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Downstream

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Jason Snell and a rotating group of experts break down the present and future of television. Hosted by Jason Snell.

Episodes

33: So Thirsty for Content

What's the point of HBO Max if it doesn't have all the HBO shows on it? Julia ponders the strange goings on at HBO and WarnerMedia. We also discuss Jason Kilar's predictions for the future of streaming, the BBC, and how studios handle self-dealing.

Dec 13, 20221 hr 4 minEp. 33

32: Disney Bobs

Bob Chapek is out and Bob Iger is back in! What does this mean for the future of Disney? We don't have the answers, but we have lots of questions! Also discussed: "Strange World" and the future of Disney animation, whether Disney should buy Hulu, and Netflix's strange "Glass Onion"s strategy.

Nov 29, 20221 hr 13 minEp. 32

31: Yeah, Disney's Fine

Disney's latest financial results lead us to ponder where we are in the dramatic change from old-school media to the streaming world. We discuss "Hocus Pocus 2" as the ultimate direct-to-streaming movie, and why "Glass Onion" makes sense going to theaters before Netflix. Also, Warner Bros. Discovery claims to have all its franchises in order, but that doesn't seem remotely realistic. (And yeah, this means we have to talk about J.K. Rowling again.)

Nov 15, 202258 minEp. 31

30: I'm Fun to Have Drinks With

Peacock pivots, Netflix gets to know itself, "Doctor Who" is on the move, "Andor" teaches some important lessons, and Sports Corner returns!

Nov 01, 20221 hr 6 minEp. 30

29: Let the Sharks Feast and Fight

Is "Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story" the real winner of the battle between "House of the Dragon" and "Lord of the Rings"? Also: Netflix opens itself up to viewership ratings in the UK, Sports Corner covers Apple's negotiations with the NFL, and we discuss the merits of Paramount's content library and Hulu's overall value as a streaming service. Plus plus plus, your letters!

Oct 18, 202259 minEp. 29

28: SimSub

An accidental Sports Corner, understanding Peacock's slow growth, EPIX becomes MGM+, a "House of the Dragon" / "Rings of Power" check-in, Apple's "Luck", Julia and Parrot provide data to creators, and a listener explains Canadian TV quirks.

Oct 04, 202257 minEp. 28

27: Sports Corner

Julia's under the weather, so Jason asked our editor, Steven, to join him to talk about Amazon's NFL broadcast, Apple TV+ exclusivity of MLB record-breaking games, the insolvency of Bally Sports, and the mystery of NFL Sunday Ticket. Yep, it's Sports Corner with a little bit of bonus Canadian content.

Sep 21, 202237 minEp. 27

26: Everything Comes With Asterisks

"The Rings of Power" has arrived, but do Amazon's viewing numbers mean anything? Also: Netflix's weird identity crisis, NBC might give up its 10pm time slots, the difficulty of making sitcom hits, and your letters!

Sep 06, 20221 hr 6 minEp. 26

25: Hot Evil Blondes

We discuss what the House of the Dragon premiere means for HBO Max, how Netflix judges the success of "The Sandman" and other shows, the business reasons behind Warner Bros. Discovery's cuts, and why Sony is sitting pretty without its own streaming service.

Aug 25, 20221 hr 7 minEp. 25

24: Caught in the Middle of an Ocean

The big story in streaming is Warner Bros. Discovery and David Zaslav's cuts, cancellations, and the merger of HBO Max with Discovery+. Julia and Jason break it all down, including what's upsetting creators and the audience and why those weird PowerPoint slides exist.

Aug 09, 20221 hr 9 minEp. 24

23: The All-Letters Episode

Jason and Julia answer your letters. So many questions! We discuss live TV on Apple channels, merger mania, niche streaming, valuable hot-dog streaming rights, "it's just an eight-hour movie", and tactical release times.

Jul 26, 202258 minEp. 23

22: When Success Isn't Success

How do the creators of TV shows know how well their shows are doing when their streaming services won't share meaningful data? Is the Marvel Cinematic Universe tired, or spending its capital to do some creative experimentation? We discuss, and also look at Vulture's rankings of the hottest (and coldest) streaming services.

Jul 12, 20221 hr 7 minEp. 22

21: I Love Sports Corner

We discuss the "Lightyear" box office and the future of Pixar, finding better ways to binge through smart software, and how streaming franchises are constructed. And then, once again, there's Sports Corner, as streaming RSNs multiply and Formula 1 turns up its nose at Amazon and re-signs with ESPN.

Jun 28, 20221 hr 12 minEp. 21

20: Entertainment Chess Move

With the clash between "Stranger Things" and Star Wars, the summer streaming blockbuster season has begun! And we inaugurate a new segment, Sports Corner, as the path of sports on streaming media sports has begun to change dramatically.

Jun 14, 20221 hr 9 minEp. 20

19: Billionaires are Strange Creatures

What do "Stranger Things" and "Obi Wan Kenobi" tell us about the present and future of Netflix and Disney+? Also, Netflix's "The Gray Man" makes a very limited visit to theaters, the intellectual-property wanderings of "Daredevil" continue, and we answer your letters about churn, billionaires, and northern European dramas.

May 31, 20221 hr 8 minEp. 19

18: 10,000 Other Tentacles

After years watching the old Netflix cruise along as the top streamer, things are getting interesting as it shifts gears and engages the realities of today's streaming scene. We discuss reports Netflix might put its films in theaters and its attempts to find hit sitcoms more like what you'd find on a broadcast network. Julia also reviews the Disney financial results and what it means for that media giant's future direction. (If you've gotten the wrong episode, please delete and re-download to ge...

May 17, 20221 hr 18 minEp. 18

17: A Lighthouse, But No Captain

We're sifting through the fallout of Netflix's trying times, pondering the future of ads on streaming services and trying to identify which shows benefit from binge-watching--and which don't.

May 04, 20221 hr 18 minEp. 17

16: Avatar of the Industry

Emergency podcast! Julia and Jason reconvene for a second time in a week to discuss Netflix's very bad quarterly results (and how, if at all, the company will change its behavior and strategy as a result) and the rapid but not entirely surprising death of CNN+.

Apr 22, 202243 minEp. 16

15: Magic Show

Julia has some advice for David Zaslav as he takes the reins of Warner Bros. Discovery--mostly about the fates of CNN+ and the Harry Potter franchise. Plus, the rise of streaming sports.

Apr 19, 20221 hr 2 minEp. 15

14: Quintessential Identity Crisis

Apple TV+ wins Best Picture, "Our Flag Means Death" is... a hit?, why being the fan of a baseball team is going to bring you pain, "Obi-Wan" takes on "Stranger Things" directly, and Jason subscribed to CNN+... for science!

Apr 05, 20221 hr 23 minEp. 14

13: The South Park Equation

Is Wall Street souring on the streaming wars? Is Netflix coming for your shared passwords? Both issues are way more complicated than they might seem. We also discuss TikTok marketing, Discovery+ and HBO Max getting folded together, and Netflix's cancellation of "The Babysitters' Club."

Mar 22, 20221 hr 16 minEp. 13

12: Why? It's Batman.

Disney inevitably embraces advertising, NBC inevitably takes its ball and goes home, and The Batman inevitably forces a discussion about the future of theatrical releases.

Mar 08, 20221 hr 14 minEp. 12

11: Paramount's Paramount

ViacomCBS changes its name, Peacock weathers the Super Bowl storm, the Disney brand continues to evolve, the culture of binge-dropping begins to fade away, Netflix is Doing Just Fine, and your letters!

Feb 22, 20221 hr 8 minEp. 11

10: C Against C

The future of CNN+ is called into question, the Oscars recognize streaming services of all kinds, and did Peacock finally get the Olympics right?

Feb 08, 20221 hr 9 minEp. 10

9: Little Crown Jewel

Netflix's latest quarterly report makes us wonder: Is it a tech company or an entertainment company? Julia experiences live sports streaming success--and failure. HBO Max takes a victory lap. And why does Showtime still exist? Plus, your letters!

Jan 25, 20221 hr 2 minEp. 9

8: Everyone's Talking About Bruno

It's a new year! Disney has moved another Pixar movie out of theaters and onto Disney+. Why "Don't Look Up" was the perfect movie for Netflix. "Yellowstone" is a legitimate hit and yet nobody is truly happy about it. And we've got a Spider-Man box office check-in, HBO Max is doing all right by us, and we've got letters from listeners!

Jan 11, 20221 hr 7 minEp. 8

7: The All-Letters Edition

Jason and Julia are off for the holiday, but before they left, they took time to record this special episode featuring answers to listener letters! (Only two-thirds of the letters are from people named David.) We discuss ways that streaming interfaces could be more delightful and serendipitous, explain why the end of 22-episode TV seasons might be a good thing, and lament the death of collectible DVDs.

Dec 28, 202137 minEp. 7

6: All Four Quadrants

We dig into why CNN+ has to exist, even though it doesn't make a lot of sense. Also, the strange divisions between what's on HBO and what's on HBO Max, we talk a surprising amount about The CW (again), and Netflix has... a blog?

Dec 15, 202156 minEp. 6

5: The Netflix Connected Universe

Diving into Netflix's brand new global and regional top 10 lists, and what they tell us about Netflix's self-promotional powers, its use of South Korean content, the drive to program for kids, and the potential fate of the binge drop. Also, ViacomCBS corrects its Star Trek mistakes, and your letters allow us to grouse about bad interfaces, skipping the credits, and why Netflix is bad at movies.

Dec 01, 20211 hr 8 minEp. 5

4: Sorry, World!

Disney+ came out of the gate strong, but its growth is waning. What does it need to do to reach a broader audience? It's all about the 'Hamiltons.' Also, we discuss ViacomCBS pulling the rug out from underneath international Star Trek fans, the obsessive search for more streaming franchises, Jason hasn't read "The Wheel of Time," and we make our plans to go see "Spider-Man: No Way Home."

Nov 17, 20211 hr 11 minEp. 4