Fringe Legal - podcast cover

Fringe Legal

Abhijat Saraswatwww.fringelegal.com
The Fringe Legal Podcast is a collection of conversations with legal innovators on how to put ideas into practice. Each episode is a discussion with a change-maker who shares their ideas, insights, and lessons from their journey.
Last refreshed:
Follow this podcast in the Metacast mobile app to refresh it and see new episodes.
Download Metacast podcast app
Podcasts are better in Metacast mobile app
Don't just listen to podcasts. Learn from them with transcripts, summaries, and chapters for every episode. Skim, search, and bookmark insights. Learn more

Episodes

How a bunch of law students are solving the A2J problem

Mouthpiece Law is a student-run not-for-profit. As the world’s first legal education & technology platform, they connect and empower law students and legal professionals to form a legal aid task force and address legal needs through low-cost legal services. Avinash Pillay is the COO and Chief Legal Engineer at Mouthpiece Law.

May 25, 202128 minSeason 3Ep. 38

How to develop and launch a LegalTech startup with Len Hickey

Len Hickey is an IP lawyer and founder of Litigaze a case evaluation tool for modern legal teams that enables the evaluation of complex cases using intuitive visual planning. You can find out more about Litigaze at and connect with Len Hickey on LinkedIn .

May 10, 202118 minSeason 3Ep. 37

Build, Buy, or Invest with Elani Buchan of MDR Lab

Elani is a leader in building high-growth startups through streamlined operations. After earning her master's from King's College, London, and serving more than two years at the Peace Corp. Elani spent almost a decade helping emerging tech companies develop, optimize and scale their operations marketing, and people processes. Elani is now the venture program manager at MDR Lab. Topics What is MDR Lab (1:55) Three different arms of MDR lab (2:33) Build vs buy - which gives you the biggest return ...

Apr 22, 202131 minSeason 3Ep. 36

Delivering quick time to value using AI tools with Jim Chiang of My Legal Einstein

Jim Chiang is the founder of My Legal Einstein , an AI-powered legal contract review tool. “So when you think about a time the value of that to actually have that much of a limiting factor in terms of getting to some point of value, you could have done a stand why Legal AI hasn't really gained a huge amount of adoption. So My Legal Einstein really is intended to have a user who never actually has heard of My Legal Einstein. They actually go onto a site, they register, they log in and then they g...

Apr 12, 202120 minSeason 3Ep. 35

Performance optimization for lawyers and general counsels

Parul Patel is the founder of Fuel and Move , a consultancy that helps Partners of law firms and General Counsels develop their teams and lawyers for performance optimization. “So performance optimization means that you're delivering at a high level of performance, but you're not, it's not coming at the expense of exhaustion burnout, a lot of these things that we see quite prevalent within the legal sector.” “So we're just focusing on the technical skills and the technical knowledge and forgetti...

Mar 29, 202136 minSeason 3Ep. 34

Matthew Golab - why successfully introducing artificial intelligence in legal tech is a challenge

Why successfully introducing artificial intelligence in legal tech is a challenge Matthew Golab is the Director of Legal Informatics and R+D at Gilbert + Tobin. He leads a specialized in-house multidisciplinary legal informatics team that utilizes a variety of data analytics and eDiscovery, and other AI technology tools. Matthew has more than 20 years of experience in the legal technology industry, including two of Australia’s preeminent law firms. If you've been in the legal profession for any ...

Mar 23, 202136 minSeason 3Ep. 33

Rasmeet Charya - Using technology to maximize the value of legal services

Rasmeet Charya is the Chief Innovation Officer at Algo Legal . As Chief Innovation Officer, Rasmeet brings a strong passion for transforming how law firms and lawyers work with clients and think about innovation. From understanding problems, curating ideas, and facilitating innovation processes, Rasmeet leads a team that focuses on analyzing how technology can be used by the firm to enhance transparency, increase access, create efficiencies, and offer a new brand of service. Algo Legal is a new ...

Mar 10, 202127 minSeason 3Ep. 32

Giles Thompson on challenging the status quo

Giles Thompson is the Head of Growth @ Avvoka 📈, former lawyer at Kirkland & Ellis and Herbert Smith Freehills ⚖️, Agriculturalist & Foodie 🚜, and tech investor & entrepreneur 🚀 Giles left practice a year ago to join the world of legal technology, and during this conversation we discuss: How the culture has shifted from his days in practice vs what he hears today The challenge of collaboration and different approaches firms are taking Pertinent skills/thoughts for future and newly...

Mar 02, 202127 minSeason 3Ep. 31

Jan Hards - making the move from lawyer to innovator

Jan Hards is the Director of Legal Innovation at Johnson Winter & Slattery. After years of practicing as a Corporate M&A Lawyer at Freshfields in the UK, and then later at Johnson Winter & Slattery, he made a deliberate move to become the firm’s Director of Legal Innovation. We discuss how Jan worked through that decision, what were some assumptions that he made, and some of the challenges. We also explore how Jan and the business look at the innovation function - through five object...

Feb 21, 202150 minSeason 3Ep. 30

Floor Blindenbach - Innovation management for law firms

Innovation management helps to optimize the innovation process, identify bottlenecks and increase the productivity of innovation, investment, and resources. Floor Blindenbach is the founder of Organizing4Innovation. Trigged by a recent whitepaper, I speak with Floor to discuss her views on innovation management for law firms. We spoke about: the importance of treating innovation as a process definition for innovation' the role of culture in driving innovative efforts Innovation as a way to devel...

Feb 14, 202135 minSeason 3Ep. 29

Alice Stephenson on breaking down barriers

Alice Stephenson is a founder and tech lawyer driving inclusion and innovation in law and promoting individuality within the legal profession. Alice founded Stephenson Law in 2017 to create a law firm that does things differently. Tackling each stereotype head-on, she is on a mission to build a forward-thinking, innovative law firm that puts people at the heart of everything it does. Alice's goal is to inspire young women to challenge the perceived barriers to success and see that anything is po...

Jan 30, 202127 minSeason 3Ep. 28

Innovation and Transformation Perspectives From Around the World

Innovation and Transformation Perspectives From Around the World Ab: [00:00:00] Innovation and transformation perspectives from around the world There is tremendous variability in how the legal industry approaches innovation and technology initiatives, and the range is greater still when you expand the scope to different jurisdictions and regions worldwide. Through a series of interviews with innovation leaders and a review of published materials. I explored some of the factors that influence in...

Jan 17, 202120 minSeason 3Ep. 27

Contracting mistakes with Alex Hamilton

Contracts are crucial to the legal process, however more frequently the process of contracting can be painful. In this episode we discuss how to remove unnecessary barriers from contracts while offering the same protections, benchmarking the performance of your contracts, and Alex’s reflections on 10 years since founding Radiant Law. Key quotes Quotes have been extracted from the live conversation and have been edited for grammar and minor corrections. “looking now from where we were 10 years ag...

Dec 17, 202029 minSeason 3Ep. 26

Alex Low on leveraging LinkedIn to build your brand

Alex Low is an expert in helping businesses implement and adopt marketing and sales strategies. He regularly speaks to experts through his podcast The Death of a Salesman and applies the principles at BeyondSales and DLA ignite. Oh and he's worked in the BD function at PwC, as Client Relationship Manager at BLP (now BCLP), lead Client Dev at JLL, and more. In this episode we discuss: Why good marketing and a strong personal brand has never been more important How to implement a marketing transfo...

Dec 07, 202030 minSeason 3Ep. 25

Janet Stanton - Benefits of a Strategic Client Management Program

In this episode of Fringe Legal, host Abhijat Saraswat speaks with Janet Stanton. I reached out to Janet after having read her article on the importance of strategic client management. We discuss the topic in detail including what it means, the benefits for individuals and the firm, implementation advice, and pitfalls to avoid. Janet is an accomplished business person who brings her experience from diverse industries and professional service organizations to bear on issues currently facing Law L...

Dec 03, 202032 minSeason 3Ep. 24

Making innovation everyone's business with Allister Spencer

Making innovation everyone's business with Allister Spencer Innovation has as many definitions as the number of people you ask to define it. Regardless of what you think of as "innovative," the execution needs to permeate the business. Abhijat Saraswat speaks with Allister Spencer on how to make innovation everyone's business. In this episode, we’ll go over: Review the state of the union earlier this year firms put their hand brakes on; some thrived, some fell apart. What drove this? What were t...

Nov 23, 202028 minSeason 3Ep. 23

Networked - how a group of women came together to write a book during Covid-19

On this episode of Fringe Legal Edge – host Abhijat Saraswat speaks with six outstanding women. There are each uniquely impressive, but all have one thing in common. They met (as well as 14 others) through a Linkedin networking group at the beginning of the pandemic. This one act led to the writing of an anthology of their struggles, experiments, and triumphs. Ab speaks with Winter Wheeler, Shari E. Belitz, Esq., Lisa Lang, Laura M. Gregory, Esq., Deb Feder, and Christon Halkiotis. Their stories...

Nov 15, 202032 minSeason 3Ep. 22

Chatter #2 feat. Vincent Michetti

Chatter is a special episode where Abhijat sits down with Vincent Michetti to discuss 3-5 varied topics. In this episode they discuss: Deloitte buys Kemp Little: Deloitte UK has bought the law firm Kemp Litte, which adds 86 lawyers (inc. 29 partners) to the legal roster for the company. We've been through this before, throughout the 1990s the Big Five accounting firms (as they were at the time)—Arthur Andersen, KPMG, Ernst & Young (EY), PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC), and Deloitte—made a conce...

Nov 08, 202030 minSeason 3Ep. 21

Solving the Last Mile Problem for the Utilisation of Legal Technology

Ab: Hello everyone. And welcome to this experimental episode. And this episode will be using machine learning too. read out one of the articles I've written in the past. Probably will be getting a few of these in the coming months. So please do let me know what your thoughts are and excuse any mispronunciations from the ai you can find the full text of the article on fringe legal.com and as always love to hear your feedback. Enjoy. AI narrator 1: This is the audio version of an article, read by ...

Oct 04, 202010 minSeason 3Ep. 20

Eric Laughlin on the rigidity and plasticity we can expect from technology

Eric Laughlin is the CEO of Agiloft - the no-code contract and commerce lifecycle management software company. I think, as everything changed, people had to have had sort of two insights: one insight is that the world changes more rapidly than I even thought that it could. And then the second thing is, I, as an individual, as a human, was able to adapt more quickly than I thought that I might've been able to. And that sort of plasticity that we discovered in the world and in ourselves, I hope ha...

Oct 03, 202033 minSeason 3Ep. 19

Ray Bierderman on innovation, cloud and working with in-house/outside counsel

Ray Biederman is an experienced litigator with nearly two decades of experience removing obscurity from the eDiscovery process for other attorneys and corporate resources. Ray is the President and co-founder of DiscoveryMaster.co, CEO of Proteus Discovery Group, and Partner at Mattingly Burke Cohen & Biederman LLP. most people went to law school to practice law and not to practice technology, or practice updating Excel spreadsheets all the time. It's like the rule of 80% rule, right? You cov...

Sep 15, 202019 minSeason 3Ep. 18

Global innovation viewpoint - initiatives & projects sprouted during the pandemic

This is a replay from the Fringe Legal Virtual Summit held earlier this year. This panel brings together four leading knowledge managers and innovators to discuss some of the projects they have started or have seen sprouted in crisis situations. The panel will bring together a world view as we'll be joined by Thao and Priti is the US (New York and Chicago respectively), Barbara in Brazil, and Terri in Australia. On the panel were: Priti Saraswat, Bárbara Gondim da Rocha, Terri Mottershead, and T...

Aug 27, 20201 hr 16 minSeason 3Ep. 16

Fringe Legal Edge with Vincent Michetti

Ab and Vincent sit down for the first of the monthly “chatter” segments on Fringe Legal during which they discuss the Epic vs. Apple/Google saga, California vs. Uber and Lyft, and the upcoming Microsoft Surface Duo device. You can watch the video version of the recording here: https://www.fringelegal.com/august-chatter-with-vincent-michetti/ You can Vincent Michetti on LinkedIn .

Aug 23, 202032 minSeason 3Ep. 15

Mick Sheehey on data driven decision making

Mick Sheehy joined PwC as a partner in October 2018 to build and run PwC’s Australian NewLaw practice, focussed on providing strategic consulting, technology, and outsourcing solutions to legal departments. Mick is a recognized international leader in the field of legal innovation and transformation, having won numerous international legal innovation awards and with his work the subject of a case study for Harvard Law School. Mick founded and chaired the Corporate Legal Operations Consortium Aus...

Aug 17, 202042 minSeason 3Ep. 14

Andrea Miskolczi on Innovation and Transformation

Andrea is a visionary leader with a passion for combining digitalisation with human potential. She has 20+ years of experience in the legal business both as a transactional lawyer and as a leader for various business areas (marketing, business development, innovation, and legal tech). If you haven't already, be sure to subscribe to the Fringe Legal Newsletter to get 3-5 interesting ideas delivered every Sunday. Join 530+ people. It's free. Join at www.fringelegal.com/newsletter Summary Why every...

Jul 23, 202033 minSeason 3Ep. 13

Alma Asay - KM and Innovation at the Am Law 200 firms

Alma is an Evangelist at Litera. Alma is a legal technology expert and trusted advisor to Litera clients, helping them to bring innovative ways of thinking and practice to life. Previously, Alma was the Chief Innovation Officer, Legal Solutions, at Integreon Discovery Solutions. Alma joined Integreon as part of its acquisition of her litigation management software business, Allegory, where she was Founder and CEO. Alma has been researching the prevalence of knowledge management and innovation ro...

Jul 19, 202027 minSeason 3Ep. 12

S3E10 Mike Whelan on legal supply chain

Mike Whelan, Jr. We think we understand the complexity of the supply chain, but that complexity in a weird way, feeds efficiency, cost control, and quality in a way that we just wouldn't expect. We think we're all artisans. And of course, in a big firm, [and] in law school, we're taught to be sort of artisanal. Mike has worked in logistics, solo law practice, and legal media. He teaches about the overlaps between those activities and what they mean for attorneys and the companies that aim to ser...

Jun 29, 202041 minSeason 3Ep. 10

S3E9 Dr Allan McCay on Neuroscience, Ethics and Criminal Law

Dr. Allan McCay has a PhD in Law (University of Sydney), is an admitted solicitor in Scotland, Hong Kong, New South Wales, and Tasmania (Australia). He is an author of several books, and teaches at the University of Sydney Foundation Program and will again be lecturing in Criminal Law at the University of Sydney Law School in semester 2, 2020. And so, on that view, it seems like the human consciousness doesn't seem to add much because ultimately human decision making is algorithmic and as these ...

Jun 22, 202054 minSeason 3Ep. 9
Hosted on Transistor
For the best experience, listen in Metacast app for iOS or Android