Wes Borland of Limp Bizkit

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guitarist of Lempisgett and so many of his other projects. West Borland. How the hell are you today, man? I'm great. Great. How are you? Amazing bars that bar in your house? Yeah, this is all my house. The bar came before the show. This is the funny thing. It did. Okay. Okay. Oh yeah. I had a bar built. You look well stocked and very professional. Yes, yes. I don't know about professional, but definitely well stocked.

Well stocked, yeah. But yeah, I did a remodel a couple of years ago and I've heard a bar. I wanted to have a bar in my house, not knowing that I'd eventually be using it as the backdrop to my show. So it's kind of funny. That's great. Yeah, I've had two houses over the years that had bars in them and it's super fun, but they were not. It looks like you've got draft on tap. Oh yeah. I've got a couple of drafts over there.

I've got a couple of those. I got I'm drinking on my filthy IPA right now. I don't know if you're familiar. We just we just launched our own beer. We're about to have some. That looks great. I'll get some sent out to you. Yeah, I'm having what they call a white trash mamosa, which is a mamosa with a little like vodka floater in there. Wow. I never had that. Field white trash mamosa. I'm not sure if that's a politically correct name for it, but that's what they're called.

Hey, if that's what they're calling it, that's what the kids are calling it these days, right? You mentioned that you a couple different houses had a bar. I know that you just recently moved. Where did you move to? Oh, I just I had a house for a time. I gave Detroit a try and was there for like back and forth for like five years and then moved back to LA. So, okay.

And I'm back in LA now and I think that my fiance and I are going to move to Palm Springs where like and then just keep like a place in LA but go back and forth between LA and Palm Springs. But Detroit was cool. Well, like I had built out an awesome studio there and recorded about four records there. And it was I loved having weather. You know, I've lived in I'm from the southeast, but I lived in I've lived in LA for over 20 years. And

I don't know. It was it was a really cool experience. And but it was too much house and the house was too old and the ghost was it was kind of a haunted house and the ghost was cool that lived there. But it pulled people's everybody that stayed there like pulled their leg when they were sleeping or like slap them on the leg. Wait, wait, wait. You be dead serious about this? Yeah, yeah, serious. So people would stay at the house and they would go to sleep

and it would pull their leg or slap them in the leg and they would wake up. And it's happened to me before too. But then after you're there for a while, the it like mellows out and it gets used to you. That's so funny because I mean, I've never been much of a believer in that stuff. Where were you a believer before? You? I'm not really I've seen

weird things in my life. But I've never dealt with a haunting before. But everybody that came into that house, like got it, that spent any significant amount of time there when it was like, whoa, there's something. I feel weird. Like that's something that I feel like something is watching me or like there's someone in the room or like I look in the

mirror and I see like something like that. I can't say that it's actually an object. But I see like like little like ripples in the mirror or yeah, I mean, but it was the weird thing about the presence in that house that which I just sold in February of this year. Did you have to disclose? Did you have to disclose that there was a ghost? No, you don't disclose hauntings. But I'm not going to say I mean, it's you know, it's intangible.

You know, you can't say like there's a ghost in here like you can say like there's water penetration this part of the basement because the gutters are bad on that side of the house. You have to say, but it just the weird thing about that ghost is everyone always thought I was female and like they I would I would go do you think it's a male or female and everybody without fail would go it's female. No, sure is and the longer you stay there, the more

it wanted you to be there. So like I thought that house was it was here this huge house building in 1923. It was like a Italian Renaissance revival home. So it had like Indian Aligned stone on the outside. Yeah, it was just beautiful. It still is. It's still there. 55 Arden Park Boulevard Detroit Michigan. Look at that. But somebody's about to go get thought with you to have her buy your house. And then they'll be fine. They'll be fine.

A family bought it. And I think the ghost will really like the family that bought it. But the more time you spent there, the more comfortable you got there, the more you wanted to be there. And when you left, you felt guilty for leaving. It was this weird that's right. It's kind of like you feel bad. Kind of like you feel bad leaving her alone. Yeah, you felt bad like leaving the house. But anyway, yeah, I've seen some weird things over

the years of my life. But that was kind of a nice ghost. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like it. Sounds like it was a little bit of a prexster, no? A little bit of a prexster, a little bit sassy. But I'm a little sassy prexster too, I guess. So you guys got along great. We got along great. But I'm glad to be back on the West Coast. Yeah, I mean, for me, I've lived here my whole life, but I mean, and I've traveled all over the place as you have as well. We played a bunch of festivals

with you guys. I feel like on and off and we've never crossed paths before. I know it's wild. Like we've been in the same place, but we haven't ever gotten a chance to meet or talk very much. Yeah, well, I think it's that shocks a lot of people who don't know, but we're in work mode too. You know, like everyone's got their own thing that they do. That really brings me to ask this. I've never really asked this of anyone and I just, I got to ask you, what is your show rituals?

Because I have a lot of show rituals that I have to do. I like to have a pre-show nap. I like to do certain little OCD kind of style things. Do you have any of that? Or any sort of things? For me, I mean, I think because I do, like what I do on stages, so usually so theatrical.

And I have to get into pretty elaborate costumes that just I usually take two hours before we go on to sort of get ready and put in like, you know, contact lenses or whatever gear I have that I've made or had someone else that I've, because I either make things myself or I work with other people to make things that are beyond my capability or, you know, and or or I get, you know, collaborators or people to just make entire costumes for me that are way beyond my capability.

But it's it's it's ritual for me to just spend like a block of two hours before we go on and getting in costume, getting in character, getting warmed up. What's your want what's one of you do you have a warm up riff? Like is there for me? I always don't know. No, no, I don't play before we go. Like I never play guitar. If there's something if there's a change in the set or if we're adding

something, I will I'll play before we go on. But most of the time you just get out there. I just want to get I just want to get limber like I move my fingers, but I don't I don't ever touch like a tarantillant go on stage. That's wild. Yeah. I always let biscuit riffs are easy man. I don't know man. There's there's some pretty good shit on there man. I think it's just like I don't I don't physically play, but I try to like, you know, get like physically warmed up because

I go out in the crowd a lot. You know, the things I'm going to do on stage are going to be I don't know what I'm going to do. So I just have to get really limber and make sure that, you know, whatever I do, I don't get hurt. Yeah. Well, let's stay with the on stage topic here. Yeah. You guys just announced that Limpissian's going to be doing some shows here in July, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. We're starting in Wisconsin. I think it's it's what is the sh it's rock

rock fest in Wisconsin. And then we're doing Lala Paloza and Chicago right after that. So we're super excited about that, especially like whenever we get invited to do like cross over festivals, like Reading and Leeds or, you know, Lala Paloza. It's always amazing. Yeah. Those are those are definitely some fun festivals. You you guys kind of announced with that post of you and Fred shaking hands kind of, you know, little tug and cheek about your guys is up and down relationship,

I guess. Is that was that kind of the thing? Like, oh, we're back. Maybe a little bit. I mean, but that that I mean, he's in on that picture too. That picture is actually from quite a few years ago, but he and I get along great and I think that it just took for, you know, our we've had a tumultuous relationship over the years, but it just took some time for us to kind of grow up as

people. I'm sure that you being, you know, in your band have experienced that in some way to some extent, you know, you don't it's it's like having, you know, it's been like in a family and families don't always get along, but you're stuck together. So you got to work it out. So, but I know we get

along great now and I've been talking to him. We I've been seeing him in a year because of just lockdown and we've been I've been so busy with my other projects and doing other things, but we've really been ramping up and like the last like few days to a week, we've been increasingly talking more and talking about what we're going to do and everything that's coming up. So are you guys going to be getting into some rehearsals before the shows and stuff and? In June. Yeah, I think we're

going to start rehearsing around June 15th. Okay. And getting a place in like North Hollywood or something like that to lock out and yeah, it'll be it's your I'm nervous. I never get nervous, but I'm a little nervous to play again. Well, when was the yeah, when was the last time that you, I mean, obviously, not just COVID, but when's the last time? Maybe I should have done a little bit more research on this, but when was the last time you played with the last? No, it's okay.

It was we played at the we had a tour in Russia. We have four shows in Russia and one show in Lithuania and one show in Latvia, right before lockdown. So right in like March. Okay. Like February end of February, early March of 2020. So we got like one tour and that's when COVID was hitting and everybody was like, what what's going on? And guess what? We all got COVID like a bunch of us got COVID at the end of that tour. We didn't know what it was, but then our monitor guy

went home and he lives in London and he tested positive. So we all went fuck. Yeah, that's what we got it. Yeah. That was that's it. It's another one of our friends, our mutual friend Bobby Shubinsky. Yeah, he got over to yeah, he had and it was so early on too. It was like you said, you were like right at the right at the top of it. Yeah, I mean, that was that was like the only thing that was kind of kind of scary about is it was so early. We didn't know what it was going to do. Like no one

knew. I mean, well, I had some weird complications. I like I got sick, but it was a weird sick. Like I and I caught I don't I shouldn't talk about the complications because we just met. But there was a couple weird medical things that happened. But to me in in La Via that I will never forget, but I'm there to do with my butt. I think I could think I could read between the lines there. And there was blood involved. Anyway, that's enough. So enough said, but I had a cough that lasted

for like four months. I just like I just cough that we don't know. And like like now, of course, I coven. Yeah. Yeah. You have all those yeah, all those weird symptoms. It's funny. You know, I don't know. It's so much time on that just because everyone's heard about it over the last year. It's yeah, we're tired of this. Let's move on. It is great that these shows are happening and everything's coming back. And I think it's fine. He's mentally nervous. Like for me, I don't have

like the music side projects. I play I still play bass every once in a while. Yeah, but it's not as much as I used to because I've been working on this show so much. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Our show constantly. So yeah, the spacey bro show constantly. So it's a no, it's it's weird. It's I don't I don't like it's so natural for me to be on stage and I feel so comfortable on stage. But I it's been so long since I was on stage that I it's going to be weird to just go like,

okay, let's or I'm sure it'll be like ride a bike and it'll be like boom right back. Oh, I'm sure. Once you want to get that energy, the crowd and at you again and everything, I'm sure it's going to be yeah, it's going to be without a hitch. Yeah, it's I guess it's mostly like anxiety to be like is the whole crowd going to be in masks like our is everyone like what are we what are the protocols? What are we going to be doing? How is this going to be handled? I guess we'll find out.

Yeah, what are you yeah, I mean, I guess you find out but and everything seems to be changing by the week almost it seems like at this point. Yeah, things are like getting more and more like relaxed. Yeah, if you're vaccinated, you CDC said you don't need to wear a mask, which I thought was fucking hilarious. I'm like, what are you really going to go on the honor system and with with human beings? Yeah, which is weird. I mean, I just the other like I mountain bike

every single day. I'm trying to get rid of these quarantine pounds trying to knock them off, but I'm I mountain bike every day about like seven to ten miles a day. And I actually took today off because my legs hurt so badly that I'm trying to like do a day recovery, but I'm just I guess three days ago was the first day I didn't wear a mask on the trail and I felt guilty a little bit. But I also in California, there's everyone so mask crazy that I just have been

because it's it's also like a courtesy thing. It is. Just to just like I'm vaccinated. I got the Johnson & Johnson. I didn't die, but I'm also not a female between the ages of 25 and 35. But I'm not really right. Yeah, but yeah, but nobody I mean they got blood clots, but I think they they like debunked a lot of those blood clots things. But anyway, I think that those people were going to have blood clots anyway, although they had the vaccine or not. But um

that's right. Any of you on on to lighter things. Yeah. You have like the Mr. Death Bat uh doodles that you were doing. And I didn't even know for my head at first because it was like it's supposed to be our death bat from the bench sevenfold before. Yeah, it was called a bench sevenfolds logo before he died. And it was never been as as an insult. I was just looking at you guys as logo. And I went, what would that look like as a person? And then I went, I would

they'd probably be like ridicule for having like a you know like a bad wings for ears. That wings for ears. And I went, oh, I should do. And I just one day I just started drawing cartoons of of the death bat as a person. And uh it was people were like, are you throwing shade at a bench seven fold? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I just we can debunk that right here. We give debunk that right here on the show. It's debunk. There's no there's no shade at all. I just I just

thought that it would be a really sad story. It was, man. It's it could go with a lot of places. I mean, you might have to make a comic book out of that, you know, you wait. I mean, yeah, like my friend of mine who doesn't much stuff. Uh, he actually, he's the editor for Heady Metal magazine in Chicago. Okay. He's from Chicago, but he's the editor for Heady Metal. He's like, dude, we should do this as a whole. You like, you should collaborate with the bench and yeah, we'd have to

we definitely do a whole like there could be some good stories there, man. Like yeah, some good for the poor death bat before he died. It's because he's awesome now. Yeah, looks great, but as a skull and bat wings, but before that, there's a little crazy now. Oh, come on. Nice. A little crazy nap. I was trying to. I always around the alcohol, man. I noticed that here. We get out those gnats all the time here. And I need to be genus always. They're always

going to have my drinks. My, my fiance Ali is obsessed with plants. That's that became her quarantine thing. So she's filled our house with she propagates plants. There's plants everywhere. It's like a jungle in here. So there's and it's actually the air quality is better in here. After she started doing that, I mean, they're everywhere. She's got him hanging from the ceiling on shelves and they're every window. It's like they're vining down and she just does all her research,

but ever since that started, we get these little gnats that are coming. They're like hanging around the plants. So we live in a jungle now. I mean, that's got to fund up. It's like it's like indoor outdoors. Yeah. So I was that indoor outdoors. I like that. But I want to get into some of your other side projects. There was you released. What was it with goat slayer? You just released some stuff from when you were like 16 years old with your brother. Yeah. That's like from that's from a

really long time ago. Goat slayer spans so many years and it started as like basically like either. So we got a copy of the anarchist cookbook. I don't know if you've ever yeah. Okay. So and it teaches you in that how to brew your own alcohol at home. And we're teenagers. So we're like gross. We're going to do this and it's going to be amazing. But so we got yeast and sugar and water and a bowl and put them in a milk jug and put a balloon over it and you poke a

hole in the balloon and we just put it in the closet. And this was like our fuel. Like for making we would make a record with like an improvisational record every night that we did this and do it in like 10 hours or like you know between eight and 10 hours we'd make a record. But we would uh smoke terrible weed like dirt weed out of like a socket wrench that was in like a PVC pipe.

Oh, I had to do this socket wrench. Yeah, you take a socket from like a socket wrench bit and you put it in a PVC pipe and then you put the weed in there it's disgusting. That's it. So we get apples and pears and all kinds of stuff that we're doing this. I've never done that. I've never done that. Oh, we did cans too. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but and then we brewed our own alcohol. We mixed it with RC cola and it was disgusting.

And we also rated the dumpster at the gas station up the street from us and found all this expired like chewing tobacco. So we were like chewing like expired chewing tobacco. We were savages. So then we would we would get all this stuff and just try to get as jacked up as possible on all our homemade and stolen from dumpster paraphernalia and then make funny records. Because we were really big fans of the band Ween. I don't know if you know. I know.

Yeah. So we were really big fans of Ween and we just wanted to make like hilarious records that would that were funny to us while we were like high and you know, just like going crazy. But the weed influence is very obvious in this for anyone who hasn't said to me. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And uh, so God, let's layer. We did this well into our 20s and actually into our 30s. We just

kept making records. And I think we've got 23 records. Yeah, I heard that that's absurd. Maybe 24. It's a lot, but it's not all appropriate to release. So we have to like pick through. It takes a long time to like edit it because we were being kids and we were being terrible a lot of the time. So we have to go through and edit out like things that are not okay to be saying now. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. The Helping Friendly podcast explores the music and fan experience of fish through interviews

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And it's a pretty good example of what Goatslayer is like. And yeah, I'm that's what eventually became Big Dump face, which was like the more serious version of Goatslayer. Yeah, real head. That's probably, I might be like, you're heavy. I mean, there's there's some stuff in the biscuit, but that is probably your heaviest stuff. Yeah, the second Big Dump face record, the one that I put out in 2017 was, it's probably the

heaviest record I've done, you know, like constant like and blast beats and everything. So I love metal so much. Like I, I love metal, but I make fun of it at the same time, but I love it. So I want to do it really well, but I also want to like take some of the more ridiculous parts of metal that exists. Like when people are just too over the top and like poke fun of them a little bit.

And also like, like kind of get into like the like get way into the satanic side of metal and like push that to the limits, but Big Dump face has just been such a great project to do that with. And then throwing a couple of clips, so tracks, because I'm a big fan of like Exotica and Calipso and Harry Belafonte. And you know, I love Tiki bars. I'm like crazy about like all the music they play at Tiki bars. And I love the island sort of sound and steel drums. And so I love

incorporating that into metal. That's crazy. That's a, that's a wild inspiration to take from putting it in there. I love that. I think you pointed at it. You are a metalhead, because you can point fun at it. You know, like that's, I think that's part of it. That's part of being in the metal in the metal community is like, yeah, it's fun. It's like when you have it, but no one

else is. Well, people, I mean, like when you take like a band like Man of War, for instance, it's like so over the top or nitro is so over the top that you go like, how can you not, there's so committed and it's so over the top and it's so like amazing, but also cringey at the same time in so many ways that it just becomes this thing where you're like, I love it. I love you. Yeah, the you will look good for it. The clenched set of bits did it. Yeah, I love it so much.

So I think it's okay to do a metal record that you're serious about it, but you're also poking fun at it and poking fun at myself and also kind of breaking the fourth wall and like letting people know that I'm in on the joke, I guess. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it generally does. With all those projects and a lot of them kind of leaning more on the instrumental side of things. Yeah, the stuff that I do is a solo artist just with my name attached

to it. Yeah, more instrumental. Yeah. With that, I mean, you just put out something with West Portland not too long ago. Yeah, the astral hand. Astral hand, that's right. And it's all instrumental. It's like, it's really got like a like a cool vibe, like almost like a tool style kind of vibe to some of it and it just kind of, it kind of paints a picture without words, you know, and I love that.

That's how that's how an instrumental album should be. Yeah, I just had the question. Well, there are some vocals, but they're all done through vocoder or like heavily affected, you know, types kind of things. That's kind of one of the rules of that. When I do things by myself, the vocals need to be like obscured in some way or done in some way other than what the normal way would be, I guess. I bring that up to ask the question. Have you ever thought about doing

like scoring for movies or TV shows or anything like that? Oh, man, all the time. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's something that I would love to live out my later days as guilt when when the shows are over. Yeah. And the time has come. I would love to have transitioned into doing that. I mean, I've done a bunch of scoring. I've worked with Charlie Clouser, who was in the keyboard player for nine inch nails for a long time on movies. I did several the saw movies

and resident evil movies. I did some scoring on the underworld movies. I love scoring, especially for horror because it's just so easy. It's just like it's just right up my alley. So it's, I love doing that. And I would love to do that in the future and make more of a career out of that and transition from that from rock into scoring. Yeah, that's right. I mean, Danny Alffman is like you know, of course, trim res there are doing that. And they're, you know, yeah. And it seems

like, yeah, it seems like I mean, we mean sinister. We're on something for the wanted with that Danny Alffman did. I don't even know if he ended up using it to be honest. We showed up and we showed up. Steve Bartek was working with us on our self-dialled record for that little piece of having stuff, a bunch of stuff. And it was very, oh, and go, blingo inspired. But yeah, so we went in and we played some stuff for him. And to this day, I have no idea if he ended up using

it. You actually worked with Danny Alffman. That's awesome. We worked with Steve and Danny Alffman came in. Danny Alffman came in one day or like well, it was only one day that he came in for like about a half hour and just like listening to it. And I tell this story before, but Brian kind of stuck his foot in his mouth a little bit with Danny the first time he met him. I mean, you got to remember, we were like in our early 20s at this time. And Danny's like, he's listening

or something like that. And he's talking with Steve about what, you know, what happens next in the song. And then Brian's like, you know what you should do. And Danny immediately turns around and goes, oh yeah, what should I do? What should I do? Oh, no. Well, that's not nice. It was fun. I mean, I think I think it was just, I mean, really, like, oh no, it's your project,

whatever. It was, it was, it was, I mean, I don't think that age is, you know, like age or inexperience aren't don't, you know, make you instantly more creative than another person or right. I don't think so. Yeah. I always try to keep an open mind to other people's opinions.

And a lot of the times, I think that becoming a person that's a musician who's, it has a lot of experience and has worked a lot and is an older musician listening to younger people is, is really important because I'm not seeing things through their eyes, you know, and if they can see something that I don't, I think that's a mistake to shut somebody down. Yeah. I think he already kind of knew what he wanted. I don't know, man, it was just kind of, yeah. This day, I mean, he ended

up be nice and stuff like that after that. It was totally good. It was, it was like at the beginning, he was like, oh, okay, okay. And you never know what, what was going on in his head that day. You know, he's got like 10,000 projects going on at a time, you know? Sure, sure. I don't do that, I don't do that stuff enough. You know, like, I don't promote this show well enough. I got to be honest. Like, we, I enjoy doing it. It's a passion thing. You know, like,

I'm sure spacey bras for you. Yeah. You get to, I mean, are you doing this on Twitch ever? Or are you? It's just YouTube and, and where people listen to podcasts. But yeah, I know, I was on spacey bra and you couldn't make it that day. I don't know what happened. Yeah, I couldn't, no, I was, I was traveling. I could make it that day. Yeah. I was, I had a lot of fun. I had a lot of fun with Bobby and Josh. I was not expecting to be on there for the three

hours that I was on. You weren't for three hours? I was on for three hours. And I drank an entire bottle of tequila because it was national margarita day. Is that, is that the, that's on the podcast that Jacob really drunk on? No, that was a different one where he called me at, they, Bobby called me up. He's all dude. Jake is hammered. Yeah, Jacob hammered and they fell asleep. Completely fell asleep on the podcast. Just out. Yeah. Lights out. It was amazing. So good. So let's talk a

little, this is an easy transition into it, man. Spacey, really cool shit. Like, again, mutual friend and Bobby Shibinsky who's been on the show. I've been on spacey bra. Everyone can find that on Twitch and correct me from wrong podcast. You guys released the audio as a podcast, too, right? Yeah, but it's mostly like right now. It's mostly, we do it so much now, but it's just like a twitch thing. That's where the action is. Get involved. Get in the chat. Subscribe.

Come on the show. We have people on, we bring people on randomly. It's just a, it's a free for all. And we have a really good time. We just got done doing this huge road to LA battle of the bands. And we were down to the last two bands. Now, who are going to come to LA and perform live on June 3rd and then get judged by our chat when we're live on who the winner is. So, and they get a full, they get a full record deal. They get a full merch deal with Black Craft Cult. They get a spot on

one of Danny Wimmer's festivals like to play a lot. They get the whole deal, the whole package, like the classic old old school record deal across the board where they get everything. So, it's been really cool to do this and to find all these great bands. Yeah. It really sad to see a bunch of them go. We've got really a catch. So, you're dipping your toes in that judge, I mean, over the last, what, let's call it 10 years, all these musical judging shows. I mean, there's been

a, there's been a shit ton of them. Yeah. And they're all super popular. You ever see yourself sitting in the chair and turning around at some point? Is that, I mean, why am right now? And I'm very, like, I'm the Simon Cowell of the show. Like, people don't like Cowell Honest, I am about stuff, and I like break it down in a way. That's just supposed to do. They're always comfortable with. But yeah, I just call things as I see them and I try to give constructive criticism.

It's just there. We've got some, we've had some real stinkers and we've had some just amazing mind blowing bands that I cannot believe are unsigned. And our last two bands, I believe it's a widow 7 and another band called Speed of Light. Widow 7's and older, or like very put together, band, whereas Speed of Light is, it's 3 siblings and they're 14, 16 and 17. And they're so good. They sound like refused meets like the misfits meets Janus Schropplin. They're, that's a, that's a

whole new album right there. Yeah. And they're the way they approach every song's good. And I told them, I said, yeah, look, if, I go, whether you win this or not, I'll produce your record and we'll get you a deal and figure this out because you guys are just so good. So. Well, that's nice. That's cool though. Yeah. And obviously you love it. So that's, that's fucking, that's great. I love them. They're so good. I can't wait. I got to go check them out now. I'm not all

calling it right now. Speed of light. Okay. Yeah. Speed of light and they've got a, they've got a great mess of YouTube videos of them playing a live sort of showcase kind of thing. And I would, I would recommend Speed of Light. The song would be Kill the Vibre is, which is a funny song title. Anyway, but it's, yeah, Kill the Vibre is great song. That's what they've led with. That was like their best foot forward song. So what, what, what made you start this, this Twitch feed with

Bobby and and friends quarantine. Yeah. Like I, I, I, I wanted to start a merge company. So I, I've been good friends with Joe Letz from Comby Christ and you know, Joe at all. I, yeah, I, I've met him. I met him. You know who he is. Yeah. Yeah. So I've been friends with Joe for a long time. My other band, Black Light Burns supported Comby Christ a bunch and I, I met Joe on that tour and I, he's been doing his, uh, fucksly merch for a long time. And I said, hey, I want to,

you know, we're in quarantine. I'm losing my mind. I've been drawing a lot and painting a lot. And I want to start a T-shirt company. And he goes, I should connect you with Bobby, you know, just Blackcraft. And we got on a call and Bobby went, yeah, let's do, let's, let's talk. So I, uh, started talking to Bobby. He's like, I got this new thing I want to do called Space Zebra. It's like a new merch company. It's gonna be like Blackcraft 2.0. And we want to like work with bands and artists

and form this whole community of, he didn't even know what it was going to be at that point. And, um, I know Bobby, he just kind of goes for shit too. He's like, yeah, I love that. He's just like, yeah, he's like, let's just try this and figure it out. Yeah. What I would, I'm in 100%. Let's go. So he started, uh, work, I, I just started drawing and sending him all these merch designs. And he goes,

let's do a podcast and have us like, let's make this a merch company and a podcast. So we started doing the podcast and then, um, uh, Ronnie from Falling In Reverse was like, uh, you gotta do Twitch. You guys are wasting your time. Gotta come over to Twitch, start doing Twitch. Yeah. Cause we were doing a trend, do Patreon, all these different things. Trying to prepare a producer, Jake and, you know, all this stuff and he's like, you gotta just start doing Twitch. That's where it's

at. And once we started doing that, we were like, this is where we're supposed to be. And it's not a podcast anymore. It's a show. And then we've got all this really cool stuff happening and we're getting, uh, you know, people investing in it now. And it's just, it couldn't, it's, it's like, like, just, it's like snowballing at this point. We're so excited by that. It's like become its own monster. So we're so stoked. Yeah. No, I, and I know a little bit of what the inner

workings are. You were talking about there. They're exactly about it. What, what you guys are coming up really soon. It's going to be really, really something special. Yeah. We're, we're going to announce all that stuff on June 1st, I think. Okay. Cool. Like everything that's going on in the direction that the, well, you know, if it's going to be June 1st, we're not going to release that until after then. So we could talk a little bit about, you could pretend

it's on. Yeah. Danny Wimmer presents. DWP has bought us as a show. Yeah. They're the, they're the top, you know, promoters for all the, they do the top shows in the US, like, Locke and Miracville and, you know, we've worked with Danny over the incarceration. Sure. Yeah. So Danny actually is from Jacksonville, Florida. And he, uh, Limpitz could play our first shows at his club in Jacksonville. When I was like 20 years old, we were playing shows at Danny Wimmer's club before he was, you know,

he was named like, and Jacksonville, the, the melt bar, melt bar. I don't think, milk bar, the Danny owns, yeah. I think by the time we were in Jacksonville clubs, I don't think that was, that was there anymore. You're probably playing like free bird, free bird. Yeah. You're playing stuff like that. But, um, yeah, Danny, uh, just turned like, we've known him. He, he was instrumental in getting the biscuit signed and like, introducing us to the people that signed us and

our managers and everything. Um, but, uh, he, Danny, when I was like 18 and struggling to like, get a, like, have, hold down a job while I was also trying to like, do a band and, like, getting a portfolio together for art school, he let me mop the floors at the melt bar as a job after they closed. Like, I've known him for so long. So to be in business with him now is

amazing. Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah. It's great. How this just sort of like life comes for full circle and, and it's going to be, it's like, I know it's its own channel now, but I, I understand like the, the format of the new channel is going to be different, right? There's going to be, um, you'll still be doing your spacey, bris stuff, and there's going to be a lot of other shows are

going to go throughout that those days. Correct. So we're going to have, um, shows that highlight, still highlight, like, on-side bands and, um, then, and then we're going to have, you know, shows where we have a guest on an interview them, like what we're doing now. Yep. Um, and then we'll have a thing that I'm doing called Rift Wars, where I'm getting a rig together. I'm actually, I've got a line six, gave me a helix. Have you met her? I haven't met her at all.

But you know what it is. It's like a, but I'm going to use that and just plug kind of like, combine my microphone and the helix into a mixer and then put that into, like, discord or whatever we're using to zoom or whatever you're using a stream with like this and go toe to toe with like people who want to try to go against me and write better rifts than I write. That's right. That's

a great concept. And then give them, like, give them, let the chat vote on who did the, who's the best, had the best riff and we'll do that and I'll go like, I'll, I'll play a riff and then they'll play a riff and then I'll play a different riff and I don't know what the, we haven't made up the rules yet. Like, I don't know if it's, if I can use old rifts or if I got to make up new rifts, I don't think that anybody that comes at me are going to be making up new

rifts on the spot. So maybe I'll just pull old rifts out. I don't know. It'll be like a shootout. Yeah. No, it sounds a little bit of what was that movie? Crossroads or the guitar, the guitar crossroads except not, I'm not, it's, it's riff based. So that's not, not blue solos. No, we're not going to do like, like, I actually learned the crossroads solo that like Ralph Machier does and I still can't get it right. I'm just not a fast player. So I can't out solo

anybody, but I can definitely outrift them, I think. So it'll be riff wars and we'll see what happens. I'll definitely be checking that out because that sounds like, that sounds like a lot of fun too. Like, you seem to be like a pretty good sport about stuff if the chat says, yeah, I don't care if I lose. And how cool would that be for a fan to be like, yeah, I fucking outrift Westport. That's a cool opportunity you're giving out there, man. I look forward to becoming a dinosaur.

Let's do this. Outrift me. Bobby's been asking me or been telling me about Twitch for a while now. Brando, our other mutual friend has been like, oh, you got to go over there. You got to go over there. And I'm just, I'm old man. I'm like, old school on it. I'm like, now you're not. I look to you up. You're like 10 years younger than me. Yeah, but I probably, my liver's a little bit older. I'm sure. I don't think so. All right. Fair enough.

Down it. Down. Just drink coffee. That protects your liver. Oh, does it? Yeah. Okay. Cool. I'll drink more coffee. It's like a net and then just do lots of antioxidants drink kombucha. Oh, I do. I do mess with Cam Bucha for sure. Yeah. But yeah, we, I forget where I was going with that. So we'll just move on. Let's go to another subject. Let's talk about now. You're going to ask when you guys are playing again. We don't really know right now. It's we're still playing this year.

No, it's not going to be this year. We still have a record that we're finishing up and doing stuff with. And there's a lot of moving parts and pieces. We'll get it figured out. We'll get back out. Just there's no timeline right now. Well, that's I'm sure your fans are on the edge of their seats. Oh, yeah. I started this project a little over two years ago now. It's kind of figuring it out as I went. So this wasn't done due to quarantine. You didn't go.

You were going to like us do to have to do a podcast. We're a music who have nothing else to do. No, I'm just going to lose our minds. I'm just an extrovert and I'm friends with a lot of guys in the industry. And that's kind of where it started obviously. As yourself, I interviewed more guys like you. Some other friends from tours I've met across and stuff. I truly started to enjoy doing it.

It started out as it was going to be like a almost cooking cocktail show that we were putting on an adventure on the YouTube channel. But then the hangs were getting so long when people were coming over and person and stuff and we were hanging. I was like, man, I would really like to not have to edit all this. And it's like, I didn't know what podcasts were. I mean, I knew the word podcasts, but I didn't really know what they were until Brando turned beyond to it.

And then we're like, well, let's make this a fucking podcast. Let's start swarving. And we didn't do that until about a year ago. We've only been doing like this iteration of the show for about a year. So, but yeah, that was, it's been fun. I mean, that's the whole thing. I'm just an extrovert. I like to meet people that I know very, like not know very well, but meet people of cross paths was a bunch. You know, we mentioned that we've been on a lot of festivals together.

We actually did one show that wasn't even a festival. That was like in Connecticut, I want to say. But I don't think you were in the band at the time. Was it between 2001 and 2005? Ish? No. No, it was later than that because we were, you know what? You were there because it was, I think Mike Portnoy was playing with us at the time is after the Revit past, I want to say. Oh, okay. Okay. It might have been. Yeah, and now you guys got Brooks Wackerman, right? Yeah, do you know Brooks Wackerman?

Let's just say we know the show. Yeah, he played on, he was playing on the John Davis record that I worked on from Korn. John Davis did Black Rap Labyrinth. I've Brooks was playing drums for that. So I got to jam with him a little bit. I find out about new projects from that guy. He's a brother. He's the dude in my fucking band. There's always a new project that I didn't know he was a part of. He's just done everything.

Well, a lot of people came through that project that John was working on at the time. But yeah, Brooks, what a great drummer. And he played in Pennywise, right? No, no, no. That religion, right? Yeah, that's where he was for 16 years before we stole him. I had to get back on the show and talk to him about it. I was like, hey, are we good? Because we stole Brooks. He's like, oh, man, we knew he was going on to better things.

You know, whatever he said it, you know, it was a. Who's playing for bad religion now? That's a great question. I forget who what his name is. I think he was in... Was he the same? Somebody else. No, Brooks. It's not Brooks. He was another punk rock drummer who had really good dude. And plays like a monster. I mean, you just have to in that punk rock world. There's just so many great drummers. But... So, Brooks, he's doing the drums on the new record. So he's the full number.

He's the full member. He's full member when we brought him over and we did the stage together. It's the only record he's been on, but he's on this new one too. He's a life for us, man. He's contributed so much musically and personally, just like hanging out with that dude, as he said, he know him a little bit. He's got the weirdest, quirky sense of humor. And like, it's so funny. Like, I don't even know how to describe it. Super dry. Super dry and shy, but still super funny.

I don't really know how to describe it. Do you have any good stories from working with him? Um, I... Like, it was sort of like... Man, I don't remember working on that record that much. Like, I remember a little bit of it, but I was going in and just... I mean, I work really fast. And I'm usually just concerned with what I'm doing. Yeah. And I'd go in and just try to do the best job I can. I'd be going like my effects and like, my echoplexing and stuff like that. And I remember him being there.

We jammed a little bit. But most of the time when I work on other records, I'm in sort of a reactionary state. So I'm like, what's the song? What can I do when I'm coming into play on someone else's record or coming into like, support somebody else's band and be a part of it? When it's not my project, I just go like, let me react. Like, so I come in and I just do a bunch of stuff really fast, as fast as I can. And be spontaneous and they go, great, we got it. And I'm like, okay, bye.

Yeah, I leave. So I'm just like, in and out, this fast as possible. But no, I really always enjoyed working with Brookes. And I think that I did like one other thing with him. But I meant him, I believe, for the first time through Josh Fries, I want to say. Yeah, that would be sent from Josh. And Josh grew up together and really tight. Yeah, I mean, I've worked with Josh a lot more than Brookes. But and Josh is hilarious. So that makes sense too, because they're both like comedians.

Like, I think Josh is as funny as he is good on drums. Which is the saying a lot. And I would agree. I mean, he was on the show. And he shows up, it was virtual. Josh Fries was on your show? Yeah, he was on the show. And he came on, yeah, because I mean, I've been friends with him. We didn't warp tours and stuff together. And you know, we, I've become to know him a little bit better now than I ever did on warp tour. I was closer to Joe Escalante, the singer of the Vandals, bass player.

And then, yeah, he came on and I didn't know what to expect. He was virtual just like this. And he's got this green screen kind of thing going on of his, of his, of his poodle behind him. Yes, poodle, yeah. It was just fun. It was just fun. And it's like, when you watch that episode back, it was a nightmare for Brando over here to edit, because it's like not a good, it was like one of those digital backscreens. So anytime he moved, he'd like vanish for a minute and stuff, it was really funny.

Yeah, we deal with that with Josh Balls all the time, because Josh Balls has a green screen behind him, and it says Spacey Bruh. That's funny, because I see that with, I think when I was on, he was in the, he was in the bathroom. I think he'd been, he'd been. Oh, yeah, he was in the bathroom times. I remember that. Yeah. No, Josh is so funny. I love it. Josh, he played on the first, all the drums on the first Black, Black Burns record.

My other band, Black, Black Burns, he on the record cruel melody. Josh played all the drums, and he was so funny the whole time. But he really like, Josh is known for, there's sort of like, these urban legends that Josh goes into a session, and he won't listen to the song. He'll just say, just hit record. Like if he's going to play for like Avril Lavigne or something like that, he goes, I already know what the song's going to be like, just hit record, not just play.

And he'll go in and just like, go, cha, cha, cha, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and just nail, because he knows when everything's coming. He knows what the setups are going to be. It's all to a click, and he just goes into drum sessions. And they're like, how did you know what the song was going to be like? And he's like, dude, come on. I know what the song structure is going to be. I'm going to nail it.

But for me, and because also Danny Loner from Nine-inch Nails was producing that record, and Danny and Josh and I, Danny and Josh have been friends for a really long time, and Danny worked on the perfect circle records. And I've known Danny for, I don't know, Jesus Christ, I've been with Danny for 20 years. Wow. Oh my god, I'm so old. Did you guys just meet through the festivals or festivals? No, Danny and I met at the galsons on Franklin Boulevard in Los Felos in 2001.

That is a random place to meet someone. Yeah, he was coming out. I was going into galsons to go grocery shopping, and I lived in Los Felos at that time, and he was coming out, and he goes, oh, fuck, it West Portland. What's up, dude?

He just goes, like, hey, man, I don't know if you, you fucking hit my guts or whatever, because I know our singer yelled at you, hate slim biscuit, or whatever, with that fucking video where he smashed friends face, but I fucking love you in the drama, and let's hang out. Wow. I was like, okay, I don't know if you understood that. That was my Danny letter impression. No, I did. I was, I mean, I don't know Danny personally, so I don't know how spot on that impression was or not.

No, he's like, Danny's like, I mean, people like compared him to the Tasmanian devil from the Bugs Bunny, he's like Tasmanian devil, or he's got social Tourette's, like, to where he, like, immediately, like, put, like, turns people off, because, like, right away, he just goes, like, and he just starts, we're involving, like, whatever's coming out of his brain, but, um, that's what he did to me, and I was just like, I love this guy.

So we became friends immediately, and started working together, on all kinds of stuff. The first thing we did was, we did an M&M remix at Billy Howardale from a perfect circle studio, and that never came, never came out. But that's like the first time we worked together. Do you think you could find that again and get it put back out? I have it. I've got the song. Those, maybe we'll just, I'll just send it to you, you can just drop it on this show.

I don't know if we'll get in trouble or what will happen. Well, definitely be getting in trouble. But, yeah, I'll see if I can, if I can dredge it up out of the archives here. But, um, yeah, I just, Danny's so great. I met Josh through him. So they, them together are like, they're just hilarious, because they just feed off each other.

Josh does this whole, like, at the time he was doing the thing called the Mile, Mile High Food Club, where he would do photos on Facebook and Instagram of his cocktail on a plane and his food set up all around the toilet and the sink and an airplane bathroom. I see that. And the hashtag Mile High Food Club. He started doing it again, I think. I was doing it again. I think I don't think the cocktails are involved anymore. But I, no, no, he's sober now.

But yeah, he still puts a drink there and then puts his like, turkey sandwich and like his crackers around the sink and he's like, hey, what's up, Mile High Food Club? That's so good. And the other, the video, my favorite video of his was where he was like, because he's, you know, placed for sting now. So he's set and traveling all the time. And he's like, hey, the whole thing with the, like, the mini bar where he's like, can you come give me more KitKats?

And, and then he like takes his, like, he, I don't know, his videos are so funny where he takes all the French fries. He's like, these French fries are so good. I got to flush them down the door. I'm gonna eat all of them. I'm like, I just, I don't know. I'm such a big fan of Josh's social media presence. Yeah, no, he's got a great one. He's so good. Yeah. I like the image and have been instinct there too, man. That's, that's so cool. Like, I mean, I got to talk to him a little bit about that.

But I saw them rehearsing. Yeah. I guess I got shows coming up soon. Oh, that's great. Yeah, we got to see, Sting did like a friends and family show at the Roxy. I got to go see Sting at the Roxy. You just, I mean, he's just perfect. He's of course an older guy, but he's just, he's in like yoga shape and he's got his little table with his tea and his like notes and just playing bass and just, just, just killing it. And then Josh is just the perfect drummer anyway. Yeah, the fucking genius stuff.

Well, I mean, Josh is the perfect one. When you just hear songs like Walking on the Moon and stuff and what's the other one? The one that's like an 11 or something. There's a song that's on, on his solo stuff. Like a police, oh, Josh's stuff. No, no, no, of Sting's stuff. Oh, Sting's stuff that's in 11. I can't remember what the fucking song is called. It's going to drive me nuts. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll. Does anyone primus have a song called 11? Oh, they have on sale and seize.

Yeah. Yeah. Sailing and seize. Oh, I love primus, by the way. I could definitely hear some of. I love primus so much. In your plane, I could definitely hear some of the inspiration. I mean, like in songs. Oh, absolutely. Like less people is my favorite. Like my new PRS just made me a new four string guitar. Because I play these, I play six string guitars, but I also play four string guitars. They're tuned like A, A, DG. It's an A from a bass and then A, DG from a guitar.

Oh, wow. And Kailer made, I'll grab it. Oh, yeah, I definitely got to see that. I didn't know that that was a thing. Because I mean, when I first saw you do a nookie and you're doing the tap, the nookies, nookies and four string guitar. But PRS just maybe this, which has like the primus, Kailer made this custom for this guitar, which is like the less, it's a bass, basically like a bass saddle and then a three guitar saddles. And these are guitar pickups here and here, but that's a bass pickup.

And then it has two outputs. That's so funny. I have a, I have a, my signature, I have a guitar pickup. But you do. Yeah. That's awesome. I like fan of like lightning bolt. Have you ever heard of lightning bolt before? Uh, not familiar now. It's a, it's a two piece band that it's a drummer and a bass player. But he plays through like a wall of like Marshall stacks. There are a lot like death, death from above 1979. Okay. Which is, which is what, you know, just bass and drums and vocals.

But and he plays through like a huge bass sound where he's got guitar amps and bass amps. And it's just like, wow. But a lightning bolt, the guy has like two bass strings and then two high guitar strings. So on his bass. So he's playing like shit at the same time that's, that's guitar. And it's just so much distortion. It's just like, but lightning bolt, that band, they never play on a stage. They always play on the floor of whatever venue they're doing.

So if they're opening for another band, they set up out on the floor in the middle of the crowd with no barricades. That's it. They just put up, they just have a drum kit and then a giant wall of like amps and the bass player, bass guitar player who's just playing a bass with like bass and guitar strings on it. That's kind of the inspiration to you. That bands so good. Yeah, I love Les Claypool. This, if he, if Les Claypool didn't exist, this wouldn't exist.

Because I just love, I love limitations. Like when you take a guitar and knock it down to four strings and you have to, you know, especially when two of the strings are the same note, but an octave apart, your brain like approaches things differently. Yeah, you have to. Yeah, and I think limitations are so important for creativity.

And the more like whenever I do a project, I try to, because at this point in my life, I have access to so much gear, because I'm a super gear nerd and gear head that I have to go, yo, you can't use this on this record. You can only use these like few things and that's it. Don't go outside of that. This is what you're allowed to use. These are rules you can't break. And I think it makes it better. Like I love, yeah, yeah, yeah, so much because they're so simple and what they use.

You know, when you just have limited things to work with, because I've spent time in the studio with people who just, oh my god, they just go forever and ever like going to get the plug in or we're going to use on this. What, what sound do we want? And it's like, just pick one, it doesn't matter. Let's just go. I want to play already. I'm ready to track it now midnight. Yeah, they're like, there's this sound better or does this sound better? It's like it sounds, they both sound fine.

Let's just get on with it. Let's go and finish this because no one cares what that's going to sound like. Like it's both ways it's fine. But I just, that's why I like limitations. Because I like time limitations too. Like let's do this. Most of the records I do, I do them in better solo. I try to do it in six weeks. Wow, from the start to where the last track is mixed. So to where it's just done. From the first song being written to the last track being mixed.

I just like that time frame because that captures a moment because when records go on for too long, I at least try to shoot for that. And if I go over a little bit fine, but it's like when records go on, like for instance, the most notorious Chinese democracy, Guns and Roses record, that went on for like a decade. When you, I've listened to that record and every song sounds different. You can tell it was done at a different time.

Yeah, or different, you know, there's too many different people involved. It becomes like Josh was on there too. They go back to Josh. Josh, he sure was. And he told me a story about like Axel coming in, like breaking all the computers and like freaking out. His Courtney Love stories are really good too. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to tell those or not, but man, those are great. But he worked on, I mean, you can imagine what it's like for another Courtney Love record.

Yeah, no, I mean, a lot of people can find the imagination. But we'll talk about that behind close stories. Yeah, there's one story I can tell. I'll just tell part of it where Josh said to me, he's like, he was like Courtney came in. It was a Sunday and she was not coming in the studio a lot. And we were sort of like spinner or wheels. But she came in and her personal assistant came to me and said, do you remember, okay, do you know the breast drop sugarfish? Yes, of course. She loves sugarfish.

Okay, before sugarfish was sugarfish, it was called nozawa. And there was just one of them. And it was on Venture Boulevard in Studio City. Yeah. And this was when this was pretty sugarfish. So he said the assistant comes in and goes, hey, like Courtney's feeling really good today. We're putting in an order for nozawa. Do you want anything from nozawa? And it was a Sunday. And he goes, he goes number one, nozawa doesn't do take out a number two. They're not open on Sunday.

And he said watching the assistant's face just go, and just like she like watching her die inside when he told her that he was like, it was just like amazing. I've never seen somebody just like melt in front of me. Oh my god. Because he knew that she was going to have to go back to Courtney. And tell her it was nozawa. Nozawa's not open today and they don't do deliveries. So. Oh my god. Poor girl. Poor girl, guy. Was a girl. That was a girl. Yeah, poor girl.

You mentioned, we just talked about projects that are lasting along and I don't mean to sound crash on that. But I know that there was the stampede of the disco elephants. That was supposed to be seen with Limpus. A long time ago. What happened there? What's the thing? So biscuit has been in the studio for we probably in the last 10 years been in the studio to try to complete a record.

I want to say seven times to different studios and we've been working on stuff, working on stuff, working on stuff. And Fred has been consistently unsatisfied with where the vision is, I guess. OK. So we've released singles like we did Ready to Go. And we did another single called Endless Slotter that we put out. But he's sort of been like, I think that he's just getting to the point now. We probably have 35 songs recorded, instrumentally.

And he's done vocals on them and then thrown the vocals away. Done vocals and then go fuck this, throw it away. So I think he's finally at the point now where he's going to pick a set of these songs that he's finally cool with and finish him. And we're going to finish a record. So figures crossed. Do you have any idea with that time? I would be obviously it's not going to happen before these shows since we're only a vocalist. No, it's not going to happen before these shows.

No, man, I'm not in charge of Fred's vocals. Amen. I know how that goes. Yeah, whatever you want to say. I've been coming down with my parts on this record for a while now. And so it's just... Yeah, yeah. No, I'm way done with my parts on the record. So I'm sure I'll go back and play a little bit more after. Yeah. But, you know, it's fucking Fred Ders. He's, you know, he went from being like a darling to everybody's like most hated person in the world. We broke up as a band.

He's, you know, trying to find his footing, I think, on a bunch of these songs. He's so talented and I love him so much as a brother. But he's not ready to do it. He's not ready to do it. Yeah. And you can't force these kind of things. You really can't. Yeah, whatever. I mean, I force him all the time and I, my whole thing is like I force things and I, but I'm happy to make mistakes and get embarrassed and go like, oh, I shouldn't have done that. But I just like to put stuff out.

But, you know, he's a perfectionist. So we'll see when, when, when he's ready to do it, I doubt it'll be called Stampede of the Disco Elephants at that point. Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, I'm looking forward to it. I don't know. I'm going to do issues, all the fans are. I want to go back to the game. I will definitely say, I will definitely say that like the, like the risks and the music and it's like, it's the best stuff I've ever done as a musician, I think.

Like the, I'm so pleased with, with the direction of the music went and I love what we did as a band. So, and I've heard a bunch of his sort of demo vocals over the stuff and they're great. So I have no doubt that he's going to come and, and bring it and that it's going to be a great record. Well, let me ask you about that. So it sounds like the process for you guys and correct if I'm wrong here is you'll do the music and then he puts his thing over it.

Yeah. When you guys are doing the music, do you already have the melodies kind of figured out and then he's doing his thing or is it, you just go, here's the music, you make the melodies. Like what, what, what's the process there? Well, a lot of the time, I'll, like a lot of the song titles come from working titles.

A lot of the lyrics come from like, I'll name a song, like I'll give a song like a working title when we're working on the music and then he'll take a lot of the times he's taking the working title and turn that into the song lyrics. So like break stuff and nookie were both like working titles. Really? Yeah, for this and he ended up going like, like I'm like I'm going to like sort of like bounce off of that, like write the lyrics off of the working title and like make the song based around that.

Full Nelson was a working title, he never says full Nelson in the lyrics but it was a working title. But stalemate was a working title that there are just lots of, he'll just pick stuff up and we like sort of bounce ideas off of each other, lyrically in the studio a lot. But yeah, it's always, I mean, tool does the same thing, they do music first and then vocals after music first, after like a lot of bands do that, not comparing us to tool. But no, but I mean, it's the process, right?

Everyone has a different process. I like the mentioned working titles, there's songs like, you know, almost easy that we've put out that definitely was, was Jimmy singing, you know, bumbling, it's almost easy and Matt coming back to it and going, that's where I'm going to base the song, the lyrics around. And you know, it's just, it's funny that that's a similar way that that's happened sometimes.

As much as there's differences in the way that our bands work, there's always going to be some similarities, I guess, when you're in the same genre, right? Yeah, when you're creative, in a creative process and have a bunch of people working together to achieve a, a, an goal, you're going to just have little happy accidents. Wherever you're listening to this podcast, make sure you're subscribed and leave us a five-star review. If you want to listen to this show, add free.

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That just, things just fall into place and then it's weird to like look at them later and go like, uh, and for people to like analyze it and go like, oh wow, this happened and that happened and that's how that became a thing. But it's just like, nah, it just accidentally happened and that's why the song, you know, turned out that way. It wasn't like some big revelation. It just, we just did it. Yeah. You know? That's always the thing that blows a lot of people's minds.

It's like, oh, that was just like, okay. That's how that happened. That was it. Just what, okay, let's do that. Because when they're listening to it over and over, they're thinking about every little note, every little thing that's going into it, you know, it's just so wild to be on the other side of that. I wanted to go back to some of the early stuff though for you. Limp Bizkit, I, my first introduction to you guys was I want to say the faith cover, but you guys were on MTV Spring Break.

I think that was the first time I saw you guys. I saw the spectacle that, you know, all your costumes and stuff that's where it started was a huge fan of $3 bill. So, significant other was like this polished version that was like your first polished record, right? Like, we know Bill had this riddiness to it. And then I remember seeing you guys out with like the family values tour with Corn. And I mean, this stuff was massive when MTV was a thing. I mean, it's still a thing, you know what I mean?

Like back then, it was like, sure. Yeah, sure. So, you know, everything's like, hitting hard. What was some of the early years like for you? Like, let's go take a trip down memory lane and talk me through some of the fun stuff that happened for you guys early on.

I mean, as when I first found out that we were getting signed and doing a record and stuff, I never thought that things were ever going to go further than just, you know, I thought we'd have a couple of years or a few years of like doing this and then it would fizzle out and then we'd go, oh, that's when I'll go to art school. And like, because my whole thing was I wanted to be, I wanted to do like monster makeup and special effects in movies.

That's I wanted to be obviously where that inspiration for your stage look comes from. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So I want to be a big war fan then I can assume maybe maybe a big. I was a war fan. I don't like war that much now, but I like war back in the old days. I like like green jello and all those bands and the stuff that they were doing. But I just loved horror movies and science fiction movies and that's what I wanted to work on as an artist and to create monsters basically.

But so I was like, oh, you know, we're getting signed. I'll just do this for a couple of years and then I'll go to school and try to start working on movies and in the special effects department behind the scenes. So but then it got just hit and we started doing. It took off like crazy, man. Like it was just like crazy. It was just like, what is happening? I just remember my parents going like, like, remember, you need to have a backup plan and I'm like, dad, I have a backup plan. It's fine.

I love those conversations with their parents who are very supportive, but they still are like, you know, that it might not work. Make sure that you have a backup plan because what you're trying to do, people don't succeed in it. And I'm like, I know, dad, I know. But you know, they, I remember them like more and more just going like, wow son, this is, this is like seems like it's happening. This is, this is wild. And I'm like, yeah, it's happening. I can't believe it. But yeah, it is.

But I mean, we were only a band before we broke up for six years, which is weird. Like for me, it was, I guess when you went together, it was like, how many records was that? It was, it was 95 to, it was three records, 95 to 2001. And then, and then I left the band. I had like after like 9-11 happened and we had a, for me, I think the hardest part was after we had a girl die at our show in Australia. For me, I was it.

I was like, I don't want to, not that it was our fault, but I don't, I was like, I don't want to be part of, I don't want to be part of a force that can, where something like this can happen. Yeah, it's definitely have a, have a moment of like some soul searching. I could only imagine, luckily, you know, knock on wood.

We haven't had anything like that, but even just like kids cracking their heads in the pit, you know, you stop first and get you go like, oh shit, like, yeah, but so she was, like, she was crushed at our show in Sydney. And then she was 16 years older, name was Jessica McEllige and she went into a coma and then we left the tour and went back home and I got the call like two days later that she had died in the hospital. And I was just, we were trying to make a record at the time too.

We'd come home and we were trying to make a record and then 9-11 happened after that. And I was just like, Jesus Christ, I was trying to evaluate my life and go, like, just was kind of, and I also read an article where like, Maynard from Tool just completely, like, shit can't us in this article in compared us to like McDonald's. Sit like we're like, Tool is like fine dining with biscuit is like McDonald's basically. Like, and that's why that's a little harsh.

I remember like all these things like at the same time. So I was reading all these like harsh things about us and these major events were happening. We were like, we're affecting these people's lives, you know, in a negative capacity. And I went, I'm fucking done. I don't want to do this. Like this is grown into something that is too, it's too much and I don't, I think that I'm focusing on the wrong things, but I also had this huge ego at the time where I was like, I'll just start another band.

Fuck you guys. I'll just go start another band and do my own thing and then I spent like three years working on a project that never, that I'd, we'd like never found a singer for, but it was it was a. What was the name of that project? Because I mean, I don't know. That was, that was called Eat the Day. And I ended up last year putting out two, we put out two instrumental records.

Last year, you know, Sans vocals of what we were like working towards, which were basically just like demos, but it was finally, it was nice last year to just put those out and go like, this is what we were working on at the time. What was the response to that, that really? People loved it and then people were like, can I put vocals over this and I went, no, we're like, you sure you can put vocals over it, but I don't want to hear them.

Like we heard enough, because we put the like, how many singers did you go through? Um, I want to say 150. Jesus. I was thinking like, I would have been fucking over it after 10. No, because what we did was we put out snippets, we put out a verse course of like three songs online and just said, submit, like download these links and then submit back to us. Like we opened an email address for submissions and also a PO box.

And then we got a lot of people could send in like CDs, because this was like 2001, 2002. And we're like, here you go. So we would go to our PO box and collect all the like CDs and we got videos. We got some classic DVDs of like people just submitting a sticker. Let me hear one of the more classic ones. Which one of the more classic DVDs it was? Um, there was a guy that did, he didn't, he didn't sing over the songs, but he sent us like a homemade video.

Which one, I don't have it now, but one day I will show it to you, but it was, there were two. And but the best one was this video where it's just these dudes making this crazy long, like their version of Bohemian rhapsody or something where the guitar, they had mullets and the guitar player had like a propane hose hooked up his guitar.

He was like blowing fire out of his, the headstock of his guitar and they were in a like this, you know, but they were in a graveyard and filming it on like a VHS camera and he still had his work shirt on like a, like a polo, like a moment, polo work shirt on with like the name of his company printed out on the shirt playing like a less polo with like fire shooting out and they just, like we got some great stuff from this, but none of it was helpful towards like finding a singer.

But I just, we would sit in the kitchen and just like open a bottle of wine and listen to submission after submission and just go, no, this isn't working. We had enough working with three great guys. We narrowed it down to like three guys that all we flew out and they worked with the band that we got Bob Ezren who did like was one of the producers on the wall from Pink Floyd got involved for a while and he was great.

But he basically just went like all these singers suck and we were like, no, dude, we got, this is all we got. We got to get one of these guys involved in this and he was like, no, these guys are terrible and we're like, okay, and then Danny Loaner got involved again from the task made me a devil got involved and started giving Bob Ezren shit and was just like just because you were in the room and the wall was being recorded.

It doesn't give you the right to come in here and just became like this whole shit show of different personalities. But I mean, it was fine. But anyway, now, so I went back to the band after this whole fiasco and I really got, I got like a dose of humility and like, you know, and I got kind of, I got humbled a little bit, you know, after going like, oh, this is going to be great. This is easy. Let's just go make a record with a new band and my brother will be involved. So it'll be great.

I love his guitar. My brother's a great guitar player and I was just like, this will be easy and it was not. So I got, I like got a whole lesson in like, it's hard to bottle lightning and to find that. Absolutely. I think everyone, I mean, everyone takes that a little bit for granted the first time, the first go around. I feel like you kind of like, oh, nothing can stop us now and, you know, that kind of stuff or nothing can stop me now.

If you will, you know, and I think that that humility that comes in sometimes when you have those moments, you can really learn from them. And I think you have, obviously you have and it seems like you get all these side projects, you get this other outlet that you get to do before you come back to Limp Biscuit, right? And that's like, it's like, yeah, I just, that's the thing is I constantly am doing stuff on the side. And, you know, I love putting out music.

I think that I, you know, my side projects don't really, they're definitely not for any financial gain. They don't like, I'm not, I have my own record label that I'm putting this stuff out on that's, we have distribution through the orchard, which is a great distribution company. And it's just for me, it's just to put stuff out. I just have to do it, you know, and I want to do it.

And it's fun. And even if the only, even if the only thing I'm getting out of it is somebody online going, this is cool. And just writing me that it's like, that's enough for you. Okay. Fine. Yeah. That's worth it. What happened at fucking Woodstock? What was up with that fucking riot?

I think that, I mean, Woodstock was so huge that we didn't really know any, the riots didn't happen until the day after, but then the news put it together because, you know, they had, yeah, they, the ATMs ran out of money. The vendors ran out of water. They were also charging like $11 or $12 for a bottle of water. We just played our set and left. But later we heard all, like, they basically condensed everything that had happened at the festival into just our set. So they would play our set.

And then the news would clip it, like, edit in like the fires that were happening the next day into that. So it was like us playing break stuff, which was, became like the amp of the festival, I guess, for the news. And then just like clipping, putting clips of fires. Oh, that's funny. I didn't realize that. Yeah, it was all just, they spun it. They did a pretty good job. It's winning it because it looked like you guys started that right? That way they spun it. Yeah, we did not. Okay, good.

There's another debunking right here on the show again. Yeah, there you go. I've actually gotten a lot of calls lately about doing with stock documentaries and I've declined. Yeah, you're somewhere apart. I know what you're going to ask. Well, it's just like, no, no, no, it's fine. It's just like, I don't know, man. Like, it was a disaster and I feel terrible about it for anyone that was injured, but also like, don't try to like squeeze people.

Don't like put people in a situation where you're trying to just like make the most money that you possibly can and put people in a situation. It was like fire fest in some ways. Yeah, where they just weren't equipped to deal with, they were trying to make the most money as they possibly could and people aren't going to tolerate that. Yeah, that's what happens, man. We do share a kinship of another sort too. Being on TRL, that obviously does not exist anymore.

We were one of the last, I would call heavy bands to be on TRL, I think, with a back country and everything there. But I mean, that was a huge thing. During the, you know, the heyday of, or not even the heyday, the peak of Limpiske just going crazy, right? Yeah. Those are on TRL all the time with the likes of corn as we talked about before and stuff we've done shows. Yeah, but also with 98 degrees and sink and axioboys and Christina Aguilaren, Beyonce and all the same time as wild.

Talk about crossovers right there. Yeah, that was just such a wild time and music with all the heavy bands we're right alongside a lot of these pop bands. Did you guys, did you guys play TRL before? We played the, we played like MTV New Year's like 99. We like, I think we probably did play TRL once or twice. We did so many things with MTV during that time that, yeah, it was, it was, it was it was always a good experience. They were always super nice. It was always fun.

I don't know, like, I don't know if things were ever party during that time. We were always very serious about just doing a good job and putting on a good show and making sure that, you know, that, you know, it was, we definitely, like for being like, some kids from Florida, we knew we had to step up when it was time to step up and make sure, you know, it's important. It's important. You were doing a good job and then we were taking it seriously.

Yeah. Even though we don't take ourselves too seriously, we do take, you know, putting on shows seriously. I'm the same way, man. I mean, as you can see on these kind of shows, this is where I let out my fucking, my silliness most of the time. Like when it comes to events and when I'm ready to hunker down, that's just, that's just kind of what you do. You take it very seriously. Oh, no. I mean, I'm a comedian on stage. I can't. Oh, on stage, absolutely.

You never know what's going to happen on stage. All our shows are different. Isn't that the fun? Yeah, that's absolutely. Isn't that the fun though to interact with the fans that way? It is. You and me, we don't have, you know, I have a couple background stuff. I'm sure to sing and stuff like that. But it's mostly, that's how I interact with you. It's like my mean to you and having a good time, you know? Yeah, exactly.

And being able to go out and touch, like, I don't know if I'm going to do that anymore, because I've got to wait a little while till the COVID clears, but being able to like interact with people and go out into the crowd and touch people and have that, you know, you know, just use the crowd as part of the show and pull people up on stage and have them like, because we've replaced the whole band.

And before, like once, one time we were, because we will have people come up and play songs in place of members, but one time we replaced the whole band and it was hilarious. How did that work out, man? It was, we were in Tokyo and we, and like, we're like, we can play this song on, on, you can sing this, who can play the drums on this song, who can play bass, who can play guitar, we brought everybody up and just went, okay, go.

And we had a whole like, basically like a cover band playing the song. We just still on the side of the stage and watched them play a song. It was so funny. How did they do? They did fine. It was entertaining. Yeah. It was hilarious and good and all the things that you would want from something like that happening.

Yeah. I mean, we've definitely had, we've, we, we were placed like a member at a time when we do stuff like that where we have, like, have somebody come up and just put in play guitar and play some someone, yeah. You know, like, there was a time I have like a background part that's hilarious because I can't really sing that well. I'm, I'm over a screamer, but I have to like do this one part that's at a high A in the background and I was sick one day and I was like, I can't do it today, Matt.

I'm not going to be able to go over there and do it today and he's like, all right, it's all good. We'll bring up a fan. We just like did the background part. It's great. So some of that shit is fun. You can't, you can't, you can't prep for that. It's so fun. It's so fun. But one other thing I wanted to talk about that I'll let you go. I'm a big wrestling fan and you guys have had a lot of songs throughout with the, with the WWE. I mean, Undertaker came out to roll in for a long time.

Are you a wrestling fan or who in the band was a wrestling fan that, how did that come to be? I'm not. Okay. I have been a fan of like MMA and I actually wrestled in high school. I was like a, the cracko Roman wrestling and I was going, but that's like when you have the ear things on and are, you'd watch professional wrestling and go like, well, that's not wrestling. I mean, I don't know. I think professional wrestling is, it's like theater. Oh, it absolutely is. That's awesome.

Yeah, I mean, they're putting on like a big, a big thing and I definitely, you know, I love a lot of things about it, but I've never followed it that much. I mean, I love, I got, I mean, I guess I love it more than I think is for a lot of like the different characters I do. Like I've, it makes like Macho Man Randy Savage a lot and Hulk Hogan and like as far as the characters I do for Space Zebra, but I love it.

I'm basically, I think, played WrestleMania when I wasn't in the band, but it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's entertaining. It's definitely entertaining. I've, one of my favorite things is when Andy Kaufman, do you remember any Kaufman? Oh, of course. Yeah, him and Jerry Loller. When he got, when he got into breath, when he was doing wrestling, like wrestling women and like yelling, yeah, saying that it'll defeat any woman. Yeah, I thought that was funny. And he lived that character.

I mean, Jim Carrey went to the great job on Man of the Moon, of the dream that whole time. Yeah, absolutely. But, no, I know like Bobby's super into the WWE and we've had people on from WWE on the podcast before and it's great. I think it's, it's awesome. I love the whole thing. I wouldn't call myself a fan of it necessarily, but I've definitely taken inspiration from it to use for my own stuff. That's awesome. Yeah, no, as I said, I'm a huge wrestling fan. I'm also a huge fan of yours.

Thank you so much for being on the show, man. It was awesome. Thanks for having me on it. Awesome, man. I'd love to do this again sometime in person without the cameras when you were on the show. Absolutely. Yeah, I'd love to come down. Where are you? You're in Orange County? Orange County, yeah. I need to be specific. Yeah, okay. So, I'm about an hour from you. So, real quick. Yeah, I'm in downtown, right between Echo Park and downtown. Again, man, thank you so much for being on the show.

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