It is that time of year... When Steve and Matt are too busy to record and I want to tell you all the things to prepare you for this upcoming year. While everyone is telling you to live your "best" life and showing you how to do life "better". I want to share a secret with you... You don't need a better life and you might already be living your best life. Listen in to today’s episode to hear what I am talking about. Get on the waitlist for Jessica's Group Coaching program! www.theboldlogic.com/be...
Dec 29, 2021•28 min•Ep. 129
Today we talk about all the things. We start off with some real uncomfortable conversations and move on to the day-to-day of what is going on now. But mostly we talk about how it is to bring your new boyfriend to meet your ex's family. 😅 Co-parenting can lead to come pretty interesting situations you never thought you would be put into. But here we are embracing them all and making the most of it. Happy Holidays to you and yours. We are sending you all the love today and always. If you want to ...
Dec 22, 2021•33 min•Ep. 128
Dear Listener- For years Steve was convinced that if Penny left the church I would be a mess and hold it over her head. And while I see how the church has helped ME live the life I want to live, I see clearly how my path is NOT forever one, my daughter included. In this week's Dear Listener Episode we dive into how we co-parent with different beliefs and value systems in place. Steve, Matt and myself all have different views around this but we all agree on one thing that makes it possible for us...
Dec 15, 2021•42 min•Ep. 127
I had a bad experience... We have heard this more times than we would like to admit when it comes to church leadership, teachers, or just other people in the congregation. When it comes down to it, these are relationships that we are ALL trying to work through. Let’s learn from our experiences and then take action so we can experience growth. We are all human and are going to make mistakes along the way, let’s show some empathy for everyone involved. Today our guest, Kurt Francom, is here to hel...
Dec 08, 2021•43 min•Ep. 126
Have you ever had a church leader give you counsel that didn't resonate or feel right for you? Yeah, we have too. Today we are sharing some of the experiences we have had both as a leader in the church as well as our interactions with church leadership. We will be sharing our best, worst, and funniest moments. As you can tell from the title some of them have been pretty interesting. If you want to join this conversation and share your stories, send us an email to jessica@theboldlogic.com or DM u...
Dec 01, 2021•48 min•Ep. 125
We are talking about TWO mysteries today... Have you seen the mystery man hanging out with Steve? Well today Steve is opening up about it. We dive into dating, how it is to date when you have a podcast, and what it looks like when I, Jessica, meet someone who is important to Steve. We are also sharing a story that might get us into a little trouble. Please don't tell us! But for real... 😅 Little Dudes are done until next year but don't forget we have some awesome t-shirts, coloring books, and j...
Nov 24, 2021•43 min•Ep. 124
I am getting a divorce. I am pretty sure we have all heard these words from a friend or loved one. But what do you do when you hear this?! How do you react? What help can you offer? What does someone doing through a divorce need from you? This week on our Dear Listener Episode we dive into what to do when someone you love is getting a divorce because who doesn't know someone going through a divorce? We share our stories of what worked (and what didn't work) when people showed up for us during ou...
Nov 17, 2021•42 min•Ep. 123
Three of Jessica's favorite men in one room... What could go wrong?! 😅 You are about to find out! Ever wondered how it would feel to be the parent of someone going through a divorce. We talk about what it was like to have your daughter calling and telling my parents are getting divorced. What it was like to talk to Steve after Jessica and Steve separated. We lay out some of the things that worked for us to help support each other through the divorce process. Be sure to pick up your "Little Dude...
Nov 10, 2021•43 min•Ep. 122
Okay maybe these stories aren't scary for you but they were scary for us because sometimes revisiting past experiences can be scary! This week we are telling untold stories from when we got divorced. And when I say we, I am talking about when Matt and Ann got divorced and when Steve and I got divorced. Don't worry Matt and I are still going strong. 💪🏼 We ask Matt some hard questions about his divorce, Steve shares details from his affair that I have never heard and we wrap it up with some talk...
Nov 03, 2021•56 min•Ep. 121
Who has a teen driver in the house?! We do! And this week we talk about all the things teenager-related. (How did we get here?! 😅) Other topics include: ✨Matt's thoughts on Elder Holland's address to the BYU Staff (You can find Steve's and Jessica's response on IGTV.) ✨Jessica's Basketball playing skills ✨How we are doing with a teen driver. (I often find myself singing the "Jesus Take the Wheel Song") ✨And last but not least how to help when you feel helpless. Want to pick up the shirt Matt de...
Oct 27, 2021•42 min•Ep. 120
Here are some of the main talking points from this episode.: ✨Taking the shame out of your conversations by tempering your reactions and acknowledging your mistakes. ✨Take care of yourself first! ✨Owning your part. Their “issues” might seem bigger but you still need to own your part in the relationship. ✨Sharing with people you and your partner trust. Can’t wait to hear what you think! Get some Be BOLD Swag, pick up a coloring book and take advantage of our other resources at https://theboldlogi...
Oct 20, 2021•46 min•Ep. 119
This week we interview a blast from our past, Dr. Elia Gourgouris. If you want to find more happiness in your life, this episode is for you! Dr. Elia Gourgouris is the president of The Happiness Center, an organization of world-leading experts in the field of Positive Psychology dedicated to creating personal success and happiness. He is also Founding Partner at The Global Institute of Thought Leadership, an organization that brings together bestselling authors, world-renowned speakers, industry...
Oct 13, 2021•47 min•Ep. 118
Ever wonder if there is a story we have not shared or have said we would never share? Well, we wanted to come back strong by sharing a story I (Jessica) said I would never share here on the podcast. It is something I have never even talked to my parents about. 😳 Why have we not shared it? Because I KNOW there will be people who judge me hardcore for this one. Why are we sharing it now? Because I KNOW there is someone who needs to hear it to heal and feel seen. Plus it is part of our story and I...
Oct 06, 2021•49 min•Ep. 117
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive back into Steve and Jessica’s journal entries from the period when they had patched things up to try and give dating another try. They were each going through a very tough time because things were not working out as they had expected. They go back to June 10, 2012, when Steve was journaling about his spiritual struggles. He believed that he had lost connection with God due to his inability to stop pursuing a gay lifestyle, and he used to act ou...
Sep 15, 2021•55 min•Ep. 116
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will take a deeper dive back into the time when Steve and Jessica were getting back together to give things another try, and each of them will pull up their journals and read through their six months of dating post-divorce period. Jessica will start by sharing a journal entry about how she and Steve passed by some of their friends in Colorado as they were heading back to Boise together, and how ballsy that was because she had just a few months before the...
Sep 01, 2021•56 min•Ep. 115
In this episode, Steve and Jessica will talk about the beginning of the end of their marriage, and how quickly it fell apart. - - - > Learn more at: https://linktr.ee/theboldlogic Additional Resources: Come hang out with us at our first in-person LIVE event. We can't wait to meet you! https://theboldlogic.com/hillive Are you a Stepmom? Is being a Stepmom something that may happen in your near future? I have a FREE ticket just for you to the Stepmom Summit. Claim it here: https://thestepmomsum...
Aug 18, 2021•39 min•Ep. 114
This was the time of the most turmoil and stress in Jessica and Steve's marriage. It was the breaking point. Steve had an affair with a man in hopes that it would shut down the gay side of himself, but the reality was quite the opposite. Learn more at: https://linktr.ee/theboldlogic Additional Resources Come hang out with us at our first in-person LIVE event. We can't wait to meet you! https://theboldlogic.com/hillive Are you a Stepmom? Is being a Stepmom something that may happen in your near f...
Aug 04, 2021•46 min•Ep. 113
Hey Guys, Jessica, Matt, and Steve here with a big announcement to make. Ever since we recorded our first episode of the Husband in Law podcast, we have really enjoyed the ride. We are grateful that you always tune in each week. Most importantly, we are humbled to know that we have helped many people with our perspective on issues such as coming out, divorce, and co-parenting We are always happy to receive feedback from our listeners that a certain episode helped them navigate something big in t...
Jul 21, 2021•33 min•Ep. 112
Last week, we answered one question from a listener, and this week we answer some more. This week’s set of questions are specifically directed to Steve. Among the questions we answer is one from a listener who wants to know how Steve navigated through coming out and divorce. This listener is in a similar situation, and hopefully, Steve’s perspective makes it easier for them. In addition, we chat about normalizing being gay by being open about it and showing children that gay couples are just lik...
Jul 14, 2021•38 min•Ep. 111
This week, Matt, Steve, and I tackle the topic of co-parenting and having the hard conversations that need to be had when raising kids in this situation. The key to successful co-parenting is swallowing your pride and putting aside your ego, and always remember that it is not about either of you; it’s about the wellbeing of the kids. Any anger or resentment you have towards the other parent must not affect the kids in any way. But even with the best of intentions, you and your ex will often disa...
Jul 07, 2021•44 min•Ep. 110
Last week Matt, Steve, and I discussed how to talk to kids about gender and sexuality…. This week we build on this by talking about how to approach the topic of dating with kids. 🙌 It is important for kids to learn about healthy relationships before they enter the dating world 💯 Opening up these conversations around sexuality and dating sends a clear message that they can be open with you about what is happening in their life. 👌 Our discussion today is based on a sheet of paper that Matt’s so...
Jun 30, 2021•49 min•Ep. 109
June is Pride Month, and just like we have done with previous episodes this month, we continue to celebrate and support the LGBTQ community. Today, Matt, Steve, and I discuss some ways you can talk with your kids about gender identity sexual orientation. It is important to open up these conversations with your children because the truth is that they are going to hear about these topics. The question is, are they going to hear it from you, or are they going to hear it from other kids in the playg...
Jun 23, 2021•40 min•Ep. 108
Hey guys, Jessica here with a new episode. 🙌 And today, Matt, Steve, and I are looking at ways straight, or cisgender people can be good allies to the LGBTQ community. 🏳🌈 If you are wondering, an ally is someone who has privilege but chooses to stand for and with a marginalized community by taking tangible ongoing actions to dismantle systems of oppression. A good ally to the LGBTQ community chooses to love and support people with a different sexual or gender orientation than theirs and affi...
Jun 16, 2021•55 min•Ep. 107
Hi guys, Jessica here! Following on from last week's episode, Matt, Steve, and I continue our conversation about coming out. Steve shares his experience coming out and some of the lessons he learned, and things he could have done differently. One important piece of advice we talk about is why you should manage your expectations of the response you will get from people. The best way to go about this is to give people time and space to process the new information. Remember, this is affecting them ...
Jun 09, 2021•47 min•Ep. 106
Hey Guys, Jessica here with another exciting episode for you. This week, we start off with an embarrassing co-parenting story that recently happened when I was dropping Penny off at Steve’s house. You’ve got to listen to this one. June is Pride Month, and we thought we could give some advice on how to respond when somebody comes out to you. As Steve always says, somebody very close to you will come out at some point in your life, and how you respond in that instance will shape your relationship ...
Jun 02, 2021•1 hr 1 min•Ep. 105
Hi everyone, Jessica here 🙌! And today, we're talking about making plans for the summer. Navigating summertime as a blended family can be a little stressful. We’ve had a lot of big moments in our co-parenting situation in the summertime. As we approach summer, we thought we could share our experiences and some of the things that have helped us out in this situation. One of the things we talk about in this episode is approaching summer with the right mindset. Some parents don’t want to make plan...
May 26, 2021•49 min•Ep. 104
Hi guys, Jessica here again with a new episode. This week we talk about what many parents struggle with; how to get kids to do their chores and teaching them why this is important. Getting kids to do chores is often a source of frustration to both the parent and the kid. The parent gets tired of saying it over and over again while the kid doesn't understand the fuss around it. In this episode, we discuss the approach we are using with Penny to get her to do her chores in a way that doesn't lead ...
May 19, 2021•48 min•Ep. 103
Hi guys, this is Jessica, and this week, we're back with a new episode! In it, we discuss something a lot of women experience: the realities of being a step-mom. Just like being a mother, being a step-mom can be difficult, scary, and emotionally draining. Navigating those relationships with your spouse's ex and your step-children is never easy, and so, sometimes, mistakes happen. And today, I own up to the mistakes I made as a new step-mom. I believe all mistakes can be lessons, and I hope you c...
May 12, 2021•47 min•Ep. 102
Hi everyone, Jessica here! And today, we're back with a new episode about something that's a pretty big part of our lives. But first, a little catch up: Steve is back from vacation and he is TANNED. He's spent some time on the beach, and he's feeling energized and better than ever now (I must say, I’m a bit jealous)! Now, let’s move on to this week's discussion: how Mother's Day goes in blended families. The beginning was a bit difficult for us. We had to find a way to manage Mother's Day for al...
May 05, 2021•47 min•Ep. 101
Hi guys, it's Jessica! And today, we're coming back with another episode. Our 100th one as it happens (YAYY)!! And because we've reached such a huge milestone, this week, we're going back to the beginning. But first, since this is our 100th episode (again, YAYY), we have a gift for you guys. I mean, where would we be without you all? We wanted to show our gratitude, so we created a special line of greeting cards for you. They're free, so get them while they're still hot! Now, going back to this ...
Apr 28, 2021•40 min•Ep. 100
