Hi there, FounderQuest listener. This is Star. We recorded the show you're about to hear last week. And since then, you might say things have gotten a little real. So we're going to be taking a little break from recording next week. And it just doesn't seem right to be publishing these.
kind of lighthearted tech conversations in this moment in history when so many people are fighting for their own liberation. We will be back but I'm not going to say exactly when because it's just a little bit more dramatic that way. So stay safe and see you soon. Bye.
So the reason that we're just sort of blathering is that we don't actually have a topic for today. We all just showed up. We just showed up. Just rolled out of bed and here we are. So did those guys really name their app after a meme? Huh? Buckle up, fellow kids. It's time for FounderQuest. As I was getting ready this morning and reading Twitter and just like, you know, Twitter.
So something that's come up lately is, and Justin Jackson has talked about this, and there's a couple other people who have talked about this, like on Twitter this morning, it was being talked about, but that's the idea of staying in your lane.
Like, you know, if you're a technologist and typically like your podcast is all about business or whatever, like I'm just talking about us, then you should stay in your lane and not talk about current events, whatever. Like people said that to Justin Jackson as he's been talking about like equity and...
the environment and some of the things that are concerns to him and things that he likes to think about and talk about. So I was thinking about that this morning and I was like, well, we could talk about current events on our podcast. There's no reason why we couldn't.
And then I thought, well, except that, you know what, maybe this is just a nice break for people that just have too much news in their lives. And they can just, they can turn to FounderQuest, not reassured that they won't have to deal with all the garbage that's going on.
We're just talking about happy things here. This is the escape. I think we're probably not taking an official stance on the staying in your lane thing. No. i don't really honestly like this is kind of my break and i don't want to like have arguments during it so like i don't really want to debate serious topics right now because everything is just on fire yeah
I guess that's our way of saying that even though this seems to be the worst possible timeline, I read this morning that the monkeys stole the coronavirus samples. from the lab and are running wild with them which is a plot of a terry gillian movie yeah yeah it's like if you haven't seen what is it 12 monkeys there you go but that's a good movie yeah it is so i don't know
I guess it's to say like, we're all sort of affected by it, but we're not like, I don't know. Like there's, I see some people and it's just, people are just like plowing ahead with like, react is like, here's my hot take on react right now. It's like, nobody really wants to hear that right now, but maybe, maybe they do. I don't know. It's, it's just, it's hard. Well, I've been blowing up our Twitter channel with hot takes lately.
yeah yeah just all about the anti-react this week the anti not really hot takes but yeah oh yeah you mean my blog the blog thing yeah the blog thing that's pretty cool so if uh i don't know if you caught it star but I've been kind of just working on my blog a little bit, playing around with things lately. I use Jekyll, but I hadn't updated in a long time. So I migrated my assets and stuff to Webpack and did some stuff to kind of modernize a little bit.
I decided I didn't want to go too far with the modernization and see how far I could get. Because a lot of people are using their blogs, rebuilding their blogs in Jamstack right now to play with... Gatsby or next JS or, you know, some of these, these newer front end frameworks. And, um, so I thought it would be fun to do kind of the opposite, like see how far, how close I could get to like the performance that you see with one of these more.
modern frameworks with just like old school technology. So I'm using just Jekyll and Turbolinks. And I got this cool prefetch script that will do like prefetching of links if you hope. hover over them with your mouse for like 400 milliseconds or whatever.
um which kind of like speeds up so really i get it kind of like turns it into like it feels like a single page app but it's just you know it's just web page just a web page oh that's really cool i actually like fun fact like we have that at honey badger before we move to move to jekyll we had a little prefetch thing yeah and um i'm actually i've been planning on like not jekyll i meant turbo links before we had like the pjax setup with yeah i remember that it was like a jquery prefetch
plugin or something. Yeah. I, no, I wrote it. Did you write it? Okay. It was, it was stars prefetch. Yeah. Blue plate special. Uh-huh. Yeah. That was cool. I eventually disabled it because it was really kind of hard to get right. Like it kind of. Like I really got tricky after a while and I was being too tricky and it turns out that the world doesn't really appreciate that. Yeah. Well, I think that's why it hasn't been officially added to TurboLinks. There's, I was, when I was like,
digging through, trying to figure out how to do it, which is what led me to this, basically a gist that someone made. But there's a bunch of issues on the Turbolinks GitHub repo, talking about it. It's not like that it will never get added, but I'm assuming it's a difficult thing to implement or something like that for everyone. Yeah. I don't know what the issues were. For a blog, it seems like it would be pretty straightforward, though. Yeah.
web pages yeah it's working pretty well on mine yeah it's it's fun so i yeah i've been meaning to like move that stack over to our blog too like eventually i'll apply the same optimize optimizations to honey badger
the honey badger website so we don't currently use jekyll are you talking about moving it to jekyll as well or just no um no just the just like the front end i mean like it's it's simple just to like install turbo links and maybe some pre-fetching on things i mean we could just we could and then like
do some optimizations have you uh looked at purge css at all no i haven't but i really like the name so tell me what that is well it does what it says it basically it removes so it analyzes once you build If you have your HTML built already, or in the case of Jack, if you're like generating it, so you generate your HTML, build your HTML and your assets, like your CSS and stuff. And then it analyzes all of your CSS usage. And then it.
purges the CSS that you're not using. So imagine if you're using like Tailwind or Bootstrap or something, and you're importing like the entire framework, right? Well, you're not necessarily using a lot of that framework. So you're you're having to download like everyone's downloading a bunch of useless css basically so this removes the unwanted stuff is this something that is like in webpack
How does it do that? I think it's a third, it's a third party project, but they have a Webpack plugin. So okay, so it's back in code, though. Yeah, I thought for a second that because it's like, because it has CSS in the name. And a lot of times that means it's like a CSS. package oh yeah no um like bootstraps this is like a build tool like what have they added to css since i last yeah i'm boned up on it i don't know
Yeah, it's a build. It's a build tool. And for like disclaimer, like I'm new, like I haven't, I'm just starting to play with this. So if I like butchered the description or something, I'm sorry. But as far as I know, that's what it does. And it's pretty cool. Like it reduced, I forget.
my css wasn't like the bundle wasn't huge to begin with but it i think it reduced it from like six or seven k to four like three or four So if you like apply that, if you're if you are importing like something like a large CSS framework, I imagine that's a big savings.
i have to ask like how does it know which css tags are being used and which ones aren't like yeah does it have to be used with like a static site generator and it just like goes through all the generated pages or well i mean i think i don't know like for sure how it works on the backend or how it's implemented. But from what I can tell, it actually, like I think it actually needs to have your HTML, like wherever it is. So I think it could technically like analyze your views.
you know like something if you have like a source your source html or templates or something like it could probably i think it can work out for that but what i'm doing because jekyll i don't like it's generating all of the html from markdown i just pointed it at the uh like the site
like the generate directory where the destination directory and so then it just analyzes the entire build after like after the webpack and jack will build like do their thing oh that makes sense yeah so it just works from the like the production build i don't know it seems to work i mean it seems to work everything looks like it did before adding it and the bundle is a lot smaller so i got introduced to that this week as well i started playing with tailwind for the first time like in depth
Would you mind giving a little overview of Tailwind? Tailwind is a pretty neat CSS framework. It takes a different approach to say something like Bootstrap. where bootstrap would say give you different classes like card or table or things that apply a bunch of styles to give you a certain look the tailwind is
I guess one way you can say is a bit lower level and that you define those kinds of looks that you want on the actual elements themselves. So instead of a card class, you could say, oh, I want this to be rounded. And so there's like a, you know, rounded kind of class. And there's a whole bunch of selectors, as you might imagine, because of all the things that you can do, like, you know, Tech Center and things like that. Well, you know, I've been using Bootstrap for like ever. And it's nice to...
Tailwind is kind of a breath of fresh air because as a developer like I'm not hip to all the design stuff all the time and like I was always just digging into the boot shop. you know, reference like, oh, what was that card thing again? Do I have to have a card title and a card body? And I just never memorized all those, you know, special class names I was supposed to use.
And Tailwind, I don't have to remember stuff. It's like, oh, do I want margin? Okay, it's MY-2. And now I get two elements of spacing in the Y direction. That's just easier for me to remember so I can... do auto mx and things like that and it's great there's kind of two ways of viewing sort of a css framework which one is like to do components and stuff which is what it's kind of what bootstrap does and the other is to do more of a a utility type framework which is what joan does right
Like I personally haven't used Tailwind, but I've used the utility approach just in my own with my own sort of cobbled together like utility stuff. And I actually kind of really like that. Like that's how the last time I rebuilt the. like our sales site like that's how i did it and i really i really enjoyed doing it that way just because it's i don't know it's like you can read the html and tell what it does as opposed to It's like, okay, I know this has a class of like...
new hero five is like, what the hell does that mean? Okay, now I've got to like, go search all the CSS files for that. Right. And, you know, see what, like, it's, it's impossible. The only way to tell. What style is actually going to be applied to that thing, at least as far as I'm concerned, is to go and inspect it in the browser and just see all the inheritance. Because it's just the way there's no structure to CSS inheritance.
like who really knows who really knows like yeah so that's been fun but nice change of pace yeah yeah didn't you use tailwind for some like side project recently yep yeah it's uh it's weapon doing in my spare time this week when I'm not trying to bail myself out from the water leakage. Yeah. Or the compliance. Or the compliance stuff. Compliance. It's like you're dealing with a...
like insurance claims and compliance, the compliance process simultaneously. I might as well just go to law school at night and do the trifecta, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, maybe someone can sue you. The good news on the compliance is I had a meeting yesterday with the auditor, the first of the meetings where they reviewed our evidence of all the things that we say we're doing. And the meeting went super well.
The most of the things that we covered, like we just done and basically just checking off boxes. There are a few things they got back to me about like, you should look at this and we need more evidence here. But overall, I was overall, I was just. ecstatic yesterday after getting off that call like all the work that i've been doing over the past several months is actually seems to be close to paying off so i'm excited we really we really do need to throw a party when
when all this is is wrapped up. I mean, this is a major, major effort that we've been talking about for pretty much the life of the company. I know we just need to throw Ben a party like Because it went from, yeah, it went from like, we could never, like, we could never do that to maybe we'll do that. And then Ben's just like working on it. And yeah. You know, all throughout this process, as I've talked to people who actually know what they're doing.
much more than I do. I would ask, well, do you see companies our size doing this? Have you experienced that? And they're like, yeah, that's not so common, but sure. And so I always just kind of came away from those conversations like, well, I guess we could do it. And then sitting down with this auditor person yesterday, he said, well, you are the smallest company I've ever worked with.
And yeah, we're going to have to change some things about how we usually do this because like we don't have a board of directors, you know, and things like that. Yeah. Like so. So pro tip for all those small companies like us out there, you do have to find an auditor who's able to be a little flexible in their work because you might be the first time that they encounter some things like, for example, CICD.
Like the person I was working with is like, yeah, I know what that is, but a lot of my peers don't. And one of the requirements is that you have a separate development versus production environment and that you have a log and a control over what goes into production.
And so when you say, oh, well, you know, we have CIACD, we have continuous integration, continuous deployment, and that, you know, it runs the tests and it pushes the code to production for us automatically. They kind of scratch their heads a little bit and they're like, oh, so you don't have like a... process or a person that's the gatekeeper for production nope so like oh yeah well then um we had we had a person write the rules
I mean, it's a process. It's just not a person doing it, right? So there's things like that that's like, oh, okay, it's a learning experience for everyone. I think I need to write some sort of mega blog post or maybe miniature ebook about...
You know, if you're a tiny tech company, here's what you can expect when you're about to walk into this. Oh, you should. Okay, we should. You could sell that even. We should write, we should do, yeah, we should do like a pay, like an e-book. That would be totally. Just put it on Gumroad as a downloadable.
yeah i mean seriously like you could even just do just do a screencast like with a brain dump for like an hour and a half or something oh that would be more than an hour and a half but yeah that would be that Yeah. A seven part, seven session. A mini series, you know, on lifetime TV. Right. Yeah. I had fun the other day though, when you were like,
Could y'all help me think of threats to the business and things? It's like you're asking me to think of things that could go wrong. I was born for this. This is my jam. I'm great at thinking about things that could go wrong. I still need to do that. spend a little time thinking about worst case scenarios. Yeah. All right. Come on over to the dark side. Yeah. That was, that was one of three things that I didn't have ready in time for the call yesterday. And so.
That's the last of the work I need to do next week to be able to get this hurdle and get our type one report in process. What's the upshot of all this? What comes out of it? What will be able to offer customers once we get this? Especially for... publicly traded companies who might want to use us as a processor, they have to attest that they are managing all of their data in a secure fashion. They have to go through the same process.
Part of that process is you have to say, OK, for all of our key vendors that handle sensitive data, they also need to assert that they abide by these kinds of policies. And if you're in that situation where you need to. attest that yes, your data is being treated securely by your vendors, there's two ways that you can get that done. You can ask the vendor for their SOC to report. And so an auditor has given an opinion that yes, they are following good policies.
Or you can ask that vendor to fill out a security questionnaire. I mean, or I guess you could visit their office and make sure you could do a personal inspection. But typically, it's either going to be you're going to ask that vendor for a SOC 2 or ISO 27001 report.
Or you're going to ask that vendor to fill out this security questionnaire. And when you receive one of those, and we've received a few of those from our customers, it's just, it's painful. It's super painful because they ask you basically all the same things that you would go through in a compliance thing. your security posture, your privacy stuff. So just going through the process once.
and having an auditor give you their opinion that yes, this company is being run well, then you can just turn that over to customers who need that as part of their process to become compliant. And then it just saves everyone a whole bunch of time. I've got a question for you.
it sounds like compliance is kind of like the gpl and that's kind of like viral like if you want to be compliant all the people all your vendors that use have to be compliant yeah but for them to be compliant all their vendors need to like their vendors need to be compliant so yeah like would it be fair to say that by by providing this to our customers we're allowing our customers to you know service yes bigger customers that may may require compliance reports yep
All right. So I mean, yeah, we're and we are opening entire new markets for our customers. You never know. Well, I'll give you a time to raise prices. I will give you a for instance. So as as I was talking to the auditor yesterday.
We were talking about our vendors, the vendors that Honey Badger uses. And, you know, we use Amazon Web Services. And so obviously they have a whole bunch of, you know, compliance stuff done, right? You can go and download their SOC2 reports and that kind of stuff. You know, we use...
other providers like Twilio for sending SMS. And one of the vendors that we use that we do rely on for delivering our services to our customers, we don't have a report from them yet. And so... I do need to go to them and say, hey, I know you don't have a full stock to report because I've asked you for that in the past and you didn't have it.
Please answer my security questionnaire. So now I'm on the other end. You're the one with the questionnaire. Oh, no. Yeah. That was making people so powerful. No, it just makes me feel kind of frustrated. It's like, Oh, I don't want to spend my time doing this, you know, but I mean, we do depend on it. Yeah, exactly. I feel, I feel pretty bad about it actually, but how to do it, you know, because.
My auditor is going to be talking to me like, okay, well, how do you know that they're being secure with your stuff? And one thing to come out of this, I'm really... I'm really liking is that whenever we have to do something that people don't like and they're like, why are you doing this? We're like, got to do it. The auditor says, we got to do it. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah.
It's always helpful to have that third party somewhere nebulous behind the scenes that I'm sorry, I can't help you. My hands are tied. I wonder how far you could take that. It's like, yeah, no, I'm sorry. We can't rename errors to notifications in our tabs. Auditor won't let us. Well, I mean, parents do this all the time, right? You know, the kid comes to dad and says, hey, dad, I want to blah. And dad's like, I'm not sure when I say yes to this.
but I kind of need some backup. So he says, well, go ask your mother. And so, and as the kid is heading towards mom, you know, there's this kinetic or telekinetic communication happening, right?
dad is is winking at the mom whatever like or shrugging or giving that you know you know you know what i'm talking about giving that signal like uh just say no and then the parents talk about it later right and they decide what they're going to do and how they handle the situation but yeah it's nice to have that someone to blame it on. It's like a, it's like an auto dealership trick. Like, yeah, totally. I'll have to go check. I'll have to check with my manager. Oh, sorry. Right.
You could just give them, if they ask for something, just give them a compliance questionnaire. Say, fill this out. I can do that for you, but first you have to fill out this 60 question form. Before I can read your support ticket, I'm sorry, you're required to fill this out. Speaking of support tickets, we got a support request that came in this week asking for a feature, and the person was very nice about it.
and said, you know, this is a problem that I'm having, and I can't find a place in your application where I can change this. Did I miss it? And I really appreciated that. That approach is very non-confrontational. There are nice ways to say things and not so nice ways to say things. And so this, unfortunately, we don't have the feature that this person wanted. And of course, they already knew that because they couldn't find it in the UI. And that's why they're asking.
So I said, yeah, sorry, we don't have that. So they came back and said, well, you know, could you add that? And even though I'm not a paying customer, I do send paying customers your way. So, you know, smiley face. And I just, I grinned at that. And I thought, you know, we actually don't discriminate against our non-paying customers when they send in support requests like that. We consider every feature request equally. We are very, you know.
magnanimous about that sort of thing here at Honey Badger. But I just thought it was very kind, very polite way to ask nicely for something. And I think we'll have to turn around and build that just because he was so nice. Oh, I love it. It's heartwarming. One thing that Josh and Ben Finlay and I talked about on our marketing call yesterday is that, you know, a lot of times the non-paying customers and the paying customers are the same people. I mean...
I don't really have any evidence for this, but like I've done it before. Like I've had free accounts in a service and then I'm like, Hey, we should use this in our business. And you know, then we have a paid account for it too. So. Anyway, we're talking about that in the context of how it might be useful to instead of tailoring all of our messaging to sort of free trials and student accounts, instead of tailoring that messaging to getting them to upgrade to a paid account.
Perhaps we should try tailoring that messaging to sell them on how they should bring Honey Badger into their other projects, you know? It's like why you should bring Honey Badger to your day job if you're working on a side project or whatever. Especially in the context of, because we've been having a significant number of GitHub students sign up still because we're part of the GitHub student pack.
and those people like they might not have they might not have jobs yet but they're learning and we know they're going to have jobs soon so you know it's it's a perfect opportunity to make a good impression and yeah and hopefully suggest that they can
bring Honey Badger with them when they, as they embark on their new careers. And even if they do like start some hot new startup or whatever, like they're not going to use their GitHub student account for it. Probably like, yeah, but probably wouldn't, wouldn't happen. Do you want to switch gears a little bit and talk about work-life balance? Because there was this discussion recently, yesterday, that I was discussing with Justin Jackson and a few others on Twitter.
I don't mind switching gears. Like I learned to drive on a manual. Yeah. So I did. I spoke a little bit for the three of us. So I thought it might be good to get your takes on like our early starting years. Because the discussion was about how much time it requires to start a new company or a new business. I think we're kind of talking more about software as a service businesses in particular.
But there's this tweet that went around that was talking about basically, you can start a small, medium, or large. You can start an Uber-sized business. And each of those businesses are going to take all of your time. So the point was like, so start the big one. And the example was like, you're all gonna have to work 100 hours a week on all of these to start them. And Justin was like, hell no, you don't need to work 100 hours a week on anything.
And so, so yeah, so he started this discussion about like, there's a lot of small businesses out there that are starting on much less time than 100 or even 50 hours a week, say. So I was thinking back and what I recall, I recall working because we were, I was working a full time, like nine to five, like eight hours a day on my freelance business.
So I'd work like usually a few hours in the morning and maybe a few hours in the evening or over the weekend or something on Honey Badger. But I think it probably totaled like an extra 10 to 20 hours initially, I would guess. I guess we might even have timesheets somewhere because I think we were logging our time eventually. But does that sound about right? So what I said was that total, including like a 40 hour a week, like day job.
I was working probably 50 to 60 hour weeks just for the initial period while we built up our revenue to the point where we could start shifting from our jobs and freelance income to... honey badger, at which point we didn't continue that extra work. So we basically worked less over time as we replaced our income. I think that's true in the large.
since i was responsible for the op stuff i think my time commitment was a little higher in those early days even after we transitioned to full-time i think i was spending probably more than 40 hours a week on stuff but on um like combined or on Well, so early on, I agree, like 10-ish hours a week when we still had full-time jobs. Then we transitioned to, well, Star and I transitioned to doing freelancing for a while.
between the full-time job and being full-time on Honey Badger. And that was like a ramp, I guess. Over time, I just built up my Honey Badger time and decreased my freelancing time as the revenue allowed it. But then once Honey Badger was full-time...
I think even still then for quite a while, I was, I would say 50 to 60 hour weeks because I was dealing with stuff after hours that I didn't choose to deal with. Right. I had to deal with. I wasn't really thinking about the point. Yeah. The point of after. after the transition was over but i still get the feeling yeah like like i think i in general yeah i don't know i also made the point that it's it's a little bit hard to separate
between these things because I often code for fun. And back then, and even still like Honey Badger, it was a side project then. It's not a side project now, but I still like, there's lots of projects that I enjoy working on. And so like, A lot of times I'll find myself hacking, but it's hard to say, is this work or is this just my hobby?
Ian Lansman made that point in one of his tweets. He's like, yeah, but you're kind of forgetting about that. If you're reading about the thing and you're studying about how to do whatever, that's work, right? And to your point- Talking about it on Twitter for-
yeah like hours into the evening that stuff is fun it's not just work it's also a hobby yeah and uh and so yeah i mean i can easily spend a lot of time doing what someone would call work because i think it's fun so yeah i don't know and also like i think
It was good that we were able to use the product. Like we, I said, we were the first customers of Honey Badger and we built it for ourselves. And we were using it during our day jobs because that's, that's where we needed it. So I mean, like even.
as we were working, we were using it as a tool for our clients or employers or whatever. But it gave us the opportunity to... I mean, that helped us iterate faster. And I'm sure there were times when we were able to go and like... improve a little thing or or fix a little bug or something in the process of doing our normal our normal work which which helped yeah i think when i had my day job and
Actually, even I guess when we're freelancing afterwards, I would work evenings a lot more, but I probably didn't really go over 60 hours too often. I think I was actually, I mean... We didn't really discuss this, but it just kind of worked out this way, I think. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I may have been the first person to actually go full-time because I moved to Mexico. I didn't need a ton of money to live and all that.
And I didn't have kids at the time and I wasn't married. And so I don't know, but it was only by a couple of months. Like it wasn't like a huge thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think it depends on the situation. on the discussion of like, whether you can, can you start a business on less than a hundred hours a week? Obviously. Um, can you start it on less than 40? I, yes. Like totally.
But it all depends on the situation. You can't start every business probably with just one person working under 40, say 30 hours a week. You're not going to start Uber single-handedly working 30 hours a week. or 100 hours a week or 100 hours a week yeah probably to be honest but there's a lot of businesses you could yeah can i just say that this whole this whole premise like the whole tweet about like you know
You're going to be working 100 hours a week and you can do a small, medium or large business. You might as well do the large business. It's just, I'm sorry. That's just dumb. That's just idiotic because, well, first of all, There's so many differences. The lifestyle of having a small or medium-sized business is quite different from the lifestyle of having an uber-sized business. There's a difference between are you trying to start...
a business to support yourself and your family and your employees versus trying to start a public company? Is your goal to ship yourself to the moon eventually or something like that? We all have different... I think the source of this is... I think where this stupidity is coming from is the source of a lot of stupidity, especially online, which is everybody assumes everybody else has...
the same like values and experiences and goals as they do and that if they are not achieving those or maybe they then it must be some sort of failure or it must be just dumb. It seems like half the internet now is people taking things out of context. And so I don't know, maybe I'm taking this tweet out of context because I haven't even seen it.
One thing I'll add here that was not a tweet was actually someone talking to me back in the olden days when we talked face to face. Yeah. He made an interesting point that's stuck with me since then. And he said, you really only have so many years. Right. So you only get so many businesses you get to build. And you should think about that when you think about what kind of business you want to build next. Because we were talking about big versus small.
And of course, it's down to personal preference. And that's exactly the point. You only get so many times to go out there and try this. You might build three or four or five businesses in your lifetime. So choose what's going to make you happy.
not just the final destination that you think will make you happy, but also the process, the journey, right? It's, you know, that old phrase, but it's the journey, not the destination, because... you only get a few decisions like this in your lifetime might as well make the most out of each one of them regardless of whatever your personal goals are you know just decide and be be deliberate about that yeah that's a really good
I think that's a good way of looking at it. And I mean, the whole like journey before destination thing, which like, yes, I'm referencing the Kingkiller Chronicles, which I know you love, Ben. I do, I do. That makes sense for another reason, too, because like you might not get to your destination. If your destination is like another like if your destination is a billion dollar startup, chances are good you're not going to get there. So it's, you know.
If you're miserable the whole time and then you don't get there, that just sucks, right? Why would you want to do that? Going back to the situation, like how everything depends on the situation, thinking back like... In your 20s, no kids. When we started Honey Badger, I was just recently married. I think I'd been married for a couple of years, but it was just us. We had a house and stuff, but we were renting at that point.
even working 50 hour weeks like that just think of all the time all the free time the just think of all the free time that we we had working 50 hour weeks like you know it's it's very relative like now it's like you know barely work like a 30-hour week and still, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's really a good point. I don't have a problem with like if you have the time, you're young and you like to do the work, like I'm not...
going to rain on anyone's parade of like wanting to work a little over 40 hours. Like it's not, there's no like set in stone. Like you have to, you can't work over 40 hours or you're like a terrible person or something like. Oh, that's true. And just like, yeah, it depends on the person. I mean, what are you doing with the rest of your time? Does anyone ever talk about that? I'm building out my Animal Crossing island.
It's funny. It's in pandemic and being home so much and everything, it's like getting less done, being able to work less hours. Although my amount of work I do in a day, not... like work work but like the amount of labor i do in a day has probably doubled and so it's just uh it's just i don't know like everybody has their own situation and the thing is like everybody can
I'm not going to say it's possible in every situation because some people definitely are in really rough situations, but it's possible to start a business in a variety of situations in terms of work, in terms of... in terms of like the amount of time that you can put in and it really kind of depends on on a lot of factors other than that like that's probably one like there's a lot of factors that are a lot more important than that i think agreed yeah
Well, we're at time. I feel like this is a pretty positive message to leave people with, especially since we live in the worst possible timeline. I'm feeling good about this. Are y'all feeling good about this? You know, FounderQuest is all about bringing you the calm, peaceful, reassuring thoughts that you need in the times of crisis, pandemic, and world turmoil.
That's true. And aren't we so privileged to be able to have those calm, peaceful thoughts and not just be thrown in the middle of the fire ourselves right now, as I think about that every day. All right. So... If you have enjoyed this show, dear listener, please go to Apple Podcasts and review us. And if you'd like to write for us, we do hire people to do blog posts about Ruby, Elixir, you know, cool stuff. Go to our blog.
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