel like he's definitely been like, pushed by the music industry to like keep going and power through even though he's clearly unwell and trying to get to grips with something as severe as Tourette's, and he's not had an opportunity to get used to it. So obviously, Louis Bigman, I know you're listening, of course, get a while soon, and all that. And when he comes back, he's gonna be just fine. He's unbelievable. He's one of the best singers alive, I think. He's incredible.
And I always think with him that like, even if he decides that this singing, is not gonna be able to perform like long time, I think he's just got such an incredible future ahead regardless, because if he's incredible, abilities and to tame people, and that's what he does best, you know? So very, very cool. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, but yeah, an incredible artist as well. I'd love to see him, but once he's better, of course, for his own health. Absolutely. And I hope he gets better very soon.
I can't find the name of that artist, I'm sorry. But yeah, it's a good text. And it was a, what looked like an American PJP base in white as well. So I was like, well, nice. I see that, I see that. Oh, hello. Hello there, I know what you're doing. I see you anyways. Yeah, very cool. I do wish I had watched a bit more glass to be stuff. It does make me want to go. I'm gonna try and get to get next to you. Well, the great thing about the BBC Eye Player app is you can watch it all for 30 days.
Wow. Wow. I haven't watched Queen's The Stone Age yet. I haven't watched Royal Blood yet. I've not watched Nova Twins yet. I'm not gonna watch the rest of Guns and Roses because that mix was unforgivable in my opinion. And I was tempted to watch the Laven set because the Lavens are of course from Wiggand. But I get jealous far too easily in the fact that there's a lot of musicians and Wiggand doing better than me is quite simply unforgivable. I am kidding. Please no one screen record that.
The Lavens are a great band and a testament to the best town in the Northwest of England. Sure thing, man. Whatever you say, I trust you. I don't wanna argue with you. Okay. That's fine. Please don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. Please don't hurt me. Well, is that the podcast? I think it is and you know what? It's actually longer than last week's. Wow, that's crazy. By like three minutes we went ham. We went ham.
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