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HFMAtalk

Do you want to keep abreast of the latest in NHS finance and find out what your colleagues around the country are doing when faced with similar challenges? HFMATalk is the podcast for you. In every episode we will explore the topics that are of interest to you and shine a light on good practice in NHS finance and governance. The Healthcare Financial Management Association (HFMA) is the professional body for finance staff working in healthcare. For 75 years it has provided independent support and guidance to its members and the wider healthcare community.
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Episodes

72: From waste to value - how UHCW is transforming care and costs

In this episode, we explore how University Hospitals Coventry and Warwickshire (UCHW) has embedded the Virginia Mason Production System (VMPS) to improve patient care and deliver greater value. We speak to Marie Fogarty, group clinical director, and Lynda Mott, a modern matron, about how the system has been embedded in the trust and hear real-world examples of its impact on patient care, staff engagement, and financial savings. VMPS is an internationally renowned system that focuses on eliminati...

Aug 19, 202552 minEp. 72

71: Trust's award winning nitrous oxide project

In this episode, we’re bringing you a session from our recent Environmental sustainability series event. During the session, Phillip Branford, environmental and sustainability officer at Sheffield Children's Hospital, outlines the process and impact of the trust decommissioning its nitrous oxide and pipeline systems. This work earned the organisation the 2024 HFMA Environmental Sustainability Award — a fantastic example of clinical and finance teams working together to drive meaningful change. N...

Jul 28, 202532 minEp. 71

70: In conversation with HFMA president, Lee Outhwaite

In this episode, Emma Knowles, HFMA director of policy and communications, sits down with current HFMA president Lee Outhwaite. Lee reflects on his career in NHS finance, from starting out in Plymouth in the early 1990s to his current role as CFO at South Yorkshire Integrated Care Board, sharing stories from across his time in both provider and commissioning roles. He discusses insights from attending the HFMA US annual conference, his presidential theme of values and value, and how finance lead...

Jul 07, 202550 minEp. 70

69: In conversation with HFMA Rising Star award winner, Sofiya Khan-Ringshaw

In this episode, we are joined by 2024 Rising Star award winner Sofiya Khan-Ringshaw. Now a costing analyst at North East London Foundation Trust and chair of both the HFMA next gen committee and London student finance network, Sofiya shares how she found her footing in NHS finance after joining as an apprentice at just 16. From overcoming self-doubt to driving national networks and mentoring others, she talks candidly about the power of short-term goals, the importance of representation, and wh...

Jun 30, 202537 minEp. 69

68: Creating integrated neighbourhoods teams with the NAPC

In today’s episode, we’re bringing you a recording from a recent ICB Forum event where we explored one of the key components of shifting towards more proactive, community-based and integrated care: integrated neighbourhood teams, or INTs. Katrina Percy and Martin Almond from the National Association of Primary Care (NAPC) share their insights on what makes an INT successful and the crucial role that integrated care boards can play in enabling innovation and integration. You can register for the ...

Jun 23, 202533 minEp. 68

67: Healthcare Finance insights: Running costs and pay awards

In this episode, Steve Brown, Editor of the HFMA magazine Healthcare Finance, joins the podcast to provide insight on the latest news stories and wider challenges facing the NHS. You can register yourself or your team for the free HFMA members' summer series event ⁠⁠⁠here.

Jun 02, 202516 minEp. 67

66: Supporting mental health in the NHS - Tips for you and your team

As the NHS in England faces unprecedented levels of uncertainty and change, the impact on individuals working within the service cannot be underestimated. With that in mind, in today’s episode, we showcase a conversation between Jodi Martin, Senior Strategic Finance Manager at Norfolk and Suffolk NHS Foundation Trust as well as a Mental health and wellbeing champion for One NHS Finance, alongside Andy Barton, a mental health nurse also at Norfolk and Suffolk NHS Foundation Trust. Together, they ...

May 26, 202535 minEp. 66

65: The HFMA mental health and learning disabilities network: Past, present and future

In this episode, we’re shining a spotlight on the HFMA mental health and learning disabilities network — exploring the role it plays in supporting finance professionals and improving services across the NHS. We’re joined by Suzanne Robinson, former chair of the network, and Adrian Snarr, the current chair. They reflect on their involvement, the challenges facing mental health services today, and what’s next for the network as it continues to evolve. This episode focuses on mental health and incl...

May 19, 202539 minEp. 65

64: The NHS finance function in 2024: England

The HFMA recently published a report titled, The NHS finance function in 2024: England. Produced every two years, the report provides a unique snapshot of the makeup of the NHS finance function in England, and how it is changing over time. In this episode, two of the HFMA’s senior policy managers: Lisa Robertson and Emily Hopkinson will explore the publication, explain how the data was gathered, and discuss what it shows about today’s finance workforce. You can find the report on the HFMA websit...

May 05, 202526 minEp. 64

63: A fireside chat with finance director of the year, Su Rollason

In this episode, we share a conversation between Lisa Robertson, senior policy manager at the HFMA, and Su Rollason, deputy chief executive officer and chief finance officer of University Hospitals Coventry and Warwickshire. Su reflects on her career and her role in leading one of theNHS’s most ambitious financial and operational transformations. This recording has been edited from a fireside chat webinar that took place in March. You can register yourself or your team for the free HFMA members'...

Apr 21, 202552 min

62: Enhancing NHS-VCSE collaboration

In this episode, we share a conversation between Kathy Roe, Interim chief finance officer at NHS Greater Manchester Integrated Care Board, and Jacob Lant, Chief executive at National Voices. They discuss the need for a stronger relationship between the NHS and the Voluntary, community and social enterprise sector. This recording has been edited from a session at our Integrated care series event, which took place in early March 2025. You can register for the HFMA annual conference here....

Apr 07, 202544 min

61: Healthcare Finance insights: NHSE and the four nations

In this episode, Steve Brown, Editor of the HFMA magazine Healthcare Finance, joins the podcast to provide insight on the latest news stories and wider challenges facing the NHS. The surprise resignations of NHS England’s CEO, Amanda Pritchard, and CFO, Julian Kelly, have sent shockwaves through the sector. Meanwhile, Prime Minister Keir Starmer announced plans to abolish NHS England entirely. This comes at a time of huge operational and financial challenges for the NHS across the whole UK as it...

Mar 31, 202522 minEp. 61

60: Navigating the 2024/25 financial year-end

In today’s episode, Debbie Paterson, senior technical manager at the HFMA, sits down with Lisa Robertson, senior policy manager at the HFMA, to discuss the 2024/25 financial year-end process. They explore some of the key challenges facing finance teams and auditors, important considerations to help ensure a smooth year-end, and the HFMA resources available to support everyone through the process. The HFMA has produced a number of resources to help navigate the process. Access them all here. For ...

Mar 24, 202534 min

59: Learnings on quality improvement from Virginia Mason

In March 2024, the HFMA, One NHS Finance and a group of NHS chief finance officers visited the Virginia Mason Franciscan Health Institute in Seattle to learn about their world-renowned approach to quality improvement. In this episode, Lee Outhwaite (NHS South Yorkshire Integrated Care Board) , Amy Whitaker (Mid Yorkshire NHS Trust), and Yarlini Roberts (Kingston and Richmond Community Healthcare NHS Trust) discuss the visit, the learnings they took away, and how it has impacted their approach to...

Nov 05, 202449 min

58: Introducing the health inequalities finance fellows

In this episode, Emily Hopkinson, policy and research manager at the HFMA, speaks to Nigel Gloudon, associate director of finance and performance for Halton at NHS Cheshire and Merseyside, and Wendy Wood, finance business partner at NHS Shropshire, Telford and Wrekin. Nigel and Wendy are part of the first-ever cohort of health inequalities finance fellows (HIFFs), a joint programme being run by the HFMA and NHS England. They discuss what attracted them to the programme, their findings from being...

Aug 01, 202448 min

57: Exploring the HFMA audit committee handbook

In this episode, Lisa Robertson, senior policy manager at the HFMA speaks with Paul Dillon Robinson, non-executive director at Queen Victoria Hospital NHS Foundation Trust and Louise Cobain, assurance director at MIAA, about the HFMA's recently rewritten audit committee handbook. They discuss the key updates and topics covered, how it is of value to committee members and finance colleagues, and the role of the audit committee more generally. The handbook is openly available, and all NHS organisa...

May 22, 202431 min

56: Navigating the 2023/24 financial year-end

In this episode, the HFMA’s Debbie Paterson, senior technical manager, and Lisa Robertson, senior policy manager, discuss the 2023/24 financial year-end process. They outline what issues finance teams need to consider regarding the preparation and audit of the annual report and accounts and highlight the different HFMA resources available to support finance colleagues through the process. You can access the HFMA resources here ....

Mar 27, 202426 min

55: In conversation with...Simon Worthington

In this episode, Mark Orchard spoke with Simon Worthington, director of finance at the Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust. They discussed Simon's impressive career, as well as his key contributions to NHS finance including his work on the aligned incentive contract, working day one reporting and finance team development. You can expect to get valuable insights and learnings from Simon as he shares his experiences in this engaging conversation.

Aug 09, 202353 min

54: Across the pond: comparative healthcare systems in the US

In this latest episode, Lisa Robertson catches up with Caroline Clarke, NHS England’s London regional director, and Lizzie Smith, joint NHS England London Director or Workforce, Education and Training. Reflecting on their recent visits to health systems in New York and Chicago. They share their experience and insights and thank all those in the US who were so generous with their time. You can read the accompanying briefing, "The New York health system" ⁠ here.⁠...

Jul 21, 202332 min

53: In conversation with the 2022 finance team of the year award winners

For this edition of the podcast, HFMA senior policy manager Farida Khawaja caught up with the winners of the 2022 HFMA Finance Team of the Year award, Staffordshire and Stoke-on-Trent ICS Finance Team. Paul Brown (CFO), Martin Richards (head of programme finance for primary care) and Catherine Hope (operational business partner), reflect on their journey as a system, how they achieved a collaborative working approach and tips for writing an award winning entry.

Jun 01, 202324 minEp. 53

52: How costing can support the efficiency agenda

For this edition of the podcast, Farida Khawaja caught up with Gerald Enuezie of Barts Health NHS Trust who were short-listed in HFMA's 2022 national costing award. Gerald shares the journey that finance and clinical teams have been on together to develop interactive dashboards, demonstrating the result of fantastic collaboration between the two teams.

Apr 19, 202320 min

51: In conversation with...Lee Bond

For this edition of the podcast, Mark Orchard caught up with the HFMA's 2022 president, Lee Bond. They cover a variety of topics, from Lee's presidential theme 'Strength in Numbers', his career, interests and more!

Mar 09, 202353 minEp. 50

50: Social investment in the NHS with Paul Butterworth of Macmillan Cancer Support

For the 50th edition of the HFMAtalk podcast, Sarah Day caught up with Paul Butterworth, the Director of Strategic Financial Management at Macmillan Cancer Support. They discussed the role of social investment within the NHS, in particular end of life care for cancer patients. Learn more about how it works, the successes Paul has seen so far, how it is measured and how Macmillan has partnered with Social Finance to build the business case.

Feb 09, 202330 min

49: Tobacco dependency: a conversation with Professor Sanjay Agrawal

In this latest episode, Sarah Day catches up with Professor Sanjay Agrawal, the National Specialty Adviser for Tobacco Dependency at NHS England, Chair of the Royal College of Physicians Tobacco Advisory Group and a Consultant in Respiratory and Intensive Care Medicine. Sanjay discusses the NHS tobacco dependency prevention programme and health inequalities. The HFMA has published an accompanying briefing: 'Investing to reduce tobacco usage and tackle associated health inequalities' - read it he...

Jan 18, 202320 minEp. 49

48: How can digital technology help the NHS overcome its challenges

We’re joined by three digital leaders in the NHS, Nicci Briggs, Mike Emery, and Sonia Patel for a conversation about the role of digital technology in helping the NHS overcome its challenges. They discuss the importance of setting solid foundations for digital transformation, the opportunities presented by the introduction of integrated care systems, and ways that the NHS can attract and retain a talented workforce to drive forward the digital agenda.

Sep 20, 202241 min

47: An introduction to NHS finance

In this episode we are joined by national, regional, and local finance leaders from across different healthcare systems to discuss the key things to know regarding the current NHS finance regime. The topics covered include the current financial context, the role of new statutory bodies such as the integrated care board and integrated care partnership, how finances flow across systems, reporting and accountability, and where you can find further support. As part of this episode there are addition...

Aug 10, 202249 min

46: In conversation with Nicci Briggs

In this latest 'In conversation with...' episode, Mark Orchard catches up with Nicci Briggs, chief finance officer at the newly-created Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Integrated Care Board, and winner of the NHS finance director of the year at the HFMA Awards 2021. They discuss Nicci's new role, her career story so far, and what it meant to her to be named as finance director of the year.

Jul 12, 202248 min
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