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best golf. We're talking is leading instructors, researchers and players themselves to find what is actually working. Hey, thanks for joining us today. You are listening to one of our partner shows. It is the tour coach podcast with Tony ruggero. He has some phenomenal guests on talking about teaching tour Pros, will have his players on
just always a great show. Today was another great episode, want to share that with you here on the gulf Science Lab podcast, let's get into it. So we're sitting in here, another edition of the tour coach podcast, I thought it was time actually with the year ago at Pebble Beach since I was at Pebble, which made me decide to do this since we sat down and had dinner. And we take one of your visits
here on the tour coach. I thought it was a good time to bring you back because there's, I got lots of stuff to talk to you about lots of questions. But mr. Brady, Riggs, Brady, you've had a lot going on here and some different places. Now buddy, what's going on Hannah? And I remember that day. Actually, we had a really nice dinner and then we were hanging out and having a cocktail and it was a wonderful evening. As always with you, I'm out here in Hawaii.
Now had a place called The Four Seasons walleye Resort and it's Paradise. So, I'm doing a little back and forth to LA but very busy, but having a great time. Well, if you follow on social media after I know most people do and at Red goat way to follow him. I mean, it's it looks awesome. And I think one of the cool things about our business and getting to know people is like, I know you You wanted to be there in Hawaii. That's, that's a dream situation for you, A Dream location.
And I remember when you called me and we talked you were talking about the opportunity of me. That's it's a cool thing to see somebody have the opportunity to go teach and kind of. I mean, I mean, really kind of build it from the ground up from scratch a little bit. But in do and do a Premiere, excellent Learning Center. Yeah, I mean, this is a, we did kind of have a clean slate but we had a big Advantage because we were in Hawaii number one.
At an incredible place, but it's a pretty good reasons. It's not a bad place to hang your hat, but we also have this incredible teaching building 3,000 square feet. We've got three days, we've got trackman range, you know, all
the tech you could ever want. And, you know, for me, I love teaching without the tech, but to have the tech right here, when we want to use it as an amazing opportunity, for sure, how has the tech because I know, you know, we joke around and you know, obviously the public or a driving range type. Operation in Los Angeles. And so obviously, you're really good on the tech. You've been a resource for me that I bounce stuff off of four years, but don't always use it.
Don't always have it at your disposal every day on the t, is it changed? Health influence your PT midday today. Having it there all the time. Kind of, how have you mean, what's the effect been on having all that stuff? Just curious, you know, it's a great question. I know I should probably say that I found a new respect for it, and it's the greatest thing
ever. But To be honest, like, I always respected it. I'm glad I know all about it, but to me on the grass with the client, you know, a player whether the regards to their skill level, being able to see the club, hit the ground, watch the ball, fly in the air, you can't beat that. Yeah, I would agree with that. You know, it's interesting, I have it obviously at my disposal at Frederick a, you've been there. It's interesting, but I still don't think it replaces.
What we do out on the grass? Watching the ball watching, how a player does it without, you know, because I think it to me and I'd like your opinion on this as well. Like when you have a player and I'm going to use the swing Catalyst for example because I have one but I can get them on the swing Catalyst. Everything squared up. You know like it basically aims you, right?
Yeah. You know, everything squared up framed up nice and you're just you're hitting out at this target out of a hike to me that's totally different than on a tee where there's nothing down. No references and you got to hit it at a Target. That's Tony. Why I love your wisdom because that is so true. Like you can get somebody in a bad, you've got all everything taken care of for them.
It always looks good, it looks pretty decent and then you get on the golf course and I can't say because I love people taking people out on the course we have a huge Advantage here because we can take people out anytime we want and when I say people cannot set up, I mean, it blows my mind how bad people are at aligning themselves. Halfway decently having a clue about ball position. They don't adjust for the slopes at all the balls below their feet. You know. It's just something.
I think that yes you can do some great work in the bay and you can isolate some things but it isn't reality. Reality is on the golf course with the target with a problem, you know, wind or whatever it is and and being able to watch people actually play golf. I still think is the best way to help people get better. No question about it.
And I think that runs true from mid upper amateur level golfer Club level golfer to Junior golfers and Kudos to you, you've got some of the good young players from around that area coming out and working with you being able to practice it and that's really grow in the game. And then obviously you've got the tour players and that stuff and and that's fun. And we do some of that together. But like again that's it's cool to see what you're building there and it's been fun to
watch. I know I'm looking forward to what looks like, she will be in October visit for me over there in the fall. Can't wait for becoming awake and, you know, Tony on that point. Just I think what you said. It is so true, even we've experienced this with tour players, right? Practice round is great. Right?
Driving rain session is great, get on a golf course and some horrible shots and you're like, okay well that's different on the course than it was on the Range or in the practice round. Why is that the case in a tournament that happens and you know, I think that's that's why you. There's no there's no substitute for being on a golf course with somebody and watching and be able to play and compete.
What's your opinion for why? And I think this applies to any golfer been Level. Why is it sometimes so different from and we can use to or players here? Why is it so different sometimes from the range to the golf course? Because it is as a coach? Sometimes it's, I mean, we expect it. I think sometimes it's baffling. Yeah, I met. I wish. I had all the answers to that. I think like, you know, I've a really good friend, requesting housework. She was not called mourik our
great mental game coach. And, you know, he was talking about your state, you know, your state of mind and kind of where you are. If you're like on the You're
practicing, you're relaxed. You know, you do a lot of weird about the results and then you get on the course and all those things change and you want to I think for me what I found is if I can train people and stress them out when they're practicing, I have a better chance of them being effective on the golf course because they're used to that stress and used to that pressure rather than trying to relax them more
on the course necessarily. You know, I think is what we all try to get people to do. Brian times, I got to stress them out more on the Range, so the golf courses, More like it. I think both approaches pretty much apply, but I that's one of the things that I've done that, I think is to help keep in that
spot. One of the things I've learned a lot of stuff from you and I borrow stuff that we've done or you've done all the times, but one of the things that that I apply regularly is because Ali has a secret Elissa this, I do a lot of Retreats at Frederica, especially for for, for people
that want to get better. Especially competitive players that juniors in particular and I've stolen In your combine work, your combine or Rama. And I think the stuff you've put together from a short game perspective wedge in and what it is as far as a combine to train people. I think it's as good as anything out there and I'd love that you don't mind. I'm not, give away all your secrets, but expand on that, and why it works because I knew you do it religiously with your daughter.
Maddie, I've watched her progression and I think that's one of the coolest things I've seen in golf, but would love to talk a little bit. About you combine around. Yeah. So I think the whole premise behind all of it is we try to stack up a practice session so that the start of it is technical or a baseline block kind of thing. So let's say we're doing
putting, right? So we start maybe on the cutting wheel, I love The Cutting plates, we use the cutting plate, we do technical work for 5-10 minutes, then we go into a short, cutting combine of three, six and nine feet, always under pressure, and full routine. And then we kind of build into some longer putts and having to try and make Some birdie putt at 15 to 30 feet and then putting out those shorter ones. And I think if you train that you're keeping score your
monitoring, OK? If I miss left-to-right putt, slow, I want to write that down. And, and so there's a lot of data points there that really can help and your track it over time. The person on the course, then they have a background of putting under the gun. And in this combine under stress, they kept track of what their misses are. So they're aware of that. They've worked on the technical stuff that can help them improve
that they were. I'm putting out there really prepared on the golf course to any lengths spot, any brake pipe they're doing it. Under pressure in the combine, they can do it under pressure on the golf course. We work on routines a lot. We change basically are trying to ramp up all this practice session. So they're just like plane as much as possible, the stress and I think if you kind of apply that to all areas of the game, you've got to play ready to go as best as you can.
Instead of just taking three balls on the putting green and hitting them to the 20-footer which you're never going to make anyway. So it's just an Has practice which I love doing what I think. That's where I think that's one of the things. I like I've always known that practice needs to be more organized and even you know to me it's amazing how many really good players aren't very good at practice and I mean I'm talking to a player's.
It's amazing. How many of them if you walk the T, obviously they're better at it. Each level you go down then each level you go down. But it's amazing how many really good players aren't as good practice in as they could be? Yeah, I think we see that across. Board and sometimes they're really good in some areas that are not as good as they could be
another areas. I think, you know what I like to see from somebody as they have a nice mixture of technical practice combines and drills and then competitive things and then on the golf course work. You know? So that they're kind of touching all those all checking all those boxes as it were rather than being, okay? I'm just gonna be at the range, you know, or I'm just going to
play. I always want to mix it up so that, you know, I feel like we're getting different environments, different stresses still being a little technical but not too much and then getting on the golf course and trying to apply, which is think of everything. Yeah. And again, that I know from our talk, I mean that's everything to you and I think that's but I think that's why, you know, you look at the results you had. I think that's why your players play better and and play better
when it counts. Because if you do most of the work is geared towards stress and them and then helping them learn to apply it on the golf course. Why me when it comes time and they're on their own. I always say it's like it, you know, golf such a crazy game compared to, you know, I remember, we would talk all the time and when you were coaching soccer all the time for your daughter and you know, you're at every practice and every game.
Well, I mean, golf isn't that way for most are high schoolers and college players or whatever? We're not at all the games and we're not at every practice. And so I think helping a player learn to structure and get more out of practice is really important as far as gets to transfer and do the golf course. I agree. Totally.
I think you said it perfectly. I mean, I think every other sport we played growing up, we had a team environment and Coach ran the practice, there was an organized practice session. You know, you worked on whatever in the game didn't work in the last competition you had and then you feel more prepared to go for the next game you have, you know, in golf we just sort of you know guys take their 7-iron and Driver to the range and they pick at the same Target.
They just hit ball after ball at it and you know, that doesn't really get it done. They very rarely work on there. Or came enough and then there, you know, pittin 20-foot pots on the putting green, and then they're grabbing, you know, grabbing their clubs and off, they go.
And that's just not the way to get ready to go, a success and then they get frustrated when they don't play well, you know, I want my players to feel like they're prepared and then when they don't play well, we can always go right back to. Hey, we need to work on this some training and then we're a little more prepared for the next time it obviously there's no guarantees. We're just trying to take some of those variables, a way to help them be ready to go right
away. I agree that and So, let's shift to talk it about your daughter, Maddie, tell us what without going on with her and her game. I mean, like, if you watch the swings on Instagram, easiest thing for me to do when I'm flying, I peruse through. And look at those swings, man, she's gotten better, she's added some speed. I'm not like a huge numbers guy and I don't know the numbers but I can tell you, she's hit it harder and it doesn't take a
rocket scientist to figure that. And man, she's gotten good. What have you done with her? How have you helped her continue to improve of? Just kind of Curious, you know, I think it's fascinating teaching your own daughter and the job you've done and being a coach and being a father at the same time, I can only imagine his. I'm sure at times its challenges it is, but it's a labor of love and she's just really talented more talented than her old band,
that's for sure. I mean, you were around when she was sort of starting to be competitive. Yep. When I brought her out to Auburn that camp and that was a great camp for her and exposing her to Great teachers with you. And I both love to share information and with her, I think too. Try not to screw up. Now is really my main job. You know, she's a pretty athletic kid and has figured out her own little ways of doing things.
I think my experience of screwing people up in the past has helped me not screw up as much, in other words like her. Swing was a little longer last year and she was hitting a really good last year and it's gotten shorter now and you know, she was like, is it too short? I'm like, well, you're hitting it further now than you did before you're hitting hitting the even more solid than you did before. I don't see a reason to make it. Longer just so it looks longer
right on drums. Pretty good, you didn't take it very far back so you know so Xander softly so I think just trying to figure out let the player was apoplectic, run with the ball, you know, if they are better a little shorter than the average bear going back and so be it if they're longer, I don't care. You know. I just want it to feel like she owns it and it's not something I'm trying to make look a certain way and the more she owns it, the better, she's going to be under pressure, right?
She doesn't have to try and make somebody else's swing. She's just got To make her swing and she's improved a lot and working hard and, you know, we're on the journey. So we've got a great coach at Irvine, Julie Brooks, who's, you know, just an amazing lady and a great coach. And that's really made a big difference for Maddie and giving her an opportunity and she's running with the chance. So I'm super proud of her and looking forward to the future
with her. She's enjoyed your time in Hawaii to I could tell ya. I gotta say both both daughters you know Abby my youngest Abby she's doing all my Instagram stuff. She takes both Instagram accounts, she's doing all the filming, so she's great. She's having a ball that assessment. She's really good at it, and she's a good little player. She likes to check to hit it past her sister that makes a real happy. So, you know, there are a lot of
fun out here. And, you know, we're just so fortunate to be here during a pandemic. I can't even begin to tell you. So, you mentioned and I've alluded to this bad. People hear me. Say it all the time. You mentioned, not messing them up. Not screwing him up, I'd like your thoughts on that. I think that that for good
players. Ours is way more important and way bad more valuable to people think because I think and I and we're not going to talk about people as because it's not late enough for me to talk about people but that's a really good quality in a teacher, somebody that when they start thinks, I don't want to mess somebody up because there's a lot of construction out there in my opinion and there's a lot of people that will just take a player. It's good and try to put their stamp on them.
So everybody knows this person taught So true, so that they can stay on their videos and in an article or whatever. Well, they were way out of whack. So I went ahead and did this, and I want Europeans cuz you're the, I always tell people, you're wondering my wisest friends, like you really do. You always have good insight and like I mean I just think if they're already really good.
Brady like that's probably not really far off the track and they probably done most of the shit we're going to ask him to do at some point anyways. So Like not messing them up and being careful is a really valuable thing. I couldn't agree more. I mean, I try and be incredibly conservative that's what I tell them, you know. And on that point you made, which I think I have this little pet theory of the evolution of a teacher.
So when we start when we first start teaching, we are teaching kind of what we're working on, right? So we think we've discovered secret sauce or we're trying to work on something and so we teach everybody what we're working on and then you kind of grow past That level maybe find a pattern that really works, you know, and you counter use their
used. It yourself or you taught a player or a player came to you with that pattern which we know happens and then you're like wow that patterns really good. I'm going to teach that pattern to everybody, right? So then you become a guy who teaches one way to everybody and then I think you get to that last page and I think you're towing stage. I really can't understand that I believe that to be true and I think I know bushes as well.
Where instead of teaching what you're working on instead of teaching a pattern that worked for what? Empire. You actually teach that person on how to do it best for them and you do it mostly by working with them and talking with them it's like a discovery you know of the things that worked in the past so I'm trying to get to
that level. I'm trying to get to Tony and bushes level about it's a lofty goal, but I really think that's the way to do it. You know, like we get to this point, we want to let the player be the player and we just, we want to make sure we don't try and impose our will on them because generally speaking, they're already great this.
Let them be great. I know that I've had periods of time, I look at people that left me, you know, I'm sure I would imagine so well, I look at people that left me that I was really emotionally attached to because like I taught him since their kids, you know? And then you look back and you try to figure out, like, Why didn't it work or why did you get the person to where you wanted them to?
And I think as you cut and then, you know, it's like I don't think that answer just comes to you and you think about it over time and then I think it always comes back to like, well, you know, like the answer was right there like 10 to help them do what they were already good at doing. Instead of always trying to find like the Mist, like there's this magical herb that we're going to uncover. This kind of make them a tour player. Make them a winner and and I guess the longer I'm around out
there. I just think that, that magical herb would isn't there? No, there is no secret. You know, and I think the best coaches that I've ever seen are the ones that are really helping that player. Out why they're good. And then just writing that you know, like not trying to change who they are but just trying to exploit who they are when they're good.
And I really think that Instagrams can be and social media can be a little super misleading, but right because you're just people are putting up their players best stuff and they're not putting up the stuff when they're struggling. And you know, don't see where the ball went on a video online, right? So you don't know where the ball went and so it's just all very Aesthetic and it's not necessarily practical and, you know, I think it can be dangerous because a lot of people are watching.
I want to swing like that guy, you know, and really that can more often than us going to mess him up. Sure. I have a rule were like, I don't ever really put on Instagram anything. I'm working on with the player especially Tour player because I think that the if there's a lot of positives there's a lot of negatives but like I say, take this tour players or you know, they're in their own little Alden.
I think the biggest thing is they've got to believe what you're telling me and I think the - with Instagram is you can get some guy who's never taught anybody to hit a chip on the green and they can comment. Well don't you think that it's Trail arm this or trailer that and your player reads it as like you've never said anything about my right arm you know mistake that's that's why I never put anything up and there's some you know some jerk-off wants to comment on something.
Well, don't you think that? I just delete it baucom his high school, you know, like I don't really care. I mean if you or there's a handful of teachers want to call me and say hey I was looking at that video of. So and so have you thought about this? We talked for hours but from some guy on Instagram to the teach anybody, I don't think we're probably gonna let him
comment. Yeah, I think there's a lot of armchair coaching going on and I think, you know, Tony, that's one of the things I love about you is, you know, there's a lot of respect for the guys that do this for a living and I think You know, they don't necessarily want their stuff all over Instagram about they're working on and you know, we owe it to that as professionals if that's how they are.
We kind of respect that, we don't put it out there, trying to pump our own name up and and I think it matters. I think that that level of respect is they've earned that for sure. Look at how good they are and you and I feel the same way about that. I want them to be in their own space with they're working on with me is their business and nobody else. If they want to put it up, I'm all for it. But I'm not going to put it up myself.
That's for sure you and I it'd probably be slanted by some as a anti social media people. I mean it wouldn't be that hard to make that case but I think a lot of its cool. I love looking through it and I think that there's a real value to the average golfer at Club level golfer to be able to go on there and have access to some content. I mean I think a lot of it's good, you know.
I mean there's stuff I read through that's good but I still don't think that that replaces this kind of circles back to that question with you it's with, you know, And and all the nice stuff. You got there in Hawaii like that, still does it. Replace walking out on p with you and you watching the golf ball and watching them do it with nothing around know. And I think I would ask you this question because I think I know the answer to it.
How much of a value in percentage is a FaceTime lesson or a video Lesson that you're giving with a tour player worth versus being there in person. I hate it first. I think that also is it's a necessary, you know, one of my Things I've tried to get better at it. I don't know that I'm doing great at it, but is to try to be a little more understanding of the times we live, right?
And that like to say that I'm not going to get better at doing online lessons and people that want access to you that way, like I think I need to do that and I think I can be a little bit effective but I would still tell whether it's I mean, the SPAC I did a couple of them. This morning, I had a mimosa going and I was doing online. Lessons. And but like that still doesn't replace, have you put it in a percentage? I can't pause me.
I'd like to ask the student that sometime but I can't possibly think that that would be a third of the way as good as being there in person. And I know there's people that tell you and I watched some of these like you know these folks that are huge just online and like that's all they do one-eyed. Wonder like how do you not fall asleep every day but two Like I mean and they say it's great.
There's no way that can be as, as good learning is being in front of you and I know that there's people that don't have access to Great teachers and money, whatever. There's lots of reasons to do it, but I still don't think that makes it better than standing in front of you.
I couldn't agree more and I think, yeah, there's a value to it. I mean, people that are able to send videos in and you can give them some feedback on what's going on, but boy, it requires a lot of conversation with that person in advance, right? Like what? What's your Miss? What's your good child's life? You know how far is that do and you hit it off the toe or the heel. I mean there's a huge conversation that has to happen at forehand.
That makes that virtual lesson a little bit better and if your students into a net sending you video and you can't see anything about what the ball did, you're only just looking at like technique, right? Yeah. And we know that there's a lot of weird technique that works so I think it's better than no lesson and it helps.
If you have that conversation Advance about everything that's going on with the ball flight in the mist and everything but you know ultimately Mately. There's still no substitute for being in person with somebody on graphs watching hit balls and getting on the golf course. That's the best way to get better 100% And and look, I'd do it a lot of stuff on Gillis. I had Baden chap. I don't know if you know, but you would enjoy talking with him from Australia.
And he, he owned Skillet stand and really tries to put together a great online community. And I've gotten more and more into it and I enjoy it. And I enjoy it from the aspect as me as a teacher. Like, it challenges me, try to figure it out. Online, but I still don't think
that replaces. If you did go stand with me instead of sending a video and, you know, and from a tour player I think that it's I mean I think that you'd have a hard time, fixing a tour player all the time by just watching videos of them exchange well and you would are living that right now.
And I think that's that's why, you know, I value your friendship and also your professionalism because you know you know I trust you and then and you've been a great resource This for me, as a teacher guide keeps its on tour.
And then you've been even eyes for me out there with him and, you know, found some things that I wouldn't have found just because you're great at what you do and I think, you know, as a coach you know, put your ego aside and being looking out for your players well-being and their best interest is that's what I want to do. I want to be, I want to be that guy rather than the guy that's worried that somebody's going to you know, do something better than I do.
I could care less. I want my players get better. So right that's why you know, having that In person thing makes a big difference on and you know so folks listening you've taught Brandon Hagee for ever since he was a kid and the eeo, obviously, all the way to the PGA Tour.
I mean kids, unbelievable and unbelievable talent and unbelievable human being, which is more important than any of it. Which I also think speaks volumes about what you do because you don't have never met any young person that you've taught at any point. Dime that's a jerk and he can't say that about everybody. That speaks volumes for for what you're doing. But, so we started, you know, it's the first time I've ever done this kind of like, I'm the substitute teacher.
Like, I'm the pinch-hit teacher coming out and help them with Brandon while he's on the road and you're in Hawaii and stuff it. So, go ahead and talk a little bit about Brandon and what you've done and what we're doing together and how it's different. Yeah. So you know, I'm in Hawaii, I can't get out there as much as I'd like to right now especially during the pandemic and, you know, it's great to have somebody in the business.
You trust that, you know, they What they're doing and even can add some stuff to what you're doing as a coach and so Tony's been kind enough to jump in and and help out Brandon while he's out there and I'm not there. And you know I think it's been a really good combination Brands, played some great rounds of golf over the last two months and I, you know, I credit a lot of that to Tony and and I think you know, like we were saying that mean in this case, two brains are better than one.
Two sets of eyes are better than one. Sometimes you can get a little caught up in old stuff if you're, if you've been with somebody a long time and it's Nice to have somebody else there. Who could maybe see things from a different perspective or explain it in a way that maybe resonates differently. So it's been a great coaching opportunity for me and learning opportunity. And I think, you know, I'm
looking forward to you. And I doing more of these in the future to because they think it's a really good combination. I think could be really effective. Yeah, you know, I've always done bits of it the other way, like I always think about self as, you know, the Bim redneck. So like I said, you know, but I always shared videos and brought tons of people in to help my folks. Right, you know. And yeah, I mean I can't paint. If you charged me a dollar for every video I've sent you to
look at people over the years. My gosh, you could buy that Resort down there, but but it's been fun doing this together and I've learned a ton from working with you and from working with Brandon, and it's been fun but it's different, you know? I mean, I just watch. I think that's one thing that's interesting about going on the PGA tour and you look at a bunch of the teachers are some of the personalities.
And the personas and the images and, you know, a little bit and I mean that you know, I don't know that, that's my specialty my image but we've had, we've had a blast doing it and I mean, it'd be interesting to some point we had asked Brandon, if he likes it but you know he's played a little better and it's been fun but I don't think in any form or fashion we've changed anything y'all were doing.
No I think you just explained it in a different way and you actually used, you know some tech with him. I think that he enjoyed I think that was You know, I think we're in such a world weird business, you know, when you're dealing with a pro player and everybody's, you know, kind of like like a nervous Nelly Nancy right here. I mean, we're seeing out there around like cats in a room full of rocking, chairs waiting for somebody to take our job, and it's just the nature of the Beast.
It's going to happen anyway. So for me, it's just it's a little easier just to find something that I like that I could trust and then we could work together and, you know, it's like said maybe down the road, maybe we're trendsetters, Tony maybe the guy I from Hollywood, California. And the dude from the south or are really, we figured it out. Who knows who I think did it, you know?
Don't you think that that goes like tomorrow weather permitting, which is a big cross country right now, you know I'm going to La and Robbie Sheldon are going to go visit with Scotland dr. Lin and just to give another point of view perspective on something we've been working on and so I think that that's valuable I mean I don't know and I think there are more teams out Now, I mean, I wash them Mark Blackburn. I know he's got a group of people around him. I know Chris Como does and I
think he see more of that. But yet still, I mean, I think the more even teachers to collaborate instructors, could collaborate all the player. I mean, I think it's healthy. I do to make it takes, sort of a, I don't know. I'd gotten old enough that I don't care.
I just want to do what's best for, for my player rather than worrying about me. So, and it's been only been good for me, you know, and good and Most importantly has been really good for Brandon so I couldn't think of anybody better to hang out with anyway. The two of us. Now the figure out a swing in one of us will have the right idea. Right? Maybe more than a model hook, yours will fade. Exactly, exactly. That's why in all we're with all
works together. We're straight together who spent all day together, stay together, all stuff. Hey, the first man, I'm proud of you and happy for what you doing down there in Hawaii. I think that one I love it when a person cases their dream and goes and does what the hell they want to do. And I think it's cool. You got going on down there in Hawaii and the move you're making over there man. Kudos it's awesome.
Thanks Tony. I mean we had a lot of conversations about it and you were very positive about, you got to go and you're right. As usual, it's been a great situation for me. So I know you're doing the same on your end and you know when you come out here in October, I promise you a good time, 100% here in peace, trust me just wait till I get that. But now also, you know, continued success to you and Maddie, you mean Me and watching
that. I mean, in anybody listening, follow him on social media, it's a cool deal. I think anytime I've got a daughter that's 26, and I've told you this on the phone, she's got her real estate license and selling out. Like you're just proud of when your kid finds what they want to do and is having fun and you can support, heck. Yeah. No Lex very, very lucky for sure. No doubt and the you and Brandon and I appreciate the little bit of a piece. I've been able to hang out and
watch. It's been great for me and man, I can't wait till we tape like 15 of these. Down to Hawaii next October. All we're going to do is turn the recorder on everywhere we go. It's going to be it's going to be gold. Tony is for sure. We may have three people listen to it, but it will still be good to you. No doubt about it. My bad. All right, buddy, you're the best. Hey, travel safe. I know you're heading back over Stateside and we got lots going on down there.
I'll look forward to catching up with you soon and I look forward to talking more with you down there. Aloha Tony. Hello, Hobbies, goodbye. Indeed and hello. We'll see you soon.