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Welcome to the dynamic duel podcast a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC By comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin brother Johnny DC and in this episode We're going to find out who to win in a fight between the Superman villain Livewire and the Black Panther villain claw essentially These are two energy beings one composed of electricity and one composed
of sound So, yeah, we're gonna find out who wins between electricity and sound, essentially. You had no idea who's gonna win, so we can't wait to find out the answer later on in this episode. Before that, we're gonna break down the latest comic book movie news to come out this past week, of which there was one major news item. According to Jeff Snyder, renowned Hollywood journalist, Deborah Anwalt and Elden Henson will be returning as their characters
of Karen Page and Foggy Nelson in Daredevil Born Again. It's great news! As always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Our artificially intelligent dual simulator, AJ-9K, has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up. Why hello there. Do you love listening and chatting about Marvel and DC? Then become a part of the dynamic dual community
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This week I'll actually be guesting on Ken's show as we find out who would win between Michael Keaton's Batman from the 1989 Batman and Matt Salinger's Captain America from the 1990 Captain America film. That's right. Max Destruction is doing a Marvel vs. DC episode, and if you want to find out who'd win between Batman and Captain America, at least those versions of
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find out who would win in fights between your favorite video game characters. In yesterday's episode, they speculated on who would win between Cervantes from Soul Calibur and Scorpion from Mortal Kombat. So be sure to check that out. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the Dynamite Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, quick to the no prize. A no prize is an award Marvel used to give out to
fans. Our version, the Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram and in our email newsletter for the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week's question we asked, who would you cast as the sentry in the MCU's Thunderbolts film? And that's coming off of the news that Steven Yeun has departed that role for that movie. You got a lot of great answers. Let's go ahead and run down our honorable
mentions as well as the no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Scott Camacho, who said, I'm going to go ahead and state the obvious and say Henry Cavill. I mean, he's worked with Superman. So, you know, he has the goody two shoes parts of Sentry. And for the void, his work with the Witcher and being a villain in Mission Impossible, I think he has the acting chops and the star power to pull that character off. So I've heard this answer
before and I've always hated it. But now who we know that Henry Cavill is not returning to the role of Superman. Sure. Why not make him the century? I actually think that would be really cool. And I would love to see the actor again in a superhero role. Absolutely. I mean, the guy is very superhero esque in his appearance. I think he'd be a fantastic century. The character is often seen as an analog to DC's Superman. So, yeah, if he played Superman
for DC, let's have him play the analog for Marvel. I think he'd be a great get. It would also be like the ultimate troll from Marvel 2 Warner Brothers. Exactly, exactly. I'm surprised actually Jonathan you're going along with this because I think it's a great idea. Well this would be punishment for not hashtag restoring the Snyderverse. WB gets what's coming to them. Great answer Scott Camacho. Our next honorable mention goes to his twin brother, Gil Camacho.
Who said? Hey guys, Gilimacho here. I know a lot of people are probably thinking Henry Cavill should be a good recruit for Sentry. just so we can punch a gut to DC. But since we both have Luke and Chris Hemsworth, I think it should be Liam Hemsworth. All right, guys, thank you. Yeah, why not round out the Hemsworth brother trio and get Liam Hemsworth in the role as
the Sentry. Now, some people may balk at the idea of casting both brothers in the MCU, but there's precedent given that Luke plays the thespian version of Thor in Thor Ragnarok and Love and Thunder. But also, the Sentry kinda looks like Thor in the comic books. You know, they're both like big buff dudes with long blonde hair. Although Liam Hemsworth does look kinda weird with long light colored hair. Have you seen him as the Witcher? It's weird! No. Hahaha.
I don't think it's a bad option. I think it's a pretty solid option. I think it could work, yeah. Great answer, Gil. Our final honorable mention goes to Matt Estes, who said... Hey guys, Matt Estes here. Hey, I think Alexander Ludwig. From Vikings, he played Bjorn Ironside, would be a great pick for this entry. He's got the look and he's got the acting chops. Yeah, offhand, I didn't remember who Alexander Ludwig was until I looked him up, but I totally recognize
him as the main villain of the first Hunger Games movie, and from Vikings. The guy looks the part of this entry to a T. He has some big roles under his belt, and also, I don't think he'll cost Marvel a dime. Yeah, honestly, there are a lot of actors from the Vikings series that can play superhero roles. I'm still waiting for Katherine Winnick to join DC in some kind of role. She needs to be there. She's awesome. Yeah, I remember when she was the front runner
on my wishlist to play Captain Marvel. But great answer, Matt Estes. We want to give a quick shout out to Mitchell Smoothie, Cornelius Robinson, and Corey Wooten for taking the time to visit our website and record your answers. But the winner of this week's Snow Prize is... John Spees. and Ryan McMullen, who both gave the same answer. Let's hear both of them. Hey guys, John Speas here. My pick for the century would be Alexander Skarsgård. I know his father's
already been in the MCU, but Alexander is tall. We know he can get fit from his time as Tarzan, and he's got that Swedish blonde hair that I think would work really, really well. So he is my pick, Alexander Skarsgård. Hey guys, it's Ryan McMullen here. Hi. choice for the Sentry would be Alexander Skarsgard because that guy's got the look, right? He could definitely be
the Sentry. Nobody else hands down is him. Yeah, both of these are great answers. Not only does Alexander Skarsgard have the look though, he also has the intensity, I believe, for the role, which would be required to play a mentally unstable character like the Sentry. Oh sure, yeah, did you see him in the Northman? That was a great role for him. No, but I saw the trailer for Infinity Pool because I was too afraid to watch the movie and holy shit, this
guy could act. Yeah, he's a leading man. I have no doubt that he would make the perfect century and I think a lot of fans would be super excited to see him in the role because he is to a T the perfect century. It needs to happen. You know, I did see him in recently that I thought he was really good in the final season of Succession. He was incredible in that role. like really menacing and like really intelligent. So yeah, that's the perfect way to describe the century.
If Kevin Feige cast Alexander Skarsgard in the role of the century like tomorrow, I guarantee you MCU stock would go up. Fans would be all over that. Absolutely, yeah. It would save the box office. Do it Kevin Feige, do it for the fans. So congrats to John Spees and Ryan McMullen. John is a long time friend of the show. You know, him and his brother Adam have guessed it on. this podcast on numerous occasions. They recently ended their nostalgic movie podcast,
The Blast From Our Past, and we are super sad to see it gone. And Ryan McMullen, I think this is the first time we've heard from you. Way to crush it out of the gate. Absolutely. If you, the listener, want a shot at winning your own no prize, stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking another Question of the Week. And now that that's done, on to the news. Alright this past week we got some awesome news in regards to the Disney Plus upcoming television
show Daredevil Born Again. Now we learned like a couple months ago that the entire series is being retooled under the new showrunner Dario Scartapin and with that news Jeff Snyder is reporting via his blog The Insnyder that Deborah Ann Wall and Elden Hansen will be reprising
their roles as Karen Page and Foggy Nelson in the upcoming Daredevil season. Fantastic. Yeah, it's super exciting because previously we had heard the exact opposite of that, that they weren't returning because then Disney would have had to have paid the old Netflix writers as like creators of the show. Yeah, something weird like that. But I'm glad that Skardepain realized that Foggy Nelson and Karen Page were a huge part of the appeal from the Netflix
series. The chemistry between those three cast members was spot on and a big part of what made the show enjoyable. Yeah, totally. I really hope that this means that The Netflix series is made canon in the MCU. That would be fantastic. Well, interestingly enough, if you go onto the Disney Plus Marvel Hub page, the Netflix series have been added to the official Marvel timeline in their menu. A what? Yeah, so it looks like those shows are actually being treated
as canon now. Wait, even Iron Fist? Even Iron Fist. Whoa. Now, of course, that doesn't guarantee that the actors will be. cast the same in future appearances. But we know that a lot are returning, including Charlie Cox, now Deborah Anwalt, Elden Hansen, Jon Bernthal will be returning as the Punisher, as it's expected that he will still retain his cameo on the Daredevil born again series. And there are also rumors that Kristen Ritter will be returning as Jessica Jones in
a cameo. So lots to look forward to. Super excited with the new direction that Dario Scartapin has taken this series. and really bringing Marvel fans what they want. The series doesn't currently have a premiere date yet, but it's expected to come out in 2025. Can't wait for that. Of course, if you want your immediate Daredevil fix, you can see him for approximately 90 seconds as he cameos in the Echo television show. I haven't seen that yet. Is it really only 90
seconds? Yeah, it's only for one fight scene. What a rip off. I guess if you really want your Daredevil fix, just rewatch the Netflix series. There you go. But speaking of Karen Page and Foggy Nelson returning to the show, that brings us to our question of the week. What other character from the Daredevil Netflix series do you most hope returns for Disney
Plus's Daredevil born again show and why? Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long. And don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a dynamic duel no prize. that we'll post to Instagram and our email
newsletter. Be sure to answer before January 17th, because next weekend is our birthday, and we're recording the next episode a little early. But I think that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and get into our main event, where we find out who'd win between the villain characters of Livewire and Claw. Alright, Livewire versus Claw, as I mentioned at the top of this episode, these are two energy
beings, one of them being made out of electricity and one of them being made out of sound. I'm a little bit nervous about how this speculation is going to go considering that these two characters don't really have a physical essence that can be permanently harmed, I think. Yeah, how does one energy form damage another energy form? I have no idea. We'll find out. We'll figure something out. Of course, Livewire is a Superman villain who was first introduced in the Superman,
the animated series back in the 90s. She was an original character that has kind of stuck around in the comics. Yeah, kind of like Harley Quinn. Yeah, yeah. Whereas Klaw has been a primary villain for Black Panther since his first iteration. He was portrayed by Andy Serkis in the Black Panther movie as well as Avengers Age of Ultron. Yeah, but the character is pretty
different in the comics as far as I'm aware. Yeah, he is like... Klaue in the movies was an arms dealer whose hand was severed by Ultron, whereas in the comics, Klaue is more of a scientist whose hand was actually taken by T'Challa himself. But we'll learn more about the character shortly. Before that, to explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K, tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our
duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomise the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from
which the DC characters statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character
should win 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman. So the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination
of the winner. Thanks AJ9K. Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the DC character. So let me tell you all about Livewire. Metropolis's radio shock jock DJ, Leslie Willis, made a name for herself bashing Superman, claiming that he only saved people for attention seeking
and less than altruistic reasons. At the height of her popularity, the owner of the radio station, Miguel Sendoza, decided to switch to a country music format and he fired Leslie, in part because his wife had been saved by Superman a week prior. and he didn't appreciate Leslie's success. Unbeknownst to Miguel, Leslie was a metahuman capable of absorbing and redirecting electromagnetic waves, and after electrocuting her producer, Leslie went to the roof of the radio station's
building and climbed its antenna in an attempt to disrupt the signal coming from it. She was struck by lightning on the tower, however, and her nervous system, unable to absorb that level of electricity. was converted into pure electrical energy. Thrilled by her transformation and overcome by power, Leslie decided to attack Superman while he was searching for Lois Lane,
who had been kidnapped by Leslie's brother. Initially overwhelmed by Leslie's power, Superman managed to defeat her by seeding a cloud with ice particles, transforming it into a storm cloud that generated a lightning bolt that shorted Leslie's body, just in time to save Lois. You can learn more about Superman in our Superman vs. Dr. Doom episode. Leslie was later kidnapped, along with many other metahumans, by an alien known as the Auctioneer, who captured and sold
unique beings across the universe. After successfully shorting the power source to her containment field, Leslie was able to escape and help Earth's heroes such as Superman and Mr. Terrific. defeat the Auctioneer by taking over his ship's communication systems, and she was able to broadcast their victory to Earth. After having been seen partnered with the heroes, Leslie decided to turn over
a new leaf and agreed to be studied by Star Labs. Her power levels fluctuated over time as her entire body began converting to energy, which slowly caused her to become mentally unbalanced. She escaped Star Labs and took hostages in Las Vegas. demanding a ransom of all the
money in the town. Jimmy Olsen happened to be in Las Vegas at the time, and after he summoned Superman and he and Leslie fought, Superman managed to get Leslie into a containment suit that he wore during a time in the 90s when he himself was also an electrical energy being. I remember that electric blue Superman, yeah. The containment suit instantly helped regulate
Leslie's energy and her sanity was restored. Soon after, Leslie became a member of the Superman of America, a team Superman put together after traveling the United States and realizing he can't be everywhere all the time. In post-Flashpoint continuity, Leslie was given a new origin. No longer a radio shock jock, but a streaming personality and vlogger made famous for her
makeup tutorials and pranks. For one of her pranks, Leslie broke into Metropolis's main power station and took control of the with the intention of turning off all of its power except for one illuminated, obscene message that could be seen from space. Superman interrupted the stream, however, and Leslie accidentally electrocuted herself with enough electricity to power Metropolis. Blaming Superman for what had happened to her, she fought him a number of times before Batman
created an energy-diffusion prison for her on Stryker's Island. A cult managed to siphon her out of prison, however, and Batgirl was forced to bring her down with her father Commissioner Gordon when he was Batman for a time. And that's Livewire's brief history. She hasn't been around for a long time. Powers-wise, Livewire is a being of pure electromagnetic energy, making
her immune to most physical attacks. She can absorb, store, and project electrical energy strong enough to affect Superman, though high-voltage attacks do use up a substantial amount of her energy. and forces her to recharge by absorbing additional electrical energy elsewhere. She is able to phase through most solid matter and can travel along power lines or other forms of circuitry. She could also imbue machines and devices with her own electrical energy
to take control of them. She can naturally emit radio waves, and she can charge objects with electromagnetic energy to make them magnetic. and cannot affect insulated objects. That's LiveWire. I like how her origin was updated from a shock jock, which is what it was from the cartoon, if I remember correctly, to an influencer. Yeah, a wannabe influencer, essentially. Yeah, that's pretty great. I didn't know she
was a technopath, though. I didn't know she could control other electronic devices. Yes. I guess that makes sense. Yeah, she does that pretty frequently with TV screens, or just screens of any kind, really. Okay. She like invades their systems and then like she can speak to people through screens. It's pretty cool. Yeah, this is gonna be a difficult fight
because let me tell you about Klaue's history and powers. Ulysses Klaue was born in Belgium, the son of Fritz Klaue, a former Hydra Colonel who in World War II joined Baron Strucker in an attempted invasion of the African nation of Wakanda in order to learn its secrets. The Klaue family had a history with the as Ulysses' great-great-great grandfather had a run-in with the Wakandans in the 1800s and never returned home to tell about it. Fritz, his father, was
slightly luckier as he was able to barely escape Wakanda with his life. Returning home to Belgium, Fritz raised Ulysses with tales of the formidable African nation and instilled in his son an intense hatred for Wakanda and its leader, the Black Panther. You can learn more about the Black Panther in his dual episode against Black Manta. Something of a science prodigy, Ulysses studied physics as a young adult, specializing in the field of applied sonics at the Technical
University of Delft in the Netherlands. There, he designed a sound transducer able to convert the vibrational waves of sound into physical mass. However, the device would require vibranium in order to function, vibranium being a rare metal found only in the nation of Wakanda that can absorb kinetic energy. Eager to get his hands on the metal? Ulysses enlisted a group of mercenaries and fashioned a sonic blaster. He and the mercenaries journeyed to the Wakandan
border, where they were confronted by its then-king and Black Panther, T'Chaka. When the king was overpowered by Ulysses' sonic blaster, 13-year-old Prince T'Challa jumped in the fight to help. As Ulysses fired his weapon on the young prince, T'Chaka leapt in the way of the blast and was killed, protecting his son. In retaliation, Wakandan warrior Zuri impaled Ulysses right arm with a spear, causing him to drop his sonic blaster. Young T'Challa then picked it up and
used it to blow off Ulysses hand and force the villain to retreat. In the end, Ulysses did obtain a small sample of vibranium, but more importantly, earned an enemy for life in Prince T'Challa, who would grow up to become the new king of Wakanda and the Black Panther. Ulysses spent the next few years building his sound transducer that could convert sound waves into
solid form and equipping it into a prosthetic device to replace his missing right hand. He attempted to invade Wakanda again, this time getting at the source of all vibranium called the Great Mound, and bombarded Wakanda with a horde of sound energy creature constructs, which Ulysses referred to as Echoes. However, Black Panther was able to track the source
of these Echoes to Ulysses' secret lab which he blew up, seemingly killing Ulysses. As it turned out, however, the villain's consciousness survived as his body was transformed by his transducer into a being made entirely out of sound, now able to shape and control vibrational forces at will. With his new abilities, he set his sights on the Fantastic Four and Mr. Fantastic's
inventions. Though Ulysses was able to trap the team in a force field, the heroes consulted with Black Panther, who sent them some vibranium knuckle guards that Mr. Fantastic used to defeat the villain. As it turned out, vibranium was one of Ulysses' only weaknesses due to its vibration absorbing properties that would render his powers inert. Ulysses was imprisoned, but
was freed by Ultron, who recruited him into his Masters of Evil super villain team. The group took on the Avengers, but were defeated in battle with Ulysses falling to his rival, the Black Panther. His sound form was too powerful to be subdued by conventional means, however, and Ulysses to set his sights on an isotope variation of Wakandan vibranium called Antarctic Vibranium, which was found only in the Savage Land, a hidden tropical region in Antarctica
located well below sea level. Unlike Wakandan vibranium which absorbs vibrations, Antarctic vibranium emanates vibrations. Ulysses was thwarted in his attempt to obtain it by the jungle hero of the Savage Land known as Khazar. who caused the villain to attune the Antarctic Vibranium at such a frequency as to open a portal to a different vibratory plane of reality, where
Ulysses became stuck. Eventually, though, he found his way back home via the Nexus of All Realities, a portal to all dimensions that you can learn more about in our Swamp Thing vs Man Thing dual episode. Ulysses suffered his quickest and most embarrassing defeat at the hands of the mutant Dazzler, whose whole ability is to convert sound into light energy. She absorbed his sound essence only to expel it later in a fight with Galactus, the world devourer.
Ulysses' consciousness then found itself living inside of Galactus' machinery for a time until he was discovered by Dr. Doom during the Secret Wars event where heroes were pit against villains in a cosmic experiment on a planet called Battleworld. After returning to Earth, Ulysses became a member of the Frightful Four, alongside the Wizard, Hydro Man and Titania, and the team was successful in transforming the Fantastic Four's thing from his rocky form into his human
form as Ben Grimm, thus rendering the hero powerless. Though the Frightful Four were able to capture the remaining Fantastic Four, it was the human Ben Grimm who freed his teammates and saved the day, resulting in Ulysses being imprisoned by Mr. Fantastic in a special vacuum containment unit. An echo construct of Ulysses himself managed to evade apprehension, however. and captured the hero Daredevil in an effort to use his superior senses to locate his original self via a specially
built antenna. Daredevil destroyed the Echo's antenna device though, which destroyed the Echo itself. The real Ulysses would be freed by the frightful Four, which included the new member Carnage, whom you can learn more about in our Lobo vs Carnage dual episode. Due to the symbiote's insanity and weakness to Sonics, Ulysses kept Carnage in check to keep the team safe. Carnage turned on the team, however, and stabbed Ulysses with a vibranium spear that
caused him to detonate and disperse beyond reconstitution. With his final act, Ulysses used the last of his power to summon a bolt of sound energy that separated Carnage from his host. Though he was believed to be dead, Ulysses was later found as a prisoner of the international peacekeeping agency, SHIELD, apparently having reconstituted. That's his backstory. Powers-wise, Claws abilities stem from his Soundwave body. which his consciousness can vibrate at a frequency to produce a solid
form. In fact, he can manipulate all ambient sound in his vicinity for a variety of effects, including creating other solid sound constructs called echoes, project waves or beams of concussive force, and create deafening or debilitating tones. By manipulating the frequency of his own sonic state, he can render himself highly durable, with increased strength able to lift around 10 tons, and even more when supported by additional vibrational force, or he can
render himself intangible. Either way, he is virtually immortal and resistant to physical attack. He is a gifted technical engineer and scientist in the branch of physics that studies sound. His only weakness is vibranium, which absorbs sound, or a vacuum in which he would dissipate. And that's Klaue. I'm not gonna lie, Klaue is a pretty cool villain. Yeah, he's kind of like a red lantern, although more like a red green lantern because red lanterns do
they even produce constructs? I thought it was just like lava. They can, they can. Although I do think it's dumb that his friggin weakness is the primary weapon of his rival. That's like Superman going up against kryptonite man. Yeah, Clair really needs to find a better enemy than the guy who is best equipped to kill him. Exactly. I think you'd be a much more successful villain if he stopped going against the Black Panther. Definitely not the Dazzler either. That was funny.
Now that we got the characters' histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by his simulations, not the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how the fight can play out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out
is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation... The contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then, let's get into it. Livewire and Claw meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm gonna say Livewire goes
first because electricity moves faster than sound, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. So... She's gonna start by firing a lightning bolt right at Claw's face, which no way he's fast enough to dodge that. Uh, well, I mean, like, if she moves her hand and fires the lightning bolt with lightning speed, you're probably right. Uh, he wouldn't be able to dodge it, so he gets hit in the face, but you forget his physical form isn't normal. It's just vibrational forces that are
rendered solid. So, like, he probably gets blasted onto his back, and he's probably a little stunned. but he's not like seriously injured, right? And you know what follows lightning? That's right, thunder. And as soon as the thunder clap follows her lightning bolt, which is like immediately, the thunder is gonna empower claw and he's gonna convert the sound of the thunder into a construct of like a herd of giant stampeding elephants. And those elephants are just gonna trample
Livewire. Interesting, okay. But actually, Livewire, she's just gonna convert her body into electricity and zip between the elephants and then like zap herself right into Claw's sonic device that he has on his hand. And she's going to short that sucker. So now Claw can't use it to project sound anymore. Oh, really? Yeah. You think it would be that easy? That's cute. Again, Claw is made of essentially kinetic sound energy, including his sonic blaster. It's not
actually technology. Well, why the fuck does it look like it is then? Like, why would he just give himself a normal hand? Excuse me. Something as bad as does it need a reason? Yes. The answer is no. You know, he has a hand blaster on his hand because it's just that much cooler when he kills you with it. That's why. Oh, my gosh. OK. So live wire. She dives into his sonic blaster hand, which is essentially just pure kinetic energy. So she gets thrown
out of it, I guess. But now she knows what she's dealing with, at least more or less. And she's going to generate an electromagnetic energy dome around Klaut to contain him. Okay. Well, I'm going to say this electricity dome is probably making a noise, like this low level electric hum sound, right? So Klaue's gonna tap into that electrical hum and amplify it so that it turns into this debilitating, piercing noise that just penetrates the energy field and hurts
Livewire's ears so bad that she like drops the energy field. And then Klaue is gonna shoot this massive, concussive energy beam from a sonic blaster at Livewire and it's gonna slam into her like a freight train and cause her body to disperse. I was going to call bullshit on that, like, piercing sound attack you just did, but I guess she is still able to hear things. Yeah, yeah. I guess it would work. OK, so you fired this beam at her and say her body
was dispersed. You think it was a dispersal, but it was intentional to dodge the beam and livewire reforms, like essentially teleporting right behind Klawe, where she's going to grab
him by the back of the neck and just electrocute him. at the source fatality style dude sonic form I don't know what you don't get about that yes solid sonic form it would have no effect on him like the sound does not conduct electricity so she's gonna try to electrocute him he just goes intangible to escape her grasp and then he's gonna shoot a massive shock wave into the ground beneath live wire like shaking the ground and breaking it up and he's gonna lift
these massive boulders using vibrational forces into the air and then slam them down onto her just Burying live wire like deep into the ground like 20 or 30 feet in the ground He buries live wire and that grounds her right? I'm no scientist But I think at that point her electrical energy form would be grounded and would like disperse into the earth and she would lose
Her form so she'd be gone Essentially so match over you just got scienced. Oh, too can sense of this game bitch Let's say when she's grabbing him by the neck, that electric charge was actually to convert his sound form into an electric current, just like a microphone, so that she could transmit his body into space as radio waves. So she wins. What is that? How microphones work? You don't know how microphones work. Yeah, man. They like use magnets or some shit to like turn sound
into an electric signal and live It's like a living electromagnet. So in your face. Magnets, how do they work? Ha ha ha. But like, you need some kind of like antenna or something to broadcast the signal. Like she would need some kind of technology. She can't do that on her own. No, actually, she can. That's one of her abilities that I said she had. She's actually even done her own Sonic attacks before by bombarding people who could hear radio waves like Superman or
the Flash's children. Oh. Well, good on you for conveniently leaving that out of your bio. I just said I mentioned it. I wasn't paying attention to you. Also, radio waves are not the same thing as actual sound. So I think you're full of crap. That's not technically a sonic attack. I don't know what you're talking about. No, but a microphone will convert sound into a radio wave. And again, she just blasts them out into space to drift forever. That's stupid.
But we could leave the match there. I say she gets buried underground. and you say that Klaue gets blasted into the sky as radio waves. Yeah, no sound in space. Yeah, in space, no one can hear Klaue scream. We'll go ahead and leave the match there. We'll run the stats on these characters and find out which of these scenarios happens when we come back with a winner. AG9K, hit it. Inputting data, running calculations, processing results, simulations complete. All
right. I was really nervous prior to the match, trying to figure out how these two energy beings would hurt each other, live wire being electrical energy, claw being essentially kinetic energy. I don't know if we found a great solution. We had to get really sciencey at the end there with our speculation. And probably 99% of that is bullshit because you and I are not scientists and we have no idea what the hell we're talking about. But it was a speculation. Yeah, yeah,
it was. Technically, when it came to figuring out their stats, for the most part, they were going pretty tit for tat, I would say. Like Livewire is definitely faster than Claw. Yeah, but Claw is stronger and smarter. We said they were about the same when it came to evasiveness considering they both can go intangible, although have a kind of semi-tangible form that allows them to get punched in the face by the good guys. They're both really destructive. Their
damage potential is really high. They're also both really versatile characters. Yeah, given that they could use their powers for a variety of effects, like Livewire even has Technopathy and Klaue can create constructs, including duplicates of himself and stuff like that. So a lot of back and forth, but also a lot of like equity between their abilities. For the most part, there was fighting skill. We said that while Klaue was an experienced fighter, Livewire
basically had no training whatsoever. And there was nothing in my research to indicate that she did. She's very much a projectile based attacker. Very rarely does it come down to fisticuffs. So basically taking all of these stats into account, Joseph, who do you think came out on top? I think Mr. Ulysses Kla is coming out on top of this one. Although no one on Instagram agrees with me. Well, actually I should say 72% of the people who took our
poll don't agree with me, but it's fine to be wrong. They can be wrong. I'm actually a little bit surprised that LiveWire came out that high. I think just. Maybe a lot of people are thinking about the MCU version of Klaue and thinking that there's no way that he would be able to defeat someone made out of lightning. That's my guess. That's probably a really good guess. Well, let's find out who won. AJ9K, the results please. Hey, Yuasa. The winner of the matchup
between Livewire and Klaue is... fucking Klaue. Yeah! And it wasn't even Um, he won 693 of the 1000 matches or 69.3% compared to Livewire winning only 30.7. Okay, so Claude wins around two-thirds of the time. And honestly, like this baffles the shit out of me. Like I know the discrepancy in the fighting stat is pretty drastic, but damn, I thought I totally had you when it came to like our speculation. and I came out of that really confident that Livewire
would win, but apparently not. Well, it's hard to think of an instance in which this fight would come down to hand-to-hand combat, right? Right, exactly. But you would have to assume that fighting skill would play at least a small portion of some of the matches, and when you run a thousand simulations, it was enough of an influence to give Claude the ultimate victory. It also just baffles me that sound can beat lightning energy. That's... I cannot comprehend
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