¶ Musical Journey and Inspiration
Welcome to Detangle , where we untangle the complexities of life one conversation at a time . I am your host , Dr Kinjal Goel , a psychologist and a writer . If there ever was a strange friendship , ours would be it . My guest today is someone I have deeply admired as an artist .
You probably know her for her super hit melodies like Ghode Pe Savar and Fero Na Najar Se Najariya . We have with us Sirisha Bhagwatullah . Welcome to Retangle , Sirisha .
Thank you so much , kinjal ji .
It's been so nice knowing you , Sirisha . Since almost a year more than a year now and I have been following your journey . It is simply so beautiful .
Thank you so much . And likewise I've found a beautiful friend , yeah , so I'm equally happy to be here .
Well , let's get started . So many things that our audience doesn't know about you . Let me start with the questions and let's see where they lead us .
Yes , definitely definitely so .
tell me , sirisha , tell me all about your childhood . Was it always a career in films and music that you thought about , or did you have different dreams ?
So my childhood was full of music , but I've never even in my wildest dreams imagined that I would take music as a profession . It has always been my passion and it continues to be so . So I come from a musical family . Nobody has taken it professionally , but my grandfather is a poet , writer , drama artist , and he writes songs in Telugu .
So me and my sister . My sister is also a singer , she is Saujanya Bhagwatula . So we both have started quite early . I think even before my schooling , I was made to join into music classes . How nice . So , yeah , I think at the age of three and a half and my sister was seven . So that's when we started learning music .
And also at home there was this musical environment . My grandfather , of course , used to teach us , and my father sings and he also plays keyboard . My mom is extremely , you know , interested in music and my grandmother is also very , very she has a musical ear , and my aunties , they , have done diploma in and vocals . So we have quite a musical family .
But nobody has taken it professionally . It's only me and my sister who have , you know , started this journey , and it's quite beautiful .
we are blessed to be here with music how nice , I mean , there was , a , there was always a fertile environment for you to grow , and in that you just , you know , kind of took it on true , true but was there any ? Was any particular person who inspired you to choose this as your career specifically ?
so , initially , my grandfather is our role model even now , because he is . He had no godfathers and you know , but still he made it in . Of course , he has taken both profession and passion . It's not like he has taken up art as his only way of earning , but still we used to get inspired .
We still get inspired from my grandfather , but other than that , professionally , I think I get inspired every day from the lot of artists that I meet . So it will be unfair if I take just a single name . So , right from Lata ji , shreya Ghoshal , arijit Singh , you know , sunu Nigamji , there are a lot of artists that inspire me , and also my co-artists .
So , yeah , each and every day it's it starts with a new zeal to do more it's just so amazing to live in this inspired way , isn't it that every day it starts with a new zeal to do more . It's just so amazing to live in this inspired way , isn't it that every day you have inspiration waiting and then you go hug it and you start your day .
Yeah , how nice . I know that you work with the best in the business and you've had some super hits very early in your career , but has this made your path easier , or do you think it has added the weight of expectations , now that you've already given such beautiful songs ?
yeah , that is quite a loop if you start expecting things , and definitely it'll turn around . So one one thing that I observed in my life is I've never had any dream of , you know , meeting great artists or working for them . I just , I think , followed the rule that I should do my work whatever is in my plate .
I have to , you know , do 100% justice and the rest will follow . So I've never dreamt that I would work with AR Rahman sir , ila Raja sir , and I would get to sing my Bollywood debut for Amit Trivedi sir . So it's all it just happened .
So only thing that I dreamt of is I should be in music , my day should start with music and my day should end with music . That is the only thing , only thing I hope , even now . So , now that there are few hit songs in my you know bio , so definitely it might lead that I am expecting something more , yeah , something like that .
But I have been in that phase as well , so when I had a lot of pressure on myself that what next ? What's the next ? But now I think the only thing that is in my control is to do 100% justice to what I'm given , and the rest is in God's hands , and I totally believe that how wonderful .
It's quite liberating actually as a thought , because so many things are not in our control . You can do your best , some things might work , some things might not work . So it's quite a liberating thought .
True , true , and I've actually gotten a lot of great opportunities after singing for these legends and I still am getting . But my focus right now is not on that . My focus is , if a composer is trusting me , what best I can do for the song .
At the same time , what original music that we are bringing , what impact it will have on the music industry on the whole . So these are the few things that I'm currently obsessed with how nice .
So how many hours a day ? Even now do you need to practice to maintain your voice ?
I heard a recent podcast of , I think , hariharan ji , where he said you should never count how much time you are practicing . So let me be honest . I always used to write down how much time I'm practicing in a day . So I had this weird obsession that I have to make it to 10 000 hours , right ?
I've read it somewhere that if you practice an art for 10 000 hours , it'll you know , yes , you'll be very skilled at it , yeah . So I started writing it and I really lost account after some time because obviously things are not the same . Every day is not the same . So I miss it out on some day . Then I'll be on that FOMO , okay .
So then I understood that it's all a vicious cycle so we have to come out of it . And also , I've read somewhere I think APJ Abdul Kalam's book , or I'm not sure about it only after half an hour or one hour of doing something you will actually get into that thing .
So if you actually practice for half an hour , it doesn't mean that you are 100% focused on it . Only after half an hour you'll half an hour . It doesn't mean that you are 100% focused on it . Only after half an hour you start focusing more . So the initial half an hour is a buffer , oh , but you experience that you feel more focused ?
Oh , definitely .
I personally I mean , although we'll be giving our 100% , but there'll be a phase where you forget what you're doing and that starts only after a few minutes of getting into that thing .
I think it is just like meditation Right , you go deeper as time passes , yeah , right .
And there was a phase , I think before Indian Idol , where again , I'm extremely grateful to that platform because I've gotten the best coaches there . So my coach has given a schedule where we have to practice for around 8 hours in a day , and that was the time when I realized , okay , aise , karna hai , toh , what all ?
I did not even mattering later on , because that's the kind of focus you should be dedication , you should have discipline and all of that counts .
So , yeah , I started observing a lot of change in my voice , my singing style , after doing that , but I'm I should be honest , I couldn't continue it for a long time due to several reasons , because , again , we have to work as well , right , yeah .
So what I hear is that a lot of people think that singing is an innate talent . But you're saying that the more you practice , the more the quality of your voice , the quality of your singing , actually gets trained . It gets better . True , true , very true .
So you know , for all this work , what is the most difficult part physically , emotionally which is that one part that you really struggle with I think music is something that makes you happy and sad at the same time .
True , yeah , like we live in one delusion like I'm talking about . When you perform on stage , the kind of high that you get is something unmatchable . I think that is the kind of craving artists would always have Just to be on stage and try to entertain the people , listening to you and connect to them , interact with them , understand .
Sometimes , while singing , I just look into someone's eyes and the kind of happiness , the energy that they transfer is like the most beautiful thing .
And after that , immediately after we finish the show and come back to my hotel room or wherever , it's just the four walls and me , of course , I'm not talking about the family we finish a show and come back to my hotel room or wherever boom , it's just the four walls and me , of course , like I'm not talking about the family , but when I'm to myself , I
would actually get that low . I would go to that lowest low . So I think every musician feels that it's just energy difference . So that is something I've always been curious Okay , why is it happening so ? Later I understood that that's how it is for every musician and that is one thing . And when you ask , physically , what is tiring ?
Definitely it should be travel . It's so much fun . Travel is so much fun . At the same time , it's extremely tiring and stressful when you have to perform , you have to catch that flight , right , yeah . So all the stress , and also on the show day , I'll be totally , you know , in that vulnerable state .
If there is a show in the evening , from morning I'll be anxious about how it's going to be , what are my paths and all of that . So it's fun , yet you know stressful .
I love the way you've described this peak and the ebb of energy , because it's so physical , but it's so difficult to describe that you've just been so high and then your adrenaline has just gone and you're in that low .
I mean you can actually physically start feeling it as headaches , as fatigue , as difference in energy , but you've just described it so simply that it's easy for people to understand what artists now go through . So , like you said , you know music is beautiful , music is heartbreaking all at once .
So , as a listener , music can move me very physically , but you also get affected when you're singing a sad song or a very moving song . Do you well up sometimes ?
¶ The Power of Music in Memories
of course , and I would mention here that Perona Najaria , the song which I've got to sing for Amitravedi sir . So during the , the recording itself , there was a beautiful moment that I can never forget in my life . So , like you know , it's my debut into Bollywood , and even before Kode Pe Savar , perona Najariya was recorded .
So the first time I entered everything was new . I'm given a brief about the concept Like she's a playback singer , like she's a playback singer , she's not a playback singer , it's her first playback song . So that's how I should sing , not completely a professional , kind of a little bit of immature-ish singing . It should be .
At the same time , it should be perfect enough that it should make to a movie . So that was a brief which was given . And Perona Najaria , on the other hand sorry , I was talking about Gode Pe Sava , that was a brief For Perona Najaria I was told that I have to impress my mother , right , yeah ?
So when I was singing that song I literally , you know , lost myself . And also it was recorded live with all the instruments . So it was a surreal feeling . This kind of recording used to happen 40 years before , like when there was no advancement in the technology then . So that's how they used to record right All the instruments and the singer together .
So that's the kind of experience that I got in this generation . So I'm extremely grateful , and when I was recording I literally , after singing the Perunanajariya last line , I literally cried and I could see everybody in the studio standing up and clapping for me , and even Tripti ma'am and Anvita ma'am , everybody had tears in their eyes .
So music can do something to you . You just , you know , have to let it do to you . That's the thing I felt , so you should not have barriers . Okay , music , the song is different from me . If you keep it like that , it's very difficult to get into a song . So you have to internalize the song and then it will do magic .
So , yeah , there are a lot of times that I get affected with sad song . Especially , there is a song called Mujhe Chodke Kyo Gaye by Shreya Ghoshal ma'am , and Hariharan sir has also sung that and especially this Raag called Charu Kesh . Really , you know , hits my heart in a way that that cannot be explained .
I think Ferona Najaria is one of the reasons why how we met , at least virtually , that is the song that we used to play on loop at home . My daughter loves it , my husband loves it and I was so physically touched by your voice in the song that I actually had to find you and it took me that .
You know , it was that energy behind the song that I reached out to people . I had no idea who you were , I had no idea where you were , but the song was so powerful that it connected us .
Yeah , I remember . I'm so glad that it could touch hearts , beautiful hearts like yours .
How nice . So tell me , you mentioned a very happy memory already , but is there any other memory which is one of your happiest memories in singing in this industry there ?
are lots . Music itself is a very , uh , you know , intense thing that you feel , either extremely happy or extremely sad , or all kinds of emotions . So , yeah , there are a lot of things that uh , make me happy when I'm with music , like , for example , whenever I go to raiman's studio .
He would if at all he's there in the studio he'd be like hey , sirisha , how are you ? Then I'll feel okay , wow , he remembers my name . The little things add up Exactly . And also every time I hear audience cheering up for me .
And one more thing of all the songs , my family is extremely supportive and but they've never particularly , you know , praised both of us , me and up , me and my sister . They wouldn't praise us for each and every release or every song , so they would just be happy for us . They'll keep sharing it .
But when I went to my house after kala's release , my father was humming one of the songs from kala , so that is when I was , you know , really touched . Okay , now , this is an achievement how nice .
The subtleties of emotions are , just so beautiful yeah , it's so true .
I think that's what we all live for . It's not the awards , so definitely mitchy music award , change maker award . I could have easily mentioned it if I would have felt it . Of course , I'm extremely grateful for that . But yeah , there are . There is something more than that I think I have to mention .
I went to Bahrain , I think , and there was a family who literally came to me after the show and they were sharing their experience of how , how art changed their lives . So initially , that family there was wife and husband and daughter . So the husband apparently lost his job due to some reasons and he was in a very bad phase .
So they used to play continuously , all loop , every day , and somehow that uplifted their mood , it seems , and he came out of that depression and now he's doing extremely well in his new job . So here he wouldn't I mean he doesn't need to mention that to me and give credits to me , but still he did which shows how music can move people and change lives .
So I felt extremely grateful how empowering truly empowering this is . Yeah , so of course it's not at all my credit , but still it's so sweet of them to mention that to me .
True , yeah . So , siddhisha , if there was one thing that you could change about the music industry , at least in India , what would it be ?
We have to keep changing with the trends and , of course , without losing the integrity trends and , of course , without losing the integrity . That's what I have been focusing on . But I think this a thought of , uh , you know , making trendy music instead of touching something that I that is troubling all the artists , I think .
So maybe if we can change that and I have to mention here , recently we have released I mean , one of my friends released a song , a retro vibe song , and it has picked up quite well on the internet now . So it's just that we have to put in efforts to bring back the beauty and we should never blame that audiences listening to this kind of music .
Whatever we give , they'll consume . So it's on us to work on the kind of music that we are releasing . So maybe , if we can , we all can together change it . The golden era of music will be back again .
I agree . There's still a lot of good work happening alongside all this mishmash of trendy music , as we call it . We just need to feed the right wolf . We need to feed the right kind of music , so we hear more and more of that .
Exactly exactly . And yeah , I'm glad that nowadays a lot of beautiful music is picking up and we are getting to listen to that . So , yeah , very lucky in that way .
True . So your field as a musician , as a singer , it is a beautiful combination of art and science . It's all of it in the same breath . You need technique , creativity and talent to ace this particular zone . But what part of this do you enjoy the most ?
so I've learned from my gurus that technique is something that works only when you are practicing . So once you're on , uh , when once you're recording , it's only the feel . So , like you said , it's a combination of everything technique , skills , talent but at the end of the day , it's the feel that touches the soul .
So I think feel is beyond everything , and that is what bringing life to the song means Just giving the song the right amount of feel that it requires that it touches the audience's heart .
Right , so you put all your thought into it earlier , and then all that is left is the emotion , and that is what really matters .
Yeah , that is the idea , but yeah , it's a long way to go and I'm working on it and I really love that kind of approach Beautiful .
So is there something you would want to tell your 14-year-old self ? Let's say you could give advice to a 14-year-old Sirisha . What would you tell her ?
Don't waste your time , practice , practice . No , like jokes apart , I used to practice , but I've never taken it quite seriously like I used to enjoy practicing . I was in quite a lot of reality shows all my life being a child . I've seen that competition and you know the kind of failures , setbacks , the humiliations , everything .
So I'm glad that I've had a lovely support from people around me which didn't let me get dejected for anything . So I remember one of the reality shows I got eliminated and I was asked to speak and I said I've learned my mistakes and I feel I've won this show .
So that is the ultimate goal that yesterday you might be the winner of the biggest show but next day you have you're starting from zero . So if you just carry that forward and go ahead , it's not gonna work . So I would absolutely say don't take the reality shows um result very seriously , but the journey is what what made me .
So take that seriously and try to work on your goals . Very beautifully put , thank
¶ Navigating Music Career Challenges and Inspiration
you .
There are so many things that you've been learning . Like you said , it's the whole journey . I'm sure now , as a professional musician , you also have to learn about finance . You have to learn about the business of music . But is there something you wish somebody had taught you earlier in life , something you learned the hard way ?
Yes , like you mentioned , after me and my friend sterling started this label called work originals , so we have understood quite a lot of things . So right now , music is in that uh phase , like I'm I'm not a big shot to say this , but it's more like a business .
So keeping your passion on one hand and maintaining the business side of it on the other hand is extremely difficult because they're always contradicting every time . So your heart says something , but your mind says no , this is totally wrong . So to maintain a balance without losing the integrity , try to touch people's hearts with your music .
At the same time , make money out of it just because you can invest more and bring more music to people . So that maybe these techniques or you know , there is a lot to learn . We are still working on it . Maybe if I would have known earlier , it would . There is a lot to learn . We are still working on it .
Maybe if I would have known earlier , it would have saved a lot of time and effort , but still , it's a long way to go . Even now , I think , yeah , that is something that I would have wished , and also a lot of techniques that I learned during Indian Idol .
Like I said , the coaches have taught beautiful ways to learn , so if I would have known earlier , yeah , but nevertheless , no regrets . How ?
nice . So I have known you since a while now and I know that you've had your ups and downs , even with your health . Sometimes you have to perform , but you're not in the best of health , so all this requires a lot of energy . It requires a lot of effort to keep going . So what motivates you to do this , even when you're at your lowest .
I've again gotten inspired from a lot of interviews that I listened to . So I've listened to an interview where Shreya Ghoshal said if you start your day with one song of Lata Mangeshkarji's , it can never go wrong . So right . So I really try to implement that .
So everyday I would wake up and start playing Airy Pawan or Vorbhai , and of course you'll get you'll get a direction for the entire day . So that is one thing I'm really , you know , trying to follow every day . So it's just the music that inspires how nice .
So instead of waiting for inspiration to find you , you go ahead and start your day with inspiration oh , and it makes a lot of difference , and I've also seen the days when I simply wouldn't start my day with music and it goes waste I agree , some people need a workout , some people need inspiration .
We all need our own little things . We just need to identify it , true ?
and also it's not like what , what you do in a single day . It's about the consistency . It's about facing the biggest challenge but again , not refusing to get that into you and just try to leave it and let go of it and go ahead . So all these , and it's not like I've learned all of it and I'm preaching it . It's all a lesson for me as well true .
So you know , that is one of the reasons I really wanted you on my podcast , because I've had a lot of seniors , I've had a lot of veterans in their fields .
But for somebody at your age to have done so much and yet learning all the time , performing all the times the very fresh perspective , you know you're not jaded , you're not set in stone , you're malleable , you're growing and that's just so , so beautiful thank you .
And uh , of course , some days are like unlearning becomes important more than learning sometimes . Oh yes , because you come with a preoccupied notion that if you do like this it will work , but when you actually implement it , it's just the opposite . It doesn't work that way . So unlearning is another very important thing that I've learnt from my gurus .
You know , everyday you have to unlearn something and learn something new again a very , very , very , very important part , because we all have been taught how to learn in school , but nobody taught us how to unlearn , exactly exactly , and only when you go to that wrong path you'll understand that it doesn't work and you'll change the direction correct , it's all
experiential learning . Yeah , so , sirisha , mental health has deteriorated all over consistently with the advent of social media . You're quite active on social media yourself , but how do you draw a line and not get stuck in this rut ?
I cannot lie . I think I sometimes get carried away . Get carried away because it's I'm always in that , you know that line where I don't know whether I should be putting up more content so that I can reach more audience , or should I , you know , detach myself from it and work only on the other aspects . So I've been in that dilemma for quite a long time .
So now I'm slowly getting to draw a line where I do whatever is required for social media . At the same time , I wouldn't miss out on what I have to do in a day , for example , if I have to work out , if I have to practice .
So first I'll put up a schedule where I finish all that off , then I'm a bit confident and then I'll start working on the content side of it . Yeah , just posting photos so as to engage people , and , you know , posting the photos along with my song , so that it's a two-way right . So my song , but also being active , so these kind of things .
I've started finding out and making covers of my own songs , which are not very well received , so that it would , you know , create an impact . You reinvent yourself , yeah , right . So yeah , it's a constant struggle , I think . But see , I'm still nothing . I'm just starting my career .
But people like Rehman sir , who always is super active on Instagram , sharing so much of inspiring content , I really get you know inspired from him the way he's constantly changing himself to keep the trend , maintain the trend .
True ? So , Suresh , let me ask you a question that I love asking all my guests . This is something very personal to me . We all have a physical first aid box at home , right With our band-aids and our little painkillers for those little days of cuts and bruises where we need to take care of ourselves .
But what if you had a mental first aid box which you could just open on a bad day and whatever is inside makes you smile ? What would you put in your little mental first aid box ?
you know thought-provoking question . So , yeah , I think my mental first aid box has always been my family , right ?
Yeah , so it's the memories that I spent with my family , my brothers , my sister and my friends , and , yeah , I would store that in one corner of the mental first aid box and the other corner I think I will go with all the blessings that I receive . I think gratitude is beyond everything .
The more I feel grateful for something , the more it attracts positivity . So , yeah , I always feel grateful for what all experiences that I had in the music field and , to be honest , mental first aid box is music always so .
I have your song in my mental first aid box that's really good .
Yeah , sometimes I heard a lot of artists or singers say that they don't listen to their own songs . But I detach myself from my song and listen to it as an audience sometimes . So that really helps me . Like , there is a song called which I got to sing for Rahman sir in Telugu .
So that is one song which really helps me in that there is a line called Kalamima okay , it's in Telugu which says time will change and you will find your answers for everything . So that kind of is very healing how beautiful .
So , before we come to an end of this absolutely fantastic conversation , is there any question you have for me as a psychologist ?
Oh , okay , yes , I've been meaning to ask this for a long time and I'm glad I'm here on your podcast show . So there's a word that is being circulated a lot like not now , it's been a long time FOMO fear of missing out , right . So how do we cope up with that ?
Because personally , I would give a context so most of my life I've been traveling a lot like for at least for the past five years . So I get a amazing opportunity when I'm in Chennai , when I'm in Mumbai , so I would miss out on that . And there is this constant fear okay , what if I'm traveling now and I would be missing out on something ?
Is there any way to cope up with that ? Or you know how to ?
come out of it . You know , the most beautiful way to counter POMO is JOMO . I don't know if you've heard of that . It's the joy of missing out . Yeah , it's the joy of not doing things which are not important enough . And you kind of start looking at it from both ways , right .
So because you are in a particular city doing a particular show , you are missing out on maybe an opportunity somewhere , but you're also getting to avoid all the unnecessary stuff . You don't need to be present where you know they can just say , oh , you're not in town .
So basically , we are all trying to segregate our lives into these little boxes where we do whatever is the most important to us . Everything else is going to beate our lives into these little boxes where we do whatever is the most important to us . Everything else is going to be in our faces .
Now , because of instagram , right , everybody will be posting about it , everybody will be talking about it . So it is elevated . But eventually it was just that one evening which everybody will forget about , or it was just that one thing that everybody will let slide soon .
What your experience in person is actually richer than what you have missed out , let's say online or whatever you're seeing online , just that little experience of being somewhere and you know , like you said , connecting with people , being able to talk to people , it's so rich by itself .
I'm sure your experiences are somebody else's FOMO , so so you know , it's the whole perspective that you've actually missed out on , a lot of things that you should not have spent your energy on anyway . Your energy , your experiences , your shows . I'm sure somebody somewhere is saying , oh my God , I'm missing Sirisha's show today . I didn't want to miss it .
Wow , that's a really beautiful perspective .
I'm glad I asked this and I'm glad you asked me to ask a question , because , yeah , it totally changed my perspective so you know , I always do , at the end of each podcast , I ask my guests to ask me , because psychology , mental health , it's part of all our lives .
No matter what you're doing , whether you you're a writer , singer , doctor , you know , in athletics , whatever the mind always plays a very , very important role .
And I've been advised by one of my judges in a reality show that come out of your head . So I've faced that a lot . I've been in my head for quite a long time and it's only when I I think I might sound silly , but I , when I started working out it actually , or doing yoga , it actually brought a lot of change in me as a person as well .
So once my head is cleared , then I started thinking clearly about what is important and what is not . So yeah it , it is true how nice , sirisha
¶ Inspirational Musician
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When we started this conversation , honestly , I was here to talk to a friend . I was here to talk to somebody who inspires me . But I have learned so much I mean from your dad humming your song to the way you live inspired , to the way you live in gratitude . There is so much for everyone to learn from you . Your humility , your starting off .
You're still at the top . It's just so amazing . You bring in a lot . You bring in a lot to the table , a lot of energy to the music world . We wish you all the very best for beautiful songs in the future .
We wish to hear a lot more of you , and I'm going to end this with a soundtrack from your own movie , kala , so that the audience knows whom I'm talking about . But thank you so much for taking the time and being on Detangled with me today .
Thank , you so much , absolutely my pleasure and I think my day is going to be amazing after this . Thanks a lot , charisha . Would you like to sing a line from Ghoda pe Sawar for us live , okay .
Thank you , wow , sirisha . Thank you so much . This was the most beautiful end to a most beautiful conversation , wishing you all the very best . Thank you so much . Thanks a lot .
