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This is Fresh Air. I'm Terry Gross. This year marks the 40th anniversary of the first album by the band Bon Jovi. Since then, the band has sold more than 130 million albums. After decades of singing and themic songs like Living on a Prayer, you give love a bad name and want to dead or alive. In sold out stadiums around the world, my guest, Jon Bon Jovi, started having vocal problems that got worse over time. He tried every kind of therapy and when none of them was effective enough to do so,
to make a significant difference, he did what he wanted to avoid. He had surgery. Although it didn't restore his voice to what it used to be, the surgery made it possible for him to sing again. Now, Jon Bon Jovi is the subject of a new documentary called Thank You Good Night, the Bon Jovi Story. It alternates between a retrospective of his life and career and is reckoning with his vocal problems over the past few years.
In celebration of the 40th anniversary, a new Bon Jovi album called Forever will be released in June. One song, Legendary, has already been released. We'll hear that a little later. This year in conjunction with the Grammys, Bon Jovi was named the Music Care's Person of the Year. The tribute concert included a performance by his new Jersey friend, Bruce Springsteen, who Bon Jovi has known since he was a teenager.
Let's start with the best known track from his first album called Bon Jovi, which was released 40 years ago. The song is Run Away. This year in conjunction with Bon Jovi, Bon Jovi was named the Music Care's Person of the Year, which was released in June.
She's the seed in your eyes Who's going around your head Oh, she's a little runaway Daddy's girl in the past All those things they couldn't say Oh, she's a little runaway That's Runaway from Bon Jovi's first album recorded 40 years ago John Bon Jovi, welcome back to Fresh Air
And congratulations on the anniversary and the documentary and the new album and the successful surgery It's great to be here and it's great to talk to you again and look forward to this interview Oh, me too So let's go back 40 years ago when the song we just heard was released What were you hoping for when you released your first album and what did you expect from your future?
Boy, the future was bright but nobody had any idea where it would lead us I think that all you could ever prayed for was that somebody would give you an opportunity and for me that opportunity came when I went to see a DJ in 1983 and was fortunate enough that that new radio station
did not have a receptionist when I tapped on the window of the broadcast booth to DJ made the sign of Shush by putting his finger across his lips and the program director came out he said, what can I help you with and I told him I'd love him to hear some music
they asked me to wait until after the shift he came out, he heard that song run away and he said, you know, that's a hit song and I said, I know and then they proceeded to tell me about a homegrown talent album that they wanted to support and that song could be on that record Little did I know that that was going to lead to a major record deal that I still have today some 40 years later So 40 years ago when you were starting your recording career who did you think you would be in your 60s?
Did you think you'd still be performing did you think you'd ever be in your 60s? Because when you're 20s you don't think you know 60s seems like leaps and leaps away You know back in those days I think as far ahead as I'd ever dreamt was the year 2000 because it was that magical science fiction number where are we as a race going to be in 2000
At that time I was meant to be 38 years old I thought, am I going to still have record deal while I have a family but I never dreamt about 2024 and a 40th anniversary who could have Were you listening to any performers who are the age you are now?
Hmm, sure, but they were my parents favorites Frank Sinatra Dean Martin Jean Audrie God, I love Jean Audrie So did I I was already somebody just asked what was the first records I recall and it was Jean Audrie because it was so long ago I mean I love Sinatra too Yeah
But so they weren't going to have been my choices but they were my parents choices but if you had considered 40 years ago where would rock and roll be you know for men and women who were 60 and on they weren't anybody to refer to and now you can look in the Rolling Stones or 80 plus
and the E Street Band or 70 plus and you too and Bon Jo or your 60 plus and very active So you're kind of at a turning point in your career because of your voice issues how do you feel about your voice now and you know what the public are going to see as of this interview and the docu-series
was shot one and two years ago and I did have some major issues things that weren't visible to me because any singer knows about something called nodules and they look like a little pimple on the vocal cord and they can easily cut those off and you recover from it mine was a little different
one of my chords was actually atrophying and they had to put in an implant a cortex implant outside of the chords to rebuild them and so the process has been slower than I'd hoped for but the progress and the process are really doing very well I'm currently able to sing for me now the bar is
can I do two and a half hours a night for nights a week how did your vocal cord how did one of the fold atrophic because I think of atrophie happening because you're not using something whereas for you if anything you were overusing it I think that is the bottom line I was overusing it even though I'm trained and I have studied the craft for these 40 years
Eventually, you know the body gives out. It's it's not dissimilar than being an athlete and I equate it to Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan or Tom Brady and when they'd had those major setbacks They wondered would they come back and it took a lot and it took Medical professionals to figure out the right way to bring you back
Patience is not a virtue. I am well known for so I I lack in the patient's department, but Every day I'm at it, you know every day is some kind of therapy to try to get back to that two and a half hours a night How did you find the surgeon?
Dr. Robert Saddleoff who you finally had the surgery with because I know you were so afraid of having surgery Understandably, you know there are doctors out there that botched these things or there are doctors that claimed that they can fix everything and and those are the ones I ran away from
A friend of mine who was born and raised in Philadelphia had sought out Dr. Robert Saddleoff and he had written a bunch of books on the topic and when I met him And I had explained to him that I had done everything I could holistically
I had met with other doctors and sought out their advice and then he said to me, you know I am a singer as well and I thought oh isn't that nice I became He says but I became a doctor Because I couldn't really find the doctor that understood the intricacies that a singer feels and and can express
To to somebody that's in this field anyhow He promised me nothing and I loved that about him and when I had exhausted every possibility He said now we're ready to talk about this surgery and he says if you work hard I will make you better than you are currently Um, but it's gonna take a lot of hard work and I loved The doctor and I loved the process Well, I didn't love the process, but I loved the way the process is going, you know It's um, it's slower than I'd hope for but
My cords are looking very nice and photographs. What's the work that you have to do? It began very slowly with just speech therapies And then it's vocal therapy that starts as Any singer would understand or to vocal warm-ups But eventually it's gotten back into retraining the cords because of the compensation that I had to do when you
Compensate for as long as I had to as a result of this Cord deteriorating and I couldn't understand how or why I've now had to untangle that mess And that's sort of the process I'm in now It's like if you if you're limping in your favorite one left correct exactly that yeah
What was the conversation you had in your own head about whether to retire from music or keep at it and try to keep finding solutions I jokingly have said I would never Become the fat Elvis and I mean met with any disrespect, but I Love what I do and the audience deserve the best of me and I can only give the best I'm not willing to be out there Walking through the motions or changing the keys of the song. I'm just not interested
Um now with that said there in truth. I can always write another record Um, I'm not worried about my ability to write another song If I can't hit bees and seas which at 62 years old is sort of fair Um, I could have walked away. I just haven't had to come to that Conclusion because as I said the the process and the progress are steady
Well, can't you just write songs that suit your voice now? I'm being this new record. Yeah, okay Yeah, okay, you know, but when you're 25 you're writing living on a prayer and there's key changes that are high seas Yeah, right. Yeah
So speaking of the new album we can play a track from it. This is called legendary From the forthcoming album forever that new bandrovi album will be released in June legendary is already available here comes You and you and I that we could ever find you don't even try We're getting paid and just get by Songs of songs Fricks on bricks What's broken you don't try to fix now?
There ain't no lies and ifs We don't pick up what you can't lift I raise my head to the sky Don't be more than tell me I'm alive God what I want because I got what I need Got a fist bump and then I stand up for me But where I am is where I want to be I Sweet Legendary
That's legendary from bondrovi's forthcoming album which will be released in June, but legendary is already out It I want to play another track from the new album and you've said it's okay to play this even though it's not released yet
So um, I suppose this is a bit of a school you have my permission. Thank you. I'm really grateful for that I really like the song And I think it's just a departure for you because it's called kiss the bride and it's From the perspective of a father whose child is getting married Mm-hmm, and so it's different so different from the more you know, anthemic and youthful um, anthems that people associate you with
Mm-hmm. So can you talk about writing this both from the perspective of the lyrics but also from the perspective of the vocal range Since you've not fully recovered from the problem the vocal problems you were having Well Once upon a time um, I wrote a song on an album called
Crush there was a song called I got the girl and it talks about a five-year-old princess And it was my daughter and my daughter Stephanie is now engaged to be married and she is 30 going out 31 And so different perspective when you grow up in public as I have Hopefully your viewpoints change you have more to write about you grow up and you're telling your own story You're sharing it with the listener in this case my baby girl is all grown up and she's about to walk down the aisle
So I'm telling this story and in the proper vocal range for the story um, so I cried when we wrote it I cried when I sang it in the studio. I have yet to play it for my daughter Oh, no, no, she has not heard this song she may be the only one left in the planet that hasn't heard it Um because I've been talking about it a lot She has not heard the song yet
You plan on singing this at your daughter's wedding The intentions are good It's her choice whether or not daddy can can do it without crying is another thing But you know, I have three children who are all engaged to be married and uh, and it's a crazy time in our house Two of my sons and of course my daughter who is our eldest So it's it's crazy time in the house right now. Well, it'll give you three opportunities to sing it. Yeah
All right, so that's here at this is kiss the bride from bongrow he's forthcoming album which is called forever. We released in June Is I walk a deli I wish it were a thousand miles my beautiful baby So beautiful These tears falling from my eyes You're taking me by surprise my beautiful baby
The beautiful bride It's time for me to step aside If your feeling let you fight let the preacher say loves favorite line You make kiss the bride That was kiss the bride from bongrow he's forthcoming album that will be released in June The song is called kiss the bride and the album is called forever I think
That this will be sung at a lot of weddings in the future. I know this will be the song for the parents kind of like sunrise sunset You know what I mean That the song for the parents to tear yeah Um What what kind of balance have you wanted to have in your life between
Wanting wanting to like stay youthful and hold on to All the things you were able to do when you were in your 20s and started you know having a real career And you know, you know being in the moment and in in the body and mind of the person who you are now in your early 60s
Well, I think that my goal always was to evolve and not to ever have Pretended to be 25 when I was even 35 you know and when when I was 25 I accepted acknowledged and Participated in all the mannerisms of a 25-year-old kid figuring it out But if I had come and tried to be on fresh air at 62 pretending to be 25 I think this interview would have been over by now I have been in the judge of that, but you're probably right I have a feeling that's the the case but um
You know, I think part of of having a career as I've been blessed enough to have is that our audience grew with us now Whether you got on or off the The path with us at any given time is completely understandable because You know, life goes on and maybe you're not even listening to
Rock and Roll music the way you once did but Others have gotten on that ride, you know at different junctions And so whether it was 2000 when it's my life or 2005 when we We're the first rock band ever when a number one country song Um, you know or what will happen now with this docus series in 2024 is a new generation is going to hear this music for the first time It's just inevitable because it's a part of what the machine are gonna do um, and that's all well and good
But the new age and air in which we live allows for music to be discovered in a new way and therefore it's not even in a time capsule. It's just in there forever Music you press a button and it's playing in your ears. You don't see the visuals You don't associate it with anything you just hear a song and if the song is good It's going to resonate with the next generation The visuals you mentioned in the documentary that you hated rock videos
And I was kind of glad to hear that because what always bothered me is that it was somebody's interpretation of the song or not even Just somebody's idea of like great surreal images and It kind of was so distracting from what the song was saying Yeah, you know, it's hard enough
To learn your craft and then to learn how to write a song Then when they thrust upon you the opportunity to make these videos and or album covers I can't tell you that it came to me easily and especially on those first couple records when you knew nothing about nothing When they force fed you a director or an album artist you just said yes because of that at least I just said yes And it wasn't until the third album the fourth album and now my 18th album. Did you take control of these things?
Is there something you particularly regret being oh ladies But my life as I told you is so blessed Terry that you know those might those baby pictures of me and those clothes Are public and that's my penance. I'll accept it Well, let's take another break here if you're just joining us my guest is John Von Jovy There's a new four-part documentary about his life and career
Called thank you good night the banjovi story and banjovi is self-writing. It's 40th anniversary of Of its first album of the band's first album and a new album will be released in June Called forever will be right back after a short break. I'm Terry Gross and this is fresh air This message comes from in PR sponsor organic Valley a co-op of small organic family farms Stony pond farm owner Tyler Webb explains how they nourish their cows on their organic dairy farm
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I'm fresh airs and Marie baldinado here to offer a sneak peek of our latest fresh air plus bonus episode I think what it always been About it to my coming out was the sense that um No one would cast me for example as Romeo if they knew that in my private life it was mccushare
I found such rather than juliet that sir Ian McEllen talking about his decision to come out of the closet in 1988 you can hear how that changed his career for the better by joining fresh air plus yourself at plus dot npr dot org So it was your third album That got really popular and it had your most famous anthems on it and it totally changed your life and the life of everyone in the band One of the anthems on that album is you give love a bad name
Which has the line shot in the heart and you're to blame you give love a bad name on your first album that was released 40 years ago
You have a song called shot in the heart. That's a completely different song But it has that shot in the heart line and I keep wondering like how did you how did you decide to recycle the line and my theory is That shot in the heart is such a good line that you thought not that many people know that song I have to put it in a song That really works So you pretty much Pretty accurate there
Shot through the heart. Yeah shot through the heart. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's pretty accurate there He had to be honest You know the title you give love a bad name just sounded like a smash hit and so I said that line having said it once before
I guess it's proof that I came up with the line But yeah, yeah, yeah, I guilty is charged um I wasn't as prolific as I became but Early on that was a line in a song on a little known album that we used again So I'm gonna play a little bit of both songs
I'm back back so here shot in the heart from bunjoui's first album 40 years ago and then you give love a bad name from the third album In somebody so we'll say you're gonna take a form I'll give you everything Now here's the pretty call And I'll shine the heart as I leave There alone in the dark Oh
I love the game that we call love Oh Where to run Could save me the damage To run shot in the heart and you're too late You give I They Two songs by bunjoui that have a line shot in the heart haha John what did you learn about songwriting in between that first
Version of a song with the line shot in the heart and the second version which was a huge hit Yes, it was well like with anything else one would hope that you get better with time and experience It was the third album that everything changed and like everything else, you know
You start it to figure it out You know you started to think about What other songs were on the charts what you Did with an audience and why a song worked live or why it didn't work live and Playing in a bar in New Jersey was one way to cut your teeth But getting out there and playing to audiences don't even speak your language You had to find other means to to win over the hearts and and minds of the the audiences So now that when I hear somebody say I learned how to speak English
Singing your songs you better learn how to do it better and and that's really what's come with it You started performing in bars in Asbury Park where you heard spring steam in his really early days and Southside Johnny um Can you compare who you were when you were performing at bars in Asbury Park versus when you started performing in stadiums?
Oh boy um You know soundside and Bruce and then of course all the members of the e3 band and and the juke's Or are at least 12-ish years older so they were not only role models, but They were friendly to the young kids they were The influence and they were telling you about their influence
So that was an integral thing too is they introduced me to not only their music but the music that they listened to Which was then helpful for me to understand what the process was and why he wrote songs and how he wrote songs um But that was although it was a huge part of my upbringing
Then I was also influenced by what was contemporary um rock and roll you know Queen and led Zeppelin and bad company and Elton John and all the things that were on the radio in the latter 70s But those things just seem bigger than bigger than life they were
They were just posters on your wall where as Southside Johnny and Bruce Springsteen although they were making albums and were my childhood heroes Um were 25 miles south of my house So on any given night in those bars you're going to see one of those 17 men hanging around in the bar and it was sort of like being that close to To Santa Claus because you you know something fictional that you could You made real you could go and touch them you could talk to them you could watch them
Springsteen when he performs doesn't wear like costumes, you know, it's he's usually like you know jeans and a t-shirt So that is his costume. Oh is that how you think of it? That's like Jimmy buff that's like saying Jimmy Buffett wearing shorts and flip flops that was Jimmy
All right, you know, but anyhow go ahead. Yeah, so when you were performing in bars You probably just wore you know jeans and a t-shirt t-shirts and a jeans shirt sure sure yeah, yeah, so I'd like you to compare Um, can I use the word persona when you were performing in bars
Compare that to who you were on stage when you started performing in stadiums And if you thought of yourself as having a persona on stage once you started doing stadium concerts Well Having grown up in public you are going to do things and try things and and see what kind of shoes fit and
Blue jeans and t-shirts were what we were meant to be but in honesty In 1984 85 86 when you're being told by the quote unquote record company and the managers and the agents and the and the headliners that you were supporting This will help you be more successful
In honesty, we were probably trying on shoes that didn't fit and we were lumped in with a certain group of bands that I never bought their records and I wasn't necessarily fans of But we were cutting our teeth on that International stage If you're just joining us my guest is John Bon Jovi There's a new four-part documentary called thank you good night the Bon Jovi story that's streaming on Hulu and a new
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So you felt like oh and you did want to be upstaged by the other band that that they did know that I think you were opening for them. Well, here's the story. Yeah Our first manager had gotten himself in some trouble and as a part of his plea He had asked the courts if he were to put on a show and what was then the Soviet Union And he took a bunch of
Was this like as an ambassador from the United States or something? Well, if you want a drug dealer to be in a bad yeah, I know but we went and It was a bunch of the bands of the era and and and we knew everybody and We were at the height of the New Jersey record, which was the follow-up to slippery one wet. So we were going to close the show and and Realizing once we got there that the Soviet Union did not have Tower records, so therefore
They didn't have living on a prayer and you give love a bad name or run away on the radio and So you're playing and winning hearts the way you did when you were completely unknown kid on the stage in New Jersey And we followed a German band by the name of the scorpions who we had once Opened for in 1984 and they were Relentless live band phenomenal live band and to tell you the honest to goodness truth They won the hearts of that crowd that day and then we came on and followed them and I started
Speaking English and telling the stories of the songs and performing and we were falling flat Okay, fine. We got our butts kicked the next night Now that I had had a feel for what it was and all of the experience and all of the influence in my career
I said I see the trick. I got it So I took a Russian soldier backstage Tuck his uniform from him traded him some blue jeans and some The Harley-Davidson t-shirts to be honest and I got his uniform and it's said to the band Start this first song just keep playing the intro over and over again
I'm going to enter from the back of the entire stadium and I was dressed as a Russian soldier And in that documentary you see the film where I throw the coat I take off the gloves I eventually take off the long coat and hat jump up on the stage and perform the song we won second night
Bunch over he was you know playing the Soviet Union 30 years later. I went back and I played that same stadium 2019 and I was telling this story to a member of the press now the free press in Russia And I began this story and he said can I finish the story for you and I said wow you know this story He said I was there and and he said it became folklore here. That's you know how you won the hearts of the The Russian kids
That's a great story. I love it There were some musical movements that almost seemed like Counter-movements to the costumes and the special effects of big stadium concerts And I'm thinking of the you know the post punk bands the riot girls Nirvana and grunge What was your reaction to that and was there an impact on on Bündzhovian the band?
My reaction to it was um Was that it was good Not only was was the grunge movement good Um, but much needed What happens that I've witnessed that I've lived through this business long enough to see Is when something becomes popular record companies run off and sign 10 things that are like that popular band so there were 10 other Nirvana signed the same way there was 10 other Bondzhovians and Guns and roses signed um
It to the point where the great one survived and the rest of them fall by the wayside after a record or two so grunge comes along and whoops The yuck bands of the big hair anthemic rock band much needed well deserved and I just thought we just keep on our path um things had changed for me both
Turning 30 being married having a kid cutting off the long hair seeing what was going on in the world whether it was the wall coming down um or The Rodney King beatings in Los Angeles these were all in starting to influence my writing and I was becoming a different man and we just stood the course and keep the faith came out of that It was the first year of self-management it was after the success of young guns which I'd
Just been nominated for an Oscar and won the Golden Globe and had another number one record. So I had a lot of confidence and We the band had a vision about what the 90s could be and it worked If you're just joining us my guest is John Bon Jovi. There's a new four-part documentary called Thank You Good Night The Bon Jovi story that's streaming on Hulu a new Bon Jovi album called Forever will be released in June
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I mean, there's more important things to be writing news stories about but I've seen a time and again with Harry Styles or Justin Bieber Justin Timberlake, you know, it's own These things just go round and round All I cared about and what mattered was writing the next song and making sure it was in a repetition or something that we had done
Five years prior. So now you start writing more socially conscious songs like keep the faith And I could still write a big ballad like better roses and those songs carried that record and we not only survived But we thrived It well grunge was happening in a big way, but keep the faith was still So many millions of albums. I'm gonna accept this as a great music cue. So let's hear it keep the faith You Yeah, I'm the one who's playing. We'll ain't don't give back. I want to tell you too.
We're the time of this throne. When there's no other dream on. Hey, hey, I'm the next one to the right. Lord, it's gotta keep me free. Let's keep the faith from the band Bon Jovi and John Bon Jovi is my guest. let's talk a little bit about your political activism you campaign for al Gore you are at his house the night of you know the two thousand election the contested election what was that night like that was one of the most dramatic elections in american history
though this was the night he can see that although this was uh... all of this is like after bushry and it's oh yeah okay i guess this is him saying no no i that he had no right right right and there was a scheduled uh... press core christmas party scheduled that he wanted to keep for the members of
the press and uh... and i was asked to be there while we were in fact all here for uh... a concert for christmas concert at the white house for the special limpics that the albums that were uh... fundraising for the special in the picture participated several so having campaign so much for
vice president or i was invited up to the house and uh... it wasn't a very lively party when he arrived that night and i had suggested that all this incredible musical talent was in town uh... perhaps if i called them they'd come over and next thing you know it was stevey wonder and tom patty and
all kinds of and we had a hell of a night plan and and vice president gore and missus gore were up there banging on the bongo's and letting it all out you know literally banging on the bonkers all hell yeah i was up there playing and singing and
you know and and and by that point having a beer because you know we don't just had to go through that night so you think that lifted his spirit that concert i think that that that helped us all get through the night you also do work involving the homeless and uh... feeding people who
don't have food um... how did that become your issue well it is is you in fact are in philadelphia i've had close roots there for a long long time dating back to the very beginning of my career in two thousand g i was the co-owner of an arena football team in philadelphia and it was called philadelphia soul and again that same kid knocked on that dj's window said how do i appreciate myself when you have the eagles flyer six or sphiles and i thought we have to be more philanthropic than anyone
and one thing led to another in the first we were playing robin who but one day i was looking out of the window of the hotel and as a homeless man sleeping on a great and i call that same friend who found my surgeon who's born and raised in philadelphia and i said find me somebody
who understands the homeless issue and how we could participate somehow some way little did i know that sister Mary scolian and project home were in philadelphia for those who don't know sister Mary consider her to be the michael jordan of the home i'll second that okay she is the greatest and
my friend went down and he says uh... my name is obi obrien and i i work for john bongeo v and she says get great i'm sister Mary scolian and i work for god relationship was born and when we met i think she thought that maybe this whole could afford to we have one row home
and i wasn't being a wise guy but when i met her i said sister Mary what would it cost to redo this block and i know that she was you know taken by that but it's not that i'm showing off i'm asking this question because i think if we bring a block we bring a neighborhood if we bring a neighborhood now we can start influencing the city so we hit it off and she's taught me everything i've known for these last twenty plus years then in two thousand and eight when the economic downturn happened
it was my wife to her few came up with the concept of the soul kitchens which there's no prices on our menu it's farmed a table food no institutional kind of government funded food pancher food bank stuff we um... soup kitchens it's not what we do we created an empowerment kind of a restaurant where
if you or i go you can see change happened by leaving a suggested donation but if you can't you volunteer and that's what helps us make ends meet we now have four of these restaurants and we're you know we created something that really just didn't exist and uh... we've been feeding those people who we've housed for twelve or thirteen of these twenty plus years and uh... very proud of what d'Arthia created and we like we said we subsequently have four of them
um... i'd like to end with some music and i'd like you to choose a song of yours that you think kind of describes where you are now really relates to how you're feeling about life or yourself or the world now i know that there are quite a few in my catalog that would be fitting
there's a song called these days off of a nineteen ninety five album called these days and i think that might sort of say where i'm at today just today these days the stars seem out of reach these days are in a ladder on the streets and it goes on to tell a story about you know but it's there's still up there it's just going to take a little work to get up and touch them again yeah that's been really great to talk with you thank you so much and um... just congratulations on all that you've done
i appreciate that very much and i really was looking forward to today and it's great to speak with you again and to thank all the MPR listeners and supporters for taking the time out of their day she can look in for some shelter and the suitcase full of dreams two more tell room on the blue bar
i guess she's trying to be javely you see all the disciples in all the water breeze no one wants to breathe themselves these days still there's nothing too long to breathe these days the stars ain't out of reach these days there ain't a lot of numbers please i don't know these days are best
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