It's pricking in insecurity and I know that. And we've, we've shared 10 years of that journey, right? It's not any easier to bring up and it's actually something I wanna keep talking about because I don't know how to support you in this way. This is actually something I don't know how to support you in, but I really do want to welcome guys. To Honey, we need to chat. Yeah, the podcast where we believe communication is important. Very important.
And that when communication dies, bad things happen. Yeah, yeah. What Danny Guy song do you have in your head currently? I'm a robot singing robot. I had a different one, but now you start singing that now. But Danny Go is on repeat. Yeah, it's the only show that our baby will sit still. For every other show, he kind of just loses interest really quickly. But Danny go, he just sits there and mesmerised. So it's been the soundtrack of our week.
I wish we had a show that our feline no not. Feeling OK? 9 canine child would sit still. Too well, she sits still. She just also, she's everything. And he's not sitting still right now. Right now she's confused why she can't have cuddles up on us as she normally. Would think some in her seat. She's being very gracious, letting you sit. There. Thank you, Madam. Also, we got new uniforms. Hey, yeah. Blank hoodies. No brand. No brand hoodies. Thank you, Kmart.
Thank you, Kmart. I guess they are a brand. Yeah, they're just not super visible. What brand? But yes, we you'll see a lot of plain coloured hoodies appearing in the next few weeks slash for the next rest of the year, let's be honest. Hopefully without gravy stains this time. Grabby signs adds character. Yeah, well, it definitely adds clickbait. Hello. Not even that. Maybe engagement of people being like, what's on his shirt. Do they? No, no. But I hope they do.
One can wish. Anyway, welcome to this week. We're going to be diving into some Reddit conversations, Reddit stories. But before we do that, we're going to break some ice. I am probably an 8 but I feel very foggy yeah coming into this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am Arkansas 7:00 because of the fog. You feeling foggy day? Yeah, feeling tired? Yeah. But be good, feeling good but tired. And the tiredness is getting me to A7. Gotta wake up and shake up. Wake up and shake up.
Alright cool. So Cha Cha has been opened and the question that's come out of the Cha Cha is if we could instantly learn one skill or hobby together, what would it be? Ohk that's a really good question. Hmm, I reckon dancing. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Cause then we could do that together in so many different contexts. Like which contexts? TikTok Dancing with the Stars dance when we get famous enough to be invited. For me, the skill or hobby as my mind is going too practical.
I'm like man, like I would like to take like what is to both take up jet skiing or not jet skiing, wakeboarding, but we need a boat and a wakeboard and it's costing much money. I'm like, what about skiing? And same thing, we need stuff for the cost. Too much money. Do you reckon we would get the most enjoyment out of a hobby like that though? Like that's why I was thinking something like dancing, so like applicable to so many instances.
This is the thing you say. You say that and I'm I still question. Tick Dutch, I heard. He answered. That's one instance, you know, I reckon skills or hobbies. I think the skill of I was gonna be sarcastic and the skill of doing a podcast. That would be handy. Oh man, come out like. What about marketing? Just instantly amazing and marketing. Yeah, PR. One certainly if hobby. Crochet. That's it. I'm not gonna crochet. I wish we could both be awesome at crochet.
Is this just? Very legit because yeah, yeah, Remember I told you I've knitted before I watch. You do crochet. I don't have the motivation to learn crochet. I'm like, you know, when we sit down and watch TV or a movie or something, I have to do something, right? And I've been playing that, like colouring in game on the iPad. Yeah, that I need that. But I don't want to do that when they cough and crochet. I wanna do crochet well, but I don't want to do.
Bonnie is really not wanting to just relax. She's just all over the place. Tonight she ate our baby's dummy, which he doesn't use. He just found today and he used it and he used it today. Dude, come on. We also had comments that you weren't visible last week. Relaxed, gone. So you're making up for it today. Look at her little head in the corner. If you can't see her because you're listening, you should hop on onto YouTube. Get some dog. Onto the tube. Dog loving video OK. What?
What did you want to do for a job when you were little? Well, I've actually spoken extensively about what? I've learned drama. Oh, that's the only thing I wanted to that literally the only thing I ever want to say any. I mean, there was a time where I was reading a book series and every it was like, I think it was like 7 kids in this family, adult kids and each one had a different crazy job. So as one was a cop like, but not just a cop, it was like a homicide investigator or
something like that. One was an paramedic, paramedic, one was a paramedic, paramedic, paramedic, paramedic. One was a paramedic, one was like a an author. Like all those things. Every book I read, I wanted to do the thing of the person I was reading the book of. But I thought you wanted to become an author too. I think you want to write books and. Stuff, yeah. I mean, I've always anything creative, like making movies, acting, being a singer, songwriter, being a musician, writing a book.
Anything creative like that I've had a moment of wanting to do, but there's nothing that I was like, actually this is exactly what I want, like acting. Have also wanted to be an actor and an author. Well, here we are. What? This is all a show, living at our dreams, worried at all acting and I told. Them all the stuff, yeah. Yeah. Come up with a whole story and everything. I started writing it. I think I've got 3 words and I'm. Like classic, this isn't for me.
Yeah, well, this, there's a few things like that in our past that we've had the same interest, which is weird because we're such different people and we've discovered it every time. One being that we both played bass guitar, bass guitar, bass clarinet, Yeah. Which is so random, yeah. Yeah, I didn't know that. I did not do that. That's right. Cause I did.
I was in like music class and I think I know I started with keyboard and everywhere in music class everyone wanted the keyboard and by the time I got to an instrument that like was left it was the base. Current Well, I play bass clarinet all through high school, so I was a little more accomplished, but I am very proud that we've we played the same clarinet now. I didn't own one ever. Yeah, so I did. You you owned a bass clarinet? Think so. I think your bold face lying
right now. Where's the bass clarinet? Bold face lying. Alright, well, that's great. I think I did. I think I owned it but. You maybe you rented it like I did from school, I don't remember. They're very expensive, like $5000. Maybe I rented it. Yeah, I borrowed it. From We could always ask you mom, No. Anyway, ice has been broken. We're going to dive into these conversations. We're going to take a little break for a second and get some energy. Honey, we need to chat.
Whoa. Welcome back. We are back. Good. We're back. Girl, we've got all the energy, girls. We're good. We're getting there. Yeah, yeah. Sorry about that. Speaking to you, make it am I. Right, have 4 kids, they said. It'll be fun, they said. No one said that, but it is fun. But I'll say, all right, let's dive into these stories, Reddit stories on the topic of those
hard conversations. We have hard conversations that people navigate in relationships that are sometimes necessary, sometimes maybe not as necessary. But having the hard conversation is a really important skill and not something that everybody knows how to tackle. So we're going to discuss some of these. Well, like a lot of people, steer away. From a boy. Too hard, I can't be bothered,
I'm too tired or whatever else. And yeah, for us, we want to keep on pressing into those in the right way and in the right time. Exactly. Yeah. For the right motivation. Yeah. Yeah. So we're just gonna touch on these stories and explore how we might navigate them and explore a few angles. Dive right in. First story from our slash
relationship. All of these stories will be our slash relationship on Reddit. How do you tell your partner that you need to hear them say something without feeling like they're reading a script when they say it? Male 30 and female 22. I don't feel like my partner cares or thinks about me. She keeps insisting that I should just tell her what I need, but I don't need specific
things. I need evidence that she's thinking about me. Today she suggested we watch a show we're currently watching together. I was excited too, but then she remembered she wanted to run some errands. While at the grocery store, she overheard some teenagers making fun of her. When I tried to console her, she said it felt like a parent talking to a child and she didn't want to be spoken to like
that. It wasn't my intention and I don't know how else to speak, so I excused myself to our spare bedroom. I texted her that I was done for the day and invited her to watch the show by herself. I really want her to tell me that she doesn't want to watch the show without me and I want to tell her that that's what I need from her. But she's a people pleaser and I don't think I can believe her if she repeats back to me what I
have said I wanted to hear. How do I tell her what I what to say without telling her what to say? I just want to say this is an example story. The actual story itself bit more layers to it.
We'll discuss it, but I think this touches on something that I've I resonate with a little bit and I think is pretty common where there's a certain thing that you need from your partner, but asking them for that feels like you're taking away some of the authenticity of it and how to have that conversation without losing that. I'm a little bit confused over the story because multiple parts.
Can you break it down again? OK, so basically basically he doesn't feel like she loves her very much. He doesn't feel like she shows her love for him very often. Hmm. And she always says if you need something, you tell me. But he doesn't necessarily know what he wants or how to ask it for from her. Today he was excited about spending time with her because she said she wanted to watch their show together.
She had to go grab something from the grocery store before that and while she was there, something happened. This is what It's a bit confusing to you too. She ever heard people teasing her and then she got upset about that he was trying to console her. He got frustrated at how he did that. So he he was frustrated that this is where the layers come in. Removed himself, Master Tran said. I don't want to watch the show with you tonight. You can watch it on your own
and. Only went to the spare. Bed. He went to spare bedroom to do that. All he wanted her to say was that she didn't want to watch it without him. Even how I'm explaining this is just complicate you understand? Hopefully. I think. I think I'll get it now. Yeah, I'm going to break it down to a few different sections. I think that how they're functioning has a few issues in it that are playing into this.
So there's there's probably more topics than just the like the question that he asks, which is how do you get them to say something to you that doesn't feel like a script? Basically, they are playing games in how how they're interacting. Well, at least he's playing games. Yeah, because he is reacting very obviously. We didn't see the conversation. In my opinion, he's reacting strangely over the. Top and coming sounds a bit childish.
It's like he's going and sulking because she told him that she doesn't want to be parented in the way he was comforting her. And maybe she said that in a really rude way. Like, who knows? I don't know. But I don't think there's ever been a time where we've removed ourselves to have our moment, then held it against like, then played a game with it. Sort of like texting you to say. Can you? Watch it with you by yourself. Yeah, yeah, sending you a text from another.
Room, that's such a bizarre behaviour. Like I'm sure there's been times around like I'm not in the mood for this anymore. Like the the shifted, I'm not in the mood and that's OK. But I think all of these different things is playing into this picture that's building in my head where it's just a little bit childish.
There's some weird stuff going on communication wise, so I think there's stuff they'd have to iron out before this one thing is, if that's how it's played out, you know, she's been upset by whatever it is she overheard. Then he was kind of babying her when he was consoling her. And she's like, no, I don't like that. And then he's gone and sulked in the room and texted her that he doesn't want to show. It's highly unlikely by that stage that she's going to say no, I don't want to watch it
without you. Like who's gonna like you're already, she's already frustrated and. Supposed to be more frustrated. Yeah, I'd be like, OK, good. I didn't wanna watch it with you anymore. Like you talking in your bedroom in the spare bedroom. Yeah. So I I think it's wishful thinking that she's gonna just say that on her own. Yeah, removing all of that background stuff, removing the rest of the story that they've said.
If we just focus on the question he's asked us, which is how do I get her to say this thing that I want her to say without it then feeling like a script? The reality is there will be times that we've spoken about this when we've referred to love languages where it will feel like a bit of a forced process, receiving the love from your partner in the way that you wanted to. And I've definitely experienced this with you and I'm sure you felt this with me as well.
Like the gifts, for example, when I first started giving you gifts, I'm sure it was just like, actually first gift ever. Second head scratching. Yeah. Yeah. Glare on our first Christmas ever. But to be fair to me, we hadn't discussed whether we're gonna do presents. And I don't think we're officially dating at that stage either. I think. Or maybe we had been for a day or two. He got me a $400.00 spa voucher for one of the local spas, and
which is incredible. And I had thought I had really wrestled because I knew gifts were important to you. And I was like, we haven't said we're going to do them, but I'm going to get him something anyway, so I'm to go without. I had bought him one of these little head stretch of things from like like a really cheap one. I think it was a vibrating one, but it didn't. Work. And, and I got it from like one of these pop up stores in the in the in the shops.
And then you had to give them to each other on Christmas Day. And didn't smash my window. That. Yeah, because I was mowing your lawns. But that wasn't my. Fault. Well, no, but you caused pain. Cause pain anyway. So I'm sure at the early stages the presence felt forced. It was the same with there's times where, you know, words like we've spoken about weren't a natural way for you to show me love. So there's times where those
would have felt forced. And I think there has to be an element of grace when you're learning those things. If you're one of your partner to succeed in this area, you have to have grace for them to be clunky. Absolutely you need grace, but you need to have that, that teamwork in growing that, you know, I mean, because a lot of the times where we're discovering things about ourselves. So for me to expect for you to know exactly what I need, when I need it, how I need it, whatever
else, that's not fair. I don't think we could actually communicate clearly in a if we didn't communicate clearly, you know, I mean, like, I don't think, I don't think my needs would be clear to you if I don't help you understand them. Yeah. Doesn't make sense. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. So, yeah. That that was all I was gonna say. Yeah. So I think if the point is not just a matter of showing grace, we need to be aware that you need to have the conversation.
You need to be able to share what you need because that's the teamwork. That's the team growing. Yeah. And I think this is, I think as well, you need to remove yourself from the instance because if his whole whole aim is that in this moment, this night, she's going to message him and say, no, I can't wait. I don't, I don't want to watch this without you.
And that's always focused on and that will be the win for him or the loss, depending on how it goes, that is is likely to fail, especially because of the story we've just heard. If his aim is it hurts when she doesn't say these things to me. So I'm going to, we need to then, like you said, work as a team in discovering what it is that I'm needing ongoing. So in the future when this happens, she will know, oh I actually need to hear from her that she enjoys having me there.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So it's not you're not going to fix that environment that moments not gonna be not a script. If she's going to say it, it's going to sound like a script. Thank if we have a look at this and kind of talk about how we would talk about it. So he starts it off by saying I don't feel like my partner cares or thinks about me. She keeps insisting that I should just tell her what I need, but I don't need specific things. I need evidence that she's thinking about me.
So that to me straight off the bat is a conversation about love languages. It's a conversation about that kind of exploration together. And it sounds like they're not having conversations. You know, I mean, it's a lot of expectations and assumptions. Yeah, well, expectations on assumptions. So it's like, I expect you to know this about me. I expect you to want to do this stuff for me. But there's just no evidence that they're actually exploring that together and growing in
that. Together. Yeah, exactly. So he's saying she's like, tell me what you need. And he's like, I don't need anything specific, I just need to know that you're thinking about me. I don't think that's true. I think he does need something specific. So probably words, because it sounds like words are a thing for him, but he needs to explore that himself, obviously. Yeah, I mean words, quality time, you know, could be a bunch
of different things for sure. Yeah, just from this story, that's what it sounds like to me. So I think it's important. If if this was me, I would be saying, and I have we have had this conversation where I've said to you that I don't necessarily feel that you, I don't feel your love. Hmm. And I've also said actually almost exactly this, where I don't feel like I take up much space in your head. Sometimes There's been times where I felt that way.
And so that's like a really valid thing for him to raise with her, I think. And then I can imagine as well receiving, will you tell me what you need then is probably like a bit of a could be a brush off feeling as well. Like also you just put it back on me. You just need me to tell you what I need, which is kind of Fair. Like you do need that person to
tell you what they need. Like we've said, it's until you can communicate what's going on for you, it's not really fair to expect it back from your partner. But if I was his partner, I would want to explore that with him. I wouldn't necessarily just be like, tell me what you need. I'd be like, well, like what? What has made you felt the love the most, which is conversation we've had? Like what things have stood out to you? You've told me about the mug that you love. Not this one.
It's a good one. It is a good one. It's the second good one. Yeah. So I think I would start there, start with that conversation, exploring it. What is it that's made you feel loved before? If she loves him, she would want him to feel loved. Hmm. So it should be a challenge that they take on together. Yeah, and I, I just see it easily falling into complacency, you know, in her response. So we were saying, yeah, if this was us in this position. Alright, so I don't know if you
wanna do role playing. Right. Alright, so you're the guy. Hmm. On the girl, let's flip that. You can say the girl outside the guy. Yeah. I think first of all, there's different layers. So how would we address this? I think the first thing that we would have actually addressed is his response and just leaving, walking away and not coming back. That's it's escaping, it's moving on. It's not addressing. It's. Yeah, I think that would be the first thing that we talk about
is no, we need a process. This is obviously something that we need to work on, so let's work on it. Let's not just leave it and be like I'm sulking now. I'm not even gonna sleep in the same bed as you. Yeah. It feels so minor of a thing for that to be the response. Yeah, but it's one either he could be a bit sensitive and dramatic or it could be actually there's quite a lot of things building up in here and he's
it's just hurting him, right. Either way, I don't think I response is the right response and we neither of us would be OK if either of us did that to each other. Then I think it would be a matter of OK, both of them are having communication issues. One, he's saying that she's not speaking love to him. He's not feeling that from her. So it is a love language conversation. Yeah, to she's saying that she doesn't like the way that he spoke to her about comforting her and stuff like that too.
So I feel like there's and there's other courses and, and things we could look into the future. There's the love languages, but there's also an apology language as well. There's all these different things and again, the way that a big thing that I've had to learn again, and a lot of guys do don't fix it for you.
You know what I mean? And again, I learn that and, and still am very much learning that cause my mind constantly goes to fix it mode and I am learning that through the conversations that we're having. So that's the layers that I'll break it down to. It's actually a great story to start off to today's episode because it's it's just highlighting again that the conversation isn't happening. And from his response, it doesn't sound like he's willing
in that moment. And for us, we would press in in the right time, in the right way and address it. Address it like, not just drop it off. So I think that's a big thing for this one. Yeah, it's a good one to start with. Yeah. Hey guys, just wanted to pop in and take a SEC to talk about the extra content you can find over on our Patreon and our Spotify subscription. We have a fun little community growing over there with extra
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One second one is fiance won't stop talking about weight. What should I do to get her to stop bringing it up constantly? The tough one. And a big one. Huge one. Yeah. So my 28 male girlfriend, 25 female, is not as skinny as she was a few years ago. She keeps saying that she's fat, but she is not. I'll admit she's not skinny, but she's not overweight. Yesterday she told me a coworker at her new job that she worked with a few years ago said she
was fat now. Then again today I told her that that wasn't the case and that this coworker who she barely knows is insane and incredibly insecure to bring it up twice within less than 24 hours. I've already discussed lifestyle changes that we can both make so we can look our best for our wedding in six months. She's probably brought this up around 10 times in the last three months. I want to be understanding but nothing I say makes it better.
She knows it's a sore subject but still brings it up. I listen, but it's kind of driving me crazy when I have to deal with her calling herself fat when she isn't. It hurts me to see a beautiful person beat herself up when she looks great. Maybe she needs therapy. I have no idea what to do. This is a really common issue. Yeah, yeah. So for so many reasons. I'm actually really looking for this conversation because this has been like knowing how to talk about this topic has been
really, really hard. Yeah. And I think it is for a lot of guys as well to know how to have a conversation, you know, because it's such a sensitive thing and rightly so. But I want I want to hear from your perspective on a lot of your thoughts on this topic. So layered this topic and that's why it's so complicated. And I think each story is going to be different. So his story is coming out from a perspective of she isn't fat. She keeps saying she's fat and she's bringing it up all the
time. I don't know what to do. I don't know how to tell her to stop talking about this kind of thing. And also that he has suggested practical ways to work on the weight, but she hasn't taken those up. And that's the classic trying to fix. Something exactly. So there's in this instance, there's a few things that come to mind right away. It is obvious that she's insecure about this. The first thing is it's an insecurity and an insecurity is separate to facts.
So there's a fact that she has gained weight. There's a fat, fat, you know it's gonna do that. Nothing on it. There's a fact. There's a fact that she is not overweight as his perspective at least. The fact is she isn't overweight, but she's also not skinny. So there's a facts, there's a separate to the emotional side of things and then there's insecurities. And we have walked this journey from from my side many times in
many different ways. And we'll probably continue to do that because it's such a complicated issue. And we have our own children and one of those is a daughter. And doesn't mean it's only girls navigate this, but it's just seems more common in that area, so we're probably gonna walk in that way too. When you're navigating your partner in an insecurity, it is a different thing to navigating
a fact. So he's aware of the facts and he's hopefully aware that she's insecure because if someone's raising it this many times, that sounds insecure, so he should be reading those signs. So there's a whole different way of going about it when you're talking about that insecurity.
And I think the biggest thing for me is the curiosity that we mentioned a lot on the podcast, because if you come in trying to fix it when someone's insecure about something, about their physical appearance and often wait, then you get tripped up in this thing where it's like, oh, so you do think of that. Yeah. Yeah. So you do think I've got a problem.
So you do think that I shouldn't be the way that I am or I'm not as valuable the way that I am and it just is a big trap, which is really upsetting because it shouldn't necessarily be that way. But it is.
It is that way. Yeah. But I can see from his perspective and from a guy's perspective, your perspective, I can see how complicated it must be to navigate this because, you know, the times where you've heard me complain about my weight and then in your head been like, well, I can't tell her. Like, maybe we should start walking or something like that. Like, you can't. It's you. I would feel like my hands were tied a lot in these conversations. Imagine it would be.
Complicated. Can I paint a scenario like yeah, Arsenal. Yeah, so and you guys might remember a couple of weeks ago and I mentioned the chat Jai came up with a question was what something is hard to bring up and this was it for me. Is this was the the hard thing to bring? Up, not the weight. Not, not the weight is. Amy mentions about how she wants to walk in the mornings and so forth.
And I encourage you to walk in the mornings, but you don't do it. And then I'm like, well, I, I know that five start going down this line. If I bring it up again, it's going to cause it's, it's, it's pricking in insecurity. And I know that and we've, we've shared 10 years of that journey, right? It's not any easier to bring up. And it's actually something I wanna keep talking about because I don't know how to support you
in this way. This is actually something I don't know how to support you in, but I really do want to. But it's not even just a matter of supporting. It's a matter of how do I even have the conversation? Because every time I do, it's like not, not the yellow, not that you've exaggerated or blown up, but it does it. The conversation turns into something that it wasn't meant to be. A lot bigger.
Yeah, exactly. So I brought up like, well, you know, I don't know how to talk to you about walking in the mornings and that just trickled a whole other thought for you. I'm like, no, literally, cause you mentioned do you want to walk in the mornings and you haven't been doing that. How can I support you in that? My response is, well, all you need to do, Amy, you need to send alarm. You need to get that. We've got a dog now. It helps you, you just go for a little walk everyday.
Just focus on and I'll go straight down to the, the practicalities and the the facts of what you need to do. And that's not what you need. I know it's not what you need, but I can't get my brain out of that mode. So This is why it's so hard. It's not just a matter of how you respond. I just know the what, the way that I want to approach it is not helpful.
And as well, I'm someone like I, I'm sitting on this for a couple of days and because I was literally walking the dog one day and I was thinking through it, I'm like, oh man, I know that Amy, how can I support Amy in this? How can I encourage her to do the things that she wants to do? You've been on an amazing fitness journey for the whole time that I've known you. You've really worked hard the motion at this year and last year, right? You've been doing really, really great.
And we've spoken about our goals we want to achieve in fitness so that when we are older, we are capable, like we can move and, you know, we're not bound to the seat because we can't get up, right. So that's what's in my mind on this walk. And like, I, I really want to encourage you, but I don't know how to bring it up. Yeah. And then I brought it up because it was a question from the chat jar and the conversation wasn't
great. You know, I mean, it was, it was a good ending, but we didn't actually discuss the thing because. Yeah, the conversation wasn't bad, that the reason that that conversation got derailed is so it's so dynamic. I know. And this is, I wanna have this conversation now, I don't want to be wrong cause I know, I know. It's, it's how I've said it too. And I can't get out of my head. Yeah, I get it on how to say it and I wanna learn that. How do I bring this up? How do I support?
You but that's why I'm laughing is because literally, literally you saying it carefully irritates the crap out. So like you being like how? Because this is how you brought it up daily. I want to know how to talk to you about walking. So to me, I'm just like, Oh my God, like if you had said I want to know how to talk to you about like going for your morning walks, I still probably would have been like sensitive to it, but it just but.
And so you do this not always keep getting better at it, but when you're trying to bring up the thing that's kind of hard, you'll say you said you didn't want to get takeout or something like that. And so then I'm more irritated at the attitude behind it instead of being like you said you didn't want to get take up. But I totally get why you. Trying to be sensitive. Sensitive thing.
So I'm gonna be like you said, you didn't wanna and so it's I understand how unfair it is. Like I really get that it's such a dynamic thing because if there's a hint that my value is dependent on my fitness or my weight or that I am, I'm a better person or I'm a more, I'm morally better or I'm like, I'm just the, the better. I don't know what other words put to it because I'm doing hard work with my fitness or I'm doing hard work my nutrition, I'm making wise choices with my
activity. It really, because I'm so these insecurities are so deeply ingrained into who I am, it really triggers that for me and for me, my response to those things is not work harder, which some peoples it is some people that are insecure to these things would be like, yeah, no, I gotta work harder. And they get like more, more intense with the thing, which is also a problem. It just looks positive, but really deeply it's, it's a
problem. But for me, my reaction is I shut down and I, I get real like stuck in my head and just like feel like I can't do anything. So then I'll do even less. And so it's just such a complicated issue that really I think the major thing is just the continual work on the inside stuff and how you support me through that is, is really tough. And I, I don't know the answer for those things. I. Completely get that. And that's The thing is like, alright, well, how do we move forward?
Do you know? I mean, like, I, yeah, I, I, I do try and be very sensitive to it. And I just, I don't know, just hearing you say the way that I say I'm like, yeah. I do. I'm, I'm so cautious and so aware of how it affects you and I'm trying my hardest to say it in the right way. Yeah, I know as I'm saying it, it's not the right way, but I'm like, I have no clue. Like. Yeah, it's, it is. The reality is it is an unfair expectation that you're just going to know how to navigate.
I don't know how to navigate. So it's would be even harder for someone who's not in the same headspace to navigate that. So it's, I believe it's a really unfair thing that a lot of guys get stuck with this complicated dance that people have to do with insecurities, I think. And like, I think when you're in a relationship, you have unfair things.
You do have to carry different burdens for each other, but I think the unfair side of it is the attitude that some people have about it where it's like, oh, guys, guys will never know how to communicate about this. No, they probably don't because they're they're not gonna say like it would be so complicated to be trying to have that conversation from an external. I totally understand how difficult it is purely because I don't even know how to have it and I'm the one navigating it.
I feel like a lot of women struggle to talk to women about it too. Yeah, right. Cause again, I, I see a lot of comments and things that women talking about society puts this pressure on women in media puts this pressure on women to look at certain look a certain way and so forth. So there's all this external pressure that even women don't know how to navigate that
conversation too. So of course guys struggle with it. But at the same time, like you, you mentioned, you know, it's, it's unfair to put that burden on. I mean, we all bring our stuff though. Do you mean like it's not a fair thing? Well, that's what I mean. Relationships aren't fair. It's exactly. So for me, it's like, well, no, this is I think last episode we spoke about how how I feel like I put more on our family because a lot of my stuff is external. You know, I mean, this is still
a very internal thing for you. And that's where it's hard to bring up to because I know it's such a real thing for you, but I know it's internal for you. Yeah. And that's where it's hard to talk about cause like, how do I draw that out so we can work on it? But at the same time, I don't wanna just draw it out. Yeah, I wanna draw it exactly. I wanna, I wanna lift you up because the end of the day it's not. I don't want you to come across of like, I think you are the
most unfit person. I think you should do this, that, this, that. I was like, no, actually, I know the goals that you set for yourself and I wanna be the guy on the sidelines cheering you on. And I wanna carry you if I can, you know, jump the sidelines and come and carry you if I can. But I have no clue how to do that in the way that's actually going to lift you up. So I, well, what do you think we could do going forward from here
then? Cause like you said, you don't even know what to do. What? What can we do? I think the reinforcement of my value, hmm. And that would be I think the case across the board. Similarly to when I was like, I'm not, I know you don't think I'm the most beautiful girl in the world. And then you went on to explain, actually you are because of who you are to me. And all of that is what beauty is.
So it wasn't just you're the most beautiful person in the world and that's it and move on. Hmm. Because This is why. So I think when you're navigating someone who's insecure in a space, continuing to reassure them of how valuable they are to you is really important. So the times are you reassure me of how I am, how beautiful I am to you, or how valuable the things that you draw out about my value outside of my looks.
It's huge for me because when you've got an insecurity that's physical, whether it's like valid or not, Hmm, It, it is so changeable. It's so like vulnerable feeling because I have found even when I got fitter and I lost weight, my insecurities didn't disappear. That they're separate issues. So the facts that she's, she's not skinny, but she's not overweight is a separate issue to her thinking she's fat. They're there are two things to navigate.
And so if you can continue to encourage and and uplift me in those spaces on my values, not my my appearance, your appearance doesn't change your attraction because appearance being what your attraction is based on is the most stupid, like vulnerable, crumbly thing because everybody ages and everybody changes. So like no one can avoid that. And if you try to avoid it, you end up looking totally different
as well. So it's if that's where that's sitting, that's just so vulnerable and honestly mind boggling to me. So the more that that someone in a relationship with someone who's insecure can reassure them of their value outside of their appearance, outside of their insecurity, can point out the things that are the opposite. So you pointing out the things that I add value to that have nothing to that have just to do with my internal self, like who I am rather than how I look super helpful.
And you do that. And then in terms of goals, I think fitness goals, health goals, internal external health, like all of the health stuff that's all tied in together, those are like holistic things. And so when I navigate them for myself holistically and I'm like, I just want to be the best person I can be. Not because I want to look this way because I'm just so narrow focused that I have to have this
kind of body. If it's because I want to live longer, I want to like you reminding me of the long term goals of our health is huge as well. Because I want to be able to play with my kids. I want to not be tired all the time. I wanna be in 20-30 years time, I wanna be able to run around with my grandkids. Like those things are really important too because they're again, they're not based on my looks, they're not based on my value as a person.
They're based on a goal to work towards together. So in terms of the insecurity then hmm, my role like what is my role like? So this is still unpacking that. So yes, I can say all these things without help with your own security shouldn't mean like how will that navigate? Because I can, I can talk about the future. I can talk about, you know, you're worth to me, all that sort of stuff. And that's gonna make you feel good and it's gonna show my love to you, all that sort of stuff.
But is it gonna help with your own security? And if not, again, this isn't helping me understand, well, what's my role to play? Is this something where, look, it's just too sensitive and I don't have a role here because it's too hard to talk about or what? Like what is my role in that in that situation? I think the curiosity is a huge thing. You are. Mostly curious, but you also don't necessarily investigate me.
Yeah, the way that I investigate you, which is a personality thing, Absolutely. But so I think, and The thing is like all these conversations we've had, so it's not a matter of now discovering this, but I think you, your role in the insecurity side of it, in my thinking is about helping draw out where it came from, exploring what that meant for me, how it made me feel, the little comments that stood out to me. Those kinds of things, I think
is probably just being part of that journey is most helpful for me. Yeah. So how do you, cause I'm trying to learn from you cause I gotta see you do such a great job with this, just this curiosity and you, you dig into that stuff and it's like, it's not just a question, It's a question with care. I think that's such a great gift, gift that you have with people, which is where people just feel so safe with you. They feel so seen with you, right?
How do you do that? We've, we've spoken about all these things before. We've spoken about the path, we've spoken about these insecurities. We've asked these questions. What does that look like ongoing? Is it continually asking the same question? Is it? I don't know. I, I, I. What does that look? Like we've had so many conversations about each other and I, for me, it's like you're still a puzzle. I've got most of the picture of
you. There's still some blank spots or there's parts that don't connect. And I'm not quite sure where that comes from. And it's just my head ticking over. And so when I asked those questions, I'm like, it's almost the same story. Like I've heard that kind of most of that story, but I've never asked this question, which kind of connects one puzzle piece to another.
And then all of a sudden when we have that conversation, even though we've almost had the exact same conversation before, it's like everything clicks into place and that part of the puzzle is clear. And so that's how I view the curiosity when I talk about curiosity and podcast ever, it's that kind of thing. It's not just a matter of being like, I'm sitting with someone and I need to show curiosity
them. So I'm going to think of a question I can ask and then they answer me and like, that's nice. And that's just gone. It's a matter of like, you're looking at a puzzle. There's a bunch of pieces in different places and you don't have a clear picture yet, so you're trying to put those together. And when it's your partner, that's your forever person. So that puzzle should be the most intense.
If it's a friend, you'll probably just kind of like slowly tick away and maybe not get a full picture ever. That's what happens for me in my head. And that's such a specific thing. I don't know that something that people can learn. I really believe people can learn it because my mind is thinking through like I feel like guys are very block minded, right? It's like I've asked that question that that block complete now that block
complete, that block complete. And we go through the different questions and when we inquire like, OK, inquiry complete where your mind doesn't really complete. Yeah, you know, I mean, like it's well, it's not just that it doesn't complete, it's like you haven't completed that yet because there's a whole, it's not a bunch of different boxes. It's actually a whole masterpiece, like and that's that's the level that you're looking at. And I I really believe you can learn to do that.
And I think the beauty and something I really, really appreciate with you is you give me the space to learn that, you know, and, and I identifying that we do think differently and we do have different strengths and different weaknesses. And I know a lot of people, guys and girls, don't give each other that space to learn because they have that expectation that we saw in the. First story. Yeah, you should know this about me. You should know to do this. Why don't you do this?
Yeah, a lot of it is learning. Well, we gotta learn how to paint that picture. And that's what I'm doing now. And I, I still need to learn that. Cause in my head I'm like, I don't even know what question I could ask to help paint a bigger picture for me. I just, I just like come to my head and that's not a cop out. That's now cool. That's my that's my growth point right now. This is what I want to work on the most is how do I paint a bigger picture?
Yeah, of the story of Amy and, and everything that's involved with you so. Yeah, In my head, it's like if someone asked me about you, I wanna have all the answers eventually. And I don't have all the answers, but I want to be able to be like, oh, yeah, actually. Because when he was like in high school, something happened to him and he like, it messed up his knee. And so he wasn't able to do this, this and this.
Like I just, I want to be able to answer the like when we're becoming one, which is what I believe marriage is. I want that to mean that we're more and more becoming the stories the same. Like it's like your story, my story. I can recall things that I wasn't there for because we've spoken about them and I understand how they impact you. And when you react suddenly out of something, it's not because you're just being like annoying. It's because of whatever is triggered that for you.
You're a person like me who has emotions and positives and negatives. And most people, unless they're like narcissistic or they've got some kind of mental health thing going on that means they're incapable of being functioning normally, most people are going to function the same way as us in different ways. And so if someone's acting weird or someone's got a strange reaction or someone's being juvenile or immature or something, it's not just.
That's who they are. That's who they are and that's how they're gonna be like. I think that doesn't mean we have to fix it. Like if that's happening in a relationship, it's fair to be like, actually, no, I'm not really OK with that. But when you're committed to somebody and you love them, I want to know that person. Yeah. As if I wanna know what makes you react that way. So yeah. I think this is really, really important.
I know for a fact a lot of our male listeners are gonna be listening to this episode and like, and, and just really appreciating your vulnerability and sharing that because a lot of what guys are trying to do is, is getting to the mind of our partners, right? Like, what do you value?
Because again, like we just think so differently because even then I'm like, I, I could answer, I could answer any question someone had about you, but it'd be all compartmentalised, you know, I mean, all we block information be that category, that category where with you, it's all tied in together. And that's what I'm trying to improve on. And I really believe I can and I know want to. They really important thing though, is that you the way your brain works isn't wrong.
No, I'm just the same way as like when I'm taking it all these little pieces. That's why I get so anxious or I get so overwhelmed. You know, I get so stuck in not being like, we had something other day where I was like frustrated or like whatever at this person and I just, but I also couldn't like communicate about it. And it's all just communicate the way that they communicate bloodly. Exactly. But I can't do that because of this. Like my brain just gets, it's too overwhelming.
Yeah. So I think the beauty of relationship is you're not working with one person isn't becoming like the other person. You're both coming like each other. So learning that compartmentalization is so important as well. Absolutely. If your partner is insecure about something, you need to remove the logic and the facts and the fixing and all that stuff from that conversation. You need to enter it curiously, gently, not in a patronising
way. If you want to be able to communicate with them clearly, you need to come in gently, curiously. I think that's a good way to start. Just instead of being like, tiptoed to awkward and they know it's awkward and I'm going to just say it or I'm not going to say it. Yeah, yeah. Be like, just have a conversation with them. Like that's kind of the tone that I'm talking about. Honestly, a lot of guys weren't and I wouldn't. Yeah, because we know it's such
a sensitive thing. And we will get so much in our head of, like, again, we want our partners to feel the most beautiful. Yeah, but there's an issue there. And like with this, you know, she's saying she's fat. We wanna dress that. I have no clue how. Yeah, that's not. It's like either say no, you're not fat or don't talk about. It Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And well, I know from a lot of the conversations I've had with
guys, we shut down, yeah, man. But it, it niggles at us because it was like, I don't want to leave it there, but it's, I could do so much damage in this space. And, and a lot of guys and girls have done so much damage to, to both men and women, but mainly women in this space too. And so that's why it's such a sensitive thing and and such a desire for guys to learn how to have that conversation.
Yeah. And I'll just say as well, if you think you're avoiding the conversation because you're not talking about it, you're not avoiding it. You're actually having a very loud conversation. It's just not the conversation you got any control over it. And that would be the same across the board with any of these hard conversations, though it is complicated. I think being, I think your honesty has been the biggest thing where you're like, I don't know how to talk to you about
this. So that conversation we had the other week on the podcast wasn't a bad conversation, wasn't mad hard bringing up. It was a hard conversation. But you said, I don't know how to talk to you about this. I was about how it started. And so the difficulty in that conversation was exploring why it is that I'm so triggered. And so the actual you bringing it up was on the issue.
And I think if you come in with an honesty about it and say, I, I don't want to say the wrong thing, but I'm just wondering how this is for you or where did it start for you or where are you at with this and that kind of thing. I think that kind of. Honestly curiosity is a really good place to start. Hmm. Not fixing it, not factual, not logical, not irritated or triggered yourself. Like yeah, not fun. That's a good, really good conversation.
Actually really appreciate that conversation cause it's very real and. Very relevant. And it's very vulnerable if you just share that. Yeah. And so I appreciate no worries and I wanna keep exploring it. Thanks. I think just to quickly to wrap up the story that is connected to that started it all. He's his question is fiance won't stop talking about white. How can I get her to stop
bringing it up? The reality is you're not going to get her to stop bringing it up until you are understanding her and walking that journey with her more. I think if your focus is, how can I get her to stop talking about this? You're missing the. Mark, yeah, you're missing the point. Missing the issue is Yeah, yeah. Exactly. OK, last hard conversation. Yeah, just to keep them coming. Keep them coming. Wife sex drive is nonexistent. My wife 27 female has low sex drive.
This person's way of writing as well is just very comical so I'm going to read it the way they write it. Wife has low sex drive fullstop causing problems fullstop. My wife 27 female and I 26 male have a terrible sex life. She knows it and I hate it. I have tried in the past to get on it OHS I've tried in the past to get it on OK and not not much different and she doesn't ever want it. She doesn't like being cuddled in bed. She doesn't like me asking for it.
She says oh we'll do it tomorrow. Tomorrow comes too tired. I know this sounds like a blame game but my sex drive is high and hers is low. The compromise for me would be to do it a little bit but that doesn't happen. I've just worked away for two weeks. I expected to come home and heard a wanted a little bit. Not even a mention of it dot dot dot. We go on dates a lot and we show affection in other ways so I'm not sure why it doesn't happen.
I'm starting to think she isn't attracted to me anymore. We don't have any kids. I'm at my end and struggling to see a way through. It causes a lot of arguments. Please does anyone have any ideas? I am. I, I feel there's a whole other level. And this is another one to where it's just hard. A lot of learning for guys, I think, and me as well, about not just a sex drive, but what goes on for a woman's body too, because there's hormonal stuff. There's a lot of things going on.
It's not just she won't do it. Yeah, could be. I don't know. Maybe he's ugly. I don't know like. As we said, attraction is not all physics. Exactly. So I don't think it's, I don't know. I think again, it's a lot of questions and a lot of exploring. Like is she OK with how it is? He said she knows it, he hates it. I feel like when you get the extra pressure on it, you know, it's like it could be more deterring for her.
That's 100%. I, I feel like it's an exploration because it might be a medical thing too. And I don't think guys have that understanding of women's bodies. And I definitely don't to a level of empathy towards what they could be going through, what you guys could be going through too. You know, I don't wanna derail on this too much, but I, I, A real eye opener for me was when I listened to a podcast. It was a mental health podcast, but it's this one episode was on an applause.
And it was such an eye opener for me cause I was like, wow, like your bodies. I don't have to deal or think about any of this stuff. And so when when I hear guys talk about she won't do this, she won't do that, I might do you. You just don't know. Like, I don't know. I heard one podcast and it blew my mind. So yeah, so much exploration there to do for a couple in this area rather than they won't put
out. Yeah, I think we've got a really interesting perspective on this because at the beginning of our marriage, your drive was a lot lower than mine. And so we had that journey to navigate. Now my drive is a lot and yours and there's so many factors that we would have to do more than three podcasts on it to talk about what goes into those things. But you're so right. It's not just it's not just physical in that moment. She doesn't wanna do it.
Hmm. I don't know the physiological stuff, but in my understanding, loosely, guys can be in the mood very quickly, out of mood very quickly. It's like sort of just like, Oh yeah, I might do it now. Yep. Cool. For the most part, women also physiologically, a lot of the time I think it's like 20% of women just to get super detailed. So mom, if you're listening, please block your ears. I mean, you should know this anyway. We've had sex, you should know this. We have 4. Children. No.
I think it's something like 20% of women will actually have an orgasm during sex, like during intercourse. I don't know what else to say during that kind of part of it. Good detail. So when a mummy in a very low it's Alabama. The reason I'm getting so clear on that is in, at least in my understanding as I grew up, I was like, that's kind of I knew that that that was the main piece that was like, oh, that's sex.
Those elements are sex. And I didn't really kind of put together that the whole process around it is what you would call what you should call sex because one of those processes is not very if that, if that was all that sex was, is 1 sided. It's one sided. 4 for like 80% of women, it's one sided. So that's not how it's going to work. So there's like a whole big picture that goes into N4N four woman to actually enjoy it physically.
Not I shouldn't say enjoy it for a woman to have an orgasm it takes a lot of mental stuff. Yeah, so much mental stuff, physical stuff like like energy wise, all of that stuff. So it is so easy for someone who doesn't have to think about that to just be like why isn't she doing it? There could be so many factors like how is there mental load at home? That's a huge thing. How is she going hormonally? How does he talk to her and
treat her outside of that? The pressure that he's putting on it, like you said, that if there's pressure, that's like so much harder to. Do like you said, it's it's a lot of stuff in. Your head as well. Exactly. And even you struggled with that. When we first got married, I was really like, why don't you want it? No, it's like a big, big issue between us for a little while.
And you were exhausted because you were waking up at 4:00 AM and there was other stuff that had gone on in your journey that was kind of impacting it as well. And so, but the more that I put pressure on, I remember you saying to me, the more I put pressure on, the harder it was for you to actually engage in it. And the the inequality is that if a man is not mentally ready to do it, it's just not gonna happen. Yeah. If a woman's not mentally ready to do it, often they'll just do it.
Yeah. And so then you can find yourself years down the track having just done it because the guy wants to do it. And then depending on how your relationship is, probably get to the stage. You're like, I'm tired of just doing it because you want to do it. He says they haven't got kids, but especially people that do have kids as well, like we've talked about being touched out before, like you're just kids on me all day long and I'm not really enjoying the process.
Why would I want? This is not IE by the way. This is like pathetically, but I mean it is. So yeah, I'm thinking about and I'm processing at the moment because my drive is a lot lower and I have had a baby within the last 14 months, but into post Natal I think takes two years to recover. But like still it is something I'm thinking about because I am not satisfied with us just having a so so sex life. I don't want that for the rest
of our lives. And I'm also not satisfied with this culture that I see where it's like women are like, I can't be bothered. He just wants it all the time. I can't be bothered. And that's just an OK, healthy, accepted thing. I think it is fully OK for you to not be OK doing it right now and should be in a place where like I am. I'm not just going to make myself do it because he wants to do it right now. Especially because there's a myriad of reasons I always said
that could be impacting that. I don't think it's OK long term for a couple to not be working on this aspect of their lives. And I'm right there like I'm right there where I'm like, I, I don't think it's OK for me to stay this way and. We've spoken about this though too, though, you know, I mean, I think when it's not OK is when you haven't had the
conversation. You haven't had the conversation or. Not willing to have the conversation and that's where I'm OK because we've had the conversation, we're having the conversation. I feel I feel like it's on what you're saying there about just so we can move off orgasms, but there's this one story, the success of my mind. It was old boss of mines wifes friend. So it was like third, third part telling me the story. The conversation went about. Let's just call that that that friend.
I was gonna say Sarah. We know too many Sarahs. There wasn't. There wasn't a Sarah. Wasn't Sarah? Like, let's call it Dorothy, Dorothy and Wally. OK, husband and wife, Dorothy and Wally, they didn't have a great sex life. And he said, look, if I don't get it twice a week, I'm actually gonna go elsewhere. Oht my. And I think that was for me and and it was it's a whole conversation. And I think guys, we need to check the way that we talk about this sort of stuff too.
And our our entitlement to sex and someone else's body is is something that can be not a lot. I don't I don't hear it anymore. But if you struggle with that, man, we need to, we really need to tighten that up like that cannot be the way that we communicate or of you sex. And they were joking about it and it was it. This was I was young, I was a teenager and I still wasn't OK with it. I was like, this does not sound right. So not saying that this is this guy that we're talking about.
I feel like there's so many different things that we can speak into this space. But I big thing is for me, what I've been really learning about is women's bodies. Man, you guys are miracles. Secondly, how much guys can struggle with entitlement and, and how much that is not OK. And yeah, it's if it's about us, we're gonna get bored. You know it. We're just missing out on so much if it's about you, where it's actually so much better. Yeah. And more fun for both parties.
I think there's a reason that our bodies work the way they do, because I think it makes a lot of sense that it's easy on one side and really complicated on another. But if, if one partner isn't, If the male partner is not taking the time to figure out that complicated puzzle, then that complicated puzzle is going to shut up and not be there. Yeah, gosh, shop, shop, shut up shop. And yeah, I think it's, it could be looked at like something that's just too complicated to work on.
So there's again, the avoidance thing. You can find yourself in a rut where either you're not doing anything at all or she's doing it out of obligation. But the bigger conversation is, is what's happening for you? What's going on? Again, the curiosity, curiosity. I think it's just if you can have that attitude about these things, you're just going to have a way better conversation.
Actually saw a post recently on a a group that I'm a part of and I commented on it because the person said. We have sex about once a month and I've been telling my my husband that this is normal and he thinks it's not normal. He wants it more. And so I've been saying everybody, this is really common. So I wanna, I wanna ask on this group, how often do you guys do it? So all these people were commenting on it and they were saying how often they did it.
Some people were like, I do like three or four times a week. And others were like, yeah, we maybe do it once a fortnight. But I commented and I said the issue isn't actually how often you do it. This is something I've had to learn through. Like actually this podcast I listened to in books I've read and also just friends and our journey. But like, it's actually not about how often you're doing it. The issue is about how you both
are feeling about that. So if there's a mismatch in that, that's actually the bigger problem than how regularly you're having sex. And so there is a conversation to be had there. If he's feeling this way about their relationship, that's not invalid. And yes, there's like 100% there's this unfortunate cultural entitlement that seems to have been the case from the
man's side. And for women, that has been really damaging, really damaging to the point where I feel like women have gone almost too far now to be like, if we don't want it, we don't, we don't have to have it. We're just not even gonna explore it. Yeah, we're not even gonna look into. I don't think that the healthiest option is that a couple is just not doing it. Hmm. With their if they are capable of doing it.
And if it's safe? And if it's safe and everything like that, I think the healthiest option is that you are exploring it together and you're working on it and growing in whatever way looks best to you guys. So I think that goes both ways. The entitlements gonna damage it. And then the defensiveness of being like, you can't tell me you need it or you can't like put pressure on me to need it. I'm just not going to do it at all. Either way is damaging.
And so you, the bigger issue is if there's a mismatch in that, there needs to be conversations in that. There has to be a bunch of grace. There has to be a lot of understanding that there's probably a lot of things playing into it. And if you're wanting it, if this guy's wanting it, he also then has to be willing to put in the work in those other places when they do have this conversation and those come out to work on that. He can't expect that those are
just going to be ignored. And it, to me, screams that there's a lot of stuff going on. Yeah, yeah. Cool. I think that's it. I mean, huge conversations. And the reason I picked these stories was I think they're relevant to so many people in different ways. And and they're hard conversations and we want to encourage and, and you and I are people want to pressing into those hard conversations. They are hard. They're not always fun, but man, I grow so much closer. To you, So we do.
Have those conversations. So yeah, we encourage you guys to do the same. Thank you guys so much for checking in. If you would, if you wanna hear more of these stories, we do have a patron episode where gonna record next. I'd go along the page here and check out our extra content there. It's really, really good. We get really personal with a lot of stuff as well and the support would go a huge way guys. So thank you so much for your support that you've been showing already.
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In your own shit. It works on so many. Levels does. Remember, courage isn't about not feeling scared, it's about speaking up even when you are. Take these tools, build your bridges, and transform those tough talks into triumphs. Thanks for tuning into honey. We need to chat. Keep talking, keep listening, and above all, keep growing. Until next time, keep does conversations real and heartfelt. Thanks guys. Good chat. See ya.