In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive into why Steve and Sebastian’s relationship didn’t work out and discuss how dating went for Jessica. A lot of listeners have been reaching out to the trio about why Steve and Sebastian are not together, and so they will go into a journal entry that Steve had written about what went wrong with the relationship. Steve and Sebastian met while Steve was still married to Jessica and it was an intense on/off relationship all through, up until Steve a...
Feb 19, 2020•47 min•Ep. 38
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will interview Melanie Parrish Anderson about her book, "Lessons Learned from the Starfish." Melanie, who also happens to be Matt's aunt, is an exceptional teacher. She began her teaching career 25 years ago in kindergarten and Title One Math. After seven years, she transferred to second grade where she really got the opportunity to really positively impact her students lives. Melanie graduated from Idaho State University with a B.S. in Elementary Educat...
Feb 12, 2020•58 min•Ep. 37
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about how Matt came into everybody's life. They recently attended a winter carnival in McCall with all their kids, and they will talk about how much fun they had there, Steve especially, who Jessica and Matt had not seen having that much fun in a long time. They will then take a trip down memory lane and talk about how they first met. It was when they found themselves in the same church ward and Matt was actually the one who noticed Steve and J...
Feb 05, 2020•45 min•Ep. 36
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will start the show off by answering questions from their listeners, starting off with one that was sent to Steve about whether Matt contributes to the co-parenting of Penny between Steve and Jessica. They will dive into the fact that even though Steve and Jessica are primarily responsible for the parenting of Penny, Matt has a great parent-child relationship with Penny, and Penny knows to always respect Matt no matter the situation. The three have never...
Jan 29, 2020•42 min•Ep. 35
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive back into Steve and Jessica’s journal entries from the period when they had patched things up to try and give dating another try. They were each going through a very tough time because things were not working out as they had expected. They go back to June 10, 2012, when Steve was journaling about his spiritual struggles. He believed that he had lost connection with God due to his inability to stop pursuing a gay lifestyle, and he used to act ou...
Jan 22, 2020•53 min•Ep. 34
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will take a deeper dive back into the time when Steve and Jessica were getting back together to give things another try. They will each pull up their journals and read through their six months of dating post-divorce period. Jessica will start by sharing a journal entry about how her and Steve passed by some of their friends in Colorado as they were heading back to Boise together, and how ballsy that was because she had just a few months before then passe...
Jan 15, 2020•54 min•Ep. 33
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will rewind to the point in time when they were all divorced but didn’t know each other yet. Matt’s divorce from Ann has just been finalized, and Steve and Jessica had also just gotten divorced, and they were all looking to get into the dating scene. Jessica was the first to start dating and was actually hooked up with a guy she used to work with when she was married to Steve. She went out with him twice, and then dated his roommate twice too before call...
Jan 08, 2020•51 min•Ep. 32
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk to Roxanne Kennedy Granata, author of the amazing book "Cutting Ties", where she shares her story of healing through the trials of sexual betrayal, fighting to save her marriage, divorce, and rebuilding her life. Not only does she share her personal story, but she also offers hope to all women so that they can heal no matter what happens to their marriage. Many couples who work through recovery from sexual addiction, pornography addiction, and ...
Jan 01, 2020•50 min•Ep. 31
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about the Christmas traditions that they’ve had that have changed over the years. Matt shares that he and Ann never really came up with some Christmas traditions because they were together only a few years. He talks about how they went to garden glow when they met during the Christmas holidays and explains why he ended up hating garden glow so passionately. They will then dive into Steve and Penny’s December traditions, starting with Tuba Chris...
Dec 26, 2019•37 min•Ep. 30
In this episode, Steve and Jessica will finish the story of their first Christmas after they separated and then dive into the cliffhanger question that has so far remained unanswered. Jessica and Matt will talk about what Thanksgiving was like, and describe how they celebrated Fake Christmas (Black Friday). They actually went all out and did the stockings, gingerbread houses, the whole nine yards. Steve will also share how he spent his Thanksgiving in San Diego visiting some museums and going to...
Dec 18, 2019•48 min•Ep. 29
In this episode, Steve and Jessica will share what life was like for each of them during their separation. They will reminisce about how they spent their Thanksgiving that year, and talk about their cooking skills, or lack thereof for Steve. When they separated Jessica was in Boise living in their old house and working with a lawyer on their divorce papers, while Steve was in Oklahoma. Even though it was emotionally challenging for them to spend time together, Steve would always make sure he cam...
Dec 11, 2019•50 min•Ep. 28
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will welcome two very special guests, Ashlan and Wallace Nelson. They'll be talking about their experiences blending families, co-parenting, and making it all work. Ashlan and Wallace have been married a little over two years now, and their marriage was the second one for each of them. They blended two families when they got together with Wallace bringing in his five kids and Ashlan her three kids. Their story is quite unique in that they knew each other...
Dec 04, 2019•47 min•Ep. 27
In this episode, in the spirit of Thanksgiving, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about gratitude and how it plays into our individual lives and things that we're grateful for, as well as how it plays into relationships. They will start off by each sharing what they’re most grateful for and Steve will talk about being grateful for him and Penny being alive after the slight accident they had on the road when they hit a deer. Matt will talk about being grateful for family, the relationships that ...
Nov 26, 2019•46 min•Ep. 26
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will talk about Jessica’s book and journal, and specifically the journal. It’s called the Boldology Journal and it’s aimed at helping people determine where they have issues in their lives so they can work towards being happier and more fulfilled. They will talk about the part of the previous episode where Steve’s sister was present that they didn’t air because she didn’t feel comfortable about it being aired. Even though that episode would have helped a...
Nov 20, 2019•51 min•Ep. 25
In this episode, Matt will talk about what life was like after his divorce from his ex-wife was finalized. He had just found out that she was three months pregnant for the man that she had cheated with, and life was a little too hectic for him to even date again. He will dive into some of the terms of their divorce decree, most of which were more favorable to him, and how he used his time after the divorce to write business plans for some of the great business ideas he had. Eventually, he starte...
Nov 13, 2019•44 min•Ep. 24
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will dive into Matt’s backstory and where he’s at with his relationships. They’ll start off by reading a few great reviews from some of their rabid listeners and then get into the nine months that Matt was separated from his ex-wife before they eventually got divorced. Matt will get vulnerable and share what he went through when he found out that she was unfaithful, how people around him speaking out about it after the fact helped him get closure, and wh...
Nov 07, 2019•46 min•Ep. 23
In this episode, Matt, Steve and Jessica will bring Steve’s sister Suzi onto the show to share her perspective during the time Steve was coming out and during Jessica and Steve's divorce. Steve and Suzi start off by sharing their fondest memories of each other when they were growing up. They will then dive into Suzi’s side of things about Steve and Jessica’s marriage and how it progressed up until when Steve told her that the marriage wasn’t in a good place. It’s gonna be a super fun story. Enjo...
Oct 30, 2019•47 min•Ep. 22
In this episode, Matt and Jessica go along with Steve in a self-exploration process to understand a little bit more about the time he just came out of the closet with his family and why he felt so incapable of receiving support from his loved ones? For Steve, coming out of the closet in front of his parent and his church was one of the most difficult experiences ever and so, in the anticipation of him been rejected by pretty much everyone he knew, started to isolate from his loved ones despite t...
Oct 23, 2019•48 min•Ep. 21
In this episode, Steve and Jessica will open up about what happened when Jessica and Penny went to Steve’s parents’ house where everyone, including Steve’s siblings, was waiting to stage an intervention to find out how they could support Steve. Steve was not okay and could not see his self worth, and Jessica knew he needed to be loved by his family members, so she made sure they knew everything that they needed to know and do. Listen in as they share the heartwarming events of that period in tim...
Oct 16, 2019•44 min•Ep. 20
In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will start off by sharing some of the numerous awesome reviews they’ve received on iTunes and Steve will share his deep concerns about the issue of gay people who are afraid to come out choosing to commit suicide. Steve and Jessica will then talk about the period when they officially split and Jessica moved away from Oklahoma with Penny. Before the move, the two of them, Penny included, had had dinner with Sebastian... the guy Steve had cheated with. You...
Oct 09, 2019•39 min•Ep. 19
In this episode, Steve and Jessica will talk about the point at which their marriage finally ended and the events that led to that. It all started when they moved to Oklahoma and living in a hotel before they could move into their new house, and Steve cheated with a guy he met. He expected to be repulsed by the whole experience, but he ended up embracing it, and he had to tell Jessica about it so she could help him move forward with their marriage. Eventually, Steve couldn’t stop contacting the ...
Oct 02, 2019•45 min•Ep. 18
In this episode, Matt, Steve, Jessica will pick up where they left off on the previous episode, talking about how Steve and Jessica progressed in Colorado Springs. They’ll dive into Jessica’s creativity side hustle while Steve was away at work and what it was like for him to slowly come out as gay to people - including the “Same-Gender Attraction Group”. Then comes Toby... ...The Volkswagen bus they used to have, and how it made Steve feel more masculine. Tune in to find out why Steve named the ...
Sep 25, 2019•53 min•Ep. 17
In this episode, Steve will share his experience with wanting to get the love and support of his loved ones when he came out, and how that applies to relationships in general. Matt and Jessica will share their thoughts on that and dive into how it affects people. They will also talk about their long and short term goals, and how important it is for someone to sit down and write out their goals so they can hold themselves accountable to accomplishing them. Tune in to learn how you can set your go...
Sep 18, 2019•40 min•Ep. 16
In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will talk about relationships and how difficult they can be to build. Jessica and Steve will share the ups and downs they went through in developing their relationship when they were married, up to the point they’re at now. It’s going to be a super interesting story of the good and bad times they had all through their marriage, and how they relate with each other now. Enjoy! Highlights of the discussion: Why we should avoid anger in relationships (01:23)...
Sep 11, 2019•37 min•Ep. 15
In this episode, Jessica and Steve will talk about their move from Belize to Colorado Springs, how they adjusted themselves to the new environment, and the ups and downs they went through. They also dive extensively into Steve’s past struggles with pornography and being gay, while sharing how he overcame all that. Tune in and enjoy. Highlights of the discussion: Steve’s new job after moving from Belize to Colorado (01:04) Pornography did not make Steve gay (07:50) Support groups for Steve’s bene...
Sep 04, 2019•45 min•Ep. 14
In this episode, Jessica and Steve will share the story of how their daughter Penny was born. Penny’s arrival was a week late and it had been announced that the destructive hurricane Ida was headed their way. Listen in as they dive into how hectic the duration of the pregnancy was, the highly stressful situation that surrounded Penny’s birth in Belize, and how scary and emotional it was for Steve. Highlights of the discussion: The hustle of giving birth in Belize (01:03) Full day doctor’s appoin...
Aug 28, 2019•46 min•Ep. 13
In this episode, Matt discusses how the separation left him tired and exhausted, which happens to just about tally with how Jessica felt upon her split with Steve. Was the situation negatively affecting Matt so much that he was becoming a broken version of himself? Fortunately for him and his kids, his parents and his extended family rose up to the occasion to pick the pieces up. This episode definitely drives home the importance of families - it even shines the light on extended family members ...
Aug 21, 2019•39 min•Ep. 12
In this episode, Matt shares the rest of his story and dives into his open-mindedness about Steve and Jessica’s relationship. With Jessica and Steve’s contributions, they talk about how important that is and the impact it has had on each of them. Matt talks about his marriage to his ex-wife and what it was like, and all the ups and downs he went through in that marriage. This is gonna be a great listen, you won’t wanna miss it. Highlights of the discussion: Was Steve being judgemental of Matt? (...
Aug 14, 2019•56 min•Ep. 11
In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will share part two of their conversation with Natalie Hodson on her Pulling Back the Curtain Podcast. They will dive into everything from religion, divorce, and dating, with each one sharing their own personal experiences on those topics, while Natalie will talk about how she is making all types of relationships work in her life. Matt, Jessica and Steve will also talk about their very atypical relationship and how they co-parent together while maintaini...
Aug 07, 2019•40 min•Ep. 10
In this episode, Matt, Jessica and Steve will share the conversation they had with Natalie Hodson on her Pulling Back the Curtain Podcast. They will talk about everything from religion, divorce, and dating, with each one sharing their own personal experiences on those topics. Matt, Jessica and Steve will also talk about their very atypical relationship and how they co-parent together while maintaining the utmost respect for each other. This episode will be very beneficial to you no matter what r...
Jul 31, 2019•37 min•Ep. 9
