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How to stop fighting over small stuff?

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Would you want to live with you? This powerful question lies at the heart of Ken and Tabatha's wisdom-packed conversation about marriage and relationships. Drawing from over 24 years of marriage experience, they tackle the essential principle that life is simply too short to sweat the small stuff.

The couple explores how our memories work – we remember wedding days and children's births, not dirty dishes or minor frustrations. Yet many marriages crumble over "irreconcilable differences" that partners can't even specifically recall years later. Through personal stories and biblical principles, Ken and Tabatha outline practical ways to focus on what truly matters.

One fascinating distinction they unpack is the difference between mothering and wifely support. A mother hovers and dictates, while a wife comes alongside to support and uplift. They introduce the concept of "incubation" – how a wife can nurture her husband's vision like a seed, helping it grow through encouragement rather than criticism. This partnership approach allows both spouses to rise together, creating a marriage where both partners feel valued and respected.

Kindness emerges as a central theme throughout their conversation. Ken and Tabitha challenge the notion that kindness equals weakness, pointing to scripture that shows how love "is not easily angered" and "keeps no record of wrongs." They suggest becoming a "CEO" – Chief Encouragement Officer – in your home, creating an atmosphere of celebration rather than criticism. The episode culminates with a beautiful exploration of 1 Corinthians 13, revealing how these ancient principles of love provide practical solutions for modern relationship challenges.

Whether you're newlyweds or celebrating decades together, this episode offers transformative perspectives on creating a marriage filled with patience, kindness and mutual support. Subscribe now and join us next Thursday for another powerful conversation about doing life together with purpose and love!

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Welcome & Introduction

Speaker 1

Hey , welcome to Doing Life with Ken and Tabitha . We are so pumped that you're tuning into this podcast . It has been designed for people just like you . We wanna do life with you , share our wins , our defeats , our ups and our downs , in hopes that you'll grow closer to God and to the people that you love in your life . Sit back and enjoy today's podcast .

Here's a few things that we've learned over 24 years of marriage . When it comes to don't sweat the small stuff . We've learned that life is too short to sweat the small stuff .

Speaker 2

Absolutely . You know , I think at the end of our lives you hear stories about people when they're dying and we have goals of like , where we want to be at the end of our life . But you know , I think even now I'm not at the end of my life . When I look back to the past , I remember and cherish the good things .

I don't remember how the dishes were dirty or the plant fell over and broke and we had to clean it up , or we got a flat tire . I remember our wedding day .

Speaker 1

All of those things have happened within the last 30 years .

Speaker 2

I remember our wedding day . I remember Christmases and New Year's Eve . I remember dates that we went on . I remember when our children were born .

I remember these important days and I think there are a lot of people that will come to the end of their lives or stand before Jesus , and there will be a lot of people who have gotten divorced over irreconcilable differences when they're not even going to remember why , they're not going to know what it was , but they'll remember their wedding day , but they won't

remember the reasons why they got divorced . And I think , for those of us who are , no condemnation if you have been divorced , but for those of us who are still married , let's not sweat the small stuff . We're not even going to remember it .

Speaker 1

We've also learned it's really not that serious . These are just little principles . Sometimes we make things serious and it's really not that serious . We've also learned that nobody wants to live with a Debbie Downer or fault-finding Fabian . We just don't want to . We don't want it . You have anything you want to share about that ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , I'm reminded of a scripture that says that it's better to stay on the rooftop than to live in a house with a nagging woman .

Speaker 1

And you know , we can wonder why that scripture just says that it's the woman that's nagging .

Speaker 2

It's probably . I mean , I think , no doubt a man can nag as well , is that like a woman's gift of the spirit ? Well , it's the , the traditional roles .

Speaker 1

Don't get in trouble . I know because people don't make it OK , they don to come at me .

Speaker 2

Just ignore him .

Speaker 1

It's okay , I got him . I'm just playing , y'all , I'm just playing , don't worry about him . I got him . But I'm saying the Bible does say that . It does , say that it does say about a woman , it don't say that about a man . Why I mean you might .

Speaker 2

I wanted to go and dig up all this stuff that it says about a man , but I'm not going to do that , OK because that's , that's not love . Yeah , but what I will say is that the traditional role of a woman being the wife and the mother being the homemaker . It's easy to nag , it's easy to OK . These are the rules of the house . Follow them .

Pick up your stuff , pick up your shoes , don't you know ? Get your up your stuff . Pick up your shoes . Get your stuff , get it together . It's just easy .

Speaker 1

Please take out the trash dude , I asked you 100 years ago to take out the trash . Please do it . Right right right , I will say this for most men I love to speak to women as daughters . I love to speak to them as daughters and sisters , but your man does not need another mother .

Speaker 2

True .

Speaker 1

And if you start to treat your husband like you are his mother ? You will start to lose or hurt the relationship . He doesn't need another mother , he needs a wife , he needs a helpmate , he needs a partner , he needs a companion and I know it's vice versa and other things .

But I think it's important for women sometimes , because what I'm finding and this is not across the board , but there are many women who've just they just have never really been around a manly man .

Speaker 2

Yeah .

Speaker 1

They just haven't had a lot of men in their life , and when the man is just being a man , it's almost like he's being demonized just for who God's made him to be .

And so I think your ministry has always been to teach women really how to serve their man and honor their man , and for me , my ministry has always been to teach men how to love their wives Like Christ got on a cross .

Speaker 2

That's how I should serve you and honor you and lift you up and at that crossroads is where healthy marriages are found , and I think you know , I think I want to point out the difference between a mother and a wife , because I think some people are mothering their husbands and don't even know it .

So a mother will come in and kind of coddle , nourish , nurture in a way that is hovering , that I'm going to keep you safe , I'm going to provide for safe , I'm going to provide for you , I'm going to . This is from a mother to a child . I am an authority over you . I tell you what to do . You respect you know that's a mother .

A wife comes beside , a wife comes under and supports the man . Yeah , a wife holds him up , a wife respects and honors . A wife says what is it that's on the inside of your heart ? Okay , tell me that . Okay , that's what we're gonna set and believe for our family . I'm gonna pray for you .

In this way , a wife nurtures , but not as like a mother would nurture . A wife nurtures in a wonderful way that we have the privilege to nurture , and to touch and to . You know all of those things , but that's the difference between , like , a mother and a wife . You know what I mean .

Speaker 1

I hear the word incubation and I think that a lot of wives don't know how to incubate . Can you just talk about that for a minute .

Speaker 2

Yeah , and so you know , just like in , we incubate a baby . Okay , there's a seed that you have on the inside of you . You plant that seed on the inside of me and I grow it . I grow it into a full grown , beautiful , live , living baby and I give birth to it and now it's manifested in this world .

So God has given us and our family , through you , and sometimes me too , but I'm just talking about the man right now but God has given you dreams on the inside of you and those dreams , when you speak them in seed form , in forms of words to me , I take those dreams , I take those seeds and I take it on the inside of me . I nurture it .

Speaker 1

You remind me of it , I pray about it , you push me towards it , I take it before God .

Speaker 2

Yes , Until that thing grows and develops , we incubate it . And then we can now I don't think that I'm not here just like you're with me in the labor room pushing that thing out . We can push it out together . It's not just yours , but this is ours together .

Your dreams are my dreams , my dreams are your dreams , and so we push this out together , and we have a different part to play in the family dynamic .

Speaker 1

And I'm not saying that our dynamic is everybody's dynamic but , I , think the principles remain , that there's just something about the woman that has the ability to incubate .

Speaker 2

Absolutely .

Speaker 1

And so the woman can actually abort the man's vision , or she can help it , she can incubate it and remind him of it . Baby , you said we was going to be debt free in the next three years . I'm here to support you . Whatever you need , I can start shopping at whatever grocery store . I need to just want to remind you what you said .

Speaker 2

I'm here to support you .

Speaker 1

She's not tearing him down , she's always building them up . She's not ridiculing him , she's not sweating the small stuff . So it's just amazing , cause when I think of incubation , I think the difference between mothering and wives is a completely different posture .

Like you said , it's not a hovering over , it's a coming beside to push you up , because whenever you push me , you push yourself . And then I turn around and I want to serve you and I'm getting low and I'm pushing you up . And when I push you up , I push myself up .

And I want to serve you and I'm getting low and I'm pushing you up , and when I push you up , I push myself up and I just feel like that's healthy marriages are found in the crossroads of all those principles right there . All those principles You're dropping dimes today , girl Tell us more . Tell us We've also learned over the years .

We are to let kindness rule our tongue , and you know that's . You are a super kind person . You're a super nice person and I feel like you do well at that .

Speaker 2

Kindness .

Speaker 1

Anything on that . When it comes to not sweating the small stuff , let kindness rule your tongue .

Speaker 2

I will say that I think a lot of people are not kind men and women because they don't want their kindness to be mistaken for weakness . Okay , and I think you know , I find this out even with our children .

Like , I'm very kind to our children , but every once in a while , like this morning , for example , I had to , not that I wasn't kind , yeah , but I had to .

Speaker 1

Like yeah , I had to get .

Speaker 2

I had to be like okay , first of all , you're talking to your mother , so put some respect on it . Second of all , I'm not dumb , don't treat me like that . So I had to like kind of I don't know what it's called Use my authority .

I had to like kind of step to them a little bit to say you know , okay , whatever , and say , hey , just because I'm nice to you and I give you , you know , I'm your parent , I'm supposed to do that and I love up on you . I'm always kind , I'm always cheering you on . Don't think that I won't take you out . I brought you in this world .

I'll take you out . So I think . But I'm reminded of that right now because I think , as husband and wife , sometimes , you know , we can , you know , think well , I'm not going to be kind or I'm not going to be . You know , they just don't want to be mistaken for being weak or don't want to be taken advantage of .

But according to scripture that's not the case , that when you are kind and when you love people , when you turn the other cheek , when you do things like that now you have God on your side . You're not just being kind , but you are working the word .

Speaker 1

And when you work the word , it works for you . I don't know . I just feel like if we could just set ourself to be super kind , it would change our marriages . It would just make it better If , instead of getting upset , frustrated , annoyed , angry , whatever you want to call it of small stuff , just be kind . Just be kind and see what happens .

And so , lastly , I think we've also learned that we can all be CEOs . I call it , I'm the CEO , the chief encouragement officer . I'm the CEO at church . That's what I want to be . I'm the CEO in my family .

I want to be the chief encouragement officer , and I just feel like it's powerful , when people set themselves to be CEOs , that you can be the chief encouragement officer . And so here's the question that I would like to ask our viewers Would you want to live with you ? That's what I would ask everybody who's watching and listening .

Would you want to live with you If we were a fly on the wall of your attitude , posture , disposition at home ? Would you really want to live with you if we were a fly on the wall of your attitude , posture , disposition at home ? Would you Really want to live with you ?

Speaker 2

Wow .

Speaker 1

And I want to be the kind of person that , if you were watching my life not this on tv podcast life , but home , when no cameras are there and nobody's around I want to exemplify a life that other people would say I want to behave like that as a husband . I want to be like that as a father .

Yeah , I want to exemplify a life that other people would say I want to behave like that as a husband . I want to be like that as a father . I want to be those characteristics .

They are the characteristics of Jesus and that's how I want to be , and so I'm not perfect at it , but that's what I'm working for those stable , character-driven , principle-driven visionaries that are men of God that lead their house in spiritual things with great vision until it's all done and we're before Jesus .

Speaker 2

Amen . I think that's a great perspective . I've said over the years that I've joked and said that I don't just try not to take myself too seriously and to give everyone else the same outs and same grace that I would give myself .

And so sometimes we bark at everyone else and we're so annoyed by everyone else in the house , whether spouse or kids , and we forget that's like the man who has a splinter in a log in his eye that points to the splinter in his brothers . So I've never wanted to be that person and I will jokingly say I get on my own nerves sometimes .

Like girl , just shut up . Do you hear yourself Like ? Come on , but it's just , and I've always , you know , tried to live by those principles . But , like you said , I don't think I've ever had that frame , that word , to say what I want to live with myself , and I think that's a goal to reach . Would you want to live with you ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , on a scale of one to 10 , 10 being . Oh yeah , I would love that . Yeah , I don't know . What kind of atmosphere do you create ?

Speaker 2

in the home .

Speaker 1

Yeah , and I don't know . I feel like even if somebody's checking us out and they're like , I admit I'm horrible , I'm frustrated , I'm annoyed that time of the month , so to say you know what ? I'm saying I feel like there are tools , there's tools . Nobody's perfect , you don't have to . You know down on yourself .

Just let's learn some new tools to get some new results .

Speaker 2

Absolutely .

Speaker 1

You know , there's a scripture that comes to me in 1 Corinthians 13 , verse number three , 13 , verse number four through 10 . And this is what we call like the love chapter , and so if you want to do any Devo time , check out first Corinthians , chapter 13 , verse four through 10 . Let's read it in different translations Today we're going to look at the NIV .

It says and it defines love . It says love is patient , Love is kind it doesn't envy , it doesn't boast , it's not proud , it doesn't dishonor others , it's not self-seeking , it's not easily angered , it keeps no records of wrong Love doesn't delight in evil but rejoices with the truth . It always protects , always trusts , always hopes , always perseveres .

Love never fails . Whether they be prophecies , they will cease . Whether they be tongues , they will be stilled . Whether there is knowledge , it shall pass away . For we know in part and we prophesy in part . But when completeness comes , what is in part disappears . And so this is kind of . I guess we didn't have to read all the way to verse 10 .

I could have just stopped where it says love never fails . But I just feel like if we get this in our heart , it changes the game .

A marriage can go from a two to a six overnight , a six to a nine overnight , if we really understood charity , which is the agape , love of God being translated love in this translation , what sticks out to you from 1 Corinthians 13, ? Because when it comes , don't sweat the small stuff . It's because my love is covering all those small stuff .

The small stuff is there . It's in every home , it's in every marriage . It's easy . It's easy to come in and I lead an organization to say , well , I don't like this , I don't like that , I don't like this , I don't like that . I don't want my staff to like oh , here he come . Here he come , I'm sure he going to point out the negative .

Everybody sees the negative , okay . And there's a way that you can unfold those things family meetings . There's a way that you Create an atmosphere of love and encouragement and joy and celebration . And just there's something anointed about the love chapter . Anything sticks out to you on that .

Speaker 2

Oh man , there's so much . I will say that the title that we're talking about today is Don't . Sweat the Small Stuff , meaning don't , don't , do not . And in the definition of love it says love is patient , love is kind . And then it goes into what love is not . Love does not envy , does not boast , is not proud , does not dishonor , is not .

So it's like , in order for God to show us what love is , he also had to tell us what love is not . And love is not sweating the small stuff . And so I think sometimes you have to pay attention to what you shouldn't do , so you will know what you should do .

Speaker 1

I love it because it actually defines love . Love is patient . Quit needing things to happen overnight with your kids and your spouse .

Speaker 2

Slow , slow down give them space .

Speaker 1

They're trying their best .

Speaker 2

They got a life .

Speaker 1

They got their own problems . Love is kind . Like you , are naturally a kinder person . Kindness is always something that I'm developing , but I'm never going to be at your level of kindness .

Speaker 2

My voice doesn't even sound as kind as you , my look like .

Speaker 1

I look at my eyes . They don't seem like your cheekbones and your smile . Everything about you is kinder than me , but God knows my heart . I want to be kind , I really do .

Speaker 2

Here's the thing . But we can all grow in it . The scripture says that let kindness be the law of your tongue . So that means that kindness is a law that I've put on my tongue . So that means that kindness is a law that I've put on my tongue , so it's like there is .

If something comes out of your mouth that is not kind , well , the law is that you don't say it , that you don't you know you don't say it , so it's kind of like it's a law , it's . God helped me to allow kindness to be the law of my tongue .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I love it . It's a law , okay . Love doesn't envy . It doesn't boast . Love is not proud . I like that one because it's the opposite of humility . Love doesn't dishonor others , and I think when you belittle people and you are just too petty and you just sweat the small stuff , you actually are just dishonoring them .

Love is not self-seeking , that means it's not selfish , and so I think one of the reasons that people sweat the small stuff is because it's about what you like , it's about what's annoying you , it's about what's getting on your nerves . You're not even thinking about the other person . The very fact that you are on your last nerve is getting on my nerves .

Don't sweat the small stuff .

Speaker 2

It's the last straw . Well , that gets on my nerves too because it's the last straw .

Speaker 1

Why is everything the last straw ? Come on , man , love is not easily angered , so to me that means like that doesn't matter . Remember when we said love ignores a lot and love keeps no records of wrong . I don't have all of these records and you did this and you didn't say that , and you didn't pick this up and you didn't do that .

So what I'm saying today is could it be that we need to develop the fruit of love ? We need to read real books on love . We need to ask God to help us pour his love Romans 5 , 5 , into our heart by the Holy Spirit . And when you get filled up with love , you will become blinder to some of the small stuff .

Speaker 2

We were blinded by love in the first place . We just need to become blind by love again .

Speaker 1

We need to be blind by love again . Let me declare the spirit of first Corinthians over you guys . This is in the message Bible

Life's Too Short: Small Stuff Perspective

. Listen to this same passage . Message Bible Love never gives up . Love never cares more for others than for self , or love cares more for others than for self . That's the problem . Love doesn't want what it doesn't have .

Love doesn't strut , doesn't have a swelled head , doesn't force itself on others , isn't always me first , doesn't fly off the handle , doesn't keep more score of the sins of others , doesn't revel when others grovel , takes pleasure in the flowering of truth . It puts up with anything .

It trusts God , always , always , looks for the best , never looks back , but always keeps going to the end .

Speaker 2

Because love never dies .

Speaker 1

Woo , we declare that spirit of love over you , amen . And I believe that when it's in your heart and in your home , the , the small stuff that you've been sweating , um , you won't sweat no more . And until next thursday . We got a new one coming for you next thursday .

You're gonna want to make sure that you're here for next thursday , because we're going all the way up on that one . All right , hey , we love y'all and we'll see you soon .

Speaker 2

Peace .

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