Episode 142 - Nursery Rhymes!

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more than that, but yeah, I mean, it's a joke. Okay. Anyways, dad. Yes. Did you know that Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall?

Oh, tell me more.

Well, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. Oh, no. And All the king's horses and all the king's men.

Ah, do they fix them? They they get to them and fix them.

They couldn't put Humpty together again.

Well, that's. That's not that's not very fun.

It's not really nowhere in there. Does it say? Dumpty? Humpty was an egg. That yeah, he was just dude.

I know, fell off a wall. I know. But why

does everybody think he was an egg and all the king's men? Were like, oh, no, dude, let's try and put it back together. They were crazy. They were crazy trying to pull up dead man mega Taylor.

What? So? What Okay, so here's the thing. Why?

I have a solution.

Okay, so yeah, so every representation of Humpty Dumpty I've ever seen. It was Eggman right Dr. Eggman? Right, like Dr. Eggman from vector from Sonic. Gotta go fast like Sonic.

I love Eggman he's my favourite.

So, alright, so, so late on me why, why is he an egg in popular culture?

So it was originally like a riddle. Instead of a nursery rhyme. Humpty Dumpty is a character in an English nursery rhyme. Probably originally a riddle, said probably. This is this is a loser article. This is Wikipedia. This is not a credible source. He is typically portrayed as an anthropomorphic egg. Though he is not explicitly described as such, as I'm

Well, yeah, like Okay, so the the version that I've always seen as he's sitting on a big old brick wall, being an egg, and he's got some little pantaloons on and typically has some kind of hat, and some jester shoes, and yeah, or something like that. And then he had his he has a great fall, and he falls off the wall, and shatters into a bunch of pieces

Okay, so the origins The earliest known version was published in Samuel Arnold's juvenile amusements in 1797. Okay, with the lyrics Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had to re fall for score men and Foursquare more could not make Humpty Dumpty like he was before. So that's even more confusing. Oh, no,

see, that's less bad. It's less bad because it doesn't say because it could have just broke his leg. Yeah. Or just hurt. Understood. No. Yeah, he hit his head and wasn't quite the same, you know, mentally. So at least he didn't like shatter like the one implies, you know.

Oh, wait, but this one says humpty dumpty sat state on a wall. Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. Three score, man. Oh, three score more. cannot place Humpty Dumpty as he was before.

So where did the where the horses come from? Where

do you guys go? And where the horses come from? Yeah,

so a lot of well, they didn't write a lot of stuff back back in the day. They didn't write it all down, you know? So it was probably word of mouth. And the guy who told that one forgot about it was four. And he just said three, because it doesn't really matter how many it is because that's not the part that rhymes.

So this is a picture from 1902. And the Mother Goose storybook by WW when Denslow I said 1902? No, yeah. 92. And it just says the riddle, and then it says in parentheses in the egg, like you would see on a riddle. So I believe that its origins were rooted in being a riddle.

Okay, so it may be some teacher came up with it, like, oh, maybe they're doing that experiment where they have the egg and they have to drop it and not break it. And the teacher like put it to them like that. I don't know. This is all speculation. This should be on Silly.

Silly speculation. So do you go ahead. Yeah. I can't really find any hard evidence.

Do you know anything about Jack and Jill?

Yeah, they sustain head injuries.

Okay. Okay. So, Jack and Jill. They they went up a hill. Oh, it was to fetch a pail of water.

You gotta get that water.

Jack fell down. Oh, no. And he broke his crown.

He was Royal.

Apparently. Jill came tumbling after. Oops. No, you may have you may have heard this part before right. Well, Jack, did you know that there's more? There's more. There's more than Jack got up. And home that trot. Nope. Sorry. I said it wrong. Then Jack. Then Up Jack got and home did trot. Just as fast as he could caper. Dame Gil did the job to plaster his knob With vinegar and brown paper. So she put a cast on him. Neat. Sure. And then there's more than Jill came in. And she did grin to see

man, these regulars man they keep making a word

I've never heard At anything past the first page yeah the for Jack Fulton and Joe came total and after like I had never heard now that says Jack and Jill so the other one says the hobby horse so I think it's all part of the same story but the the one with Dame Gil did the job, you know With vinegar and brown paper. I think that's actually a separate nursery rhyme may be called the hobby horse. And then there's Dame Gill, where mom whipped jello across her knee and I don't know

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I don't know. I think I really genuinely think that it's just the dog's name.

They rode the dog is a sturdy dog.

Well, I mean, if they're little kids, I used to ride our dog Madison. She was huge. Alright, you ready for this one? Sure. And then I'll go into the history of a little bit. Old Mother Hubbard went to the cupboard to get poor dog a bone to give the poor dog a bone. When she came there, the cupboard was bare. And so the poor dog had none. She went to the Baker's to buy some bread. When she came back. She thought he was dead. She went to the joiners to buy him a coffin. And

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She went to the fishmongers to buy him some fish. When she got back. He was licking the dish when she went or she went to the Ale House to buy him some beer. And when she came back, he sat in a chair. She went here she went. She went to the fruit errs, to buy some fruit, the fruit herbs I guess. Okay. When she came back, he was playing the flute. She went to the shoe mart to buy him some shoes. And when she came back, he sat reading the news. These are fantastic. Just the imagery.

them. And then really old by the way, that's like a really old thing.

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They were bored and math.

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I remember all kinds of stuff.

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I lost the cluster. Oh, let's see oral traditions are Nursery Rhymes and ancient but new verses have steadily entered the stream of French poem numbering the days of the month, similar to 30, half 30 days have September, was recorded in the 13th century. But such late comers is Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star. All right. You're ready for this? Yeah. You say you're ready. I'm ready wasn't ready. Your mic just completely came off. I'll mute it so you can put it back up there. And

Yep, g h, i j, k LMNOP. QRS, t, u, v, w, x, y and z. All right, so

that's too fast of a tempo. Let's go with a lighter tempo and I'll sing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. Respectfully sorry, you. Okay, so I'll do Twinkle twinkle little star you do ABC? Oh, my mics do. Okay. Just

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in the struggling noises that he made.

Okay, so some of the oldest Nursery Rhymes were like babies games, and like it was teaching words that rhyme or whatnot like this. This is tough to say. Handy dandy. Handy dandy prickly Pandy which hand will you Adler's? It's like any meenie miney moe sort of thing. Handy dandy prickly Pandy. Which hand will you have? You know, it's like back and forth with the pointing at somebody. And then we'll waddle and we'll Chelm handle open wound.

Sounds like saying this the

German the German equivalent window waddle in William channel over EU.

I was trying to learn German for a little while and I just couldn't it is it is tough, man.

It's a it sounds so angry. Not

like Russian. Russian just sounds like annoyed.

Right? That Yeah, so there's all these old little things that count as nursery rhymes. there yeah, here we go. London Bridge is falling down. It's more of a singing thing. And then there's Humpty Dumpty, which is considered a riddle rhyme like you were talking about? Yeah. Loves the frog who would go a wooing a wooing go? What?

That's one of the original nursery rhymes that were originally made for adult entertainment instead of kids. Oh, yeah. Oh my gosh, I'm trying to kind of zoom out because I accidentally zoomed in and it's not going to zoom out. Oh, no. It's gonna deal with it.

So the earliest known publisher of nursery rhymes was Tommy thumbs pretty song book. Second volume. So I guess the first volume had other songs in it. Include included little Tom Tucker sing a song and sixpence. Who say most influential Yeah. So mother goose's melody, or sonnets for the cradle was published by firm John Newbery and 1781 almost said 1981 1781 Among its 51 Rhymes where Jack and Jill ding dong bell, hush a bye bye baby a top on the tree top. Hush a bye, baby, baby.

Yeah rock baby.

Yeah, it sounded weird. I was like I should buy. That's not right. That's puppies. Yummy. The the addition was reprinted in 1785 and America Isaiah Thomas. Its popularity is attested by the fact that the verses still commonly called Mother goose's rhymes. And the United States

Nursery Rhymes are educational. Sorry, you haven't said a fact in a little while my fact site was terrible.

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So when we looked at nursery rhymes improve children's speech. Oh, yeah. And I honestly can vouch for this too, because I'm, I know a whole bunch of nursery rhymes by heart, and haven't heard them in like eight years. And somehow I know them.

That's how they do. And it's like songs or songs are the same way I can their songs. Well, you've seen it. I'm like, Oh, I haven't heard the song in 15 years. And I know every word of it exactly. And how it goes and everything in that, oh, hey, doors, radar, radars and chat. We're live right now. We do live either Thursday or Friday nights. We're not sure. Normally just you can keep up with us on Twitter. I'm gonna start posting it to the website also, I think.

So basically, as I was saying, I'm sorry. Teachers in elementary school used to teach us how to vocabulary eyes. And they would teach us like little tricks. Like, a comes after II but only on a full moon overfilled you know, and then I makes the eye noise or the ear or the E. Or sometimes it's silent. You know, English.

It's kind of funky.

The only letter that isn't silent is V.

So V is never silent.

Not in most, most. Ah, Trump made up a word one time. And it was silent in that call. Yeah, I think that was actually a Vsauce made a video a little short about it. It's about a book called P is for pterodactyl. And we actually got it for a friend's kid one time. Oh, yeah. Remember? It was a it's a great book. But it's terrible for learning. Yeah, cuz. Yeah. Every letter there's a word with a silent in it.

Yeah, that was fun. Yeah. It's really fun. It's fun, fun, fun.

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Is what ABCDEFG be considered a nursery rhyme?

Um, I guess because it rhymes. Right? Well, I use that every day mostly rhyme. Yeah, I can't remember I'm in my mid 30s. And I remember and I still have to do the LMNOP QRS. Okay. Yeah. The bar that messes me up that I can never like visualise without doing the rhyme is the very middle, right? No, no, it's towards the end. Yeah, the middle in the end, I have to go like to UV WX okay. Like, normally I have to start like, sorry, I'm gonna weird, like pee at the start at p LMNOP. It's

And our or my hardest ones. I can never figure out where they are. Yeah, they're just in there somewhere.

Oh, no. Oh, no, I'm gonna most everything I run. I run everything on a remote desktop here and I minimise to the entire the entire thing. Whoopsie whoopsie.

So nursery rhymes, I think are like great for everything. Apparently, according to this website, it says let's see what the claim.

Oh, let's see what the claim was. It was the claim. All right, let's

go to the very top. Numero one. Nursery Rhymes are educational as proven by research on Nursery Rhymes improve children's speech. nursery rhymes grow the number of words kids know. That's a weird way of saying it. Nursery Rhymes can be used to teach the alphabet. Nursery Rhyme can develop reading and writing skills. Nursery Rhymes helped develop communication skills. Nursery Rhymes to improve children's listening skills which I kind of get that one.

Okay, so maybe they're talking about like, doing the nursery rhymes like a patty cake. Ring around the rosie

usually accompanies two children copying each other's hands. There's a rhyme gross motor skills involved in control of muscles in the arms, legs and torso.

Okay, so they're talking about the things where you actually have a action associated with the the rhyme. Like, did you ever do Ring around the rosie?

I steal the Ring around the rosie my man.

Did you ever do Red Rover? No, you've never heard of it. I've never played Red Rover. You've told me about it. Yeah. So like, if you're not, if you're unfamiliar with it, you have two lines of people. And they're holding hands. Nice and tight, right. And they're like forming like a wall. And you'd say and it's actually a really good way to learn your classmates names and have a little physical activity at the

gymnastics with despite each other. Oh, yeah, I guess that's also we do kickball we kind of tackled each other in kickball. Yeah, we aggressive man. We did. We don't want to do full field suicides. So like tackle each other to get the ball on each other. Competitive

running back and forth. field with a certain motions. Yeah, it's terrible. So but yeah, there's that and then the Ring around the rosie is you know going around the pole holding hands kind of like skipping sideways. Oh my gosh. Did you see the video of the adults trying to remember how to skip? Yes. Y'all go out and looked at. It was pretty funny. People were doing the adult skipping challenge.

I still skip.

I don't get my body doesn't like making that motion anymore. It's a way like I said I'm in my I'm in my mid 30s I can tell go older. Because I keep I keep losing the chat room because I've got only got the one screen right now.

gross motor skills,

gross motor skills like picking your nose skills, picking your nose stuff like that dig in your ear. You

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gross motor

skills, large muscle movements, which are not precise and includes many fundamental movement patterns.

The child development.com.com.au So this is from Australia. So take it, take it for, you know, that's, you know, gross motor skills are those which require whole body movement and which involve large core stabilising muscles of the body to perform everyday tasks.

I think they're mainly gross motor skills are just things that babies have to learn how to do. Yeah, like standing up walking. Discovering they have feet Rubik's Cube. doing push ups. Gotta get them sigma grind sets. Gotta your burpees You gotta do your burpees when you're three months old.

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like it was when I was doing weightlifting in high school, there was no such thing as forgetting any given day. Like we had to do the whole the whole nine

yards and then the whole gym. We have a bench press thing behind the stage who have seen it before. Oh, I don't know why

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Real? I think that's all I have.

That's all you got for nursery rhymes. We just kind of Yeah, it's kind of kind of we're spitting them out. Yeah, yeah, grazing the surface there. Yeah, the Humpty Dumpty thing has always bothered me why it was converted to an egg and I guess the put them back together again. You know, somebody was just having fun with that idea and

published it, you know, or why don't you make it more amortisable? Yeah, yeah. And make it you don't want to get demonetised on YouTube?

I mean, did we look up? Why is Humpty Dumpty portrayed as an egg?

Did you Yes, I looked that up. That's what I was talking about.

What you Okay, so that's exactly what you looked up. Yes.

I didn't use big man words. I said, Why is Humpty Dumpty always an egg?

Oh, it's from Alice Through the Looking Glass.

No, it's not. No it was came out in like 2019

Oh, no, sweetie, it came out in 1904. Okay, so Humpty Dumpty. According to Wikipedia, Humpty Dumpty is a character and an early in an English nursery rhyme. Probably originally a riddle. And one of the best known English speaking in the world, Humpty Dumpty. Okay, you're looking at Alice Through the Looking Glass I was talking about through the looking glass.

So, okay, so this is you looking? Yeah, I

know. But that was part of just let me finish. Let me finish. Okay, so you read the first part of the Wikipedia, right? Yes, he didn't continue down.

Further I did I get the

score. You got the I did all the king's lyrics and melody score. What I hate Okay, so this laptop when you want to scroll down you have to push

up on the you know I can take the laptop for you.

Do you like this laptop? Yeah like okay so adaptations so in Humpty Dumpty these are Louis the Carol's through the looking glass, which was an Alice story. Humpty Dumpty also makes an appearance. Alice remarks that Humpty is exactly like an egg, which Humpty finds to be very provoking in the LookingGlass world. Alice clarifies that she said he looks like an egg not that he is one.

So it came out in 1871 1906

Just calm down,

calm, just making sure

we don't get factcheck fall through the looking glass came out in night in 1871. That's what I said. dins Lowe's Humpty Dumpty? adapted and illustrated by WW den Lo. Yep, that came out in 1904. Nope, that's an illustration from 1904. It was published in 1797,

nicknamed the

nursery, but the illustration of him as an egg came out in 1904. Probably after reading through the looking glass where Alice said he looked like an egg.

1704 1604 What are you going to do? In 1504 1104?

Okay, so AJ learner suggested the Carol's Humpty Dumpty had ProShow prosopagnosia on the basic processing process on the basis of his description of finding faces hard to recognise. Yeah. Oh, I heard that. I did a whole thing on that. Already. Dumpty said mine. My name means the shape I am.

Humpty Dumpty got Dumpty. Like a dumpling. Oh my gosh, the yummy

the face is one that goes by generally Alice remark we're gonna thoughtful tone. That's just what I complain of, said Humpty Dumpty. Your face is the same as everyone has. It has two are the two eyes, marking the places in the air with his thumbs. The nose in the middle of the mouth under it's always the same. Now, if you had two eyes, on the same side of the nose, for instance, or a mouth up at the top, that would be

So I could go on a whole rant about prosopagnosia. Okay, I could, but I'm not.

Your mother send a text said stop fighting. But we're fighting you to y'all.

Just know that. This dude has it. I don't know what his name is. I forgot your name. Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt has prosopagnosia? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Huh. And it basically it makes it really hard to recognise people's faces. And it makes them just look like a little blur. It can be different for everyone.

We had a family member with it cool. I can't remember it was some someone I never met you know, but said that he he would know people you know a by how they talked. But how they how they carried themselves and how they walked was a big indicator of how he picked out people like in a crowd or, or whatever.

You know, people with prosopagnosia can see faces but have a hard time recognising their identities.

Right, right. There's just it's like me with names. It's not the names get completely jumbled up in my head. I forget them. I get a mixed up. I'm terrible with it. And it's very bad when you work with like a lot of people. It's kind of bad when you're like, hey, you how you doing? It's like I've worked with you for a year. You just don't know my name. I was like, I've known it before you because you've told it to me a bunch and it's Sally right there on your desk. Hey,

It's like an episode of Gumball. Where Gumball Gumball, trying to find their neighbor's name. And they tried so hard. And then no neighbor's name. It wasn't Mr. Robinson, but it was the other one. Oh, no. I forgot

to start the story that you can't remember the letter. All right. Well, I think we've I think we've kind of exhausted this topic for tonight.

Talking about prosopagnosia. You never

know what's gonna happen in this show. We are crazy because we're professional. podcasters podcasters God, Pastor story. calm face blindness. Yeah, that's what that's the that's the regular people term for it. Regular people lol. All right, folks. Well, y'all have a fantastic week. Let's listen to Kyle and his his being louder than the music knus Finally, after what a year, year and a half about. Yeah, we'll see y'all next week.

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