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We're on a mission to help golfers from all over the world, achieve their goals by understanding what it actually takes to play their best golf. We're talking is leading instructors researchers and players themselves to find what is actually working. Hey everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. Today, I wanted to share a conversation that I had last week. This is one with With Mike Adams phenomenal instructor he's, you know, perennial in the top ten top five on The Golf Magazine.
And Golf Digest, top teachers list has really had a big impact on teaching. He's a mentor for a lot of top instructors and I wanted to share a conversation that we had on our live show actually every Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. We've been going live on Facebook and YouTube. This has been myself and Nick Clearwater from Golf Tech. We have been having a great time. And and wanted to share this conversation with you because it's more audio-based.
You don't need the visuals, we've been trying to make a lot of these live shows fun and interactive and this is a conversation that was worth sharing here on the podcast. So this with Mike Adams, a great conversation kind of his philosophy, just you can get to know him a little bit. Wanted to share this, make sure to check out the live show. We've been putting a lot of work into this trying to make this entertaining and interesting and educational for you all.
You can catch all the recordings on YouTube or Facebook or join us live so you can ask some questions and hang out would really appreciate it. Alright, let's get into it with Mike. Hey, this is awesome. I'm so excited. We have a really awesome round table here. There's five of us here today, including Harvey. He's going to leave his input. I guess throughout, if he snores, we're going to move on to the next topic. That's come.
She's very opinionated today. It's got a, let's say, I'm very opinionated gonna lay down towards like Nick. It's good to have you back. We missed you last Thursday. Thanks man. I only missed one day. How'd you do without me? We did. Okay, we did. We did okay. Not you know, you weren't here. Your how did Brad do more importantly Brad? Yeah. Yeah, we figured was good. It would take me a driver and an 8-iron to hit it as far as he hit the driver. So, hmm. You should see him putt though?
Not good, huh? Have you ever watched someone like that as Potter takes it back? Ground is my hand. He would do a really nice job of hitting the putt. If the ground moved down here, sometimes the powder goes down and actually gets stuck on the backswing. Oh man. I know where Brad, what to bring them back on and I could work on his putting I guess? Yeah, he doesn't do the pudding. Putting lesson shows I guess. Not well. Congrats next, you added. Someone to the family, the past.
Well, thank you. Thanks. O and growl my office hours are great. Now because I could do a whole lot more awake from Midnight until 7:00 in the morning, every day all the time. Well, that's fine. We'll change the live and to like, 34 am, it'll be perfect. We'll get that later out crowd. I'll be ready. Well, now, between you and Nick. We've got, we've got a whole basketball team, but women's Women's Basketball team, we're all set. As soon as we're done with this, we'll get a game going.
Cordy. Yes. Who's on? Let's talk about These Guys. These guys are very important. We've got an incredible show today. I'm going to kick it over to Matt Rudy from Golf Digest and he's gonna intro our guests. He works a lot with Mike, Matt welcome. Okay thanks for having me. It's nice to sit here with some of my friends and talk about golf. I've been doing this stuff at gone for 20 years, writing,
writing golf instruction. And since my first year Golf Digest when we did the first 50 best features list, Mike Adams was on that list then. And Number two on that list this time. And, of course, Nick, he's new to the list this year. So we've got two guys who know, an awful lot about the game and Mike's been researching researching and teaching the game for 40 years.
And here, the story is not only about what it's like to stand on the, on the Range and work with, with all different kinds of players from tour winners. All the way down to Shoppers at the club level. But then to back it up with it with the research he's done in the driving as to learn things I really Respect that a lot and I try to surround myself with
people who want to know. They want they want to learn and they want to know you won't find somebody with better credentials who's also more open to new information that Mike Adams. So I'm thrilled to be sitting here talking him into to bring them into this group with with so many of my friends. So I'm really enjoy, I'm really going to enjoy today.
Awesome. Hey Mike, what you started on the list, how long ago, first one, the first one, which line the me and Abe Lincoln were on the list together, Honest Abe. I bet he was a great teacher. Where were you on the It's what number did they rank yet? Your friends. They didn't have numbers at the beginning. No, yeah, it was just a tough, a word invented back, your stuff, had to guess back then. I think the last 20 years I've Been Everywhere from 2 to 11. Yeah, that's awesome though.
It's pretty cool to have you here. Absolutely good to be here. So, Mike we're going to talk a little bit about some screens, two different types of golf swing time. How you categorize things which is, which is fascinating to me over the years of been able to learn from you a little bit and others that you've taught some of this and it's really cool stuff. So could you kind of just maybe take us back?
Like where does this idea of screening, someone trying to figure out where they fit in their golf point B? And where does it come from? Or how did you get down this path? Well, it seems in about 30 plus years ago, I decided to quit guessing and start measuring is a lot easier to measure somebody and figure out what's going on, and yes, and I was very fortunate. Janet dr. Chuck Tillman. Who is the biomechanist for the u.s. Olympic team and dr. Jim said Mayer who's also
biomechanist. They decided to do a study and we went out on tour. And with Force plates, in the 3D motion capture with, this is back to the old days when there was wires and you had a hand digitized and we did about 100 players at six different events total. And they showed me what I was teaching was wrong.
And that my what my what I thought was correct wasn't even close and then I began to figure it out so I had to come up with a system, you want to measure so that I wouldn't be going down the wrong Rabbit Hole every time. And that's interesting. Mike. So the were they phds scientists who helped you do? Them the swing measuring or what was their background. Jim said, Meyer a biomechanist PhD and the other was dr. Chuck Tillman, who is a PhD and he was the head of you.
It's Olympics by mechanics. So how did they help you? Explain that what you were teaching was wrong? No, they just showed me what the, what the research showed. And from there we started realizing, you know, instead of trying to make everybody one swing that I needed to allow them to be what they were basically different grips if you look at Snead's right hand grip, it's more, it's more on top. Okay. But you look at Trevino's it's
more under you. Look at, you know, Jose Maria olazabal Pivot back around his left leg, where Vijay Singh pivots background is rightly. So there's all different examples of different players. So we need to figure out how we determine, who should be doing, what they give us. Give us an example or like, what are some different different categories that people fit in? Well, you have basically three posts. You can either put it back around the front leg and threw it around the front leg.
The reason stack until works. So well, is because there was a group of players who are front post and Weren't allowed to do it and then when they were allowed to do it, they flourish and play great. Then you have guys who in the background, the right leg, they swim, they move to the right and move to the left. Jimmy Ballard made it famous. That's why something did so well with him and some of those guys and then you have the guys were more centered.
Who could more round their pelvis with the right? It goes back and the back swing the left. It goes back to the through swing. So, what we see is different posts. We also see different right hand grips. That's why we A test for that where we have them put their hands together and swing the right arm back to see where the
right arm goes. Determine how they should be gripping, the club so they can swing the club, most dynamically and efficiently making my job as a golf instruction content, producer, difficult because it means, I can't go. If you can't just do a blanket. One off tip that works for everybody. It's there's there's a variety of information that worked for a variety of players and it forces us to be a little bit more creative and subtle about how we
how we get people going. In the right direction. It's it's a it's a fun new challenge as opposed to just slap it out some one-size-fits-all instruction. It looks to me said means is how long does it take for you to measure somebody? And it takes about 5 minutes. So when I measure and figure out what they should be, instead of guessing and rolling a dice and hope you got it, right? Yeah. Like your strategy for sure, guessing is too much of that happens in golf anyway.
That's why we're lucky enough to be able to measure swings on system, Filtrete him to Designed in. Single lesson so we can measure things down to the degree or tenth of an inch. You mention the the post piece. Can I start by asking you how you came up with the terminology that you use well front. These are pivoting around the front leg rear pivoting around the rear leg in the back and
Center their stay in center. And then moving Left Post is more specific of what I was looking at or sometimes use a side or undercover over those terminologies. Well, Visualize you got a ball in your hand. Okay, two hands like this. Your right hand is now on the side of the ball, right? If you're right grip is like that we call it side on the move your right hand, huh? Okay. Now your right hand is on top.
So that group would be on top now move your right hand under and guess what that grip is under all you beat me to it. Got it. Okay. How about you mentioned the post piece left center, right? How many inches of pelvics way, do you do measure each of those app? We check where their pivoting and, uh, when we're on the force plates, because we measure with three course plates, both Mark to move Kistler, plates and swing Catalyst. And we check it tells us exactly
where they are as they go back. So it's not measure of, and then we also tested the swing and we see where they are, where they should be. Okay. Catch a. So the you're not So you're using the 3D plate and the amount the co-op's moving left or right, when they make just a normal swing to determine the measurement was. As far as he went, which is more Center and is Club head speed
was 108 miles an hour. Terry testimony should be front that I'm working more because here on the front leg is Club head, speed went to 119. And what do you attribute the 11 miles an hour to kill you? Because he's using his, by the way, it's designed to be used, he's not fighting his body. Is there something in particular that he's not fighting now that he used to be fighting? Well, yeah, if you move to the right, it doesn't always get back to the left.
Yeah, and that's for sure. We see that all the time for sure, sustained left for him is a huge Advantage. We're live. Go was number one in the world. 94 miles an hour, 93 miles an hour, shift it to the right, she was a big rear poster and that's what she test out to be. They moved got her more centered and now her clubhead speed is 84 miles an hour, and she's no longer number one, the world. Yeah, she's changed a lot. She might have one of the worst downswings on the LPGA tour right now.
And it looks like you could literally stand in front of her and she wouldn't you all fall, they wouldn't hurt her. It's sad to see what's happened to her. Her as well. How about that impact? You feel like the at impact? You have a post measurement that you discussed to the look, great or Center? Okay. How many inches of pelvics way? Do you like it impact? Well, it's different for each person. I mean, we don't have a set number that we're trying to shoot for sure what we're trying
to do is everybody is different. We measure them and the answer to every answer is it depends. So then how do you pick? Which one? Which one at impact to use, which is Any measurement or doesn't mean the left side and how they deliver, the force is different for each. Each of the posts, which we could talk for hours about. There's a way in, there's a way to do that.
Yeah, right. We've got a ton of studies with Mike Duffy till Cheatham. Sasha, Mackenzie and JP Hernandez and Scotland and I traveled all over the world with those guys. And what we've done is, we measure everybody and determine what they should be and then Every time we do it, it's a minimum of six to eight miles an hour, increase, and maximum of 25 miles, an hour, that we've seen Gordy the lesson that you receive from teshuvah.
Kenzie was a lesson that I gave him in Hawaii and increased his Club head speed about an hour and then he gave it to you and you increase your Club head speed. I think was a loudmouth. Yeah, it was it was definitely definitely helpful. That's for sure. Well Nick should we happen to do some screen and so people can come some some We're talking about a little bit, let's do. I am curious to hear what what kind of instruction you get to increase 11 miles? An hour of Club.
Head speed qu are going to hear that sir a party. That's, that's a secret Nick. You're going to have to be here. You can't tell me. All right. You could see You'd understand, it's not the same for each person. Yeah, yeah, no. And I totally agree with them. Like everybody needs a little different pill for sure. That's a snotty.
I'm curious. What Mike's likes a little pill was today, was it the follow-through out of been the dimension and Gulf that usually gives People, the most speed is either making a longer backswing or learning how to bend themselves in the, in the sagittal plane. Also, it's how you use the ground. Yeah. How you put in the force of the ground, whether it's rotational vertical or horizontal? I mean, it's everybody has a different amount of each. Yeah. So it was courtier lesson were
how to get the vertical part. My lesson with Sasha do was to have it. The simple queue is to have a faster backswing, okay? You have to use more Force at the top of the backswing to start the downswing, gasps John and it and I jump from probably 113. 2119 because I was like a
good lesson, nicely done. It was very very simple and something to something that I could actually do right away which was well soon as you speed the arms, up the leg speed up and that's how they teach splinters to run faster and faster. Arm swing. Well, let's jump in here. Should we do? What should we do? Mike, should we do about those Hostess since you? You have anything the putters back there. Place the club across the top of your thighs and face us. Okay?
For golf posture and then right across the thighs K. And so, if we just pivot back, gave notice how you're pivoting around your left leg, that would make you a front post golfer. Now, I guess my question is, I know that like long drive, guys, for instance, get more pressure on their, their, their rear. That's not true. That's not true. Who are the two that the two longest camera champ is the longest on the PGA tour, right? Yep.
And he's a front post golfer. I mean, you can look through the price of the Shambo is front, post, one of the longest on tour and it's a myth that you have to shift to the right to hit it. Farther Yani, tseng 107 miles an hour fastest ever recorded the LPGA Tour front post, they got her shifting to the right equipment, speeds, 94 miles an hour. So the big shift to the right, didn't make a swing faster, you just swing slower and hit it worse. Now. Mike is that do you just put
that The Testament? To that as that's not what she's naturally designed to do. So that's why she swing slower. Is there something mechanical that she does different that while he's moving to the right chemical because it's it doesn't fit how she's predisposed to move. Nick. What was your time you do that post test as well? I don't know. They do right. See I see he's more centered. He's coming around instead of not staying left. Is that right? Like, did I do?
Okay. Yeah, you didn't mess it up. Love it so far so good. Mike. Other thing that I've done with Scott Lynn was about mechanist was hit golf balls on the left foot feet together and on the right foot and see which one is fastest. Well, there's Stan left foot feet together and left foot back. That was I developed that and they use that and it shows the different Club at speeds of
different positions. So there's three different ways that we do it, but they all become back to the same result, Nick you ever heard of that before? Not that particular test. I mean I've heard Mike talk about it before but not really in great detail. So I'd be curious to study even here touch more about that.
Like which what the results are? We have guys once we test them, if we're not sure if the between front and center or between Center and rear will have them get shots with the feet together and then hit shots with the right foot. Drop back, I left the drop back and they had more speed with feet together. They're more centered. If they hit it more with the left foot, drop back the more rear there. Having fit shorter between front
and center. We have dropped, the right foot, back about four inches apart just a little bit back and they have hit shots and have them feet, hit shots with feet together. We have a rack man behind them and it gives us Club head speed, and solid as a Content. Don't think it's great When Corey and I are doing that test. Are you how are you determining? Which post? We are visually when you're watching? Well, I mean, you can pretty much see he's okay. Can you see me? Yes.
Okay, what is my post? I would say other ear and I am rare. Correct. If you see this what are you seeing front? And this is more sinner. Okay so you're watching, I suppose the thoracic sway, how you can call it that that measurement watching more down below where tort or you're watching the bulbous more than a not much compromise. Okay, gotcha. When you have someone on like
Catalyst to zap, Elvis thorax. When the make a backswing, you can make the center of pressure move around in a multitude of ways. Which I know I understand that, you know, when you see someone who might move their pelvis toward the target, but retain the forward. Flexion at they had an address in that sagittal. Maybe you see that Zach Johnson is a good example of that. Exactly. Yeah, that's what we call, you
know. Basically, all he's doing is, he's got creating a counter swivel because he's an under grip and that's that way he can access his Donna Dimension, then you have the other the counter tilt we where they are actually real and they give it this way that you see them leaning back to the lab. I'll be J saying or calmer Gunnery. Sure. Okay, how would you classify like Zac? Then Zack is front, post is another golfers because his pelvis moves towards the target. Okay?
I think I got it. Uh-huh. Any other questions? Okay, then that clear I love it. This is the this is the side cover under, right? Right? This gives you what it, what? Your right hand should be on and your grip on the golf club, correct? Okay, okay, Cordy turns, that's right, hands together, right? Hand? Slightly lower, okay, that's cool. As your shoulders and swing both arms are right, aligned the right on depend. Okay, notice where your palm is facing taking down. Yes, that's more side.
Cover the group is, is the Palm before, arm the shoulder and the elbow, the more the right, elbow goes up, the more on top you are more the right elbow. Tucks. In the more under you are who are not work, some horse and players that would be it would be in different positions than the. Those guys go ahead and put the picture of Paul Casey and Okay, notice, Adam Scott on the right is right, elbow tucks in Palm is facing more up.
He is side under Paul Casey on the left is see how the right elbow is gone back and up, he's more side cover, which is how he grips it. And the other is how Adam Scott, fifth it. But we're talking to Paul crazy and I said, so you're right. Hand needs to be more on top and you play. He says, I hit it best that way. He says, but my teacher, Peter kostis keeps moving my right hand Square to neutral. And I said, so how do you hit it? They get a terrible from there
but he says, I fooled them. I open the club face up and address in essence, you move the right hand on top and he says, I hit a great from there. I think, Adam Scott. Shaves, his forearms. Totally does. Look at that anyway. Are you just jealous? That is that why you said that was out there just a reaction? The reaction? Yeah, fair enough. Like, I have a question about this one.
So, on the back swing, you're looking at Adam Scott while Casey at this point, I'm neither of them would make a very functional. Oh backswing moving like this. So I'm wondering if that's true. Well neither one can swing like this. Maybe I should start with that. Adam Scott does took because there is some movement of the shoulders and hips but we're just trying to isolate with the arm is going to do, they do know that like that's for sure.
The left arm the left or complexion and the pushing out, that's different than how he would have it at. We're almost at the point in time where is left humerus. Parallel, the ground. That's not the orientation. He would ever have that swing. He's got that further behind him. So do you feel like this? Let me answer the question. There would be there would be pivot at that point the hips in there and show them the same thing that Paul Casey. He does move backing up his
right. Elbow goes back and his face looks a lot more shut in the backswing. Sure. So you feel like this test irrespective of the other recruitments of different joints and the different Mobility mode. We're trying to see is how the right arm works in the backswing because like the executor forearm elbow and right hand is dictated, then that allows us to
put the right hand on correctly. Okay, so so in my case, as a side cover, I need to crank my right hand, this way more correct, where you need a little more on top. Okay. You're going to be you're going to grip it. Like cupca. Does more the way that you know camera champ. As a Bryson does or Paul Casey Rickie. Fowler, you know, Rory McIlroy Thomas Peters. Alex noren, Patrick Reed. Martin Kaymer, those some good cops. Those are good players. Yeah. He should be a little more like
that. Cordy. I should be it. I never do. You know it, you know like Zander Shockley. The right hands. More under Justin Thomas, Adam Patrick can't lie, you know, John wrong, Fred Couples, Martin trainer, there's a book. As a bunch of them and great thing. Being in medalists, I'm even go up and test all of them. That's cool to have such proximity to all those amazing players gives you such a good background in, seeing what the best in the world. Do we write? Nothing works, right.
Hand is very much on top, that's why you cover the outside and that's why he does what he does. I mean his swing really isn't unusual because he swings the way he should. According the grip that's great. I appreciate you hearing the saying that because I don't think that wolf swing is unusual either. The way he does, the radial deviation and somehow he pulls his arms apart in the backswing. Those are very noticeable but the rest of how he's really
moving throughout. The swing isn't all that much different from right hand for definitely. So if that picture of Paul Casey that you had, I don't know if you can throw that up one more time Cordy. So if Paul Casey comes to you or any PGA Tour, player comes to you and they say like in Paul's case I'm having a hard time drawing the ball. Mike, I want to draw it more. Do you still Tell him to put the number three, pressure point, index finger or betrayal hand more on on the side or on top of
the shaft ever. So slightly, all you do is you shift the plane, you closed a stance, they can hit draws, allows them to hit up on me drawers, where the opposite of for an under guy. Who's more predisposed, to draw the gospel, you do Italy. You know, does you do it j.b. Holmes? Does you do it? Zach Johnson is Dustin Johnson, John Ross. They open the stance up and shift the plane to the left. It's just, you know, you don't have to try to manipulate
anything you just shift. Okay. Now I want to hear from Matt a little bit. I know, you know personally talking to a lot of instructors that have begun to understand this information from Mike and they've learned this how much do you see this impacting instruction? Some of these screens and whatnot over the last, you know, few years.
But I think the work that Mike is doing, I think the work that Nick is Doing. I think the work that people like my friend, Mike Jacobs is doing your role, is Terry rolls. All of these people are, are people that and they don't, and they want to eliminate some of the folklore and golf
instruction. And I think that's a difficult place for some coaches to be in. Because if you've coached your entire career based on an estimate or on a, you know, an anecdote that somebody told her that it got passed down from some other teacher. It's, you know, it can be threatening. To hear about information, that might be contrary to what you coach or what you believe. But I think what's permeating golf instruction is real information real measurements. And I think it's in special
coaches. There's a mixture of real information with the Artistry of interpersonal relationships. And, you know, the actual coaching part that is the people part and the coaches that are good at both of those things are ones that are flourishing, and I say it all the time. We're in a awesome. Awesome hair. Era for democracy of information, just look what
we're doing now. We're in a place where we can share this stuff with with, as many people who are, who want to see it for free instantly and I think if you wanted to learn stuff. I Michael tell you stories about being a young professional, being had to drive himself around the country and try to find the right mentors and by process of elimination and try to try to figure out, figure out
what roads to go down. And then now you can, you can find that information and all these different places you can. Find mentors. You can you can learn different things and figure out how to apply it. And you can see that in some of the businesses and some of the profiles that a lot of coaches have been building, whether it's on social media or videos they make and seminars, they give, I think there's never been a better time to flourish.
There's a golf instructor and there's never been more availability of great information. And I think we're just now on the sorting out period where, where some people are for still trying to Incorporating, what they do day in and day out? Well, they can find out more about our system because we're doing a webinar, starting Friday, ultimate golf lesson.com, they can find out all the information about it. Yeah.
It's everybody. It's the biomechanist sits, it's coaches coming together and talk about the ways. They, they share it. I'm lucky that I get to spend a lot of time. And I tend to gravitate toward coaches, that, that want to know whether it's Randy Smith. Dallas, you're so with, somebody was just a legendary coach, who's got? Who's got Great information. He's got an amazing touch with people. Spend a lot of time with Nick spent a lot of time with Mike.
I'm lucky that I get to be around people that that are fun to have a beer with and have a lot of information and are committed to figuring out how to share it with people in the most effective way for the person in front of Mike. I think it's awesome that you and matter putting on this event, I know you're doing most of the work and that's just going to sit there actually, it's generals myself.
And Matt and then we've got all the biomechanist still Cheatham is on and Scotland and GP, Fernandez, and, you know, Mike Duffy and such. They're all going to be done. I like all those guys. My only job is to be is just a bit to mute people if they get out of line. And I really liked that job. That's pretty good Matty's. Mention something, interesting. I want to get Mike's take on. You know, it's a little bit easier than it would have been
in that little hint there. If you read under the veil, but Years ago, you couldn't just get online and produce content, get to be known as a teacher, irrespective of, who you taught, what you knew, nowadays is a little bit easier to do that, not saying it's simple. I think there are some some crazy stories of people coming out of no teaching background whatsoever teaching tour. Players even seen it happen.
What's your take on the new wave of coaches, who are becoming popular mainly from either, being making crazy social media posts being a Face or just stuck to their keyboard a lot whether they're have a positive or bowling attitude and helping that move themselves up in the profession. I think what one vulnerability in general, the gulf Pat golf is a sport has and golf instruction as an element of that has has
historically. I think golf has been behind, whether culturally, you know, technically in terms of technology, in terms of attitudes, the sport is behind. And so, I think there are a lot of people that in golf coaching who don't Have is firmer grasp on what technology can do as others. And, and I think that, let's some people take advantage of that of the of that vacuum and fill the vacuum with information. I think some of them haven't done a terrific job.
Some of them have probably been more damaging than others, but to go back to the previous Point, what I think is great about it is you didn't, you don't have to have the luck of of going to be an assistant Pro for Mike Adams and, you know, in 1992 or for with Randy Smith or with Butch Harmon or Jim McClean Or any of these people in painting. Yeah. Coach a coach could really give you an amazing grounding and what and how to teach you could.
You could be Mike Jacobs and grew up on Long Island and be a municipal golfer and and find your own way and find your own information, and that's very appealing. I grew up in a factory town in Michigan, and I had to figure my own way and that's, that's appealing to me, for sure.
And what's fascinating is there are players on tour who have chosen, Is based on Instagram post or they've chosen coaches based on Twitter, a Twitter feed, and younger younger players who see that as a source of information and are
determining for themselves. If it's valid information or not, whether that means they're putting their coach through the paces to see if it works or they're just looking for a Hail Mary because they don't have a lot of self-confidence yet that those are all things that are fascinating to study. Because those are the elements that go into determining, who
championed are these days. You need to be able to not only figure out the the right thing to do for yourself, but have the gumption and the self-confidence, Cento to know what to discard, if it doesn't work and you know that you hear from Brandel, Chamblee lot your where he's very hard on Modern and instruction and I think partially because he got some instruct from they didn't like, but but I firmly believe that you're the gatekeeper of your own game and whether you were
playing in 1950 or 2,000 or 2020, you're responsible for what you do or don't do. And there, there certainly is coaching. It's out there. But you have a much better chance nationwide at a golf Tech at a mid-range Country Club in America today, you have a much better chance. Thanks to the work of all. These people that were talking about right here of getting a
very good golf lesson. Then you have ever had in the history of this game because the bar the sort of passing grade, bar of information for a golf instructor so much higher now than it used to be like, I think Matt cover. Did he miss anything? I don't think so, basically. I think online instruction has its place especially during the lockdown, but if you can't see, people hit balls with the ball flight is and what's going on? You can make assumptions and
make suggestions. And if it doesn't fix the ball plates, not fixing the player. And then you need to be able to make them hit. It better and hit it more readily and be able to play because they have to take it out on the golf course. I mean there isn't you don't take it. You don't take a golf swing and you get scored. Oh that was a 10 swing, put the drive. Down the middle.
You actually have to hit the ball and when it comes right down to it, I mean, I would say 50% of my lessons around the golf course because I have to teach them how to, once I get him to hit it, I've got to teach them how to use it. Yeah. I love the environment of like what we use and it sounds like you do some similar Mike.
We have such a sterile tightly-controlled, like petri dish in here where you get a lot done very quickly, but then once that works done and you teach somebody to whatever chatted like them, Um, to, whether it's a tiny drawer straighten, something out, or stop him that then it's time to go outside and teach them how to play golf. So that's what we do to come
out. I love when I when I go to a golf text other thing, I love is the removal of variables and there are a lot of coaches that have an intuitive nature that can figure things out. But the process might take longer because they they aren't taking one variable at a time. And when you, and when you can go to a place like a golf, texting her and see how things are measured and see what variables. Actually in fact, what's going
on? I know Mike, you and I have talked about that a lot and the coaches that can do that and understand that turning this knob by itself does one thing and turning. All the knobs at the same time in different directions, those a different thing that you would be surprised if ya could die at that. Level of sophistication is beyond a lot of coaches because they just start turning lots of knobs and that's got to be extremely unsatisfying for a student.
I would think it doesn't need to be that way. You can make golf as simple or as complicated. Kate as you want but your instruction should not be very complicated. If it doesn't have to be forever, you can be complicated under the hood, you know, the yeah, absolutely. If you open mics brain up and looked inside it, open your brain up or we had a career at a biomechanical conversation with you know, the 10 smartest the country, it can get pretty Next Level pretty fast.
But that the art is the art of a Mac of a Mac computer sitting on my desk here. Is that it's super complicated but it doesn't look complicated to me. I'm just moving the mouse and it does what I wanted to do. Yeah, hey, Mike in the, Five or ten years as your system of either measuring or teaching change very much.
Well, you know, it's always evolving, you know, we're always looking for better ways to do it, better ways to say it, you know, we've added a couple of screens and, you know, basically, you know, unfortunately, I've spent I've spent a lot of time with the best players and best teachers carry roles and I are together all the time. I travel all over the world with JP and also Scott, when I probably been to 70 countries with those guys.
So when you go ahead and You work with somebody and you got 300. People sitting there watching you and you got to make them hit it, better in five balls. They don't know what you're doing. Absolutely can't say it. Any better. That's the fun part though. I know I get to practice that skill a lot. I know you do as well. We're having Terry on a Thursday. You'll enjoy a. He's a brilliant guy and a phenomenal teacher. Yeah, I really liked. Are he's a, he's a fun guy for sure.
My knee a 10 second delay, but we'll keep pushing them along. Will fill some dead, are you? You want any dead Air with Terry? Oh, it's one of those stories. Okay. All right, I got you. How about last question? I can think of to I think I slightly hinted on, but I'm curious.
So you mentioned tour, players? And how many of those that you've seen over the years when a tour player does come to you, do you start by asking them a series of questions, outside of what you do with the screening base? Or how do you get started with one? Well, I asked him ice cream them, as for videos when they play their best, to see what they look like and go from there. I mean, each case is different
all I want. I know as much about them as possible, how they take information in what their learning style is. I also want to find out, you know, any injuries things that they've done teachers, are they worked with that? Is that they hit the ball? Well under what sweet thoughts, are they had and you check them out. I mean, the more information I
have the easier. My job becomes like, that's great and I appreciate your Viewpoint of, you're essentially saying it's not all about what, you know, either, how much about a swing, you know, that's the interpersonal skills that are important asking the right questions that Order start dive
in on that problem. And I know hundreds of teachers that have been loyal subjects and followers of your tutelage are all super guys and they have that skill well trained as well so I applaud you for everything you're doing and golf I know it's I appreciate everyone who's trying to measure things for sure. And I know you're always trying to improve what you do and get a little better at it every single
day, so I think it's great. We've done for golf and for what you Continue to do. Well, I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, thank you guys for hanging out. This is this is finding you for your time. Mike and Matt. And now I'm a front post side. Cover golfer. I'm going to go figure out what that means tomorrow on the golf course. Well you know your body will simulate that you can stop sweating Cordy. It's easy. I'll report back on Beeping, Milo, round tomorrow. Whatever were you playing
tomorrow? Of course opens tomorrow. I got it. I got to get out at some point, we'll see. Hopefully, I can get get done some work and get out there and we have. This is what our course look like, right? I think we're going to be shut down. At least till May here in Connecticut, so know you're never playing again. It's gonna start snowing again in August. He was snoke coronavirus.
They're not going to let us Because I supposed to be at the end of this month, I think we're going to get a plague of locusts. That's the next thing that's going to happen. Here is take pictures but on social media I want to see it tag me on that on that positive thought. Let's let them today. Thank you guys to see you. Thanks.