What's up, friendos, and welcome into Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy Football Podcast. I am Chris Welsh, joined by Pat fitz Morris. This is week twelve wide receiver rankings. We're going through all the big top three seeing who might be flexes and there are probably some big wide receiver questions this week, so hopefully we are going to answer them. You also always have your coverage for those answers. With Fantasy Pros. Check out the my Playbook app. You
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Com slash ranks. We are talking about those wide outs this week, and you know, in the ranks contest for week eleven, this is where I shined just a tiny bit where you were the quarterback guy for last week.
So wide receivers hopefully going to be a good conversation here, but it's really been about the top end, and we're going to talk about not just you know, these wide receiver ones, but I really think that wide receiver two range PAT has been the make or break the guys that end up performing in those wide receiver twos, and those tend to be like, you know, maybe fringy wide receiver three guys and some players I think between that thirteen and twenty four that people are just starting to
come around on that they are.
Much more valuable.
I'm slowly hinting at a player or two that we're going to talk about. But you know, wide receivers has been not what anyone expected coming into this season. It was draft and draft, the draft them, and then we've needed more core running backs ever than before, and more wide receivers performing pretty high.
Pat.
Yeah, just a plague of injuries at the position. While and now we've got six teams on buy this week, so you have wide receiver threes pushed into wide receiver two range. You've got some undesirable guys pushed into wide receiver three range, and once it gets beyond wide receiver three range, lots of luck.
Wasn't and hopefully people, let's say it wasn't the best time for the bipocalypse to happen here or for the trade deadline to end, because hopefully you major moves prior to this, and you were checking out the buy selling hold essentially the trade show that we do on Tuesdays with myself and Andrew Ericsson ran Wormley, hopefully getting you guys into the right spot. So let's talk about some
of these wide receivers and how you're starting them. Let's look at the big board for wide out, starting with number one, a mon Ross Saint Brown. I was actually my number one last week, had the Jags beautiful, Well, Chef's kiss, he's got the Colts, so we're back at number one. Justin Jefferson at two. We got no Bengals this week, so no Jamar Chase up there, aj Brown, Pokinakua, and Nico Collins. That's your top five, followed by Tyreek Kill at six, Cooper Cup, Terry McLaurin, George Pickens, DK
METC Half Molik Neighbors, and Mike Evans. All Right, I said last week Pat that I would offer myself as tribute to Tyreek Hill.
That I was.
I had been on on by and then I finally had enough with the wrist and him not getting targets. I offered myself up and it worked. The fantasy gods took it, and Tyreek Hill had a pretty solid week. He's now at six. I just want to throw it back to you. Is your comfort level confirmed after that game that we just saw. The wrist injury had me worried, but they were able to finally get him involved and in the corner.
And just do stuff that they used to do.
Do you think he belongs back in this Don't ask me about Tyreek Hill.
He's a must starte territory.
I do.
I've got a wide receiver for and I've been guilt guilty of over ranking him all season, and you know, like it's it's beating me up. But I'm fundamentally investing in one of the best wide receivers in the game, and circumstances be danned. I know Toua isn't throwing downfield as aggressively as he had been in the past, but still love the chances of Tyreek breaking off a long one getting you a touchdown in any given game. Wilsha, I'm gonna keep going back to the well.
Well, Tyreek is back and everybody can feel good. And if you're still vying for a playoff spot when you had Tyreek taking him in the first round, good on you because you probably constructed a pretty good roster or you're pretty amazing on the waiver wire. So wide receiver ones, they're pretty locked in. Let's have one conversation though, Milink Neighbors. Milik Neighbors has got a brand new quarterback and it's the third guy on the list. Tommy DeVito is there.
Does not make us feel comfortable, Drew Locke. You know they benched Daniel Jones. No more incentives. It looks like the players are pissed. Drew lock You can't do it because we also gave you like two million plus dollars in incentives. So Tommy DeVito is the quarterback. He comes in as wide receiver eleven this week against Tampa Bay. It's a real big question about overall value moving forward.
If he gets volume. If they do what they do with Daniel Jones and just every pass goes to Melik Neighbors playing squirrel finds a nut reference, you know, like if you get fifteen targets, you're probably gonna catch seven or eight minimum. You're gonna do something with it and hold some fantasy value. We don't know that that's going to be the case. We don't know what this is going to look like. We could have made some of the I made some of those similar things with like
eh Skeyther Thompson, don't worry about that. Mike McDaniel smart enough, they'll just keep throwing to Tyreek Hill.
Nope.
So we don't know what that's going to ultimately look like. With Neighbors, you have concerns in your own personal ranks. I will have the exact same concerns with my rank that's going to be on Fantasy Pro.
So let's talk through it.
You've got him at wide receiver seventeen. That's still pretty like you're starting him, but that's opening up some more questions if you've got some depth at the position that maybe he isn't a guy that you want to throw out there.
Yeah, I mean, let me just mention that I Malik Neighbors is one of my most heavily drafted players, so I've got him in a lot of redraft leagues and I'm gonna be starting him. I'm not benching Melik Neighbors in any of my leagues. But look, there's some conflicting variables here. One is, we feel great about matchups against the Buccaneers pass defense like that has been a green
light for wide receivers all season. We don't feel so great about Tommy DeVito making the start, even though there were some games last year he started and was serviceable in. But maybe most concerning to me Welsh is just the overall trajectory of Malik neighbors rookie season.
So far.
He hasn't been that good in his last four games, even though he has drawn ten or more targets in three of those four games, He's averaged fifty five point three yards five point three yards per target, which is a pretty terrible number, quite frankly, and hasn't scored a touchdown since Week three. So as glorious as things were for Melik Neighbors in that first month of his rookie season,
things have been not so glorious lately. Maybe this is the matchup that perks him up, like everyone passes on the Buccaneers successfully, but we'll see it. It's a backup quarterback and I don't know, this is really hard to predict. Let's just I'm not going to be betting any player props on Malik Neighbors or sticking him in any DFS lineups, but I will be starting him everywhere.
Yeah, I think like the ten man leagues are probably where this becomes a bigger thing where you have like one flex two wide receivers starts. You know, you might have enough depth at the position where that does become a question. For the most part, most of us, especially reiterating again the bye week, probably going to create scenarios where it's like you can't not start him. But our comfort level, my comfort level is not wide receiver one. So I'm actually a little bit surprised to see him
break that top twelve from this week. That might adjust as the week goes on. Only other note, good to see Mike Evans, assuming he's going to play. He was practicing getting him back out there. He's going against the Giants, which is a phenomenal matchup he's at twelve. I got to tell you if he is active, and we get a couple positive words at the back end of the week.
Mike Evans over neighbors for me. Again, not that that's necessarily a decision people will be making, but you never know, you never know, You mean, you guys, guys got like Terry McLaurin jumped up here. It's not impossible that a team out there got a value on Puka and took Terry McLaurin and had neighbors and maybe Mike Evans that could be a four wide receiver corp.
Then some decisions are being made.
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Wide Receiver twos. This is wide Receiver thirteen through twenty four. We're starting with Zay Flowers at thirteen, at fourteen, Ced Lamb Courtland Sutton, Debo, Lad McConkey, Juwan Jennings at eighteen, Jackson Smith and Jigba DeVante Smith, Jaden Reed, Marvin Harrison, Jamison Williams, and Calvin Ridley. There's some good questions in here.
I know I'm a Niner fan and people know about that, but I am happy that this Juwan Jennings side of the conversation is relevant and me not just bringing something that I think is relevant when it's not. More so something I said earlier in the week. And I've started to kind of pose out there and I'm seeing a lot more publicly as well. I think there's an easy case to say Juwan Jennings is the receiver over Deebo Samuel,
and I think I will rank him as such. The X receiver has gotten a primary target share, specifically just Juwan Jennings. There's questions there in the Twitter verse about separation numbers in general. Well, the one guy that gets separation is and if he doesn't, gets great and contested catches, is Juwan Jennings. The Deebo Samuel inderound. It just doesn't work right now. I'm not saying I'm surprised to see
Diebo ahead of Juwan Jennings. I'm happy to see them close, and I also agree that Deebo needs to be knocked down outside of the top fifteen. I will rank Juwan Jennings over Deebo this week. Pat, I throw it to you, Deebo or Juwan, And how close in the rankings do you think these two belong?
I have Deebo Wide Receiver thirteen and Jennings Wide Receiver sixteen Welsh, but I admit that that might be the wrong call, and I maybe should have Jennings ranked ahead of Deebo. I think one thing I have to get used to is just basically ranking Juwan Jennings as if I were ranking a healthy brand in Ayuk. Yes, I think he's stepped right into that role. He is their
Brandon Ayuk. He's been the same sort of high efficiency receiver and geez, I mean he's actually drawing more targets per game than I think Brandon Ayuk did in his thirteen hundred yard twenty twenty three season. And maybe I have to get used to the idea. And we had Jacob gibbs On as a guest a few weeks ago, and Jacob talked about how Deebo has traditionally smashed in games in which Brandon Ayuk did not play. Well, Brandon Ayuk is playing, He's just playing under a different name.
It's Juwan Jennings. So maybe we have to dock Deebo a little bit for that and rank him as if he were playing with a healthy Brandon Ayuk. So, yeah, I do have a gap between the two, not a big one. I do have Debo ranked higher. But whilst I will freely concede, that might not be the right call.
Yeah, And this, like the audible meme of like Scooby Doo with the mass being pulled off, is Brandon ayuk mask has pulled off and it's Juwan Jennings.
That's the play. That's kind of been my argument.
The battle, my main battle has been look at Juwan a month plus, Look at Juwan Jennings like you would with Brandon Ayuk and consider that moving forward, and more so putting him on that trade show. The prior week was Listen, Juwan Jennings should be ranked as a top twenty wide receiver, and I'm glad to see him at eighteen. And I think the names he's ahead of are no brainers.
And I think he belongs in the conversation of Sutton and this version of Cede Lamb that's out there right now like the sky's the limit, especially because they pass the ball a ton. But it's good to see you are higher than consensus on both of these guys. And the ranking also shows you our comfort level debos dropping down. But Juwan Jennings is about in that same territory of a must start pointing out now that I'm thinking about this,
you have Juwan Jennings over Malik Neighbors this week. If I heard your rank correctly, you have him at sixteen and you have Neighbors at seventeen. So if you had Juwan Jennings you said, oh, I'm starting Neighbors everywhere, legit shot you picked up Juwan Jennings off of waivers that.
You would start him over neighbors.
Yeah, say for bet, I think they're playing the Packers. I think the Packers could be without Jay r Alexander, who left last week's game against the Bears. You know, their best cornerback. If they don't have him, that makes things a little bit easier for Brock Bauer or Brock Bowers Brock Purdy to do business against that Green Bay secondary. So yeah, I mean, I think both are pretty solid plays which.
The Niners had Brock Bowers, Brock to Brock would be great. Let's talk about Ladd.
There's another one of those. That's the guy I've talked about a couple times on that Bui Hoole Cell trade show. I love Ladd McConkie, and things are really starting to come in just you know, into play for him, as far as I think this is his highest ECR rank in any single week. He's coming in at seventeen versus Baltimore. The thing you can do about against Baltimore you can throw the ball, and Ladd has really really been benefiting their air yards, total yards, catches. He's the main target.
Do you buy and where do you have Lad? McConkie at seven team.
I very much buy him. He's inside my top twenty wide receiver nineteen. One word of caution here, I know that last week in that Sunday night game against the Bengals, he landed on his shoulder on one play and was like down for a while and wound up coming back and playing. And I know after the injury, like a lot of the Twitter injury docs were saying that it looked like the mechanism maybe for an ac joint sprain, which is usually an injury that does cost guys a
week at least. Now Ladd came back into the game, so a lot of people were sort of chastising the Twitter docs for having it wrong, but like they explained that it is possible to sort of like play through that, but then you're going to be messed up for the
following week. So just saying, keep tabs on Lad. Maybe he's fine, Hopefully it's nothing, but man, you have to be excited about this matchup against the Ravens with Ladd and with the way he has looked, was such a great deal of enthusiasm for him in the spring Welsh with the way he just embarrassed cornerbacks at the senior ball and you know then he's drafted highly and man, he looks the part like he does look like the primary possession receiver for this now explosive Chargers passing game
with Justin Herbert throwing it around way more than he was early in the season when he was averaging like one hundred and fifty passing yards a game over the first month.
Yeah, you know, I said this some sometime back in stupid resemblance aside, like the way he separates it was, it's very like Julian Edelman esque from the Patriots. You know, just you know, you get in ten quick feet shuffle and it just the separation is easy. He does stuff after the catch. I mean, Ladd is super, super impressive and a real big key to it as well is
Justin Herbert playing so well. That's why the confidence I have thought has led more and more to Lad moving away from being a question and another reason to kind of bring him up as well as much as this past weekend in the Sunday live stream every Sunday, come in, can ask your questions, start and sit questions we have on the Fantasy pros a lot. We do it live
there was quite a few Lad questions. It was like should I do Lad or this or That's a Ladd is still in this territory this week Bypocalypse matchup, and just maybe people buying into the performance has moved him into a spot where he's mid wide receiver too. There
really isn't a ton of question interesting. I do think coming back using Malik Neighbors as our baseline here, Malik Neighbors versus Lad is very very close, you know, and I think you have him at seventeen and nineteen, so you buy that there might even be a scenario where you might feel a little bit more comfortable about the volume and the offense moving against what you could do passing against Baltimore with Lad. But you know, Milik Neighbors
also like a super elite talent. The final one I want to talk about in this range is one of your guys with the Green Bay Packers, Jayden Reid.
Jayden Reid has got.
The San Francisco forty nine ers this week twenty one is the rank. I tend to look at a guy or your Packers offense and think like a guy like Romeo Dobbs is the type of player that's gonna eat the forty nine ers up with just a lot of those end outs Niners playing off coverage, but the Niners will give up big plays and Jayden Reid would be It's either Jayden Reid or Christian Watson are gonna.
Like eat off of those big plays.
I want to gauge and see where you're at three start, three star matchup rating on Fantasy Pros for Reid against the forty nine ers. Do you think he can get some volume, is gonna break some big plays.
I don't know if he's gonna get volume, but I do think he's always a big play threat. And here's the thing, Welsh and I think people have recency bias in their rankings, and we're seeing Jayden Reed start to slip down in ECR after being like kind of a
consistent wide receiver one guy early in the season. The difference is that Jordan Love has thrown one touchdown pass over his last three games, whereas in his first four games he had excuse me, first five games of the season fifteen touchdown passes for Jordan Love three per game, and that has dried up lately. So people are starting to go away from Jayden Reed. But man, this dude is still a dangerous like. He has scored touchdowns way more often than not in games that Jayden Reed has
played with Jordan Love. So I think your touchdown odds in any given game are still pretty good. And this dude has all sorts of big play potential with his speed and shiftiness when he has the ball in his hands. So I would not hesitate to start Jayden Reed even though things have not been glorious for him lately.
Do you have him as a wide receiver too? I didn't. What's your rank on because he's twenty.
One PC high end, I've got him at I'm at twenty one also.
Okay, so you're like right there with him.
If the Niners don't have Nick Bosa, their pass rush is going to struggle and it's going to give more time for Jordan Love. And I think Jordan Love is a good bet to put up some big stats there if you want to make that bet. By the way, we got a special offer for you on Betting Pros. You can unlock a month of Betting Pros Premium four
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We've got DeAndre Hopkins, Cedric Tilmid, Jacoby Myers, Tank Dell, Quentin Johnston rounds out the top thirty Jerry Judy, DJ Moore, Jayden Waddle or Jalen Waddle, Romeo Dobbs, Christian Watson and Xavier Worthy, DJ Moore Fell DJ Moore got you know, more, a more target, a higher target share than we had seen. At least the offense was trying to adjust to him. Yet he comes in at thirty two. This week a
three star rating against Minnesota. Probably some of this is the worry that Minnesota scheming this year has given quarterbacks fits. You're gonna go, no pun intended. You're going to give a rookie quarterback who has struggled making decisions going up against that type of scheme. I think the thing that would benefit DJ Moore is if they do what they'd said before and they say, Caleb, you get one Mississippi and you just make the throw, then DJ Moore just got to do stuff with the ball after.
But what say you?
And how about we pit Dj Moore against Jalen Waddle, who's got a really great matchup against New England, just didn't.
Get his target shares there. What do you think it looks like? Dj Moore versus Jalen Wattle.
I've got Wattle higher wide receiver twenty eight versus wide receiver thirty two. I would start Jalen Waddle. And I know he's been perennially, not perennially but weekly frustrating like it's been tough. But again you said a Welsh great matchup for him, and my concern with DJ Moore he
just had his best game since Week five. Still only had sixty two receiving yards, and in their first game since firing Shane Waldern as their offensive coordinator, the Bear seemed to be focusing on having Caleb get the ball out like gety split. As you just mentioned. It seemed to be working in the sense that Caleb completed more than seventy percent of his throws against the Packers. But like this is a training wheels passing game. Now, Like
Caleb didn't go downfield. I don't think that whole game. I'm not sure if he had a ball with more than like ten or twelve intended air yards on the throw. Like this was everything was so close to the line of scrimmage, no verticality whatsoever. More, did catch seven of seven targets. He ever eight point nine yards per catch. And that's the thing. Like Dj Moore is really good after the catch, like get the ball in his hands, he can make things happen. But boy, everything was just
so close to the line of scrimmage. Welsh, we just haven't really seen any chemistry between Caleb and Dj Moore this season. Just not a lot of not a lot of touchdowns and yardage to go run and we're chopping it up between DJ Moore, Romo dunes Day, keenan All, and Cole Kmet So I'm still not very enthusiastic, which saddens me because DJ Moore is, you know, longtime favorite player.
And you know the theme when we talk about the bye weeks if we have those other six teams. Not sure he makes it as the top thirty six this week, most likely pushed out of it Dj Moore, we were talking about Latin McConkey. Let's get into Quinton Johnston. Because you have Quinton Johnston higher than ECR, not by a lot. I think he actually might have moved a little bit.
He's ECR thirty right now going up against that Baltimore secondary that you can throw against, and you've got him as a twenty nine, so I mean that's a mid wide receiver. Three here, what's your level of comfortability with Quentin Johnston this week?
We know he's not gonna get double digit targets most likely that's just not his thing. The target counts aren't gonna be great. But considering how consistently he has made big plays this year, how efficient he has been, which is kind of a remarkable thing to say when we consider what Quinton Johnston looked like in his rookie season.
I mean, now he's averaging sixteen point one yards per catch, nine point six yards per target, and of course he gets this sweet, sweet matchup against the Baltimore Ravens pass defense. So yeah, I mean, the Ravens have given up a league high two eighty four passing yards this season. I gotta believe QJ makes a player two in this game,
so you know, like they have. I forget how many pass plays of twenty yards or more the Ravens have given up this season, but I want to say it's like more than a dozen more than the next highest team. So I feel like QJ is going to get in on the fun this year or this week. And yeah, I mean I've got him ranked mid range wide receiver three. I think in most circumstances here.
Playing him, you're comfortable letting him fly.
Cedric Tillman. Cedric Tillman this week comes in at wide receiver twenty seven against the Pittsburgh Steelers. This is a little bit of a rougher matchup. Jerry Judy comes in at thirty one. Just want to point that out. Jerry Judy got the bulk of targets this week, if Jerry Judy is seen as the number one, could get a little bit more, it could get tighter coveraged, and maybe that's something that opens up Tillman. I mean, the problem with the Browns in general is the spacing of the
targets to all three of these guys. But this might be an opportunity for Tilman to shine a tiny bit more, which I think puts him higher. But you know, he was at the forefront of most questions last week. You know my big battle Tom and I were having was he was Tilman, I was Juwan Jennings. Those have separated
this week. Tilman's actually back a tiny bit more. I think people seeing Jerry Judy's ranks in there talk to me about Cedric Tillman there and maybe throw in the Jerry Judy side to this, because Judy has had a phenomenal amount. I want to say it was like thirty targets over the last three weeks, if that makes sense. If I'm saying that correctly, he's had a monster target share. Tilman still eats off of this. But against the Pittsburgh Steelers, do you think both can be Fantasy relevant?
I think they can both be fantasy relevant Targets have been pretty evenly divided between Tillman, Jerry Judy, and Elijah Moore since Jameis Winston took over a quarterback for the Browns. My issue, Welsh, it's a hellish matchup. Like the Steelers have been really hard on passing games lately. I'm concerned about that. I think I'm going to move both Judy. Right now, I have both Judy and Tillman side by side. Judy actually one spot higher and ahead of Quentin Johnston.
I'm going to move them both behind Quinn Johnson. I think I was right on ECR with Tilman. I'm going to be two spots behind ECR after I make this adjustment. I just I do worry about how much business the Browns are going to be able to do through the air against this Steelers pass defense.
Final wide receiver, let's talk about It's the circle of trust. He has been out of my circle of trust. He might be back in. It's Xavier Worthy, a very anti Exavier Worthy, just because it's been a whole bunch of nothing. And then of course, you know, I'm like, hey, I'm dramatically it's nothing. And then it was something he got
more involved in the offense, they moved away. I would say, though it was heavily at the expense of them not getting the ball to DeAndre Hopkins and Travis kelce So I think that has to be kind of kept in mind as we move forward. But it was good to see him make some plays and get out there. He's ECR thirty six. You don't see mas bought in. You've got him at thirty nine. I tend to agree with you that he's not in that wide receiver three reigns and he's still to me a fringy flex. I kind
of don't trust it. He's going up against Carolina, though, which makes you super excited, except if this would be my logic, if he is going to thrive when Hopkins and Travis Kelcey come down a little bit. The Carolina matchup is not where I think DeAndre Hopkins and Travis Kelsey are going to struggle, But it doesn't mean that they're not going to absolutely dominate and they're not going
to want to take what they did last week. Moving forward with Xavier Worthy, these are just some open thoughts about the process of like where we're at with Worthy. If you were pro Worthy or I guess Anti talk to me about what you think from what you saw last week, is Worthy a guy that is going to get more usage through the rest of the year.
I find it hard to see that happening, Welsh, seems. So the target competition is as fierce for Worthy as it's been all season, pretty much because the Chiefs have added DeAndre Hopkins via trade. Juju Smith Schuster is now healthy and playing again. I don't know if Juju's gonna have a huge role, but he's gonna get some targets, and the Chiefs are distributing targets to not one but two tight ends with Travis Kelcey and to a lesser extent,
of course, Noah Gray. So even with the good game last week, Xavier Worthy is averaging eight point three half point PPR points per game. And it was a good game last week, in the big game in Week one, and in between, it's been a whole lot of nothing, and I just the floor is super low, as it always is for Xavier Worthy. It's maddening to me, Welsh, that this dude cannot get two feet out of bounds. Someone's gotta constantly remind him. I guess it's not college
anymore where you can get one foot down. He's lost a couple potential big gainers that way this season, so yeah, I'm just I'm not buying.
I'm not buying Quentin Johnston, Cedric Tillman, Xavier Worthy. There actually really might be a lot of big questions for this week, so don't forget. You can get your question answered on our weekly start and Sit live stream on a YouTube channel where you can come and ask any of those. We'll be with you every Thursday at three pm Eastern. So if you're listening on the pod, go to YouTube dot com Slash Fantasy Pro subscribe.
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