005 - Pushing the Salmonella Envelope

spk_0:   0:00
only plus die, you fucking Yeo. So, have you heard of this Booth? Yeah, Yeah, I have heard of the Here s so I listen to them for the first time today. Like I actually listen to a full record of theirs for the very first time in my life today. Um um and I was not It was not like that. Impressed with it like there's it was fine, but I was just kind of about it.

spk_1:   0:37
As much as I have dogged the Smiths in, like, Joy division on here, actually love the cure.

spk_0:   0:41
Okay, so I listen to disintegration,

spk_1:   0:43
which is the best place to start

spk_0:   0:45
which you corrected me on earlier cause I called it disintegrate. And that's fine. You know, I just I don't know. I just It was just kind of like it started off really great. It's got some It's got a really good introduction, and I just kind of just kind of peters out a little bit like you can only be sad for so long. I feel like and that's what that album is too long to be so sad.

spk_1:   1:05
Can you Can you specific You just saying that it's long Is that what it is?

spk_0:   1:09
No, I just got I got bored with it at, like, the fifth or sixth song because it felt the same.

spk_1:   1:15
I mean, that's already like, 1/2 hour into it, but

spk_0:   1:17
yeah, that's so maybe it Maybe I only have 1/2 an hour spin, but either way, I was just kind of like like it was fine. Like, I'll go back and listen to it again someday.

spk_1:   1:26
I mean, it's the only cure album that I actually physically own. It is very weird that you brought this up because I had a kid asked me today if I liked the Smiths and I was like, Oh, where to start? And I said, You know, Yeah, I got I gotta keep it PG 13 or whatever. And I'm just like, I don't like Morrissey and actually knew I was talking about and they said they actually said, I don't think anyone likes more like you will go far. And, uh, they asked me about Joy Division and I was like, I mean, I like this so many bands of covered level terrorists apart, like good bands that I think are better than Joy Division Ah, but I said that of that. And I know they're not even all really the same time, period. But, you know, I just British pop. What is joint? If it was Joy Division British,

spk_0:   2:16
I think I think they were British, but they I don't know if they were British pop. I think they were more new wavy, weren't they?

spk_1:   2:22
Yeah, but I mean, whatever. I mean, they just had the milky skin, so I kind of put him on. There were pseudo vampires. Yeah. Yeah. And I just basically said, like all of the of all of that ilk, it would be the cure who I like the best. Oh, I I even said disintegration, so Okay, it's, um, Providence that you would bring it up.

spk_0:   2:44
Yeah. Synchronicity, my friend.

spk_1:   2:46
Welcome to I don't want to hear it. I'm Mikey

spk_0:   2:47
and I am Shane.

spk_1:   2:48
Today's topic. We're gonna be talking about some of the most storied venues from our neck of the woods.

spk_0:   2:56
I am really excited about this episode because thes air important landmarks in our city and important landmarks in our youth, and we're actually gonna start with, like, an like it issue zero, you know, We

spk_1:   3:06
kind of thought about

spk_0:   3:07
this before where we're kind of talking about the nexus like the big bang of music for us in the area and, uh, and really dig into, like, some, these really cool venues and some of the cool stuff that we got to see specifically venues that were in our town, that we got to see some bands that aren't around anymore, that there were pre influential. And I can't wait to talk about, like, some of the characters that are in our town, you know, people that are that sound like they're fake people, that they're like a living a living people of Walmart. We're gonna talk about the specific things that I think are really cool for our town. And I don't think that people realize that we had this in our town.

spk_1:   3:40
No, they didn't. Because people here Daytona and they think, like, you know, a flip flop melted to that asphalt with, you know, just surrounded by syringes. But I would like to apologize because my voice sounds a bit frog ish, but I've got I've got t I have tea in front of me. So? So we were talking about the Brits earlier, so you needn't worry. Okay, so are our beginnings, as we talked about before with the mid nineties. But I didn't Really I didn't get to see live music until we're getting close to the late nineties. Here s O. We begin at something called Fire Aid. Okay,

spk_0:   4:23
which is not not a flavor of Gatorade, right? It's not like flaming hot Gatorade.

spk_1:   4:31
So basically what happened is in the late nineties, half a state of Florida burned down. I assume a crackhead chucked a warm pipe but a mangy flamingo. And then it ran screaming into a bunch of dead palm trees and in just let everything

spk_0:   4:45
up. So I have to say just a kind of paint a picture of what this looked like in Florida. There was a period of time where it rained ash and the sky was orange.

spk_1:   4:53
Yeah, it was so fucking metal. It was awesome.

spk_0:   4:55
It was the cover of a hate eternal album.

spk_1:   4:58
Sick. So when when the blazes were finally put out, they decided to do a big benefit concert. They called it Fire it. Now, this took place on, like, one of those Warped tour stages down in downtown Daytona Beach and downtown Daytona Beach isn't much. It's, um, this little road called Beach Street. There's all these, like kitschy shops on it, and every now and then, you know, people try to renew things and, like, make it nice down there. And then the meth heads show up, and it just ruins everything. The only things that have lasted down there, like a couple of bars, a coffee shop, a pizza place and this is right on the river to. So they set up his big stage and just hundreds and hundreds of people came out. And the band that headlined Fire Aid After Our Entire State burned was none other than Jimmie's Chicken Shack.

spk_0:   5:48
Uh, okay, Jimmie's Chicken Shack. So I had an experience with Jimmy's chicken check, so I got to see Jimmie's Chicken Shack. If you're not familiar with this band, three members of this band named Jimmy and the fourth member is named Shea. So there's three Jimmy's in a Shay, their their album that they got finished Jimmy Shea, and their first album They Got Famous On was called Pushing the Saw Manila envelope. I have this album Autographs by three of the Jimmies by the three Jimmy Rollins Band, and I got to see them at a venue that will reference later. But I got to see them. They played here for they played a lot. For some reason, I have no idea why they played in town so much.

spk_1:   6:34
See, I was not aware that Jimmy's chicken check ever came back after they played in the smouldering ruins of Florida. But the whole reason I bring up fire it is because that was my introduction to live music. I've never seen a live band before ever. Um, I guess I was deprived. But, you know, I was listening to music on the radio, and I was here in punk and alternative, and I had heard Jimmie's Chicken Shack on the radio. So have my My mom dropped me off down there. My little skateboarding narrow was and ah, you know, I watched fucking Jimmie's Chicken Shack. But what was so pivotal about that experience was not that it was that I picked up something that doesn't exist anymore. We call the Music. Monthly is I guess they were little little newspapers that focused on local music, and I mean you know, local music for us included in Orlando and shit like that. So I picked it up. It was called Inc 19 and when I opened it, man, it was like it was like a play on the whole world was unveiled to me, there was local bands. There was record reviews. There was interviews. There was there was concert reviews like show reviews and flyers and ads and all kinds of shit. And I just It was like I had suddenly stuck my head into the undercurrent, and now I was like, Oh, her suspicious shit happening. There's other cool things. So I grabbed up my my first issue at first of many issues of in 19. I just I would get it now. I really would it physically get the newsprint all over my hands? I don't care. I loved it. It was so much fun. But I would Ah, I would read it every time I saw an issue lying in a gutter somewhere. But anyway, I, um What I did was I thumbed through it, read it cover to cover so many times, and there was a flyer in there that led me to to embark upon this path that I have not yet completely stepped

spk_0:   8:23
off. So which brings us to issue one

spk_1:   8:26
which, yes, issue one. And this is the first of the many storied venues that we will discuss over the course of this episode. And that venue, of course, was called Orbit 3000.

spk_0:   8:39
Okay, so let me let me.

spk_1:   8:40
Which is Super 90 which is

spk_0:   8:42
the 90 ist 90th nineties ist

spk_1:   8:47
nineties is nineties

spk_0:   8:48
ist eso orbit 3000 was a venue that I never got to go to because I was too young to go, and my parents did not want me to go to this place. And I'm gonna let Mikey explain why, But there was. I was never allowed to go to this place.

spk_1:   9:03
Well, to be fair, they were right, because it was in one of the worst parts of town. So it was like in the armpit of this dead strip mall in, um, it's on Mason and Nova in Daytona, which I guess isn't one of the worst parts of town. But as, like 8/9 grader, being down there by yourself at not that's yeah, it's not

spk_0:   9:23
recommended. Yeah, because, I mean, they didn't have, like, brunch shows.

spk_1:   9:26
Yeah, this particular show, This very 1st 1 that I went to there was a Saturday matinee show, but for the most part, it was all shows at night. So this was my first real venue, and it was a real venue, you know, cause we're gonna talk about shows that took place and, you know, you know, the back of, like, a septic tank or something, You know, just in the place, any place that you could have an outlet, you know, and just pack a bunch of people. And this was a real venue stage sound system the whole bit. Um, now the owners, I don't remember their names, but one was a reputed PETA wrist, and, uh, I believe his mother owned it with him. And so it was sort of like a Norman Bates did learn nightmare scenario, and I could be completely off on that. But that was that was the word at the time.

spk_0:   10:17
That was the vibe.

spk_1:   10:18
Yeah, And it was It was creepy for an 8th 9th grader like me to be going in there, you know, completely unsupervised. My parents would drop me off, and they would be like, Well, if if you survive, we'll see you again. You know, that was the vibe I got leaving the car, my very first show there. And I think this is how well structure each one of these first show will start There. It was like I said a Saturday matinee. And it was to Scott bands. When was the do gooders? And they eventually, like, dropped the horns and became like, this other band called Upward Movement in Sounded like Benghazi. But at the time, it was like, you know, third Wave Scott put basically like punk songs, the horns. And then there was another band called I Can't Remember. It was Cherry Forever a Cherry 2000 or if those two bands were the same band or two different bands. So I'll call them Cherry, whatever. And then our local hometown, Hard core stall warts, fortitude. Um, it was so cool. I had never seen anything like this. Punk Kids like the fire age Shit, you know, is a bunch of Rando this These were punk kids. And I'll tell you, they had had mohawks have spiked hair, plaid pants and the creepers and the and the Doc Martens and like they were real punk kids and I'd never seen anything like it was the first time I ever mushed We have a mutual friend. A guy named Shawn Robbins is locally famous, and ah, that was the first day I met him and we're still friends on. And I met him colliding with him in the mosh pit orbit 3000.

spk_0:   11:55
That's a really sweet story, like, uh like, That's all they People fall in love like that like they hit their heads and they fall in

spk_1:   12:00
love places, like bashing each other in the face.

spk_0:   12:03
Yeah, that. I think that you and Shawn Robbins fell in love that day. It's really

spk_1:   12:07
sweet. I'll run down a few of the orbit 3000 highlights, and then we'll get into the other venues that we both experience.

spk_0:   12:14
Yeah, that's that's totally fine with me because I have no experience with this place and I'm left in the lurch to sit in silence. And here you talk for the next 10 minutes.

spk_1:   12:21
Fuck you. So there was. There were some fairly big name man's in the late nineties. Came through Ah, bigwig, anti flag less than Jake came down and played gutter mouth played. All I remember was they had, like, they had strippers on stage. They brought polls with This is so dumb. I know. And looking back, I mean, it was an all ages show. I don't know what the fuck they were doing. I remember that Scott Band Link 80 played

spk_0:   12:53
Oh, man.

spk_1:   12:54
And I didn't get to g o B. Well, I could have gone. Here's the thing, though. My buddy at the time of escape already with was grounded and I was like, You know what men? And this was after the original singer Nick Trainor had died anyway, so I was just like I don't know if I even care about seeing them, But, you know, I did him a solid and he couldn't go. So solidarity. I stayed home and we skated, but but the the other show and Miss World wind up for about 3000. It was just one of those. It was such a cool experience, especially for my first real punk rock experience, and is something I'll never forget. But the one show that, aside from the last war, but show I missed that as well because I wasn't driving back then with one show that I wish I hadn't missed was the Misfits and Earth Crisis. I was grounded and this was Graves, Misfits in Earth Crisis and, ah, the band that opened for them was an old local favorite called 11 Teen. Now they got their name from their song 11 Teen about, you know? Hey, she's old enough. She's she's eleventy.

spk_0:   13:58
That's not weird. That's not weird at all.

spk_1:   14:00
This was like trailer trailer park punk rock. But, um, they had this guy that used to hang out with them. And he was big, sort of intimidating looking, punk rock Arcor guy. And every time 11 team would play. Is this dude's name everyone called him Big Worm. Big Worm would pick up a stick, Ah, to buy for a chair, and he just beat himself in the head with it while they play. So over the whole set, he's smacking himself in the face, like in time with the snare drum. So the big thing, though in The Misfits Earth Crisis Show, is not just that. I missed the Misfits and I love I love graves misfits almost as much as I love Danzig misfits and don't really give a shit about Earth crisis. But what happened was I guess there's a big fight, and there's a big window there in Big Worm. Just launched a dude through a window, especially 8th 9th grade, being that you

spk_0:   14:53
have been so cool to see,

spk_1:   14:55
I know to see something like that, it would have it would have just melted my brain.

spk_0:   14:59
That's as close as you could have gotten to seeing, like, a saloon fight.

spk_1:   15:02
Yeah, the piano just stops like, Hey, now. Hey, what you doing, stranger?

spk_0:   15:09
I wonder where Big Worm is now. Like, I wonder, how many

spk_1:   15:11
concussions is that? Big worms. Probably like a dad and a real estate agent or something.

spk_0:   15:17
Yeah, he's probably doing something really responsible because I think a lot of our friends and people that we knew around the time ended up going to do responsible things.

spk_1:   15:24
Yeah. I mean, unless he, like, severely damaged his frontal lobe and then he got arrested for chopping up a bunch of cats or something. I don't

spk_0:   15:32
Yeah, that sounds like that sounds real big worming. Um, you know, Slip not play there, too.

spk_1:   15:38
Oh, yeah. They did

spk_0:   15:39
not played there. And as I understand that they all didn't fit on the stage. Because there's nine of them are some reason because there is one person in that band that plays a keg and that's all he does. Um

spk_1:   15:50
oh, in two live crew played there. That last one I'll put out there. Two live crew played.

spk_0:   15:56
Yeah. So Orbit 3000 is a place that everybody can come together. Um and, uh, hopefully big worms. Okay, that's the ticket waiting on that one. So the next venue and this is actually the first venue besides the honorable mentions this up that we'll talk about. This is the first venue that I got to spend a lot of time in personally. So this was my first foray until, like, hard core, I wouldn't say it's my first foray and like, punk, rock and stuff cause we because we have a couple of venues that I got some to go to shows that before, but this was the first place, actually, like, I got to hang out with some of the people that I know now, um, got involved with the local Daytona, seen the hard core scene in the punk rock scene that was here, like the local. I guess you could call it that. The icing. So this place was one of the coolest places, and some of the best bands that were in, like, punk and hardcore came through our town just to play at this place.

spk_1:   16:41
Yeah, it was very respected.

spk_0:   16:44
It was. And so this place was it went by the loving nickname of the church. This is the first place that I had my mind blown with, like, live hardcore and punk music.

spk_1:   16:54
Yeah, honestly, there was a lot of great places, but the church was unparalleled because that was when things it was like, it kicked up a notch when you were in a local band and you weren't, like, completely plugged in. You heard about the church. And you're like, Man, we gotta play there. How do we get there? Yeah, And you didn't realize it was just so easy, like, Hey, man can kill me open for this band. Yeah,

spk_0:   17:14
Billy would be like, Yeah, it's fine. So I didn't drive. When I started going to the church, I wasn't able to drive. So So our friend Chris Tharp one of my good friends and

spk_1:   17:23
shout out to Chris,

spk_0:   17:24
Shut out, Chris Start best friend Chris. His mom would pick us up and drop us off there. And his mom was so cool. His mom would like drivers to Orlando for shows, which is like an hour away and, like, drop us off, just hang out and wait for us to be done seeing like, strike anywhere and stuff she would never come in. We'd be like, You can come in and see the band's She back knots Fine. So shot to Robin for that too. So, Robinwood, take us to the church and drop us off this place. And I remember the first time getting this place and not knowing anybody and meeting one of our friends is a doctor now who? The first time I met him, he drink a shot glass full of shit for 50 bucks and just like gross stuff like that. But that was my first experience with anybody, the church, and that's not representative of the church at all. But Mikey can probably describe it a little bit more eloquently than I just did.

spk_1:   18:06
I mean, it was called the Church and meat. We did touch on this in an earlier episode, but it was called the Church. But it wasn't like a religious place. It was definitely connected to a church. But it was like an an event hall. A little tiny stage. No one ever really played on the stage. They just would throw the drums up there. What was the first show you ever saw there?

spk_0:   18:23
I think the first show that I ever saw there, I want to say was was kill your idols.

spk_1:   18:27
That's a good place to

spk_0:   18:28
start. Yeah, it was. I want to say it was kill your idols. That's the 1st 1 I really remember. But I remember seeing like some local bands to like I remember seeing, ah, autumn offering and other divergent blood play at one of the first shows. I went Teoh. Oh, yes. And, uh and I think that I remember just that. I think that was kind of things. I remember not really knowing who the bands were, but I do remember seeing kill your idols really early on.

spk_1:   18:51
Yeah, that they played there a lot. Um, we were kind of spoiled, like there was kill your idol sets I skipped because I had seen them so many times. Which is pretty shitty to say. My very first show it was There was it was like the summer of 99 it was the frown ease sidecar they were to like, sort of late nineties punk bands like Not really skate punk almost sounded like the doughboys or big drill car, something like that. And then, once again, fortitude are local. Ah, our local hardcore band. Really? At that time, they were pretty much the only one and, um, the big deal for me. We talked about Destro's before, but I remember going in there, and it was a completely different vibe than I was used to than orbit or anything. It was just bands were on the floor and they just had a P a. Nothing was Mike. Nobody gave a shit and kids were just losing their minds and then lining the back wall where all the destro's and that was the first time I ever saw one. And I remember I walked away with, like, 47 inches. One was a drag body, seven inch, which was cool. I picked them all at random, based on band name or album cover. I got a chokehold seven inch and I got the hands tied seven inch, Which they were like a melodic kind of youth crew bring like, a youth crew revival ban. But, um, I just remember being, like, so taken by it. Yeah, I was like these bands, there's no barrier, There's no stage. You just buy records, hang out. It was the coolest shit ever.

spk_0:   20:22
Yeah, it really was. It was a really cool place. And I mean, we saw some really big shows and some big bands there that I think was really cool because you couldn't see them at a small venue now, like,

spk_1:   20:31
yeah, we saw him on their way.

spk_0:   20:32
We saw that. Yeah, exactly. And it was cool because, you know, they were playing the songs that you know against Me was playing reinventing Axl Rose when they played their They were playing songs from that album, and American Nightmare was playing there, and they were playing songs off background music and stuff. And you saw a newfound glory this playing stuff off their like, 1st 2 records, you know, it was a really cool It was just a really cool place to see these bands that, you know, eventually you're like, Oh, yeah, No, I knew them when, Like, you had those moments, but not not like, like, in a celebrity type of way, but it just kind of like it cool to be like everybody would talk about these bands like, Hey, have you never heard if I'm Gloria, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have

spk_1:   21:11
some of the best shows I saw there because the church, the church was around before we showed up. It was around in the nineties, I guess, Like the mid to late. And I showed up at the tail end of it of the late nineties, and I didn't even go to every show back then. But, I mean, the best shows that I saw there, I think American nightmare was I got to say, just seeing that shit, you know, not really having any, um, any frame of reference. Yeah, I was just like, Oh, my God. Like I've never seen anything this fuckin desperate and crazy looking, you know, of course, now it's like looking back You're just like I was so naive. But, you know, it was just It was transformative and, uh, trial play there. I missed that. I know. Thursday played there. I'm glad I missed them. Come

spk_0:   21:59
on. I remember it being this really cool place. And actually, the first show that I played at A like anywhere was at the church, and that was a really cool thing. And my first show, I got to play in my shitty like, misfits rip off punk band with Mikey's first band. Yeah, my first show was with you at the church, and I think that was a really cool, really cool experience, even though nobody really gave a shit. And I think that we got put on the show to get made fun off.

spk_1:   22:25
Uh, I mean, my very My very first real show was there too, and everybody hated us. But, you know, you gotta you gotta go through that and then you you know, you end up writing some songs that maybe people don't hate so much, and then you just go from there. It was definitely a place where I think we came of age, and it changed the trajectory for us and for a ton of kids. And I know that there is that venue in probably every single town that ever had a scene. But for Daytona Beach, the church was ours. Well, I mean, we had a lot, but the church was like, you know, I mean, you have to wade through a stack or ripped up Bibles, but still, it was it was it was one of the best places ever.

spk_0:   23:07
It really waas is a shame that we lost it And, um

spk_1:   23:11
yeah, because we lost it because of what I just said. I mean, not specifically torn up Bibles, but the people who let us use the building, we're religious that it was connected to a church they came by, I guess they saw some fucking, you know, crust punk zine. That was just like a bunch of inverted crosses like Good Jesus is a piece of shirt. It basically said, like, OK, I don't know the exact story. That's what was told to me. Something objectionable was found and ah, that kind of put the kibosh on it. So

spk_0:   23:43
and I get that, like, it was a bunch of shitty punk and hardcore kids like it's understand we can't go back and be like a fucking asshole. Priests.

spk_1:   23:52
Yeah, like priests are assault. And

spk_0:   23:56
maybe not those ones. Maybe they were They were probably okay. They're probably like, No, like,

spk_1:   24:00
I think they were Presbyterian or some shit. So

spk_0:   24:03
either way, so eso we lost the church and it was it was devastating because we didn't have any place to play shows. So

spk_1:   24:10
well, what I think what you're neglecting here is that this next venue, it did run concurrent for the last bit of the church's lifespan. And then it sort of took all the traffic of shows over.

spk_0:   24:24
My memory is not very long, so I can't I can't speak to that. I remember there being two distinct periods, I guess. Maybe like eras.

spk_1:   24:31
Yes, yes, there were two. There is. Yes. So coming in at number three, we got the sea breeze Coffee connection.

spk_0:   24:39
Oh, I loved this place for all the wrong reasons.

spk_1:   24:45
So many great shows,

spk_0:   24:46
so many great shows. Some of the best shows that we saw in probably I cant rember my first show there. But some of the best shows that we saw were there, and the place was a living. Breathing broke in the syringe.

spk_1:   25:00
It was, You know, before we even get into some of the great bands we saw in some of the great shows that we personally got to play and got put on there. Let's talk a little bit about this place.

spk_0:   25:12
Yeah, you need. You need a picture of this place before you can describe how great this place. Waas.

spk_1:   25:17
So it's a little storefront on the beachside in Daytona. It's on sea breeze, which is that road where it's like that's where you go to get fucked up when you're a teenager when you're in your twenties, Not so much. Now you want to go find the quiet bar, but down there there is the clubs. There's Strip Club.

spk_0:   25:35
That's where you go toe lollipops and razzle.

spk_1:   25:37
Yes, yes, up the street, like towards the top of all that bullshit set this little nondescript sort of storefront. It was called the series Coffee Connection. I've never seen them serve coffee in there. We called it Castle Gray Skull because the proprietor bore a striking resemblance to skeletal.

spk_0:   25:56
He looked like something you would find an egg geens house.

spk_1:   25:59
Hey, his skin was sort of stretched over his skull like a fuckin drum ed

spk_0:   26:06
and so dry. The guy looked like he was made of straw like he was a Xdrive. I as a scarecrow, but also like, weirdly damp. He did look

spk_1:   26:18
like if you shook his hand, you would have toe wipe your hand off on your pants. He was He was a very weird individual. He was a nice guy, and I believe he lived in the back behind a bead curtain. Now, um, you know, nevertheless, nevertheless, as weird as he was, he opened his place because I guess he wasn't doing much business with the fucking coffee. Didn't serve. He opened his place and let us in there, and we had so many great shows. Now the one the other thing that we can sort of set the scene with is about, I would say, maybe 1/3 of the way through the coffee connections life span. He apparently had a common law wife, and she must have moved in to the back room with him. Now we called her the Snake Lady, and the snake lady was a very brash individual. She dressed in mostly scarves. She was kind of sort of like a crazy gypsy woman and looked like she was in the blood rituals, you know, like, you know, squeezing blood out of chickens and shit. And, um, she would wait until a band started playing. And it was a small room, just like a lot of these venues were talking about. It was a tiny room, and, you know, kids are bouncing off each other going crazy because there wasn't much of a stage. There was a little riser. I mean, it was just, you know, you had to get in the back of the room if you don't want to get shoved around. So snake lady would sort of come out into the middle of it and kind of clear herself a space like she should Sprinkle some fucking some wicked dust around her,

spk_0:   27:43
like like sage, sage, and salt

spk_1:   27:48
should burn sage to get us away

spk_0:   27:50
from it likes anything but, like, also try to burn us.

spk_1:   27:53
Yeah, like, and she started dancing, and she would do this kind of like, half ass belly dancing ship. It was like watching a dry heave come to life. So And you know, if you got close to her, she would fucking freak out and scream at you and scratch you like a goddamn velociraptor. But, um, other than that, it was a great place. Yeah,

spk_0:   28:14
I have a question, though. How do you knock on a bead curtain? Like, if you had to, like, get his attention, How would you knock on a bead curtain?

spk_1:   28:21
Those people, You don't knock, man, You go in there. They don't care if you see what's going on back there. All their haunches and paleness, they don't care.

spk_0:   28:30
So So just to kind of paint a picture of what this room looked like to you. Just so everybody has this. We played in this tiny little room full of full of like, like, really shitty art.

spk_1:   28:41
Yes, because they called it like an art space to It was like a coffee shop slash art space. But it never really had much of either In it saved for what? You're about

spk_0:   28:49
to talk. Yeah, I say shitty art because, you know, e I go back to that like, oh, all or the subjective, And maybe you dying the beholder and all that bullshit. But this place is like one of the one of the pictures on the wall was just broken computer chips and mirrors like it was shards of glass and broken like motherboards. And all it did was serve as a weapon. If you were in the crowd, if you got thrown into that, you had to go get hepatitis shots.

spk_1:   29:16
It was definitely a really a hazard, because this was this This was quote unquote art. That sort of just jutted out very far from the wall. And, you know, some bandit would cover, like, minor threat or something. And you just get you get flung into your just like God damn, you know, you've been impaled. You know, it was it was no good.

spk_0:   29:36
It was so dangerous. Like, I'm surprised that more of us didn't end up with stitches for many reasons, but specifically because of that picture. Yeah, um, and there was, like, you know, loose furniture in the place that they tried to move to the back, But the place was a very big I remember watching, uh and being very concerned, when do remember that being the South?

spk_1:   29:54
Yes, I remember them from Santa. Is the

spk_0:   29:56
South played? Yeah, the South plate. And they would like their symbols on fire in this in this small room, and I was very concerned that this building was gonna burn down. James usedto light his symbols on fire, and I was very concerned because this room is very small. It was a very tiny apartment.

spk_1:   30:14
Yeah, it was. It was It was a tiny little room, but, um, we had some great shows in their, um you know, the one that we always bring up and you brought it up before was that we saw fallout boy, like, a couple of months before they blew up open for Master Don. I mean, I don't give a shit about fall out. Boy, That's a funny story on career, but yeah,

spk_0:   30:34
that was That was I mean, that show was wild because I remember masses on being very loud. And then I remember I remember thinking that fall a boy when fall boy was on the show is kind of this doesn't make any sense, okay?

spk_1:   30:44
And they stayed with a good friend of ours. I remember they crashed at his house, and, um, I guess they gave him shit for being a Christian. And we're kind of dicks, which I was like, You know, seeing their how they behaved, you know, in the public eye. Once they became famous, I was like, Yeah, that makes sense.

spk_0:   31:02
Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah, it's

spk_1:   31:03
fine. We saw with honor embrace today modern life is worse. Very first tour with holding on. They came for that shows, so it was really awesome. Um, Down to nothing. The very I mean, I think it was one of the first DTN tours. They came down. Um, yeah, it was, you know, And that was before we even that they even have their full length that believes everyone was passing around a burn CD and then, like they came and then they would come back every a couple of months down the nothing was always there. Gosh, sacd Oh, hoods

spk_0:   31:36
was your hoods. Wait, was it? No, it was embraced today. The one that was that he was so straight edge that he didn't care. His mom was dying of lung cancer.

spk_1:   31:44
Yeah, that was when I kind of had my disconnect from straight as that guy was like, What? Folk imams? A fuckin idiot. And she's dying and, like his whole is whole pre song spiel was just say alright guy.

spk_0:   31:56
Yeah, I remember that being like, ooh, that's uncomfortable. So but But the place was cool. And so we have a lot of shows and when it was like packed, I mean, there's some really funny pictures that are, like all of us kind of crammed in this tiny room, all shoved together against this wall and just seeing these really cool bands and the venue itself was really, really fun. But I know there were some issues with, like, actually booking shows there and stuff.

spk_1:   32:19
Yeah, I'll give you 11 more story before we move on. This is before I actually began booking shows. It was the first TROIA show I ever tried to book in Daytona, and it was die young from Texas, and I was kind of friendly with their singer. And you say we're coming through with this band Spanish bombs and I'm like, Cool man, that's awesome. Like the guy who usually book the shows I didn't want to do it sounds like Okay, well, I'll do it. So I contacted Snake Lady on MySpace, you know, hanging me to the showbiz doing another member, and she's like Sure, whatever I lock it down, get the time, get the date and I tell the bands and you know, so they were all good. So, like a month later, I get there, you know, I'm prepared. I got my case of water for them. I got a box fan for them, you know, because used to get hot in there and the door's locked. I'm like, Well, I'm a little early, so let's not freak out yet. I waited. Nobody showed up. I was looking for skeletal. He didn't show up. The band show up finally and the place is locked and I double checked on my messages and I was like, I know I did it for this day and I did long story short a friend of our save the show and moved it over to another venue that night, which we'll talk about next. But we I got into such a MySpace diatribe with snake Lady, I I just shoot her out, you know, it was just like, this is so ridiculous and unprofessional like 24. What I what? I know about anything

spk_0:   33:46
and she's like my crystals. Didn't say you could do this.

spk_1:   33:49
Yeah, but her excuse and I'll never forget this. And it was so strange to me that she went with this. She could have said she forgot. She could have said she didn't give a shit. I would have taken all of those Val excuses. Instead, she says, I work in an abortion clinic and I don't come home until the blood stops flowing and price it just I was just like, If you're abortion clinic looks like the elevator scene from the Shining, that's not how you need to fucking do it, Okay,

spk_0:   34:20
that that is a problematic medical center.

spk_1:   34:23
Now, before we move on, I want to say I want to just name drop a few other bands that played at the coffee connection that people might know. I don't believe I said dead to fall, but they did. Majority rule, um, and Backstabbers incorporated.

spk_0:   34:37
And ah, it was cool because that at the same time, I want to say there were a couple of those bands that were associated with, like Page 99 stuff I know. Herum came and played there. Sometimes Richmond bands like don't like, was it? Stop It played there. Um, like, I think stop It played with majority rule. And so, like they're all kind of like the robotic Empire family, which is like stuff that I was super into. So it was really cool to see those bands, even though nobody really showed up because they more hardcore bins.

spk_1:   35:01
But that's the thing. I mean, they had. We had mixed bills and something for everyone on a lot of those shows. So it was always a fun time.

spk_0:   35:10
And when we talk about the next venue like, we're gonna talk about that like, it was always a fun time and we had those mixed bills. This is one of my favorite. This is actually probably my favorite place that we had shows before the last place,

spk_1:   35:21
the next venue were about to talk about here. It was kind of our heyday. This was when our band's really started to sort of pick up the local slack because all the other bands of broken up. So the bands that we were doing, the band we did together and some of our other associated bands. This was our time when kids would actually come out to see us, so it really turned and it was it was a really cool time, this next one, so I'll go ahead and introduce it.

spk_0:   35:49
This was the we were getting older. There were some people from the scene like from the church that we're kind of like they were on their way out. We were seeing some new kids come up in the scene that we're like that were really involved in really hype. We were a little bit jaded, but we saw a group of people that weren't so jaded. And so it was really cool to see this particular venue and kind of be on that end of it was like I would argue that this is probably where we peaked

spk_1:   36:10
it We've been in for about four or five years at this point. So at that point, we'd proved to a lot of people that are little group of kids was going to stick around and we were going to actually do things, you know, we were gonna do bands and put out zines and support the shows, and that's exactly what we did. And at our ah, number three spot, we have nice sleaze tavern,

spk_0:   36:35
which is exactly how it sounds like when we describe it gonna be like that. Sounds like a nice least. Tavern.

spk_1:   36:40
Yeah. So nicely is was also located on the beach side. But in an even worse area within the God connection, if you can fuckin believe it now, nicely is it was very odd construction for Florida because generally Florida is all one story. You know, Just you know, there's no basements here. We have addicts, but nobody goes up there except spiders. And people who want to die so nicely is was built on a hill. So when you entered, you were actually on the second floor and this shows space which will talk about a sec.

spk_0:   37:13
Well, real quick look like, Yes. So when you enter, you enter its street level. Yeah, that's that's the thing is like when you walk in the front door, you walk in to the second floor at street level because you have to walk downstairs into the venue, which is in the basement but also taking into the first floor because it's built on a hill and on the back end of the building. Technically, the basement is the first floor, so none of this architecture makes sense. It makes sense for being on a hill.

spk_1:   37:38
I'm honestly surprised it didn't fall down. So you walk in the street level. It's your typical Florida bar like nautical theme. There's like crab nets and harpoons and shit, your bartenders there of that baseball glove skin extraction, you know, your typical sort of day laborer Tan Florida bartender, the owner. His name was Kevin Nicely, and true to his name, he was quite nice. He was like Jimmy Buffett. If Margaritaville had been decimated by, like a Category five hurricane, that's what he kind of reminded me of.

spk_0:   38:09
Like a post apocalyptic Jimmy Buffett.

spk_1:   38:11
Yeah, basically. And you know, to his credit, this was a guy who opened his doors to us. So you walk in, there's the bar and a lot of us were underage at the time. Um, I don't think we were, but most of the kids who came out it was all ages. Show is long as you stayed downstairs. That's something I can't. I actually should. Stress is all these place we're talking about We're all ages. We were very spoiled, were extremely spoiled.

spk_0:   38:35
Oh, yeah.

spk_1:   38:35
You got the horrible bathroom that you can't go in because there's the piss puddle in there. That never dries up. He go down the stairs and then you enter what? Basically looks like a medieval dungeon.

spk_0:   38:45
It was like like he specifically went had somebody come in and design it with those big gray stones that you would see in a fucking castle.

spk_1:   38:53
Yeah, it was ridiculous looking, and I and honestly, in retrospect, they had mirrors on the ceiling. Do you remember that?

spk_0:   38:59
Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand why

spk_1:   39:02
I think it was some kind of after hours sex thing.

spk_0:   39:06
Why do you think that?

spk_1:   39:07
Because you got this, like, dungeon vibe to it. You got mirrors on the ceiling. Come on.

spk_0:   39:13
Okay. I mean, I'll go with that. I feel like that's only two reasons, though. So this so this place was it was again. It was not. It was not a very big room again, like, we didn't really get the spaces that were like concert halls or anything. But some of the best shows that we ever saw were at this place and some of the best events that we ever had, like, um, we talked about, I think was it municipal waste when they came to play

spk_1:   39:35
kids were there. Boogie board crowd surfing

spk_0:   39:38
Well, and they played during spring break. So, like everybody showed up in board shorts and brought boogie boards. And everybody was doing the Shaka sign like there's like, uh like I think somebody came with, like, zinc on their nose like that. Got the shows were so much fun they were in And not only were they fun, but they were really great bands that came to play here.

spk_1:   39:59
Oh, absolutely. Some of the biggest bands, like the mid two thousands, Like with punk and hardcore, They came through blacklisted crime in stereo Go it Alone Blue Monday Outbreak cast aside down to nothing And then bands like Backstabbers and fucking Do you remember when skit system yes, laid with Thomas Lindbergh on vocals from at the fucking Gates?

spk_0:   40:24
Yeah, so good. It was awesome, You know, one of my favorite shows there, and I referenced it when we talked about Lords. We got to see Breather, resist, and Lords and Coliseum, which they're all like, and we got to see them play at this little place and have our ears bleed over them. And there's there was probably not ah, bigger or better time than it was at this time.

spk_1:   40:44
No, I wouldn't think so. I mean, we just It was really are truly are heyday. And, you know, I always say that we were spoiled, but man, it was just so much fun. It was. I mean, that place was tiny. It got so unbelievably hot in there. But, I mean, when bands have come through, everybody would just lose their shit.

spk_0:   41:07
I was in a band called a Game of You, and we played our last show there, and that was one of the most fun shows that I ever played. And it was so, so insane. It was so ridiculous.

spk_1:   41:16
Yeah, there were people who

spk_0:   41:17
I was on the guitar swinging side of that, so I don't really remember a lot of it. Mikey was there for it, though, so he could probably speak more to the crowd experience.

spk_1:   41:25
There were people who literally, their feet didn't touch the ground for that entire set because people were just passing them around and they were just going crazy. I mean, it was it was a time that there were there wasn't a lot like it. It was definitely probably the the height of are seen. And, you know, credit needs to go where credits due Because the guy who booked all the shows in our town for almost two decades, I guess, um, you know, he just he knew so many people, and I don't know how he did, I guess, because you've been, you know, into punk rock since, like, 1981. But he just knew so many people and got so many amazing bands to come here, you know? So shoutouts ability that was, you know, we are lives would have been the same if he hadn't done what he did and booked booked the hundreds upon hundreds of shows at all these little weirdo places that became legendary toe sort like a decade. I mean, he was doing it for he was doing it in the nineties, so I mean, this is

spk_0:   42:23
yeah. I mean, it's been a long time.

spk_1:   42:25
Better part of two decades that he was doing this, I think.

spk_0:   42:27
Yeah, that's where we peek from here on out it all. It all goes down. But is there anything else you want to talk about? With that with nice. Please.

spk_1:   42:36
We have some honorable mentions to get to and then we have our final venue, so we'll just we'll call it that. This is this is the final venue on our list coming up in all the heartache that went with it.

spk_0:   42:52
The first place that we're gonna mention real quick is a place called the Union Hall. We weren't there very long. And there's not a lot to stay is a plumber's union and actually funny story. My grandfather was a plumber that used to go to that union hall. So when I told my mom we were playing shows the Union Hall, she's like, Excuse me. Imagine you're you mean where people plus

spk_1:   43:11
he imagine your grandpa coming into me like hell, Is this

spk_0:   43:14
so we got to see some really cool shows. There is a big open room. We got some. We had some cool Destro's, but we got to see bands like with honor, Mental, blacklisted Rise and Fall. Um, the band I used to love seeing there was Ah, Baron s baroness came to play there a couple times. Ah, and that was really cool before they kind of got really big. So it was a cool little spot.

spk_1:   43:34
It was a really cool spot. It didn't last that long, but it was a cool spot. Yeah, And so the other honorable mention we have a few of these is a place that still exists in Orlando called Uncle Lose. Now, we haven't really put any Orlando venues on here, but lose was sort of like our home away from home and right about the time that we were really enjoying our heyday, it nicely is Boom. He played in Orlando. We played it. Lose. This was the most hole in the wall whole I've ever seen. It was like a burning tire filled with beer pitchers. So the proprietor was named Lou and he was from I don't want to say he was from Jamaica, but he had the typical that typical accent. I don't know exactly where he is from. So, you know, his

spk_0:   44:17
accent was really, really thick and he sounded very Caribbean. Yeah, it sounded It sounded like that was the origin, but who knows? Because Lou is a mystery in himself.

spk_1:   44:27
What? Yeah, he was an enigma. I still don't know anything about that guy, But we played so many shows there and lewd and where earplugs Lou would take these big noise canceling headphones, the's big cans and put him on his head. And I remember one time it got a little too out of control because once again, tiny little place Lou saw some kids marsh ing, and he was a big dude, and he came out in the middle of the whole thing and he discuss Stop all of this. L a branch he called washing celebration.

spk_0:   45:00
Yeah, it was fantastic. That place was interesting because we played a show there one time and a gentleman. I was getting a little too rowdy. One of our friends confronted that person during our set. This rowdy gentleman left and came back in with a chainsaw and tried to start up a chainsaw in the middle of our set in the middle of this little tiny bar on Mills in Orlando.

spk_1:   45:22
And, you know, I remember being like, I don't I wasn't super, um, taken aback. I was like, What the fuck is this guy doing? And everybody was just, like, get the fuck out of here. And

spk_0:   45:34
I realized that was a problem. I think that, you know, a few years before I have been like this Guy's got a chainsaw and now it's kind of like this guy's got a chainsaw. Yeah, fart noises at

spk_1:   45:45
that place was definitely a haven for grifters and drifters, so Ah, a lot of rough people came in off the street. But, you know, that's that's what you had to deal with. Can I do the next one? Since I have a story? Yeah, it's a quick story. Um, across the street from the coffee connection it ran concurrently. Was this place called The Metal Lounge? And that was where see, there was a time in our town when we had two scenes. We had one that was like the quote unquote cool scene, and that was supposedly us. And then we had the other scene that was like the bozo seen. Now I'm using their words because that's not how it was. That was just a lot of misplaced elitism, but they had their own venue. It was the metal lounge directly across the street from us, and a lot of good shows came through their most specifically ringworm ringworm. And this was this was after the comeback, like this was, you know, birth is pain came out that kind of their hiatus. And I'm just like me. And if I could only get another ringworm record, and then they did. It

spk_0:   46:45
was the record after justice, replaced by revenge. Right?

spk_1:   46:47
I know this was this was on the justice, replaced by Revenge tour. Okay, I think so. They came through and I was just in my mind was so fucking blown. I was just like, fucking ringworm is playing in our fucking town. Are you kidding me? I lost my mind of that show. I could not be contained. And at the end of the show, I was so stoked they came there, you know, at the time. And they still are one of my favorite heavy metallic hardcore bands. I go up to the singer human furnace because if you don't know ringworm, you don't know that the fucking singer's name. He goes by the name Human furnace.

spk_0:   47:25
I wonder if he signs like his tax documents like that. Mr. Mr Human T furnace

spk_1:   47:30
proven his last implicit first furnace comma human. He's a little guy too. Although I wouldn't fuck with him as he looks like he could just tear your throat out. But I went up to them just like Dude, thank you so much for you guys playing here. You know, it was such a great show, and I shook his hand. And then as he turned away, when our interaction was done, I was like, Wow, like I acted like I was burned and only one other person saw it. Our friend Alex saw it, and it was probably the only time he laughed at anything I ever did. So I had to relate that you may you may continue our honorable mentions. I'm sorry.

spk_0:   48:02
I think that he played one show there and I might have given myself a concussion because I jumped up on the ceiling was really low with the end. So that was that. I think the only the only real memory I have of that place. Speaking of only minimal memories of a places, there was ah, venue that we had very briefly. That we got to use was the first unit Unitarian Church. And it was an actual church. It was in Ormond on beachside. Um, and the one show that I remember was crime in stereo scraps and heart attacks and it was a really cool show, like the first time I get. See crime stereos. The second time they played in town and I love that band. And so they got They got to play here a couple times. Um, scraps and heart attacks was really cool. I remember being really stoked about them at the time, and they all went to go do some really cool stuff. But I know that we had a second show there where Total Recall played, which is a band that I was in. But I quit. That

spk_1:   48:53
was the same show we played that show. It was the guy on Leo and we went When we say literal church, they let us play in the church. They moved the pews and we played like they the band set up. The drummer was unlike the riser, like the pulpit. It was ridiculous.

spk_0:   49:12
Yeah, it was. It was a little It was a little much, but it was a cool. It was a cool little space to have for that one show to see those bands played because they were there. That was a really fun show.

spk_1:   49:21
It was a much cleaner environment than we were used, Teoh. It

spk_0:   49:24
was it was uncomfortable. We had to get out of

spk_1:   49:25
there. And I just remember scraps and heart attacks. That was probably the first time any band I I like to cover kid dynamite. And I just had, like, like, a fucking mind or racing blackout. And I just ran all over the place.

spk_0:   49:37
So that was That was a fun one that is going.

spk_1:   49:40
And the last one, we both played us one

spk_0:   49:43
real quick. I have one. Let me let me know, because I want you to finish on this honora vengeance. I do want to mention that that the tonal also has a place called the Band Shell. In my first interaction and exposure Teoh music going back to my issue zero was actually going to see a show, our concert at the band Shell. And it was cheap trick when I was two years old. And, um and so so this place, the band shell Every now and again, we'll have, like, cover bands, play um, and it's it's pretty terrible. And it's outside. It's on the beach. But, um, I had to mention that because that was my issue. Zero because you got to have yours.

spk_1:   50:17
Yeah, yeah, I know it's famous. I mean, you can It's worth a Google. You can You can see it. It's It's a pretty crazy looking, uh, structure, but bad brains played there in the eighties. So there's there's footage online of bad brains, literally playing on the beach in Daytona,

spk_0:   50:33
I saw a black flag played here in Ormond. Um oh. Time in the eighties.

spk_1:   50:37
Yeah, I do. That must have been probably before we were born, But shit, man, our final honorable mention before we get to the the last of the venues. Okay, this was also in Orlando venue, much like uncle lose. It was called hoops with a Z. It was like lose. But in some way it was worse because at least lose had character hoops was just a shit hole. But we played so many good shows there, despite the fact that we were up to our ears in shit. And I remember one night the place double booked. If you could imagine, like, a fucking moldy shoe box like this place double booking. Basically, it was a crushed show and our show and all these, like super PC crust kids show up and then just like he man, let's combine this show. And I was, like, full on temperamental at the time. And I'm like a fuck that. And then we played in the back alley way instead. Well, both shows both shows took place at the same time. But I refused to fucking combined because it was like, Hey, man, let us let us combine the shows and then will play first. There was like, four bands, and I was already like, 10 o'clock. And I had to go to work in the morning and I'm like, No, never. So yeah, that's sort of winds up our honorable mentions. I mean, we could probably and there have been so many one offs we could go on forever.

spk_0:   51:53
Yeah, we could talk about black box. We could talk about any storage unit that we ever played in, like there's a whole bunch of things that we could cover. But we don't need to cover any of those because we're gonna end this list with one of the coolest venues that we had access to. And it's a shame that it didn't pick up more steam over over the years because it was something that was really kind of like this diamond in the rough type of situation. But it was like a rough. It was more like rough in the rough. It was still a cool place to play. And the only reason that we had this place is because Mikey went out of his way and after all, was said and done. So I'm gonna let you kind of run with this one.

spk_1:   52:26
I drove by the building the other day and it's not there anymore. It's going literally. It's literally an empty field. It's been knocked down, so this will end on a bit of a downer. So my apologies, but so we've gone chronologically from the late nineties, all the way up Now we may have missed a few things on the way, but we got all the We've got all the big places now this last place, it was almost like it was like on borrowed time. That's how it felt. And it wasn't just me at the beginning, it was a friend of ours named Pat, who's probably not, doesn't want to be friends anymore, because I literally raked vegans over the coals last week. But I still love Pat, Pat and I. We were in a band called Axis, which is still a band. I'm not in it anymore. I quit

spk_0:   53:09
and they're better now.

spk_1:   53:10
Yeah, they are better now. There are metal band now. They're not even hardcore. Been. We were looking for a place Teoh do shows here in town because we mentioned the guy before that did this shows in town and he kind of it was kind of over for him, which is understandable. He became a father and all that. So no, nothing begrudging against him. But we still wanted to play, and we didn't know what to do. So somehow we found this place. It started off with last show for one of our old bands, a reunion show for one of our old bands, and it just sort of went from there, and that place was called the Lions. Then

spk_0:   53:44
I really loved this venue because it was like a cool space tohave. It was reminiscent of the church, except if the church was in a Cormack McCarthy book.

spk_1:   53:55
So it was the Daytona Beach Lions Club, and it was such an old building I mean, it was really it was kind of fallen down around our ears, but that was fine, because we're just like we just want a place to play shows. It was uncomfortable because some some awesome person pulled up in the middle of the night and literally stole the air conditioning unit.

spk_0:   54:18
Yeah, I hear the copper is worth a lot.

spk_1:   54:20
Yeah, so I mean, the roof was the shingles have basically all fallen off. I feel like the building was leaning and the Lions Club, they basically left everything there. There was just rooms that it was like a thrift store threw up. And then it

spk_0:   54:35
was a building literally constructed out of mildew.

spk_1:   54:38
It was just odds and ends and all these back rooms, But the main room there was already, like, a stage riser there. So we had a little stage. I had a p a and we just made it happen.

spk_0:   54:51
There was there was a big wall that had all the lines den like club members, the lions, Clubman members.

spk_1:   54:58
It was all the presidents,

spk_0:   54:59
all the presidents, and there were so many old white guys.

spk_1:   55:03
It was the white est of guy. It

spk_0:   55:05
was decades and decades in decades. I mean, it went back. I want to say that Wall went back all the way through the fifties.

spk_1:   55:11
I think it went back even further than that might. And it

spk_0:   55:14
was just a bunch of white guys that look like the they looked like extras in movies about nasa during like the moon landing. Yeah, they like Apollo 13. Like it's a bunch of Apollo 13 extras.

spk_1:   55:28
Yeah, it was It was a really strange place. But we did. We did a lot of benefits shows there because it was affiliated with this center for the blind, The Conklin Center for the Blind, which is right down the street. So we actually did benefit shows. And once the word got out, you know, Pat ended up moving away, and I just kind of took everything over so I would enlist everybody. I'm like, I need you to watch the door, and I need you to fuckin you know, by some toilet paper and, like, you know, whatever.

spk_0:   55:56
I spent my my tenure there as a bouncer,

spk_1:   55:59
and that kind of leads into the downfall. There were some really shitty kids who kind of took it for granted much more than we ever took anything for granted. But before I get there, I just want to kind of talk about what the place meant. It was an old, broken down, smelly ass fucking building, but it also doubled as our practice space. So the bands that we were in at the time we were practiced there, we would place shows there. We probably had maybe two shows a month for a while, and it wasn't like the old days. It was a different vibe, but we still tried to carry forth that D I. Y thing, like All Ages shows $5 at the door.

spk_0:   56:35
All the money goes back to the band's absolutely bands like It was absolutely like the ethos was exactly what it was supposed to be. That's what punk shows should have been. I think what was hard about that is being on the other side of it and watching these kids who just didn't know, because now it's gone. Now the building is gone, but shows don't exist here in town, not not the way they used to. And I don't think that they realize how important that scene was for us or for like, kids that were like us. It's a shame that they missed out on such a really great thing. I mean, maybe they have their own experiences and they'll do their own ship. It's a shame that they missed out on it because they could have had something really great with that space

spk_1:   57:13
the whole point. And not to be not to belabor it too much or to try to make myself sound noble cause I wasn't trying to be, and I got a lot of help from my friends, so it wasn't like I was spearheading everything, but I wanted to have what we had for a younger generation because there most definitely was a generation behind us. Some of them have never been to an all ages show. They'd only been two shows, the bars, they couldn't get in, you know, they had to sneak in. Then maybe some of them never seen a show like this. Where was just five bucks to get in? And you know, you can spend the rest of your money on records or on a T shirt, and I just thought it was important that we have this outlet. And of course, I wanted a place for our bands to play two.

spk_0:   57:56
It was supposed to be something bigger and was supposed to be something that was meaningful for people who hadn't gotten that experience.

spk_1:   58:01
Yeah, for a while, it waas. I took it very seriously. And when I say I gave all the money to the bands, I gave all the money to the bands. I would spend money on toilet paper for the bathroom, a case of water. I bring my own fans and have I'd have five extra cords that have extras of everything is everything always breaks. I know this, right? I've been on the fuckin road. I know what it's like. I would clean the bathroom before they came because there's nothing worse than when you drive for eight hours and then the place that you're going to take a shit looks like a bacteria trap. I had people at the door If I wasn't in the door, you were at the door, some of our other friends with the door, and they made sure that people paid their five bucks and a t end of the night. I would be able to give a touring band $250 which for a lot of beings is a lot of fucking money, and I'd pay the locals to sometimes the locals of Walk With 50. I took money one time to replace a my court one single time. And that's not me saying, Look how fucking cool I am. That's me saying that is the standard. That is what you are supposed to do. That's how this whole thing works,

spk_0:   59:11
right? You know, going back to I think it was important toe to recognize like we did it ourselves. We were able to support touring bands who were working bands. They were bands on tour for a month, two months at a time, like and for anybody who's never experienced that, that is hard.

spk_1:   59:27
It's the worst shit ever. It's

spk_0:   59:28
terrible, so hard because especially like when you're younger or like you're like you've got all its energy. It's like you don't know if you're gonna get to the next place like you don't know if you're gonna have gas for the next venue you don't really know. And so to get $250 for a show in a dumpy little town that was huge. And that's part of why are seen was so great is because that's what we carried on,

spk_1:   59:47
you know, we had it for a couple of years and they were good years. We had some really great shows. It finally all came to a head when it was an all ages place. There was no bar there. And I'm not straight edge. I don't give a shit. You want a drink? You don't smoke weed. I don't care what you dio. That's fine. I'm not judgmental about it. But we had a lot of underage kids who were bringing beer to the shows, and they wouldn't bring it inside because they knew that the people of the door would stop them. But what they would do is drink it in the parking lot, and it was just a big field. It wasn't even a parking lot, but they would. They would get fucked up in the parking lot, come in and then they would drive home drunk, and I'm just like there's some responsibility here. They're coming to my event. They're underage, they're drinking. Nobody is policing it. So the people who owned the building. They weren't into that. And I wasn't into it either. And I remember I made an announcement on Facebook. Like, you know, this shit has to stop. This isn't how you keep a venue, OK? Because we're gonna lose this place. The people who own it do not want 16 year old kids drinking in the parking lot. It's too much liability, right? And what I got was this torrent of the most selfish, fucking stupid bullshit that I've ever seen directed at me. Fuck you. That police sucks. You only get shitty bands. The shows were too expensive. $5. It was just It went on and on and on and on and on. And I'm a very I can be very temperamental person. I do like to argue. I get fired up. I want to get angry, But I remember what I did. I just I replied back to the whole thread. I said, you're exactly right. And I deleted the whole Facebook and I gave the keys back to the owner,

spk_0:   1:1:28
and that was it.

spk_1:   1:1:29
And that was it. And that was the end of our basically our final storied venue Here we went out not with ah bang, but with a whimper.

spk_0:   1:1:38
Right before we ended up handing the keys over and we cleaned the place out, you know, and got it. Kind of like, ready to be torn down.

spk_1:   1:1:45
They leveled it.

spk_0:   1:1:45
I have a picture in my office that is the size of a fucking car hood. And it's, ah, line walking around in New York. And it's like, I think the one of the only thing that's left over from that building that any of us have.

spk_1:   1:1:59
Yeah, I have a sign, but your picture sounds way cooler.

spk_0:   1:2:03
Yeah, it's a little ridiculous. And people ask about it all the time and I have to go. Okay, well, we're a bunch of dirty punk kids that ran a shitty show system out of, ah, leaning building like that's Nobody understands it. So I'm just kind of like I found it. It really

spk_1:   1:2:18
signaled the end of my tenure. And I mean, you know, we still played playing bands or about to go record, you know, next month. But I just knew that it wasn't my world anymore. For better or worse, maybe I could have tried harder. But once all that happened. I was like, I'm over it. I'm not gonna be I'm not going to be treated that way. I'm not gonna let my friends and everything we've done be treated that way. I'm not gonna let this thing be just shoved to the side because you're too fucking selfish.

spk_0:   1:2:49
Yeah, you just don't get it. You just deal. You just don't get

spk_1:   1:2:54
it. The lion's den was a rial. It was a real thing for me. And for all of us.

spk_0:   1:2:59
I think it was Ah, nice end cap to kind of the Daytona. Seen that we knew and loved.

spk_1:   1:3:05
Well, it was appropriate, I guess. But I don't know if it was nice, but it was appropriate.

spk_0:   1:3:10
Okay, so now that Mikey's blamed everybody else,

spk_1:   1:3:12
Yeah, let's pick it up. Let's pick it up.

spk_0:   1:3:14
Let's pick it up. Yeah, we talked about venues and kind of what that looks like in our town. But we also, like, spent a lot of time playing out of town, and we wanted to do a quick top five countdown of the weirdest venues that we played. So and this is where Mikey enters a little fanfare. Theo. 1st 1 my number five for this is I. The first band I played in way didn't have an official place to play yet. We hadn't played our first show. We're we're getting ready to play the church. But we had never played a live show, so we wanted to get a little bit practice. So we decided to play it at our guitar players 17th birthday Party. So we played in his driveway and played a bunch of songs about having sex with dead animals. Because that's what our singer like to sing about. For some reason. Killer. Yes, super cool. And he was also, like, five years older than us and was really strange. And we played in the driveway and across from where we were playing was, ah, Bounce House because they also his parents pay for a bounce house at his 17th birthday party. That's awesome. So that's my number five.

spk_1:   1:4:24
Well, my number five is a place that we actually both played together. It is a motel lobby somewhere in the Willie Wags down in South Florida. The what will you really wags? Oh, yeah, Minutes out there now, there's not much to say about it. We played in a straight up motel. Not a hotel, but a motel lobby about two feet from where they serve Continental breakfast. I don't know why it happened. I feel like it could only have happened pre social media and we just showed up and they're like, Yeah, I just put your stuff in there and we played and kids were jumping all over the place, and then we didn't think that much about it. So that's my number five.

spk_0:   1:5:04
Number four for me was a skate park, and its key parts were not generally a weird place to play. But the skate park that we played and we played on top of a ram. It was also the middle of June or July, so this was a weird time for me. So maybe this was just enhanced by all the weirdness. So, um, it had been two months after my divorce and I was getting calls from my ex while we're playing in the middle of day, June in June in Florida, which is already 100 degrees inside a skate park, which is over 100 degrees. And I'm I I'm pretty sure after the fourth song I was dehydrated.

spk_1:   1:5:38
Yeah, That was a brutal show. It was

spk_0:   1:5:40
That was wrong. Ruutel show And what was weird about it? Just like the context. But it was also playing in a band on top of a skate ramp.

spk_1:   1:5:46
It was skatepark at Tampa, right?

spk_0:   1:5:48
Yes. Skatepark at Tampa. It was a fast I think it was a

spk_1:   1:5:52
big, fast, significant fest. Shout out to Tom Significant. I know he was listening to the last episode, so Hey, Tom.

spk_0:   1:5:58
Yeah, Cool. Awesome. So Ah, yes, it was. It was a weird show.

spk_1:   1:6:01
Yeah, we also saw 108 play at that fest and killing time. Or at least I did. I feel like you left, but yeah, I

spk_0:   1:6:07
probably left because I was probably having a panic attack.

spk_1:   1:6:10
My number four on my list here. It simply says club with Cage. I don't know what it was I barely remembered at this point, but it was also someplace in South Florida That isn't Miami Fort Lauderdale, reading those other places that people know somewhere in the woods, I don't know, but we played down there, and we we we enter this club and it's a real club. And in there's a stage and everything. But there is a giant like jungle gym cage that I believe was over a dance floor. And I just thought it was strange and I remarked on it, I'm sure I had some sort of eyes wide shut s and M conspiracy theory that went with it at the time. But, you know, looking back, it could have just been a jungle gym.

spk_0:   1:6:52
Yeah, I feel like you are kind of focused on that weird done Ginny s and M thing, cause that's a second venue mentioned. That's got that vibe

spk_1:   1:7:00
throw. People are fucked up.

spk_0:   1:7:02
So my number three is Ah, Barn. And we played this show together to We played in Gainesville, Florida If you're not familiar with Gainesville, we mentioned it in Episode two in Okeechobee Kenobi. And so we talk about Gainesville kind of being this weird punk mecca. But sometimes when you play shows there, you don't play until four in the morning, and sometimes it's in a barn in somebody's backyard. And sometimes the cover is just bringing a cup or a keg. This show was weird Onley because we played in a barn where the cover was bringing your cup But we also got filmed for a documentary that I don't think I ever saw anything like it. Never saw the light of day. So I don't know who filmed it. What was filmed. I know I was interviewed. I don't know anything more about that. I want to know where that that

spk_1:   1:7:48
I wish I had that footage. My God, what was that 2002 or something

spk_0:   1:7:53
that had to be in 2002 or 2003?

spk_1:   1:7:55
Oh, man. Yeah, we Gainesville, it's It's like you don't play till four in the morning. So, technically, this show is not even the date that's on the Flyer. It's the next day. So, um, my number three was a backyard in New Orleans?

spk_0:   1:8:10
Nah, Linz.

spk_1:   1:8:11
I mentioned a trip to New Orleans last week, and I feel I should clarify. I said everybody I was with was a fucking idiot, and that wasn't true. I was just in the throes of some temper tantrum. It was my very first bands first foray into New Orleans. We went to Louisiana, play Baton Rouge in New Orleans, and it was amazing. I mean, it's suck that I had to eat vegan food, but the trip was fantastic. So if I remember correctly, we showed up at the venue in the venue. The show was canceled and there were already kids there. And this girl comes up to us and she just like, Don't worry. You guys complain my backyard number like, Oh, man, this sounds reliable. So we pile into the van, we follow her and we're out somewhere. And a really nice suburb of New Orleans. I mean, it looked, the houses were Here's a look like castles. So we get there and we're just like, Are we the only ones here? And then all these cars start pulling up just tons and tons and tons of kids parking on the lawn and then ban start showing up. We played with, like, four bands, and I don't even think they were on the original show. She just knew Pete.

spk_0:   1:9:16
She found them.

spk_1:   1:9:17
I remember we set up in the backyard. There was like a concrete slab under, like all this nice lighting. And, you know, they had, like, hammocks and shit, and kids were just openly getting fucked up. And the parents, their home, and they are fucking loving every minute of it. It was a great show. And then the parents said, like Come on in and they fed everybody dinner. And then they let us crash there in their nice, beautiful house we didn't even know we had made would even know the daughter's name. I don't know her name to this day. They let all the kids pass out that let all the bands pass out. We all slept there. I woke up in the morning to a fucking continental breakfast that they made. They had eggs and bacon and fruit and shit. I mean, it was amazing. And then we got a flat in front of their house and they didn't help us change it. But, you know, I think Oh, yeah. How far does your hospitality extend? It was one of the most amazing experiences I've ever had in my life. And I've never changed a tire on the van. So I learned how to do it specifically on the van, where to put the jack that day? Because that

spk_0:   1:10:18
was that's, like a whole movie.

spk_1:   1:10:20
Yeah, well, we had our friend Kareem with us, and I haven't talked to cream in a while. I feel bad, but he

spk_0:   1:10:26
just had another baby.

spk_1:   1:10:27
They just had the baby. Uh huh. Oh, shit. They didn't know that. You

spk_0:   1:10:33
should probably reach out them.

spk_1:   1:10:34
Um, but our friend Kareem, who ended up like stage managing all these metal bands and being this personality in the metal world he came along with us and kept us alive. He taught us how to change a tire on her own band, so that's fantastic. Yeah. So that was my number three.

spk_0:   1:10:50
All right. My number to a leaky record store. This was not on my my list originally. So we played, uh, and this is actually probably one of our more recent shows. Um, we played a benefit show at the local Confederacy record store that we talked about on. We played in the back storage room. We don't get to play in the actual record store. We played in the back storage room and we played with our friends and bad luck, which was Ah, big fund show. And there was a lot of stuff. There are a lot of people there, but it was raining, and this building is old. And while we're playing, it was leaking onto us and onto our equipment, and I'm I was fairly certain that all of us, we're gonna die. What was weird about it was there was a venue that we had never played. That was a record store. Those in town that we didn't know could be a venue that we played in their storage space in the back, which we didn't know that existed. And then and then we were pretty much on the verge of death the entire show.

spk_1:   1:11:47
It was a good show, though, and I remember as a kid, I knew that room was back there. I didn't know that they let guys play back there, but I remember the owner used to let me go back there and get all the fat wreck and Nitro Records promo posters. Let's go Number two skating rink. And you know, a lot of these crazy experiences always happen with my first band, cause it was just the time we don't really know what we're doing, And it was pre social media, so we were just kind of playing everything by ear. So we wind up in a skating rink somewhere in Florida. I don't remember where in Florida. It is. And we're thinking, Oh, side room, something like that. They like No, no, no, no. You see the, ah, the big work tour stage that we erected out on the actual floor of the rink like, Yeah, they're like, Yeah, you're up there. You're, like, eight feet taller than everybody. Really. Holy shit. So we get up there and, you know, we got it actually had a sound guy way in the back, and he knew he definitely let us all know that he done sound for Creed. So that was something. And school. We wanted

spk_0:   1:12:48
to take you higher.

spk_1:   1:12:48
Oh, yeah, he did. We played the show, and it was just a bunch of like preteens skating around. And I remember I don't I don't like Earth crisis. But this band we used to cover firestorm because everybody you sing along was like a big sing along song Way played firestorm for a bunch of preteen kids on roller skates and nobody knew what it was. We had our buddy Tom with us, who is actually a successful chef now. But at the time, Tom just kind of wanted to get crazy, and he just ran around just flopping himself all over the place, not straight edge. Just scream in his face off to fire store

spk_0:   1:13:27
that that is very Tom. All right, so my number one, it's a living room. So one time my very first show with a game of you I rode for 13 hours in a minivan full of equipment with a bunch of people that I didn't know to play in a living room in Richmond to play with cursed. And we literally only played one show on that entire trip. We drove the Richmond for one show. We played in the living room of the dudes from that being my war slept in the same room that we played in,

spk_1:   1:14:00
which is always terrible,

spk_0:   1:14:01
which is always terrible. I forgot my pillow. So I slept on a phone book and then spent two more days in Richmond where I spent all my money at a record store. And I didn't have any food for two days because I spent all my money cause I was 17 years old. I had no idea how the tour

spk_1:   1:14:19
planned nine, right.

spk_0:   1:14:20
Plan nine. Yeah. That place is great. I got Ah, I gotta some girl. Seven inch. And I got a ah, Mars Volta record. And I think maybe it against me record

spk_1:   1:14:29
none of those air better than food, but okay.

spk_0:   1:14:31
Yeah. No. Yeah. I couldn't eat any of those things

spk_1:   1:14:34
Three days into the tour, and he doesn't know it on a seven inch on the sidewalk, just covered in newspapers

spk_0:   1:14:40
to be fear that some girl seven serves as better is food.

spk_1:   1:14:44
Oh, yeah, I was God Awful.

spk_0:   1:14:46
So that was my number one.

spk_1:   1:14:47
All right. Some my number one. So actually have two number ones. I'll be quick about it cause they're both in the same town, only a couple of blocks from each other. There's a town called Lake Wales. Ah, in the center of the state of Florida. Somehow we played a bunch of shows down there. We had a friend down there and he would book us. Now I use the term book lightly because the first time that we went down the Lake Wales play show was actually successful. The show happened and we played in a combination pawnshop video store, thrift shop, hardware store. We played in the back. We played in the bag next to the saws and it was cool. That was fine. And then we were asked back the next month, and so same guy was doing this show and he's like, Yeah, you're gonna play in the park So he said, That sounds strange, but we made the four hour drive. Anyway, we show up, there's three bands on the bill were closing, and it's in the middle of park in the middle of a city centre to bands play before us and then is literally As soon as we plug our instruments in, the cops show up and they're like, You can't play here and we're like, you know, thinking they'd understand we like, but we drove like, four hours, and they're like, That was fucking stupid. Can't play here.

spk_0:   1:15:56
You rationalize your like No, no, listen.

spk_1:   1:15:58
Yeah, and they're just like we don't give a shit that's really dumb. And, uh, get a job way ended up staying at a campground that night. One of the kids who was at the show, but we didn't actually stay. We didn't actually camp because his family owned. It was like Camp Crystal Lake, and they lived in a house and they let us stay in the house there. They gave us the run of the place because this place was like a campground for kids. Like like some salute your shorts. Shit. So, you know, they had trampolines. They had a gymnasium, They have bikes, and we just We just ran around all night. So it was a very strange, strange thing that we didn't even get to play. Yes. So that's That's my number

spk_0:   1:16:36
one. Yeah, that's those are all weird. Like you're I think you're zahr were of the mine because you've got cages and skating rinks and stuff like that. So now it is time for our regular segment. Explain this band, Explain this band. What the fuck did you become wants in your book? This week is my thoughts. One is not a divisive as the other picks that we've discussed before. I

spk_1:   1:17:07
mean, I'll find something to hate about it. I will.

spk_0:   1:17:08
Yeah, and I think that you definitely did. So this be And it's not even a band. It's one guy. And I picked this one because Mikey mentioned not liking solo bands and mention not liking the that trend and punk music, where these guys were fronting these bands and they were really great and they went off to do solo records. So Mikey doesn't like things like Chuck Ragan or Tim Berry or anything like that. So I didn't pick any of those things. You got it. I picked Dave Haas Bury me in Philly. Now, if you're not familiar with Dave Haas, he was in many influential Philippians. Most notably, I would say, would be the loved ones. That's the one that I I got into contact with him initially. My favorite thing that he's done is actually the second painted black record because he was a guitar player on the second painted black. And that is probably my favorite thing that he's been on. Um, and, you know, keep your heart. I have a big loved ones tattoo on my chest. So I love the loved ones, too. But Dave Hospital, this solo record called Bury Me in Philly and hey, tours of this band called The Mermaid. So it's Dave Hostin the Mermaid, this mermaid. Ah, I think that's what it is.

spk_1:   1:18:25
All right, Continue.

spk_0:   1:18:26
Okay. So thanks for your permission to talk about this band that I picked So hey puts out the solo record. It's, I think, the third full link that he's put out. And he has some of the best rock n roll down home, like very Southern 20 type of vibe to it. But like some of the songs on it are some of the best songs he's ever written. Um, With You is my favorite song on that album. It is so good and it opens up this record and just like the the just I just a perfect song. It's a perfect song and you can't say anything bad about that song. So go ahead. I want to hear what you have to say about this band. You explain yourself to this band.

spk_1:   1:19:02
Alright, well, here's what I'll say. I like I was that his name was Dave House, so I think he's pronounced along thing. He's pronouncing his own name wrong, But, um uh, I actually I always like Dave Haas because I really you know, when I found out about, I guess it was his first be under one of his first beings, the Philly curse, the curse I was I love that being, because to me they sort of sounded like kid dynamites, little brother. And I was, you know, I've always been obsessed. Kid dynamite. Yeah, and I really loved it. And, you know, I was always like this before I knew he loved ones were And I'm like, Who's the guy with, like, the cool singing voice in the background. Then the loved ones came out, and I was into that. I liked it, but like you said, I just don't understand when these guys go solo. I think it's kind of like an insult to the idea of what a band is. I didn't get into punk rock because I was fascinated by, you know, a singular personality. I always liked the group aesthetic.

spk_0:   1:20:05
You were never a David Lee Roth guy. You were a Van Halen guy.

spk_1:   1:20:08
Yeah, basically, even though I don't give a shit about Van Halen, that's

spk_0:   1:20:12
wrong. Um, that's not correct.

spk_1:   1:20:14
No, what I'm saying is like you gave the example of Tim Berry. It's like I don't I've seen Tim Berry and it's God awful. I want to hear avail if you don't want to play a veil songs anymore. I guess I understand that, but I but I don't at the same time, Chuck Ragan. It's like of all the ones that have gone solo, he's the one I see that, you know, it makes the most sense to me. And I'm not saying Dave Haas is a bad songwriter. He's not. He's a great songwriter, and I listen to some of this record and I definitely don't dislike it. But I just don't understand why they choose to do this over the loved ones of the curse or whoever else some other being he could put together. I just I like bands. I don't like people, Okay, I just I And and you know what? Not that I'm I'm friends with them. I don't know him, but like I, I met him after a show one time and said, Hey, do thanks so much for playing. It was an awesome show. Thanks, and he was super friendly and nice. So nothing against him. I just do not understand when these people, it's just like, Oh, I'm just gonna call it myself. I like band names. Band names are fun to may. I don't like when it's just a dude's name. I don't know,

spk_0:   1:21:23
okay. I mean, that's fine um I mean, I think that your opinion is wrong,

spk_1:   1:21:27
but I think

spk_0:   1:21:28
that in the history of the world, where opinions, by their very nature, cannot be wrong, you have achieved something that humano human in history has, which is that your opinion is wrong.

spk_1:   1:21:38
Well, thank you.

spk_0:   1:21:39
Yeah. So, congratulations on that. I Yeah, I give this album 4.5 out of five Woes.

spk_1:   1:21:46
Who won't? All right, well, this is our longest episode yet, so I think it's high time we wind this fucker down.

spk_0:   1:21:57
Yeah, we did cut the shit out.

spk_1:   1:21:58
Oh, yes. I'm basically lost my entire voice. Yeah. Don't listen to this deal. Headphones. It's gonna sell like there's a cheese grater on my lair inks. That's fine. We'll be back next week with another installment of one on one r five. So we can tell you which what we like so that you can like it too. And we can all be the same. So until then, annihilate this week and good night, Mr Allen. Wherever you are.