Welcome in everybody in too Fantasy pros. This is out of Bounds. It is me Joey P joe Pisape with my two best friends, Bogman and the Welsh. We hang out here every single week and talk football, little fantasy, a little wagering, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, a lot of things, and we usually do it on audio only. But today, well today is a new day. Yes it is because today we're also
on the YouTube channel. Why because y'all made out of Bounds so darn popular that they couldn't stop it anymore. They had to put our handsome faces on the YouTube channel. And of course I use handsome in air quotes. Bogman Welsh. It's great to see both of you, my boys here. We have nice holiday weekend, little days off there. Bogman, you're just having the best time ever. I mean, your Steelers win, your Longhorns win, the Ravens loss to the Eagles. I mean, this is and and there were a ton
of sides and a ton of sides of Thanksgiving. I mean, this is this is heaven for you.
I mean it is great. Honestly, it is great, and I understand the smugness. You know, I'm definitely like one of Kyle's parents in that episode, like I.
Want happiness for you, but like your face makes me want a couple bad things to happen. Nothing serious, but.
Well, listen, I expect the anvil to drop on me at some point here, you know, just knowing the history of the world, it's not all going to work out. But it was a great weekend. I really really like. Look, my bets weren't great this weekend. So you know, if you're looking for the third colored lining Welsh, there it is.
You got to die hoodie on too, So that's not great.
Yeah, that's also true. You know, we can't defer payments until judgment day.
Hey Joe, thanks for wearing that Bill's hoodie too.
By that I found in my closet from a team that I coached a few years ago. I figured it was appropriate to wear on the show that because speaking of anvil's dropping, Uh, the anvil dropped on the Ford Anders hard in the snow Look. We had the over under four and a half games for Christian McCaffrey this year. I took the Underbogman. I think you were on the under with me and Ericson as well. I believe of memory serves. Yes, I can't remember, you can't remember. But anyway,
the Freie Niners are done. Oh well, he left the show already. We just got on YouTube. How could you leave now? But you okay, here's the real question, Welsh. How much of the game did you actually watch last night before you just turned it off and did that sad like outside.
Okay.
I think it was after the Bills scored the touchdown, they kicked off and the Niners fumbled.
I think you just turned off and didn't Oh can I want to guess.
Too, I want to guess too. I think Welsh it was the Amari Cooper catch and then tossed the Josh Allen for the touchdown.
When Welsh said, okay, that's it, I think he was done before that.
You think it was done before then?
Okay, didn't even see that play. Did not see that play. I was out. I think about three or four plays after Christian McCaffrey banged his knee on the ground. Instantly knew that he was done and gone. Instantly tweeted to everybody, hope you still have your Jordan Mason's Guess what I do that's the only silver lining of the whole thing. I then popped back in after halftime to be like
maybe nope, and that was it. So it was it was about Christian because I think after the Christian McCaffrey injury that was roughly near the third touchdown twenty one to whatever, I checked out pretty early. It's checkout time. I had no reason to watch that disgusting game, even though I had f FPC implications on the line and good thing George Kittle had one catch that helped me out a bunch.
Yeah, well, here's the thing. Don't lose heart, because look at the Philadelphi Eagles this year. They had more basically the Niners last year of everything going wrong. You were the healthiest team in the NFL last year. Eric, it loves to point that out every single time. And that was eventually going to come home to roost, and it did.
Joe Sterdamas did show up on the live stream on Sunday though, talking about maybe you should all get Jordan Mason back on your rosters because what's the chances that they win and they're probably, you know, not going to win in Buffalo in the weather and all this stuff. You know, you might as well pick up Jordan Mason, because what if they just shut McAffrey down over the
last couple of weeks. You want to just grab him now for free on a Sunday once again, Joe, the second time with Jordan Mason worked for your team?
That didn't you cut Jordan Mason recently?
Did you pick him back?
I had to. I had to cut him. I had a twelve guys up the yin yang and I had no choice. I had I had to feel the team because I am in the playoff race.
I hope that team eliminated.
You shouldn't because I'm the only one that could stop Derek Brown in that league or whatever the hell he is. And I'm going to be the four seed that beats him, and and that is going to be the best show that we could possibly.
You take that Bill thing off on my root for you now.
Now that's staying off for the rest of the show. So let's talk about CMC fantasy wise, right, because we are talking fantasy here, So Bog's the future here for him. This is a player that has bounced back from injury before, right and was kind of written off and went back and I had two monster seasons after two injury, Plague gears,
what's your assessment of Christian McCaffrey next year. Do we see him him as a lesser version of himself or or do you see him as like the guy now who he's gonna show you those flashes, but he's not gonna be on the field enough.
Joe, Joe, I don't even believe that this is a PCL injury at all. Why would you believe a single thing the forty nine ers tell you about an injury at all?
I don't believe anything.
Well, they say this guy had two he had bilateral Achilles tendonitis. He had to go to a different country to be evaluated here, right, yea.
A geminy it was.
I will retort, I will retort ed. McCaffrey was on k Adams, the Wonderful k Adams and did confirm it was a piece.
He shouldn't be I mean, you should give her some more room to breathe. That's that's not right.
I'm just saying he was on there and said that that it was a PCL injury. He's gonna have an MRI, and then did the like, if he can play, he's gonna go regardless of the playoff thing. But he is clearly done for This's the video by the way of his calf going like like just.
Yeah, that's why I don't believe him. It looks like it was that. That's what happens with the achilles tear is a whole calf like vibrates right. So I don't even I don't even believe there was a pcl taar because Shanahan and the Niners have lied to us too many times about injuries. We didn't know about Brandon Allen's busted finger before he played. We all thought party was gonna end up starting that game, and he didn't. They've they've hidden injuries all year long. I don't trust a thing the.
Year then no, okay, so you're out of the business, Welsh. Are you out of the business of what?
Trusting Shanahan?
No trusting McCaffrey.
Next year, Oh, mcf next year if he's healthy, he's healthy. But I just don't believe anything for this year.
Christian McCaffrey is the Mike Trout of football. He is an immense talent. Mike Trout.
If you're a.
Baseball guy, Mike Trout was one of the number one fantasy players to start the year. This past year, even though he's getting older and his body was breaking down, he went, he was berserk, and what happened exactly what everybody expected. He got hurt. So and those are the guys that kill me in all fantasy. The play like if the players start to get hurt and then their game starts to deteriorate, Okay, that's one thing, but when they're out there, Jacob d Grom, Mike Trout and they're amazing,
I can't help myself. So like he's gonna get hurt, like he's not. His body is breaking down, he's a running back. McCaffrey's out there gajillion times per game. So can I trust him? No? But like will I yeah, I probably will. I'll go like right back into that whole ball game. But we really need to hear what happens, because dude, that thing look like the moon coming down on the ocean and the ocean just going that calf on that video, the slow motion that dude put out
there on Twitter look brutal. And he's gonna be done. And that's why you said it. Last week, I tweeted out, you gotta have Jordan Mason if Jordan Mason just instantly became the weirdest and wildest, biggest Week fourteen waiver going into the playoffs because people dropped him, like you Joe who got hit with BIP had no choice.
But again, that's what that particular roster look. I got Derek Henry b Rob Chubb, I got like, I got like six running backs on roster. So it was more just like I literally can't feel to, you know, fighting for my life in the playoffs. It's such a hyper competitive league that that Flex you know, super Flex Expert League, it's so tough that, like you just there's zero margin forever. And I knew it, and I knew as soon as they did it it was gonna bite me in the ass. And sure enough, but it was.
Right around the time where you could because it was like like you're like, oh, McCaffrey's been here for three weeks now, so it's like, all right, maybe we're good to go.
And then well that's the thing. It's like, Okay, well, you know, we seem to know.
Where things are going using these other guys, so.
Yeah, well, don't be shocked if they don't evaluate Grendo a little bit more too, because that's the whole thing. Like I want to say Mason contract wise, you know, Eli Mitchell, like all those guys might be gone next year, so it might not just be Mason. You might get a little Grendo in there. I want to talk about Josh Allen here because it does feel like now, you know, with another Lamar Jackson loss, even though his stats are really good, it's another loss for him. Sauan's a running back.
They're not going to give it to him. Should they consider him? Of course they should. He is incredibly valuable. Like yesterday was probably the last time you were going to see Josh Allen in the positive for MVP was plus one twenty five and told everybody bet it because you know he's gonna win. If Lamar loses, they're going to separate. And they have minus two eighty right now for Josh Allen plus eight fifty for Lamar Jackson Boggs.
I mean, it feels like this is finally the year quote unquote that Josh Allen gets his MVP.
Yeah, I mean it is definitely trending that way. Like
you said, I'm looking at it right now. The all I think Barkley is the only one that has, you know, a legit chance to dethrone Josh Allen right now, and it would have to be Josh Allen making some mistakes to drop the Bills out of uh you know, maybe not not a home game they already locked up a home game, but maybe even competing with the Chiefs for the number one seed like something like that would have to happen to put Barkley up there because they just
don't want to give this award to a running back ever. Again, it's all a quarterback.
Do you guys know who the last non quarterback MVP was, because I have it here.
I want to say, Sean Alexander, is it four?
Okay, Bogman, what's your guests?
Yeah, I mean that that sounds about right.
It was twenty twelve. Adrian Peterson was the last one and only eight Yeah, only three non quarter Actually, I'll do this, four non quarterback MVPs since two thousand and they were all running backs.
Yeah, I mean I remember Sean Alexander's when said Adrian Peterson. I remember that one too. Yeah, it's just it's not an award that I mean, AP Player of the Year is now for the non quarterback that's what it is. It's the it's the you're the best player who's not a quarterback, and that's where it goes. I want to get to more discussion about the Ravens and the Eagles too, but I want to get to discussion here from our folks on our discord. Axle is up with us here.
So again we record this show on our discord, Fantasy Bros. Dot COM's Last Jet where people can come in and actually ask us questions live here, talk about their disgruntled Sundays and things that went wrong with their fantasy team. Axel, you're up with the everybody hear what's going on? What do you have for us today? Yeah? I just want to be Joe Jawnson.
Bad trades I made before the before the deadline, and a question about which quarterbacks to keep going forward.
Sure, let's talk about the bad trade.
Would you?
Would you do a sounds really bad? Well, Axel a Bears fan from his avatar, so he is not.
I'm really worried about Axl, Axel to give it to us.
Actually, you're the perfect segue into the next topic too. Maybe we'll jump a topic, but let's let's make it about you first. Axel, what do you have?
Okay, so I traded away and Brian Robinson for Breeze Hall.
I mean, yeah, look.
You know that and we two. You can understand everybody being excited about Breeze Hall, but there was nothing I think going forward Welsh that like you saw the Jets offense continuing to butter. I mean in the first quarter. It had a couple of moments there, and then of course the Breezeault fumble, and then my favorite moment of Sunday was the Letter Williams return for a touchhout ninety
two yards or whatever. There's nothing like the big boys scoring team, oh his old team, Geno Smith beating the Jets in New York. This was the darnold game that I didn't get because it was in London. So now we got the Geno Smith knife in the heart for the Jets season with big Oldleonard Williams running ninety two. I love when the Bighams run all the way down the field with the ball. It is my favorite thing. And I didn't see Aaron Rodgers chasing him at oh. I was looking Jason, Yeah.
How when did this trade go down? Axle?
Two weeks ago about two weeks ago.
I had to that.
I think it's okay, like b Rot like he just.
Rob was banged up, Jason was kind of coming around. But you know, if you can most of the time, you want the best player in the trade, right, So, uh, Brice Sall at that point still easily the best player in the trade, is still probably the best player in the trade.
Up and down box. So it's not like, yeah, you know he's had.
Now because Brice Hall's banged up obviously was not a percent yesterday and you know Jasn is playing out of his mind and b Rob just scored you know, a lot of points for you.
So yeah, it is depressing.
I understand the voice now, Axel, I get it, but you know some of those I think your process was right and it just didn't work out this time.
Axel, what was the other thing you had because you said you had a was a question for.
The real quick, I just I traded away Buggy Irving and Higgins because I have Chase already for Jason and Taysom Hill.
Oh oh no, I'll and you're a Bears fan on top of it, Axel, Look, you know there's very freeze in the Big Lebowski sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear he eats you. And is a Bears fan, you've already learned this the hard way, Axel. It's a tough one. Taysom getting hurt. We'll talk about that a little bit later too. So it's a safe place where you can air your grievances. And that's why we we
love this show here. So on top of which, Axel had to watch the Bears on Thanksgiving, and I think all of us watching the Bears of Thanksgiving were number one first and foremost. I don't want to be lost in the shuffle. It's like, what the second we're gonna roll? Where Caleb Williams had a monster a second half after a dreadful first half. It looks fantastic. So that's encouraging. That's good if you're a Bears fan. But the mismanagement box of that clock at the end, I mean, it's
so unforgivable. It's so very football one on one that it almost was it was hard to understand what was actually happening that they didn't grasp the moment.
You know what.
I feel like the top Madden players should have to give every coach a lesson on clock management because they do it like forty five times a day with all the games that they're playing, and these coaches don't do it every day. You know that they think they know this was idiotic. The ending of the game was one of the most bungled games you've ever seen. Nobody call the timeout. I mean, I even think everyone wants to give Caleb the Well, you know you're a rookie, blah blah blah.
I don't care all the time out.
If you see that your coach is doing something incorrect, you know, this dude has already lost the locker room. They said he was given a speech or something when the players cut him off and went off.
So it was amazing that he he went out and he defended it after. That's the best part about this whole thing, not just the forty seconds. Oh my god, yeah, oh well I was.
I think that was the last swing of the acts. There was you're gonna go out and you're gonna you're not gonna take accountability for this.
You can do it again.
We had the right play, we did the right process. Now I screw up across my team.
A huge win against the best the NFC one more time. Yeah, that was like a good idea. Uh, and now you get the Bears without with the new OC, without their head coach going to San Francisco this week, So do you get the dead coach bounce the Bears? What do you think?
Wels?
Yeah?
Sure, Niners are just an absolute disaster. It's embarrassment. I hope the Bears beat him by seventy and I bet they will. Caleb, He'll call out of every single play, ninety seconds per play and they'll still beat them by twenty hundred percent. They'll probably play up, they'll probably loosen the reins. The only problem still is is that Caleb Williams still has the problem of just running around in circles, indecisive,
not comfortable making those throws. The good thing is the forty nine ers can't cover, so he's gonna be able to make quicker decisions. I legit would not be shocked. I mean to be frank if I had to bet on it, I'm one hundred percent betting on the Niners and Jordan Mason going ballistic on them. But like, they're gonna score some touchdowns in the air and they'll probably We'll probably look at this team will be like, who's this team, and it'll all have been eberflu switch. What a disaster.
Maybe disaster maybe I mean, but this is the bare cycle. This is what they do. So they they hire a head coach right then they took Trubisky. That didn't work out, so they fire the coach. New coach comes in, don't like Trubisky, they get Rich Trubisky. They still suck, so they get to pick another quarterback. They take fields. Fields. Is no good with that coach. They fire that coach, and then they bring another coach, and then that coach
doesn't like Fields. They move on from Fields, and they still lose the first quarterback.
It is the first time they The last time a head coach left in the middle of the year, it was to go to World War Two and it was George Hallis who owned the team. That's the last time they replaced coaches in the middle of a season. So this is not something that the Bears do or take lightly. They don't fire coaches in season. And they made a big exception for this bunglement of this game. And you know a lot, well we can call it benglement. I think that fits perfectly.
Do you guys really think the Bears next week either one of.
You and yes, well, I think they can cover the six and a half.
Though, let's do this.
I'll be honest with you, I do.
I got a bet for you. Are you ready? This will be on the show next week. Let's do a fingernail bet. If the Niners win. I want you to do your fingernails. If the Bears win, I'll come on the show and I'll paint my fingernails and will we will Caleb Williams at.
Up Williams bete. So I was about to say yes for the Bears, Joe beat me to it. I'm glad I don't have to pay my fingernails now.
So no, you're with them.
I said they could cover. I don't know if they can win. See that's straight up.
Straight up win. I'll give you two points. I don't know if the spread is right. Now i'll give you.
I'll give you the spread of six and a half. That's why I said I think they can.
I'll give you two point five because your dead cat bounce on the for and a stink and you're in that stupid Bill's hoodie on you get you get minus two point five?
All right, I'll take it. So yeah, cover the two and a half. Uh, there you go. Then you have to then you have to do.
One of us. Is gonna have some hold on hold oneails next week?
Excuse mate?
Can I pick the color since I'm the neutral for whoever loses?
Well, it's gonna well, I both have daughters, so it's gonna be whatever in the house.
It's gonna be whatever I can find and herd Okay.
Okay, but you have to send me a picture of the options and I pick.
We'll see them. I'll do them on the show. I'll do them during the show next week. That's what we'll do, all right.
All right, let's go to dreadis, who's been very patient waiting for us?
Was up?
Dread? How's it Goingdres?
Are you good?
Good?
And you leave Joe alone with this? Bills hoodie Bill's fan over here?
Yeah, that's right, Dread.
You're a Jaguars You're a Jaguars fan.
I can't be fans of more than two teams.
You do whatever you want, you get you get to pick one. Who's your main team?
Well, in all fairness, if you're a Jaguars fan, it feels like you should have a second team. Like you should be to have a team that actually too.
I guess actually the main team is going to be the Dolphins.
I'm sorry, Oh, you can't have all the you have all the teams You're dread like the whole three teams.
I'm from Florida.
Have you seen that Chargers lady who wears like jerseys of everybody, it's like the Chargers, It's like the Vikings.
Oh yes, I have seen that. Yeah I do. Mine has like six teams all splutched together.
I want you to get one of those jerseys. I want like a triple jersey of all your favorite teams just stitched together in one big jersey.
That would be like mokel Sons that are playing for the You know, so what what? How would is your weekend?
Dread? It went great thanks to you. My opponent that I'm going to be matched up with in the playoffs has CMC. And I picked up Jordan Mason. Yeah, two hours or two hours before the game, just playing in the snow. I don't think he's one hundred percent. I'm going to pick him up just in case.
Beautiful Dread. That that made my day. That is fantastic. You can root for every team in the NFL after that, I really don't care because that's absolutely tremendous. I want to talk about the Eagles because I want to give them some credit. The Eagles, Vic Fangio, that defense played really well, Saquon out of his mind. That run that
he had uh at the end was just tremendous. And I think it's a good question to ask at this point too, because the Lions lost a ton of players defensively, got hurt in that game and already were down Hutchinson. Are the Eagles right now the best team in the NFC? Or is it the Lions? Bogs? I want to hear your take first.
It's the Lions, It's not the Eagles.
I think the Eagles got a little bit exposed yesterday because who hasn't been able to pass on this Ravens defense. Maybe they played a little bit better in this game, but Jalen Hurts was not passing the ball well in this game, and I think they probably should have put up more points and one by more. But Saquan is the man the offensive Lion is pushing everybody around. I think they have a more complete defense as well. That
secondary is insane. I don't think it's I think the Eagles have a more complete defense, but I don't think it's close. I think the Lions are the best team overall in the NFC, way over Philly because Philly is a little bit one dimensional on offense.
I completely and I just want to reiterate, I completely agree, because they cannot be they are one dimend. They cannot pass the ball. Even with AJ Brown DeVante Smith back, It's okay, they just don't have it with I mean they'll, they'll have some games, but they're way too one dimensional for me to think that the Eagles are really even
at the tippy top. I think it's Lions and then there might be a gap, and then there's like another tier of just a handful of teams, and I think the Eagles are kind of thrown into maybe what those handful of the teams are.
It might be Lions than Eagles then everybody else. But I do think that there is a significant gap.
It would be an interesting matchup. I think, you know, I feel like Sequon is in this is one of those we're seeing a special season. You know, you think you recognize that when guys are just having that special quote unquote year and this is what's happening right now with Saquon. He hasn't looked this good since he was a Penn State box. I'll be honest, like, I don't think I've ever seen Saquon look quite well.
Yeah, it was stuck playing with the Giants in between Penn States.
But even the rook the year when he went off, he had a great, you know, rookie season. I mean people were so far removed from his college days now that I think people forget how incredibly dominant he was when he played at Penn s. I mean, the guy was unbelievable there. And you're right, I mean we should have all been more aggressive on Saquon. We had that conversation about a week ago too. We were talking about that.
Also a little bit of news here the linebacker from the Texas who put the hit a these alsha here on Trevor Lawrence, which was a dirty hit, terrible, I mean just awful, you know, and you saw Trevor Lawrence immediately have you know the was it the seizing.
Is is what his fingers or doing weird stuff?
It was terrible situation. Lawrence just came back. I mean, the Jaguars feel Welsh like a team that is just being completely snake bit as an organization. And you know, when they drafted Lawrence, it felt like that was when things are turning around and we were going to finally see maybe the uptic of the Jaguars, and then there was that little bit of improvement. When Peterson came in, it was like, Okay, maybe they are turning things around
and it's just going to the complete other direction. So obviously Peterson's going to be done.
What's the news though, you said, like there's news and you just like, oh.
He's going to be suspended. Sorry about that. He will be suspended for that hit, which should be I.
Mean, honestly, did they say how long yet?
Not yet, but a suspension will be coming.
In, suspended for the end of the year, And like, I feel like set an example, like we're not gonna allow this type of dirty hit.
This is I was mixing up guys.
I mean, Matt Mlano has laid a lot of dirty hits on but it was Keiko Alonso against Joe Flacco. If you remember that hit, and I remember there was one a lot like this, I don't think it was nearly as dirty, but uh, Cincinnati, I think it was Peko, the guy with all the hair hit Trent Green. I remember seeing you could just see the lights go out for Trent Green as well, like there have been you know,
Tua has taken many of these type of hits. If it's this clearly obvious that it was a dirty hit and everything is happening, you know, bang bang.
I don't think.
Really quick in the moment, but everything was. Lawrence was clearly in the getting it, and he did at all.
I just know I understand that. You know, he's not trying to he's not trying to level this type of punishment. He's just trying to make him feel it.
It's also the new version of like they can't lead with their helmets, so he leads with their hands and they shove so they don't have their helmet hit and it looks I mean like it's even more brutal. It's not a defense at all because it was nasty.
You also get the quarterbacks with Welsh nowadays who do the fake stuff, like Mahomes is one of those guys too, Like you'll he'll start to fake us a lot and then run another five. You're like, that's the stuff too, that now.
He's gotten too.
Well, that's the problem. But you can't stop that because that's gamesman ship, that's football. Like you you can't like, then.
You're gonna get yours frocked, is what I say.
Like, Well, somebody that somebody needs to blow up Patrick Mahomes on that fake nonsense.
You do it once.
I'll get the redord' the to have a congressional meeting because Patrick Mahomes got hit and everybody they'll get, They'll get senators gas because Patrick Mahomes got hit.
Trevor Lack Okay, Black Friday game, But did you watch Black Friday game or you were out shopping at the Walmart? Were you watching at the end of the Chiefs game? Absolutely absolutely what you're watching?
Or yeah, no, I watched the game. I gotta be honest with you, I don't remember, like if I watch the entire game, but I was watching.
All you need to know is the end.
The end is what we need to you know, talk about there. Did you have a problem with the last call that did you think it was nonsense? And it was?
What was the last I'm just not remembering the Well, they called it a legal procedure instead of a false start ball start would have given them the ball.
Again, it was a live ball foul and the Chiefs didn't get them. I don't think I was the Raiders didn't get the ball back.
Raiders.
Yeah, I was shrining. I was just like people McCaffrey. I had a you know, just trying to get all the demons away and it didn't work. So that's what I was busy doing.
All right, let's get to the three one one Before we do, we'll explain that for people watching us over on YouTube for the first time. Let's go to Father Man, our friend I believe down.
Yeah, Father Man was at He was in college station at the games, sitting in the aggie student section. Was that you I saw Father Man with the horns up well while all those weirdos were doing their danced.
You know it?
Come on, Father Rans thereout playing any flags anywhere. I hope Father ran because that that gets you in trouble.
Oh no, no, I stayed the dance, dude, but I definitely stuck out sitting in the A and M student section. But I don't it, don't it don't matter, dude, horns baby.
That's right.
So how was your holiday weekend of football? My friend Father how's it going?
It was great?
Other than other than dude, Josh Allen sucks?
Why get you? Is that? What happened? Did Josh Allen put up?
What did he not for you?
Or what did he not cover for you? What did they? Two?
Did my two main money leagues? Dude, I was playing against.
Him in both of them.
Dude, man new m v P.
But though on the good part about that, on both those leagues, I had Jordan Mason sash back on my beach because Joey show me to so.
It's two for two. I love this show, love it baby, Let's go hey.
And this is with that his head grew three sizes bigger than it actually was.
Which is saying something because it's already enormous. But look, this is why you hang out with us at Fantasy bars, is why you subscribe, This is why you're with us, because again, I think that's the gamesman ship, and I think there's a difference where we have a lot of great analysts here. And the one thing that I always like to talk about too, is that there's also that
gamesmanship of fantasy football. They don't think gets talked about enough, And it's these little things like that where it's Sunday morning, you're looking at the slate, you're looking at the weather, you're looking at your roster, and you go, I got this jabbroni at the bottom of my roster. Why don't just drop him? And somebody dropped Jordan Mason. Let me add him just in case. And the two times you need to do that was week one where we talked about it on the show, and then yesterday where we
talked about it on the show. And if you're watching those shows, you saved yourself a lot of fab and who knows, you maybe even won yourself a league at the end of the day because he immediately becomes what a low end RB one, well you would assume in this offense with Frendo getting work.
Yeah, top fifteen. I mean, we'll see if Grenda it's a little bit more. But they rolled Mason out. I mean, Mason has a legit shot. Just think about this and how like far back he's been any of a couple bad weeks, he could get over a thousand yards. This season he still is like seven hundred and sixty or eighty or maybe right at eight hundred. He's gonna rush for a thousand yards this year after missing all of that time with McCaffrey back all that.
Speaking of a thousand yards, what is Mike Evans at now, Joey remember a couple weeks ago. Oh, he's never gonna get to this thousand yard marker?
Where is he at now? Because I don't know, I actually don't know.
He has to average just under one hundred yards the last couple of games to hit his thousand yards.
I'm trying to be a jerk. I don't want Mike Evans not to get that number. I just thought it was going to be pretty hard to do.
I mean, he's an aggie, so I don't care if he gets it or not. But I do think he will get it.
So here's my favorite stat. And I threw this at the Voice the Waiver Wire show on Monday. It was so Nick Westberg, a Kenya has eight touchdowns now right, which is obviously obsurd. It's like twenty of his sketches or touchdowns this ye. He is actually tied for third for the most receiving touchdowns in the NFL. Can you name who's ahead of him? We played this little game, can you guys name him? Now? People were listening to
a Monday Show tied with nine. Somebody else, Jamar Chase is number one with thirteen.
That's it is that?
So there's another So Terry McLaurin also has nine. He's tied with Alma Oh okay, and you've got the guy that did not get a football at all yesterday, George Kittle tied with Nick Westbrook Ane. So there you go that. I mean, that kind of tells you where things are at with the wide receiver touchdowns and Mike Evans, whom is time. He's at seven along with Marvin Harrison Junior, who's been a massive disappointment, yet he has seven touchdowns, of which he's also now like tied for fourth or
whatever in the league with touchdowns. So I mean, it's been a weird.
Year from Mike Evans has played nine games and has seven scores.
Yes, but he's Mike Evans. He's a Hall of Famer three to one one. Every week we find a three hundred or we try to predict a three hundred yard passer, one hundred yard rusher, and a hundred yard receiver. So far on the year, Welsh's kicking our rear ends. He has got fifteen points. I am at nine, Bogman's at seven. Here every time I get one right, you get a point. So Welsh, it's here, the big daddy on the board.
Where are you going for this coming week? Here? For week fourteen with her three to one one?
That did sound gross, Like how about Joseph Bogman's face kind of said it out.
I was like, man, what the big daddy on the ball'll.
Call me daddy? Don't call me dadd. There's a podcast that wants to be called daddy.
It's not me.
Last week, nope, I have Welsh.
That's not what I heard about you.
Hey, I had justin Herbert, Joe Mixon, justin Jefferson last week for my three hundred, one hundred, one hundred absolutely nailed. Mixon did not get the other two. So for this week, I'm gonna go with Joe Burrow Joe Burio versus the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas Cowboys offense has been a little stanky, giving up a lot more passing yards over the last really on the season, but over the last month they have and Joe Burrow is going to be slanging it. I'm gonna pair him. I'm just gonna jump over to
it with Jamar Chase just eating up Dallas. So I like Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow and then my one hundred yard rusher Alvin Kamara. Alvin Kamara will get nothing short of seventy four touches per game moving forward. Taysom Hill is probably gonna be gone. Deepak Chona mentioned it on the Recap show. They have nobody else. They're gonna throw it to him thirty four times, and they're gonna
run it seventy six times every single game. And this is a good matchup just against the Giants as well, so I think he's gonna easily.
The Giants just lost extra Lawrence for the years.
Yeah, it's an easy Touchdore. We also have two fun parts to this game for everybody is a you can take all of these and you can put it in a parlay and it'll come up with some absurd number or as one week, this would have hit. Pare it down. If you pare it down to like two eighty eighty eighty, then if you like some of these hits, you can try to hit in a big parlay. I had one week where I was five yards short of Stafford of hitting all three. So if you want a betting angle.
You can pare it down just a little bit, or you can put them all together and you can promote to us if one hits and that you bet it and it'll be so much fun. But yes, fifteen point lead, got I need like two more good weeks, and I think I'm gonna be able to hold you guys off if I can.
At least get point lead. You got a six point lead on me. Let's not go crazy here.
I know, I'm just That's why I said two more weeks. I think if I get to week fifteen and you guys haven't closely gap, but I think I'm.
Okay, we'll see what happens. I've got the last week, the one when I hit was Kamara with my rushing one. I've got Saque this week for the rushing one. Give me Jamar Chase uh for against the Dallas Cowboys. Boy, the NFL was really excited about that game, going into the right Bengals Cowboys Monday Night Football. That's also the Simpsons one too, right, they're doing like the cartoon thing or whatever the heck they're doing. I think on that game,
I'm pretty sure I gotta check. Yeah, I don't know.
All these Nickelodeons and Simpsons and.
All kinds of stuff. It's gonna be a thing.
I'm going with get slimed by the way, Joe want that ball ahead, just gets slimed. That would be great. Let's do it. Fantasy pros Nickelodeon episode SpongeBob just.
Shows and Jordan Love is my last one there, So love Chase and Sake one bogs over the three one one week fourteen.
I love Joe just talks right over here. I don't want to get slid Let's not out there for me. Look, I'm bringing up the rear here, so uh I need I need to hit all three so that I can get that bonus point. Because if you hit all three, which none of us has done, I mean that that five yards at wel schmiss buy is going to be his back. In eighty three, I could have thrown a football quarter mile, but uh, for me, I've got Kirk Cousins in the revenge game against the Vikings.
So yeah, a Cousin's revenge game. Hopefully he throws the ball to his own players in that way.
Yeah, that would be nice.
I tell you what, when when it goes bad for cousins with him, you know, coming off the Achilles and everything, it goes bad. But I think it's going to go right against the Vikings. I think he's gonna smoke him. I'm gonna put Saquon in there against Carolina, and then, just because I have to keep this rolling, let's go Mike Evans against the Raiders to put up a big old chunk of that. Currently, he is sitting at five hundred and twenty one yards, so it needs to get
on his horse here. But it's a little bit under one hundred each game, and he could put up like one fifty or so against the Raiders because their secondary sucks a m O'Connell's quarterback right now. They only blow up against the Chiefs. Ever, So let's get those yards for Mike Evans.
We're getting a little short on time, so I'll run through the touchdown calls to Bogman at the top of the board with eight. I am at six, Welsh is at six, so the gap is tightening there, Bogman, Since again you're the daddy of the touchdown calls, can I call you daddy on this?
No?
No, no, okay, I don't know. They're a big daddy of the touchdown call, Scott Bogman, who are you going with this week?
Hey, they're big.
Fellows, all right, the coattails of Welsh And I'll say Kamara against the Giants. I just think Dexter Lawrence is not only the best piece but also the heart of that defense. It's going to be a long slog to the end.
Of the year for Giants fans. So all the Jean Kamara two.
Yes, I think Kamara puts up a huge game and at least one touchdown.
There's your streaming tight end for week fourteen.
All that you want?
Johnson? All right, how about you? Welshere? Are you calling your touchdowns?
And we talked about John Jinson on Johnson on the recap. I'm gonna go with Jordan Mason. I'm not going to go with Kamara. The Bears have given up, i believe, the second most rushing touchdowns over the last month. It's a tougher defense, but they are gonna lean on Jordan Mason. So this means is Isaac Grindo, ak Eddie Guerrero is gonna score a touchdown hundred percent. But I'm gonna go with Jordan Mason.
All right, Well, Last week I went with Josh Allen t ching that work. This week, I'm going with Sakwan. So here we go. Let's lock it up there, let's do a little what's trending. Obviously over the holiday, one of the big films was the Wicked movie. I got to stay at home. All the ladies went to see Wicked. Little Girls' Days. If I stayed home and watch football and just kind of hung out of those beautiful It's
a nice thing. But I was gonna ask this question of you guys, is there a player or two or team that you would like to see a musical made out of from the twenty twenty four season. As we've watched things unfold here, I know there's like the Saquon Barkley, you know, revenge narrative on the you know.
Finally, do you not pick Aaron Rodgers for this?
I didn't pick anyone. I want you to pick somebody, and I'm I'm also.
Saying, how does anybody not pick Aaron Rodgers. I'll give you a hand to Aaron Rodgers.
No, I'll give you the answer. The San Francisco forty nine ers lies, lies, lies, he will be healthy, lies, He'll play this week.
Lies lies disappointed?
What what would the Aaron Rodgers music will be called bogged, don't show up to camp. I think I was gonna say, it's your fault, that's immunity, it's your fault and Aaron Rodgers music, all right, a little bit of buzz here to Baker Mayfield is a sore leg. But guess what.
You know what it's called. I got it, Joe, It's called no Shot.
The story of the New York Jets that was in Hamilton. I'm pretty sure it. The Jets have no shot. The Jets never gonna have a shot.
You know.
It's it's it's very sad, yet not not to meet at all, very very enjoyable Baker Mayfield. I continue to want to pound the table for him as MVP, because if anybody else deserves consideration, it's him.
He is.
He has absolutely carried this team on his back. They've had injuries, they've had games where they're outmatched, out out, you know, out manned in terms of talent, and yet they still go out there and and they just they stay competitive. And I mean it's not he's not gonna win, But Baker Mayfield deserves a little bit more credit. This year. The Taysom Hill injury. Obviously he's gonna miss the remainder of the season. That came through not that long ago.
So again, Welsh, have you ever seen a team just get so obliterated by injuries like the Saints have on offense over the last six weeks. I mean it's absurd almost. They've lost their two starting wide receivers.
Yeah, at one point they.
Lost their quarterback. No, but that's not true. That's not true because at one point they had lost two wide receivers, their quarterback, and now they've lost Taysom Hill for the rest of the year.
Two So what was the year?
Remember when Baker had to go play for the Rams or when he had to go play for the Rams?
Was insane?
Yeah, that was another tough one.
How they were, by the way, Just to point it like, they were like eighty something points in the first two weeks and they just fall apart, by the way. I just want to come back to something you said in the previous show, do for the YouTube audience really truly do believe the NFL needs to implement some intercontinental type of champion so we have more than just MVPs.
Yes, we talked about that last year because I.
Think Baker would be whatever this this other belt, you know, it's not quite like championship whatever that is, that would be what.
Baker's the Marty Janetti of the Intercontinental Champion.
He's the he's the NFL Intercontinental Champion. We are titling him that.
No, he's on the margin, Eddie. He's more of the you know, he's the worker title guy. You know, he's the guy out there, you know, putting butts in the seats. Uh. The Panthers, I want to talk about them real quick because they're giving everybody fits bogs. What's going on there, Carolina all of a sudden, like are they good?
Canalysys fixed? Bryce Young?
I think is what's going on right now because we're seeing Alabama Bryce Young, not you know, last year's Panthers version of Bryce Young.
He is looking good. He's playing with confidence.
And you know, I was, uh, I was listening to another podcast last night after the games, and they were talking about how Andy Dalton stood in there and take hit, took hits and he's kind of showing Bryce Young how to do that, how to get the ball out late, take the hit and you know, keep this offense moving and not kind of try to dodge out of the way and throw it away like he was doing before. So I think we're just seeing a much more confident Bryce Young, and that's been working for the vision.
I'm mentioning that entire conversation playing out like dodgeball, where just throwing a wrench like Andy Dalton's just throwing wrenches at people. The three D you got dipive duck.
I don't think he physically taught him.
I thought I think Bryce Young watched Andy Dalton and said, Okay, I gotta hang in.
Yeah hands clearly the offensive coordinator for the Panthers. That's clear what's going on here.
If you can ad direct, you can talk about that's I like.
It because it's sterile.
That's a game.
I like it.
All right. So you got some touchdown college, you got to three one one, you got a bet between Welsh and myself. So now I'll be very highly invested in that forty nine er Bears game. They're way more than I wanted to be. And of course don't forget to subscribe to the channel. And also we talked a little betting on the show today too. Make sure you go
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Real quick. Before we go, Bog's hot take. Who wins the NCAA College Football Championship this year? Who's the best team in college football?
Texas? Why do you ask me that question? Text?
I want to after rivalry week and stuff. I want to see where you were at.
Texas has a chance to beat the only team that beat them this week against Georgia. So yeah, I think Texas is playing the best, specifically on defense.
Not going to be Ohio State.
Definitely not gonna be Ohio State.
No, it's not, it's not indeed, all right, that'll do it for us, but the story of the game goes on for Bogwin and Welsh. I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time. Kids.
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