¶ Intro / Opening
INTRO PODCAST
Do you ever feel like your agency is actually running you? Most of the times it is, but you're constantly putting out fires to grind. You're managing clients, the team is running around, you have no idea what to do next, and you're kind of stuck in this perpetual hamster wheel. Sometimes I felt like one year in the agency was like three years in real life. And just picture this, like you're out at sea, you're rowing your boat or the agency, this crew is scattered.
They're doing their best, but have no clue where you're heading. There's no map, there's no course. You might follow the stars, but it's a foggy night and there's a storm coming. Well, I'm going to upgrade
¶ Introducing Leah Leaves and Alderaan Operations Solutions
your rowboat into a yacht today because Leia pretty much focuses on solving that, taking your rowboat and actually upgrading it to a yacht. But without me butchering or adding more to this, Leia, can you tell us a little bit more about who you are, what you're doing? And you're doing it,
Absolutely. And I'm excited to be here chatting with you because I know you and I have had some great conversations about this already on how to elevate, you know, to that yacht mentality. so my name is Leah Leeds. I am the founder and CEO of Alderon Operations Solutions, which is the all in one solution for digital marketing agencies. And so what this means is that we actually embed fractional ops professionals
¶ The Alderaan Approach: Goals, Systems, and Team
into those agencies that need to go from the rowboat mentality up to the yacht experience. and we help them with our aldera approach. which is goals, systems and team. We help you refine and clarify the goals of what you're actually here to do and build and refine the systems to help achieve that and then encourage and empower the team with an ownership mentality so that it's never on one person's shoulders. Typically the agency owner. So we're really focused on helping agency
¶ Overcoming Business Bottlenecks
founders and leaders focus back on the growth rather than on the grind.
that's a key thing, growth on grind. And there's three bottlenecks to any business. and I discuss this in a separate podcast, but the
¶ The Importance of an Operations Professional
first is your marketing and sales. That's the first constraint. Once you solve that, then the second constraint is your operations. Once you solve that, your third constraint is leadership.
When I work with teams, I focus a lot on all three, sometimes the operations is more on the mentality, the workflow, the approach and leadership approach, but the thing that I love that Leah does is she embeds the person in your agency for you and runs it where, so, you know, you have a solid, like that's the number one hack. That's the number one hire. I always recommend once you dial in your sales and you have things like turning pretty well, which is never, it's never a one and done.
The key hire is getting that ops person in there. That is the number one, like strategic hire, which will lessen your stress. Because I've personally done that. Just allow things to move fluidly. And I think the key thing is when you put something in that position, they have to know the chops. Cause if you're training
¶ Implementing Effective Processes
them it kind of becomes like they can only be at the capacity that you are. So you have to level up, but you're not able to level up because you're caught in everything. So let's dive into the process specifically, cause it seems pretty simple, right? You set goals, you create systems, sink it to the team. Same thing with like training for an Ironman. You swim, you run, you bike, but it's not easy. There's a lot involved to it. So you can kind of dive into the process.
Yeah, so we take a lot of our best
¶ Refining Your Vision and Goals
practices and principles and foundational knowledge, you know, From the entrepreneurial operating system. So we like to call ourselves adjacent, meaning that we help the agency founder understand what those big picture goals are and how we do that is through specific tools, like clarifying their vision and putting that onto actual paper, not just digital paper, but actually onto paper, get them really connected. Back to Why they started their business in the first place.
Because most agency founders we find, and you probably heard the of the accidental agency owner where they were so good at what they did, and they went off on their own. they were doing a great job. So great that they got so many referrals that they started growing their client base. Then they started needing to bring in a few contractors.
It kept growing and all of a sudden they find themselves underwater, burning out, frustrated because the quality of the work is going down and they don't know how to fix it because they can't communicate with their team of like, why can't you just do it like me? And of course, the team's like, Because you're not telling me how to do it or what to do. And so we refine that original vision, that feeling of, again, why did you start doing this on your own?
was it to bring better quality work, and strategic level thinking, to the PPC, industry? Do you really like going deep into content? And you feel that there's a story that every small business owner should tell. We tap back into that, you know, and that's through annual planning, quarterly goal planning, or in the EOS system, quarterly rock planning. So We take the really big ideas and we start funneling it down to that next level.
So instead of just this 30, 000 foot view of like, there's this vision out there, you know, we'd love to have a yacht.
¶ Standardizing Systems for Success
You know, it's like, okay, great. Well, then what needs to happen in order to achieve that in sequential positions? All right. And that's when we get into the systems and the systems are okay. Legitimately. Do you have the simple steps of client? Onboarding, client management and client off boarding defined. How about team onboarding, management and off boarding? Or even a favorite of ours is money in money management and money out. All right.
You can see I craft everything in as much of simplicity as possible in my three steps. It's goal assistance team, money in money management, money out so that Instead of it being in the systems phase of this massive project of having to like document every little detail and how are we going to do that when everyone is already over capacity and feeling burnt out.
It's like, well, you start getting them to record themselves, you know, start piping it through, you know, AI and automations to craft the SOPs, you know, start linking the dots together, you know, so that ultimately it's building that foundation to achieve those goals. And then once you're getting people in that mode of like, okay, there's a little bit of structure here. There's a little bit of standardization, there's, you know, a little bit of operations support
¶ Empowering Your Team
so that we can breathe again, that we can start thinking more strategically. So now, where do I fit in? Is what most team members are thinking at that point, because they've done, again, a little bit of everything themselves and so now if they're really there to be a creative strategist, if they're really there to be a PPC coordinator, we need to give them again a little bit of that standardization and that's when we lean into the team. We are collaborating and working with them.
This is why I love being embedded into the agencies and having our professionals there because we are building the plane as we're flying it right? We're in the trenches with them rather than. Just coming in giving a plan and then hopping out. and then rinse and repeat, right? Every time you hit that next level of Oh, yes, it's clicked. We get it. Let's realign with those goals. You know, are the goals now at a level that we can say we've got the annual plan. We've got the quarterly rocks.
How about the monthly milestones? How do those connect to our KPIs? What are the systems we're going to use to track our data that's not manual and who's responsible
¶ The Role of Operations in Agency Growth
making sure that that data is accurate, right? So it all connects, you know, back into, you know, the bigger picture system. But it really, in my opinion, is enhanced by having that ops professional, again, in the trenches, you know, with the agency founder, with the team members around them.
Yes, everyone needs a coach, or at least a mentor, right? Like, even when I started the iron man training, I bought a coach program because I just wasn't mentally prepared. And it's trained me to the point where, like, I would have never trained that way. Same thing here. Like, again, simple principles, but applied discipline with experience. I think make a difference. There's 2 things that you mentioned that I really want to
¶ Navigating Market Trends and AI
ask you around. The 1st is on, like, the vision and the why, and then the 2nd is around current trends that you're seeing right now in the marketplace with. The teams, the implementation, some of the roadblocks that we're facing. So there are two big, major, major questions with the first what are the themes or the trends that you're seeing specifically around when people start their agency, usually it's either a, I'm pretty good at this.
And I'm like, I want to make more, or this just grew into something that I didn't think it'd be possible. Like, how do you elevate people from going to It's like a circle. I'll give you a metaphor. When you begin your circle of influence, your circle of focus is around you and your immediate responsibilities or family like me or like dependence of me. But then from there you grow this thing. Now you got other people in a bigger community that you're supporting.
So how do you help founders elevate that thinking to? It's not just me anymore. Now I have a broader responsibility to the community and to others. And my impact can actually make a bigger difference now because we've been so successful.
it's a great question, because for agency founders, we find that their mindset, especially when they've had their business, let's say 345 years, and they've been in the trenches so deeply with their team members that they have a really hard time going from what Dan Sullivan of strategic coach calls going from a level one leadership to like a level two.
¶ The Future of Agencies and Operations
And the level one is exactly what you mentioned It's all around the individual. the ecosystem. Like they're the sun. Everything is revolving around them versus being able to look at the universe as a bigger picture and seeing all these pieces moving on the chessboard how we help agency founders in general, go from Focusing in the trenches on the grind, to really elevating themselves to focusing on the growth, is first and foremost, helping them clarify what is it that they want.
And this is a little bit different than just saying like, oh, helping them clarify their vision, because the vision incorporates what they want for others, you know, and how they view the business being. Perceived, from other competitors. much like the vivid vision by Cameron Harold, right? It is 360 degree view of how they want their business, to actually operate. So we start baby steps, right? We start a few steps before that. just like, Hey, what do you want?
so helpful to go through a reflection process and a retrospective of where they originate from. And most times we see that it's because they were burned by a corporate experience, you know, where they were put in a box and they were told, stay in your box. These are most often, you know, creatives, you know, of some kind that we're talking about and strategists, you know, and big picture thinkers.
So to be in a corporate experience where you get to go from box to maybe this box or maybe go sideways to another box. It's stifling and it's just, it's heartbreaking and that's more often than not why they got out of it was so that they could explore outside of the box. They could explore what does it look like? What does it feel like? You know, that freedom to actually be creative rather than freedom from like, Oh, just punching the clock, you know?
So, so it's really embracing like a 10 X jump for them, you know, in a mindset and. What happens is they just get stuck in the grind. So they do this massive jump in their mindset, and then they do exactly the opposite of what they wanted to be, which was they wanted to have like all this freedom and all this creativity, you know, but they're so trained in the corporate experience, you know, that they have the same mindset, you know, toward their other team members.
Oh,
And they start putting them in boxes and, and when I say boxes for most agency owners, they're very against having like the corporate structure, right. So they've kind of blown that up and they put like one big box of like, we're just a family, we're all together,
Oh yeah.
but it's still in a box of. They haven't collaborated with their team members. You know, they haven't really opened their eyes to what their team members could contribute. So it's just everybody's in this big box together, and they're all stepping on each other's toes, and nobody has the communication skills to say, like, Hey, this isn't working.
I mean, the awareness really, not just the communication, like just knowing that there's a better way. Cause if you're in that silo.
Yeah. and that's where sometimes it's just talking it out to get started because most of the agency owners that we work with, they are smaller agency owners, you know, they may have teams of like 3 to 30, 3 to 50 people, you know, they may be under a million, you know, or even up to like 5 million, you know, annual revenue and yet they don't have anyone that they can really open to.
They don't have really anyone that they can talk to and just let it out and like vent, you know, or sometimes just say like, hey, I've got this crazy idea and I have no idea what to do with it, you know, and so we come in from the operations perspective and say, that's the operators. position is to let you talk about what you really want. I want this person to do it that way. You know, I want us to be the best in the business for this. You know, I want great. Tell me more.
I want to hear that because then that connects to the bigger picture vision of what does it then mean to your team? What does it mean to your community? What does it mean to your customers? Yeah. and how does it connect to the greater industry? Right.
And they can implement it, then they can actually run with it. That's the key thing.
totally, so those are like some of the steps, but at the end of the day, again, we try and simplify it to. Let's talk it out and get it down onto paper, you know, because then we can actually start organizing it and putting it into like systems and actually results. And what does that look like in the how and the what, you know, not just the why.
Yeah. It's also, it becomes like a mental health thing. Like you're able to tell that person, that operator, this is what I want, the vision, go and make it happen, go figure it out. And having that kind of person in there is, and having been that kind of person, it's still like in other peripherals now with clients, It's nice. It's really nice. Even for me being on the other side now wanting that person in it's a nice experience.
Well, and I think most agency founders, because they are so capable of doing so many different things. You know, and that's how they built their agency to begin with. whether it's a consultancy or they jumped right into being an agency, you know, they've been very capable and doing a lot on their own shoulders. so I don't think that it's ever an issue of them not wanting to ask for help. I think they're in masterminds, they're in community networks.
they're absolutely out there asking for more information and wanting to learn and grow. They just don't know where to look, and they just don't know how to realize it. So we're just, I think operations genuinely, you just have a little dash of operations and agencies. You can make literally everyone's lives, right? Because it gives you that space to feel a little more safe, a little more secure of like, okay, we have a structure for this. We have a plan and.
We still have that freedom to be creative. We still have that ability to think for ourselves, you know, as well.
Yeah. I think that's a, it almost seems like it's a contradiction, right? Operations, standardization with flexibility and freedom. I had a founder once they were doing like 200 K a month and we were chatting just to see like how it can help them. And he literally asked like, what is operations? And I'm like, is this an existential question or what?
But I think the way that you're defining it is, it's less of structure and like rigidity and more about enabling work, enabling thought, enabling people to move towards where they need to go.
A hundred percent. And you're right. We get that question too, you know, what is operations? Like, what do you guys really do? You know, because it's such this black box, you know, for most agency founders of they've just done things without knowing what they're doing, right?
They've built a team, you know, they've built a culture, you know, they've had core values and they're living them, you know, and likely even hiring on it may not, they may not be firing yet on them, but they're hiring, you know, because they have this like intuition, this gut that they are being led by But they just don't have the language with it, you know, and they haven't shared that language.
Then once it's typically defined, they haven't shared it with their team because they get a little nervous, right? Like, Oh, wow. Okay. I have a vision. I have what I want. You know, I know who we are and what we do best. Is my team going to be aligned with that? Like, are they going to be bought in? You know, like, how are we going to roll this out? And every time we start getting into the how, you know, I'm like, okay, how do we do this? You know, great. Let's talk about operations.
there you go. It's. You know, what are we aiming toward? Why are we here? And how are we going to implement it? so they all connect, but it's funny because we do get that question quite often. Like, so what is operations?
So what is this existential angst thing that you have going on?
yeah,
To turn the convo a little bit different you know, we've had a good heyday, you know, 21, 22, like really good growth in the agency space. 23 was a rough year. 24 was almost like a I'm not sure what 24 was. It just depends on who you talk to. And if you're in the creative scene definitely there's a lot of marketing cuts. Like when I'm, just to give you perspective, when I do growth strategy for clients, a lot of the things that I do on the back end is look at trends and growth rates.
So I'm able to like, without being super nerdy in detail, like be able to identify, you ICPs and markets. And then from there identify their growth trends for the last eight quarters, depending on their hiring rates and what they're investing in. And significantly in some of the industries that we're tapping into that I'm seeing as a whole, just from my peripheral the cuts have been significantly in marketing specifically in. Probably because of the creative, the generative AI, et cetera.
What are you seeing right now? What are some of the, obviously this is not a thing that AI is replacing or changing. It is augmenting and changing a few things and it will continue to, especially this year. But what are you seeing now when it comes to the market shift with your clients? What are some of your market takes?
It's very much leaning into utilizing generative AI and more automations. to give that extra, you know, for their creative abilities and their strategic insight. Because you're right, like 2023 definitely saw, especially with larger agencies, you know, get hit. And 2024, it felt like that trickled down to smaller agencies in particular.
And 2025, like, I know that It's been a topic for many years, not just, since chat GPT popularized, generative AI in mainstream culture, AI has been around for a long time, and it's been evolving, and it will continue to evolve much more rapidly than I think we all are prepared for. We all are learning. We're growing, with it.
And so one thing that we are in particular focused on for 2025 with agencies and agency industry as a whole, is to lean further into it to make sure that we are catapulting that potential for creative input, creative insight and the strategic value of agencies to their clients. and there are so many agencies that, let alone, scratching the surface with AI, haven't even tapped into the value add of automations,
Oh yeah.
Right. Like we look at it from the perspective of even looking at operations. So much of the day to day that we come in and typically handle like day to day fires, you know, day to day admin, understanding how to manage teams like we're not at the point yet of replacing people managers, but we are at the place of replacing a lot of administrative functions with more automations. And then the actual AI, the generative AI components. Again, I don't see that as replacing for most functions in 2025.
It will be increasing their value, it will be just giving the space, you know, for the strategist, the specialist, the agency founders themselves, you know, to ideate further and take it to that next level. Cause I'll be honest, I feel like agencies, you know, have gotten a little complacent, you know, with the cycle, you know, of just feeling like. Okay, you put clients in, you turn clients, you know, and it's just this cycle that becomes very rote and it's almost like a widget in a factory.
is unfortunate.
it just breaks my heart because like my goal, you know, as an individual, and as, you know, CEO of Aldron is really to Bring us back to the golden age, you know, or create a new golden age, you know, for agencies to again, get to that beautiful tandem balance, you know, of having the creative and the strategic big picture mindset with the incredibly flawless technical execution.
Not a lot of industries have that combined in one package, you know, that they can really say this is a partner of my business, you know, so, I fundamentally believe that agencies will continue to exist and evolve and iterate with generative AI with automations, you know, if they're truly embracing them, not just for all the busy work, I mean, don't get me wrong, like, we absolutely agree with getting some of the busy work out.
Like, that's the whole point of bringing us is, you know, Get some of that busy work out or just identify like what you need to delete, you know, or just stop doing, you know, there's so many things that we're just in habits, you know, and I get that it happens to all of us. And so having that structure, you know, again, coming back, maybe every quarter or every 6 months, you know, and really looking with a clean lens, you know, at what you're doing, how you're doing it.
you know, gives you that capacity to then evolve with that next space. So, so I do think that 2025 is going to be a massive year of change, you know, and growth and evolution for the agency industry, particularly on the smaller agencies. I think you'll see some that are going to be way more nimble, you know, Some of the bigger ones.
And, you know, I'd say within the next, you know, three years and, and this is just me putting out something that likely because of how it's, it's evolving, it'll be in one year rather than three years. But I truly believe that it's going to be that, that 10 X jump where the top 20 percent that get it and want it and are iterating with it. Will continue to exist in a fundamentally better way, maybe not different, maybe like the whole agency industry. And I don't think it's going to collapse.
I think it's going to be better. I think it's going to be so much more fruitful of what is actually developed and delivered and created. And, I get really excited about it because I see there are threads of that. You know, that are being explored in a lot of different industries, and we have the added benefit. I think most agencies do you get to see not just like the agency industry, but obviously like your customers industries.
Right and so you get to see how they might be utilizing it and where. You could potentially support them in that insight, you know, like, Hey, if this is working for us, it could work for you, not just on marketing strategy or advertising strategy, but business strategy, how it all connects back to the bigger picture of the business results.
It's pretty interesting
but
Is it a semantics thing? Like just talking about agencies as a whole? Cause like I saw a post yesterday. Well, there's three things. One Jensen from NVIDIA mentioned that AI is evolving faster than Moore's law, which is not a surprise to me. So that's obvious. But it's like what you mentioned faster than we expect. The second like a lot of people are getting burned by careless quote unquote agencies. And I think it's a semantics issue, right? So I think that there will be.
So the third point is that anything with the word agent, insurance agent, real estate Agent will be replaced by an AI agent is what the future is gearing towards which a lot of people might disagree with that statement. I'm a futurist and I believe in the good that we can do with technology, not just in the bad that it might displace, but I think it will affect, like you mentioned, just like. Turn and burn agencies, or the ones that can't keep their promises, which is apparently very common.
It's kind of baffling to me. But I do see the gap that you're mentioning. And maybe we shouldn't call them agencies at the top because. I mean, I've been leveraging a lot of the deliverables that I'm doing just to help me 10 X my. My not just throughput, but quality in the way that I'm able to go deeper and faster and better. Obviously, it's not cheap. technology is getting it's almost as much as a one person. But my, my point is, like, do you think it's just a semantics thing?
Like, we're all categorizing those churn and burn. Don't keep your promises into an agency, but then you're also mentioning the strategic partner with the technical capabilities to really deeply integrate, which I find the beauty and the, not the simplicity, cause it's complicated, but I think that value is even more needed or required. Like, is it a semantics thing or is it just like a quality thing? We just need to talk about it.
You got to do quality work and you got to implement it well, or we should call those other training burden, not agencies, just like product services.
it's an interesting point because I actually do love getting into, the details of where words come
No, you like details.
oh, yeah. love it. And this is where I don't want to cut those churn and burn agencies out necessarily, just like as a whole and just say like chunk it off. And the reason why is because I think that a lot of them, they have good intentions, they have a good heart, you know, not all of them, but most of them, and this is from my point of view, I very much see that I am totally biased on this. I think it is because they have a complete lack of understanding of what operations are.
and what business is. And so they have seen from social media, they have seen, you know, from friends or other people online, what an agency is, and that's the turn and burn option.
like the two hour work day or something,
and so I, that's what I want to pull together because I do believe that it's not just in the hands of the few. You know, where we are going as an industry. I don't believe that it's just those few that have their operations figured out, have their strategy figured out and they're capitalizing on all these other technical advancements and then they'll create maybe a whole different movement or a whole different industry.
I think there's so much value in the agency industry as a whole that, yeah, I'm getting a little bit on my soapbox of like, I want to help save some of that because there's so much in those turn and burn that. That's all they know. and every single agency founder that we've ever worked with, and I truly believe everyone that we will continue to work with. One of the first things that they ask us is like, well, how do other people do it?
Oh, yeah, because you have the experience. That's one of the most valuable pieces that I hear with working with you, or just that they ask me, like, what are your other clients doing? I'm like, oh, it's kind of cool because they're in a silo and you have datasets. I'm like, oh, this is actually working over here. We should just implement that or something,
Exactly. And if they've only ever asked that question of their little bubble and they're in their own little echo chamber of, again, kind of the turn and burn unit, then I can't fault them. I really can't fault them for that.
it's not to follow, but I just think that you're going to get squeezed to level up either forcefully or you do it voluntarily is what I'm saying with what we're going to be able to see of what's possible. Even me, I'm trying to figure out how to build some agents for some of the work that we're doing.
Yeah. Same.
So no, and I appreciate that empathy and making sure that we, yeah, they may only know that, but it's also the either have to face the music or hopefully hear this and voluntarily choose like, Hey, there must be a third path versus what I'm being told.
Yeah. Now, I will fault them if they put their head in the sand. Right? and they just, they're just like, nope, not going to deal with it. Like I can keep making money the way I'm making money. You know,
Oh Yeah.
those, yeah, okay, those, let's put them on the shelf, like, who we're really here, to help and to support because I truly believe there are so many small agency founders out there that are desperate. To evolve. They're desperate to learn and grow and find these communities, these agency related communities to see, like, yeah, what are people doing?
What is everyone else working on that is going to level us up holistically and yeah, I 100 percent agree that the trajectory that we're on is not somewhere that I have any full insight into, three, 10 years down the line.
You know, and at the same time, like the short term, you know, looking at like the next year, like there's so much opportunity for digital marketing and advertising agencies, to really lean in and like have a fun time getting back to their roots, like why they got into this in the first place.
Yeah, I think the soft skills and the creative and the
¶ Combining Business Models for Success
net new thinking is where it's heading. And one of the things, so this is like one of the final topic that I want to dive into with you is you hit on it. Strategic thinking, plus the technical capabilities. I'm seeing right now that just having one core service. Is not a viable business model in the agency space. you're doing a community on top of your core service. So like, that's something that I want to lean into and understand more about what you're doing there.
But I talked to agency guy over in Utah. And he was telling me that he does that. Plus he does like a recruitment thing, plus like a training thing to implement specific technical people on top of his services. So I'm seeing a combination of business models. I can even see right now with the SAS era, SAS went through it's recession a couple of years back. And I think right now, it's just getting brutally difficult To grow SAS companies.
Cause everyone's copying and anyways, that's a whole thing in itself. But what I'm going to expect is that we're going to see SAS players come out through a consultative front end where they do the consulting strategy. And then the SAS is part of the implementation plan and it's no longer SAS pricing and I'm not sure if you purchase software nowadays, like everyone's either huddled up and said, Hey, we're going to charge 700 bucks a month minimum for all of our tools.
I'm like, what is going on here? What happened to the 29, 30, a hundred bucks a month? But all that to say is that I think that the evolution of the business model is going to go beyond just a core service. It has to be something where you become deeply embedded in the partner or in the client that you're working with or even what you're doing here is combining two different business models. The fractional implementation model, maybe the strategic arm plus the community arm.
So share with me some of your thoughts around that because you're actually doing it
Yeah, so. I will say yes and all of my team members that are gonna watch this later or listen to it later will all giggle because I use yes and, like, all the time. Definitely comes from that improv theater background Yes, I agree. And I will say to every agency owner listening to this, don't do that until you really have that core dialed in because that's where we see every single one of them.
Break is that they have this big picture vision of like all these different things that they can do and they've got these ideas of how that value can help their customers But they don't even have their core service or their core offering solid.
dialed in with deliverables, LTV
Yes. so yeah 100 percent agree that ultimately The better option is to expand and, and this is where, again, we can be a little creative with it because once you have like your core service, you know, your core offering really dialed in, you've got all the playbooks, you've got things, you know, really working like clockwork, you know, and you're getting the feedback, you know, from your team and from your clients that they've got new ideas and they're now they're starting to evolve the actual
service and the offering, not just you, the owner, you know, and your inputs. So like that to me is like, okay, now you can look outside and be a little creative because it could be that yes, you have ancillary services or product offerings, you know, that you can develop and add, you know, as value ads, you know, for your business to grow as well as bring the value to your clients, but it doesn't have to be just you. Right. It could be that you actually look at it from a partner perspective.
I know a lot of agencies have done this in the past with more of the white label model, right? They may say, okay, I want to offer this particular service, you know, but we don't have the right team in place or the right tools or the right processes. So we're just going to white label it out, you know, and have another company or another agency do that work. Honestly, I'm seeing the trends.
That that's still viable, and the customers really like transparency, especially in this day and age of using more generative. a lot of customers we see from our agency founders and some of the feedback they're giving us. And what we see, like, boots on the ground with our ops managers, you know, is that. The customers are asking like, okay, who actually made this? Did you do that? Like, where did this come from? Right?
I had that yesterday. So it's like, Oh, I edited. So I was like, Whoa, that's good. Is that you or AI? I'm like, Oh, that was me. It's like, Oh, good job.
Yes. You know, and it's wild because I even had, I'm getting probably a little more paranoid now, you know, but even on like some calls, even some zooms that I'm having, I'm like, kind of looking around. I'm like, is this, is this real? Or is this
this is time for me to come clean. You've been talking to
Hey, you did a great job. So it looks great. But yeah, like I think genuinely, you know, the greater public, you know, is perking up and really starting to notice, you know, and so they're going to ask those questions. And the more transparent and honest agencies can be with them and say, yeah, this is our policy on using generative AI. This is how we've implemented it in our systems
Then very few people even have that Paul, like a policy on AI. Like I did a training the other day and like, You guys need to have like an internal, like what's allowable, what's not allowable and what data can you upload? Cause like, you know, you're, if you fork over client data or financial data, like you're literally giving it to the public,
100%. Yeah, it's so important. And those are the pieces of the puzzle that agency owners don't think about their team doesn't think about. And so that's again, the function of the operator is to be able to have that risk management function that they can bring to the table and say, hey, like, let's bring this. to the forefront. Let's talk about it. Maybe we don't have an AI policy that everybody agrees with right away. That's okay. It's iterative. It's going to iterate legitimately.
There's going to be changes. So have a rough draft. We'll get something on paper. Right? And so absolutely. I think there is more. a slight impact with being transparent, and being honest that people are starting to move away from white label a little bit, you know, and, or if they continue it, it's not under this white label anymore. It's just like these are, this is my partner. And so, how?
to manage that relationship too.
Oh yeah, because Instead of having this whole telephone game, okay, the customer said this, and then we brought it back to the account manager, and then they talked with the team, and then they talked with the white label professionals, and then you have to go back again. And, in one of our agencies in, I think it was in December when they were doing their quarterlies, and it was like end of year planning, and then end of quarter, reflection as well.
They did a game that was a virtual game, and it was kind of like Pictionary meets, telephone game. three steps in, easily, it started changing. Right? All the way
crazy.
Oh, and it's with agencies that like we're in there talking and teaching them on like remote communication and, you know, clarity, you know, in your written format as well as your verbal format. So there's always room to grow.
Let me just say and absolutely like if you've got your core service offering, you've got things dialed in and you want to expand and truly add value or increase the quality for the sake of that, not for just like adding in, you know, a line item to the invoices for clients, right? Because if it's a money making, you know, endeavor, and that's the whole purpose of it, right? Again, I'm going to put that on the shelf with just the turn and burn.
No, there's a balance between a
yeah, you can have incredible profits and focus on quality at the same time. And, and so, yeah, instead of having it behind the scenes or, you know, kind of under the table, bring it out into the open. And so if it's not you, meaning like the agency itself with either the team or hiring and finding other individuals, maybe it's partnering with other agencies that already have that. Product dialed in. Yeah.
¶ Building a Community and Adding Value
And just start to collaborate. You know, I think there's gonna be more opportunities in the future to keep collaborating and expand. And I've been very lucky that, you know, in our business, you know, we have 2 very distinct and Amazing audiences. We've got the agency founders that, God, I know we can help them. We can get them back to having peace of mind and true work life benefit, right? And imbalance. And then we've got the operations professionals.
Who are almost always an agency is the only one of their kind. They're living out on an island, right? They're doing everything themselves. And very similar to the agency owner, they don't always know what they're doing. They're making it up as they go along because they have to. They're creative. They're problem solvers. They're go getters. They're driven to fulfill the vision of that agency owner. And that's where, like, our community comes in is it's actually specific to those operators.
Because a lot of agency founders, there are tons of amazing communities for them. And who knows where it'll grow for us, you know, in the future as well, because we've got amazing agency founders that we'd love to connect. But we have the community for the operators, and then we've got the fractional services specifically for the agency founders.
And then I'll give you a sneak peek, you know, that throughout this year, we're also building out our programs and having more opportunities where those two individuals can be in the same room and start sharing the same language and learning together. So we're going to master classes, boot camps, like, all that kind of stuff, but It's in the works that's coming in 2025 for us as well.
Yeah, I mean, that goes back to the original point. You created a flywheel to add more value, and it's a symbiotic relationship to both parties and the market. So, I love that. Leia, where can people go to want to thank you for being on and also learn more about what you're up to?
Definitely check me out on LinkedIn. That's where I'm most active. As you can find me at Leah Leaves on LinkedIn. Or just search for Alderaan. There's not a lot of Alderaans out there. Alderaan Operations Solutions. The other is our website, which is alderaan. com. And if anyone hasn't recognized the relationship of Alderaan, I'll share it now. So Alderaan is Princess Leia's home planet in Star Wars.
It's not a trap, is what she's trying to say.
Exactly.
Oh, man. Leia, I love all of our conversations. I appreciate for being on, and we'll go from here. Thank you.
Thank you. This was such a blast.
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