¶ Intro / Opening
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Before talking to anybody else, you need to first figure out how you're talking to yourself and make that into a healthier conversation and dialogue. Instead of saying, I'm personally so overwhelmed, all they're hearing is you're not competent, you can't get it done. Instead you want to turn it into a professional concern.
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¶ The Power of Small Talk
That's Aaron McGoff, also known as at Advice with Aaron. She's known as the internet's big sister, and she shares candid career and life advice to her six million plus followers across social media. She's also the best-selling author of The Secret Language of Work.
Hyper helpful scripts for every situation, which we're discussing today. So you'll learn one how to get a raise with just a few words, two, how to set boundaries like a pro, and three, the one phrase to stop using a work. And if you want a quick summary write-up of the actionable wisdom that Aaron shares, I recommend you sign up for our free Gold Nugget email newsletter found at awesomeatyourjob.com. I'm Pete McKitis. This is how to be awesome at your job, and now here's Aaron.
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Aaron, welcome!
Hi, I'm so happy to be here.
Well, I am happy to have you here talking about the secret language of work and more. So wow, you have a quite the impressive audience, six million plus followers across everything. Could you maybe kick us off by sharing what's a piece of advice you've offered that's been Counterintuitive, such that folks are like, no way. But you just staunchly believe, no, this is in fact the way.
Oh, I don't know, small talk comes to mind. You know, people tend to kind of hate and downplay small talk, thinking that it's just something that's not for introverts. But I always urge people to know the difference between being shy and being introverted.
and to understand that small talk is as old as humans are themselves and that it's a really, really important thing to master in order to develop rapport with people. So sometimes people are a little surprised as an introvert myself that I'm I'm so pro small talk, but It really is a very, very important thing to master.
Well tell us what make the case. Why is small talk important? If it's just small.
Yeah, right. I always talk about I talk about this in my book, about how small talk is is not really about the conversation. It's about signaling to the other person that you're not a threat to them. And this goes back to our caveman days. Like if person from another tribe like try to come in
To your village.
small talk is the way of of you both communicating that you're not a threat to each other. And I think it's still that way today when we go into work, being able to maximize those first few minutes of a Zoom call with a client when you're still waiting for your boss to get on.
that's like a really golden time for you to showcase your professionalism and your maturity and how capable and competent you are. And a lot of people think, oh well, small talk is just so cringy and I'm I'm just so much deeper than that. But it's you need to just get out of that mindset because it really doesn't do you any favors. So that's kind of like generally my advice is just to get out of mindsets that aren't doing you any favors and get into mindsets that are.
Yeah. I don't know who said it. Probably one of our guests. Well, we'll dig into the archives. That, you know, small talk leads to big talk. And and I think it's it's so true because if you went right for big talk,'cause I mean, I don't know, I'm in that ballpark too. It's like I don't care about the weather. I I mean it's w what are we doing? It it feels like almost silly and performative. And yet, if the opening question was like, so Pete, what's uh
What's the deepest fear you're wrestling with right now? Like, what? I don't who are you? Why would I tell you that out of the gate? You know, and so it's sort of like there needs to be some kind of a bridge or stairway between just meeting or silence and the really deep stuff that turns into a strong relationship.
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I I love that small talk turns into big talk. I think that's that's very, very true.
¶ Hyper-Helpful Scripts for Confidence
Well, and you've got some hyper helpful scripts for us in that situation and and dare your subtitle promise every situation. So could you share with us what's the big idea with your book, The Secret Language of Work?
Yeah, so the secret language of work was really birthed out of what My content is, you know, I started posting career advice online in twenty twenty one and it was mainly script based. I was helping people actually figure out the exact words to say in situations or at least giving them examples for inspiration.
I always was kind of frustrated with a lot of career advice. It felt very vague to me. Speak to your strengths, walk in your truth. And I'm like, what does that sound like though? I need examples. So I really wanted to write a book that democratized access to really high quality soft career advice.
And not only did that, but also gave people hyper helpful, like very, very helpful scripts and examples of what to say in certain scenarios, how exactly to network, you know, without being cringy or how to negotiate without accidentally being rude. Because a lot of us We we want to do things. We want to ask for a raise.
The only thing that's actually holding us back is the fear of coming off offensive or the fear of failure. Lots of fears. So I wanted to write a book that was designed to supercharge people's confidence by giving them the tools and the scripts to actually speak what they want into existence.
Oh, cool. Well, we love supercharging confidence over here, so uh we are we're in the right place. This is good news. Well, could you share with us perhaps a story of of someone who was kind of bumbling and unaware of the secret language of work, but then picked it up and and what kind of results that unlocked for them.
Just yesterday I got a DM from a a man at Wardau and he got a a dream offer and he really didn't want to rock the boat. He had never negotiated his salary before, but he did think that he was worth a little more and he was You know, he grew up in a household where his his parents had never negotiated and that that financial literacy aspect wasn't something that he was inherently taught.
And he said, I I read your book, I read the chapter, I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna try it. And he updated me this morning that he was able to negotiate a 10% increase. And that was just probably three minutes of using mouth sounds and it made cash appear instantly. And so that's the power I want people to understand is if you can just use your mouth sounds right. You can make cash appear out of thin air. So I have tons of stories. Yeah.
Mouth sounds. Well, yeah, uh that's that's you know, in a way that's kind of silly and flippant, but in other way it's Very accurate. Because I think we could overthink it, right? In terms of like, oh, we're gonna have to say just the right things. But then if I say this, he might say that. But then if I say this and but you're saying, you know what, their mouth sounds.
They're words and it's like no need to get all worked up about'em. But almost like sort of this ma well, the magic words for a a genie or or something.
¶ Mastering Salary Negotiation Like a Pro
Well so well, since we're on this example, what are the the mouth sounds or the magic words for yeah, I'd like uh you to pay me ten percent more?
Yeah, well, you know, every negotiation is unique. It's all gonna be a case by case basis and all of that. And that was something that always annoyed me when I would get career advice is people would say, Oh, well it depends. And it's like just give me an example. Just give me, you know, some inspiration. And so that's really what I try to do in the book.
And it's so important to stay aligned on your shared goal. The recruiter or whoever is negotiating the deal with you, they want to hire you. They have an incentive because their job is to get somebody in the role. The company needs somebody to do a job.
You can do the job, they offered it to you. So don't be scared. In the United States culture, negotiating your salary is a given. It's what they expect. You know, they rarely give you the best offer or the highest offer they can. And if they do, they oftentimes will say, That was this is the highest offer, by the way. Like we we can't go any higher.
Yeah, or y this is standardized across all of North America. It's kind of kinda what it is, you know.
Yeah, exactly. So it's always important to come in with a case. Three things. And AI can also be helpful too if you're struggling to think about like, I don't know the the three extra reasons. Just it's helpful to try and figure out what you bring to the table that maybe somebody else does.
I always say it's kinda like if you're you're looking at two pairs of jeans and everybody says, Oh, they're just gonna go with the cheaper candidate. And it's like, do you just always go with the cheaper jeans? No, you go with the jeans that look the best on you and they're the highest quality and they're the best value for what you're getting.
So it's kind of important to productize yourself, which sounds odd, but to go to them and say, Hey, I really want to make this work. I want to sign this paperwork today. In order to do that, here's the salary that I'm looking for. And here's here are the three reasons why I bring this additional value to the role.
So it's really important to remember that I always say it's not personal, it's just professional. This is just a business transaction. You're gonna provide a service to them and they're gonna pay you. And a a mindset shift that people find really helpful is I like to think about myself as like a vendor or a freelancer and I'm not necessarily like begging for this job.
But rather I bring a certain specialty and skill set to the company and I'm going to alleviate problems and I'm going to use my professional skill to improve the company and to provide value. And they're going to pay you. And so you're just negotiating what this proper rate is. Everything's made up. The uh salaries are changing all the time. Do your research, but also make sure that you are getting paid what you think that you're worth and
You'd be surprised how well uh a negotiation can work. It's just a few minutes of awkwardness for, like I said, cold hard cash.
Yeah. Well, that was a hyper helpful script in in terms of I want to sign this paperwork today, and here is really what uh you know would do the trick for me. As I'm hearing it. It doesn't feel rude. It's like it's funny. If as I'm putting myself in the role of the recruiter there, is like I'm excited, oh, she wants to sign today. Good news. And I'm already predisposed to want to be able to say yes. And then
I'll probably either give it to you if I can, or you just be be really clear about what why I can't. And and then I but I think that's a good feeling to know. That you explore that rock. You know, okay, well, I tried and this is I they I believe them when they said that's the highest they can go. That's cool. Okay.
Okay. Yeah, and there are other things you can always negotiate besides salary too. If they can't go higher in salary, maybe they can do a higher four one K match or more PTO days or remote flexible Fridays. So it's just always important to to just see what you can get.
¶ Setting Boundaries Professionally
Yeah, that's very nice. Well, so w we're gonna maybe dig into all kinds of little hyper helpful scripts in particular situations. But I'd love to know are are there a few of your Favorites go to is like, oh, this is a handy script that is useful in many situations.
Something that I help people with a lot is setting boundaries, which is it's tough, you know, when you're working and especially in an economy like this where it's really an employer's market. You know, you don't want to rot the boat at the same time. It's really important to set boundaries.
for yourself. It's not other people's responsibility to set your boundaries. People will generally take what they can get from you. So it's important to show people what they can't expect from you and what they can't expect from you. So it's important to learn how to say no in professional ways. And something I love is, oh, I'm currently at capacity. So let me give you an example. So say your boss is just throwing things on your plate.
Instead of getting bitter and frustrated at your boss, oh, why don't they understand that they're overloading me, they're stressing me out, I'm I'm drowning as it is. First of all, give everybody the benefit of the doubt. Your boss's job isn't to
micromanage everything you do. They're not inside your brain. Their job is to do your job and your job is to do your job. So you have to communicate with them. And so let's say they put yet another thing on your plate and you're like, I just I I can't do this. Instead of going to your boss and saying, I'm overwhelmed, I'm stressed out, I can't do this all.
That's just giving them another problem. And every manager hates that. Instead, you always want to come to your boss with solutions. So you want to say, hey, I noticed that you gave me another task today. I currently focus on this task. Which would you like me to prioritize?
And then you're giving them, oh, huh, which client is more important? Which one can we shift? Which one can we move to Monday? You're giving them something to work with. So saying I'm currently a capacity with client A's presentation.
I know that you want me to focus on client B. Which one would you like me to prioritize today? And which one would you like me to postpone to Monday? And that way, that is like music to a manager's ears because then they have something to work with and they're not just dealing with your stress and your problems, but you're providing them a potential solution.
Well, and that uh it sounds very nice when you say it. Good job. I guess I I my nightmare or my f we talk about fear at the beginning. is h I always fear a response that's very
Or mean, you know, along the lines of like, Well, Aaron, we expect you to be able to walk at you come at the same time here. It's like, Well, you know, hey, Aaron, actually both of those are critical, so make'em both happen and don't whine to me about this. So anyway, I feel like that's a bit more edgy than the vast majority of managers will communicate, but they may well convey something along those lines in a more diplomatic, professional way.
So what do you what do you think about that in terms of one, can you deflate my fears like that happens almost never? Or two, do you have the the follow-up for when they're pushing back on your pushback?
Yes, absolutely. This is something that people actually like about my videos is that I was offer a pushback. I actually just posted this or filmed video about this today.
Because, yeah.
On the internet in a video, a perfect script is going to get the job done. But in reality, when you're working with a difficult boss who does tell you, hey, I need you to prioritize both. That does happen. And obviously I recommend that you don't work with a boss like that, but we can't always control who we work for. We can't just quit our jobs since we don't like our boss. We're gonna have to work with people that we don't like constantly. So if your boss does push back,
Again, don't make it personal, keep it professional. I always recommend when people are coming to their boss with like a complaint or an issue that they reframe a personal problem as a professional concern. So instead of saying, I'm personally so overwhelmed.
All they're hearing is you're not competent, you can't get it done. A bad boss, a good boss will work with it, but a bad boss is just hearing they're not competent. Instead you want to turn it into a professional concern. Hey, I know client A is a really, really important client. And I really want to make sure that we get this report done right and on time. I have this much capacity today, and I want to make sure that we have time for both.
So can you work with me to figure out a solution here to make sure that we can get both reports out the door? Again, align your goals. Always be aligning your goals. The boss wants the reports out the door. You also want the reports out the door, but you it's impossible right now to get that done as is. So you wanna come to them and say, our goals are aligned here, but the strategies the the car is broken down. It's not gonna work.
And then present them with a solution. James has a lighter workload today. Would you mind if I gave him the remainder of project A so I could just focus on cl on project B? And maybe give them like a worse second option or something like that. Just give them options.
Or I could just have AI generate it.
Gosh, really. Don't do that. And you can relieve that mental load from your boss and actually get what you want. So that that's the sacred language of work.
¶ Strategic Communication and Diplomacy
Page of my book, I talk about the desired outcome. So is your desired outcome from this conversation your boss understanding that you're stressed? No, your desired outcome is working on one thing at a time. Yeah. So always keep uh the first thing, the first thing, and yeah, keep those goals aligned.
Y yeah. Well as if I may, we'll we'll keep the pushback going in terms of it's like, well, I I Aaron, I think that uh both of these are possible so long as you just crank at it uh till midnight. What's the problem?
I could certainly crank it out until midnight, but that doesn't solve the problem of these reports being done on time and with quality. You know, unfortunately I'm only one person and we do need two people on this or we need to w rework the deadline. It's not possible. People are oftentimes tempted to say, well, why stop work at five? It sounds great in an internet video, sounds awesome.
Stick it to the man, you know, those videos always go viral, but it doesn't work in real life. So I try to give like very realistic advice. And again, it always goes back to that desired outcome, aligning your goals and talking about workflows and solutions. And yes, when it does come to time based activities, like that can be really tricky. Like if your boss is just like you need to stay late.
Remember that that's not a sustainable solution. So like sometimes yeah, you might need to stay late at work. You might need to get something done. I'm like very pro working hard. I I'm not anti working hard. I think people should prove themselves at work, but I also believe in working smart. And working a long time doesn't necessarily mean that you're working hard or working smart. It just means that you're working a long time. So it's always important to collaborate with your boss.
I like to have things in writing too, like send them an email and be like, these are all the things that need to get done in the next 12 hours. Even if I stay working until midnight, that's not gonna happen. So again, just working with them, keeping it positive, keeping it solution oriented.
Well yeah, and and I like that frame associated with uh and uh you didn't say it explicitly, but what I'm hearing, and and maybe you could f highlight it explicitly, is the notion that Quality is likely to suffer if you are cranking at it at nine, ten, eleven PM. And I I think that we could all just appreciate that that is true of the human biological entity. straight up. That just that just is.
Yeah, it's important to remember your boss wants to look good to their boss. and you messing up a client report because you ran out of time, that doesn't make them look at their boss. So always think about what they're looking for and how you can align your goals.
And I think w even to that notion of the sustainab and highlighting the burnout or sustainability piece. I think it really does give rise to all kinds of other creative solutions. Like it's like, okay, maybe you can work it till midnight and then you're gonna go ahead and take tomorrow off. And like that's reasonable and that there are times when that is 100% cool with the manager, like, yeah, please go for it. And you and you have the chat, you gotta go win win there.
Yeah, I mean you can't fix a bad manager. Like the only solution is to get away people don't change. You just have to get away from them. But you're totally right. That's another solution that you could offer. Hey, yeah, I could stay until 2 a.m. tonight, get it out the door. I'm willing to put in that extra work because I have this goal of becoming a director in 12 months. Like always remind them of like what your goal is, like speak it into existence is something I talk about.
I'm willing to put in this extra effort because I want this goal or promotion. However, I'd really appreciate being able to come in at noon tomorrow as a way of catching up on sleep or you know something like that. Always offer different solutions.
Yeah, framing it in terms of the the goal, the objective, what they want is is fabulous. One of my favorite quotes, don't know where it came from, was Diplomacy is the art of letting other people have it your way. I think that's kind of what we're doing here is you're always speaking about it in in the terms that they care about.
Exactly.
¶ Eliminating Disempowering Language
Okay. Well, so we talked about some favorite words. How about some least favorite words? Anything you think just needs to go?
Yeah, as far as phrases like to remove from your vocabulary. There's always well first of all, there's always the the fillers, which I intentionally use, by the way, just like um in the book I talk about them as language softeners, because as a woman, if I tend to speak the way I feel most comfortable, which is like
more blunt and plain, people tend to not like me very much. So I d I use fillers uh intentionally, which people are always really interested to hear about, because I'm probably one of the only communication experts out there that is not telling you to tone it down. Now, some people certainly need to tone it down. But I'm not a hater of of fillers in general, especially in conversations like this. It's you don't wanna sound too robotic.
But a phrase that I think is really helpful to get rid of in a professional and personal setting is the phrase I don't have time. I boss I didn't have time to do this. I don't have time for that. People just really don't like hearing that you don't have time. And it's also not helpful to you because there's no such thing as not having time for something. There's not making it a priority. And you can't make everything a priority. And that's just that.
And this is really, really helpful for people on an individual level because When you say I don't have time, you're taking your power away from yourself. You're saying I'm not the driver's seat in my own life. I don't have time for anything. I'm flustered. I'm flailing. I'm all over the place. But when you say, I don't have the ability to make this a priority right now, you're putting yourself back in a place of power. And you're saying, I have control over my life. I can control over my days.
I'm not in a position to make this, you know, make this a priority right now. And maybe that's updating your portfolio or cooking homemade meals. It's totally fine if sometimes you don't have the ability to make everything a priority. So I'm really a a fan of using language that empowers yourself, even when it's way more fun sometimes. to use language that disempowers yourself and and lets you be a victim. I'm typically a a fan of putting yourself back in the driver's seat, even when it's hard.
Yeah, I I hear you. I don't have time is fall. fundamentally I guess it's almost like the phrase I have to or you have to. It's like it's incomplete and on its own fault. But it means I don't have time relative to, I don't have time to do this. In addition to the things that I'm super duper committed to and and unwilling to to give up, or which is the same thing as saying it's not a priority. And likewise, I have to or you have to
is false on its own, but is only true in some context. You have to do this in order to achieve a particular result subject to some particular, you know, constraints and commitments. So but that's a lot of words.
Yeah. Yeah.
¶ Playing Chess in Career Moves
Okay. Well, tell us any other super favorite transformational language shifts that we gotta highlight here.
One of the things that I talk about in the book, kinda like these basic fundamental idea is Strategic communication is all about playing chess and not checkers. So going back to the idea of emotional regulation. There are things that you'll want to say in the moment. Things that your gut is telling you to say, that you're you feel compelled to say. It's impulsive.
And a lot of the times it's really true and really right. And you're like totally fine for saying that. Like boss, you suck. Like your boss might suck. I I totally agree. However, it's always important to remember what your goals are. So a great example is when you're quitting your job. A lot of people, especially if you've been working for a bad boss, which is unfortunate.
want to tell off their boss. And it totally makes sense that you want to tell off your boss. That's what you do in your personal life. Somebody's being rude to you or disrespecting you. It makes sense. There is a way to do this though that stings so much more and protects you from the r negative repercussions. And that's playing chess and not checkers. So playing checkers would be
I'm quitting. You're the worst boss ever. I hate working here. You suck. I hope I never see you again. Hey, that's all true, fine and dandy. That's all of power to you. You're expressing your emotions. doesn't benefit you because five minutes after you walk out of their office, that will that stink will follow you. And
You'd be surprised how small the world is. And I'm not saying that you need to get your boss to love you, but I'm saying that there is a professional way to leave your job. You can say, Hey, I'm putting in my two weeks today. Thank you so much for my time here. I would love to provide feedback if if possible. If not, that's fine. But uh, you know, April 6th would be my last day.
Just keep it short and sweet and then you can provide professional feedback, whether that's to HR or in an exit interview. And that is so much more painful than effective because they're doing it in a professional way. So they're not getting distracted by your personal emotions, but rather it's professional feedback.
And you can go to a glass store and you can scream in a pillow and and go to kickboxing classes and get it out in a healthy way. I always recommend getting out your emotions in a healthy way and expressing them, but do it in a way that benefits you and doesn't accidentally back backfire and hurt you down the line.
And so the book is very, very much about how can you strategically use your words to get what you want, maybe in a way that seems counterintuitive at first, but over the course of time will pay off.
Yeah, I think that's a nice distinction there. It's like you're a human being who has emotions and those emotions have validity. And it is often helpful and beneficial to have those emotions expressed somehow.
Yes.
And yet, often in the workplace about the thing that you're mad about is not quite what's gonna give you the optimal result.
Exactly. Yes.
¶ The Golden Rule of Self-Talk
Very nice. Okay. Well, do you have any final pro tips on sounding more confident?
Something I I talk about a lot is this idea of the person that you talk to the most is actually yourself. So a lot of people focus on external communication. How can I communicate better with my coworkers and my boss and recruiters and all this stuff? And that's great. But none of it really sticks the landing unless you already have a good relationship with yourself. So the person that we talk to most is ourselves. So the way that you talk to yourself really matters.
And we all tend to have this internal dialogue that's hypercritical, not very positive, and it takes work to kind of train yourself out of that. And so something I always say is to be your own best friend. Next time you mess up at work and you say, Oh my gosh, I'm such an idiot. I'm always messing things up. I don't deserve to be here. Everybody's gonna figure out I'm such a fraud and a failure, pretend your friend is saying that.
And how would you respond to them? You'd say, you're not a failure, you're not an imposter, you just you messed up a spreadsheet. It's really not a big deal. Just go in and fix it. Let your boss know and move on with your day. Like kind of get used to like talking to yourself inside your head. It sounds neurotic and nuts, but once you get in the habit of doing it, you become very, very kind.
Yourself, but you also become stronger because you're able to deal with obstacles and issues and challenges much better. You're able to overcome things much, much quicker. So before talking to anybody else, this is how I open up a book, is you need to first figure out how you're talking to yourself. and make that into a healthier conversation and dialogue. And it takes a little bit of work at first, but over the course of time it becomes much, much easier. And then
You treat others how we tend to treat ourselves. So you tend to treat others with more kindness and empathy and dignity. And that gets you so far. I always say, like manners go so far. You'd be shocked. And how many people come into an interview and don't even say thank you at the end. I don't know if it's because they were never trained to or because they're entitled or maybe they just forgot and that happens too, but just saying thank you, please.
I really appreciate that. Like just these little tiny things can go so, so, so far. So the devil is really in the details. But yeah, my overarching advice is that if you're looking to improve your communication with other people, first improve your communication with yourself.
And I like that a lot. Well, it talked about the golden rule fundamentally. Treat others the way you'd like to be treated in terms of like how are you treating yourself? And so it's often the case that we are much more vicious to ourselves than we would ever be to a third party. And I'm right with you, I felt that recently actually. I've had some conversations with myself.
in in terms of like I you know, I maybe I'm disappointed that I wasn't able to take care of business, you know, in a couple of days. But to to be able to just like, hey, you know what, Pete, it's actually been it's been a pretty hard couple of weeks here. You know, they they cut down my beautiful forest view.
To make a some a new house, which is not yeah, not fun. I'm listening to the beep beep beep of the the construction machines. You know, I'm sick. You know, like so it's a number of things. And so it's like so it's Kinda makes sense that uh it's not your most uber productive day in the record books, given the context you you find yourself in. And so in a way, it feels silly to speak to yourself in that way and yet It's very soothing.
It's almost like a sweet, motherly word of encouragement to your four-year-old self. And I was like, you know, you know what? That's right.
Okay.
Another day. So
¶ Practicing Affirmations and Fear Setting
Any pro tips on if if we're feeling some awkwardness there or we're not accustomed to engaging ourselves in this sort of a kind conversation? How do we kind of get more in that groove?
That's a really great question'cause it's actually a lot harder than people realize. It's hard to catch yourself in the moment when you're in this twenty four seven habit of being so self critical and so hard on yourself. So I recommend this proactive approach where every morning
when you're brushing your teeth, just look in the mirror and be like, just just think. I'm gonna have a great day. Like I'm I'm really good at my job. Like people like me. People like working with me. Those affirmations sound really silly. And a lot of people would kind of you know roll their eyes at that and scoff.
However, they're really effective on a neurological basis. And I think if you can just look in the mirror, say three things, you know, I'm gonna have a good day, people love working with me, I'm gonna crush this project. Like you can get specific about it too. It will turn into a habit. Yeah. Just slowly over time. And at first it'll feel really weird. Sometimes when I encourage people to do that, they say, I'm not doing it.
And it makes me really sad because in that moment I'm like, oh my gosh, you are so mean to yourself that you can't even be nice to yourself for a five seconds. And it's very, very sad to me. And I just say, what happened to you where you feel like you can't be kind to yourself? It's tough. People grew up in really rough households and really rough childhoods and they they learned that the only way to survive is to hate themselves. And so things can get pretty deep pretty quick sometimes.
Yeah, you're right. Well and you what happened to you, I'm thinking about the book that that Oprah co wrote there, which was a good one. And it's intriguing. It it's sort of not that Speaking from my own experience, not that we're incapable of that. Like, yeah, I c I can say the words in the mirror, sure. It's just that I feel kind of weird and silly and awkward doing so.
And what's interesting about that is well, one, I think that's the case for all conversation, is like, well, if you've never done it before, everything feels weird and silly and awkward the first time you do it, just straight up as as a fact of learning and how that works. But secondly. I find it encouraging that the affirmations you spoke, we had Hal Elrod on the show talking about, you know, make your affirmations truthful.
i in terms of like like money flows to me effortlessly it's like no it really doesn't actually I can't really have to hustle. So I I think what's one of my latest affirmations, which I I I find it it's like it's really true. And I actually assembled the evidence for it. I wrote it down. Because sometimes I can get in like a negative loop is that, and this is just objectively true, sometimes things work out better than you expect.
Yep. What's the best that could happen?
Yeah. Because you know, something I was like, Oh, it's gonna be a lot of effort. It's not even gonna turn into anything anyway. I don't feel like it. I don't wanna bother, blah. It was like, okay, yeah, maybe. But also what is true is sometimes things work out better than you expect. And hey, what do you know? I've written down a dozen examples and I found that quite encouraging lately.
So I think that's kind of the sweet spot for affirmations. It's not the was it Gordon smiley or I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, a dog on it, people like me. But rather, hey, here's something that is true. And when I bring that back to the forefront of my awareness. It provides encouragement.
Yeah, I I love that realistic approach so much. I have a big day today. I have a big calendar. I'm feeling really overwhelmed. And I think that I'm really capable of getting this done. You know, it kind of reminds me a little bit of Tim Ferris. We've all heard of goal setting when you set goals for your life. And he has this whole idea where you practice fear setting. So you actually write out all of your biggest fears. So if you try to start your own company.
What's the worst that could happen? And then you work your way backwards from there to be like, okay, well I I go into debt. And then you talk about how you would rectify like the situation. And I think that that's really effective. And I think that if you can just work through it and be really realistic with yourself, like
I had this big presentation today. I think it's gonna go great'cause I'm super capable. And if it doesn't, here's what I'm gonna do. I think that's really, really effective. I I like to give as realistic of advice as possible. So I I really enjoyed what you said.
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¶ Rapid Fire Wisdom and Finding Your Fit
Oh thank you. Well now let's hear a rapid fire about some of your favorite things. Could we hear about a favorite quote?
Yeah, you know, I I was just thinking, don't get mad, get curious. I don't always say that. I usually say my my favorite piece of career advice, but from our conversation today, I think that's something that these listeners might need to hear is You know, when you're feeling angry at work, don't get mad, get curious. You know, how did we end up here? What happened to my boss's childhood that's making the Mac this way? It's kind of a good general rule of thumb.
Yeah. And a favorite study or experiment or bit of research?
So I think it was in the nineteen nineties there was a study that found a phenomenon called the liking gap. And it talks about how they found that when people exit a conversation, the people who you left, the group you left, tend to rate you way more favorably than you think it went. Like consistently across the board, people actually tend to like you more than you think that they liked you.
And I encourage anybody listening, go go read the study, go watch a YouTube video about it. I think it's absolutely fascinating because there are a lot of interesting studies out there, but I don't hear people talk about the liking gap very often. And it can be very, very validating if you're somebody who's socially anxious.
Yeah. And a favorite book?
I used to say the alchemist. Mm-hmm. I feel like a lot of people say the alchemist though, so I am going to also say, Never split the difference by Chris Foss, if you've never yeah, I I feel like everybody kind of you know loves that book now, but it is truly the Bible on negotiating and I I think Chris is a great reader on the audiobook. He gives great stories. I think it's just a well-structured and well written book.
He is a great reader on the audiobook. He was on the show. And just the way he says salsa red pearl. Like, I gotta have that truck. It's like I I ever th I think of whoever I see a red truck, I think of Chris Voss. I mean, it's he he makes an impression. And a favorite tool. Something you use to be awesome at your job.
Oh, I'm using a lot of tools now. I'm of course using Claude Cowork. I absolutely love Claude Co-work. I think when you learn how to prompt things correctly, it's very helpful. Where people run into issues with AI is that they don't put in the effort to learn how to prompt correctly. So if anybody's listening to this, Watch some YouTube videos, learn how to improve your prompts, and you would be shocked at what a great sidekick something like clock cover can be. Mm-hmm.
And if you ever have it?
I drink a ton of water every morning. I'm not even kidding. I think drinking water is like a really great piece of career advice. Like you you people in the afternoon, you know, they think they need that second cup of coffee, that two PM coffee. You don't. You're dehydrated. You need water. Go drink a ton of water and if you still feel like you need the coffee, then drink the coffee. Okay?
Okay. And is there a key nugget you share that folks really dig? They quote it back to you often.
I always say no one knows what they're doing. People love it. Some people get really upset. They're like, Don't say that doctors know what they're doing. And I'm like, Of course they know what they're doing. Of course professionals know how to do their craft. But when you really zoom out Everybody's winging it. Everybody's making it up as they go along. Nobody predicted COVID. Like nobody knows what tomorrow brings. Economists are wrong all the time.
Yeah.
You just... Everything is figure outable.
The tech bros hype their things and most of them don't do the vision they portray. All these TV shows get cancelled. Well, shouldn't the execs know what shows are gonna be a hit? No, they can't do it.
They do not know. I know from experience.
And if folks want to learn more, get in touch, where'd you point them?
Yes, follow me on Instagram at advice with Aaron. You can sign up for my newsletter, hyperhelpful.com, which is a fun weekly newsletter that I write to supercharge your career. Of course I have my book, The Secret Language of Work, and I have a new app out called Stupid Fish. Which is extremely helpful. We have about thirty to forty, maybe even fifty thousand users actually today in our first week. So yeah definitely go down stupid fish
All right. And your final challenge or call to action for folks looking to be awesome at the jobs?
Find the job that you enjoy doing. It's much, much easier to work hard at something when you're having fun. I think people who are having fun always tend to win in the end. So find the job that you're the best fit for. Naturally. It's out there. I know it is. There are new jobs being invented every single day. 60% of the jobs people have today didn't exist 80 years ago. So go go find your best fit.
Beautiful. Aaron, thank you.
Thank you so much for having me.
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I love so much of what Aaron has to say about talking to yourself first and doing so like a best friend. And if you've never done this before, it really can feel weird and awkward and silly and like childish or or off, but Wow, it is so soothing, and I encourage if you're feeling into that weirdness, that awkwardness, to try to push through it, have a real friendly, kind, heart to heart best friend chat with yourself and you may discover, hmm.
This is definitely a practice worth repeating. Great stuff from Aaron. If you want to check out the show notes or the transcript or the links to items that we've referenced, please drop on by awesome at your job.com slash EP1159. Hope to catch you next time and peace.
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