002 - Okeechobee Kenobi

spk_1:   0:00
only plus die,

spk_0:   0:01
you fuck? Yeah. Who? It always feels weird to get started. It's like a soon as we get started. I'm like, rs fine, but I just I picture myself like like Dick Clark or someone like Hey, hey, Welcome, Thio

spk_1:   0:30
Like like every Bill hater character on their life. Hey, this is Ah, uh, what's my name

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for? I don't want to hear. This is Herb Welch. Lady, uh, lady over there. She hit me. Don't you direct me, you tie rack.

spk_1:   0:51
Uh huh. Well, that's get all

spk_0:   0:54
right, this is I don't want to hear it. I'm Mikey.

spk_1:   0:56
I'm shame. And today we're gonna talk about a little bit about what punk rock looks like in Florida. Um, Florida Think it's a little bit of a bad, weird, funky rap for being Ah. Oh, yeah. The kind of for being like it's kind of always like the dick of every joke, right? Like, it's like Americans, Dick. It's like, uh,

spk_0:   1:17
it's the dick of the landmass as well. Is the dick of every joke?

spk_1:   1:20
Yeah. Yeah. So we wanted to kind of talk about ah, like, kind of growing up because we both grew up here so growing up punk rock in the park, Our community, um, kind of experiencing punk rock in like it not only a small beach town, but in a state that nobody ever wants to come play.

spk_0:   1:35
This is true is ah, it is the last stop on almost every band's itinerary. If you're on the East Coast, it's the point where it's the furthest you get from whatever wonderful place you call your home. And then you just, uh you turn. And usually people don't go for the South and Jacksonville, which, if you guys don't know that's right over the Georgia State line. If you're coming south so a little bit, we should say off top. Chad is no longer with us. Rested P Now he did. Or

spk_1:   2:07
is it Isa? Rest in peace? Or is it all right? Peace.

spk_0:   2:10
I think it's just rest in piss.

spk_1:   2:12
I think I'm gonna say I'm gonna say all right, Peace. I think that's fun. She

spk_0:   2:17
had actually syllables. He just couldn't be here tonight. I think he's Ah, he's he's he's bringing a dossier to somebody E

spk_1:   2:29
uh, he, uh he mentioned a snow day, but yeah, I think that's code I think that everything that he talks about is encoded. They're like, kind of like Watergate, or like deep throat like all that shit. Like, I think snow is just a like something to do with cocaine or just white people. I'm not sure

spk_0:   2:47
it I'll do it. I'll just do it like Chad's here. Ah,

spk_1:   2:52
Morsi Everything sucks.

spk_0:   2:59
So we have We're not the first to determine it at all. Ah, this is a well known thing among Floridians. But Shane, why is it that we look so ridiculous to the rest of the country? Because I think you can tell Tell people

spk_1:   3:15
So one of the one of the best little facts I've learned in the last maybe a year and 1/2 has been that the Florida has something called the Sunshine Law. And apparently, really, I mean, really what it is that Florida is more transparent about their their baggage than where there's honest. You're honest, because I remember a few years ago I can't remember his Arkansas are Kentucky is one of those states, like, you know, those those? Yeah, this is one of those states, and ah, there is a story about how these this. These two guys pinned another guy down and shaved his beard and made him eat his own beard.

spk_0:   3:49
Do you remember that? That sounds like a clutch song.

spk_1:   3:57
Absolutely. Is it the clutch? It's a clutch song. Come to life. It's It's a living clutch song walking around in fucking Tennessee somewhere t old. So I didn't like that. So I'm like, we're like, but, um, so anyway, so you hear these all all these ridiculous stories everywhere, but it seems like a lot of them come out of Florida. Which is why there's those jokes of like, Is it Florida, or is it Germany? Or is it Florida? Is that the fucking universe? So, um, but what? Florida has something called the Sunshine Law. And essentially, what it means is that all crime, like all criminal activities, are made public.

spk_0:   4:35
Yeah, I have it in front of me here. We're on the website of my Florida legal dot com and legitimate. A legitimate website. Yeah. Call these guys if you get a d y. And if you live in Florida, you totally already have one. You have to have one to live here, so it states it establishes a basic right of access to most meetings of boards, commissions and other governing bodies of state and local government, governmental agencies or authorities. So basically that means like the cops, what does that mean? The cops immediately tell the news what's going on. Or they can just pull it from somewhere.

spk_1:   5:12
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty much it's pretty much that, like there is just some, like, open, network of of like, criminal like it's It's like it's like, Hey, you get arrested, Everyone's gonna know you don't get away with it, especially if you're charged with a crime like it. Sometimes you'll get like people get arrested like I've worked in, Um, you know, working with special needs. You'll have providers that get arrested here in there, and ah Nobile really know what happens until they get charged. And it's like, Oh, they committed all the fraud. Okay, so, um, you know, you hear some crazy shit like that, but, uh, but with Florida, like essentially, when somebody gets charged, it becomes public record so you can look up anybody and be like, Oh, this person was charged with this in the state of Florida nowthe laws. I mean just like any other laws, like kind of, you know, what is lewd and lascivious, mean, or like, you know, sex offenders in Florida's like you can get charged as a sex offender for peeing in public. So, uh, you know, so there's like, funny things like that. But these crazy new stories and the idea of like, the world's worst superhero Florida man comes from comes from this this bizarre and really fun law that we have in place. I think it's great.

spk_0:   6:19
Yeah, I do kind of like knowing what's going on like several, well, more than several years ago, a couple of decades ago when the guy, uh, there was a guy walking up and down the street near my house. I didn't live here yet, but I lived in the neighborhood and, ah, apparently he was asking people to pay him toe Look in the garbage can that he was dragging behind him. Guess what was in the garbage can

spk_1:   6:43
stuffed animals.

spk_0:   6:45
Yeah, I was filled with stuffed animals. If the stuffed animals were a corpse,

spk_1:   6:49
yes, he was. Now it's actually like right around, like, right down the road, like there's a road the road that he was doing that almost like attached to the road where I lived. So, like, this guy was walking around with this like, uh, like one of those, like industrial. Like if you're working in a restaurant, the ones that you have to wheel out. Yeah. Like those types of what he was walking around with a trash can full of human body parts, which was, you know, for a small beach town is pretty horrific.

spk_0:   7:17
Yeah, I mean, but, you know, we don't try to hide it. And I think that's what's so wonderful about us. You want to look in our trash can filled with the corpse? You're more than welcome to we say we say that to the whole world our trash can filled with meth is so, you know, taxidermy, alligator parts.

spk_1:   7:36
Yeah. So then when everybody goes around and they say like, Oh, Florida so weird. Florida so crazy. It's geologist is crazy used. Don't admit it. Yes. No, I just said y'all

spk_0:   7:45
Yeah, you did. And I was gonna go for it. But now you brought you shine the light on. And now nobody can forget that you did it Well. Let me ask you this, and I don't know if you know this, but as far as we know what the sunshine Law is, we basically get to know all the horrific shit that's going on. But are we Do all states do the mug shot thing where the mug shots are published? Like in those magazines, you see, it's 7 11 or you know, they, you know. I mean, you sneak a look. I don't pick it up because I have some Kouf. But I see you know, I'm buying my coffee or whatever, and I see these, you know, these meth sore addled faces just looking out at me. And, you know, I just feel like it's such a horrific thing to do to a person to just blast them like I mean, they're already they already have to go to jail. Why add the insult to the injury?

spk_1:   8:32
Well, I think that I I couldn't speak Thio. I mean, I want to say that I've seen it in, like, Virginia. Maybe, um, I don't I honestly don't know.

spk_0:   8:40
Yeah, because I've always, you know, because I had friends that got arrested. I mean, you and I, we've actually some. We've avoided it somehow. But, you know, you look at him and you see the charge, and it's like, really e. I mean, your whole spot gets blown up, especially now, get some, You know, some fucking asshole. Good Samaritan will post that shit on Facebook, which I don't even have. But you know that posted that, everybody gets to see it. You know, it's like a sunshine law within a sunshine lots. Like we already have. You know, it's already available if you go to 7 11 So

spk_1:   9:11
yeah, and so yeah, get your coffee. Get your mug shots. Start your

spk_0:   9:15
day. See who you know that whose life is just slowly spiraling out of control while you get your little well, pick me up.

spk_1:   9:23
Well, you get your Danish,

spk_0:   9:24
They don't have Danish there. Do

spk_1:   9:25
they have a Danish there somewhere hard enough.

spk_0:   9:28
I hate their fucking coffee, but like it's on the way to work. So sometimes I just stop in there and I just swill that shit back. And then I just feel awful the rest of the day. So it's a drinking. It's like I want to say it's like drinking liquid dirt, But That's mud. It's not like money. It's like it's like if mud had Ah, I don't know, Just just riel, riel, loose mud. I don't just Yeah,

spk_1:   9:52
no, I get it like a salt, I guess. Yeah, it's like Esso. So the reason that we even talk about this and the reason we want to bring this up is because we're gonna talk about kind of what punk rock looks like in Florida and why it's weird. Um, because regardless of the Sunshine Law, Florida is legitimately kind of a strange place, like so. So we're kind of going back and saying like Florida's not that weird. Everybody's kind of weird, but Florida is actually pretty legitimately weird.

spk_0:   10:18
There's, Ah, there's, Ah, there's a strange vibe you get here and, uh, you know, I have been other places, but I mean, it's not like anywhere else, and I'm not saying it like you don't have what we have. It's like you probably don't want what we have. There is a strangeness here because is a transient state, and I think that you know, one of the things that I have seen in our 10 year playing in bands and traveling and doing shows all over the state and all over the East Coast is that I think that that transient nature kind of seeps into the bands and the music kind of here today, gone tomorrow? Like, I don't know. It's just how it seems to me.

spk_1:   10:59
Yeah, well, so you have this, like, Okay, so let's let's kind of freemen and talk about what Florida looks like for those of you don't understand the geography, but I'm not talking about it being a dick on a time

spk_0:   11:10
out. Time out to be an addict, is that

spk_1:   11:13
I might have. No, I wasn't going to actually, I was actually gonna refrain from that because I wanted people. I want to orient people to what we experience here, having traveled Florida because I think that between you and I, we've hit most every city in Florida. I mean, all the ones that all the ones that matter

spk_0:   11:29
I mean, they don't really sure matter ish. That's funny. On a carrier for Landmark was like a dick,

spk_1:   11:35
huh? Ah, Florida's addict. Get it? So, um so? Ok, so for those of you who don't know, Florida shares a border with Georgia and Alabama. Yeah, Be selling. You

spk_0:   11:50
sound dumb right now is Mississippi. Oh, I thought you were just I thought you were just spitballing here.

spk_1:   11:56
No, I'm pacing. I'm pacing myself. So, um, so along that border, you have two majors, three major cities kind of that are accessible from those states. You've got Jacksonville, which is on the coast, which is the the largest city in the country. Land wise you've got. Tell her. Do we use our capital?

spk_0:   12:16
I don't think we share a border with Mississippi. I think it's only Alabama.

spk_1:   12:18
No, that's what I said. Georgia. Alabama.

spk_0:   12:21
Oh, so I fucked up. Yeah. God damn it. All right, I'm sorry. Continue.

spk_1:   12:26
Yeah. No. So we've got Jacksonville, which is the largest city. We've got Tallahassee, which is our capital. And then we've got, like, the Panhandle, which is just a long stretch of terrible Miss. But somewhere in there, you've got, uh, was a Panama City,

spk_0:   12:41
I guess, if you

spk_1:   12:42
want to know. Yeah, so So anyway, so that's kind of the geography there. In between all that is a few presents and nothing. And then a little further south, you've got Gainesville, which is literally in the middle of a swamp in the middle of a forest full of Hitchhikers in a little bit further south than that you've got. I mean, you've got you've got Orlando and then you, which is like, kind of like just a tourist trap. You've got Daytona, which is the world's most famous beach, and only 150,000 people live here, and there's a racetrack in the middle of our city. But there's also a beach, and there's nothing that happens here. Yeah, that's true. You got saying, Augustine, which is the oldest city.

spk_0:   13:19
That's the That's the city. You go on a date and you drive 45 minutes to go on

spk_1:   13:23
a date north. Yeah, and then you go on a date, you can't find a place to park. Uh, you listen to a lot of the other day I was just in ST Augustine and just is a perfect example of what it's like to walk around in ST Augustine. I walk out of the parking garage and I walked right into a guy who's throwing his wet backpack against the column and screaming at

spk_0:   13:41
it. That's beautiful, man. That's like seeing someone take a piss in the New York subways like the subway platform is like,

spk_1:   13:50
Yeah, that's exactly and you're kind of like wet bag screaming. And here's what. Here's what you do. You go OK, I hope he's okay. I'm gonna go get some crystals and look at a big old Rockport. So you got seen honesty, and you got Orlando. And then across the way, you got Tampa somewhere. Um, and there's not really a whole lot going on in Tampa. In ST Petersburg, there's a Dali museum, which is cool. Um, you've got, um, Maples, Fort Myers. That area, which is, like, full of old people we played with dead to fall down there one time, um, which was actually a lot of fun. But we we almost crashed the van on the way there because we relate their van. Just a little side note. Their van broke down on, like, the main vein outside of Orlando. We had to pack all of their equipment, all of their merchandise, all of our equipment, all of our merchandise, and all five of those dudes with the six of us into a van that was not equipped to handle.

spk_0:   14:47
Isn't it more than

spk_1:   14:48
one band. What it was. No, it wasn't a minivan. We had like a passenger van, but it was not. It was not built like it was built with lofts in the back, so we had. So there's three. So the way that it was, it looked like there were three people in the front seat. I'm sorry that I think there are four people in the front seat. There was a driver. There's somebody sitting in the middle there, two people sitting in the passenger seat. And then there were multiple people sitting on the bench seat behind. And there were three people on the loft laying on their stomachs, looking out like they're like getting ready to be shot out. So so that was That was our trip down the Naples. And then we played and, um, and then John just said Everything I eat, tastes like pizza instead of everything I touch falls to pieces. So that was great.

spk_0:   15:28
Naples really just kind of looks like Ah, if on Seinfeld it's like where Jerry's parents live. I mean, that's what it looks like just if you look out the windows in the back of the set of their apartment. And it's like the Mar Gables. Whatever. I mean, that's exactly what it looks like. It's just nothing going on. It's old people. Everyone is just God's waiting room.

spk_1:   15:48
It looks like it looks like every painting in a Golden Girls episode. Exactly. Yes. So, um and then you've got your likes to Daytona that you kind of go south a little bit. Then you got the cities like Miami Fort Lauderdale, which are, like an entirely different culture in themselves. Might as well be another state. It might as well be another state for sure. And you've got Key West, which nobody goes to except for Jimmy Buffett.

spk_0:   16:07
Never been. Never fucking been been here. 35 years. Never been.

spk_1:   16:11
I've never been. I hear that everything is past Ellen. Sounds like coconuts.

spk_0:   16:15
I mean, it sounds awesome. That sounds relaxing. I could probably I would probably enjoy myself, but no, I've never fucking medic us. I mean, I didn't even the first time I went to Miami, and this just I mean, the This is what punk rock did for me. Like joining a band, starting a band. It was the only thing that got me out of Central Florida is the furthest I've ever been. Was like Orlando Unless I took count a vacation to Maine with my parents. Like I didn't go to Miami until I was, like, 22. It was like the first time I went and we just went to play a show. And I'm like this. It looks like Scarface here, this school. I could I could I could be down with this.

spk_1:   16:49
Yeah, that's and so so just so everybody. That's that's like to kind of orient everybody to the state. In between. All that are a bunch of cities that they decided to mash up names for. So you've got, like, Sanford, which is near Orlando. But then you have a city called saying Lando Yeah, I know you got Deltona and you've got the land or No, you've got Daytona and the land and you end up with Deltona. There's a highway called the Tammy Ami Trail, which drives from Tampa to Miami Lake. So Florida got really uncreative. So you've got all the But they all have, like, these kind of like Orlando Miami. You have all this and then you have fucking Interlochen in the middle of the state, which is I'm and she locks. It has, you know, lucky has she has, like a, you know, has, like, a native American type of feel to it. But interlocking is for sure, like some German settlers got here. We were like, I don't know what else to do with this Interlochen anti lock in. And then and then you have people that got so uncreative. They're like, uh, we like baseball. What? Baseball

spk_0:   17:52
city. Wait. Is there a baseball city in Florida?

spk_1:   17:55
Yes. Yeah, There's a baseball. Uh, there's a lot of green stuff here. We'll call it Plant

spk_0:   18:01
City. Yeah, Plant City. I've been to plan sitting playing City

spk_1:   18:05
Baseball City. I want to say baseball cities near Haines City,

spk_0:   18:09
where we played at a coffee shop that we found out years later, was run by a PETA wrist.

spk_1:   18:14
Yes, which is which was near a city that we played like that Had that we played in the lobby of ah, hotel, right?

spk_0:   18:20
Yes. That would have pictures from that Was that was a fun one.

spk_1:   18:25
Yeah, that was good. So

spk_0:   18:26
I thought you were going to say, though, between these big cities was just a weird, interconnected series of warring meth swamps. Just Yeah, clean rallies. Yeah, just superheated condensation, humidity, mosquitoes the size of a Volkswagen bug. I mean, like,

spk_1:   18:44
yeah, if you've never seen a Nazi goto O'Steen else name out staying, I think

spk_0:   18:51
people don't understand how much like hillbilly ish, like, how many rednecks there really are here Because in the middle of the I'm in the middle of the State Fair game did. I mean, it's It's Who there.

spk_1:   19:06
Yeah, so So. And the reason that we kind of talk about this is because between every major city, it's it's about, I don't know, let's say at least an hour, hour and 1/2 between every major city, um, and so and they're all, like spread out along the coast, except for Gainesville in Orlando, which are in the middle of the state. So the reason that we talked about that is because it's really hard to tour here. You have a plan like a full week and 1/2 just a tour. The major cities in Florida, like even playing in Jacksonville, Florida It's another six hours or so to get to Atlanta.

spk_0:   19:38
Yeah, I mean, That's why you know, it was always such a gift when bigger bands back like kids will me when we did have more of a thriving seen here in the mid to late nineties and the two thousands like it was a gift when bands came because they had to go way out of their way and especially if they were like coming down the East Coast. I mean, they could just stop, and Jackson will probably have a fantastic show. But if they kept going, it was like this awesome bonus for us. I mean, it's crazy is like from Miami to Jacksonville. You're talking like I mean, that's like a six hour drive from the keys, I think, to the Panhandle. Like the keys. The Jacksonville is probably 10 hours. I mean, it's a big, damn state.

spk_1:   20:19
It's a lot of it. There's a lot of highway. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of nothing between it. Like 95 is a straight shot. There's nothing there like there's it's. It's one of the most boring drives on the planet, like it's not interesting, like if you're driving up north, if you're driving up 95 like through Virginia and stuff. It's really pretty. You can see the mountains like you getting up in the Pennsylvanian stuff. It's like, really nice. You get to see some geography like you don't get that in Florida. It's flat. Yeah, it's flat and boring. And then it's not like in part of problems like the rednecks that are here are not like they're not, like right next to you get anywhere else. Like they're not quite Louisiana Swamp Lafayette. Type of like they're not folksy. They're not folksy, A real rough around the edges. They're not like they're like, uh, it's hard to explain, like they're not quite confederates, but they pretend to be

spk_0:   21:07
Oh, I mean, I mean, Dude, there are so many Confederate flags just in in my neighborhood. I mean, I see probably 15 on my drive to work every day. I mean, it's just it's this weird because, I mean, when you know when a lot of people think of Florida, they think of like they think of Hispanics. I think of Miami. They think of that type of culture. They don't

spk_1:   21:25
that culture is very much so. They're like Go to Miami. It is an intense, intensely Hispanic. Oh, yeah, you know, culture.

spk_0:   21:32
I could. I mean, I thought for a long time about moving to South Florida because it just felt so much nicer. I mean, it was way hotter, and I mean, it was disgustingly hot on a level that made me want to just spoon my eyes out. But which

spk_1:   21:46
made shows in the summer suck. Oh, yeah, like that was terrible.

spk_0:   21:49
Yeah. Playing a South Florida show. Ah, as as is so often the case, like the air doesn't work or like the venue, like, won't let us turn the air on. We got fans. We have these, like, 50 year old box fans that just sort of spit dust onto you. I mean, that's good, right? That'll get to air going. There's about 100 people in here. Yeah. So, um, while I'm a puddle like Alex Mack on the floor trying to play

spk_1:   22:16
my car, Yeah, I remember so in just a kind. And I think that's and that's another part of it, too, is like being being in this punk rock scene in Florida, especially in the summer, is God awful and uncomfortable. And it's probably what makes people a little bit crazy, intensely uncomfortable, but I think it makes people a little bit nutty, like the heat drives people mad because you don't ever have like a break from it like we're in winter right now. And it was like 55 degrees today. It's not cold. I

spk_0:   22:42
know it's not, but like we're so used to being turned into reptiles and this like blast furnace that we live in. We're just so used to that like it is soon as the temperature drops below 80 were dislike, Thank you. 00 I mean, it's just I know that looked. I've been in. I've had hot days when we were played a show in Philly. I mean, where I just sweat my balls off. But I'm just saying, like there's a special type of heat here. There's no relief from it. And when we have winter, there's no wonder in it. Like the rest of the country. It's like winter is this wonderful, magical time here. It's like it's like if someone's choking you for about 10 months and then they let off their grip for two months and you get to, like, gasp and watch the bruises form. That's what our winter is.

spk_1:   23:29
Yeah, is that you know that? I think I think that's perfect.

spk_0:   23:34
Like that might be how Cormac McCarthy describes it. Yeah,

spk_1:   23:37
that's probably he has pretty aggressive. Um, the

spk_0:   23:44
bruise. Oh, armed, gasping for air, sand down my throat.

spk_1:   23:51
Yeah, it's gravelly except, except, like Florida's like It's more like seaweed like See Down Your Throat Well, but so like. But what's cool about it is with all that, like, every city is different, right? Like Gainesville's different city than Miami. You've got, like Orlando's different City. Like even though there's Klan rallies between every major city, the the scenes were very different in the cities have very unique culture, right? Like

spk_0:   24:16
Oh, absolutely, And that's so like that was what was amazing about it.

spk_1:   24:20
Yeah, we would get such cool shows because you'd have, like, thes e mean just that, I would argue, like the difference between the scenes from Tampa to Orlando to Miami and Gainesville. Like those air four distinctly different music scenes like you've got until they had bands like that brought out bands like hot water Music and Against Me and less than Jake and some really cool, like all the no idea beings, a lot of beer,

spk_0:   24:42
punk, lot of beard. But you're not on a party. Older guys, older people who stayed around after college. You know just that vibe, and it's great because there's a lot of theirs. That's the thing that people should on Florida I should on Florida. I'm about to shit on Florida here in a little bit, like even more. But like our that was one of our amazing musical exports was all those bands

spk_1:   25:04
and in The thing is is like every not every city has that in Florida. But for the most part, Florida has, like, produced some of the best of the best beings that I have ever listened to you some of the most fun bands I've ever seen. Um, and just even when, you know, back when the heart the arson was thriving, like when we had some really cool, hardcore punk shows around, we also got some. We got to grow up around these bands that were all from Florida. We get to see all these really cool bands. I mean, you want to talk about some of the South Florida bands like I couldn't stand in the South Fordham bands, but we got to like so I know. I know you're getting ready. A reference? A few. But I mean, who like until the end was from South Florida was throw down from South

spk_0:   25:44
Florida. No. Throw down this from California.

spk_1:   25:46
Oh, yes. Oh, forget throw down

spk_0:   25:47
For a lot of bands from South Florida, enduring our heyday sounded a lot like throw down. But I mean, yeah, Gainesville had this more mature sort of punk sound that, you know. Ah, lot of fucking pans. Have Eygpt to this day. I mean, you know, I love bands like the men zingers and I mean, I'm drawing a blank on other bands like that. Even like Well, I wouldn't say banner pilot, because I feel like they draw from, like, screeching weasel look out type stuff. But whatever you say it like men zingers, they're huge band. And I think they would not. We would not have them without some of the hot water music without grab ass Charleston's or Grandmaster on something here.

spk_1:   26:27
I think so. But then you've got like, but you've also got beings like like Dillinger four and small brown bike. That kind of like bid on that a little bit like they had a really gruff type of like, you know, that you had, like, I mean, it was very angry

spk_0:   26:41
angel sound. And, you know, I'm glad that our states associated with that that, like no ideas from here comes out of Gainesville and, like so many good bands were part of it. I mean the other thing, and you don't want to hear it. There's a lot of great hardcore bands himself. Florida. You named one until the end. But I mean, Miami, Holy Morley were Well, Miami was more, at least in my experience. And I wasn't around in the early nineties in the mid 90 so there's some of those legendary bands that I'm not familiar with. But when I was coming up, Miami was this scary city, you know, that was where all the tough bands came from. And there was a band from there called Trust No. One that people might remember, and they were on eulogy records. They put out a record like one e p, and that was it. And I remember my very first band, my lame singing, screaming man because I was not immune to the trend. We played a show with them right here in town. They were on, they came up with show. I don't know if they're on, like, a weekend or they're on tour or what. And all I remember was the singer of that man looked like Danny Trey. Oh, I feel like he looked like he was in blood in blood out and I mean, they were all Hispanic guys and they had this this very like I mean, they they carried themselves like Gangsters. And I'd never, ever seen that before. And some some crazy, wild Daytona bum idiot stumbled up like I was going on here. And the singer was like, If I'm remembering correctly, he fought him and threatened to tase him, and the Taser actually came out. So I was like, What is this? These guys look like the He hasn't like rappers and they carry weapons. Is this part of it too? Just punk up. It's over. It's like I knew punk bands. I knew some hardcore bands. I nu metal, but like I was like, Wait, what is this? Why do they have bandannas on like Why are there so many bandannas? And I'm not How much makes do they have? I'm not disparaging trust no one because I think that being is awesome and I wanted so badly. Years ago, a band of mine called meantime, we were to do a split with foundation from Atlanta, you know, big straight edge being that some people might care about her, Remember? And we were to do an original song, and then we were to do a cover, so ah, a regional cover. So they covered a Georgia man and we covered a, um, Florida band. And I quit. And I was pulling so hard for you been warned by trust no one. I was like, Do we will, We will murder that song will be so awesome. And then we could get the dude from the band to sing on it with us. And then everyone's just like, man, we're gonna do culture because we're all vegan, except for Mikey. And then then I quit the band anyway, before that, but I'm just saying like, that was a long winded way of saying My introduction in the Miami scene was seeing this like they came to us. I was like, Wow, there. They move in a pack, they move, they move in numbers. And then, you know, when I started going down there when I got in bands that actually toward more, you know, we played with a lot of great bands, fast, hardcore bands, heavy, hardcore bands. But it was the first time I ever saw, like, thug stuff. You know, I was like, Oh, that's different.

spk_1:   29:52
Yeah. No. And so in, like, see, I never and I never got into that stuff. I always thought it was kind of dorky. No, I mean, whatever. Shut up. Like

spk_0:   30:02
I Anyway, it's You have to be aware of it if you're gonna listen to something. And I brought this up on the last upset. I mean, I knew as soon as we had a podcast where we talked about music, the biohazard was gonna come up that all these big guns, like, you know, I understand there's people that don't take them seriously because they take themselves very seriously bands like that. I think that's where the disconnect is that bands like that. They really pushed this image of leg. Don't mess with us. Don't fuck with us, and but there's something to it. I just find it endearing. It's like for me listening to biohazard, listening to marauder, listening to things like that. It's like watching. It's like watching Goodfellas. You know, it's it's awesome. I love it. I genuinely like it. But I could be like, you know,

spk_1:   30:47
yeah, I mean, I guess maybe for me is just like I was always just kind of too soft for this world. So I just couldn't relate

spk_0:   30:52
to what I'm saying out. I'm not at all tough, but but, I mean, ever have

spk_1:   30:56
any more, like I was always, you know, like like I had a Palm reader, read my hands with time and tell me I had thinkers, hands like That's the kind of life that I lived so like, you know, I was never that kid that, like,

spk_0:   31:07
you know, he

spk_1:   31:07
held a knife. I didn't bring a knife with me is like,

spk_0:   31:10
just in case I didn't bring a knife.

spk_1:   31:12
I'm not saying that you did. I'm just saying, like I never I never even like, entertained a thought like that or listen to bands that would help me to entertain the thought like that. Not that even those beings really did that. But I just was kind of like, I guess I just didn't get it. But you never related to it. Get you pumped up. Yeah. See, I mean, but also, like, um, I kind of always found myself when we could talk about this a little bit. I'm sure we'll talk about this more, but I always find myself more, uh, entertained by stuff that made you think about how it was created like, and that never like it was that never made me think about like how somebody wrote those songs. But like bands like Boche or, um, like, uh, like our sis and stuff made me really think about, like, how music was put together. And so, though, like like, those beings never really made me do that. Well, like Earth Crisis was another one of those ones that everybody like was like, Hey, I highly influential on everybody's into about It's kind of like I don't get it.

spk_0:   32:04
I don't get earth prices either. I genuinely dislike earth crisis. Um, I've been in more than one band that covered Firestorm. That's because firestorms just a fun song I'm not straight edge and I don't care about it, But, um, Earth Price is one of those bands that I was just like I don't get it, guys, I don't know why you're fucking freaking out about this staff case was another one,

spk_1:   32:23
and that's it. That's been might. And that's kind of been like any of that kind of hardcore. Like, I mean, most hardcore in general time made me do that until, like, there were some hardcore bands. Like Like I mean, American remembers one that really got me into, like, hardcore. I

spk_0:   32:36
think it it really that band was one of the ones that turned the tide for a lot of people because And I think this Segways nicely into one of the other things that I wanted to talk about was back in the early 2000 times. Um, when we were really digging in and seeing like, this is what our local scene looks like. This is what the scene, 45 minutes away looks like, you know, and getting into into local bands and regional bands and bands from all over the place. American Nightmare and no warning and terror. Those three bands kind of all popped within a few years of each other. And and and this I think this speaks to Florida's isolation because there's, I mean, there's always been traditional hardcore in traditional punk rock. But what What I was seeing as popular was that, um, that really kind of soft, lame metal core stuff that got so popular in the late nineties and earlytwo thousands and our state was a big part of that. But those three bands that I just said kind of just drop kicked all that shit into the hot topic, like Clarence been like, for better or worse, because I think it opened the door for a really shitty mentality that, like we didn't need any more because yeah, when I when I was younger, like I didn't understand why there was a lot of violence. It shows as I get older, I realized, because now I have a sense of perspective and I read, Get in the van and I've at least thumbed through. Ah, what is it? Please kill me and I've listened to John Joseph read his autobiography because listening it to his voice is amazing. But, you know, it used to be Really. It was violent. That's all it was. It was for misfits. It was for people on the outside. We were lucky enough to come in at a time when it has been sanitized enough for us to get in there without getting to hurt. But I think those bands, they opened the door for the roots to really come back and flourish, but a lot of lot of stupid mentality. But it did get rid of this, this fucking I always call it singing, screaming. It makes me laugh. If everybody gets quarter that I don't care. I'm gonna keep calling it singing, screaming because it's ridiculous.

spk_1:   34:49
Yeah, I mean, and so just kind of like that. And that's the thing is like, I never understood that violence like the violence of shows and stuff, But I mean, it was just something that we were fortunate to grow up in a punk rock and hardcore community. It didn't really need that. Like

spk_0:   35:02
it's like your Parentsgeneration works harder than you. You know, the generation of punks and hard work is before us. They got punched way more than we did. It was nice. It was nice. I mean, I'm not saying I didn't get punched or kicked or head butt, but you

spk_1:   35:16
don't really get punched or kicked her head butted.

spk_0:   35:18
Well, but, dude, how many times did you see me ragged all on myself? Into a crowd of people like, Yeah, you know. Yeah, that's true. I put myself in harm's way a lot, but I couldn't do it. Now I've hurt my back, so

spk_1:   35:31
But like we had all those bins right, we had all these beings that come out Florida they we had, like, the Gainesville punks and stuff like that. We had all of no idea people we had, um you know, we had the metal seeing out in Tampa like, that's kind

spk_0:   35:40
of the birth of

spk_1:   35:41
death metal, which I think is a pretty important thing to talk about Florida.

spk_0:   35:44
Yeah, that is like one of the most important things that's come out of here, if not the ass important.

spk_1:   35:50
And we'll probably talk more about that.

spk_0:   35:52
I want to do a full. I want to do a whole deep dive because one of the things I said on the last episode was there are certain regional scenes and like sub genres of punk and metal on hard, corny and even shit like new metal or Third Way of Sky that I want to get into Explorer and talk about the different bands and the best records in anything that if it, you know, touched us. If anything, we remember from it.

spk_1:   36:17
Yeah. I mean, as long as we cover Jack the Jacksonville scene because I think the Jacksonville scene was important because it yielded bands like Limp Biscuit, yellow card and holy bread like those. I think that that is that scene made no sense whatsoever. Just real quick is a side note. My favorite. My favorite show that we ever played in Jacksonville. We used to play all times. We used to play in a singing, screaming band, Chad not used to playing a singing, screaming man. Um, Chad is dead right now. Chad. Who's dead right now? All right, Peace. Um, and s o. So we'll play the scene. Screaming band would go up there, and we played like a couple hardcore bands of punk bands like that. But my favorite show was when we were in, um, grudge holder. I play this show. There was a benefit for a kid who got beat up at a show and had it and had all these hospital bills, and we played this show and we were like this, like, ridiculous over the top, like, kind of like hardcore band. But we played the show and there was a band, a local band that was there, that was like, If

spk_0:   37:14
you're not in the pig

spk_1:   37:15
like something along the lines of getting the pitting Fuck everybody up I was like, That's why we're here because somebody did that. There was a problem like and that's what I also realized the Harker was stupid and that I was an adult and I had to quit all of it because I was like this. Like how? Like how oblivious.

spk_0:   37:31
Yeah, that

spk_1:   37:32
would have to be Lis like, But it's still my favorite things I remember. I remember that moment standing in that show, watching that band like fuck someone up who's standing next to you, and I was like, That's that's why we're here because that happened.

spk_0:   37:45
Well, I don't think that that is indicative of the entire Jacksonville seem because at least when you know we were playing shows up there. There were a lot of good beings in a lot of hard working bands. And I'm I have to admit that I'm ignorant of the Jacksonville scene. Really? Prior to the 2000. So that's something that we can look up to because I mean, well, shit, dude, Skinner came out of Jacksonville Ryan talking punk rock, but, you know, But they were I I'm sure that, you know, if we actually bother to take a look, we would we would see that there was a lot of cool shit to come out of

spk_1:   38:22
the way, But I'm just a shit head.

spk_0:   38:23
Well, yeah, I mean, that's fine.

spk_1:   38:28
Speeches, whatever. Um, I also I hate that band. I can't know what that band was

spk_0:   38:32
called, but I

spk_1:   38:32
thought it was this dumb. And maybe that person doesn't sing in bands anymore. Hopefully,

spk_0:   38:37
we'll just if we could jump back to Tampa real quick before we move on. In case people don't know. Tampa death, metal death. Morbid Angel di aside. Obituary. Atheist hate, eternal nocturne, ists like that.

spk_1:   38:54
All those beings came out of one scene. It's like it's like the Seattle of heavy metal.

spk_0:   38:59
Yeah, and then Morris Sound recording was there. I'm reading this on a website. This isn't all off the top of the dome. I knew that they had it. There was a studio there that was famous. But, um, I guess there was, like, a bunch of very really classic albums cover our recorded there. But that's something we can get Thio like Cannibal Corpse, of course, Recorded there and shit like that. Ice Earth is from Tampa to Did you know that Bo disclosed dude and seven Mary three recorded there? Because I forgot. I forgot.

spk_1:   39:32
There's, like, some weird, like like like like alternative rock bands that came out of Florida to you. Like that hair beaker her, Um, quick, A quick note. I was telling ah, Riley, my daughter about death metal. And I started I was in my living room and I was singing, um, pounded into dust lyrics. You and ah, she thinks that I'm not cool at all. So that's I think that's a perfect like an example of, like, what it means to grow up like and get old is a punk dude like, uh like I'm like, Hey, you should listen this face to face record. She's like, man you're not Call Call your tearing. This is noise. And I'm like you. Then I had that moment. I was like, You don't get it. And I remember doing that. I was like this. I'm done

spk_0:   40:18
like that. I've quit. Well, um, the one of the things that I did want to touch on that I think that I think it really explains, because I do feel that we're isolated. I mean, even amongst our biggest cities, I think Florida is extremely isolated from a lot of the trend setting that goes on in, like, places like New York or L. A. Or even some please, like Austin or Atlanta were isolated. And we get this weird trickle down effect of culture because people, of course, snowbirds, especially from the Northeast or not even snowbirds would like transplants. They all moved down here. I mean, I can't count the number of kids I grew up with that had New York accents like their parents and their grandparents were from New York or from New Jersey, Rhode Island. I mean, most of the people that we know here were not born here, and we get this weird pollination like a dusting of cool. It's like, Oh, this was cool. Like, six months ago. Where I'm from. Oh, this was cool. A year ago. Where I'm from.

spk_1:   41:18
Yeah, it was a second channel.

spk_0:   41:22
Did we get Sega Channel late?

spk_1:   41:25
I think that we got second Channel eight. My uncle from Pittsburgh kind of made fun of us for having second channel because we had gotten it late.

spk_0:   41:31
Do I remember Sega Channel? My friend had it, and it made no sense to me. And like, what? Did they give you a TV that special? How do you get it? Like I didn't understand what it was to like. I didn't know what an Internet was.

spk_1:   41:44
Yeah, it was wild. Well, I don't know if his internet it was cable. It was a cable that plugged into a card with the plugged into your Sega.

spk_0:   41:50
Yeah, it was crazy. I remember playing, trying to play eternal champions on it. That, like, shitty fighting game that came. It was like trying to capitalize on Mortal Kombat. And it came out that motion activated controller that sucked ass and then like it just it didn't work. It just it wouldn't load all the way and it was

spk_1:   42:09
the that was heartbreaking. The system that that that it was because of Sega Channel I learned about, um, that comic book game.

spk_0:   42:16
Oh, yeah. Comic zone.

spk_1:   42:18
Yeah. Comic zone. And I also learned about Vector Man. But that has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

spk_0:   42:22
But that's a good thing. We got Sega Channel last. That's us. I mean, we're fucking terrible, but I feel

spk_1:   42:28
people get second channel last.

spk_0:   42:29
So when we were coming up and I'll refer back to it again, I won't say at this time. But those like those melodic, me melodic metal core bands, it was really prevalent in Florida. It's so much so that it's sort of eclipsed any sort of traditional punk and hardcore for for a couple of years, at least in our area. And we had a lot of bands that came out of this state Poison the well. I've mentioned a few last night, but I looked up a few more poison. The well evergreen terrorists from Jacksonville. Poison letters from Miami. Um, keepsake. Remember them from Miami?

spk_1:   43:06
Did you play with him a couple times?

spk_0:   43:07
God, they are. I mean, even then, back when I was more accepting of that stuff. I was like, This is this is dog shit. Um, under oath is the other one. I never I never liked that band. And that also is gonna leave me into something here in a second. But I never liked that band. And they became, like, the biggest shit. I remember when I worked at the mall when I was in my twenties and there was a hot topic down the way I go in there and I get clearance shirts. Sometimes I got a sweet mad ball Hold it down, shirt in there for like, eight bucks fit me perfectly. I wore it for, like, six years.

spk_1:   43:35
It was awesome. Nobody has ever said that sentence ever, But I got a sweet mad ball shirt. Nobody has ever said that together.

spk_0:   43:42
So many people say it because you much like our state, have isolated yourself from this entire vast universe of music that you just deemed to be meat headed. But it's great because I

spk_1:   43:55
don't want to listen to the hard core from subways.

spk_0:   44:00
You know what I think this is funny. Do you like the first time that I ever heard like bands like that to me. I just imagine them playing on like a suspension bridge and like Parker's and like they all had boots. And they're all just like Yellen like it's an onyx video or something. I don't know. That's a funny image to me, but anyway, gobble ghoul under oath was one of was one of those big shit bands that came out of here and the thing about under oath. Do you remember the thing? What

spk_1:   44:34
were the, uh, the thing? Terrible. The side of your terrible. So they were a They were like one of those weird Christian Christian bands, like they were one of the bands and we'll probably talk more about, like, Christian, hardcore Christian punking stuff like that. But it was strange because there was this weird period of time. We're like tooth and nail. Records were coming out like that labels out in solid state, and they were putting out a bunch of, like, Christian metal core singing, screaming, hardcore bands. There was a lot of them at that time. I remember. I remember being in a couple of them, like I remember like like I remember like listening to like stretch Armstrong like, for a little bit. And I remember listeningto like, I remember really liking the first couple of me without you records, which we're gonna talk about me without you on another episode. Overall, I just never really got into any of those labels or any of those bands. And so under oath was with a big one. And I remember just being this very strange phenomenon around that around like Cornerstone Festival, that is, uh, but now, Beloved wasn't from here, but they were. They were grouped in with that

spk_0:   45:38
beloved out. It's the drummer from Beloved Ended up, I believe, and are he ended up in a band with the drummer of Under Oath. It was like some pop man. I remember seeing like the almost Yeah, some shit that was garbage. But then that's that guy that played drums. And those two garbage bands ended up singing for Advent, which I think is one of the only Christian, hardcore bands that anyone should ever give a shit about. Have you ever heard Advent

spk_1:   46:08
is a short friend out of encounter you? No, I've never I never actually listened them. No,

spk_0:   46:18
I'm gonna tell you Right now, it's like the best parts of converge and just like in Saint, I mean an insane intensity and insane heaviness that makes me forget that they have anything to do with God. And I have perused their lyrics, and there's nothing too glaring, which I always appreciate it because for some reason around this time, this time they were talking about this turn of the century and the two thousands. There was a lot of these bands in Florida, and there was a weird proliferation of Christian bands in Florida. I remember almost every show that one would pop up, and I was like, Are we at the right shows? Is this happening in other towns is happening in other cities? Why? Why are there so many fucking Bible thumpers everywhere?

spk_1:   47:00
And so that the panic Chad and I played in played in a lot of Christian shows, like we got somehow looped into the big like the Christian like metal core scene up in Jacksonville. So we had, like, this weird strange following up in Jacksonville with his band like If I should Die and I forget what the other bands were, but like we got looped in with that group, so But I also remember at the same time and we'll probably talk about this time period Maur later. But I remember at the same time there was this big blowup of like, uh, like anti Christian sentiment within the punk and hardcore scene that was, like a little bit more volatile, a little bit more aggressive. Like I remember one of our friends, like a tour of a Bible in front of a Christian band while they were playing at the coffee shop

spk_0:   47:40
I've seen I've seen so many in that era 2000 to 3 4004 I saw so many Bibles ripped to shreds because people thought that was cool. And like I am by no means religious, So I did not give a shit. But after a while I was like, All right, guys, come on. Like e.

spk_1:   47:58
I was always kind of a comfortable with it. I was like I had never I was never like, overtly. I was never religious at all, but I was kind of like that doesn't feel good, Like I was always kind of had a moment where as an atheist, I was like

spk_0:   48:08
I don't need

spk_1:   48:09
to test it, like, you know, like I like. I remember one time I had a, um Ah, a shirt that said that it was It was Ah, because we have a local flea market. That's like it's really shitty dust.

spk_0:   48:23
Oh, God, I love and oh, I mean, I would I would do a bonus episode. Just taught just I would like to take a recorder to the flea market. I would like to take an audio recorder and just just record my trip. The wonders that she will find there.

spk_1:   48:37
Yeah. So besides that terrible loss, like, I just I can't stand because I fucking hate that place. Like, it makes me feel dusty when I leave, they're like, it makes me feel shower. I need to take a shower as when I walk in. So one of my favorite things in kind something we saw a lot at that time, too, was that people were spray painting their shirts like they remembered like they would like put masking tape on the shirt. He was wearing paint, like some terminology on. So we did that. Um, but we would get shorts from the flea market because there were some ridiculous shorts and I always found, like, the religious shirts that were, um, like, Oh, like they were blasphemous by being overtly religious like they were like idolatry. And I like So, for example, I had a shirt that was Jesus in the Michael Jordan Post Slam, dunking the world.

spk_0:   49:21
That's kick Ass I

spk_1:   49:22
like. And it said it said Air Jesus on it.

spk_0:   49:24
Yeah, that's also and

spk_1:   49:25
I remember being like, This is so ridiculous. I remember getting that shirt on the back like painting. Uh, something like God is dead or something on it. Like it would wear that around because we're, like, shitty, like we're shitty kids, like I was a kid, like, you know, like going back Now I'm like,

spk_0:   49:42
That's That's pretty

spk_1:   49:43
disrespectful like, and I would like if I saw a kid wearing that. Now I'd be like,

spk_0:   49:46
Why would you do that? I mean, I might be like, I don't know. I feel like, and I don't even consider myself an atheist, but I'm not religious. I, I grew up in private school is I talked about last time, and I mean, I have a lot of resentment towards organized religion. But, you know, there's a part of me that's just like it's pretty cool of kids. They're still bucking the system like that.

spk_1:   50:08
Yeah. I mean, I'm cool with that. I'm cool, like the like, the damn the man mentality. But I'm also like like I have that moment where I still like as an atheist, as somebody who has, like, who needs proof to be able to kind of, like, be able to go back and say like, Hey, maybe, you know, like, I don't have that moment like, I never have that, like, nagging feeling, which you know, is my own existential crisis. But I don't have anything like that. And so but I'm also that person. Now that's like me. And maybe this is just me getting older, like I

spk_0:   50:36
don't need to

spk_1:   50:36
test it like I'm good with. I don't like I don't want to be that person. It's like like I don't I wouldn't want to stand in front of be somebody I wouldn't want. I wouldn't have to want to stand in front of all my friends and then go like, Hey, did you say fuck Mikey like, were you telling people like, were you? What? You re talking shit like I don't wanna have to do that in front of God if that ever like, you know, I mean, like, you could have, like, hit me with a lightning bolt any time in the whole time I'm going like, fuck God, God, God, is that like being a shitty snot produced and, you know, like I just have That's kind of my mentality now And that's maybe obliterates song lyric.

spk_0:   51:12
I mean, I don't know. I I want to do an entire episode on Christian hardcore. I'm sure we'll get Thio, Christian, punk, rock, whatever. I'd always confused me. Um, I never understood why there was such a high volume of it around us because, you know, I go back and I read scenes from other places. I read interviews of bands from other times and other places, and it doesn't seem like that was any thing. And it always made me feel as if where we were as awesome as it was, it was a bit of Ah, it's kind of like a goof troop circus show. I don't know. I you know, I like I said, Florida's isolated and I think we get this trickle down things. So I think it creates some weird, weird stuff. And and before the Internet, it was about as weird as it got. I mean, every show there seemed like there was a Christian band. Um, just weird styles of like dissonant, screeching and and melody infused with, like metal riffs. I mean, I just I it I was glad to see it all go I really

spk_1:   52:15
well, but I think I think in this kind of like I would say, that's probably kind of wraps up. The idea of Florida and punk rock and stuff is that, um, the state of Florida is like genuinely and, um, pretty overtly schizophrenic, like it's there's like there's there so much stuff in there so much random culture here that nothing like nothing is consistent.

spk_0:   52:42
Nothing belonging to us. It all comes from other Nellie's is

spk_1:   52:45
right, and I think that, like when we were going to shows like the hard core shows and the punk Josie went thio were a reflection of that to some level like no matter what scene we were in. Like I, I would say that our scene probably had a pretty eclectic like, like amount of shows are like the shows that we had were pretty interesting. I mean, I always reference the fact that we saw Follow Boy and mastered on play the same show. Yeah, like like Volvo Boy opened for Mass it on like I have that you know? So which is it is such a ridiculous thing. So stupid, But it like it's just this. It's chaotic, It's schizophrenic. There's no rhyme or reason because there was all this influence here in the state that is, every city ISOS far apart in every scene was so different. So we got, like, bleed into every city in every show from it.

spk_0:   53:34
Yeah, I think. Do you think that makes sense? I mean, you know, some of the stuff we talk about it's like it's been in the back of my mind for years, but like to say it out loud, it like it makes sense. I mean, a DEA When When? I mean, you know, when I finally got in bands that were like, really touring like and we you know, we go to Philly, we go thio New York or whatever, and you get to see up close and personal how different it looks. It made me a little self conscious. I was like, Oh, are kind of don't know what I'm fucking doing. Well, like e mean and not that I thought they were cool. Is people because, you know, I'll say this, like, 80% of the people I ever met on the road, we're fucking douchebags. But they were cool in a way that I was like, Oh, they're plugged in more. They got this first, and they understood it better. Ah,

spk_1:   54:27
yeah, I think we got this weird bastardized like, um, heat?

spk_0:   54:32
Well, yeah, I think the temperature fucks us all up. I mean, people think that we're resilient, too, because we live in it. We live in airconditioning, motherfucker. We don't go outside. Are you kidding me?

spk_1:   54:42
No. Why would we

spk_0:   54:42
know what terrible burst it burst into flames. But, um, before we before we wrap up the Christian segment, I just want to relate a quick story because this was how strange it was. And this was before the Internet, which is also I keep saying, this is a topic running cover. This is going here, but life before the Internet, especially when it comes to touring. And playing in bands is definitely next, very soon. But, um, first man I was ever in, we got asked to play a show, and it was through a way. We had Internet means through email, but we didn't have, like, social media. So we said yes, because it was like an all day festivities about four hours south. And it wasn't in Miami. It wasn't like Stuart or C bring or one of those weird towns where people just fucking die. So we roll up and and you know that we didn't really have a great job. So we don't have a ton of money and we roll up and it's at a church. And I mean, we used to have shows in Daytona next to a church we called it. The church had nothing to do with religion. It was just a building. And in fact, that was the first place ever saw Bible, you're ripped up. But anyway, um, we get to this this show and it's this. It's like it's like a mega church, and I we like, pull up in like, Oh fuck, dude, because we were not at all a religious ban. And we get there and and, you know, we're like, Well, do we stay? I mean, what do we d'oh? And we One thing that is good about these, these king Christians, they will pay you. At least back then, it was like, Oh, well, we have to pay everybody. This is for the glory of our savior. We have We have to make sure that they can get home and they can buy food for themselves. So we knew we were going to get, like, 60 or 80 bucks, which was, like, mind blowing. So we decided, okay? And we did. And we played this show and all these bands prayed before they played, and I just By the end of the day, I was so irritated by it. And this is what a little shit I was and how ungrateful I was because we were asked and we were like, second last. They wanted us to play. Nobody fucking liked us. Nobody should have cared about us. Okay, we earned this spot and I should have been grateful. But what I did was I put up a sign at our merch booth that said, Christian metal equals Nazi reggae. Now that is, That's not mine. That's from propaganda, E. But I was, But I I repurposed. I was like, here we are, said Christian, punk or Christian hardcore guys. The original thing is Christian metal equals Nazi Rick. And I was like, Yeah, that'll fucking get him. And then the punks thin the pastor. The church comes by and he's like, Could you please take that down? And I'm like, Okay,

spk_1:   57:18
that's so punk, like like so ate his face

spk_0:   57:21
The okay, that's that's the It's good to have a streak of fuck you in you. But when you get called on your shit, if it's something like that, especially when they're gonna pay you and I'm pretty sure they said us to gave us water move,

spk_1:   57:40
that's awesome. I mean, I would argue that's on a value that, like any of us, held as strongly as like like anti Nazi sentiments like like when she, the skinheads would show up the shows. We get rid of him and stuff, but like, not like it was never like the book Christians was like, kind of like, uh, we're different than you That's fine. Like, that's kind of how it was. You know?

spk_0:   57:59
I mean, I got my own hang ups with it, and I went through a period where I was like, you know, it seemed like there was a resurgence of it in the late to thousands. Like, there was a lot of Christian Tampa bands, and we're playing hard core shows, and I'm like, What the fuck is this? But I ended up befriending some of those guys, and it was fine. Just you don't need to be mad all the time. Contrary to what some of the music would imply. You don't need to be

spk_1:   58:22
married at the time, right? Exactly. So, um, do we need to cover anything else, but about Florida? I think that kind of covers the gist of it.

spk_0:   58:31
I think I mean, as far as Florida, I mean, like, we haven't scratched the surface of all the fucked up shit. But I mean, as far as, like, the music scene as we know,

spk_1:   58:39
it goes, Yeah, Yeah, I think I think is we kind of go through the episodes and stuff. We're gonna orient Immortal. I kind of like when we talk about the Gainesville scene. We're gonna talk about how we played in barns at, like, four. In the morning and like that, Like the cover for the show was like, You bring a keg or like, uh, like playing in, like, ST Petersburg in a fucking skate park in the middle of summer and all of us wanting to pass out because it was it was hotter inside in July than it was outside. And that was the worst show ever in our friend Ah, Manny Diaz. EOD who wore a sweater during our entire set. Well, that was occurring. Every sweater

spk_0:   59:12
got the sweater was free of the worId. That was the deal.

spk_1:   59:15
Yeah, and now he's now he's daredevil. But you've got three side people. It's so it's so it's like we're gonna go. We're in a real deep with that, but I think, you know, just kind of like as we go through, we're gonna reference a lot of this stuff and kind of talk about the scenes and the shows that we played. And like these places that are kind of landmarks for our coming of age story. Um, so I don't know. I think just we did. I think this is just kind of a good way to orient you to that as we go forward. So,

spk_0:   59:43
yeah, I mean, well, what did I just do with my voice? Ah, when you know, when we first sat down to do a podcast, it was, you know, you know, tryingto outline and things like, make sure this we say this, make sure people have a reference, and it's not too inside, and we're gonna miss stuff along the way. And I just hope that our little therapeutic conversations are informational and funny and entertaining. And, you know, if you if you stick with us, you'll, uh you'll you'll you'll get the landscape and you'll understand how all this stuff can apply. Itto it's relatable. I I want the show to be relatable, and I think I think it is. I think it will be even more so.

spk_1:   1:0:25
Yeah, and if it's not, then

spk_0:   1:0:27
yeah, I mean, we were just This is us also hanging out. So this is like playing in a band without playing shows, so

spk_1:   1:0:32
yeah, no, we give a shit. So, um all right, so we're gonna cover We're your normal segment, which is explain this band has been What the fuck did you become? Wants your pope. All right, so last week, camera back on a So so last week Mikey picked, um, the worst album that we could have started this thing with you. I'm just saying, in general we probably could have picked any other record, but that and been fine. I would have rather listen to you Jeff Goldblum's jazz album because he plays piano. He tickles the ivory's Now, Did you know

spk_0:   1:1:19
that the record we talked about was the latest rise in the North Star record? And since that record, I sense that that segment I have doubled down. I listen to them at least once or twice a week. I've just been blasting that shit everywhere first and second LP So much fun. I love it Makes me happy when I hear when I hear the chorus to cat's Ooh, I I just I want to just jump out my car window and and and fight a shark.

spk_1:   1:1:46
Yeah, well, we're not time of that. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

spk_0:   1:1:49
Ah, and and we will begin the segment. Explain this band. Shane, you've chosen for us this week something that I find not as off putting as you found my pick, but ah, off putting on less. So, yeah, the band is named Lords. I keep wanting to say, Lord and I think I keep thinking of the South Park episode Lord Lord, Lord Lord. But, um, the band is called Lords. I'm assuming they're from Louisville. Yes, in the house are the house. The album is called the house that Lourdes built. So you need to You need to You need to tell me what the fuck this is. OK, tell me right now.

spk_1:   1:2:28
Okay, here's what Here's okay. In order to understand this band, Um, so first of all, this is kind of the stuff that I got into you, like, right around the time was playing in a game of you. So, like when we were playing a lot of shows and like getting in the box and breather resisting all those bands.

spk_0:   1:2:41
Game of you is your technical dissonant

spk_1:   1:2:44
with my sort of

spk_0:   1:2:46
yes, hardcore converge e band?

spk_1:   1:2:48
Yeah, I like the converging band as into that, Um good. But, uh, there's no, it's great. It's great. Ah, lot of bang overs from that from that band.

spk_0:   1:2:57
You think a bank over was a sexual thing until somebody explain it to me?

spk_1:   1:3:00
No, no, no. It's a sword from banging your head too much. You

spk_0:   1:3:03
have a bang over tonight, sailor.

spk_1:   1:3:05
Who's sick? So the scene that we often got caught up in like, just to give kind of a frame for everybody is like the first show that I ever played with this band was with cursed. So like curses, which is like a really cool thing. So we got tied into, like, the Louisville bands that were like this really loud, lots of feedback, these big walls of noise. And they didn't really sound like any other senior dirty and just like like, not grungy but kind of like just loud and obnoxious. And so you have these bands, like National Acrobat that kind of like ushered in this scene and then that you had, like, a black cross and breather resist in in all these bands of kind of like like this incestuous scene, right? Yeah, full wards was this band that got tied in with them that were from their And their first album is called The House That Lourdes built and it's just like this insane, chaotic, like I don't understand it. And I have spent years trying to, like, wrap my head around how they play and like what they do. But, ah, I remember getting this record because I remember seeing them. Do you remember that show they played at, um, nice fleas. And it was Yes. Coliseum breather, resist. And Lord, it was

spk_0:   1:4:10
like all those Louisville bands at the time, because there's, like, a 1,000,000 of them that all share members, right?

spk_1:   1:4:15
Yeah. And so they would all day with all tour together because you would be like you would see, like I think that that show was breather resists. Call Siham and Lord, remember,

spk_0:   1:4:24
reading was insanely loud.

spk_1:   1:4:27
Yes, well, Lourdes was louder, and it's only three dudes and they had a wall of they just had a wall of amps. I remember sitting in this, like done Ginny shows

spk_0:   1:4:37
like the hold of a ship. It's tiny,

spk_1:   1:4:39
yet tiny, tiny, tiny space. And they had, like, a 10 foot wall of amps for three dudes, and they were allowed. They were the second band that made my ears bleed. Uh,

spk_0:   1:4:49
your ears bled.

spk_1:   1:4:51
Yeah. Yeah, like I had. Like Like, they did some damage. Never had. But I was also standing very, very close to them. Like I was really up there.

spk_0:   1:5:00
Your head's just inside the kick drum.

spk_1:   1:5:02
Yeah. Yeah, Well, and they would play like this old vintage equipment That was, like, just loud to vamps. And like, the I remember, the drummer had, like, this insane looking this ridiculous vintage like Ludwig Drum set. And then because I guess Louisville, like, in every thrift stop short, like every thrift store they have. Just like vintage equipment lying around like, Oh, you want this like this? Sony

spk_0:   1:5:22
up. There we go. It's fine. I know you want this. You want this kick drum? That's Ah, 30 30 40 inches big. Is this

spk_1:   1:5:31
loud feeling on? So, like, I feel like that. So So they put out this record, and it's like, maybe 15 minutes long, right?

spk_0:   1:5:39
Dude, I was looking at your track listing. It's I mean, it's like a minute, five minutes in nothing over two minutes until the last track, which is 19 minutes. Yes. Schizophrenic

spk_1:   1:5:52
schizophrenic? Yeah. Loud, obnoxious kind of noodle e. Um, Lots of yelling and I do. I love this album like that that that album gets ahold of me from the first song through.

spk_0:   1:6:07
Here's what I'll say. I know you don't think I'm capable of appreciating something that is so nuanced. Actually, I don't think it's nuanced at all. It's it's kind of just a wall of fuck hitting you in the face a little thing that I don't I don't understand. And this This was a problem I have with a lot of these bands, cause you would always show them to me like, Dude, it's heavy. I'm like, Yes, it's heavy, The rifts are cool But then the singer comes in and it's like and it's like, Okay, I like the screech discreet to school. And then the voice gets all Sassa fres on me and it's like, Yeah, it makes it makes my my my nuts tighten like it just they shrink up inside my body and I hear it and all I hear, even though the riffs air cooling, it's loud and it's mean it's all here Is the Blood Brothers.

spk_1:   1:7:00
No. Okay, so that I was gonna

spk_0:   1:7:03
who here is There's too little way fish men going

spk_1:   1:7:07
Okay, So here's what I'll say about that He I get I get what you're saying about the sassiness part, but it is not broke. Blood Brother Sasi by Not by a long shot like No, it's not. And you don't know that

spk_0:   1:7:21
you never bottle. I saw the blood brothers with American Nightmare when they decided to be like, Oh, well, we're different now. I saw them with American Nightmare and glasses and a blood brother.

spk_1:   1:7:30
No, you did not see American Nightmare. You saw American? Nothing on the one tour. They did a minute name. I still have that.

spk_0:   1:7:36
That was when it all went to shit for them. I didn't give a fuck,

spk_1:   1:7:39
But then when they came back his American nightmare I It took me like I listen to their album three times before I was like, Whoa, there, American Nightmare again.

spk_0:   1:7:46
Do the new one. Are you talking about the one from last year? Yeah, one time. And I was just great put it was great. Put it in the incinerator. But we're

spk_1:   1:7:54
talking about lords, so we're talking like they were, like, near No, they they were not, like, sassy like they weren't like sassy tight pants like fashion core dude like the Blood Brothers albums were that were coming out like that was a very different scene, like

spk_0:   1:8:07
the little warning voice it it just a hearing. And I'm just like, Why? That's not natural. Who does that? This sri the shriek is, is Ah is Ah, it's like a It's a pulverizing sound. It's like Go with that. But then you take away from it with this, like it's that's fine. I I listen to several of the songs, and it's been the first time I listen to in a really long time, so I have listen to that record before. But, um, it look at you. You trashed my pick up and down. You threw it in the sewer. All I'm saying is this I don't hate it, but it's definitely not something that I would say. Like I feel like listening to this disgusting noise with a cat person singing for it. Yeah, and that's

spk_1:   1:8:59
fine. I still give him five out of five Ah feedbacks

spk_0:   1:9:04
five out of five. So we'll have a different scale every time. Yeah, it's five out of five

spk_1:   1:9:09
backs because you measure because, like That's how you measure. Like if you go to a show, you're like, How how long was it? It's like 15 feet

spk_0:   1:9:19
they were about. They're about 10 feet backs and then they turned it up to where it was 15 feet bags. And then my brain literally leaked out of my ear canals, and I had to take it home in a cup.

spk_1:   1:9:30
Yeah, it's like if you've ever had this five hour and I'm just drinking. You have more than one. It's like 10 hours of energy. That's what it was like. So, like, most bands play it like like a seven or eight feet backs, and they played it like a 15 feedbacks.

spk_0:   1:9:48
You know, the idea of just drinking one after the other, the other and thinking like this isn't gonna stop my heart. I'm just gonna be good for the next 20 hours. I've had 45 hour energies four times five means 20 hours of energy. It doesn't mean massive corn here.

spk_1:   1:10:03
Yeah, no, that's not It's not gonna stop your heart. It's gonna give you extra energies. The

spk_0:   1:10:07
only time I drink one of those an all night drive from Richmond to Daytona and, um, I I called people in the in the dead of night and I I I just thought I was just I rambling like ho I could chew on the steering wheel just like I had this weird voice going on where I was, like, half singing and yelling and just Oh, it was, have a low tolerance for chemicals.

spk_1:   1:10:30
Well, and that's how I feel about bands that have a high level feedbacks. So lords, the house that Lourdes built five out of five feedbacks,

spk_0:   1:10:40
five out of five feet bags. All right,

spk_1:   1:10:43
so I think that's it. Do we have anything? Do you have anything else you want to cover?

spk_0:   1:10:48
Likely have no pressing business at this time. Chad will be back next week or we will go to D. C. And we will get him. What's what's

spk_1:   1:11:00
on the podcast? Aggressively

spk_0:   1:11:03
put the mic in front of your first.

spk_1:   1:11:05
Hey, just talk about stuff.

spk_0:   1:11:07
Talk about shit with us, Way We'll we'll talk to you guys soon. Eso until next time. Annihilate this week. And, uh, good night, Mr Allen. Wherever you are.