Should you have two drivers in your golf bag? A three wood? A mini driver. There's a lot of questions it seems like. A lot of people. Are doing a lot of different stuff and today we're going to dive into it. You are listening to the golf well podcast. My name is Cory Walker. I am your host and this is a show all about getting better at golf. It's diving into all the strange tactics, habits, performance, gear, tech, all that stuff that helps us get better at the game.
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really interesting happened. So hopefully at least once a month, twice a month, kind of join y'all here with an interesting guest to talk through a topic. And today we were talking with Marty Gertz and he is the VP of fitting and performance of Ping. And I saw his tweet from Neil Shipley talking about he how he has two drivers in the bag. And it was it was pretty interesting. And so I reached, I was like, man, you got to tell me what? You guys were doing? Like how are you thinking about
this? And and like should I put 2 drivers in my golf bag? Honestly, that was a question and he answered all those and more. Great conversation. Appreciate his time. Hopping on. Yeah, let's get back into our our first. Golf Ball podcast, it's pretty cool. All right, Marty. So we are having a chat on Twitter about Mini Driver because Neil Shipley had this really great little insight about how he has this cut down driver that only carries 280.
His normal driver carries 300. That's kind of an interesting thing. And and so I wanted to hear like, what are you guys building over over there and like, what are some of these clubs that tour pros are asking for from you? Yeah, no, it's, it's been fun. We've seen cadabbling of this over like, let's call it the last 10 years, you know, whether it's Phillip Augusta, but maybe it's sort of clouded with, well, he needs to draw a club in a
slice club, you know. But then we've seen other players do it, like Ben Silverman, PJ Tour player. He's he's played our 12° G 410 is his second driver for a long time. Nobody knows about it. You know, it's like not in the news in the media. Well, then Fast forward today, we got folks like what Fee now did at the Masters last year, a couple years ago, you got Neil Shipley doing it. We got Preston Summerhays
playing like a 12° driver. And what these guys are kind of realizing, Cordy, is that if you hit the ball far, if you're playing big golf courses, tour golf courses, you just really don't need your 3 foot off the ground that much. Or is a percentage of like your contribution to your score like hitting the high three would into a par 5 and make an eagle? Like those days are kind of gone. Like it's just not that important.
It's so rare of a shot that and then as far as these guys are hitting the ball now, the Neil Shipley's like hitting the fairway and optimizing that tee shot for accuracy is a premium, right? And like the moment of inertia you get in, let's say a 12 degree G440 Max driver is literally three to five times more than a three would.
And so like there your, your ability to, to improve your like left, right dispersion, your cone, however you want to measure it can go up like you, you could reduce your left right dispersion by 40 to 60%. We've seen in our testing and that's what these guys are doing on on the tour level. To walk me through it. So I would have my normal driver that's maxed out for distance and dispersion and whatever. I don't know what the guys are playing out, but 45 1/2 or
something like that, right? And then they're going to get another, another driver, more loft in the head, much shorter shaft and then less club at speed, more spin kind of deal. Is that OK? Yeah. So you really what we're doing from the build and fitting standpoint is you're using a the loft and we use our 12° you know, usually are you know is our G430 now G440 Max 12° head is our go to head. Then we can use our sleeve to kind of dial in the loft and that head has a true loft at the
middle of like 13 1/2 degrees. So it's it says 12 on the sole, but it's really in the in the face center it's 13 1/2 degrees. So that adds spin, adds a lot of loft as a lot of control obviously. Then we use the shaft length to kind of get it to go the distance you need it to. So we built these as short as like 42 inches and up to like 43 1/2. The sweet spot is really like 43 inches. If you take your 3 wood shaft, plug it in there, obviously we got to adjust the head weight,
swing weight. It'll be about 43 1/4 inches and that's about what I play mine like. I just plugged a three wood shaft in there. And it doesn't just balloon like it just doesn't go you you're fitting it so it goes lower. It launches low, you know, cuz it's like, OK, most of the guys when you're hitting off the tee, you quarter, you tee it low obviously. So you know those folks out there, you know the face has curvature on it left to right. That's called the bulge.
Then you got the top bottom curvature called the roll. And when you tee it low or hit off the ground, like where the loft of where you hit it is much lower than that 13 five S, most folks when they hit it off the tee, you're going to tee it pretty low. I mean Arizona Cordy like Bermuda in the summer. I just like little miniature Laura Davies type thing. You know, you can just put a little tough to grass and just chip it, chip it off the ground
and have tons of control. So where you're hitting it has less locked. So it's it's it's lower launching usually based on T height and it's short. So the shorter you go, the more the handles going to be the forward at impact, right? Like the like, I don't know, a wedge, you know what I mean? You got tons of shafling.
So you're getting more shafling to launch it lower and use that shaft length to control the ball speed and get your what you're optimizing for is like a certain distance, you know, obviously. And then how can I maximize accuracy at that? Whatever it is, Shipley, it's 280 for me. It's like 275, you know, so it's like a it's a distance like I
needed to go, go this number. And then how can I minimize the dispersion for a club for for a shot that goes 270 to 280 and using literally a driver head this 460 CCS and near somewhere in the ballpark of 10,000 Moi combined is is just astonishing how straight you can hit it. Interesting. OK. And and so you're aiming to hit it on the lower part of of the driver to keep the to keep it
lower then. Generally speaking, I mean, I think different that's a different players can have different T height strategies like Cordy. I'll give an example of myself. I've been using this build for like 2 years now and it's really fun in Arizona golf, like desert golf. But let's say I have like a drivable par 4 that's, you know, maybe it's 300 and a little downwind or may, you know, and you maybe you want to fly it, you know, missing short of the green or front bunk or
something's good. I'll tee it up and send it, launch it high, tip back a little bit more like, you know, do all those things and launch it, you know, whatever, 14 to 16°. But my stock one, the Fairway Finder, you can tee it low and kind of chip it out there. Got it. So you actually have a lot of diversity in the from that perspective. So why wait? Are you putting us in the bag with your normal driver? Like do you have both in the bag
100? Percent. You do OK, Yeah, got it. Do most guys or how do? How are most people doing it? Yeah, totally. And, and, and this is the nuanced insight and I think what we're doing so much cool research here at the proving grounds and like mining data, a big thing, Cordy, that we're trying to do is be like, how are people playing golf on the golf course? And how can we make club fitting? And like, how do you optimize the 14 clubs in your bag is going to be very different for
everybody. So the big insight with this, you know, we call it, we like to call it the thriver 3 wood driver or macro driver, is that if you hit the ball far, when I say far, like 280 or more, you're going to you're going to hit your lowest lofted fairway wood or club, whatever it is in this case, going to be a driver off the tee a majority of the time. And we have the sweet chart.
I think you saw it on that infographic, like if you hit the ball 300 yards, you're going to hit your three would off the ground 80% of the time on average. And that's a conglomeration of big data from our Arcos partnership that looks like like the percentage of the time you hit off the ground versus the turf. Obviously, Courtney, there's going to be exceptions. If you play certain golf course where like all the par fives you're ripping 3 would in for your second shot to this ratio
is going to change. But that's kind of a a high level finding. So that's why this really primarily is a club for the fast swing speed players because the three would is off the ground is just proportionally such a not an important shot overall on your scoring from a strokes game scoring standpoint. But on the flip side, Cordy, let's say you drive the ball 200 yards, you're actually it's going to it's going to teeter totter. We're now hitting it off the ground.
You're going to hit this lowest off to Fairwood off the ground 80% of the time in, maybe never hit it off the tee, and then the 50 spot is right at 250 yards. You're going to hit off the ground in the tee with equal priority. And this is driving how we're designing the fairway woods, how we test them, how we optimize them, how we fit them. Like quite often you go in as a better player and they're like, OK, let's hit 3 woods and you're just trying to roast them off
the deck. Well, you might rarely need that shot. And then the, the high handicappers like, oh, let me tee this up for you. You're having a hard time hit off the ground. Well, actually, no, you need to go to our new 4 wood or A5 wood or something like that to hit it off the ground successfully. So we're using big data to inform our design decisions and then our club fitting protocols. This is just a perfect example of that. Crazy.
OK, so the new pitch is I guess that you're telling most players that you hit over 280 get 2 drivers then? I like that idea. And you hit it under, you hit it 220. What would be the tip? Is it the 55th? I mean 225, somebody has to drive 225, Then yes, let's get a four wood or three wood. Yeah, I like, I like, hey, if you're in the if you're around, if you if you drive it 225 or less your your number one
priority with your fairway wood. And this could be either our three wood four we launched A4 wood this year. This date is all kind of part of our decision to bring a forward into our G440 family Cordy or like 5 wood, just a lot of great fitting options. Prioritize hitting that ball off the ground, right? You're going to need that into long par fours. You're going to need, you know long for you. You're going to need that into par fives quite a bit. Like most of the time.
Just assume like pretty much every time you're hitting that ball off the ground. And if you're 250, if you're 250 player, so let's say like ±25 yards. If you're 225 to 275, give equal priority to hitting off the ground, off the tee. Even where you're going in for a fitting, you're fortunate enough to get. Go to the outdoor fitting environment. Hit half of your shots off the tee, half of them off the ground. Consider both of the performance impacts of both of those with equal weight.
Then if you're a fast swing speed player, obviously consider your golf course. If you play one course, you're always now off the ground. Put a little more priority to hit off the ground, but if not, try this 12° driver build. Plug a fairywood shaft in there and see if you like it. We've seen incredible results. Got it. Is it pretty automatic that if you if you cut it down that short and go with that loft that it goes about 20-30 yards shorter? Is that pretty much standard for
most people? Yeah, Yeah, Let's say you hit your driver. I should, you know, Shipley's a good example. I'd be another good example. My colleague here, Jim Canals, came straight off the tour, put one in the bag and Monday then to San Diego this year, using the thriver, hitting the thriver off the tee a few times. Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be about for somebody who drives it 300 yards, about 25 yards shorter, you know, 2025 yards shorter. And then you just have a lot of
flexibility. You can tee it high and draw it if you want to. You could tee it low and fade it. There's some interesting things that happened with the gear effect that if you hit low on the face, it'll impart a little bit of cut spin. There's a there's a big advantage, yeah. You actually have a little bit more versatility and shot shaping with this club as well. Got it, got it. I I think for me it makes the most sense because yeah, I I
never had a A3 wood into. I mean, I resonate with that just from anecdotally. Like I'll I'll bash a hybrid more likely than hit a three wood up next to a green just because I want the control because of the three wood it feels like has such a bigger dispersion than hitting a hybrid. Into a. Into a. Par 5, so that makes sense.
And then when I have like last year, I I got back into tournament golf a bit and I think one of the first qualifiers I played of the year, it was a three what off the second tee box just because you needed to be under 280 or something like that, right. So, you know, I step up there and I had AI don't remember what club I had at the time, but I just I topped it right into the lake right in front of me and it
was it was wonderful. It was a great way to start the day and I mean I didn't hit that club the rest of the year. It was like this is I'm done. I'm never doing that again. Cordy, I kind of view it as like, let's say you're a pretty good player like yourself or myself, you can kind of folks get kind of the heebie jeebies with maybe putting. They get the heebie jeebies with shipping.
And then for the but the for the better player, sometimes you can get a little fragile on your 3 foot off the tee. Like for me, I played in like my very first major championship, I played in Atlanta Athletic Club. It's like a it's 100%. So you need a 27280 shot dog legs right to the left. I cannot draw a drive around there. I'm so nervous and I'm in my first tee shots with this with like, you know, our our G4 is G 10 fairway wood or something at the time is like pretty small and compact.
And I was so nervous and I did the same thing. I got paired with Victor Hovlin and when I qualified for the waste management a few years ago in the first tee shots like you normally just hit like a driving iron or hybrid down there and I'm so nervous. I didn't have the thriver yet. I teed my regular big driver down is not the right shot, but I'm like so nervous. I just had to do it just to chip it down there. And nowadays like I'll get just
as nervous on the first tee. I that's always like kind of my thing and I always like fear that first tee shot if it's not a driver. And now if you play this club like it's literally automatic, you can go down there, you can get steep on it, you can take a divot if you want. That ball's going down the fairway. That's so funny. I guess it's a common thing. I've just never talked about this with anybody. The fears of yeah, that there's nothing worse than a first tee
shot 3 would or like. Oh. Yeah, you nailed it. You nailed it. It's like you got to go like I need to go to therapy over this and it's dead. I just like I I consider this club like a anti anxiety club. OK, got it. What? So why, I mean, as mini driver ever cross your guys's like development path like, hey, we should we should build a a mini drivers. They're just like, no, we like this strategy of just going normal driver. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's somewhere always researching.
It's like how much there there's a trade off to how easy it is to hit off the ground like these you do, you are trading that off like you can't get the big high cut floaty 1 overlake into a par 5. But it's very functional off the ground. Like you see good players hitting regular driver off the regular DoD's like this thing is very functional. I've made eagles hitting this thing from from 280 on a par 5 and things of that nature.
So it's always something we're researching, but I think we've seen these players like if you're going to go in on mini driver, thriver, 2 wood, whatever second driver club in your bag, why not just go macro like the the moment of inertia when we've measured some of like the mini drivers fairy woods out there again, they're they're like, you know, half what they would be is if you just went all the way to the big 1.
So it's like we've seen really good success with it, but some somewhere, you know, continue to study and test. But I think this category is kind of like here to stay for the for the faster swings speed player. You'll see players convert into this and never go back to a three wood right? Have you had players just like ditch the long driver and just. Hit this one too.
And just stick with this. You know what, there's an interesting like Thristan Lawrence is one of those, Tristan Lawrence, He's one of those that plays his driver at like 43 1/2. Okay, he's an oddball. He is an oddball today where he plays his regular driver like at that length and obviously he did good, almost won the Open Championship last year playing it in the wind and just a totally crafty player, super shot maker. He's like the only one that plays like this short of a
driver as his gamer driver. Like we actually see the opposite trend from the rest of our tour players at 45 and a half a lot at 46. Then things things of that nature. I think if you play these two you can you can re optimize your regular driver to be a little bit longer asked for longer distance.
I mean, I find it hard. Went down and hung out John Sinclair and and did an awesome fitting with him and came home with a 45 1/2 and a 46 and he was really trying to convince me that I needed the 45 1/2 because I hit it more solidly. But you just can't take those extra two or three mile an hour out of my bag when I put the 40. You're not going to convince me that I need the shorter one that goes slower. Like I don't know how, I don't know how to get over that hump.
But it's like it's, it's a real difference, like a meaningful difference going to 46 and just trying to get as fast as you can with with that club. Yeah, totally Cordy. We, we actually built a tool we have, we have this great fitting tool called Pink Copilot and we built this for all of our fitters out there. I mean, we have 4000 fitting accounts using this copilot tool. And one of the little widgets in there is that you can do a
strokes game comparison. Let's say you're, you could collect data on your own launch monitor at home and you feed in like the the distance gain between those 245 1/2 and 46. And then you punch in your like offline standard deviation from track man. Or if you got a quad, it's like the side number in there and the plus or minus standard deviation and it's just you're just putting in the cute for left,
right dispersion. And then you plug in your handicap because the importance of distance to accuracy is contextual to your skill level, your handicap, because then strokes can compounds on the way into the green and then also your course difficulty, right. So if you plan a tight course, very penalizing out of bounds water or whatever, we actually you could yeah, we have a little slider in there. You can pick your golf course difficulty and you run a a computation rooted in strokes gained.
Like all of Mark Brodie's calculations are right in there to say, OK, maybe you hit it Cordy like 10 yards for further with the 46, but your dispersion is like 2 yards wider. Would that be a positive strokes gain or not? And the answer is yes. For a better player, the ratio is 2 to 1. So if you gain 10 yards, as long as you don't increase your dispersion by more than five,
that is a positive strokes gain. And this is the calculus that the tour players I think are naturally they've, they've naturally iterated their way to we have this compute, they can run it. Probably guys like Bryce have literally run this, you know, if folks like Chris Como. So we, we can, we can run the numbers, but we can also do this in a fitting protocol to help inform that that that decision should you go longer or shorter in your, in your fitting.
So it's it's really cool to be fitting using strokes gain analytics. Got it. So if my so the two to one rule, if my normal driver is 70 yard wide dispersion, yes, I can gain. If I can gain 10 more yards but and go to 75 yards, then that's a that's an acceptable trade off. Yes, yes, absolutely. And the ratio of distance to accuracy, if you're a less skilled golfer that hits it shorter, it's even more of a premium to distance and accuracy. That ratio is 3 to 1.
So let's say you're A10 handicapper above that drives it shorter than 250 yards. That calculus is then three to 1, you know, so it's a good kind of heuristic 2 to one for like the fast swing speed, better players, 3 to one for 250 and below, higher handicappers. Or, you know, you use our pink Copilot tool that does all the nuance computation down to the nearest, you know, one 100th of a strokes game point, you know. I'm going to have to do that. That's great.
I love that. So the thriver really has to be more accurate then if you're taking 20 or 25 yards off your normal driver, you got to get 10 yards tighter in your dispersion. Yes. That sounds hard. That sounds challenging. Yes, the well, what should the the way to think about the the the the thriver is to compare it to a three wood, right. You want to compare it to a three wood. So compared to a three wood, our testing is you'll hit it at
least 40% tighter dispersion. I mean that is like gigantic. So if we plug those numbers, I think I did this. Let me see if I can pull up our our copilot thing. Yes, you plug those numbers into our strokes game calculator, like let's say both of them core to go exactly 270 and you tighten your dispersion by 40%, you're going to gain 1.8 strokes gained driving. Just do that tighter dispersion, right. Does that make does that make sense? Yeah, yeah.
I'll send you a little graphic on that from our from our strokes gain calculator. OK. And that's what you're saying when people hit the hit the thriver versus the three win then? Yeah, like, yeah, off the tee, both on course analytics captured from on course play as well as testing here with player testing at the Pink Proving Grounds. We do a nice job of kind of our protocol that we do the testing. You know, we have folks aimed between a couple poles out there
that are 20 yards wide. We game a fire, we score it. We have a, you know, we put a little heat on them and pressure on them. We have a little leaderboard. Players really focus in, they cycle between clubs, make sure they kind of cleanse their palate, not getting the groove from block prop, etcetera. Got it, got it.
I guess the last thing then would be building like one of these things we talked about earlier, but like, yeah, we're cutting down to like a I've got your graph pulled up here. But like a 5 wood shaft then is what you're what you're doing pretty? Much, Yeah, either 3 wood or five wood shaft. I mean, again, it kind of just depends on like what distance you're trying to optimize for.
I think as a default, if you plug a three wood shaft in there, that's a good way to go. Then you have to get the head weight up. So if somebody orders it from us ping directly, we build it to the perfect head weight through, you know, a combination of added weight to the head and our CG shifter. We can hit AD 3D four swing weight just fine. You know, you can use the I think we get questions around do I need to tip the shaft more and
things of that nature. I think just generally just as a fairway wood shaft, a three wood shaft, maybe 10 grams heavier than your in your driver shaft is you can just think of the shaft fitting the same as you would a three. Would some folks go a little flatter and they use our trajectory tuning sleeve like I play it in the our flat dot position with just three degrees flatter. That just keeps a little more cut bias for me.
And then I be I put the seat big old honkin CG shifter in the back, which helps tune the left right bias. It's nice to have that option because some players want to have this club be a little more draw bias. I'm kind of uses more a little more cut bias And then if I want to draw an IT high. So we have a lot of good fitting options on that front. But three wood shaft D3D4 swing weight if you're kind of traditional swing weight player.
And yeah, it's, it's, it's a fun, it's a super fun build. How far off? So if someone wants to go play around at this like how far off is the swing weight going to be if I just go literally take my 3 wood shaft? It's going to be a lot if you're, if you want to tinker with it at home or get it, you got an extra 12° head around, you have to just load it up with some lead tape. You know, you know, I'm probably 1215 grams of lead tape somewhere in that ballpark. Got it.
So if someone wants to, wants to mess around with it, just just have your lead tape on hand and yeah. Exactly, exactly. But you know, if you want build an optimize or order an optimize one from us, we'll build it perfectly. Is this an option? Like you guys have this on the site where you can. Yeah, it's like a little secret menu option. You know, it's like it's like going to in and out and getting an animal style. We could definitely do it.
We got a great build spec little graphic you have is actually kind of our guide to fitters for how to order it, what to use, what to consider why, why to do it. So we're we're definitely seeing a little uptick in this. Yeah. You know, it is a little nichy because it in my opinion, because it is kind of faster, better players only. But again, I I think it's a category. It's going to be here to stay. Sorry, one more nerd nerdy question here.
If we're, if we're trying to fit fit for this, are we looking for a higher spin rate than normal and like a higher launch than normal or what? What are we looking for? Yeah, again, I think it's very, very dependent according on T height and and and play, you got a lot of options. You can go really high on the T height like your regular driver if you T it medium or high or you can go super low.
So my preference and I think what we've seen most of the tour guys do is T it kind of low to medium low and get their attack angle more down. And as your attack goes down, your spin goes up. So so like that's a big thing, like the players, you're going to get more down on it and when you get more down, your spins going to go up. So I think when you think about spin rate, you want to keep this thing like over 3000 depend on your attack angle.
So if you tee it low and you hit more down, it's it's actually a good thing to have your spin like, you know, between 3 three thousand 3500 for like a stock one. And then obviously if you tee it higher, hit a little higher in the face, maybe level out your tacking a little bit, you can take spin off. Got it, got it. Why the 12° head? Is that just cuz then you can have a more down attack angle on it? Is that why? Yeah, Just to get it to go short
enough. OK, We have all kinds of really cool tools to help find the perfect launch and spin for a driver fitting. And a bunch of our fitters and customers, Cordy were like, well, I need a optimizer for irons. And the question was like, well, what are you trying to do on your irons? And if it's maximized distance, you end up just working your way to our driver chart, which is like gives you for angle of attack and ball speed. Like it gives you the perfect
launch and spin to find. Then you could kind of tune based on golf ball on top of that. And and we like doing that here a ping as well. But yeah, it's, it's, it's because you're trying to hit a certain number in that 12° loft. Again, the actual loft down, it's 13 five is a very nice sweet spot to kind of hit your distance number. Got it, got it. I think we've I think we've got all the details on on a thriver
now. I I think that everyone is fully equipped at this point to either decide, yes, I absolutely need one to go order one right now or, or decide. I don't know what the other option is to, you know, maybe potentially top a three it off the tee the next time they go
play. Yeah, I was. I think it's just like it's one of those things that I think better players like we talked about Cordy, like your experience or mine, it's like it's kind of in your either your conscience or maybe in your subconscious, you know, it's like one of those things that like hindsight's 2020 like, Oh yeah, I don't ever hit this off the ground. Oh yeah, I do get really nervy always with my with my three
wood, you know what I mean? And it can make a really big difference to your scoring in Arizona golf court. All the section tournaments I play, I hit this club a ton because it's just like Targety, you know, like the farewell run out at 290. It's like, OK, I got to just chip one down there and have MY150 shot in. So it's going to be how important this club is. It's going to be contextual to the player where they're playing
golf. But there there's a lot of good players out there that that need this club and might be a little fragile with their with their three wood. All right. Well, this is good. What else is on the secret club ordering menu is. There any other clan? That I need to know about. We we got we got we got a lot of tricks up our sleeve here. But no, I think the Thrivers kind of probably the the most the, you know, the most fun and valuable secret menu option that
we got. Cool. I love it dude, thanks for the time. And wait, actually, where on the site do I go to order one of these? Hold on, let's give people the full full info in case they need. To go, yeah, no, no, no. Go find a fitter, man. Ping, we have a great network of highly trained fitters. So what you'll want to do is go out and you go to ping.com and
go to our find a fitter tool. You can even filter by folks who have different launch monitors who are using our copilot, who are doing ball fitting, who are pink proving ground certified. So we got a great find a fitter tool. I would go on there, type in your zip code, get a rank ordered list on our find a fitter tool and and go ask about it. Perfect. And then if I want to do that copilot thing that you mentioned, we're plugging that in.
Can anyone do that or is that just for fitters that? Are right now it's a tool reserved for our fitters Cordy, but over the next few years we're going to make some more of these tools available directly to consumers, which would be really fun. I will direct folks to a couple really cool tools that we have. One is called Web Fit Wedge for wedge fitting. This is help you find your grind and gapping on your wedges. It's really cool.
So if you Google that or go to our site Web Fit Wedge, we have an awesome fitting tool for consumers called Web Fit Junior that fits our Prodigy product. So if you got a kiddo getting into the game and it helps you build their bag, it does gapping for your kid. Like if you put in your kids age or if you have their ball speed or driver distance, we'll gap their entire set, which kids have no idea how far they hit the ball. So it's really good.
So that's a really good one. And then we just launched our new Scottsdale putter line and we built a web fit putter tool, which is not meant to replace an in person fitting, but it's kind of to help you narrow down like which models might be really good for you. So there's a couple really cool tools consumers, consumers can play around with. And I would think about if your consumer think about those tools as like your practice round for your fitting.
So do that before you go in for your fitting. You have a major jump start and you'll be kind of a little bit more targeted and and surgical for things to to look for and to be more educated. Tweet I'm actually excited about that junior one. I got to get my I got to get my 7 year old some some new clubs that keep. Perfect timing man, I got a 8 year olds. Yeah I would love your feedback on it.
Go to web fit junior. Just takes like a couple minutes to enter their height, wrist to floor, how far they hit the ball, a few other things. And then you can play around with Cordy. How many clubs you you want in their bags? So like a full bag of junior clubs I think is 11. But like your 7 year old, you might only want to go like odds or evens, you know, start with a little starter set and it will kind of do that for you and it'll give you the gaps like, oh, what if I had one more club?
The gaps will get a little shorter. What if I had a little more and it you can print out APDF that has a yardage card that you can print out put in your yardage book. So when you're caddying for him at his little club tournament, you'll you'll have a little idea how far you can hit a good shot basically. Sweet sick. I love that. Is that the future? You're trying to build as many tools like that as you can and like try to empower.
People, absolutely, yes. So my team is working on we want to have the best tools for our fitters and then we want to have have our golfers like our customers be super educated, be empowered, go into your fitter, ask them really good questions, have like a really good jump start on what things you should be should be considering. Yeah, those, those are some good things that, you know, you probably know Shane Bacon and I have a have a podcast, Pink Proving Grounds podcast.
We talk about all kinds of the stuff. He's another one that's playing the Thriver and won't go back. All right, we got the the Thriver army. Is there Thriver merch yet and like not yet? OK, now yeah, I need to get to. Get we got to get some T-shirts, some hats. I don't know the whole this is the new mission. But thanks Marty for sharing. Hey, Joe, Mayo's got this. Yeah. It's like, what's our? It's the two woods, so maybe we could play off that. I mean, I don't know why did
that later. OK, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll get something together. We'll get ChatGPT to come up with some logo. How about that? Exactly. Exactly. All right, Marty, thanks for the time. Appreciate. It all right, Cory, That was fun.