79 - DeSizing the Church - Karl Vaters
Karl Vaters joins Tom and Sean to talk about his new book De-Sizing the Church and how our obsession with bigness is hurting our witness.

Karl Vaters joins Tom and Sean to talk about his new book De-Sizing the Church and how our obsession with bigness is hurting our witness.
Dr. Dan Borg, Regional Director for PIR Ministries joins Tom and Sean to talk about how pastors can help one another grow as preachers with a new initiative he calls Preacher to Preacher.
Tim Young, PIR Regional Director, joins Tom and Sean to share his framework for working through the wilderness places in ministry.
Chuck DeGroat joins Sean to talk about what an associate pastor should do if they find themselves serving under a narcissistic leader.
Tom and Sean talk about how to form a discernment group to help you get "unstuck" or to clarify your way forward. Learn how discerning God's will as a group can be a hope giving experience.
Pastor David Henderson joins Tom and Sean to talk about how pastors and churches can maintain a spirit of love in the face of anger, bitterness, fear, and contentious times.
Karl Vaters joins Tom and Sean to talk about his sabbatical experience. Karl worked with Sean to plan his sabbatical and he shares what that was like and how it helped his whole sabbatical. For more on Karl Vaters' sabbatical listen to this episode on The Church Lobby Podcast: Ep 055: What I Learned By Taking A Sabbatical, with Karl Vaters https://megaphone.link/CHRTDY1587100718
PIR Executive Director Roy Yanke joins Tom once again to help interview Sean about part 3 of The Weary Leader's Guide to Burnout. This discussion centers around the spiritual practices of lament, surrender, and abiding in God's love as the keys to the transformation into being a burnout-proof leader. They guys also discuss the characteristics of a healthy Christian leader and the importance of practicing Sabbath and forming a Rule of Life.
Tom, Sean, and PIR Executive Director Roy Yankee discuss part two of The Weary Leader's Guide to Burnout. They cover the necessary steps to recover from burnout and develop resilience and discuss the theological heart of the book - what it means to be in Christ. To learn more, or preorder a copy of the book visit wearyleadersguide.com
PIR Executive Director, Roy Yanke, joins Tom and Sean to talk in more detail about the first part of The Weary Leader's Guide to Burnout. This section of Sean's new book asks "What is burnout and what causes it?"
In this episode, Tom and Sean introduce Sean's new book The Weary Leader's Guide to Burnout: A Journey from Exhaustion to Wholeness . This first of four episodes on the book, gives an overarching view of the book and Sean's story of burnout. In the next three episodes, the guys will be joined by PIR Executive Director, Roy Yanke, to explore each section of the book in more detail. You can learn more about the book at wearyleadersguide.com...
Roy Yanke, Executive Director of PIR Ministries, was a guest on the Conversations Podcast provided by the Center for Thriving Leaders sponsored by Grace Theological Seminary. They have graciously allowed us to share that interview with our listeners.
Monty Harrington joins Tom and Sean to talk about the aftermath of forced exit because of a new lead pastor. Monty, the events coordinator for Renovare, shares a little about the Renovare Pastor's Retreat in Colorado Springs.
Pastor and Author Chris Davis joins the guys to talk about his new book Bright Hope for Tomorrow , an in-depth look at how the return of Christ gives us hope and strength for today. We also talk about how pastors can combat isolation and loneliness in ministry.
Joe Chambers and Jeremy Frye join Tom and Sean to talk about their Sacred Journey Retreats and how they bless ministry families. These free retreats are offered every year and focus on learning to rest in our belovedness in Christ. Show notes will be available on hoperenewedpodcast.com
Bivocational pastor, Cedrick Barrett, joins Tom and Sean to talk about how clergy coaching has helped him navigate the challenges of life and ministry.
Author Kelly Kapic joins Tom and Sean to discuss his new book Your Only Human. If you are continually driven to do more or try harder but end up feeling exhausted, guilty, or ashamed, this conversation is for you. Learn how your limits are part of God's good creation.
Kim and Rob Hock join Tom and Sean to talk about how they found hope in the darkest times in ministry. Kim shares about her counseling ministry and how she is using story work to help men and women heal. She also conducts group retreats. You can learn more about Kim Hock's counseling and retreats at her website .
In this short-form episode, we listen to a clip from episode 1 as Roy Yanke discusses the need for margin and rhythms of work and rest. Then in our preview of episode 62, Kim Hock talks about how the darkest times in ministry don't have to be so dark.
Brad Hoefs, founder of Fresh Hope for Mental Health joins the guys to talk about how pastors can find help for their mental health needs. Brad speaks of his own battle with being bipolar and shares how his painful story has become a source of healing for many pastors. In this episode, pastors will find Fresh Hope for their struggles.
This is our first short-form episode. We start with a clip from Episode 25 where Steve Cuss talks about Leadership Anxiety. Next Sean shares a practice called BEATS that can help reduce anxiety and improve your mental health. The episode ends with a preview of Episode 61 - our interview with Brad Hoefs, founder of Fresh Hope for Mental Health ....
Tom and Sean share what's new for the upcoming season of Hope Renewed. They introduce a new theme song and thank Joe Chambers for his excellent voice-over for the intro and outro. They also introduce some changes to the format and a new podcast website— hoperenewedpodcast.com.
This 3-minute trailer describes what the Hope Renewed podcast is all about and who would benefit from listening. Check it out or visit the Hope Renewed Podcast website to learn more.
In this episode we continue our conversation focusing on the core process of PIR Ministries, the Pastor in Residence Process. This restorative and hope-giving tool was created by PIR founder Dr. Chuck Wickman as a means by which a pastor exited from ministry can experience biblical restoration and healing in the context of the local church, and move forward with confidence in the call which God has given. In this second episode we highlight the experience of engaging in the PiR process from a pa...
At the heart of PIR Ministries is the "Pastor in Residence Process". This restorative and hope-giving tool was created by PIR founder Dr. Chuck Wickman as a means by which a pastor exited from ministry can experience biblical restoration and healing in the context of the local church, and move forward with confidence in the call which God has given. This episode is the first of two focusing on our core ministry and highlights the work of the Refuge Church Support Team. We're pleased to have talk...
We sit down with Pastor Jerry Troyer to talk about the challenges of finding resources and support for ministry in rural churches. Jerry a life-long rural pastor, created a means of encouraging, connecting, and equipping ministry leaders in rural contexts called Rural Shepherdology . Jerry's commitment is to provide help and hope to those who face the unique world of rural ministry. Resource Rural Shepherdology...
Ministry in an urban context will always have its unique challenges. Add to that the heightened tensions and pressures of recent days and Urban Ministry can rob even the most stalwart of pastors of joy, strength and hope. But God's heart for the city cannot be abandoned or ignored, by any of us. Pastor and Church Planter Tyler St. Clair joins us for an extremely important conversation from the heart of that context and shares words of encouragement that flow from the hope of the Gospel. RESOURCE...
Challenge. Change. Conflict. Sabotage. Whatever you may call it, the critical times of growth in ministry demand a set of leadership skills that aren't taught in seminary or come naturally. "Faith leaders are mostly trained to be teachers and chaplains, but a rapidly-changing, continually-disruptive world requires that they also become skilled at leading change when there are few best practices. Many leaders are growing frustrated and losing heart." This is the conviction that pastor, author and...
Navigating pastoral transitions is challenging even in the best of circumstances. Having perspective, guidance, encouragement and help can make all the difference in not only where you're going, but how well you'll get there. In this episode of Hope Renewed , Matt Steen of PIR ministry partner Chemistry Staffing sits down with us to talk about the realities of pastoral transition and how to best find your way through them. RESOURCES Chemistry Staffing Website...
Whether you like it or not, social media is a reality of the world in which we live, and therefore a reality of ministry. How can a pastor appropriately navigate the presence and use of social media? What are the pitfalls and benefits? Join us as we talk with pastor, evangelist and writer Doug Bursch who shares a unique and helpful perspective on how pastors can interact with social media and the possibility of introducing a redemptive light in what can be a dark and hurtful world. Resources Dou...