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Fringe Legal

Abhijat Saraswatwww.fringelegal.com
The Fringe Legal Podcast is a collection of conversations with legal innovators on how to put ideas into practice. Each episode is a discussion with a change-maker who shares their ideas, insights, and lessons from their journey.
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Episodes

S3E8 Chrissie Wolfe of Law and Broader

Chrissie Wolfe is a solicitor in Irwin Mitchell's international personal injury team, specializing in claims arising outside of England and Wales. She also runs the YouTube channel, Law and Broader. In this episode you'll learn about: Chrissie’s interesting path to law, including homeschooling Going from bad A-levels, pivoting from studying biology to law How Chrissie saw a need for content to be delivered in a specific way (YouTube/video) and just dove right in. The thought process behind it, a...

Jun 11, 202039 minSeason 3Ep. 8

S3E7 Katrina Gowans on managing change

It's really important to spend that initial time on the vision. The 'why are we doing it?' And, the next sort of stage for me was them saying - the technology that we were adopting was really just a tool to get us on that vision. It's not the solution, because we're the solution. Like how we use it is the solution, but here's the tool that we're going to start with for us on our vision. Then there was a lot of planning. The next thing is really being quite studious, really detail-oriented about ...

Jun 04, 202043 minSeason 3Ep. 7

S3E6 Karina Vazirova on chess, regtech and disruption

In legal, to me, it will be about the challenger law firms... just have to flip a few things upside down. And, introduce a disruptive new model of doing business in this space. And that will happen in law, and you see this already, you see this with, for example, Deloitte legal, coming out. And there are a few new-law law firms, as well that are in this space and are trying different models. We recorded this conversation in Feb 2020, and of course, the world changed dramatically since then. As a...

May 28, 202049 minSeason 3Ep. 6

S3.E5 Sam Moore of Burness Paull on skills for future lawyers

Sam leads business transformation projects across every division of Burness Paull. In particular, Sam helps teams within the firm to identify opportunities for automation and/or augmented workflows, making sure that Burness Paull takes full advantage of innovations in legal technology in delivering our services and delighting our clients. There's an old saying that there are three kinds of work in the world: there's good work, there's fast work, and there's cheap work - you can pick any two you ...

May 21, 202037 minSeason 3Ep. 5

Bonus: Shannon Desmarais - practicalities of returning to work

when we come back to work, it's going to be really interesting how we'll be able to help support the remote worker as well as those that, want to maintain some level of tradition. Shannon is a successful outsourced solution professional with 25 years of law firm experience. Shannon has been with Canon 21 years originally serving as the Midwest Operations Manager for 10 years where she and her service team implemented and managed some of our largest and most innovative law firm accounts. Having b...

May 11, 202016 minSeason 3Ep. 5

S3.E4 Maziar Jamnejad on the spectrum of innovation in legal practices

I'm not sure that AI has changed what we do more than electricity did, and somehow they [lawyers] were able to absorb that. So actually, you know, where's the gap , we always assume they can't absorb technology, but maybe they can. Maz will also be speaking at the 2020 Fringe Legal Virtual Summit, where he will expand on many of these items. Register at www.fringelegal.com/summit if you look at the time spent on talking about the subject versus the number of real-world effects, it's not what you...

May 01, 202047 minSeason 3Ep. 4

S3.E3 Torsten Torpe on Legal Tech Innovation

In 2015, Torsten joined the M&A Corporate department of the international law firm of Bech-Bruun as a project coordinator. Not long afterward, Torsten got involved in the development of Bech-Bruun’s legal tech projects and, for the past few years, has been one of the driving forces behind the implementation of AI and document automation software across the organisation. In January 2019, Bech-Bruun launched its 2022 Strategy and this involved Torsten being appointed Head of Legal Tech Innovat...

Apr 23, 202039 minSeason 3Ep. 3

S3.E2 Love Legal speaks with Fringe Legal

People don't love legal and, if we can help people to love the legal process, um, I think that's, that's really where it [the idea] came from. In the episode today we cover: How Love Legal got their start How making improvements to the design can help people to love the legal process What are some of the considerations when thinking about the consumer point of view, especially for B2C or B2B2C businesses We do also specifically talk about (and speculate) on what might be the future of Will writi...

Apr 16, 202043 minSeason 3Ep. 2

S3.E1 Legal Upheaval with Michele DeStefano

The call for innovation is really a call for service transformation in disguise. What clients are really asking for is a different way of servicing and working with them, and that in itself is an innovation in terms of process. We kick off the third season of the podcast with the fantastic Michele DeStefano. The basis of this episode is exploring some of the ideas behind Michele's book - Legal Upheaval. We talk about: What clients are asking for from lawyers How GCs and Corporates feel about the...

Apr 09, 202051 minSeason 3Ep. 1

S2.E10 Jan Roggen of Adhemar Law on change management and practical innovation

In 2012, Jan Roggen founded Adhemar.law, a Belgian environmental and real estate boutique law firm, recognized by clients, peers and legal 500. In 2015, he started exploring new service, delivery models. While doing so, he learned that he did not have the required business skills to effectively drive and lead innovation in the firm. So he took the leap and moved to Canada with his family to study innovation management at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario while managing the firm remotely. D...

Mar 12, 202038 minSeason 2Ep. 10

S2.E9 Talking Legal Transformation with Kim Lewis

Kim Lewis is the Legal Transformation Manager at Gilbert + Tobin. At the end of the day, it all comes down to clients. That's what we're doing. It's delivering a service to clients so how we deliver that service. What happens to all legal advice once we give it to the client is a really interesting point. Kim is a UK qualified lawyer and consultant in the Legal Service Innovation team at G+T. She designs solutions for lawyers, working closely with deal teams to project manage and streamline larg...

Feb 27, 202049 minSeason 2Ep. 9

S2.E8 Discussing the transformation of the legal industry with Isabella Galeano

Isabella Galeano is the founder of The Technolawgist. She is head of legal at Abertis Mobility Services, legal tech and legal innovation consultant and Director of the Legal Tech Programme at Esade Law School. Her mission is to contribute to the transformation of the legal industry and to inspire lawyers around the world. I mean, changing is always scary. Changing is always difficult, but the cost of not changing, that's scarier to me at this point. Show notes Isabella has a great breadth of kno...

Feb 13, 202037 minSeason 2Ep. 8

S2.E7 Creating new business opportunities using no-code platforms with Jackson Liu of Neota Logic

In recent years, there has been an increase in the number of no-code application development platforms being available. Specifically, there has been an uptick in the adoption of these platforms within the legal profession. In this episode, we speak with Jackson Liu on Neota Logic to get a primer on no-code application development. A trend that we're seeing with professional service firms and law firms is that they would build a solution or a product for a particular client and then realize we ca...

Jan 30, 202041 minSeason 2Ep. 7

S2.E6 Changing Landscape of Australia Legal Technology with Stewart Rasmussen

On the show today, we have Stewart Rasmussen. Stew is a friend, a technologist, and someone who is extremely knowledgeable about the Australian market, especially the legal segment. He's previously worked for the likes of Phoenix Business Solutions in the UK and APAC, served as the Head of Client Services APAC for HighQ, and most recently was the Director of Legal Technology for KPMG Australia. Stew was at KPMG when we recorded this conversation in 2019 - all views are his own and not those of h...

Jan 16, 202034 minSeason 2Ep. 6

S2.E5 Knowledge Management Q&A with Allison Hosking

Allison Hosking is the Head of Knowledge Management at Al Tamimi & Co where she oversees a team responsible for all aspects of the firm’s knowledge management strategy across their 17 offices. Prior to joining Al Tamimi, Allison worked for over a decade for a magic circle law firm as a senior knowledge and learning manager working in their London, New York and Dubai offices. She is a qualified lawyer and has worked and practised in several jurisdictions including Chile, the USA and India. Al...

Jan 02, 202038 minSeason 2Ep. 5

S2.E4 Nina Gratrick on Technology Transformation and Evolution of IT Service Delivery

Nina Gratrick is the Head of IT Services at the global law firm of Watson Farley & Williams. Nina Gratrick An experienced Service Delivery Manager with a demonstrated history of working in the legal industry at a global level. She's a skilled resource manager capable of crossing the divide between technology and people; facilitating engagement at all levels. A coach, a mentor, an agent for change within organisations, supporting people, process and technology transformation to reshape the vi...

Dec 19, 201945 minSeason 2Ep. 4

S2.E3 Laura Collins Scott of Clifford Chance's On Leading The Create+65 Innovation Lab

Laura Collins Scott is the Innovation Lead for Clifford Chance in Singapore. In this episode we talk about Laura experience on leading the Create+65 Innovation Lab in Singapore. Laura Collins Scott began working with Clifford Chance in 2017 when she was initially engaged to define the strategy and business plan for Clifford Chance Applied Solutions.Laura founded BB Consulting in 2016 to help incumbent companies and start-ups design and build innovative products for their customers. SUBSCRIBE AND...

Dec 05, 201942 minSeason 2Ep. 3

S2.E2 Peter Buck of NetDocuments on tackling multi-teaming

On this episode we have Peter Buck, VP, Product Strategy at NetDocuments. The core of the conversation focuses on tackling multi-teaming - the effects of having multiple people working on multiple projects simultaneously. We pivot then to focus on productivity, discussing how it can be measured and the impact of constant context switching, discussing against the background that it takes one around 25 minutes to reach full productivity, but people are interrupted every 3 minutes! Art (culture and...

Nov 21, 201924 minSeason 2Ep. 2

S2.E1 Maya Markovich of Dentons Nextlaw Labs on Catalyzing Innovation

Welcome to the 2nd season of the Fringe Legal podcast. In the first episode we speak with the Maya Markovich , Head of Product at Dentons Nextlaw Labs . The core theme of the episode is all around innovation; we cover three broad categories: The 3 different pillars of NextLaw labs, and how innovation can take the robot out of the lawyer How do you catalyze innovation? What that means, and the importance of becoming the connective tissue across the firm/business Impact of legal tech on access to ...

Nov 07, 201939 minSeason 2Ep. 1

Season 2 Trailer

A sneak peak into Season 2 of the Fringe Legal podcast. Episode one of the second season comes out of November 7, 2019. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to be notified of new episodes.

Nov 05, 20193 min

S1.E10 Clarissa Rayward on finding happiness in the practice of law

Clarissa Rayward, also known as ‘The Happy Family Lawyer’, specialises in helping couples stay out of Court and work together to reach a resolution to their relationship breakdown. A practising family lawyer,she is the Director of the Brisbane Family Law Centre, a multidisciplinary practice. Clarissa is based in Brisbane, Australia is a speaker, author, and hosts the popular podcast “Happy Lawyer, Happy Life”. SUBSCRIBE AND REVIEW : iTunes // Spotify // Pocket Casts // Stitcher Some of the items...

May 10, 201936 minSeason 1Ep. 10

S1.E9 Thao Tran on crowdsourcing ideas, the importance of mentorship, and embracing the KM role

In this penultimate episode of season one, I speak with the fantastic Thao Tran. Thao is the Knowledge Manager at the international firm Fried Frank. She's based in New York, and is also the Member Liaison for ILTA in NYC. Thao has a unusual route into knowledge management, and in exploring how she got there, we learn ways that can help break into a new role, crowdsource ideas and separate the signal from the noise. At the end of the episode, I was left with a few pages of notes (and Thao even s...

May 03, 201942 minSeason 1Ep. 9

S1.E8 Nicola Shaver on design thinking for lawyers & law firms

Nicola Shaver is the global Director of Knowledge Management at Paul Hastings LLP in New York. In her role, she focuses on opportunities to optimize processes and introduce tools that will improve efficiency and productivity, and on leveraging the firm's intellectual capital to better serve clients. Nicola has worked in the legal services industry for over 15 years in three different jurisdictions. Nicola is passionate about finding innovative solutions to existing problems, building a culture o...

Apr 26, 201939 minSeason 1Ep. 8

S1.E7 Angela Dowd on developing an innovator's mindset

Angela Dowd is the Director of Practice Innovation for the law firm of Burns & Levinson LLP in Boston, Massachusetts. In her current role with the firm, she is works with practice groups and administrative departments to increase efficiency and streamline business processes. She has also been active member of the International Legal Technology Association (ILTA) for many years, speaking at the annual conference. She is in her second term on the Board of Directors, currently serving as Presid...

Apr 19, 201938 minSeason 1Ep. 7

S1.E6 Paul Domnick on the changing landscape of the legal profession

Paul Domnick is President of Litera Microsystems, having been President of Litéra Corp from 2014 to 2017. He brings unique insight into the utility of the Litera Microsystems’ risk management solutions having previously been CIO of Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer for five years. Before taking on this role in early 2007, Paul was head of global IT sourcing for Zurich Financial Services. SUBSCRIBE AND REVIEW : iTunes // Spotify // Pocket Casts // Stitcher Paul is such a font of knowledge, and has s...

Apr 12, 201954 minSeason 1Ep. 6

S1.E5 Tom Haines on autonomous privacy first timekeeping

Thomas Haines is a software engineer and entrepreneur . He is the CEO/Founder of Practice Insight and he currently works on the company's latest tool - WiseTime, an autonomous, privacy first timekeeping software. Tom holds a BSc, LLB (Hons), and LLM, and has qualified as a solicitor, barrister and Australian registered patent attorney. SUBSCRIBE AND REVIEW : iTunes // Spotify // Pocket Casts // Stitcher This was an interesting conversation, speaking with someone who has had quick a varied backgr...

Apr 05, 201943 minSeason 1Ep. 5

S1.E4 Andrea Markstrom & Meredith Lonner on being women leaders

Andrea Markstrom serves as Blank Rome’s Chief Information Officer, responsible for leading Firm-wide technology and security initiatives across all of Blank Rome’s practices and geographies. Andrea also started the Women Leaders Networking Group in New York, and would welcome any questions and provide more information anyone interested. Meredith Lonner is the Administrator at Franklin, Weinrib, Rudell & Vassallo, P.C. a leading boutique law firm based in New York City specializing in enterta...

Mar 29, 201944 minSeason 1Ep. 4

S1.E3. Stevie Ghiassi on Blockchain Disrupting Legal

Stevie Ghiassi is CEO of Legaler, a secure online communication and collaboration tool for lawyers, CEO of Legaler Aid, a blockchain-based legal aid service that promotes access to justice, as well as President of the Australian Legal Technology Association. SUBSCRIBE AND REVIEW : iTunes // Spotify // Pocket Casts // Stitcher Stevie wears a number of hats, and most recently he published the viral book Blockchain for Lawyers. Rather than talking about the ins-and-outs of blockchain technology, in...

Mar 22, 201945 minSeason 1Ep. 3

S1.E2. Kate Simpson on intrepreneurship, and disrupting from within

Some of the items we cover in the episode include: Kate’s move from being a consultant to law firms, to working in a law firm. The concept of ikigai , and the venn diagram of Kate’s viewpoints people law tech What does KM mean to Kate, and how she segments her projects into four buckets: Research & development (innovations) Precedents and playbook Training Practice innovation (process + pricing) Entrepreneurship and Intrepreneurship at Bennett Jones The importance of being curious and listen...

Mar 15, 201946 minSeason 1Ep. 2

S1.E1. ILTA CEO, Joy Heath Rush on the changing legal landscape

Joy Heath Rush is the CEO of International Legal Technology Association, and a industry veteran. SUBSCRIBE AND REVIEW : iTunes // Spotify // Pocket Casts // Stitcher In this this inaugural episode of the podcast, we speak with Joy about her views on the changing legal landscape. Amongst other items, we discuss testing assumptions she had about the ILTA community, trends she's seeing in the legal profession, and what firm leaders can put into action immediately to make a noticeable difference. SH...

Mar 08, 201949 minSeason 1Ep. 1
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