003 - Analog Boiz

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only plus die, you fuck! You

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probably field new X man.

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Hold on, Hold on.

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It is an X man. Do I say X man or person? Okay, okay. That's why I was asking. Screen read. Rob Lee Field Major ex new comic details Deadpool Creator introduces new X Men character in major Ex comic. What's this guy look like?

spk_0:   0:36
He looks like over Commander.

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Wait, that's That's you in dental. Do you see in his face? Yeah, I see. He's got a X on his face.

spk_0:   0:44
Yeah, Major X dude, he is like, he's t like I feel like everybody with an ex watches so stoked right now.

spk_1:   0:52
Oh, my God. I'm so glad that leg I don't go to shows anymore because this guy would be on like everybody's shirt. Every lame fucking straight edge band would just be like, Major. There'll be a band called Major Exit.

spk_0:   1:03
Probably already is. There's probably already have been called me direct, and I can't wait to see some straight edge band that makes these helmets

spk_1:   1:10
Well, that I might be into I mean, you know, I don't know. I just cause because there's there's something comical about it. I mean, in my whole beef. A straight edge is that so many of them just take it so

spk_0:   1:21
seriously. I think that was like my favorite thing about hard core merch was like You'd show up and you have some novelty, like 100 demons. Bonds

spk_1:   1:32
rob, we field. It says here he's quite controversial. That's because he made Deadpool, right?

spk_0:   1:36
Yeah, but also a controversial because he can't draw feet. Everybody's feet or two small like he doesn't understand anatomy like That's his thing. Like he doesn't understand, like human anatomy. So every every bit of proportion is way off.

spk_1:   1:48
Maybe it's just like his perspective. Like he's he's got, like, a bird's eye view. And that's what feet look like to him. If maybe he just thinks feet are disgusting. We don't need these on the character. No, no, no, not today. No. None of these. Get your filthy little gargoyles out of my panels. Welcome to I don't want to hear it. I am Mikey

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and I am shamed.

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And this is the podcast where we talk about punk rock. Wait a minute. Where two washed up guys, I don't even I don't like the tagline. I don't want to do the tagline anymore. Okay? We like to

spk_0:   2:28
We're too old punks that talk about punk rock because we don't have anything else to do.

spk_1:   2:31
Let me just tell you this, Okay? If you start with episode three, you're doing yourself a disservice, okay? Because we have done We have built a narrative to this moment in time. And if you want to just punch yourself in I mean, this is like if you start game of Thrones that, like, the red wedding, you're gonna have any idea what's going on? All right, so that's

spk_0:   2:50
Ah, don't get that reference.

spk_1:   2:52
All right, So our topic at hand today, I thought it would be interesting because I've actually never talked about this with anybody, Really? But my girlfriend, Annie, um, and, uh, it's how our generation was the last to experience music, pre Internet. I mean, that it's all music I'm saying, but, like specifically punk rock, aggressive music, underground music, the D I y thing, we got it before the Internet got ahold of it. We we've seen it from both sides. Which is why I think we're interesting. Our generation, not us. We're boring.

spk_0:   3:28
Yeah, we're boring. But I think, yeah, I think that I think this idea of like, we kind of like we grew up in a time where, like, you came in when the street lights were on and now you get a push notification saying that you're supposed to be in bed. Like I think that's kind of like this funny thing that we exist in, right, Like And you know, I think I think that we got have that one last bit of experience before this type of thing was easily accessible to people like,

spk_1:   3:52
I mean, to say that it's not it wasn't easily accessible. I'm just saying it's kind of all laid out. Now you just go to YouTube, look up the show, see how people look and boom, you're in. I mean, I just remember everybody back in the day we had No, I hate saying the phrase back in the day, too. Back when we were first getting into it, let me let me amend that, Um, I feel like everybody had such a goofy, stupid look about them because we didn't We didn't we didn't have anything to gauge it by. That's why everybody had the stupid hair, you know, half as Mohawks, leaning over to the side and everybody you know, I'm gonna wear plaid pants and put, you know, spikes on this shit.

spk_0:   4:30
It was shot with their stores. You shop it like the third stores. Like the estate sales were like you would buy dead people's clothes and just get a golf pants and stuff like that. Yeah, No, I think it was, um, you know, I don't know how I, like, even really came into contact with stuff like that. Like, I don't remember going to the mall in finding flyers or plugging in like you mentioned or like, anything like that. But, I mean, I do remember like I can't and I'm I'm really excited. Kind of dig into this because I remember probably one of my favorite things was going to shows and buying new music. Oh, yeah, because you actually find it like because you couldn't just go online because the internet hadn't even been connected yet.

spk_1:   5:09
No one plugged it in.

spk_0:   5:10
No employees didn't. It was all it was a mess.

spk_1:   5:12
Their mess There was There was something. There is something to be said, of course, for the ease of access. I'm not a Spotify user, so I'm I'm still like you would consider me, like, a generation behind. I stream like movies and TV shows, but I don't I just don't want to stream music for some reason. But at any rate, like, you know, there is something to be said for just being able to download something real quick. I mean, you know, I have I have hundreds and hundreds of gigs of music that I don't own. But I also have a lot of music that I own. But there's stuff I would have never been exposed. Thio never would have gotten if I hadn't been able to download it. Some grateful in that respect. But I think the key thing here is balance. And that is what I see that people do not have. Everyone wants to give themselves over to this. They want to be a part of the cloud. And I say, Fuck that, that sky net. So you know, you need to You need to retain some semblance of your humanity or you all will be lost.

spk_0:   6:11
Okay, So s O B s o. We have treated you all with the rant before you even understand what we're talking about. Really? So let's start from the beginning.

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I thought it was I thought it was.

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Are we going for

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Reince? What else? What else am I good at? I'm not know anything.

spk_0:   6:27
I know I'm fine with that. But I also want to orient people toe. Why

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you let us let us begin

spk_0:   6:32
When I was growing up in the late eighties, early nineties, um, most of the nineties. Really? Um, you know, I my experience with music and kind of getting exposed to punk rock in general. We talked about in the first episode where, like, my first exposure was like green day and rancid and no down, kind of like that punk Scott explosion in the early nineties. So

spk_1:   6:52
full time.

spk_0:   6:52
Yeah, it was great. And so, you know, kind of digging into that like, you know, for me, finding music was I listened to the radio nonstop, like because I loved the radio station that we had. Crow radio is just a really cool radio station, so I would listen to stuff I would get hooked on a song and I would save up all my money to go buy a CD? Um, no, I wouldn't go to the local record store because I didn't know that that our local record store exist existed at the time. So

spk_1:   7:19
I really had we had to local record stores at the time, one of which no longer exists.

spk_0:   7:24
And the other one is run by the sons of the Confederacy. So yeah, well, air thing. So, um, so I remember going to the mall and buying CDs. So yes, So, like at the time, there was an F Y E. That's not the current F fly, and it was super expensive.

spk_1:   7:41
They resurrected F Y E a couple years ago at our local mall Devolution mall here in Daytona. It's like and I thought, I'm walking, You know, I'm buying work clothes, which, you know, I'm buying clothes. Thio. I'm spending money on clothes I don't wanna wear to Ah place. I don't want to go, you know? I mean, it's just a terrible thing. I'm walking through the mall. I don't want to be there. And I see those glowing three letters and I'm like, Oh, my God! And I thought I was gonna step back in time and then I walk in there and it's all those little funk oh, pop things And, like Game of Thrones T shirts. And they have, like, five DVDs in a pile in the back. It was fucking ridiculous.

spk_0:   8:18
Yeah, it's not the same by anybody's

spk_1:   8:19
not his name in all its upsetting.

spk_0:   8:21
Yeah, and so it's like this weird, bizarre thing or this is like kind of popped up. But, um, I remember just kind of like I remember wanting to go and buying the CDs. And I remember the the one time I remember walking out with four CDs in particular, and I had Blue 20 two's Dude Ranch. The Offspring smash Everclear. So much for the afterglow and Bush. Uh, I think it's called deconstructed or reconstructed. It was like a remix album of Of their songs, which was God awful. Yeah, Which

spk_1:   8:48
one of these things does not

spk_0:   8:49
belong? Yeah, So the other three I still listen to you the great, but I remember walking out. I'm just being like, What was that? I think they're all great. That's fine.

spk_1:   8:56
No, I don't know if I'd use the word great, but I would say listenable. It's better than a corkscrew in your ear drum. But, you know, listenable. Continue

spk_0:   9:07
to say that. I don't know. You don't need that sent so much. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. I just hate you now and more. Um, So I remember going to the mall and buying CDs. Remember saving up all the spirit change? I had all the had buying tapes when I could, like, I would try to find tapes. I still have a bunch of the tapes that I that I like kind of listened to and, like, ran ran ragged when I was a kid. Um, so is, like, kind of it was cool to have it in my hands like I liked having it in my hands. I like being able to read the lyrics, go through the sheets like I liked being able to have all that, and, uh and I think for me that came from, like, my dad always had records and tapes in the house. So, like, we're always too. And it was so cool because I could just flip through my dad's tapes and, like, you know, find some that were really terrible, not listen to him, but didn't find some really good ones like I remember never really listening to records because his record player never worked, but always listening to tapes.

spk_1:   9:56
Yeah, I mean, and it's such an old fart thing. I feel like now to say that we like toe hold the record and and we expect it's almost like some of us expect the younger generations to want that, too. But they can't want that. It's beyond that. They don't understand, too. I mean, look like you were saying, Save your allowance. That's what I used to dio. I used to save up everything I got and I would have liked you because, I mean, my parents gave me nothing like No, no, no, no money. They're like you're fed, you have a place to sleep. Now go the fuck outside and leave us alone. So, you know, I would go to go to the record store and have have $15. That means I could buy to use CDs or one new CD. But it was always like, What do I do? And you pick it based on the cover and I don't know, it was just it was a good experience. It kind of taught me the value of of this physical thing. Like I was always like, Oh, I want that record. I want that CD. I have to possess it. I guess it's kind of fucked up to say it that way. But I was I need it. And you have it for whenever I want it. Because if I feel like I wanna listen to it and I can't, I will lose my mind. Everyone will pay.

spk_0:   11:10
Yeah. You know, I am so funny. Like, I've always been kind of a collector. I still have every CD that I've ever bought known.

spk_1:   11:19
See, we're both collectors in that respect, but I I have I have trimmed the shaft from come listen to records and CDs. Yeah.

spk_0:   11:31
Listen, I still have my kid rock devil without a cause,

spk_1:   11:35
but I mean, why,

spk_0:   11:37
uh, because I purchased it, I don't know, I It was just It was I can't explain it. I just my I've got my own stuff, but, um, look, I'll never listen to it again. Like I have CDs from like, like, really bad, like man rock bands that, like I was into when I was a kid to, like, crease or um, or days of the new. Like I had, like all these shitty radio audience.

spk_1:   11:59
I know. I know who days the new was. I remember them being played on the radio and being like, What is this But crease?

spk_0:   12:06
Yeah, that's what I'm saying is that do you don't need to know, like, so bad. It's not worth it. And so So that's why I'm saying it's like I would go buy CDs because I would like a song on the radio. And I was like, obsessed with having this music around me.

spk_1:   12:19
Yeah, yeah, me, too.

spk_0:   12:20
So But, I mean, it was really It was really cool to be able to do that. I remember. And I remember, like finding mixtapes and remember, like making my own mix tapes. Did you ever make Euro mix tapes off the radio?

spk_1:   12:30
Absolutely. I'm a cassette tapes. I'm a mix CDs. I mean, like I had I had a plastic box of old cassette tapes in my you know, 1995 Saturn when I had it. And ah, it was just It would rattle around when I took a corner, but it was nice to have it, and that was before I got the cassette to Discman adapter so I could listen to CDs. You know, I were those I would put like, I would put, you know, 15 punk rocker. Hardcore E P is on on a cassette, you know, front and back. And I make a nice, neat little label. And, like, I'm like, this is my This is my new one. This is this is what matters. Now, this is gonna change everything, and I pop that shit in. I mean, I remember buying cassettes to remember, You know, where I had a had a Cypress Hill Temples of boom cassette for I don't know how many years I love that shit.

spk_0:   13:23
Yeah, I still have my live throwing copper tape, so But, I mean, it was cool to have it. Like I remember listening to it. I remember rewinding songs that I wanted to hear. I remember having to, like, deal with that, right. Like you had to, like, fast forward to find the spaces and stuff if you want it. If you really wanted to. Um but I think it was just there was something really cool about, like, the effort that you put into finding music and getting music like, I don't think that there's there's that kind of because, like now, if you go on Spotify, for example, I love spot. If I don't get me wrong like I get to access new music that I've never really gotten access before, Um, then I get to revisit stuff that I never would have revisited without having to, like, really dig. So, um, so it's less effort, but I still appreciate it. But like, you know, I remember having to really find stuff I remember having to like. I wouldn't know if I would buy a record if I would like everything on it. E near their albums that I have that I listened to literally once on it because the rest of it is trash. So and I just remember like, that was just a really kind of a fun thing about it. But I like the idea of Spotify because I get, you know, pairing up with new music or I get I get access. New music I never really listened to, but wouldn't

spk_1:   14:30
say it paired up. Does it suggest things for you?

spk_0:   14:34
Yeah, like you know this thing, This pixies record goes really well with a dose of breeders and a linguist. Sonic youth.

spk_1:   14:44
Like I didn't fucking know that already. You fucking computer. Now See, this is where I draw the line. When I get Netflix suggestions, I am. I ignore immediately. I'm like, I will not watch you, because the box with the brain and it told me to I will not do this. You can't. You're not gonna get me that easy. So they lull you into complacency.

spk_0:   15:05
I'm a sucker for the algorithm, dude.

spk_1:   15:08
And see that I hear that all the time about the algorithm that sounds so sinister to me, you know, is the algorithm that tells you what you like. Look at work. When I have to save something on my computer, I have to go on extra step to actually save it to my desktop. Everything automatically saves to the cloud. I'm like, I don't want it there. I want it here. I want it right in front of me. Don't put it up there. I'm not going up there. Yeah, they will drag me kicking and screaming to that indoctrination chamber. I swear to you it will not be pretty, but I'm gonna I'm gonna be It's like, Oh, the zombies. You know, everyone's like, Oh, the zombies are gonna take it We're gonna do you know it's not gonna be somebody's gonna be robots And I'll be the Rick Grimes of that shit. Not this fucking taking me out like that.

spk_0:   15:53
So, listen, let me say something about all that. Like, I think that going back to kind of like what we're trying to the point that we're trying to get across here is that, um you appreciated music a little bit more What? You had to seek it. I think the music that was put out was a little bit better. I think that it was it was more effortful. It took more to record it, right. Like you had Thio. It really was like you couldn't sit in an office and recorded entire album. You had to go somewhere and actually record with somebody. You had to have an engineer. You had to have it mastered. You had to have it like there was song writing involved, like So, like, the state of music has changed because of ease of access, and it kind of goes back to that whole. That whole premise is like this ease of access is kind of diluted. The pool?

spk_1:   16:34
Yeah, you're thinking this is what You're a doctor. You're so smart. That's like, That's perfect. You're exactly right. Um, you know, the I think the state of hip hop is a perfect example. Low Fidelity Low Energy just mumble, and everyone calls it mumble rap. I mean, that's truly what it is. Most of it. It's just the vocals Air auto tuned, you know, Thio exponentially beyond where they could ever go. It's just it's laziness. It's manipulation on a keyboard or a touch screen now. I mean, it's not even a keyboard anymore. And, like, you know, the music does suffer for its I'm I'm bored with new stuff. What I hear that's new.

spk_0:   17:17
Well, I think I'm boring. It takes a lot for the stuff that really matters of the stuff that's really good to get through all the bullshit noise. Yeah, like I will say this like the state of hip hop is said. But then you have people like Kendrick Lamar that put out something good. You have a little like frank ocean that put out great stuff that's not really in the hip hop, but like it kind of is in that scene like you, you have people that are putting out good music. You still have people like to leave quickly. That's putting out great records. But you know it. You're not hearing about as much because you have to hear about little Yadi.

spk_1:   17:47
Well, Jen, I mind tricks what last year just put out a phenomenal full length. They just every light year or two, they put out a brand new full length. It's just amazing. The beats are awesome. The rhymes are awesome, that the presentation is awesome. The artwork is amazing. They've always had, like, painted really cool covers. Look, they look like metal albums because those jobs were like those dudes. The just quick aside, the emcee for Jenna Mind tricks. The main guy, Vinnie pads. He's saying on a terror record like he's plugged into that scene to like he knows metal. He knows hardcore like, and they present themselves that way. But you look at some other shit and it's just like, you know, I'm on YouTube. I check out what my students tell me to check out, and I'm appalled man. I mean, there's nothing there, there's no substance. And I feel like that's why kids today are just so goddamn bored they don't They don't even like the shit that they like, which that I had that thought a while ago. And I'm like, You know, I brushed it away. Is that that makes no sense. But then I was like, Oh, no, it does, because the stuff that they say they like, they don't really like it. They could do it out if they don't. I mean, if you try to take my records and my movies and and my my books and in my video games away from me, I'll bite through your threat. But with like with kids, it's just Well, I mean, I guess if you took their phone, they'd have a similar reaction, which that kind of that is something that I want to touch on is this infernal super computer that just sits there in your pocket all day just giving you ball cancer, just radiating. You know, when we're 70 we're all gonna have like elephant itis.

spk_0:   19:26
I'm a little concerned that your phone sounds like that.

spk_1:   19:28
It's just we're just gonna be dragon sacks filled with tumors. I mean, it's it's just it's gonna be It's gonna be terrible. Yeah. Look, I I use my phone every day. Um, you know, I know I I'm a bit of a slave to it, but I've made an effort to get away from it. I'll come home, almost throw it across the room, You know? I mean, like, I say,

spk_0:   19:49
drop it in a glass of milk

spk_1:   19:52
and it sucks because it's so convenient when you get in the car to have all your I actually physically put the music on the phone because I I don't like dealing with Spotify, but, um, because I'm superstitious. But I put the music on the phone. I connect Bluetooth, and then I can listen to whatever I want my podcasts, my music. And it's like I have I have, like, 20 gigs and music on my phone. Ah, and and I use it every day, but I don't like it. I don't like that I do that. I'm just burning CDs and like switching it out. I don't know what you were saying about effort. I think that matters because you enjoy it more when you expend some effort to when you don't put anything into it when you have no stake gives a shit, what does it matter?

spk_0:   20:40
Well, I mean, that was that I remember, and kind of going back to like like you just said switching out the CD, right? Like, how great was it? That kind of like pick the soundtrack for wherever you're going like me. That's what it was like. You didn't get in the car and just be like, I'll just put something in you got in the car. He likes, like, pick something. Look. And you're like, What do I want to listen to you? It's gonna like paint this picture like that's gonna like color my experience for the rest of the for the rest of the afternoon. Um, I think that was something that is really cool and kind of going back to you, like discovering new music is like you were able to go on tow. The first experience I had with downloading music was with Napster, but you were able to kind of like even with that going on, I remember go having Napster stuff like that. But I still remember going to shows like I still shopping for CDs. I remember going thio. I remember going to Atlantic salads and buying CDs. I remember going thio the off the record and buying a couple CDs. Yeah, still around. That place was so much better than Atlantic sounds. But But I remember like that search, right? Like you're kind of like you went those places and you were like, Hey, like, yeah. Hey, I really like bad religion liking you. What? Sounds like that. And somebody would be like, Oh, who's this? You. Can you handle a couple records to check out? Maybe you bought one Just because you're like, Hey, they said that it sounds like this, or you found, like, a record label that you like. Like I remember being really into, um, like, fat wreck for a while and finding like, you know, like, besides discovering no effects and lag wagon, all these bands, like some of the newer ones that were coming out when when we were teenagers, like I remember the first couple rise against records that were coming out like I remember getting revolutions per minute and loving that record. Yeah, that record is nonstop. Great But it was I didn't know anything about that band. I hadn't even listen to a song that on the album when I got it, cause somebody's like, Hey, if you like to stuff, you'll like this. I remember getting in a blown away

spk_1:   22:30
and see that right there that is missing because, you know I do. I do give a lot of my business to the other record store in town, and they have tended to be a little bit nicer over the years. But back, um, when I was a teenager, when I was in my twenties, you asked him for a recommendation. They just kind of look down their nose at you. But if you went to off the record, the place which is no longer here, the guy who worked there, one of those who work there was like a golf cart guy at our high school. He was in the old, like, DC punk and shit, like he knew everything. You know, he he was talking to us about, like, Dag Nasty. He was talking about minor threat, you know, and, ah, like he knew all the the discord. Shit. Yeah, and he's like, Well, if you You know, if you like this, you like that. You go in there and I put, like, all out war CD on the counter. Believe how good choice, man. Hey, have you checked this out? And that is lacking. I don't want a computer to tell me that I hate people, but there are certain situations where I do want to talk to somebody you know, somebody who's like minded someone, someone that, like we're into the same thing. Like when I go, I have because I have my, like, retro video game collection. When I go into one of those stores, I don't fuck with game stop. But when I go into one of those stores, I I will get into conversations with people that are very similar to the musical conversations, you know, that I used to have with people, but it's been so streamlined that it doesn't matter anymore.

spk_0:   23:56
You know, the last time I had that conversation actually was pretty recently, I was talking to our friend Scott, and I was like, Hey, man, like I read that

spk_1:   24:05
your body and yeah, yeah,

spk_0:   24:07
yeah, I was talking to him and I was like, You know, Um, I've been reading this Please kill me book. And just kind of like digging into all these old punk bands I never really listened to and just discovering, like, I really liked some of these bands that I had never really touched on. Like, um, that being television, I'd never listened Thio until that I read that I was like, Wow, what, like marquee Moon is a great is a really great album and never any use. Like you should check out this man the only ones and had that kind of like that conversation back and forth about like, all these bands. And we talked about knapsack and all those bands, and and so it was kind of cool to just have that conversation with somebody who has experience and kind of share those ideas. And, like, if way were holding, like if we were in front of our record collections or at a record store would be like, Hey, you picked this up in, like, handing records to each other to trade off and walk away with some new music.

spk_1:   24:55
Yeah, dude, I mean, like I said before, I I mean, I was being hyperbolic, but like, you know, I've never been one to to be super duper sociable and outgoing. But, you know, part of the reason that this drew me that I was drawn all to punk rock into just shows, you know, local stuff was because, like, it was a group of people that I knew, I knew I had something common with It was a group of people that I wanted to talk to about this type of stuff, you know, And when you know, we've we've let it sort of slipped through our fingers and, you know, there's other substitutes for it. Like I still do a blogger about music, you know, I post banzai type stuff about. Nobody reads it. Um, but, I mean, for a while, that was cool, you know? Okay, Okay, well, at least we can We can still relate on this level, you know, But But that's even gone now. And I think it's the fault of things like Spotify. I'm sure there's there's probably, like they're probably is this whole scene of, uh, you know, D I Y television and movies that were just not aware of because we're not plugged into it and they're probably just cursing Netflix like this is not how it's supposed to be. This is bullshit. This ain't right. Yeah, ST right,

spk_0:   26:07
right. I don't like it, but

spk_1:   26:09
I think the convenience, you know, and this is not a new thought. You know, I'm not. I'm not breaking any ground with this, but it's the convenience of having everything in your hand or your pocket at a moments call and we get it. It's like I know he's been disgraced, but it's like the Louis bit. It's where he's talking about, like, you know, it's like, you know, my phone's not working. Can you give it a second? It's got to go to space and back, like we just take that shit for granted. You know, if you had told me when I was 15 years old that maybe 1/4 of the records you own can fit on your phone and you could listen to him whatever you want. If you could watch any TV show anymore, I don't watch movies on my phone is I think it's a disservice to the the marvel of film, but like, you know, I watch cartoons and shit on my phone. It's like if you could. If you told me I could do that all that and talk to my friends or whoever like I wouldn't believe a fucking word out of your mouth. That's about the future. That's bullshit. That doesn't That's not riel. Don't have

spk_0:   27:12
flying cars and jet packs, too.

spk_1:   27:14
Yeah, an enemy. It's that Louis bit. It's like now we have it and we're bored. Noth nothing has substance, nothing matters. And I sound like such a fool. You sound sold, right? I know. I sound out of touch.

spk_0:   27:29
You sound like you drink nothing but black coffee right now.

spk_1:   27:32
Oh, well, that's why I bought a burger grinder. And I'm getting I'm getting I'm getting that. I'm getting that nice, nice. That good stuff. I ordered that spring heeled Jack Whole Bean The Black Phillip blend.

spk_0:   27:45
Is it seven? What? I lost

spk_1:   27:46
grind region from a French press that I'm gonna I'm gonna have a thermos of that.

spk_0:   27:52
Everything here. I'm sitting here acting like an asshole. I'm such a coffee snob, too. So, like I can't even French pressured. I drink cold brew all time like I always make sure

spk_1:   28:00
he's not, But I have.

spk_0:   28:01
I'm absolutely. Coffee snob doesn't

spk_1:   28:03
get in there. I'm getting

spk_0:   28:04
there. Yeah. So, um Oh, by the way,

spk_1:   28:08
spring heeled Jack coffee that plug their scent. Semi coffee.

spk_0:   28:11
Yeah. Hey, uh, spring heeled Jack, listen us exactly. One listener, no ratings.

spk_1:   28:17
They name all their blends after, like, horror movies. Like I mean, like, I got the black Philip kind from the witch.

spk_0:   28:24
No, I don't know. That is

spk_1:   28:26
the witch was Blair Witch. Know they have a have a blame called re animator. They have a blank called old scratch like they're cool. That's cool. Company.

spk_0:   28:35
I feel like re animator is a perfect name for a coffee.

spk_1:   28:38
Yeah, it's so it's hilarious, man. That's

spk_0:   28:41
not even very company. Um, So Okay, so we talked about record stores. We talked about ease of access, Right? Um, one of the life. The phone. We thought about that bullshit. My favorite. Probably My favorite place to find music, though, was at Destro's.

spk_1:   28:57
Oh, dude, I miss it. I know they probably still exist, but once again, we're coming from our experience, and I haven't seen a destro in our area

spk_0:   29:11
now. So long, you know? And it was it was so great if you don't know what a destro is because I think that's part like we assume that everybody is listening. This has some like, you know, assumption of what punk rock is or some experience of punk rock. But for those of you who are new listeners and have no idea what this really is, you essentially show up in a show or like some kind of like fest or some kind of like punk rock type of D I. Y event. And somebody would be there with a giant box of CDs or records that you could rifle through, or maybe even shirts and patches and stickers and buttons and stuff, too. But they would have all this merchandise that was just kind of like a like it is basically a traveling salesman of record stores. It was fantastic.

spk_1:   29:50
Yeah, do the Destro and and I am. I am keenly aware of House basically hardcore, and South Florida is exploding like they are there. I mean, it's It's because of bands like ICO strike and stuff I'm not super into. I don't think it's bad himself super into it, but I'm sure there's Destro's and all kinds of great shit down there. But it's been so long since I've seen one anywhere near me, and I guess I could go to shows more. But I mean, go into that was half the fun. The fest. Look, the fest when we used to go to fests, you see, the band's you'd see your friends, but then you went record shopping because there was There was there was just a plethora. People from all over the place would bring their wares and they'd set up. And you're just flipping through shit because you've got you've been through the bins at the local store. How many times your fingers air covered in the dust. You should have seen it a 1,000,000 times. And now you're flipping. Really? Oh, my God. I've been looking for this. I heard about this. What the hell is this? I got to get this and you know, Destro's There's no overhead. So you get it. You get stuff for cheap seven inches. LPs, T shirts. I bought T shirts from Destro's before it was such a festival. I mean, I would miss band sometimes to my to my, uh, you know, detriment. I would sometimes be just like nose. And I'm like, I got to get through this whole thing before somebody else comes in here and sees this shit.

spk_0:   31:14
Yeah, I remember skipping bands just because that was, like, prime time shopping. I had to see the shoulder to shoulder with anybody because everybody's downstairs watching fucking another breath, which I've never missed another breath. But like you would see these, there would be some bands were like, I don't really need to see this band on this fast. Like, they're kind of crusty, and they're not really my thing. So I'm gonna go shop

spk_1:   31:33
with boiled. Were we to have

spk_0:   31:35
that like, think about that for a second? We would have these we So Daytona used to have. This is for you fest, which will probably do like, like, probably an episode on that alone

spk_1:   31:44
way that started it. What year did it start? Because there were. There were five of them, I think. Yeah, four of them were really something. No, it wasn't. It wasn't 02 maybes,

spk_0:   31:57
maybes. 01 Then it was It was

spk_1:   31:59
It was It was It was later than that.

spk_0:   32:02
Okay, then maybe he was 03 It was 03 because 04 had my senior your picture on the flyer.

spk_1:   32:08
You're on the flyer.

spk_0:   32:09
That was on the flyer for For all of this is you fast is a

spk_1:   32:12
pretty big fist. If anyone is not familiar with it, I mean, we had darkest hour play it, Um I mean, I don't want to start naming all the chances we can get in that, but there were some pretty high profile bands from that time that came down the Daytona and played it. And there were Destro's Ah, plenty. And I remember I remember there was a band. I think they're from upstate New York called My Revenge. They were like a cool, fast, hardcore band. But, you know, I had seen him before and, you know, once again spoiled because we had five of these fests. Five consecutive years, and it was amazing. And I'm flipping through and I'm pulling CDs out, and I hear them launch into reflections by trial. They did. They covered trial. I was just like, I gotta go when I just ran that serious. Really? Hold this for me. I'll be right back in. The guy, like, understood. He's like, Yeah, Yeah, go, go! Because it's like I have I've never nothing. Yeah,

spk_0:   33:04
that's And now and now is the thing is like, you had these opportunities. And besides, like, just how cool those fest word, And we could probably do an entire episode on the test on on just on this is for you, fast and like, kind of like all that stuff. But like going to this Destro's to people that hadn't been around that had, like, this, that had all these wares. Like you said, they had all these seven inches, all the CDs that you couldn't access anywhere else. There were no online stores, and what was great about it is it kind of kept that ethos of, like, that punk rock do it yourself attitude, right? You got to take cash because you couldn't just use a car because nobody had squares on their phone. I had to have cash. You had a hand cash to that person and that money went right back to those bones right back into the scene that you were contributing to. So, like, it was this really cool, like funny little economy that, you know, you walked away with this really great experience and this really great stuff. I mean, I still have a bunch of, um, like, like, you know, records. I have a bunch of seven inches. I have a bunch of cds that I got from those distress. I mean, specifically my favorite one that would come around that we saw that time was dead Tank Destro. And it would be Josh, which who is a dad in the library and now of

spk_1:   34:10
Josh. Dead Tank

spk_0:   34:11
Josh accent. Oh, yeah. And so he would come around and show up, it shows, and he would always be like, the most positive dude on the planet. He don't be like, Hey, dude, what's up here? You steal again? And then he would be like, Hey, check out this. You know, transistor, a transistor record. And, uh oh, Here's this really funny, Like, rare split between Ah, was it suicide note and breather. Resist. Maybe Like that as one of those, they're like you couldn't get it anywhere you couldn't order from the record like the record label. They only press so many. So he was like, Here you go. Here's five bucks and you're like, this is fucking awesome.

spk_1:   34:43
Yeah, man. I mean, the Destro was unparalleled. You know, e I do. I love to go onto a website and just, like, click, click, click, click. I want this. I want this. I want this. I want this. Yeah, it's like I'm a little I'm a little emperor, and I'm like, I'll take this. Yes, and and, uh, I think it's a little a little effort. I think he calls himself a little duke. He's, like, bring it to me right now, but, um, I loved going. I just I was like, I could smell it. I would I would save money. I would save my money for for months. And I would go on and blow, like, $400 there. That was a big splurge. That was a big expenditure. And the other thing was, I realized once, you know, I remember one of those fest that we were just talking about. We had to I had two bit to my band's run. I was in two bands at the same time. You were in one, and we shared members with the other. Yeah, and you know, we had it. We basically staked out this big table and we had, you know, a couple different T shirt designs. Each band had a really I think one band had a seven inch other band, had a demo, some CDs. We had a bunch of stuff. And then I'm like, Well, shit, I got some records I want to unload. And we were about to go on tour. So we just had our own milk crates of our own records up there because there were just like you had to get at, you know, like you had to get a permit. And it wasn't that we were I could see how some people would say, like, Oh, you're taking money out of the other bands, pockets. You're locals. It's like, Yeah, but we're getting ready to leave in a couple of days to And you could say the same about any of these Destro's. I remember. I remember. I think arguing with somebody about that I'm like, I'm I am in a band to I'm not just like a flea market person like I'm here. I'm here to play. We're not getting paid. You are. So stick that gas and smoke it.

spk_0:   36:29
Yeah, well, and I think that was the thing right like you had like, it was all about supporting not only just the bands, like the touring men's, but the scene that you were part of like it was about perpetuating that that, like, that attitude, which was like, We're here for us. We're not here for you. We're not here for anything else. We're here for us and our scene and are in our community because this is a really important community for us. And it means selling records to go on tour, to support other communities and to continue thio like thrive and grow in this in this like community, That's something that we're gonna do like if I have to sell records to be able to pay for gas to get to the next city. I'm going to do that.

spk_1:   37:04
Well, I mean, I I would do that on the road to, but I never overcharged for stuff. I had a couple of rare things that I let go for, like, five or 10 bucks says I'm like, I don't care. Fuck it. You can You can have it. Do you Really? Yes, really. See you later. I'd rather have gas in the car I'd rather have food in my stomach tonight. I don't care about this working the idiot seven inch.

spk_0:   37:24
So we had distress, right? So we had record stores. We had Destro's, um

spk_1:   37:27
it all is about being able to hold it. You had to earn it. You had to pay for it. It's something that will die with us. It's not gonna get past this. See, that's the thing. I think that's the difference between us and some other people. We're not trying to convert anybody. We're just talking about how rad it was and why it was feel frustrated because you we opened Pandora's box never coming back from this phone shit. We're never coming back from it. It's gonna be this way for

spk_0:   37:55
it's just it's an experience that will be lost to time.

spk_1:   37:58
Yeah, and that's why we talk about it to preserve it.

spk_0:   38:01
Yeah, so So then kind of looking at how things have evolved. What was the first? Do you remember what the first song you ever downloaded was

spk_1:   38:09
the first song I ever downloaded? Because my parents didn't care about having the Internet until about until I was probably a senior in high school. So we got, we find I mean, we had dial up, but it was garbage. So we finally got the high speed. Whatever that was, it was still like a Well, it was a well, something, you know, you'd hear it connecting on. Idella did Napster. And the first things I think I downloaded were American Nightmare and some misfits, some graves, misfits, b sides because there was I've always been a miss it Santa. The Danzig era is unfussy with a ball, but I love graves to American psycho of famous monsters are fantastic. And I think, like the Japanese version of famous monsters has this great song called One Million Years BC. I couldn't afford to purchase the album, so I don't load. It is I got some stuff like that. First it was like American Nightmare, self titled. And then I ended up buying the CD and background music when they came to town anyway, so I did it. I did it to preview because everyone's like, check his band out. Little that I know how much I would come to be annoyed by them. But at the time, I was like, This is this is something

spk_0:   39:19
this is This is the sickest. I remember. I'm we're seeing that band Riverside and being like, blown away.

spk_1:   39:24
Oh, yeah, I mean, so much energy. I mean, they became, I think, a caricature of themselves. We talked about how you like the new album, and I don't, So I won't. I won't rehash my negativity, but, you know, I think the new one's fine. Well, okay, when you say something's fine, that's just like me. Yeah, way talk around, drinking just fine.

spk_0:   39:42
I'm not saying I'm not saying it's like I'm not saying it changed the face of hardcore punk rock. I think that background music did. I think when background music came out, everybody was like, What? The flock and it kind of blew, blew the balls off everybody. But I think that, um, I think that the new one that just came out is good. I think it's better than we're down till we're underground. But I

spk_1:   40:00
was Yeah, it was terrible. But when I bought that, when I bought that record, I was so disappointed. I don't know what I expected. Like, did you? You didn't make this for me, Murray. I mean, like it. It's just funny out. Like sometimes when I complain about stuff, how selfish it sounds. But I just wasn't a fan of that.

spk_0:   40:16
Yeah, but I think, but I think that I think that that also goes back. Thio What? That was like to go and buy records because you're excited about a band? Yeah, like you were really excited about this band you wanted the next album that was coming out. Maybe you only heard a song or two. You can hear the whole thing because you couldn't really access all of it. And then you were disappointed too. So that was the other side of that coin is like, you know, Not that that was a bad thing. I think that that was kind of like that kind of kept you and check a little bit. I think he kind of kept you humble, but I think that it was really great. I remember liking we're down to our underground, but I didn't I thought it was okay, like I didn't think it was definitely wasn't background music. And I was disappointed in that. Yeah, but I remember being like that with a couple albums, then coming back to them later and being really into them like I remember. Ah, you fail me when you fail me came out and buying that and being like like it's not Jane Doe and ah, and then like going back later being like Oh my God, like you feel me is fucking insane.

spk_1:   41:10
You feel me was like my doorway into that ban into converge, cause like I, I had her Jane Doe and everyone's car for about three years prior to it. And, you know, at a certain point I was like, Yes, it's cool, There's some There's some amazing songs on it. It's super like I mean, that was the thing that you know, I always saw, like, nerdy kids who were into converged on my converges like a tough sounding band when they're not doing one of their newly songs and and, you know, I kind of I was like, Yes, it's cool, but I'm not sure. And I'd heard petitioning and I'd heard When forever comes crashing And you know, of course, like conduit on Ah, the saddest day, that type of stuff. But then, like when you feel me came out and there was like melody in some of it. And then there was a super just like throat, full throttle brutal songs. That was when it really clicked. And I was like, Okay, I I do like this band.

spk_0:   42:00
Yeah, I remember hearing that song Last light being like, Yeah, I can't I can't do anything ever again. Well,

spk_1:   42:07
I mean, do When I heard the saddest day, that was, like, the craziest thing I've ever heard of. What? What is it like eight minute hardcore song? It sze nuts. It's got all the all these different parts and I didn't really have a frame of reference that time for anything that's similar. But when I heard that, like, thin the shrieking I was like, What is this? This is insanity, but you know, like to not get, too if I keep, I keep going off topic. But, um, the investment that you had as record might suck and you know, before before Internet is the way it was before Internet was the way it was today or even close. You know, it means I couldn't preview shit. Usually it's like I had it downloaded, and by then it was already out, you know, And by and, you know, I would just say I'll just go fucking buy it because that was my mentality at the time, right? Right. I don't want a lot of stuff now, and I always have, but I do buy a lot of music, too.

spk_0:   42:59
Yeah, it's been a little bit since I bought music. I mean, I get into that streaming service because just because, you know, it is one of the things that is a little bit easier, and, um and I can kind of explore it a little bit. And I think that with service is like Spotify like, I get, like, individualized playlist that I get to get exposed to new music and stuff, which is cool.

spk_1:   43:18
Robots tell you what to listen to

spk_0:   43:19
the robots. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. So, um but But I have, like, discovered new music that I didn't think that I would listen to before, and I think to me there is that, like there is a little bit of that bright, shiny nous to it. But I understand, too, like there's nothing like going. There's nothing like the experience of having to dig through records to get the dust of the record shop on your fingers Thio, Thio, talk Thio. To have to to have to talk to somebody who is the president of the Sons of the Confederacy in order to get records that you want is something that is a bizarre experience, that evil that you just cannot match.

spk_1:   43:57
Well, I'll tell you, like that record store. Yes, I go in there a lot and it's it's it's still fun, man, I flipped through. I'm like, Oh, hey, I don't have this or Hey, I used to have it. Maybe I lost in the move, but I've been buying up and what I've been, What I've been wanting to do now is see my whole my whole 10 year, the whole time that we spent playing in bands and playing shows, it was always knew like new music. I want I want new bands, you know, we tour with this band. We'd see this band and show. Um, you know, I still dug to get the foundations, but there's a lot of stuff I missed along the way. I think because of the snotty nous and the judgmental sort of atmosphere about punk that punk rock can be at least maybe maybe it's different Other places. But I remember like, you know, I never really got into guns and roses and it really got in a motley crew. There's a lot of metal I skipped and I've been going back and just buying LPs like a dude like skin erred. I It's It's a punchline, like we just played a show the other night and the dude yelled out Skinner Now I was just like that happens, you know? But Skinner is a genuinely good rock band. I like 38 special d'oh of you like, you know, I've been going back and because I always felt I will I will love punk rock, hard core, fast, angry, aggressive music until the day I die. But I think that if I allowed it to pigeonhole me like I don't fucking need that, that's bullshit. I'd rather listen to this shit. It's like I'd rather just listen to bad brains. Bad brains are great, but shout at the devil is is a fucking masterpiece. Yeah, and I hear it now and I own the I own. The LP opened up at the big pentagram on it. I'm like, pretty fucking sweet like, you know, appetite for destruction. I had listened to guns and roses, but appetite for destruction is like front toe back, like get out of my way. That's

spk_0:   45:52
great. Guns and roses. I fucking hate guns and roses.

spk_1:   45:55
I'm just saying there are tons of things I missed. And there's other sub genres I overlooked. Like I didn't get into black metal until maybe like, four years ago. And now I'm like, I'm sort of Loki obsessed with it. You know, I it's it's amazing to me. I love it normally

spk_0:   46:12
would. But they're a bunch of frosting nerds.

spk_1:   46:15
Oh, yeah, There there there doesn't look when we do our episode on Norwegian black metal, I mean, I'll say this again, but I want to say it now because I thought of this the other day. I was listening to some band, I don't know, but I was thinking I was listening to attain, I think, and I was just thinking about, like, how terrifying this sound. And then I remember I remember hearing about mayhem when I was younger, having no frame of reference for the spin mayhem like the singer killed himself and then governess other band comes in kills guitarist and I was I was imagining them looking like cause I was thinking Black metal Vikings. I'm imagining a bunch of guys who look like Conan, you know, Conan the Barbarian. And they're just like, not Conan O'Brien. Let's say kind of barbarian. But I guess if his hair was black, he looked pretty Nordic. Whitney

spk_0:   47:04
Yeah, he'd be pretty. He'd be pretty wild looking. But anyway,

spk_1:   47:07
like a bunch of gigantic barbarian men beating each other to death with their bare hands and chewing on each other, and then you see what dead and you're on, Imus and Varg look like and you're like, I could I could literally point a fan at you and you would all blow away like Dandelion. You know, Dan. Yes, it's so you know, I killed him with the with my name. It's like it sounds so much more terrifying than it actually is. But I love the atmosphere of it, like the the woods and the snow and the wolves and the moon. Like I just think it's so great.

spk_0:   47:44
Riley described it a sounding like if hell had a playlist. But but they don't look like that. Like they my 13 year old daughter I played it will attain for and she goes It sounds like if hell had a playlist and I almost crashed my car laughing so hard. Fucking hilarious.

spk_1:   48:04
Even doesn't like something like black metal, which is aggressive and is abrasive. I even missed out on that. I'm not saying hardcore kids don't like black metal. I'm just saying I just allowed myself to sort of be pigeonholed like I like this, and I'm gonna dig into this until I can't find anything else. And now I've been kind of giving myself a break. I've been going back and buying all these records, discovering all these new things that I really love. And ah, you know, that's just how I do it. I understand people like Spotify. That's just not what I'm gonna use for the foreseeable future.

spk_0:   48:36
Yeah, I mean, I get that, and that's and I think that's fine. So for now, we'll just kind of live in that, uh, we'll live in that space where we we you know, we had these really cool experiences that people will not have any more. Um, well say discovered new music and it's sad, but, you know, and I get that the world, you know, the world moves on and all that, um, all that Stephen King type of shit. But, um, I think that, you know, I think that at the same time, I think they're just really cool experiences that, you know, that we had that we get to kind of like we get to hold on to that Well, because the wheel so yeah, cause will

spk_1:   49:08
And TEM is a flat circle.

spk_0:   49:11
Yeah. Um, so but going back to you like you like going back and you're saying, like, at this point time we pigeonhole ourselves. We had maybe some exposure to a very specific genre like I've been going back to and discovering some pretty cool stuff that I wish I discovered before, Like some punk bands that I never listened Thio, you know,

spk_1:   49:28
old, like dead toys. And, yeah,

spk_0:   49:31
I started listening to you like I mean, it's been a couple of years, but I went back and listened to the Stooges Raw power. And I fucking love that album.

spk_1:   49:39
Yeah, like the students. I check them out a few years ago, just on the basis of like Iggy Pop. It's like I never really dug Iggy Pop, but I was like, Iggy Pop's a lifer like That's just fucking look at that guy like it's like, I I respect that. He he paved the way for the bands that I like. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, you know

spk_0:   50:02
anything to like, I laugh because I think about the stuff that I liked Like, uh, you know, I really like the metal stuff I really liked. Ah, like some of the more technical hard core. And like some of those tech metal bands that were coming around like, really like Dillinger escape plan like the first couple ones, like the first couple of, like everything that everything that kind of sounded like that stuff that was on, like, this weird set time signatures. And then I went back and listen the fucking rush. And I was like, Oh, that's weird. Like that makes sense. You know, I love and I and I remember growing up really liking rush and not realizing, not realizing that how that how that, like colored my experience with, like, metal and like, stuff like that, like, you know, just just this funny. It's just funny how, like you kind of, like start going back to that and digging into that,

spk_1:   50:45
Yeah, I mean, it's It's like you know so and there's this little voice in my head Sometimes it's just like you should already know what this is. It's like I almost feel guilty for not checking it out, but like at least some checking it out like I I always dug deep. I always wanted to know what made this band sound this way. It's like, you know, I heard terror and I'm just like, Well, Cro Mags, what's that like? You know, and you just dig down and down and down and down and like, you know, I'm to the point now where it's just like sometimes I just I listen to the Beatles or Led Zeppelin or sad right? And I I grew up not re Sabbath, really, but like hearing the who the Beatles led Zeppelin in my house and it's my parents music so automatically I was like, Look, this, you know. I mean, I didn't even get into the Clash, And so maybe, like 12 years ago, like I mean, I've been in the class for a long time. But like ostensibly, not as long as someone my age should have been into the Clash for you Know, you, I think What? Um and it's it's a private shame of like being someone who I guess I could be. We could both be considered a bit of music nerds, but like I said, painting myself into a corner, you know, it's like it's like, I'll talk to you about every New York hardcore being. But there's some gaps in my knowledge, you know? It comes to music that should have led me to that. Well, you know it. And that's what I'm trying to fill him now.

spk_0:   52:09
Yeah, but I think I think going back to like, kind of experiences like discovering those records and stuff like we're exposed to it, but then win, like one of our favorite parts of the entire experience, going to Destro's like and kind of rifling through that you did not find Motley Crue records records like it wasn't part of that. So, like, you just kind of, like, kind of perpetuated in a little bit. But here we are being like these old farts that drink black coffee and eat Rubens and listen to music that we music of your right.

spk_1:   52:36
Yeah, but I mean, Dude, it doesn't stop me from checking new shit out. I'm always I'm always trying to find out about new bands. I just I do. I look at punk news. Lamb, goat. No echo, at least, like, two or three times a day. I just got a couple of blog's that are out there. I look at I got this guy on soul seek. You always has new stuff in his downloads folder. So I checked that out. I'm like, sheer terror. Put out a new seven. Angelo, maybe I'll check that out. Murmur, but, um, yeah, man, it's just like I said, you know, we, uh you know, I think the bottom line the main point that I wanted to make with all this talking about, you know, we straddled the line. You know, we remember what life was like before the internet, and you know that I'm glad that we have that. And we're not the completely digital generation. We cannot expect kids and people be a past us to accept our way of life. But I just don't want to forget it. You know, I don't want to be an old first, like get off my lawn. You don't know what it was like, But I just don't want to forget what it was like because I think it's important because I think we were lucky. Yeah, I think we were extremely lucky.

spk_0:   53:46
Yeah, I am incredibly grateful for that experience. Like, I think that that was something that really, I think that was It was really important for those formative years that kind of get that experience to get that, that because there's just nothing like it. And I think that's kind of I think that's gonna be kind of the flavor for every episode that we talk about going forward like we've had experiences that, like people don't necessarily have now that are gonna be different and they were incredibly meaningful. They were incredibly, you know, they shaped up a lot of who we are as people. They shaped up a lot of who we are as like functioning members of society, you know, and I think it think it makes it. Maybe there's some times where it's a little bit harder to deal with. Some of the norms, considering we had such a really cool and rich experience.

spk_1:   54:32
Yeah. I mean, I think you could probably say that of every generation. I mean, that's why I had a certain point. Your dad just looks at you like I don't I don't get what you're doing. Yeah. I mean, my grandpa likes it at you know, my mom that way. You know, my dad looked at me that way. You know? I never knew my grandpa. My dad said, that's what I say it that way. But yeah, you know, it's just like at a certain point, you're like, you've lost me.

spk_0:   55:00
I can't get along. That's right.

spk_1:   55:01
We we were in never never land for so long, playing shows and being boys that we never I guess we never thought it would happen. And I think now it's finally starting to happen. You I mean, you have a middle school aged daughter. So you're already just like

spk_0:   55:17
I don't get I I do that a lot. Like she had listened to that dude exit. I'm like, I don't know what you're saying.

spk_1:   55:25
Yeah, I don't get it, man. When that look, I wouldn't wish you know that someone who's young and successful to be harmed I'm not saying that, um, you know, it sucks that he died, you know, he was I heard that he had actually, like, turned his crappy life around and he was now being successful. I don't know the specifics. So if I'm wrong, No, I don't want anyone to

spk_0:   55:45
know. That's what I understand is like he was kind of getting better.

spk_1:   55:48
Yeah, which is cool. And he's young and successful. I got here. I mean, look at all the money he had when they killed him, but, like, people were acting like it was to pop who died. And I'm not gonna say anything to those people when they're saying it. But in my head, I'm just like, all right, you know,

spk_0:   56:02
a little different.

spk_1:   56:02
It's it's It's not to park, you know? It's like when I mean, I don't know. I feel like if I say any name right now and compare them to Anne, Kurt Cobain died. It's gonna be offensive to somebody. I don't think I like. What's the lame rock star that died that people cared about? David Byrne? Yeah. You

spk_0:   56:23
know, David Byrne didn't die. He's still

spk_1:   56:26
talking heads. E. I don't know. I was trying to make an analogy like fish out guys, and it's just like you have it. It's not Kurt Cobain. Dude, it's not Chris Cornell. It's not Layne Staley, man. I mean, right, is this person who died gonna be remembered the way that they are? I'll know because because this generation has extremely short memory spans.

spk_0:   56:50
Yes, Yes, I agree. Any rate. So now that we're done whining about, don't you? I

spk_1:   57:02
hate when people say that shit. I'm adult things like that because you're an adult. Shut up. Who

spk_0:   57:06
find it on Pinterest? Troop Interpreter. So I think that

spk_1:   57:11
is it. Okay, go ahead. So I

spk_0:   57:12
know where we're going.

spk_1:   57:13
I was just gonna ask It was time for our segment.

spk_0:   57:15
It's time for our regular segment. It's time for this segment. Explain this band, This band. What the fuck did you become in your book? All right, so this I think this week I say this week, but what I mean is this morning, Mikey, um, we had not decided who the band Waas. And then he dropped this. Ah, this delight on me. This band called Advent I and so So let me get there. So, Mikey Mikey had has talked about this band several times. He has told me because he knows. Kind of like my musical tastes and kind of what I prefer. Um, he had talked about this band and kind of reference this band to converge in a couple of things. And so he told me to listen Thio an e p by this band. And I can't know what it's called right now.

spk_1:   58:16
Pain and suffering.

spk_0:   58:18
So So going back to the idea that hardcore kids are dorks. Um, And like, punk rock is dorky and all these these nerds just play music. That sounds tough. Um, except for I don't know, Mad Ball is maybe Billy, like, not nerdy. Um, yeah, I'm afraid of them. S so so. First of all, when I go on to my Spotify, listen to this band. Um, there are so many, like Advent calendar soundtracks. So, so good. So, like the first out my look up, it's called Silent Sentinel. And and there's like, a bunch of songs in what looks like Italian. I'm not gonna assume that there's Then there's another one in 2014. There is the least called Advent Boston mixing for advance gift Glogg and I have no idea what that is. And also I fucking nailed that first try. Um, so I go through and I'm looking for all the stuff. Can't this firm IHS the lines of healing like there's there's a bunch of things called admin? How a generic name? Generic name, which is fine. I'm cool with that. Yeah. So that's where all the way down get this e p call pain and suffering. And I have to say I really liked it. Good. So So, um, they kind of sound like I could I could see them based on their sound. I don't know anything about their story, but based on their sound, I could see them touring with bands like Rise and Fall or pulling teeth. Or somebody's like, heavier, like, kind of mentally Ripley. And if they toured with pulling teeth, I know that would be a fucking wreck.

spk_1:   59:52
And I know that you know our references for those vans That's like, that's, like, 12 years old.

spk_0:   59:58
Yeah, Yeah, I know like that. I get it. Like I'm They sound like a tour with what's new. I don't know. It's new anyway, so they sound like the guitar would like. Somebody's like heavier bands. Now, Mikey says, there's a story. So Mikey, explain this band,

spk_1:   1:0:15
Thank you. Ah, yeah, There's a bit of a story. I mean, when we do this thing, we try to pick bands that are divisive in some way so that we have to dig our heels and in justify them. But it was a divisive about this pan to me. Is that there a Christian band? And upon first hearing them, you probably, you know, wouldn't automatically assume. And even if you peruse the lyrics, it's not overt. They're not worship songs. And I'll get to the lyrics in a minute because the lyrics are part of why I actually respect them for their faith, which is rare because I'm not a ah, I'm not a fan. I'm not. I'm not a fan of them. God by the rules, I'll tell you. But, um, so all right, anyway, so Advent. There are hardcore band from Kernersville, North Carolina, and the weird thing about them is, even though they sound like super hard and angry and chaotic they? They have members of that old terrible garbage ban from early two thousands called Beloved. Oh, shit, yeah, it's guys from beloved. I can't stand him, Can't stand But, um And then they also the singer, that guy who sounds like a burly rock monster. He he played drums for the almost. Which what was members of Under a some terrible pop band that you know, another Christian hardcore band. Not even I'm gonna call my hard core some garbage they under if they were in that. So it's like has all these connections of these bands that I can't stand and they're all Christian. But somehow Advent emerges from this. They did to L. P's on solid state. They did. It's called one's called Remove the Earth. Others called naked and cold, almost naked and afraid like this show.

spk_0:   1:1:59
Yeah, that'll be good. Be good album.

spk_1:   1:2:01
But I mean, look, there's there's a handful of Christian car Corbin's that I care about figure for was one of them. Um, they were good. Um, the 1st 7 star LP I still love to this day and strong arm and now Advent. So I got four. I got four. That's it now. To me, the LP is definitely and the new e p pain and suffering it to me. It sounds like buried alive with just a dash, just a smattering of converge because there are parts where it breaks from hardcore like it's like it to me. It's extremely metallic. Angry, hardcore. Good. Sir,

spk_0:   1:2:37
I thought you're gonna say a dash of holy water.

spk_1:   1:2:39
No. Yeah. Little dash, like buried alive, I thought was always typified. Not by the it like they had rifts. The riffs required some amount of thought and consideration. There was more of a metal writing influence. I think like the guys who wrote, I don't even remember the members of buried alive except for Scott Google. But like the people who created their music, I think we're, you know, thinking metal first. Like, how do we make this interesting? Not how do we make it hard and angry? How do we make it interesting? And I think that's part of what goes into Advent, because I mean, it's it's crushing. It's

spk_0:   1:3:20
It is really, really heavy.

spk_1:   1:3:22
It is crushing. And but there there's consideration, I think, with the riffs and with song structure and the production is amazing. So they did the two records on Solid State, which is a Christian label, which I I feel like I could just fall into the ocean and I wouldn't care. But they broke up, I believe. In 2011 they broke up in 2011 of 2015. They reunited and they did this E p pain and suffering on Bridge nine, which is Everybody knows, if you know, is ah, a secular label. It's a hardcore, but and and so I just I really dig it, and I It's not often that I find a religious ban that I enjoy, and but the thing is, it's always got to do with lyrics for me, like the music is awesome. But if the lyrics were garbage, I probably wouldn't be as into it as I am but what I have noticed. And you tell me if you if you caught this, I don't know if you're reading the lyrics, says they're hard to decipher. The guy sounds like a rabid wolf, but

spk_0:   1:4:20
yeah, I mean, his his voice is, is ridiculous. I love his voice. It's good, Yeah, like I'm telling you what I when I first likes money. I was like, uh, like, I was really floored by it. I didn't think that I would like it at all, because one it was your recommendation. But do you have described him as a Christian metal like a Christian man? It's not like I've never really been a fan of that stuff. Yeah, I know. And it's not. And it's not ever been because they were Christian bands. This, like, for some reason, Christian bands always had, like, a sound to me that that didn't I couldn't really pinpoint it, but I always kind of like it just never made any sense. But they always had a very specific sound to me. And, um, I just never really got into him. Yeah, so

spk_1:   1:4:58
I was never, um I was never a big, you know. Excuse me. I'm sorry, but whenever there was a, um whenever a Christian being came through, I was always It was always rolling my eyes. I was like, Oh, great, here we go. Jesus. But this this Actually, it's kind of good timing because the last thing I want to talk about is the lyrics. But the reason that they resonate with me and I couldn't really articulate it. You know, Pete Holmes is right. Yeah, yes, of course. You d'oh! Because we so delighted in the YouTube videos that he made when he fired the X Men. And when you did the stupid Batman and I love his stand up his podcast is great. He's a hilarious comedian. He had the Pete Holmes show on like right after Conan and all that stuff is on YouTube. Now you can watch his monologues. You can watch his sketches. He is an intensely talented comedian. I really like him. I mean, he's no Bill Burr, but I like I like Pete Holmes.

spk_0:   1:5:55
Yeah, I feel great.

spk_1:   1:5:57
I actually watched a podcast cause they film it while they record the audio that Tom Segura and Christie are. Kristina has Pa's. It's key to your mom's house podcast Happy Homes on. And he was talking about Christian comedy because the new season of his show crashing. He gets asked to be on a Christian, too, and he makes all this money. But he's conflicted about it, right, because he's gotta work clean, and he's saying, like how sad it is that I'm paraphrasing that they Christians never really give voice to their doubt. They say they dio, but there it's almost like they're not allowed to show their doubt. Everything's right. I'm happy. I am filled with God's love. And what I like about this ban is they do that because I think the E p he addresses his father dying of cancer or something. The whole thing is extremely depressing, and it's almost like they're exploring the depths and the darkness of like how they feel. There's like just cause for Christian doesn't mean we don't want to go and, you know, break something or rage or or were depressed or were sick, you know, And they to me, that's much more brave than what I've seen. A lot of faith based bands. Do you, like, live where they like, quote Bible verses? Or they think God is that gives a fuck shut up. But it's almost like they're like our faith is what works for us to get through this disgusting world, and I like that approach. I I will never be a religious person, but I love the way they come at it. They are not afraid. They don't avert their eyes they're not afraid to look at the dark. Whereas in my experience in private school, every time we saw one of these types of bands, it's like big smiles, even though even though religion has provided us with some of the most sinister, dark, disgusting things that had ever transpired on the face of the planet. So right, that's why I really dig this ban because they're not afraid. Their unflinching

spk_0:   1:7:56
right there. It's like it's authentic.

spk_1:   1:7:59
Absolutely. They're not afraid to talk about it. I'm not afraid to go there. And I think that's what you know. If any of these assholes surfs up, youth pastors really want to get the kids to listen to them and get an authentic reaction out of them. They need. They need to talk about shit like this because everybody struggles with I don't give a shit if you if you pray or not.

spk_0:   1:8:19
Right. Um, well, I think that if I were Thio and we now have all the whole story, um, I think that if I were to rate this band, um, in this e p, I would give them 4.5 out of five pope hats

spk_1:   1:8:34
who we're gonna have a five pope put puppets

spk_0:   1:8:40
on Dhe Then Now I just think it's funny thing about half a pope hat. Like which, Which is it cut in half horizontally or vertically? I don't know.

spk_1:   1:8:48
You cut it in half horizontally, then it's on its way to actually being a regular goddamn

spk_0:   1:8:53
hat. So? So, then, is there anything else that we can touch on?

spk_1:   1:9:01
No, I don't think there is. I think we got everything. And and and then some. All right, well, then we'll talk to you guys next week. So until next

spk_0:   1:9:11
time, annihilate this week

spk_1:   1:9:13
and good night, Mr Allen. We're in every

spk_0:   1:9:16
way.