¶ Family Connections and Spiritual Growth
Hello and welcome back to another episode of Essential Mental Healing , where we hope that you guys are enjoying our podcast . Joining me today is the most lovely human in the world , my mother , janet Hale , who continues to grow and feed and nurture me in a way that is very healthy , and I am super grateful , as we shoot this podcast on Easter weekend .
So , yes , how are you doing today , mother ? And so , yes , how are you doing today ?
Mother , I'm doing good . That was real touching . Thank you so much for saying those wonderful , kind words , and with all the sincerity in your heart , I really do appreciate that .
I just appreciate God , the universe , for having you as my daughter . Thank you , you're going to start off emotional , huh .
Well , you kind of set the stage .
You know how your mom is , oh my goodness . Well , I am very grateful to be able to share this space with you today . It's you and I . We are giving you guys the best of the podcast . We need to just give you guys us and our perspectives and what we have going on , and we have a treat for you all . Today , at least it's a .
You know , okay , every topic is a treat . So when I say we have a treat for you all , it may not be a treat for you , it may just be another topic , but it feels like a treat to me , it feels like a treat . So , how are you ? How was your week , your last two weeks , how's it been ?
My last two weeks have been good . It's been a time of growth , and you and I've talked about that , about growth and comfort cannot live in the same space , and that is , oh God . I find that to be such a true statement .
Michael gave us that the last podcast .
Yes , he did , and so it helped me to kind of realign myself in different areas and not run away from things , instead run towards them so that I can continue to grow . So my last couple of weeks have been pretty good . They've been good . I've been doing some things around the house that needed doing .
I won't share all that with the podcast , but , trust me , we needed help and so I've been able to do that , and doing that helped me .
And I'm going to say this I don't know where everybody stands with this , but in the cleaning up and I'm continuing to do that is while I was cleaning it was also a soulful experience because there were certain things I was throwing away that reminded me of something , certain things I was throwing away that reminded me of something .
So the things that we have , there is an attachment , but sometimes there's a time , you know , sometimes we got to let it go , you know , and being able to let that go and figure out what am I holding on to this about just all the things and I know I'm talking about cleaning the house but it was a spiritual experience for me and it continues to be so .
Changing my eating , as you know , going back to being a vegan , has been awesome for me . It's just a period in my life and I know I'm not religious and this is Good Friday or yesterday was Good Friday . You brought that up and you mentioned the resurrection and I was like I think that happens every day .
But then I'm thinking about it now and how , for me , right now , this is a part of the resurrection . Say the word Resurrection Resurrection for me , spiritually , emotionally , in my relationships and all the things that are happening for me right now .
I see the beauty in it and one of the things that I'm saying that I've heard a lot either things come to your life as a lesson or a blessing .
And I say A reason , a season or a lifetime .
And I say it's all a blessing , you know , because the lesson part . You know , whether you like them or not , that's how I take that Like oh , you like them . Maybe they was for less . No , it's all a blessing , and so that's the thing that I got out of that . That was a long way of telling you how I'm doing . Yeah .
You know it was . It's good how I'm doing . Yeah , no , it's good . It's good , though , especially as we are coming off of Easter Sunday when this podcast airs .
So I think you , speaking of the resurrection and just to clarify everybody , that conversation we had yesterday , we were talking about the celebration from Good Friday to Easter Sunday and how we celebrate his resurrection , but mom was saying that the resurrection happens every day , and I think I went ahead and said I don't even know that there's a resurrection every
day , because he's already risen , like every it's . There's no need to resurrect every day . But that is something I think that we have to do in our own souls every day , because we are not God , we are not Jesus , so it takes a renewing every day , a decision . We talk about our mental and how that aligns with us moving forward .
So , yeah , that long way was a great way of saying how you are doing . I've been well as well . I've been good as well , lots going on , and I think we've mentioned Liberated Grounds here on the podcast before Community of Liberation , and if you follow the podcast or follow me , you've seen that before , so go check it out liberatedgroundscom .
But we have the Common Unity Conference coming up and continuing to dig deeper into what liberation looks like and I know we've had a podcast about liberation before . So practicing those habits , practicing eating , well like . For me it's a slower transition , but I am making more steps towards it .
So one of the meals I had I had to put it on repeat because it was good . It was the peppers . I had red and orange peppers with onions , oyster mushrooms and had it over white rice . The second time , when I put it on repeat , I added some string beans into it . So the string bean juice added to the rice and voila , it was delicious .
So you know having more meals that are nourishing to my body , because then I had pizza last night . I absolutely had pizza . So you know there's no perfection to this's , just incorporations , and I actually got some more . We had dragon fruit . So incorporating different fruits , which guys , let me tell you .
Give you a quick warning tmi , if you're doing dragon fruit , be prepared to release your insides at the bathroom at some soon point because it gets you going I wanted to say something about that and I think , when we talk , when we start looking at different ways to heal our bodies , to cure our bodies , if we go and you know , I'm not all the way there , I'm
working towards it but I think if we nature , um , that provides all the source that we need .
Yeah .
I think we'll go to the doctor . You know , not at all , but very little .
Yeah .
Um , because and this is Janice thing , so , and that you know don't want it's such a motivation to get sued . So I just think that , well , one of the things for me , cause you know , I'm , I'm , I'm a chunky lady , chunky sexy thing , you know that's me . And I had a high blood pressure and whatever . And I started this journey and I shared with Candace .
I was like , well , I gotta tell her and I no longer have to take the medication , and Candace has been through many health journeys and one was the oxygen and I was on oxygen and
¶ Nothing New Under the Sun
I weaned myself off . I went to the doctor two years later or something , and they were like oh , that oxygen is really working well for you with my numbers . And I said I'm going to use that thing in two years . And Candace said something one time it was on the podcast . She's like Ma , did you get yourself off that oxygen or did the doctors do it ?
I said no , I did . She's like I knew it . But it's really about paying attention to our body and this is , for me , paying attention to my body . I'll put it that way Everybody has their own journey and I'm not going to get into that .
I'm just going to share my journey and understanding that what I put in this body determines how this body is going to be . I remember one time going to the doctor and he was like , oh , you're a diabetic . I said no , I'm not . He said yes , you are , and I said no , I am not .
I said listen , I know how much junk is garbage I've been feeding my body . When I come back , you will not be saying that , okay , so I go back . Oh , janet , you were right , because I understand . You know , I understand what I'm doing to my body . I drink too much . I understood what I was doing to it . I eat the wrong things .
I understood what I was doing to it when I eat the wrong things . I know what I'm doing to it . So when I used to smoke cigarettes , I knew what I was doing to it . So why not take that same knowing and do the right thing for this body that has been long to me , for however long it's dear ?
I'm here , but let me take care of it and let me cherish it , even though I wait until I'm 60 . That's okay . That's not true , actually . That's not true at all .
That's true , You're right . You're right , you know . But saying that actually ties into . I want to give them the topic , which is nothing new under the sun . There is nothing new under the sun . So when you say new under the sun , there is nothing new under the sun . So when you say I've been , I waited till I was 60 , that is so not true .
You did veganism before . Well , did you do veganism ?
before . Okay , let me say this . So I go into the health food store and I'm like whoa , things have really changed . You know , since I've been in these streets and I had them cracking up , I said when I was a vegan 30 years ago , this wasn't happening . So I agree with you . Yeah , this is not my . Yeah , you're right , because I was a vegan before .
I was a vegetarian before I was an alcoholic , I was a practicing alcoholic , I was an active smoker .
So , yeah , you're right , I actually as we talk about this subject . Not only is it something that you notice , but it is written in the Bible . One nine . History merely repeats itself . It has all been done before . Nothing under the sun is truly new .
Okay , audience , I'm the one that came up with that and almost the same exact words came out of my mouth . I cannot believe .
Oh , because , oh man , I thought about it and her and I are watching the Good Doctor Okay , it's reruns because it's not on TV and I'm watching it and I'm really into it , and so I love Grey's Anatomy House and then the Good Doctor you did House , oh , yes , oh , okay , yeah , I earned my MD when it came to me , but anyway .
So I was watching and I said the premise is the same on all these shows . You look pretty . Thank you , baby . They start off with a crisis . It's a crash cart , cold blue , the same thing , right . And I'm like what is it about these stories that draw me in ? And I realized , like Candace just said , nothing new is under the sun .
These shows are pretty much the same , but what makes them uniquely different are the relationships that are built while I'm watching them . What brings me in and in life ? What brings me in is my connection to other people . Who do I connect with ? Who loves me ? Who do I love ? It could be a stranger . Candice grew real good with the strangers .
She loved all the strangers and I love the two , I just don't see as many . And the animals Say it again . And the animals , oh , she's really got a thing with these animals . I think they're talking back and forth , but it's really about relationships and different things of that nature .
And so , because nothing new is under the sun and and and that , um , being in bad relationships is that new ? No , I remember being in a one of my marriages , cause I've had two and um , and I remember like , oh , I'm having the kind of relationship my mother had , except my TV is colored .
Oh , I remember .
I get that . That's deep , and so those are the things , those are the moments where I go . What I'm going through is not unique . It's happened to many way before me . What do I do with my story ? What do I do with this gift that's been given to me ?
And one of the things I think about is how people come into our lives and different situations come to teach us a lesson . What is my lesson ? And actually I'm going to say this to your audience Sometimes my best lessons come from the most chaotic , painful situations , where I get it like oh , I was supposed to get that lesson 30 years ago .
Mm-hmm , oh , this is what you were trying to get me at . Oh , dang , I sure went the long way around that one . I'm glad to have arrived . So , yes , so that's my take on the TV show our lives , nothing being new . It's all in how we react to it .
It's all even with I mentioned the relationships and my parents looking , even looking at that like , what can I do different ? My story doesn't have to be the same and I say the only difference is the color TV . My story can be .
No , I'm not going to play this out the way mama did , because there are other ways to do it , and when we know better , we do better .
Yep . Ecclesiastes 3.15 . Every time I open my mouth , you got to ask against me . One more , one more I just want to go back to , for you know , everybody knows where I am spiritually , and so I like to back it up a little bit . You know , you know , pastor Mike Todd is my pastor . Right Transformation .
Nation .
And he always tells us stories and gives examples and just give us a little backing with the word you know .
So I just feel like I should go ahead and give a little backing with the word which says what is happening now has happened before and what will happen in the future has happened before , because God makes the same things happen over and over again , which is why I think the lessons , that the lessons that we learn and how we're able to progress and move forward
, is because we're able to build upon what has happened and say , ah , course , correction , ah , change it up a little bit . And , of course , what you change it up to is something that will happen in the future , because it will be done .
You would have and you can I believe , now that I'm saying this , actually you can create something new that has to be redone .
I agree .
So your new will then become the status quo , for it's been done before , even though you've built off of something that has been done before .
So it's going through something that has been done before is a blessing , actually , because it gives you an opportunity to transform yourself , to transform the generations , to come to rewrite history , because if you're rewriting it , you have to know what it was before . Right .
And I think that being mentally aware that the outcomes can be different because we take different paths and we talked about I don't know if we talked about this on the podcast or not but gut health is your gut healthy and what that looks like ?
And with a healthy gut and when I say healthy gut , guys , I'm not just literally talking about your intestines yes , physically , what that looks like Are you putting in the right things in your food ? But , trusting your intuition and trusting your gut , are you feeding your mental positive things or things that are healthy ?
Because everything doesn't have to be positive , because some negativity you can take to learn from , to transform it into something bigger , greater . So when I say , what are you feeding your gut ? Are you feeding your gut something for the greater good ? Because even a utilitarian can . Who is the . What's the definition of a utilitarian ? They want the greater good .
I think they do Tony Chicken or something .
No , no , no , no no .
Oh , okay .
¶ Trauma Responses and Healthy Relationships
It's an ethical theory , theory that suggests the morally right action is the one that produces the greatest overall happiness or well-being for the greatest number of people . It's a consequentialist approach , meaning it judges actions based on their outcomes rather than on inherent rules or duties .
So a utilitarian may break the rules because they know that the for the greater good of the people or the outcome you gotta , you gotta shake some things up .
Actually , I think a lot of great leaders are utilitarians , cause , if we think about Martin make doing some things that the law didn't like because it was against what they had put the foundation of , however , the greater good was for all people to be equal . So he had to make some decisions based on what the greater good would look like .
I think politics have to do that a lot . Politicians have to do that a lot because they have to choose what the greater well .
They're supposed to choose what the greatest good would be for the sector that they're serving in , whether it's the city , the state sector that they're serving in , whether it's the city , the state , the country , whatever it is that they are over , the outcome is supposed to be for the greater good of the most people that they can find the greater good , for that
doesn't always happen , but it is what I believe is supposed to happen . I can't wait till the world can get to that place , because right now , we still have mindsets in office that think one way and may not be as open to what's going on . So what is your take ? I saw you writing some things down and looks like your mind was jogging .
Go ahead and give me what you got the gut health , and I remember being a part of a conversation with you and someone else talking about . We're talking about following our gut and the question was asked but is it a healthy gut ? And so when I listened to you talk about trusting our gut , I thought about this .
Some of us act out of a trauma response , so what may be something in our gut , I get that . However , we may amplify something that's not as big , but because there's trauma behind it that we have not resolved , then the way we respond may not be equivalent to what's going on . It may not equal out the other thing .
When you were talking about , you know , politicians and people having to shake things up not his name , but it was a politician . He made this and I keep this one to be in good trouble . When you talked about Martin Luther King and we talked about some of the politicians or some of those who move , some move the needle .
Yeah , malcolm X moved the needle because just because something like yeah , just because something's legal , doesn't mean it's right , and so sometimes we have to go again , like you know what , and I remember being on certain jobs I was like , okay , that policy , because I'm not comfortable in my soul with this particular act , that we're told that's okay .
And I'm not feeling that it is okay because I'm part of a certain community and there is a certain way that we communicate and it may be offensive to some people and they may not understand it , and then we're punished for it . Well , listen , this is who we are , or this is who I am . I can't speak for everybody . This is who I am .
I come up from a particular space , a community , and we learned how to love each other , and the way we love each other may not look like the way you do . It may not . So when you were talking , I was like trauma response , trauma response , trauma response . Because I know for me , I have lived out of that trauma response .
So for me that means that the gut wasn't healthy . And I'll say this it's not always healthy . Now I have to do a self-check . Or even if I watch something , I can have a trauma response off of a sentence . I'm saying something , I look up , I'm caught up . Whoa , why am I caught up ? And I learned to sit in it and not run from it anymore .
And what does that mean for me ? I even look at me as it relates to relationships , okay , tmi , and I'm like , oh , they keep ending up . You kept saying I was friend-zoning everybody . That's true , but I thought about this . I said , you know , when I'm looking at this , the common denominator is Janet .
And so let's start looking at that piece , because it's kind of easy to go into everybody , everybody , everybody . Well , guess what ? What did I do to attract that ? What was it about me that thought that that was okay ? You know why did I allow A , b and C the first time ? Because healthy people be like oh , I'm cutting you off right now .
I'm not waiting five years to get into this . Yeah , I'm done , I'm done .
Oh , no , that goes back to our Red Flags podcast , which I think is one of the most impactful conversations that we had .
That changed my mindset on relationships and personal boundaries and making decisions and seeing things for what they are , and that because that also played into a people-pleasing sector fact for me when I think about that sector fact for me , when I think about that episode that we talked about , but it made me make some major decisions in my life .
So I think , as we continue to have the conversations , we continue to expose and that's also one of the things I love about doing the podcast with you is that we get to have these conversations to grow , and I was sharing with someone that I feel like I'm very fortunate to have a mother who wants to continue to mother , to parent me , to grow with me and
say , okay , well , she's in her thirties , what was I doing in my thirties ? What did I need in my thirties ? What does she need in her thirties ?
Because I'm still here , therefore , I'm never not her mother , no matter how old she gets , and there is nothing new under the sun on what's going on so , even to be able to help me navigate certain things and you were talking about trauma , trauma responses , and we're talking about gut health and as we continue to work on our gut health and we continue to work
on our trauma responses , we find ways to transform for our children . You and I were talking about . Kamari was over yesterday and you're like , she's growing and every human grows . Every human's life needs to change at some point for their needs and we're watching that happen .
I'm watching what you've watched several times with two children and now a grandchild and , of course , any younger generations that you've witnessed , but hands on watching and even probably being able to self-reflect and go , ah , when my son was this age , ah , when Candace was this age , ah , looking at Kamari , and each time that you've done it , you were in a
different position in your life , you know , and even saying being able to relate to how your mom got to look at us because we were her grandchildren , you know , and watching us to define my relationship with my granddaughter . How do I not feel guilty about certain things ? How do I accept what is and what will the story look like moving forward ?
It's nothing new under the sun , but how we respond to what has happened could be new . I like that y'all A little better .
¶ Grandparenting and Honoring Life Stages
Up the fingers . Yes , so you mentioned Kamari and her being here yesterday , so she was with me for most of the day , and then her mom , candace and my grandniece came by and it was a beautiful . I was just like okay , candace , now I get excited anytime they come over . Oh it's like Christmas day , but I had Kamari was here with me and she's nine now .
You guys , I think when we started she was what five .
I think so yeah .
Yeah . And so she's nine and there's so much , so many changes that have taken place in those five years with her and with me and with Candace . And so she's here yesterday and I'm like , well , I feel like we need to do something . You know , we need to have a purpose , we need intention . You know , I'm going through all those things .
That girl over there , nine years old , like look , she didn't say these words , but I'm over here living my nine-year-old life , mother , mama , you go and do your mother life because I'm here . And so , understanding that sometimes just to be present and they know we're present is enough , being in the space is enough . We don't need time for performance .
Yeah , for what do I need to do ? So I'm not feeling guilty , because it's not about me in the moment , it's about this nine-year-old beautiful being that is my granddaughter . And so at first I was kind of like , oh , what do I need to ? I didn't do it out loud , but in my head I went through some things .
And then , when I finally just let go , wait a minute , I haven't fallen asleep in that chair , in a minute Kamari came over . I guess it's our routine , I don't know . But I looked up , I had fallen asleep and I woke up , you know , because she used to watch me go . So good , mama , do you think it's time for us to go to bed ?
Well , yes , well , I guess she's tired of me playing that game . You're watching it , like okay and so .
But watching her and seeing her grow and understanding and I said this to Candace about her age that that nine-year-old is the nine-year-old for this time my nine-year-old was a nine-year-old for my time and allow people the space to be who they are in their time and be respectful of it and to honor it .
And the reason why I say honor it , because I'm able to be a part of it .
So why ?
not respect and honor it .
Yeah .
You know . So it's just you know . I know Life is a beautiful thing , even in the struggles of things . It's so beautiful , Even when I'm not feeling okay . I know I'm going to be okay , even in the times that we're living in right now . You guys because I know some of us are like , well , what's going to happen ?
I don't know what's going to happen , but one of the things I'm going to say is and I'm not religious and everybody know that , but I'm going to say this , that whatever's going on right now is preparing us for the greatness that's going to come after , and that's my take .
And that is written too .
Oh , and that is written too .
Oh , okay , it is , and when I find it I will tell you exactly where it's written .
I know . And so that is the thing . And you know , I just look at it , I'm like , okay , you know , I don't get caught up in the panic of it all and sometimes I think , when am I supposed to be panicking ? I'm watching everybody running around fire , fire , fire and I'm like my mortgage is paid , my light gas is paid .
No , I can't do a bunch of extra stuff right now . Right now , right now , because I'm being prepared for greatness . We are all being prepared , in my opinion . But the other side of this , I was Patient and faithful . Go ahead .
I was thinking when you were talking about sitting there in I think you said silence with Kamari . It is an observation period with Kamari , it is an observation period , because during that time that you sit in silence , you get to observe what it is that she likes , what she's doing .
That brings you back to a period where you can get back to the activeness , because now you'll know how to engage , because you have to take the intel to say , okay , things are different , what is she doing , what is she like ? One of the things that I'm doing to incorporate growing with her is listening to her music Watch .
She likes to draw , watching her draw . Trusting the process is what she always tells me . Just trust the process , cause sometimes when she starts , I'll be like what is going on , but I can't say anything because it's what she does , so as I watch it , and then in the end it always turns out so beautiful .
Or watching the shows that she wants to watch , with no judgment , because sometimes I'll be like what is this ?
Well , you watch Bluey .
Bluey is bomb .
I know , but I'm saying we're talking about content .
Bluey is bomb , but I'm saying we're talking about content oh guys , did we tell you she got engaged with Bluey ? I don't know if we told you she came over you you watched Bluey , oh , you know what else . I've been wanting to share this with the audience for a while . I'm switching gears just give me a second , guys .
We'll get right back to observation and what I'm doing but I had shared with the audience . We talked about Revelations and it being one of my favorite books in the Bible . You had asked me some questions and I didn't have the answers .
It was a humbling experience and actually it's something my sister said she listened to and it was one of her favorite parts for me to say I don't know the answer . I am not calling myself a master interpreter or understanding , understander of the Bible .
I am learning the Bible too , guys , and I study it and there are things that I read and I forget or I have to go back .
So I don't know why I felt the need to make that disclaimer , but I am always learning and I'm glad to learn and I'm glad to be able to share the things on this podcast that I'm learning , but there are things that I may mess up .
I just found out I think I don't know if I shared this with you I've been saying information about like yeah , because Saul was then Paul . About like yeah , cause Saul was then Paul . Y'all , I thought that Saul was the Saul from Samuel book of Samuels , who was the first King of Israel , who was then an apostle .
I started doing a timeline and I was like , but how was Saul a disciple , an apostle , if he was here before Jesus and then found out that the Saul they talking about was a Christian ?
Well , he was an anti-Christian , he was preaching it and then became a follower of Jesus because of an encounter Two different Saul's and I'm sure that I told you guys that I thought that that Saul was king of Israel . So I am learning . I thought that was so funny .
When I figured that out , I was reading book of Samuel and I was like , hold on , if Saul died before he was Paul , how'd that happen ? I went and did some research , y'all . So just know that if I have said something incorrectly , it's because I'm still learning .
So thank you all for being on this spiritual journey with me as I learn and grow and continue to get closer . So I just wanted to share that with you guys because I don't know it's good . I want to encourage others to continue to learn and know that nothing is perfect , no one is perfect , and we're all on this journey together .
It's our mental , physical , spiritual journey of growth , of growth , and I'm so excited to be able to share my growth with you all . So don't I'm not saying this as a means of me feeling bad in any way . It is a means of me being able to share the goodness and glory of growing and learning .
So thanks , I just had to put that in there and then I can go back .
Okay , I have a question about that . So you said , your sister said what about the podcast ? When you said you didn't know , what did she say ?
She said , when she got to that part and I had said , oh , I got to look it up , or some information , something you had asked me about and I was sharing , I was trying to go and find it , but I didn't know the answer .
And she was like you know , it's so good to hear you not to , for you to say out loud that you don't know , because I guess , because a lot of times I do know a lot of things and you I don't know if maybe there's been a time or two in life where maybe I've tried to show perfectionism or anything like that but for her to hear me say I don't know ,
¶ Parents, Children and Role Reversals
she just loved it .
I think it shows vulnerability , and but that's something I think you do possess , I do .
And you said the what ? Thing ?
Vulnerability . Oh OK , you possess that and it's okay . I think that for you . I would love to see you breathe more . I would . You are such a go-getter and you do so much and your plate is so full and sometimes when I'm watching and I even made a mention of it yesterday- have you stopped to breathe ? I did and I meant that you know .
I went to Dom's house , which is one of my really good friends and one of Kamari's got mothers and I sat in her bed . We watched this show . It's called Dying for Sex . It's interesting , oh yeah on Netflix .
Right , it's on Hulu . Hulu because she has cancer or something .
Yeah it's real steamy .
She gets really into it . But wait , I got to get past the good doctor , go ahead .
Oh , you see , Anyway . So Kamari went over to her cousin's house for a few hours so that we can and the baby would sleep , so that we can have some adult time . And I got in her bed cause her husband was downstairs watching TV . And I got in her bed and I said it feels so good to be still . I just had , cause she was . I got a pillow .
She was like you could have got more pillows . I was like I just want to sit here because I haven't sat today and this feels so good sitting next to my friend and doing nothing , so I'm going to breathe .
I said all of that , so I just , you know , I want you to know , I did take a moment yesterday to breathe and sit still and enjoy myself , so yes , it was at the end of the day , but it did happen . We spent about two hours together , yeah .
That's great .
Um , we were okay , I cut you off , I believe , but we were also talking about observation time and knowing what to do , knowing how to be there , for well , at the time , we're talking about Kamari and you seeing , and I'm so grateful that she has her time with you .
I'm grateful that she enjoys her time with you , even if you say it's boring and all of that . It's one of less than five places that she wants to be at and doesn't mind being left there alone without me , because one of my . I have a great community .
However , my daughter is only comfortable in certain spaces and places with certain people to be left alone , for someone to care for her . So she's very selective and I'm just very grateful that you are one of those selective people who she enjoys to be with and wants to be with .
I feel fortunate and blessed and all those good things that she wants to and that you want to .
Yeah , because there are many relationships with parents and their children and they , you know they're strained , and I think a lot of times that parents don't learn how to pivot , how to change , how to go with the flow , how to be a part of the child's life and be a silent partner .
Be a silent partner Sometimes all they want and I'm speaking to you , but anyway , well , with my mom , okay , sometimes it's just knowing that they're there . Well , my mother was alive and my mother was something else , you guys , but I used to call her every single day .
My mother was like I was grown married , took care , all the things , and I remember one time calling her and I said , mama , I'm just calling . I called her more than one time . She said , janet , can I eat ? I was like , yeah , but call me back . Well , you know , I wasn't even offended saying that , like , okay , you know you got to squeeze me in now .
You know what I mean . Right , right , right , breaking that up . Now you go ahead and eat , I'll give you that . And so , for me , those are the things that I remember , and I'm going to say this too , because you mentioned grandma Connie with you and Brandon , and the thing about here's a lesson .
Because one thing about my mother she was perfectly imperfect , perfectly imperfect , and so she was genuine about who she was . Either you accepted her or you didn't . A lot of times they did with all her stuff , and so that's a lesson for me . We talk about nothing new under the sun .
I have to get comfortable in that , because I reacted with the trauma response Okay , well , things that work out with mom and them . So I need to go to college , I need to do this , I need to do that , I need to da da , da , da , da da . Those things are good . But what I sometimes forgot to do was take Janet along on that trip .
I had to go back and get her because it was a do , do , do , do , do type of situation and not a be , be , be , be , be , a being . And that's the lesson that I've learned when it comes to parenting and the relationships with our children as they grow , all those things that come with it . And my mother was man . I wish y'all could have met her .
She could have been nice on this podcast . She was , so think about things You'd be like well , dog , mama , she would say it and keep it moving . One thing I'm going to say is I know we have to go . One of the things mama did was this I had a friend and things got a little weird and then I told her about it and then I made up with him .
So my mother said , oh , you made up with her . I said yeah , she's okay . She said , no , my mother died , still mad at her . And guess what ? She was correct , because my mother was blunt , she was , she didn't give a . She now see , I care a little bit about what you think she didn't . She stayed and be gone about her business , and you know what ?
I'm grateful for that , because a lot of things she said prior to leaving this world came true after she died .
It seemed like in the first year all this stuff she said prior to leaving this world came true . After she died , it seemed like in the first year all this stuff she said came true . You said that about um dad too , and someone you worked with prior and after he died .
It came , it came out to be what he said it would be yes , yeah , recently , after he died , with who ? Uh , daddy or the ?
the situation happened .
Oh , yeah , yeah , after he died oh okay , so I'm gonna tell it , so I you know I would come home for it . That was me right then .
This was with her dad and it was years , years ago and guys just I'm gonna give you a disclaimer that mom is not drinking coffee , but changing her eating habits oh , I have more , have more energy . More energy . So you know there's no reeling in at this point , just so you know . But we're still on topic .
So we're good , Okay , okay , okay . So when Charles was alive , my husband , second husband , Candace's dad , I would come up to work and I'm like so-and-so getting , oh my God . He said oh , Janice , don't worry , he's going to get here . I said , no , never , he's never going to happen . I don't know I'm just going losing it right .
And it went on for years and we got divorced and then he passed Guess what . What he said came so true in such a way that I wish I could wake him up and say you were right , you were so right . So , yeah , it's just interesting to be .
You talked about being an observer , just observe and watch and take it all in , like I'm looking at the window and everybody's grass is so beautiful and green and guess what ? it doesn't even matter that it's cut or not , isn't that interesting ? What matters is that it's so green . Those old-fashioned things , you know .
I remember watching I don't know if we must have both watched the movie at separate times , but something happened and in that movie the lady was like my grass isn't green , I want green grass , I want green grass . And you know the symbolism of that , and it was about her marriage being dead .
But really her grass wasn't green in front of her yard as well , and it was just the whole symbolism of it all . But I wanted to say one more thing , as we talk about nothing new under the sun . Technology is evolving and it feels like it's new under the sun .
But I wanted to say this that even though technology may seem new under the sun , it's the growth that's not new . But y'all , okay , we'll give y'all a little . Do we gotta go ? Uh , I was helping mom with technology yesterday . Um , we were learning how to navigate through chat , gpt . We were learning how to navigate through honor , ai . Uh , we are .
We still have some things to continue to go over . But , man , it is interesting . Take care of your parents , guys . They don't know . They don't know things . They need help . And you know not that I'm saying they need help . I'm imagining how . Oh , wow , okay , thank you , Holy Spirit .
Okay , so our parents take care of us and they raise us and then we become independent and then there's a time period where parent and child are independent individually . And then parents get older in age but grow down some kind of way where they need more help .
And a lot of times when we think about that taking care of our parents we think about them getting old and needing to care for their health , making sure that what they need they're moving slower and things like that , what they need they're moving slower , and things like that .
But when it comes to technology , y'all , it's the same thing as if I had to change my mother's diaper . I ain't got to the point , guys . I said at your last job , did you use pen and paper ? She was like yep , because I'm trying to figure out how she's been making it in this world . Okay , she has been navigating somehow , just getting by .
I'm going to say this the gig is up for me .
What you mean .
Just getting by . Oh , I know , that's why we're going it is because I went to White Castle for my grandbaby , they had an AI taking the drug on order . I was like , hold up , oh , wait a minute , and I'm talking to it and then it goes . Do you want anything else ? I'm like , okay , yes . Then I said it Okay , will that complete your yes ?
I'm like , oh man , ai is happening . Everyone , and especially those that are listening in my age group listen , we have to get on board because- what age group is this ? 60 , 60 and up 55 , 50 . I don't care , but it depends on your life
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. But I know for me , because I'm going to say this . I remember in 2000 , when they had brought the computers on the job or somewhere around that time , and I remember being so upset I said , oh my God , you want us to use this . This is awful . We were going to Wayne State and they had us learning computers and me and my remember Dana Okay .
So Dana and I are like what is this ? They're like computers , you can touch the screen . And we were like , oh my God , you know , we're like tripping . And now I'm like , oh , you know , we're like tripping . And now I'm like , okay , now I'm at another thing with this .
Now it has evolved to the point that I'm I'm going to say this , and this is for Janet I must learn it . If I want to grow Like there's no choice for me , I have to learn it . And so I'm fortunate to have a daughter who saw the need , like , okay , mama's struggling , she's over there , like she's trying to tell me things over the phone .
And then one day she said I think it would work out better in person . I was like I'm glad you finally got it because we're not going to work out like this . But it's good that , candace , that you're open enough to understand that as we get older we will need assistance .
And it's not always changing our diaper when we move in the bedpan and we can use that metaphorically and say you are changing the diaper , but it's a different kind of diaper .
Oh yeah , I meant that . I meant that , okay , you know what ? Listen , yeah , I'm changing these diapers , okay . Yeah , you are Okay , wait she was multitasking all over the place .
Okay , mom , she went out , pull up this and then see if you can do that , and I'm like , okay , she got me out in these streets all alone , okay , and then I was able to navigate to the page or whatever .
but um , so it feels and she got more outer ai minutes than me . I only have 300 she got 1200 .
Yeah , I'm upset about that . I've been running out .
She got these unlimited minutes .
It feel like I gotta figure out what she even did to upgrade my minutes , yeah , but it's good to be able , candice , for you to allow me in your space Because you don't have to . You know what I mean , but you're like , oh , okay , mom .
Wait , I don't have to . No , I'm just kidding . There you go .
But she's not behind . Okay , mama needs help in this area , I , but she's not behind . Okay , mama needs help in this area . I see what she's , you know , kind of having a hard time and also to be able to ask for help , like when you just said to the audience sometimes I don't know , sometimes I don't have the answer , and it's okay .
So I had to come to you and be like I don't know , I need help with this . You know what I mean . But here's the thing about that the comfort level in me asking you was so awesome . I didn't feel embarrassed or ashamed . I was like , look , I need help here . Okay , tell me what this ? And so nothing new under the sun .
And that goes into relationships with our adult children . Children , as we get older , the need changes and it actually flips , like Candace just said , the parent took care of the child and we're equal . Then it turns , it reverses , where the child , the adult child , will need to do more for the parent . So the roles do change .
And for those in my age group 60 and plus or 55 , understanding that that's part of the process and we need not feel embarrassed or ashamed of it but to surrender to it , because then that surrender becomes , you get the greatest gifts .
You know , I really want to get a guest on here who can talk about the unhealthy relationship between parent and child and hopefully get someone who has resolved their relationship problems so that we can hear from a different perspective , because I think our relationship can be intimidating to those who are like well , what do I do if I don't have this relationship
with my parent ? They're not as open . You guys have a relationship that is healthy , but not everybody has healthy relationships with their . You know the parent-child dynamic , so I would love if anybody is listening and wants to share their story .
We would love to hear from you so that we can just kind of have a little , a little insight there , because I know that's an important sector as we navigate through this journey together and share it with the world . I did go and find that , that scripture , though .
Romans 28 .
And it says and we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them . I was hesitant in sharing it , simply because it says of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them .
And you know , not knowing what others spiritual journey is and you know they may not as well about if we don't love God . I mean , this is the scripture that I have , that is written in the Bible that I read and in my belief system , so I want to share those with those who can relate in that way .
But either way , we can see things working together for our good . If you've ever been in a situation , in a relationship , and in the beginning you're like , how do I get out of this relationship ? Or what will my life look like without it ?
Even though everything seems to be going not the way you intended it to go , you get out of that relationship and now you find that you're flourishing in different ways . It may not not the way you intended it to go . You get out of that relationship and now you find that you're flourishing in different ways .
It may not be the way you thought it would , but things tend to work out for our good . We just have to know that the future is bringing something better and that thorns are there to protect roses and the flower is what blooms and what is beautiful . But we have protective thorns and sometimes we're going to feel those thorns . But what's the ?
The product of the flower itself is so beautiful .
I wanted to say something , because you talked , you read that scripture and would you read it again real quick , real quick .
I sure can , and we know that Romans 8 , 28 .
Of course .
And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them .
I also , you know , I know you're about to talk , but I also know that in my journey of listening to different people and their belief systems , it seems as if , more than not , everyone is believing in the same God , not necessarily the entities that fall below God , but the one being that is bigger , the one universe that is greater .
So when I do say God is causing , I would like to challenge you to just reflect to who or what you call God Go ahead , you to just reflect to who or what you call God .
Go ahead , oh , you really took it out , took it , you went there . That's why I was going to go . Everyone knows I'm recovering and one of the things that they say God is to our best , our understanding . And so you just said it because it is what God is for you .
It doesn't have to be what God is for me , but wherever it is that you get your spiritual growth , whatever it is that you feel feeds you spiritually , it's okay . And so me and Candice are here together and we have different ideologies as it relates to , well , religion , spiritual .
I don't think we're different on the spirituality , I know , right , I don't think so with that , but I'm just , yeah , because , so , anyway , right , so , and it's okay to be different . It really is Because we have a beautiful relationship .
I mean , brandon was alive , he was on a whole nother religion , he died in war , right , yes , okay , and he changed them up at least four times , I think . But , anyway , but it was okay and , ooh , okay , anyway . So it's such a beautiful thing for me to be able to sit where I sit and to be able to watch my two children figure out their own path .
I didn't force anything on them . How did they end up the way they ended up , with me as their mother ? I don't know , but it's okay because it's their journey . So to the audience whatever your journey is , we respect it .
Yeah .
Whatever that is .
Yeah .
You know , so I wanted to say that to that candidate .
Thank you for that . Of course we talked about a lot of things and there are going to be , there's going to be a lot that you go through . Listeners that don't always feel good . Go back to that . There is nothing new under the sun and you are not the only one experiencing what you are experiencing .
It may be someone you just don't know , but know that everyone is going through something and how we choose to respond to what we're going through can change the outcome , the trajectory of how your life presents itself in the future .
So just believing mentally that everything is working together for your good and when you find that little spark of good sometimes it's not as big as it is for others , it can be very minute Take it and show it gratitude , be grateful for what that is , that you've been able to find that goodness in , and magnify it , because a lot of times it's easy to magnify
what is not good . So magnify what is good and continue to search for those things and you will draw those things to you more often than not and you will notice them coming , even if they're small , more frequently , until they grow bigger .
It will not eliminate the difficulties that you have to navigate , but you will increase your happy pleasure , your serotonin , your dopamines , and that can change the way you live your life .
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