How to Get Back on Track With Your Budget Quickly

talking about how to get back on track quickly. We're not going over how to budget. It's all about what do we do when life throws us something or you know, we mess up because we're not perfect. People like, what do where do you go from there? M hmmm yeah, things to identify how to get back on track. We're gonna we're gonna dive into it. But first our sponsors, The Frugal Friends Workbook Flash Sale ff WB for short, is a digital workbook with six week long challenges that

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and your budget. So this first one UM is from our good friend Alison Baggerley over at inspired budget dot com. I promise you we did not just pick this one because she is our friend and that she was the co host for the show when I was on maternity leave, but it real. She really does have the first article on Google on this topic, and she gives some really great strategic recommendations. What did you think, Joe? It's great

and I want why I am partial. She was my co host when you left me to have a baby, So yeah, I think she's great. I think she gives great tips. I think that she really did well to succinctly explain why this might happen for us when we fall off track with our budget, and then some real tangible ways to get back on track and we want to go through all five of the things that she listed out. So the first one, as you can imagine,

we have to face the problem. We have to identify what the problem is, what got us off track again. The first step sometimes can be the hardest, That can be tough to look at things, especially if we are at fault in the situation. But it's only going to help us in the future if we can know what was it. And so she gives a couple of examples which I think are really helpful. Was it that you wanted to keep up with your friends with either what

they own or what they're doing. Was it an unexpected expense that kind of threw off your budget, or where you unprepared that month and didn't actually write out a budget and then ended up spending more than what you earned. Did you cave to an impulse spend so kind of thinking through and so those are kind of a good

start to consider what was it for me? And then that will help will certainly connected to future steps, but also in the future to know, oh, this is this is a problem area for me, This is something I need to keep a pulse on. This is typically when I overspend that self knowledge and self understanding will help immensely, even beyond maintaining your budget and not finding yourself falling

off the wagon constantly. I think another important tip to add to this is to separate yourself from the problem because a lot of times we can encounter these problems and we we think that they are attached to our identity, like something unexpected popped up because I did something, or I'm just not capable of overcoming my mistake, stuff like that, And so you have to first identify the problem and then do the really hard mental work of separating yourself

from it. Uh. It is an isolated instance and maybe sometimes yeah, in the case of impulse spending, it can be a habitual instance, but still is something that you can overcome when you learn the right habit, change steps, and start to put in the work. It is not a reflection of who you are as a person. Yeah.

So the second is to evaluate the situation. So this means you'll need to start tracking your expenses, be honest with where you stand with your fine dances the bigger picture, and Allison says to get started, print your previous month's bank statement and evaluate your spending and money habits. You'll need to grab a calculator and total up how much you spent on everything, specifically purchases that were unnecessary, and I would take I would also not just unnecessary purchases,

but purchases that were unplanned and impulsive as well. So I love this. Uh, you know, if you're already doing a budget, this will be, you know, pretty easy. But most of the people who find themselves in the situation are not doing a budget. So to take a full inventory of what am I making, what am I spending? It seems so basic, but so few people actually do it. I let a coaching program earlier this year, and I I just assumed everyone would come and it was it

was to pay off debt faster. So I assumed everybody coming in would know how much debt they had. But there were some people that did not. They just knew they had debt, and so we really needed to get back Dix and take a step. I didn't realize we'd have to to Okay, what did I spend over the last three months, What did I make over the last three months? What is my actual debt number? Stuff like that. How deep does the rabbit trail go? We can know

that there's a problem. We can identify the problem, but unless we know the real brevity of it, we're not going to get too far either. Great first two steps. Once you've done that, the third that Allison lists out on here is to make a budget. You knew it was coming coming, yeah, and that's just part of finances that we've got and we've got to be able to

allocate money. And I know we throw that word around a lot, but simply put, it's where is your money going to go and not spending more than what you make and putting that on paper your plan for how you're not going to spend more than what you make, and even how you might get at some of those financial goals that you might have, whether it's saving or paying down debt, you name it. So again, as Jen said at the top of the episode, we're not going to tell you how to do that. There's plenty of

episodes on that and resources on that. Certainly Allison's got some great free resources on her website. So make a budget. That's going to be the next step to help you get back on track quickly and then forth, you know, I love this one. Is to give yourself grace. No one is perfect no matter how often you write a budget, something unexpected can and usually does pop up. And that's why we have that miscellaneous category in the budget. It's not just an extra place where you throw money you

don't know where to put. It is an intentional place in the budget because things come up every month. And if you've got uh, you know, if you own your own home, if you have multiple kids, stuff like that, then you may need to have a bigger miscellaneous fund. And it may feel like, oh, I'm pinching pennies and this just keeps me from breaching my goal faster. But

don't believe that leap mindset. A miscellaneous fun helps your budget stay in equilibrium because when you have a budget that fluctuates month to month, it's very hard to keep track of long term. So you want your budget to say as same month to month as possible, and having that miscellaneous fun means you don't have to do so much moving around in other categories to make this budget. That's like dollar for dollar, penny for penny on the mark with every category. It gives you room um to breathe.

I think this is such a good tip and probably related to my biggest area of difficulty that how I define falling off the bandwagon with my budget. I think sometimes I will feel as though I ruined my budget even though I have the money to spend on something, or it might feel as though, oh, I could do

without that thing. I think, especially for those of us who aren't who are more savers than spenders, I think it's also really good to identify what does it mean for me to actually ruin my budget or yeah, to not be on track anymore, and to be able to, like you said, Jen, have that grace, have that miscellaneous fun. Just because you are buying something that you might perceive to be frivolous doesn't always equate to you've ruined everything. So having room for that to happen if there is

room in what you earn for that. Absolutely so. The last one on here, number five is once you've done all of these steps prior, now set new goals. Now that you've written a budget and and you've done all of these things, the next thing, and maybe even your long term goals haven't shifted that much, but identifying a few short term money goals, and this should be related to certainly number one and number two of these steps of what was the initial problem or issue or pattern

that needs to be interrupted? And are there some new ways that I can actively work to interrupt that pattern or to make sure that this doesn't happen again. So if you identify, yes, it was FOMO that caused that impulse spend that I didn't want to do, then maybe you're you set goals around that of I'm not going to go out every single time my friends want to go to the bar, or if it is an impulse spend at a store, I'm not maybe it's a no

spend month that you want to do. There can be some short term goals to help put some action behind what you're identifying. You you want in your life, absolutely, and I've always known goals are super important, but I just recently got re reminded in my own life because we don't have any pressing short term goals right now.

But sometimes that makes me feel guilty because I'm like, we were doing so much with so little when we were paying off debt, and now I feel like we have more money and and we're saving, but like, what are we doing? I feel kind of pointless because I have retirement goals, but those are very far off and I realized for me, I need more short term goals that are not just arbitrary. I want to have X

in my retirement fund, like I need tangible goals. So we're kind of starting to maybe play around with what we have originally planned for retirement and investing and kind of change it up just so that we can be more effective in our mindset and what we do day to day. So it may not be what people are saying you should do, but if we if it makes us more effective budget ers and spenders and earners, then

it's better for us. It was identifying like I can't like an arbitrary amount of money is not a good enough goal for me. I need something else. M h. So you're saying you'll even set shorter term goals aimed at that long term goal, like now you're kind of more gamifying how you're saving for retirement and more bite size pieces. Well, we're thinking about investing in real estate sooner than what is originally planned. So I I mean, because then just having money in the bank isn't like

a good goal for me. Yeah, I don't know. It's just like a mental thing or an immaturity thing like that. It doesn't motivate me. Um, but I think doing something with the money is going to be more more motivating for me. So this is something I want, We want to do, both of us. It's not something like we feel like we have to do or as an arbitrary part of the plan. This is kind of like personalized for us. Sure. Yeah, And I think you're hitting on

something that is also connected to impulse spending. If we don't have some solid goals in place, ideas of where we want our money to go, then we are more apt to flippantly spend it on whatever. But if we've got something that we're really excited about, that can be a strong motivator to not purchase that random thing at the store that we saw that looked cool. So yeah, I think what you're saying helps with that. Yeah. And this also comes down to um, like you don't It

doesn't have to just be real estate. It can just be like knowing what you value and having goals based around your values. Those can be really great short term goals. Like for me, some of my values, like one of them is achievement and finishing things. And so that's why having a long way off goal it's not healthy for any it's you know, not the healthiest for anybody, but especially for me who feels like I need to be

taking the next tangible step, achieving something, finishing something very frequently. Um. I'm also in any Graham three, so that kind of like goes with that value. I need to have shorter term tangible goals. So I highly recommend you find what your core values are and make some new goals around those. Those canna be really helpful for short term. So, like, maybe you want to be very generous, but you see that your budget and your spending has not indicated that

you value generosity, but in your heart you do. So maybe your goal is to increase you're giving to wherever by one to five, or give to a new place something like that. Goals don't have to just be numbers in the bank. Mm hmm. Yeah. All right, So that is our first one, So thank you Allison for that beautiful masterpiece. Uh. The next is from Living Well, Spending Less, and it's another list of five like simple ways to get back on track, but instead of strategy, these are

more like concrete action tips. Yeah yeah, so we'll get into it. Uh. The first one is to freeze your spending I am particularly keen on this one because she says, freeze your spending, and I would call it a no spend challenge, And I know everybody in our Facebook group

and listeners love no spend challenges. So if you have gotten into spend mode or something big has happened and you need money fast, a really great tangible way to do that is to just take a spending spreese for spreese freeze it's a spending on spending spree um and and just take thirty days away from discretionary spending. So people ask all the time when I do a no spend challenge, like what do I do about my bills? What do I do about gas? And I'm like, you're

not impulse spending gas. Um. So you look at the things that you're more prone to impulse spend, habits, spend, mindless spend, emotional spend, all of those categories, and you stop spending on those things. UM. Food is kind of like the biggest issue because we still have to buy food. So it's like you can't avoid the grocery store, but you can avoid things that are not on your list, not in your meal plan, and not within the confines

of the budget. So, but some people choose to do a pantry challenge, on a no spend challenge where they just eat out of their pantry. I have never kept enough food on hand to do that. Um, but it is definitely a thing you can do. So freeze ready for the apocalypse, jem, I am not, no I have. We don't have a lot of storage in our kitchen already,

Like we don't have a pantry. We have three cabinets, four well, the fourth one is just all like small appliances, so we have actually we just have a cabinet and a half for food. That's all. Yeah, a cabinet and a half and then whatever's in our fridge. So and we're fine with that. Good for your work. Just won't come to your house when the world falls apart and we have to figure out whose house we're going to go to for that. Yeah, let's do that in the

after show. Okay. Uh. The second one on this is to save on food. And I really appreciate that this is on here. It doesn't state this, but I'm imagining because this is one of the biggest areas of overspending is on food and groceries, and it is the one that we have degrees of control over. Certainly, we spend a lot on rent or mortgage and utilities, but those are not as easily fluctuating. So food is usually the area of greatest difficulty and the area where we have

the most potential to rain it in. Now, I will say with this, the author of this article is really harping on coupons. If you're a coupon or hats off to you, that is not the route that I take or necessarily what I would recommend spending a ton of time on. I don't see the savings being worth it for the amount of time that it takes to do this and the lack of flexibility of where you can

shop when you've got coupons a different stores. Anyhow, that's a whole other conversation that we do have on various episodes. But the ultimate foundation of this concept is to save on food, and we've got plenty of episodes on how to do that again because it is our number one area of overspending, So check out some episodes on that. Certainly, like Jen said, consider a pantry challenge. If you do have more than one and a half cupboards for your food,

find ways to cut your spending. One of the tips is to shop the perimeter of the grocery store, meaning you're not going up and down all of the aisles of snacks and goodies. You're just getting the essentials of meat and produce. There's lots of different things that you can do to do to save on food groceries. Of course, don't go out to eat, do a do a month of no restaurants, whatever it takes. Really consider this area if you want to get back on track with your

budget quickly. Yes, the third one is one that I don't agree. It's the only one that I think is dated. But I have an alternative solution. So she says, donate items for a tax right off, I will say, donate items. Clean out your house, get your house all minimalized and simplified.

Donate these things to your buy nothing group. Because if you are spending time decluttering your house, you are not spending time spending money like it is a great time filler, and when your house is less cluttered, you actually feel less of a need to buy things. So when your house, when you feel like, okay, my living room decor is finished,

like I have completed decorating this room. When you see a candle or a eucalyptus wreath or something like online, you don't feel as much motivation to buy it because you don't feel like, oh, I just need one more thing to finish this decre So that's just one example that when you declutter and you simplify, it can help you spend less money and take and putting things on your buy nothing group takes way more time than donating

it to the thrift store. Um So it's not right for every situation, but it takes time and that's going to keep you from going to t J Max. And that's my goal. So that is my amendment to number three. Mm hmm. I like it. Number four is return or

sell items you don't need. I like the direction that this one's going because it's not just saying how do we ring in our budget, which we talked about with Allison's article, but also how can you potentially bring in some money or put money back into your pockets as you're trying to get back on track with your budget.

I really like this idea of returning items. I realized that it's not always possible, but sometimes we do have things lying around that still have tags on them, or that we thought we were going to use that we didn't. That can be returned even if we don't have a

receipt for them, So really consider that. I know for myself, I have a constant return pile in the trunk of my car, and I make sure to keep my receipts, specifically when I go shopping and I get things that might be outside the perimeter of quote unquote needs, might be a little bit more of luxury items. But if I decide when I get back home, you know what, Actually,

that doesn't work. I've made sure I didn't immediately throw out my receipt and then I just put it right back into the back of my trunk with the receipt taped to it. Done, we're ready to get money back, And of course, if that's not possible, consider selling your items, whether that's on Facebook, Marketplace or some other platform or even local yard sale groups. Certainly it's a great idea, especially as you link that with Jen's tip of just

decluttering minimizing. That can really jump start you and getting back on track if you can get money back. Yeah, it's like when you have a fresh start Physically, it translates to a fresh start mentally. So if you're mid month and you fall off, then create some kind of physical fresh start, even if it's small, and you will feel a renewed motivation mentally to jump back on your budget. Um, it's funny how how that happens, but it's absolutely true. The last one on this list is to tell your

money where to go. So another one saying you got to make a budget. It so and she she says, if your budget seems to be spiraling out of control, then it's time to crack down and find out exactly where your money is going. So I think sometimes we can mentally think life or budgets or things are spiraling out more than they may be in reality. So it's always good that if you get this emotional feeling like things are out of control, then you do something tangible

to feel in control. Um, and that's revisiting your budget. It can be changing something up or tracking, retracking things and putting like numbers on the on the paper to show yourself, Okay, it's messed up, but it's not out of control, so that you can put things back into perspective. That's super important. Yes, well said. You know what else is well said? And super important week. That's right, it's time for the best minute of your entire week. Maybe

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well said, thank you. Now it's time for the learning wound. Ah. Well, we all have stories, and while we could probably share budgeting stories all day, we wanted to specifically tell some stories about getting back on the wagon with budgeting nestle in that comfy cozy. It's story time. Yes, Um and Jill, I'd love for you to go first, because you're a much better budget than I am, so you haven't a story. And yet this is still vulnerable for me, But it's good.

It's necessary for people to know that we've not arrived, we're not effect Yes, I do I budget. I budget every two weeks related to the money that we make every two weeks, and still so much can happen in two weeks. So there's there's a lot of stories I could tell. I'm gonna I'm going to choose this one first of all. Every time that I do our budget every two weeks, Eric definitely gets a little nervous because usually, well, it can go one of two ways. Either I'm really

excited or I am nearly beside myself. And I will say, but since moving into a home that we have purchased in Florida, so thrilled for that, by the way, but it needs a lot of renovations and we have also had a lot of visitors, and my kitchen is a dumpster fire, and so cooking in it is not living my best life now. And so you name it for all of these reasons. We have spent in some weeks

more than what we've made. And I realized that during these budgeting sessions that I have by myself, and so at one point this would have been I don't know, a couple of months ago. This happened and I just got so serious and I walk into Eric while he's playing the drums, just live in his own best life. Meanwhile I'm like, we're spending more did we make. We cannot keep up with this, and it was really good

to get him on board. I think once I was actually able to show him the numbers, because I think sometimes he thinks I'm dramatic and I'm just like, we don't have enough. We're not and he's like, no, we make enough money, We've not spent that much. You're fine. But if I'm actually able to show him, here's the actual numbers of what we spent, here's the actual numbers of what we've made, we both need to be on

board to remedy and rectify the situation. And so once I was able to very realistically present this to him, he was Okay, yes, we need to do something about this. And I will say it began with raining in our grocery budget, it was a Okay, we need to eat at home for definitely the next five months. So that was the biggest way that we did get back on track.

And I think just realizing that and saying okay, we now are at that stopping point where we can't be collecting things what we have, we need to be content with and be more mindful going forward with what renovations were doing next and certainly what food we're eating. Mm hmm, so good. I think my is a similar story in looking at the numbers. Um is really motivating for me. Like I said earlier and in full transparency, Travis and

I are not great budget ors. We budgeted very strictly for a number of years in order to pay off debt and start our investing. But as we start and making more, we started saving more and and somewhere along the way we we stopped being a strict with budgeting. Will do it occasionally, but when we don't do it. In the months that we don't do it, I can feel myself getting anxious about money, even though I know we're spending less than we make because we've spent years

training ourselves to do that. This isn't just something we started doing, but there's still this emotional component of anxiety of not knowing and so and it is not until I look at the numbers to see what we're doing and to see that we're doing okay, but we could be doing better. And I think that's where the shorter term goal that I talked about earlier, that maybe two years out instead of goals that are five ten years out,

has been really important. And I think that's maybe one of the reasons why fire is so popular, like financial in depense retire early, because people are trying to take this goal that's maybe decades out and push it forward, you know, to five to ten years. But that's not our goal, So I need something in between there. And so we are definitely going to be looking at our numbers more often and um trying to optimize what we're making.

I think we're both Travis is starting a job where he's going to be making more money and I'm kind of at a slow season with my business. So it's kind of weird to flip flap back from like I used to be the one, you know, bringing all the money in and now I'm not. And that's like I can't spend the way that I was, So it's interesting. Yeah, budgeting is. I mean that's why I don't have a budgeting blog. I have a love hate relationship with it. But when people are like, how am I going to

get my money together? I'm like, you have to budget, like, there's no other way. Yeah, until you build up some of those habits, like you said, it didn't just happen overnight, and now you can kind of keep a pulse on it without needing to do it every week. Yeah, and there is a way to do like really quick and easy budgeting by like keeping things the same every month, but that's also something you have to work up too, So you have to have a buffer in your bank

account in order to do that. So but for at first, you have to do just bare bones, zero base budgeting. Well, thanks everyone for listening to this episode. We hope that there's been some helpful tips for you all in how to get back on track once you feel like you fell off the bandwagon with your money. It is possible. Please don't allow that one mistake or a few mistakes to make you feel as though it's it's a lost cause at this point, it's not it's never a lost cause.

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get you into the drawing. And don't forget to tag us on social. We'll see it and we'll see you next week. Bye. Frugal Friends is produced by Eric Syrian. Okay, who's house for the apocalypse? M. I mean I'll just tell you straight up, parents Travis's parents farm. Oh yeah, that's smart. If we can make it up there, it is an hour. Um, if it's in a pinch, I might go to Joseph and Jess's house, UM because I feel like Joseph will spare no expense in UM and

and they both um like professionally shoot guns. You know they're good at it. Oh wow, you're thinking, Okay, you're going there with it. I'm thinking apocalypse. What are you thinking? I mean, apocalypse can just mean that the world is ending. It doesn't mean that we have to kill people. You don't, I mean you don't think people are gonna get mean and the apocalypse shot somebody. Neither am I, But I'll go to Jess honest to goodness. I'm not a survivalist.

I just want to be where is their good food? As I ride this thing. I don't need to survive it, Okay, not need to be the last one in that case. My in laws um is a great place because I believe they even own a cannon. Um, you're all about the weapons. I just want to know where is their food? Where is their wine? I'm gonna find myself there coming get me. That's fine. They live next door to a bunch of dogs, like some kind of dog breeding like under the table thing, so people might be scared to

even come close to the property. I'm all about isolation, um, And how can I stay safe? Um? I'm all about good food and wine. Yeah, and my mother in law is a fantastic cook. Um, and my father in law is a fantastic winemaker. That's where I want to find myself. You can hold yourself up with the guns and the cannons and the dogs. That'll be a fun life to

come out of that hole. All the thing is here, But you've got your guns and cannons, all the things that I dislike I'm going to hold up in the Apocalypse with It's very telling um of my true nature. I guess that's disappointing. You are an achiever, so I want to just do the Apocalypse the best. We just have different definitions. I'm in Angiogram three too, but we just have different definitions of like was doing the best? Yeah? Oh that's so interesting. Well, glad we somewhat figured that out.

We definitely learned more about each other today. Yeah, and everybody listening learned more about both of us, for better or for work. Oh goodness, all right,