I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is scientists have figured out what was going on with those sawfish that were spinning around in Florida in the water earlier this summer and dying. They figured it out, they kind of know what it is, but they also don't know what the cause of it was, like in terms of why this actually happened. We're going to talk about that on today's episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast, so stay tuned and let's start the show. Hey,
everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. I am your host, Andrew Lewin. This is a podcast where you find out what's happening with the ocean, how you can speak up for the ocean and what you can do to live for a better ocean by taking action. And I have to tell you, it's Monday. It's the first day of the week. Well, I guess technically the second day of the week. But I was up north in at a cottage with some friends. We
played some golf. We were able to play some ping pong and just kind of catch up with a lot of friends that I haven't seen in a long time. It was the most beautiful weekend I've seen up in where I was in North Bay. It was 28 degrees, 26, 27, 28 degrees. It was absolutely gorgeous. Kind of scary though in September up north where you actually have this type of weather, this warm weather. Not something we want in the long term but it was kind of nice to enjoy I
guess. I don't really know. I digress. Today we're going to be talking about something that I think is really interesting. It's we know what was causing the sawfish and other fish to die and what was that behavior where sawfish were actually spinning around in circles and then dying. We know what caused it. We don't know how it happened, but we know what caused it or the complex that caused it. And we're going to talk about that today, which
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hear about for quite some time. There was a very disturbing behavior in the summer where these sawfish and other fish were like spinning around in circles and then just dying. It was very, very weird. Sawfish are part of the endangered species list, and they're critical. There are two populations, one in the Bahamas, one in the US, this population anyway, this species. you know, the bigger population is in the US, but it's still a problem, and it's something that we need to figure out to
protect them. A lot of people are doing some great work in Florida, as well as other places, to be able to protect them, so keep an eye out for that. But this story came off of National Geographic, which is really great to see that they're updating us on this. I've been looking for this for quite some time. And so over the summer, actually, they said in, I think it was in, November 2023? Maybe it was earlier than
that. There was this whirling in circles, like a phenomenon of this whirling in circles, usually until they died. Scientists later recorded the phenomenon in more than 80 different species, including parrotfish, bull sharks, and Goliath grouper. So this affected a lot of
fish. there was an investigation water samples were taken where these fish were dead uh there were a lot of samples analyzed there were fish that were analyzed and the the uh results were really quite quite interesting uh it was more than so What they were worried about is like, what was causing it? They thought it was a toxin. Where was this toxin? Where was it coming from? Where was it going? And how was it going into, you know, how was it being absorbed? And
where was it actually affecting these fish? So it says, after testing hundreds of water and fish samples, the experts concluded the symptomatic fish died from combined exposure of multiple toxins, possibly originating from multiple species of dinoflagellates. It's a type of macroalgae, essentially, so microscopic algae, so like a phytoplankton. Under normal conditions, these dinoflagellates in question live on seagrass or larger algae on the seafloor, rather
than a free-floating water column. But some as yet unknown driver, possibly heat, maybe a storm, even a mix of events, cause the dinoflagellates to leave their hosts and move upward into the water column. And according to Allison Roberts, who's a marine scientist who studies harmful algal blooms at the University of Southern Alabama Stokes School of Marine and Environmental Sciences and the Dolphin Island Sea Lab, said, it's just really rare. We've never really seen
that. This is what we have to work out in terms of what's happening here, what's happening in general. wasn't red tide we know that it wasn't red tide which is a bloom of toxic dinoflagellates and dissolved oxygen salinity and ph and temperatures were all within normal ranges and not suspected to be that cause the initial breakthrough came from michael parsons a marine ecologist who studies algal blooms at florida gulf coast university revealed that the levels of water samples showed
higher than normal levels of the type of seafloor-dwelling dinoflagellates in the genus Gambierdiscus. Gambiodiscus is the genus name. Now this algae produces a neurotoxin called ciguatoxin. And so people who eat seafood that are infected with ciguatoxin or the neurotoxin experience like ciguatera, which is like a condition that causes vomiting, nausea, neurological symptoms, so not great. So that was the biggest lead that Robertson said
they were going with because of the human health implications. They were worried that people were eating fish that had the ciguatera and they didn't want them to be sick. But there were no cases that they really saw, I think, that had this. So they didn't find many toxins
in the muscles of the symptomatic fish. But their livers, which is the organ responsible for filtering out the impurities, were chock full of toxins ranging from ciguatoxin to a variety of toxins produced by dinoflagellates other than the Gambier discus genus that I just mentioned. So in terms of the crux of it, it was not just ciguatoxin alone. based on the evidence that they've seen, but it's something that could be a combination of these neurotoxins that would cause these fish
to display such a behavior. Now, some algae produce multiple toxins, So it's not necessarily a one-to-one relationship. Now, so the sawfish were hit hard, and the thinking around this was sawfish don't necessarily hang around in the water column. They hang around on the bottom. If you actually look at a sawfish, it's a flat shark, what we call. So it looks like a
bit of a morph between a ray and a shark. You know, a buddy of mine and co-host of the Beyond Jaws podcast calls these guys, Dr. David Ebert, calls these guys shark rays, or flat sharks, is what they call them, flat sharks. So essentially what they do, these flat sharks lie on the bottom of the ocean, and they align the sea floor, where these dinoflagellates, the ciguatoxin dinoflagellates kind of hang out,
the Gambier discus. And so when they actually surf, like they swim along the bottom of the ocean, and they use that rostrum, that big saw-like sort of appendage, and they start to sift through the bottom. Now that could have disturbed that algae that was in that area and then it got through the gills as well as into the liver. That's where the sawfish had these dinoflagellate and the toxin in. So, you know, these are 16 foot long sawfish. They
use the saw to hunt, catching other fish and crabs and more. You know, it made sense that this dinoflagellate that it hits on the bottom, stays on the bottom, is getting disturbed. It kind of floats up a little bit and it gets into the gills and it gets into the liver. And that's why we probably saw, you know, high concentration of toxin-laden water that passed through the sawfish gills, causing
the neurological impacts that we saw where they were spinning in circles. So concerned about the fish's future, in spring 2024, for the first time in US history, scientists launched an emergency effort to rescue critically endangered sawfish impacted by the spinning phenomenon. On April 5th, they successfully rescued a distressed sawfish and began rehabilitation effort in Mote Marine Laboratory, an aquarium in
Sarasota. However, the animal did not survive. But reports of ailing sawfish then declined, and so we started to see less and less cases. But we're hoping that we'll be more prepared when we start to see these cases again. And because we know that it's multiple toxins, maybe we can know how to treat it better when they fix it, when they see it next time, if they see it next time. Now, there could be
a lot of things that cause this, and I mentioned them before. It could have been heat, it could have been a storm, it could have just been disturbance in an area and there
was a lot of dinoflagellates for that area. some of the water samples or many of the water samples didn't display any heightened dinoflagellates or heightened algae in that in the in the samples doesn't necessarily mean that's the case though so there still needs to be more research and more investigation that for this phenomenon and for what happened but This is giving us a little bit more of an answer of what happened to these fish and what could happen in
the future if we're not careful. Now, the biggest thing right now is to find out what happened, piece those items together, find out what the cause of it was and how these dinoflagellates got into these fish, right? And these a fish, where are they? Were they all in one area? Was it all over the place? How is the bottom disturbed if that's what the case was for the sawfish? And a lot of questions and a lot of answers. I'm sure it'd be great graduate work or a great research
study to happen in the future. And I'm sure that's going on right now. So we have a lot of people that are involved in this, which is great. I'll find out if I can get more of an update. I'm working on getting an interview with Michael Parsons who did a lot of the analysis. So we'll see what we can do. Maybe we can get Alison Robertson on the show as well. But that's it for today's episode. I hope you got some answers. I'd love to hear your
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