96. Dissolving Ego: The Essential Role of Humility in Development

Anatoliy [00:00:00]:
On this week's episode, getting the information is not the hard part. Getting rich, for example, in America or making like, a lot of money. This is not where, like, you need to ride a horse, like for like two weeks to get to the library, to potentially get like one book somewhere.

Eldar [00:00:12]:
You're gonna go on a journey for a very long time just to recognize that you're a fucking arrogant piece of shit.

Anatoliy [00:00:18]:
The people in your life that you dislike the most probably have the most to offer you, like from like a learning perspective.

Eldar [00:00:23]:
So what are we saying? We saying anything? Or is this just a philosophy bubble?

Mike [00:00:27]:
Saying we got to start a university.

Eldar [00:00:46]:
So something big, which is the.

Mike [00:00:48]:
Name big camera across your desk.

Eldar [00:00:50]:
Yeah, something big came across your desk.

Anatoliy [00:00:53]:
So this is not Mike part six.

Eldar [00:00:55]:
Yeah, we could transition into that.

Anatoliy [00:00:57]:
Or, Mike, would you like to go off?

Mike [00:00:59]:
No, I'd like to hold back a little.

Mike [00:01:01]:
Oh, wow.

Eldar [00:01:02]:
I like that.

Anatoliy [00:01:02]:
So Mike holds back part twelve.

Mike [00:01:04]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:01:08]:
No, I think that the topic of humility is extremely important. It's huge for self development and everything. There's a lot there. But obviously, totally. You had some kind of a special experience.

Mike [00:01:25]:
You had a revelation, I would say. Yeah. The lunch is kicking in.

Anatoliy [00:01:30]:
No, I'm just not sure how would you introduce it as like a topic?

Mike [00:01:36]:
Well, do you remember what you said?

Anatoliy [00:01:37]:
I did, yeah, I said that. To me, a very important thing in life is, I guess, pursuit of humility.

Mike [00:01:47]:
Right.

Mike [00:01:47]:
You said it's the most important thing, I think.

Anatoliy [00:01:49]:
Yeah, I think it's the most important.

Mike [00:01:50]:
A lot of times you said you made the statement like, yo.

Anatoliy [00:01:53]:
Yeah, but others are saying that. I'm saying that now there's going to be something else.

Eldar [00:01:56]:
Well, I think for you specifically in this moment, is this what you are feeling then? It is for sure. I think that if what you're saying is true for you and you become actually humble, like you said you want to, then that stage or that development step is done. And then you're going to go into something else. We're not sure what something else is going to be.

Mike [00:02:23]:
Right.

Eldar [00:02:24]:
But right now this is the most important thing for you. But I think that overall, I think it holds a lot of weight. This specific topic of humility. Right. For learning, for growth, for being humble and being a good person. Righteous, good, kind. There's so much that's tied to, I think, humility and being humble.

Mike [00:02:50]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:02:50]:
Maybe we should talk about that. What does it mean to be humble?

Eldar [00:02:53]:
No, I would say, why does he feel like it's the most important thing? What's his reasons to say that first and see whether or not those reasons are actually universal for everyone else or is it just very personal thing for him?

Anatoliy [00:03:08]:
Yeah, I look at it from this way, is that I feel like a lot of people, when they approach learning something, like accomplishing something.

Mike [00:03:20]:
I don't know.

Anatoliy [00:03:20]:
Overcoming something like desire to do something.

Mike [00:03:23]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:03:24]:
Whatever it is that their pursuit of or their desire is, it could be anything. It could be like, I mean, it doesn't have to be like righteous things. It could be like, hey, I want to get rich.

Eldar [00:03:37]:
Okay?

Mike [00:03:37]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:03:38]:
It could be anything, any kind of desire, if you just think about whatever ones you have, like whatever goals you have, whatever you want to do, right? And I think that whatever that is, I think people lots of times will focus on the steps that they either think or maybe be outlined or have been advised of what to do to get there.

Mike [00:03:59]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:04:00]:
But I think that no matter what the actual content is and anything, that is not the hard part about this. The hard part is that if you're not humble, then during that process you will have an extremely difficult time learning. That's one thing. The second thing is that if you're not humble, you will most likely go down the wrong path and you will spend a long time going down a way that you thought would get you somewhere. For example, if you want to get rich, you will go down a particular path and that led you there because you were not humble to begin with when it comes to process of learning.

Mike [00:04:38]:
Wow.

Anatoliy [00:04:38]:
And you made particular assumptions and now you're many years in, for example, to doing something that's not going to get to you there regardless.

Mike [00:04:48]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:04:49]:
And if you track back what, lots of times those people will, they can pivot towards doing something else or they can have an excuse or whatever it is. But if you really track back what happened there, I guarantee you in some earlier mid stages, there was a point where they were not humble and they kind of just had a hard time learning because of that, because they did not allow themselves to learn. If you're not humble, then you don't allow yourself to learn in that subject. Therefore, there's going to be many opportunities for you to make many different assumptions that you're probably going to be wrong about to begin with. So I think that my point here about this is that no matter what the actual content is, the information, getting the information is not the hard part, like getting rich, for example, in America, or making a lot of money. This is not where you need to ride a horse for two weeks to get to the library to potentially get one book somewhere, you have information at your fingertips. There's like a million videos about everything now in any kind of subject about making money and whatever. Finance, tech, like everything, right.

Anatoliy [00:06:03]:
So many gambling, so many stocks, whatever it is, right. Marketing, whatever it is, right. All different kinds of career paths, right. You have no money, you could do anything still, even if you don't want to be entrepreneurial, you could still just borrow money, go become a doctor, you could go become a lawyer, you could go do anything. You could learn any kind of trade with government assistance. I'm pretty sure that you don't need to have any kind of capital to go down any of these paths.

Mike [00:06:31]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:06:31]:
The government will loan you money for education. So to me, I think a lot of people think that the difficulties is in finding some kind of secret sauce or some kind of magic or they're trying to focus on the content itself. When to me, when I look at it, the information is the easy part. Now, having your mind allow yourself to process the information correctly and extract the right things out of it, that is the hard part. And I feel like it's never a focus. The focus is always on the content itself.

Mike [00:07:08]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:07:09]:
What do I have to learn?

Eldar [00:07:10]:
That's a very interesting premise of what you're saying.

Anatoliy [00:07:13]:
Yeah. What subject lines do I have to learn? What tactics do I need to learn?

Mike [00:07:18]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:07:19]:
Yeah. That's where the focus is. But if you're not humble, you're not going to get any of this information in the proper way to allow for the proper progression that needs to happen to begin with.

Mike [00:07:29]:
Wow.

Anatoliy [00:07:30]:
So it doesn't matter what it is.

Mike [00:07:32]:
Wow.

Anatoliy [00:07:33]:
Right. That's the way I look at it, is that there's a content and then there's a way that you need for your mind to absorb it. And if you don't take the wrong steps, if you don't take the right steps, sorry. You will not be able to absorb that information the right way to lead you to where you want to go to begin with.

Mike [00:07:54]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:07:56]:
And probably I would even argue as far as, like, if you're not humble, you might have the wrong desire. So what you think will happen at the end of it regardless.

Mike [00:08:04]:
Okay. Right.

Anatoliy [00:08:06]:
So maybe if you think that becoming rich will make you happy. Right. That is a theory that you have, right?

Mike [00:08:14]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:08:14]:
Where did that theory come from?

Mike [00:08:18]:
If you keep tracking back, I guarantee.

Anatoliy [00:08:20]:
You that it'll come from someplace that is probably not humble. Yeah.

Eldar [00:08:26]:
You were holding back.

Mike [00:08:28]:
What do you mean?

Eldar [00:08:28]:
You wasn't in the beginning. You're like I don't know where to start on how to say, well, I.

Anatoliy [00:08:31]:
Mean, I was trying to just, I.

Mike [00:08:32]:
Mean you said a lot.

Eldar [00:08:34]:
I mean that's a pretty serious hypothesis, right? Or theory. And that's a pretty strong one, you know what I mean? He's almost saying that, hey, that success or the fucking gold mine at the end of the rainbow that you're looking.

Mike [00:08:49]:
For, it's impossible if you don't go.

Eldar [00:08:52]:
Through the process of humility, being humble, right?

Mike [00:08:56]:
Which is going to allow you to learn.

Eldar [00:08:59]:
Because if you don't learn tofu, you're going to go on a journey for a very long time just to recognize that you're a fucking arrogant piece of shit.

Mike [00:09:11]:
Wow. I agree with him, okay, what he's saying. But I don't think you want to say you maybe use humility. I think the sequence of events of people's lives, like the importance of philosophy and examining your life, it's not only humility.

Anatoliy [00:09:34]:
Well, no, there is no examining of your life. There is no philosophy.

Mike [00:09:38]:
Yeah, I know.

Mike [00:09:38]:
Without humility, right.

Anatoliy [00:09:40]:
Because there could be. No, I don't think that it's possible to you extract anything.

Mike [00:09:49]:
No.

Anatoliy [00:09:49]:
From it.

Mike [00:09:50]:
I'm talking about. Yeah, maybe you're thinking about like older age, let's say from your childhood, from birth. Your parents are now instilling philosophy in you, right? Like the sequence is that from a young age you start thinking about these concepts, right? But because that's not being installed, this is what's happening. But I think the prerequisite to be successful in the way maybe we might agree upon to live a good life, to live a happy life, that's a virtuous life, you need to have the base of some philosophy and then you can decide how you want to apply yourself, whether you want to be a businessman, you want to be a doctor. I think regardless of whatever, I don't think you can live a successful life without having that base. Yeah, but I'm saying that's part of it.

Anatoliy [00:10:45]:
Yeah, but I'm saying that I don't think you can extract any of those kind of philosophies. To even have a base without being humble.

Mike [00:10:52]:
If you're already corrupted. Yes, but if your parents are teaching you from a young age their philosophies and their beliefs and they're selling you within you, why not?

Anatoliy [00:10:59]:
Yeah, no, they would probably have to teach you to be humble first.

Mike [00:11:02]:
Well, if they're teaching you how to.

Mike [00:11:04]:
Live this kind of life, I think part of that would be humility as well.

Anatoliy [00:11:09]:
Well, yeah, but none of us had that.

Mike [00:11:12]:
No, I understand that, but none of us did. But are you saying that's not possible?

Anatoliy [00:11:17]:
No, not that it's not possible. I'm trying to see what's your argument.

Mike [00:11:21]:
I'm not giving an argument.

Mike [00:11:22]:
No, I'm just saying that I think regardless of what you're trying to do, without the aid of philosophy, it's impossible to get to what is a good, happy and successful life. I'm just saying the sequence of events is always wrong. Therefore, people going through this kind of stuff, they're learning in their older age or maybe never learning the importance of this, where this should be the base. I believe this should be the base of your life.

Mike [00:11:49]:
Right.

Mike [00:11:50]:
Because I'm going through certain things, learning things that I should have learned a long time ago.

Mike [00:11:56]:
Right.

Mike [00:11:57]:
The way I look at it now.

Mike [00:11:58]:
Right.

Mike [00:11:58]:
And I think maybe you would agree that you would have preferred to learn the important lessons younger if you had the opportunity. I think people would say they would.

Mike [00:12:09]:
Like to have a good base, a.

Mike [00:12:13]:
Good foundation of how to live your life and what's actually important. Not to be rich billionaire tycoon, but to actually. What does it mean to be successful.

Mike [00:12:22]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:12:23]:
And I'm saying that humility is part of that. It's one part of it.

Mike [00:12:28]:
There's a lot of parts to it.

Mike [00:12:30]:
A lot of good, different things. Like humility is considered a virtue, right?

Eldar [00:12:34]:
Yeah, probably.

Mike [00:12:35]:
So there's a lot of virtuous things that we're not taught. So we're always playing like in the future, somewhere at 30 years old, you're 30 years old.

Anatoliy [00:12:43]:
I'm just more viewing it as that no matter what the age is, no matter what the topic is, if there is first, not like a base of humility on that topic, nothing is going to work at any age for sure.

Mike [00:12:56]:
I agree.

Eldar [00:12:57]:
What he's saying is almost saying that, look, you can do and focus on all the shit, you know what I mean? But the path is still going to go through humility.

Mike [00:13:06]:
I agree.

Anatoliy [00:13:07]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:13:07]:
Humility is true success. And you're talking about true success. He's probably not talking about just like, okay, cool, I'm just going to get all this money and that's it. You know what I mean? He's talking about probably money plus happiness, right?

Anatoliy [00:13:19]:
Yeah, that's whatever that person desires or wants, no matter what. I think I viewed almost as like humility is the compass that helps you make sense of things, of what means what. And if you don't have that, it's like if you look at a map, and there is no compass on the map to tell you.

Mike [00:13:44]:
Okay.

Anatoliy [00:13:44]:
What does an inch in the map. How far is that?

Mike [00:13:46]:
Yeah. Right.

Anatoliy [00:13:48]:
If that stuff is not outlined, then you'll never know what any of this information on this map means.

Mike [00:13:52]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:13:53]:
There has to be a compass to identify things, right. So that you can properly read this map. And that's what I'm saying, is that the map is like information in life, and the compass is humility. And you can look at all this information all day. You will never get it right, never. Without the right levels of humility.

Eldar [00:14:15]:
How confident are you in this?

Anatoliy [00:14:18]:
I can't think of a rebuttal against.

Mike [00:14:20]:
It right now, I guess. Okay. This is huge. This is huge.

Anatoliy [00:14:26]:
And different people have different levels, I think, of humility, but I think a lot of people, even, who think that they're humble, right. They'll still sway off somewhere where they're going to run with an assumption and they're going to create, like, an erie that might be conscious or not, right. And then they're just going to run with it.

Mike [00:14:48]:
Okay. So can you give, I guess, the.

Eldar [00:14:51]:
Listeners some real life examples of humility or kind of putting something like this.

Mike [00:14:58]:
Into practice.

Eldar [00:15:01]:
In layman's terms?

Anatoliy [00:15:02]:
Yeah, I guess there might need somebody start.

Eldar [00:15:05]:
They're like, okay, cool. Sure. Let's just say they blindly trust in you into like, yeah, humility is the path for my success or whatever.

Mike [00:15:12]:
Where do I start?

Eldar [00:15:14]:
How do I do this?

Mike [00:15:16]:
If you're thinking about it, I have a question.

Mike [00:15:19]:
Go ahead. Okay. No, you go ahead.

Anatoliy [00:15:22]:
No, I mean, this is a hard one, too.

Mike [00:15:26]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:15:26]:
It's a hard one to answer because I feel like it routes back to, you need to understand maybe the fundamentals of being humble. And you probably have to examine things like listening.

Mike [00:15:38]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:15:39]:
You probably have to do a lot of self discovery, opening up a lot of unturned stones and seeing what you have to almost reexamine everything that you.

Mike [00:15:52]:
Know about everything, right.

Anatoliy [00:15:55]:
And go at it. I mean, it's hard to probably do it all at once, but go about it.

Eldar [00:16:01]:
If somebody heard this, right? If somebody heard this, you have to examine everything.

Mike [00:16:04]:
You have to look everywhere.

Eldar [00:16:06]:
Now, that's a crazy fucking task.

Anatoliy [00:16:09]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:16:10]:
You have to like.

Mike [00:16:11]:
But I think that's the super important, super necessary.

Eldar [00:16:15]:
I agree. But what he's asking for is like, yo, you got to turn this whole.

Mike [00:16:18]:
Fucking shit upside down. I agree.

Anatoliy [00:16:22]:
Well, yeah, you have to do that. And you have to probably learn probably very good listening skills and attention to detail skills.

Mike [00:16:32]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:16:33]:
And you need to learn how to properly apply those things. I think there is a lot of things involved. I mean, you have to be very.

Mike [00:16:42]:
Patient, but also have a sense of.

Anatoliy [00:16:45]:
Urgency at the same time.

Eldar [00:16:47]:
Okay. Can you give, like, a real life example?

Anatoliy [00:16:49]:
Real life example.

Eldar [00:16:50]:
Think about it.

Anatoliy [00:16:51]:
I mean, the real life example is like, name something that you want to learn, right. And think about in the past. How did you go about trying to learn that, right. And maybe think of something, maybe that you were not successful in because that might be like an easier layup.

Mike [00:17:11]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:17:11]:
Think about something you wanted to do and then think about something that you wanted to do it, and you were not successful in that venture or endeavor or desire. It did not pan out.

Mike [00:17:24]:
Okay. Right.

Anatoliy [00:17:26]:
And then you can probably slowly break down. If you're able to look at it now, you could probably. People always say, right, like, hindsight is 2020, right? What's that line? Once you already have the information, looking back at it is always significantly easier than what happened in the moment, obviously.

Mike [00:17:50]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:17:50]:
So now that you have all the information or allegedly all the information, right. Try to see what went wrong and why and where did you falter. And then I think that you'll be able to route back to particular assumptions you made, right.

Eldar [00:18:07]:
Particularly, what if you already closed those chapters and you kind of already pointed the finger and blamed somebody else for your failure?

Anatoliy [00:18:13]:
Well, that's even better, right? Those are like, things that you could look at that is blatant examples of how your lack of humility resulted in you failing at something.

Mike [00:18:26]:
How do you convince somebody of that?

Anatoliy [00:18:28]:
Well, I mean, there's no convincing of it. You're talking about an individual wanting to learn this for themselves.

Mike [00:18:36]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:18:37]:
Are you talking about someone else pointing it out to somebody else?

Eldar [00:18:41]:
Probably, yeah. I'm leaning towards somebody else. Like, hey, if you have to be humble, have humility, how does that person.

Mike [00:18:46]:
Be like, okay, cool, sure.

Eldar [00:18:49]:
They're oblivious to this thing.

Anatoliy [00:18:51]:
If they're oblivious, they're not willing to look into it.

Mike [00:18:56]:
I think a question maybe you could come to mind is you can ask yourself maybe question or questions, what do you want in your life, right. That you've been thinking about for a while that you haven't achieved, and if you want it and you're not successful, because we can start talking about things.

Eldar [00:19:15]:
No, this is a good one.

Mike [00:19:16]:
We can start listing off, I want to be better in sports. I want to lose weight.

Eldar [00:19:19]:
I want to be healthier long time.

Mike [00:19:21]:
I want to fall in love. These things. People have been carrying the same stuff for many, many years. Mostly we want the same people, same things. If you ask yourself like, hey, what have I tried to achieve in my life that I really want, but I haven't been able to crack it, I think that will say, okay, I got to figure out what am I misperceiving about the actual process of what it is, how to get there, how to be successful at it, how to get it, how to sustain it. I think that's a good question. Or another one. You asked me this a while ago, what are your pain points? What are you suffering from? If you're upset about something, something keeps coming up, always bothering you.

Mike [00:20:01]:
Your relationship with your dad. Maybe you never thought about having a good one, but you constantly have pain from it. Now, maybe you said, yo, I'm never.

Mike [00:20:07]:
Going to fix it.

Mike [00:20:08]:
But if you have pain from there, that's another good indicator that you might want to humble yourself and understand why am I not achieving the stuff that I want in this specific subject?

Eldar [00:20:20]:
Yeah. Because you most likely have appointed yourself as the person who actually knows.

Mike [00:20:23]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:20:24]:
Almost the teacher of the fucking thing. Like, yo, I've tried everything. One of those fucking things.

Mike [00:20:28]:
Yes.

Eldar [00:20:29]:
If you find yourself, okay, this is a good one. You're right. If you find yourself that for a very long time you've been trying to achieve something and it's not working out for you, and you, one of the people that are saying, I've tried everything, that's not going to work, oh, that's a big sign.

Mike [00:20:42]:
That's like a big ass sign. That's your billboard.

Eldar [00:20:44]:
There you go.

Mike [00:20:44]:
There's other ones that are very subtle.

Eldar [00:20:46]:
Yes, but still acknowledging what you're saying and what I'm saying. Acknowledging for an individual is just a fucking.

Mike [00:20:55]:
I think it's easier.

Mike [00:20:56]:
You know why?

Mike [00:20:57]:
Because we all know what are things.

Mike [00:20:59]:
That we're attached to.

Mike [00:21:00]:
I can ask you, what do you really want in your life? And you'll tell me things. You'll have a list of things like, I want to lose weight, right? I want to be healthy. I want to make more money. I want to fall in love. I want to have a good relationship, my friends, my family, whatever, right? Yeah, those things, those are grandiose things, but they're huge. But to solve them, you just have to use the same small tools, which is all the virtuous things, the ego, the killing of the ego, the humility approach, the patience, the kindness, the compassion, all those things. They exist in the huge goals, the small goals and everything. They exist in everything.

Mike [00:21:36]:
Okay. So it could lead you to say.

Mike [00:21:40]:
Okay, let me reverse the shit. Let me reverse engineer.

Mike [00:21:42]:
Okay.

Mike [00:21:42]:
I want to fall in love. That's a lot of people, including myself, want close to heart.

Eldar [00:21:49]:
Close to your heart.

Mike [00:21:50]:
Yeah. You start thinking like, okay, what is it? Why do I want it?

Eldar [00:21:58]:
But you know what?

Mike [00:21:59]:
Haven't I been successful with it?

Mike [00:22:01]:
But you know what?

Eldar [00:22:01]:
It's almost like, sure. And maybe an intellectual individual who understands this. Okay, cool. These guys are onto something. Like, Tolle's theory is very good, right? He says, okay, cool, I couldn't solve this, right? Falling in love. Let's just say I don't want it to almost to be used or misused as like. Okay, cool. I got to get humble in order to get this.

Eldar [00:22:23]:
Can you trick that?

Mike [00:22:24]:
No, you can't fake it till you make it.

Eldar [00:22:26]:
You can't fake.

Mike [00:22:26]:
Can't fake yourself to become humble. You're right, you can't.

Anatoliy [00:22:30]:
No, but it doesn't even matter.

Mike [00:22:32]:
Doesn't matter.

Anatoliy [00:22:33]:
Say that, because it's going to be time for you to perform.

Mike [00:22:35]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:22:36]:
Performing is what. It's listening, it's being patient, it's being all these different things that you either are or you aren't. So the next question is, how do.

Eldar [00:22:47]:
You ensure that you actually have humility, that you actually are humble or displaying humble actions? Because, right, some people might be under the wrong impression and say, yo, I was humble, I was listening, I was being a good student or whatever, and I still didn't get what I wanted.

Mike [00:23:06]:
What's the indicators?

Eldar [00:23:07]:
Or as you say, KPIs, right?

Mike [00:23:11]:
What is the indicators?

Eldar [00:23:12]:
What are the indicators that you're on the right path of humility? That you getting it like, oh, okay, I understand what it is to be.

Mike [00:23:20]:
Humble, so then you can fast forward.

Eldar [00:23:23]:
Your progress and learning and understanding what you need to understand properly in order to get to the place that you.

Mike [00:23:30]:
Actually want to be falling in love.

Mike [00:23:32]:
Let's just say, what are the indicators?

Mike [00:23:36]:
Yeah, that's a good question.

Mike [00:23:37]:
That you're on the right path of humility. Of humility. I mean, one thing that works for me, obviously, when I'm humble enough, is I'll ask you guys.

Mike [00:23:47]:
Yeah, sure.

Eldar [00:23:48]:
Asking is one thing, right? Is one of the process.

Mike [00:23:52]:
Yeah, one of them, but living it.

Eldar [00:23:53]:
Out is a different one. Totally said, hey, sure, no problem. You could fake it.

Mike [00:23:57]:
You can ask me, are you being humble?

Eldar [00:23:59]:
Humble head, you had a little bit of a problem. Whatever. You come, I give you advice, what happens? You go and you do the opposite.

Mike [00:24:09]:
Right.

Eldar [00:24:10]:
Actions speak louder than the words you said.

Mike [00:24:12]:
Yeah, but you got to be a little bit like a cockroach. You got to be resilient if you want to crack it. I think part of it is because we are working out of a deficit, right?

Mike [00:24:22]:
So what?

Mike [00:24:25]:
Because, okay, if you come to me and be like, hey, Mike, hey, Mike, I want to learn how to fucking, I don't know, snowboard. Okay. I don't know anything about it. I just saw it. It looks good. You're not going to come to me and say, hey, Mike, I want to learn a snowboard. But, yeah, I already know a couple of things. I know how this thing goes.

Mike [00:24:43]:
I know you're supposed to do this. You're supposed to do that. A little inside information, right? You're coming in. You already have your preconceived notions, right? So you're going to approach the board like you're going to step on it like you fucking know what you're doing. But if you say, hey, actually, that looks cool, I want to learn, somebody teach me.

Mike [00:24:58]:
Right?

Mike [00:24:59]:
I have no. Anything about it. I have no idea. But I'd like to find out about this.

Eldar [00:25:03]:
Now we go. This is different to the topic that we talked about before, about being good students.

Mike [00:25:08]:
Yes.

Mike [00:25:08]:
Well, yeah, 100%.

Mike [00:25:10]:
Right. Yeah.

Eldar [00:25:11]:
Especially, like a craft that you don't know nothing about. It's easier to start off something like that. But if you know something about snowboarding, let's just say, and you know your things, you might come across with your own preconceived notion, and you're never going to get to the humble place.

Mike [00:25:25]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:25:26]:
But the thing is, in life, we already have a lot of preconceived notions. We already think we know. That's what he's told. We think we know about snowboarding. Something we think we know about the relationships. Relationships. Huge one.

Eldar [00:25:39]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:25:40]:
I constantly am asking myself about my own beliefs and understandings about relationship, things that we don't talk about, but things that come across my head, like, hey, maybe I have this impression that I know this, but I have to examine this still because I could be under the wrong impression, because we already have some things in our head, and we're like, yeah, it's funny how it works, that we're convinced that we don't need to expand. Look into that.

Eldar [00:26:11]:
That's why I think Socrates did a really good job of giving a very specific advice.

Mike [00:26:15]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:26:15]:
I know nothing.

Mike [00:26:16]:
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Mike [00:26:17]:
That's huge.

Eldar [00:26:18]:
I know that. I know nothing.

Mike [00:26:19]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:26:20]:
That's a crazy fucking stance to take.

Mike [00:26:24]:
It is, right.

Eldar [00:26:25]:
It's almost like a protection. He's protecting from your own arrogance and ignorance.

Mike [00:26:30]:
Ignorance, yeah.

Mike [00:26:32]:
It's very important I think when you're working from the deficit.

Eldar [00:26:37]:
Correct.

Mike [00:26:38]:
When you already have some ideas about.

Eldar [00:26:39]:
What you understood right. In his life. Look, I'm doing all these crazy fucking things in my mind and if I keep doing it, I'm not going to get to the learning process that he's talking about and I'm never going to achieve success.

Mike [00:26:53]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:26:54]:
So it's like by default it's almost like, you know what I know that I know nothing.

Mike [00:26:59]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:26:59]:
Which is a crazy stance to take. It's a very hard one.

Anatoliy [00:27:03]:
Yeah. If you like all of these little pathways of different things that you want, if you just compare them to building something, if you don't build it out the right way from the very beginning, you're just going to have issues later and later and those issues all kick in in different stages.

Mike [00:27:25]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:27:26]:
You might not have these kind of issues right away but you eventually will. Right. If you compare it to, for example starting a business, you working on your own, doing your own things, on your own time, with your own habits, with your own way of understanding it, right? That's one thing. No real problems happening. It's just you, with you now you bring in a second person.

Mike [00:27:53]:
Right?

Anatoliy [00:27:54]:
Now try doing all these things now you have a second person that could think differently, you're done.

Mike [00:27:59]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:28:00]:
That has different schedules, different time frames.

Mike [00:28:02]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:28:03]:
Now try to build a company of 100 people, thousand people.

Mike [00:28:07]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:28:08]:
Like the person who runs 1000 person company. You cannot experience those same problems when you have just you by yourself doing everything from start to finish.

Mike [00:28:18]:
Yeah. Right.

Anatoliy [00:28:20]:
But if you build from the right foundations from the start, I don't know, like different things, let's say like fairness or being ethical, right. Or just setting things up. Correct. Financially, whatever it is, right. You're going to probably have a higher likelihood of success later down the line to problems that don't exist now. But if you have the wrong, like a bad foundation, those problems will pop up later.

Mike [00:28:50]:
You're right.

Eldar [00:28:53]:
Yeah, I agree with that.

Mike [00:28:55]:
I agree with that.

Anatoliy [00:28:57]:
It's the same thing with being humble while trying to achieve a desire or trying to get a goal. Might not have this problem now, but somewhere down the line your arrogance is going to show, your assumptions are going.

Mike [00:29:13]:
To.

Anatoliy [00:29:16]:
Be like on full display.

Eldar [00:29:17]:
Okay, so here's my next question. For someone like you, I see how humility is now maybe highlighted. Why? Because like you said earlier, you said there's a lot of things that I've achieved. There's a lot of things that I have. There's a lot of things that I don't need.

Mike [00:29:34]:
Right.

Eldar [00:29:34]:
Therefore, I can finally focus on what's more important. What if you're at a deficit where you don't have certain things, you don't see certain things for what they are.

Mike [00:29:43]:
Right.

Eldar [00:29:44]:
How can you come across humility as being one of the virtues that you value?

Anatoliy [00:29:48]:
Well, I think in those earlier maybe stages or like portions of someone's life, a lot of it is like, I think a bit of what Mike might have been touching on before.

Mike [00:30:03]:
You kind of have to experiment a little bit. You kind of have to try things.

Anatoliy [00:30:09]:
Out, see what burns, see what know, and then you can start to make a little bit of sense of certain things.

Eldar [00:30:18]:
So would you say that humility is not the most important thing for those people?

Anatoliy [00:30:25]:
Well, it depends on how you look at it. If you're saying that somebody wants to learn, they're not going to learn anything unless they're.

Eldar [00:30:31]:
Who's out there? Who's going to say they're not willing to learn?

Anatoliy [00:30:34]:
Well, saying and doing are two different things. Nobody can say that you're willing, ready.

Eldar [00:30:39]:
And I think the association of learning is a very good one. And the stigma around it is a good one. Oh, yeah, I love to learn. You know what I mean? The truth of the matter is, no, you don't.

Mike [00:30:53]:
Right.

Eldar [00:30:54]:
Because of the fact that you're arrogant.

Mike [00:30:57]:
You'Re not humble.

Eldar [00:30:59]:
The way you come across, the conclusions that you're making, the things that you're saying.

Anatoliy [00:31:03]:
Yeah, I still think it is the most important thing, I think, for those people.

Eldar [00:31:09]:
No, I agree with you. I definitely do.

Mike [00:31:14]:
But is there something that you have to get to the point where you can be humble? You can say, like, hey, what if you're at whatever stage in your life and your development and your path, and for you right now, you're saying it is the most important thing is to be humble. But what if you're not even at the stage where you can even get to humility? Maybe you need to learn something a lot simpler, like, I don't know, basic politeness or basic kindness or, I don't know, whatever.

Eldar [00:31:48]:
Well, even the things like you have to learn through experience, there are certain conclusions that you've made in your mind through arrogance, let's just say, and you're arrogant about it. So you have to go and you live out the experiences, the conclusions that you've made. So if you made those conclusions, you have to go live them out. There's no way of you thinking about humility yet you need to fall on your face, you need to hurt yourself, you need to be in pain.

Mike [00:32:15]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:32:15]:
But you're not going to be thinking about anything then regardless.

Mike [00:32:18]:
Right?

Eldar [00:32:19]:
That's what I'm saying. I think that humility for those individuals.

Mike [00:32:22]:
But people are conscious. You don't think people, they're suffering and they're not thinking like, why am I in this situation?

Anatoliy [00:32:29]:
But then I think they have the opportunity to get challenged.

Mike [00:32:32]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:32:33]:
And when they get the opportunity to get challenged, I think at that point that's when there's a choice to make.

Mike [00:32:41]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:32:42]:
If someone's like, hey, I really hate my job and I'd love to figure.

Mike [00:32:48]:
Out a way to make good money.

Anatoliy [00:32:50]:
And enjoy what I do.

Mike [00:32:51]:
Okay. Yeah. Right.

Anatoliy [00:32:53]:
Someone makes that statement.

Mike [00:32:55]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:32:55]:
And you can run that back to them. Okay, so let me get this right. You currently don't like your situation and you would like to learn how to be in a better situation.

Mike [00:33:04]:
Did I get that right? Let's say they say yes. Right.

Anatoliy [00:33:10]:
Now you could start challenging and asking certain questions to see whether they really mean that or not.

Eldar [00:33:16]:
Sure. You're introducing a very specific variable into the mix. A challenger.

Mike [00:33:27]:
Yeah, that's true.

Mike [00:33:29]:
That's big.

Eldar [00:33:31]:
Which I agree with you. I agree with the challenger and I agree that the challenger should be introduced.

Anatoliy [00:33:36]:
Yeah, but the thing is that if someone already learned something all the wrong kinds of ways.

Mike [00:33:41]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:33:42]:
And they're just kind of venturing life by themselves, I think probably without a challenger, I don't know if they could fall hard enough on their face.

Mike [00:33:56]:
To.

Anatoliy [00:33:56]:
Admit self they're wrong.

Eldar [00:34:01]:
Yeah, got it.

Anatoliy [00:34:02]:
Because those people are just going to continue twisting things, evolve and continue. Yeah. They're going to put on a different outfit but come to the same door.

Eldar [00:34:16]:
This is a conundrum. Yeah, I think you are explaining human condition.

Anatoliy [00:34:20]:
Yeah. And I think this is why. I think that, I don't know if this stuff is in religious books or stuff like that, but I know that generally they say that humans are social beings.

Mike [00:34:33]:
Okay. Right.

Anatoliy [00:34:34]:
I don't think they're meant to be in seclusion because if they are, I don't think they're going to get very far or they're going to thrive. They're not going to thrive.

Mike [00:34:44]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:34:45]:
They might survive.

Mike [00:34:47]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:34:49]:
Which is a challenge in itself. But if they want to thrive, I think they need to have a social component in it because those social components will give them the opportunities to get humble.

Eldar [00:35:01]:
There you go. There you go. I think this is a very important point to get humbled. To get humble, it has to be in the face of someone else. You see what he's saying?

Mike [00:35:13]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:35:13]:
And I think that it's a social component.

Mike [00:35:15]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:35:16]:
That humbling process is not like an internal by yourself. Like, okay, I'll just do this on my own kind of thing. It's almost somebody else witnessing you getting humbled. It's almost like a shameful process where it's like, oh, shit, this burns.

Anatoliy [00:35:31]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:35:34]:
You see that component right there? The social thing is an extremely important one.

Mike [00:35:40]:
Yeah, I guess.

Anatoliy [00:35:41]:
Humble.

Mike [00:35:42]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:35:43]:
I would say that probably the people in your life that you dislike the most probably have the most to offer you from a learning perspective.

Eldar [00:35:52]:
Oh, wow, that's another one. Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:35:54]:
Because the people that do challenge you or do humble you, you're most likely in those. I mean, it could be like, overall take. You could say, like, hey, I don't like that guy.

Mike [00:36:04]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:36:04]:
You might have that kind of stance, or it might be like, you do.

Mike [00:36:06]:
Like this guy, but at times you.

Anatoliy [00:36:09]:
Don'T like this guy because of particular moments that happen. Because in those moments, you don't understand that you're not being humble. You're being extremely ignorant and arrogant, and you have another individual that's just hitting you over the head with what you're doing and you don't like it.

Mike [00:36:28]:
I think you asked a question earlier and I said, I asked you guys to help me.

Mike [00:36:36]:
Right.

Mike [00:36:37]:
The question was, how do you. How do you learn to become humble?

Mike [00:36:41]:
Was it?

Eldar [00:36:42]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:36:45]:
I was just thinking, is there anything that we actually. Not always, but maybe initially, is there anything that we can learn without the guidance of somebody else or help? Did you learn stuff from where did you learn something without the need of another human?

Eldar [00:37:01]:
From the external.

Mike [00:37:02]:
External. Exactly.

Eldar [00:37:03]:
It could be a human. It could be a book.

Mike [00:37:05]:
Book, video.

Eldar [00:37:06]:
A video. It could be whatever.

Mike [00:37:07]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:37:07]:
So that's what I'm saying. I think it's maybe initially impossible to learn anything on your own, right. But as you become good, you have a good base of knowledge. You're able to use something that's a reason. And then through reason, you can create new ideas, not maybe original, but new ideas through logic and reason. So, like Socrates, he didn't just come up with that phrase or any of the philosophers that came with their phrases. Some of them they might have, because of the stuff that they learned. Then they applied certain logics towards it.

Mike [00:37:46]:
They were able to deduce, like, hey, this is a reasonable conclusion. So, not that they learned it, but I guess in a way, they discovered it.

Eldar [00:37:52]:
For themselves.

Mike [00:37:53]:
For themselves, right. That's like maybe where you still needed the help of somebody else to get that knowledge, but you yourself is the one who churned it and then gave this reason logic thing output.

Mike [00:38:08]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:38:08]:
So then you're saying that in order to unlock something greater, you almost need to go through the process of humility, through learning from something, from the external.

Mike [00:38:17]:
Something else, where you get humbled by. I just don't know how you can't learn without anything, without another thing acting upon you. Unless we're talking about survival instincts. Like if you don't know how to swim and then you fucking flob in your hand and you're trying to survive, that's different. I think we have the certain things that are built in within us. Like survival mechanisms, right?

Mike [00:38:37]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:38:38]:
Fight or flight.

Mike [00:38:39]:
Yeah, fight or flight. Those are built in like pre programmed. That shit is in BIos.

Eldar [00:38:44]:
Yeah. You cannot flash it.

Mike [00:38:46]:
You cannot flash it.

Mike [00:38:47]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:38:48]:
But these things, I think it's necessary to do with somebody else. That's very good.

Eldar [00:38:56]:
Yeah, it's very good.

Mike [00:38:57]:
But on the other hand. But on the other hand, there's a thing that everything is. All the answers are within us too. Right. We just need to access it.

Eldar [00:39:06]:
Well, I think that that's the second part that you.

Mike [00:39:08]:
That's the second part that I'm talking about.

Mike [00:39:09]:
Yeah. Yes.

Anatoliy [00:39:11]:
The external can help guide your internal.

Mike [00:39:14]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:39:15]:
Right, but I think that external becomes.

Mike [00:39:17]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:39:17]:
I think the best teachers and the best guiders of things, I think, always point to you being able to do something on a recurring basis, recreate it.

Mike [00:39:30]:
If you have a teacher who's pointing.

Anatoliy [00:39:33]:
To external things and having you almost like even in religious texts or stuff like that. Right. They'll say, not allowed to bow down to idols or stuff like that. Or different things like that. I think anyone that is teaching you something on any subject that is pointing to internals, you should probably gravitate closer to that person versus the person. That's like trying to have you rely on externals.

Eldar [00:40:02]:
Externals, yes.

Anatoliy [00:40:04]:
Or some kind of magic towards externals and tripping your power where you're dependent on somebody else or some other thing, that's usually like a bad sign. Yeah, but I think even the externals, even the different stuff out there, like, I don't know, nature or readings or different texts or whatever.

Mike [00:40:27]:
Right. I think they all still.

Anatoliy [00:40:33]:
It's almost like a human, like a connection thing.

Eldar [00:40:36]:
And they all contribute to your humility.

Anatoliy [00:40:38]:
The external nature, it points to your internal and it kind of almost teaches you how you connect with this external. But the only way that you understand it is if you can, I think, make that kind of connection about how a piece of this is actually inside of you and inside of you is this.

Mike [00:40:59]:
So what are we saying? Are we saying anything or is this.

Eldar [00:41:04]:
Just a philosophy bubble?

Mike [00:41:05]:
We're just not doing anything, we're just sitting and talking?

Eldar [00:41:08]:
Yes. Yeah. I mean, this is big.

Mike [00:41:13]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:41:13]:
I totally said it was going to be big.

Mike [00:41:14]:
Yeah, it's big.

Mike [00:41:15]:
It was very big, I think.

Mike [00:41:17]:
But I think it also.

Mike [00:41:19]:
Sorry, but if you go and you.

Eldar [00:41:24]:
Raise the child a proper way, I think the skipping process of needing all the external can be prevented.

Mike [00:41:33]:
Right.

Eldar [00:41:33]:
If you preserve the innocence and the body of knowledge that's already innate in the soul, however, society mucks it, parents muck it. Everything.

Mike [00:41:46]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:41:47]:
Does a flower get the instructions from their parents how to be a flower? What does this specific flower do? The life cycle.

Mike [00:41:57]:
Right.

Mike [00:41:58]:
The things like that.

Mike [00:41:59]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:42:00]:
Our job as parents is almost to.

Mike [00:42:03]:
Not to fucking interfere.

Eldar [00:42:06]:
Not to interfere.

Mike [00:42:07]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:42:07]:
That's why I was asking the question earlier about if it was a clean slate child, would he have to go through this humility thing.

Mike [00:42:15]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:42:16]:
Now that you say that, I'd like for Joe hopefully listens to this podcast because he is a new.

Mike [00:42:23]:
Congrats, Joe. You know, and don't mush it. Yeah, bro.

Eldar [00:42:26]:
Don't mush it.

Mike [00:42:27]:
Don't mush. Were I sure you recall? But a lot of Anastasia talks, she mentions like, yo, don't try to fucking raise your kids. Teach your kids. They're infinitely smarter than.

Mike [00:42:39]:
Yeah, yeah.

Eldar [00:42:40]:
They're infinitely smarter than us. This is true because they're not yet.

Mike [00:42:44]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:42:44]:
They have all the answers within and.

Mike [00:42:47]:
Just like we do, but it's hard.

Mike [00:42:49]:
To access them because we have a lot of things that we built upon it, our own attachments, beliefs, desires, whatever.

Eldar [00:42:56]:
And you know why we can also get those whiffs of why this is true is because kids at a certain.

Mike [00:43:03]:
Age ask a lot of questions. That's humility.

Mike [00:43:07]:
That's true.

Mike [00:43:08]:
They do ask a lot of questions.

Eldar [00:43:09]:
That's humility.

Mike [00:43:10]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:43:11]:
When you ask questions genuinely because kids ask genuine questions, they really want to know, like, dad, tell me. Dad, tell me. You know what I'm saying? That's genuine curiosity.

Mike [00:43:23]:
That's true.

Anatoliy [00:43:25]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:43:26]:
As adults.

Mike [00:43:27]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:43:28]:
One of the core things of humility is definitely curiosity and asking a lot of questions.

Mike [00:43:35]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:43:35]:
It's not a g code.

Mike [00:43:37]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:43:37]:
I feel like you need to get put in a position.

Eldar [00:43:40]:
You need to get put into place. Into place. Yes.

Mike [00:43:42]:
Into a pretzel.

Anatoliy [00:43:43]:
Yeah, but you need to get put into a position where you can consciously make a choice. And I think that's a really hard part, a really hard point to get.

Mike [00:43:55]:
It to get to. Right.

Eldar [00:43:57]:
I agree.

Anatoliy [00:43:57]:
And for me, for example, on different things, I'll go in whatever directions, whatever loops, like, whatever different things I need to go to. But on different things, I feel like once you exhaust many options and you kind of feel like you have all the right tools, you almost only have one direction that you can go.

Eldar [00:44:24]:
You're just saying we're very good at what we do.

Anatoliy [00:44:27]:
But the thing is that if you're humble, you may not need to go on this giant loop and you may not need to go exhaust all of these options.

Mike [00:44:35]:
That's right.

Anatoliy [00:44:35]:
And I think that it's difficult to put people in. So if you're like a challenger, for example, you're trying to help somebody, I think it's very difficult to do. But I think a great skill for you to have as an individual to help somebody else is try to get somebody in maybe a conscious state to give them the opportunity to make some kind of choice.

Mike [00:44:58]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:44:59]:
At least a choice to pay attention properly or to actually listen, to actually pay attention to actually what is being.

Eldar [00:45:10]:
Said and what's listened.

Mike [00:45:11]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:45:12]:
Try to get someone to that kind of position and then try to.

Eldar [00:45:16]:
How do you intrigue somebody for that?

Anatoliy [00:45:18]:
Yeah. Try to help them and it may not work the first time around. They may be listening, they may stuff like that, but over time they may not have the right urgency or the right persistence to find out of what's going on. But I guarantee you, you will plant.

Mike [00:45:39]:
Some kind of seed. Right.

Anatoliy [00:45:40]:
And when that person goes in those loops and ventures off, there's going to be a moment where they've exhausted everything except for one thing, and I think at that point they're going to have to listen.

Mike [00:45:54]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:45:56]:
After they exhausted everything.

Mike [00:45:58]:
Yeah, but I do think you can.

Anatoliy [00:46:01]:
Give people the opportunity of like, okay, let's give you an opportunity to not go exhaust everything and see if you're worthy enough to listen. Yeah, but not even a shortcut. It's not a shortcut. It's a much harder way. The easier way is to go venture off.

Mike [00:46:23]:
There's a lot less pain there.

Anatoliy [00:46:25]:
It's a very slow burn.

Mike [00:46:26]:
Fine. Right. Yeah.

Eldar [00:46:28]:
On your own time.

Mike [00:46:29]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:46:29]:
On your own time. Whatever happens, happens.

Mike [00:46:32]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:46:32]:
Let them go venture off.

Eldar [00:46:33]:
Okay.

Anatoliy [00:46:34]:
This is not a shortcut. It might be a more direct path, a punch, but it's a way more painful path.

Mike [00:46:43]:
Okay.

Anatoliy [00:46:44]:
Yeah, I agree. Which is why people always prove that they don't take it. They don't take. You have data out the ass on that.

Eldar [00:46:53]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:46:55]:
People will say, no, I'm not listening to you.

Eldar [00:46:58]:
I don't want.

Anatoliy [00:46:58]:
I'm going to go do my own thing.

Eldar [00:46:59]:
Yes, please leave me alone.

Anatoliy [00:47:01]:
And then on all different types of topics, no problem.

Mike [00:47:04]:
Go do it right.

Anatoliy [00:47:05]:
And you'll keep doing it up until a point where the only thing left to look is within you.

Mike [00:47:11]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:47:12]:
And then you're going to be forced to go down this regardless.

Mike [00:47:15]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:47:15]:
So I'm going to have to say it again. Get humbled or get booked, whatever you want. You're going to come back here. You're going to come back to this place.

Eldar [00:47:24]:
Yeah, you're right.

Anatoliy [00:47:25]:
It does not matter.

Eldar [00:47:26]:
You created a closed loop.

Anatoliy [00:47:28]:
Yeah. You're going to come back here, or as Eddie said, you're going to die trying.

Eldar [00:47:35]:
Yeah. You explained a human condition who is not experiencing this human condition, who is not.

Anatoliy [00:47:43]:
Everybody isn't. Again, that's why I said from the start, it does not matter what it is. It does not need to be. You saying, oh, I want to be like a philanthropist. You don't need to have these kind of desires. You could just have the desire of being rich.

Mike [00:47:58]:
Right? Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:47:59]:
How many people have this desire? How many people have this idea of what this life is like? How many people actually do it?

Mike [00:48:10]:
Why?

Anatoliy [00:48:12]:
Is it because there's something that the ultra rich are hiding from?

Eldar [00:48:16]:
There are billions. There's education and there's only a handful of billionaires out there.

Anatoliy [00:48:20]:
Is there not the right information out there?

Mike [00:48:23]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:48:24]:
Is there some kind of magical sauce where these people are pre chosen? Is that what you're going to believe?

Eldar [00:48:29]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:48:32]:
You just weren't selected. You weren't selected.

Mike [00:48:36]:
I like that.

Anatoliy [00:48:37]:
Yeah. Where do you want to go with that? All the information is out there. All the opportunities are out there.

Mike [00:48:43]:
Right?

Anatoliy [00:48:44]:
I don't know. Maybe if you're, like, in an extremely oppressed country, like get out or try to.

Mike [00:48:51]:
Right? Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:48:52]:
But if you're not, for example, like America, you live in a country where government is willing to loan you hundreds of thousands of dollars at the age.

Mike [00:49:03]:
Of 18 for you to go get.

Anatoliy [00:49:06]:
An education, for you to go learn.

Mike [00:49:08]:
A craft, for you to get access.

Anatoliy [00:49:10]:
To all kinds of books and information.

Eldar [00:49:13]:
Unlimited.

Mike [00:49:14]:
Unlimited, right.

Anatoliy [00:49:15]:
They're willing to do the stupid thing.

Mike [00:49:17]:
Of giving all of this to an.

Mike [00:49:20]:
18 year old saying, we got to start a university.

Eldar [00:49:24]:
Mike, are you saying something?

Mike [00:49:25]:
Mike?

Anatoliy [00:49:26]:
He hasn't said a word.

Eldar [00:49:27]:
He hasn't said anything.

Mike [00:49:28]:
Yeah, say something. I just did.

Eldar [00:49:34]:
Yeah, I mean, what do you the fuck you think this is, Mike?

Mike [00:49:37]:
No, I know this is a university. No, it is, but I'm saying, what.

Eldar [00:49:41]:
Do you just say? It's over for everyone. It's a closed loop. It's a very specific people that get in.

Mike [00:49:49]:
It is.

Mike [00:49:51]:
It's not easy to get into this. What he's talking about this club. Into this club. This club that he's talking about.

Mike [00:49:56]:
Yes. Yeah.

Mike [00:49:58]:
I was thinking about it the other day. I'm like brothers. I can't even understand or how many people are ready or willing to do this work, who's going to volunteer for this, something they have no idea about and not know how scary. Potentially scary. I look at it as great, but it's scary.

Eldar [00:50:18]:
You got to look at it as before.

Mike [00:50:19]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:50:19]:
Look at it almost like if you don't want to do it, you're going to go do what you're going to do. And then when there's going to be another time where you're going to be offered to come join or try it, you're just going to have more evidence as to why you should do it. And if that's what you need, that's where you go venture off.

Mike [00:50:38]:
And you didn't say that just because Dennis is editing the podcast, right?

Anatoliy [00:50:41]:
No.

Mike [00:50:42]:
Okay.

Eldar [00:50:43]:
This is very interesting because he's almost saying that now that a lot of people are living predetermined lives.

Mike [00:50:48]:
Yeah, I didn't want to say, what.

Eldar [00:50:51]:
Is that thing called determinism.

Anatoliy [00:50:54]:
That, but also, what's that one curve where everything is already. Destiny.

Mike [00:50:59]:
No, I didn't want to say destiny. I think like. But what's the word?

Mike [00:51:03]:
Predetermined?

Mike [00:51:04]:
Yeah, predetermined. But I'm thinking about something else.

Eldar [00:51:06]:
You're not thinking about anything else.

Mike [00:51:07]:
Fine, I'm not thinking about anything else.

Eldar [00:51:13]:
It's destiny. What he's saying is like, look, you.

Mike [00:51:17]:
Know what I mean?

Eldar [00:51:17]:
The truth of the matter is this. You're ignorant ass. This point, ignorant behavior. You're going to live very ignorant life, very specific life.

Anatoliy [00:51:26]:
Yeah. What's the probability of you getting birthed, just in general into the world? They have a number, I think, for this.

Mike [00:51:33]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:51:33]:
Like the probability that you were the one.

Mike [00:51:36]:
Very low in life.

Mike [00:51:37]:
Yeah. Right. Okay.

Anatoliy [00:51:38]:
Very low.

Mike [00:51:39]:
I think it's very low.

Anatoliy [00:51:40]:
I think decimal point low we're talking.

Eldar [00:51:41]:
Right?

Anatoliy [00:51:42]:
Like multiple ones.

Mike [00:51:43]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:51:43]:
Okay, now let me ask you this. What's the probability of you being birthed to ignorant parents.

Eldar [00:51:51]:
Oh, shit.

Mike [00:51:52]:
Very high.

Eldar [00:51:53]:
Much higher.

Anatoliy [00:51:54]:
Okay, now what's the probability of you being birthed? I don't know, into parents who, I don't know, have money. Low birth in a non oppressed, crazy place compared to how many oppressed ones there are.

Mike [00:52:15]:
Low. Right.

Anatoliy [00:52:17]:
Low. Now keep multiplying all these things of all these divot for nots, right. The ods of you getting birth into wealthy philosophy, parents in a good region, in a low crime area. Right. In a time in life where education is at your fingertips and information is at your fingertips. Keep adding all that up, you're going to get to a number that the human eye can't even understand or see.

Mike [00:52:50]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:52:50]:
So you can probably a safe bet that you are not going to get birthed into, I don't know, an anastasia forest.

Mike [00:53:00]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:53:00]:
With like.

Eldar [00:53:01]:
So Jesus coming back into a low percentage.

Mike [00:53:03]:
I mean, I don't know. About. Yeah, yeah. Holy shit. Yeah, you're right.

Eldar [00:53:12]:
So most likely you're a fucking idiot if you're listening to this. Sorry, bro.

Anatoliy [00:53:15]:
Yeah, there's definitely. Keep listening.

Mike [00:53:18]:
Yeah. Damn.

Eldar [00:53:19]:
You threw them under the bus. Whoever you had to throw under the bus, they went under a bus.

Mike [00:53:23]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:53:24]:
No, fucked up. Is not targeted towards anybody.

Eldar [00:53:27]:
You know what I'm talking about?

Anatoliy [00:53:28]:
This is just all people in life. Yeah, we're all born all different kinds.

Eldar [00:53:33]:
Through everybody under a bus.

Anatoliy [00:53:35]:
All of us, though, we were all born to. Under the bus.

Mike [00:53:38]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:53:38]:
We were all run over.

Mike [00:53:39]:
But I wonder, one thing I'm wondering is, do you think it's just because we're still early in the evolution process that as generations progress, this will become more popular, this way of understanding?

Eldar [00:53:55]:
I think this is inevitable to be passed down. Right. As long as we're alive, as long as our faculties are still working properly, we're able to pass this on.

Mike [00:54:04]:
Right.

Eldar [00:54:04]:
I think this is a bug that's unbuggable.

Anatoliy [00:54:07]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:54:09]:
Around five k ago.

Eldar [00:54:11]:
Exactly.

Mike [00:54:11]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:54:12]:
And we're still stuck on it. He's here now.

Mike [00:54:15]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:54:16]:
I'm also not sure if. Sorry, but I believe. I think that evolution is not linear. Where there was zero and we're headed towards a final amount, it goes up and down in the sense that civilization was in what we call now very primitive times.

Mike [00:54:39]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:54:40]:
But maybe some of those primitive civilizations would look at what we're doing to the world and how things are going now and they would call us and how we're handling things primitive. So we're looking at them as primitive, but maybe back then they shared more or they were potentially nicer to each other or maybe better.

Mike [00:54:56]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:54:57]:
Closer to nature. Right. They got things like, I don't know, more fresh air or they did more things, or they were maybe more self sufficient rather than being reliant on things.

Mike [00:55:07]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:55:08]:
All different kinds of things. So I think right now we have everything at our disposal, but we could be, like the biggest jackasses ever to each other right now. Where maybe before that didn't exist or vice versa. Yeah, no, I think that right now, maybe we're at a point where we have crazy technology, crazy tools, but we behave in very primitive ways in how we go about those different things. So I think when it comes to us as people in society, or just like in general, like human evolution, I do think it goes forward and then it goes backwards. Or maybe, for example, now we could supply more food to more people at a way faster rate than at any point ever in history, right?

Mike [00:55:54]:
Probably, right, probably.

Anatoliy [00:55:55]:
But maybe the quality of the meats and the vegetables and different things.

Eldar [00:55:58]:
Well, the amount of food we should be eating was too.

Anatoliy [00:56:01]:
Was different back then. Maybe back then people didn't have as much food, but it was always straight from the ground organic.

Mike [00:56:07]:
Right.

Eldar [00:56:08]:
And what do you need as much as of it.

Anatoliy [00:56:09]:
Yeah, exactly. So maybe right now we're able to produce more crazy amounts of food to crazy amounts of people, but it might not be as good quality and stuff like that. And that's also why, if you look at the last, let's just say we could probably recall the last, let's say about 15 years, there's this huge continuous trend over. Like, first it was like we were trending towards fast food, right, when McDonald's came out and people are like, holy shit, get a burger for Matt cheap so quick.

Mike [00:56:43]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:56:44]:
You get food in, I don't know, under a minute.

Eldar [00:56:47]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:56:48]:
Seconds.

Mike [00:56:48]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:56:48]:
And that kept evolving.

Mike [00:56:50]:
Right? Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:56:50]:
And now what do people want? They want extremely food still to be fast. Now they want it to also be healthy.

Mike [00:56:58]:
Healthy, right.

Anatoliy [00:56:59]:
And then you see these different now healthy fast foods, if you want to call it. Now, why did that happen? There was a demand for that, right?

Mike [00:57:07]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:57:08]:
Like the last 15 years, everything's about organic, right? That is like the number one buzword in food, right? Is like organic. People want to keep going towards that.

Mike [00:57:20]:
Why?

Anatoliy [00:57:21]:
Because now they want what people had back in the day, maybe like hundreds.

Mike [00:57:25]:
Of years ago, right?

Anatoliy [00:57:27]:
But now they want that. Now they want good quality ingredients. People want good quality stuff.

Mike [00:57:32]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:57:33]:
And then now that has to involve in today's times of speed. And now they're trying, I think, to combine that with being like, what are the most expensive things?

Mike [00:57:40]:
Think about it.

Anatoliy [00:57:42]:
An apple with chemicals. An apple without chemicals.

Mike [00:57:45]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:57:46]:
You're telling me that apple without chemicals is more expensive?

Mike [00:57:50]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:57:52]:
A natural apple is more expensive than all the additives that they add to a non natural apple because they concentrated.

Eldar [00:57:59]:
On the additives and finding how to make those additives cheaper in order to protect all the crops.

Anatoliy [00:58:04]:
So think about that. People now want what people had before.

Mike [00:58:08]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:58:09]:
But I think the population grew faster than the humans were able to, able to adapt and evolve and sustain, keep the thing. Like, all of a sudden you have 100 million more people on the earth in a span of 15 whatever years. I don't know the number. But you have to feed these people, you have to clothe these people, you have to fucking school these people. You have so much to do for these people.

Mike [00:58:27]:
You got to do it.

Mike [00:58:28]:
And you don't have the time to fucking. You have to. How many farmers need to fucking work to feed 100 million people can't do that. You got to fucking do shit in the lab. You got to do fast food.

Eldar [00:58:37]:
So part of you can't concentrate on the beetle eating your potatoes.

Mike [00:58:41]:
No.

Eldar [00:58:41]:
You got to put the chemical in there so the beetle eats it and dies.

Mike [00:58:45]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:58:46]:
So I think that's another thing too. The population grows very fast, but the society is not able to keep up with providing the same level of quality.

Mike [00:58:56]:
Right.

Mike [00:58:56]:
The way that people used to do things with the food, maybe with the housing used to be built much better, much sturdier, better materials. Now I think they use lower quality shit. Why you don't have time for the fucking good quality stuff? Mostly because.

Anatoliy [00:59:10]:
Yeah, all kinds of things. I remember when Elder was building his stuff, he started talking about concepts a long time ago about insulation. I think that a lot of people will be like, yo, that's a wall. That's a wall. Talking about, what is the difference here?

Mike [00:59:25]:
Right?

Anatoliy [00:59:25]:
I think people can say, like, okay, there's a hole in the wall that's going to bring in cold air. That's pretty black and white, right? But you might look at a wall and someone be like, elder, this room is closed off. What are you talking about? That another closed off room could regulate temperature in a different way. Like, people are going to look at you like you're an idiot.

Mike [00:59:45]:
Right?

Anatoliy [00:59:46]:
Like learning about insulation, right? The same thing, same walls and surface, but what's inside of them, what materials are used, how they were built, can regulate things. Completely different.

Eldar [00:59:56]:
Completely different. And the space that I built upstairs properly is serving us now.

Mike [01:00:05]:
Even summertime. Right.

Eldar [01:00:07]:
I know. Toli's house or my parents'house.

Mike [01:00:09]:
It's crazy hot.

Eldar [01:00:11]:
Crazy hot. Ours is warm, but it's not crazy hot like I remember my parents house. Why?

Mike [01:00:17]:
Installation.

Mike [01:00:20]:
Costs more.

Eldar [01:00:21]:
Takes more time.

Mike [01:00:22]:
But it's worth it over time. Yeah.

Mike [01:00:26]:
You have to undo the stuff that was done because they didn't have the time to give you the fucking quality. It wasn't also cost effect. They want to make shit cheap and fast, but not quality.

Mike [01:00:37]:
Can't have it all.

Eldar [01:00:39]:
People don't put time on their side.

Mike [01:00:41]:
Now when the population is growing too fast and you can't give attention.

Eldar [01:00:45]:
Supply, demand.

Mike [01:00:45]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:00:46]:
You can't give people attention or be attentive to what you're doing. Got to pop them out.

Mike [01:00:50]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:00:50]:
It's also when you're building something for somebody versus something for yourself. When you're building something.

Mike [01:00:55]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:00:57]:
But even for yourself, some people will go, you know what?

Mike [01:01:00]:
I want the best paint or I.

Eldar [01:01:03]:
Want the best painting on the wall. A lot of people don't even have the education to say insulation is important.

Mike [01:01:10]:
Right.

Eldar [01:01:10]:
Nobody gives a fuck.

Mike [01:01:12]:
You know what I mean?

Eldar [01:01:13]:
So that's education based.

Mike [01:01:14]:
I think.

Eldar [01:01:16]:
So what are you guys saying?

Mike [01:01:17]:
You guys say anything or no? Fuck you guys.

Eldar [01:01:19]:
Fuck the whole society up, man.

Mike [01:01:21]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:01:22]:
Natural selection.

Mike [01:01:25]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:01:26]:
What is the survival of the fetus like type of shit?

Mike [01:01:29]:
Type of, yeah.

Eldar [01:01:31]:
Those that are ignorant will die off, and those.

Mike [01:01:34]:
The ones that will live on.

Eldar [01:01:37]:
I mean, and those are the ones that really get it. Like socrates.

Mike [01:01:39]:
Right.

Eldar [01:01:40]:
The souls continue to live on.

Mike [01:01:41]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:01:42]:
And the survival of fittest is not.

Mike [01:01:43]:
Like, I think, how it was viewed.

Anatoliy [01:01:45]:
Upon before, where it was like a physical thing. I think it was very much a.

Mike [01:01:53]:
Mental thing for you. For anybody. Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:01:59]:
For anybody out there. I don't think that in society currently where you are, you don't need to. Your survival, I don't think, is dependent on you being the strongest.

Eldar [01:02:15]:
Some jobs still require that.

Anatoliy [01:02:17]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:02:17]:
Some. Yeah.

Eldar [01:02:20]:
UFC requires that.

Mike [01:02:21]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:02:22]:
But I'm saying in nature, sure, there are certain animals that fight each other, but there might be a smaller, like, a smarter animal that knows how to camouflage or hide or go particular paths.

Mike [01:02:34]:
Right.

Anatoliy [01:02:35]:
Or come out at particular times, like daytime or nighttime.

Mike [01:02:38]:
Right. Yeah. That.

Anatoliy [01:02:40]:
It's also part of survival.

Eldar [01:02:42]:
Yes, it's true.

Anatoliy [01:02:43]:
And they may not have the physical attributes, but they may be very smart.

Mike [01:02:46]:
Innate stuff. Yeah. So, humility, what do we have?

Eldar [01:02:53]:
What are our final thoughts about humility before we tackle your shit, Mike? Super important.

Mike [01:03:04]:
Yeah. Is the path to a good life through education, through humility?

Eldar [01:03:15]:
Yeah, I think so. If leveling up our soul, our mind, is through education and knowledge, humility is the prerequisite problem.

Mike [01:03:27]:
Yeah, prerequisite.

Eldar [01:03:29]:
Right. To then have the ability to open.

Mike [01:03:32]:
Ourselves to knowledge, to be able to let that in.

Mike [01:03:39]:
Also, another thing about this, me and Toby, I don't know if this is where it came from, but we were sitting in Dano's class listening to him. And afterwards, during this little power session, we started talking about the ego. So another way that I guess they.

Mike [01:03:57]:
Can help you.

Mike [01:04:00]:
To see that you're.

Mike [01:04:03]:
Being.

Mike [01:04:06]:
I guess, egotistical. Ego is a good teacher.

Mike [01:04:09]:
Right.

Mike [01:04:10]:
Because when it flares up, you definitely feel it, but it's showing you that you have a lack of education in that subject.

Anatoliy [01:04:17]:
Well, ego is. I think it's like the ying yang of humble.

Mike [01:04:23]:
Right.

Anatoliy [01:04:25]:
The opposite of humble.

Mike [01:04:26]:
Humble is ego.

Mike [01:04:27]:
Sure.

Mike [01:04:27]:
Ego is the opposite of humility.

Mike [01:04:30]:
Yes. Right.

Mike [01:04:31]:
So I think when your ego flares up, that is a good indicator to you to say, hey, I might be.

Eldar [01:04:36]:
Not educated in this if you're taking it that way.

Mike [01:04:38]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:04:38]:
Well, that's what we're talking about.

Anatoliy [01:04:40]:
Because just an identifier of when you're being. Ego is extremely like. Is when your ego flaring up is extremely hard.

Mike [01:04:48]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:04:49]:
You underestimate that. When your ego is flaring up, it is blinding.

Mike [01:04:54]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:04:55]:
You can't hear.

Mike [01:04:58]:
But again, this is a process where you need another person or somewhere else to give you information to help you to be challenged.

Mike [01:05:08]:
Probably this is the way Mr. G designed it.

Mike [01:05:16]:
Because we are social.

Mike [01:05:17]:
We are together. Yeah.

Mike [01:05:21]:
Man and woman come together.

Mike [01:05:22]:
Right. Man and everybody.

Mike [01:05:25]:
We need somebody to bounce off of.

Mike [01:05:27]:
Yeah. So I think by natural design, that's how it is.

Mike [01:05:34]:
Hopefully you have good enough friends that.

Mike [01:05:35]:
Are going to call you out when.

Mike [01:05:38]:
You'Re out of control.

Mike [01:05:40]:
You can have friends. Yeah.

Eldar [01:05:41]:
You have to have good friends.

Mike [01:05:43]:
Good friends.

Mike [01:05:44]:
Right.

Eldar [01:05:45]:
They have to have courage.

Mike [01:05:46]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:05:47]:
You can have people around you who might not have courage and you might call them friends when you go out of hand, they might be better to tell you like, yo, my man, that was wild, right? What kind of friends is a sheltering tree? Right?

Mike [01:06:05]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:06:06]:
If you have any.

Mike [01:06:07]:
Yeah, don't give me that fucking tea fucking quotes. You like those, though?

Eldar [01:06:13]:
I do, but they are not finished.

Mike [01:06:15]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:06:16]:
Friendship is a sheltering tree. If you have any.

Mike [01:06:21]:
If you had a good education, you'd be able to do that reasoning and logically. Because, again, words are words, but you have to know how to properly interpret them.

Eldar [01:06:33]:
You have to understand the definitions behind the words. Yeah, definitions are very important. What the fuck is a friendship?

Mike [01:06:42]:
Yeah, that's all I got for that. Those are my thoughts.

Mike [01:06:46]:
We got to do it together.

Eldar [01:06:50]:
Well, the social aspects are huge.

Mike [01:06:52]:
Huge.

Eldar [01:06:52]:
Totally mentioned. I agree with that.

Mike [01:06:54]:
Yeah, huge.

Eldar [01:06:55]:
Because doing it on your own, recognizing that, holy shit, it's a long journey, but if you have people around you that have the ability to. That you can employ them, especially if.

Mike [01:07:04]:
You can do it consciously, you are fucking hundred steps ahead.

Eldar [01:07:11]:
Like you were even saying to me today. And during the walk you said, hey, what are some things that you think that I'm not seeing?

Mike [01:07:18]:
You know what I'm saying?

Eldar [01:07:20]:
And maybe I didn't mention in that time anything new to you, but nonetheless I could have. Because you gave me the opportunity to speak truthfully, right?

Mike [01:07:33]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:07:33]:
If you didn't give me the opportunity to speak truthfully, I might have withheld it because I didn't want to hurt your feelings or whatever the fuck it is.

Mike [01:07:40]:
Right.

Eldar [01:07:41]:
But because you said, hey, give it to me, I gave it to you. And they were pretty much along the lines of everything what we've been talking about, but nonetheless, that's how that relationship.

Mike [01:07:52]:
Goes and that's what's important. Yeah.

Eldar [01:07:58]:
If you have those types of relationships or have those types of abilities to be able to spark those types of relationships or those types of conversations, if you don't, yeah. You're going to go on a very long journey, like he said, of proving out misconceptions. And I think we do this all the time.

Mike [01:08:16]:
Of course, you can't lift all the rocks at once.

Eldar [01:08:20]:
No, it's very hard.

Mike [01:08:21]:
It's very hard, for sure.

Eldar [01:08:24]:
But if you keep banging your head.

Mike [01:08:25]:
Over the same wall over and over and over again like you said, you.

Eldar [01:08:30]:
Ought to look somewhere else.

Mike [01:08:31]:
Yeah. Hopefully. And if you don't.

Eldar [01:08:36]:
If you meant to drown like toy said, you're going to drown. Tolly, any final thoughts on this very big topic? Very good one.

Mike [01:08:45]:
Holy shit.

Eldar [01:08:46]:
You said a lot of shit. You buried a lot of people, to be honest. Yeah, you buried them. It's almost like what he said was like, you know what?

Mike [01:08:54]:
It's a sentence.

Eldar [01:08:55]:
It's a sentence. And it could be a lifelong sentence.

Mike [01:08:59]:
But it's not to hurt or punish, but it's to show that how difficult.

Mike [01:09:03]:
It is to break through, to become a real human, out of control difficult. It's no joke.

Mike [01:09:09]:
No fucking joke.

Eldar [01:09:10]:
But super necessary for liberation, for be able to control your own reality, to be able to get happiness, real, true happiness, for yourself and really enjoy your life.

Mike [01:09:24]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:09:24]:
I would say this.

Anatoliy [01:09:26]:
My probably final thoughts, I don't know, to the audience or whoever, right. Is like, whatever you. I would say the easiest. Okay, so the easiest way to get humble, right? What?

Mike [01:09:41]:
No, go ahead.

Anatoliy [01:09:41]:
No, I think the fastest way to get humble is wherever you're at right now in life. Get to the point where you think you have exactly what you want, of what you wanted when you make this thought.

Eldar [01:09:57]:
Okay, Jim Carrey, that's a long path, man.

Anatoliy [01:10:00]:
No, it's not that long.

Eldar [01:10:01]:
It's not that long, but some people have, like, I want to be a billionaire.

Anatoliy [01:10:04]:
Well, I mean, go get it. No, whatever. Realistic. For example, is it faster to get.

Mike [01:10:10]:
There or is it faster to hit rock bottom? Or is that rock bottom?

Eldar [01:10:16]:
Well, it has to be rock bottom.

Anatoliy [01:10:18]:
Yes. I'm saying that. Get to the place of where you think that you kind of like, again, when I say everything, you may not have all the money in the world ever, right. But get to the place where you feel that you more or less have most of the things that you wanted.

Mike [01:10:35]:
Right.

Eldar [01:10:36]:
All your needs are met.

Anatoliy [01:10:37]:
Yeah. All your needs are met. Get to that place. Because I think as soon as possible.

Mike [01:10:43]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:10:43]:
Because I feel like when you get to that place, that's probably your best chance to get to that point where the only thing that you could put going forward at fault is yourself, because you have everything.

Mike [01:11:02]:
Okay, got it.

Anatoliy [01:11:03]:
That, I think, is the purpose.

Mike [01:11:10]:
Of.

Anatoliy [01:11:10]:
That is because right now you have some preconceived notions.

Eldar [01:11:13]:
Okay, got it.

Mike [01:11:14]:
Right.

Anatoliy [01:11:15]:
Go accomplish them. Get to that place and see how you feel. If you still don't feel that you have the fulfillment, if you still feel like you have the emptiness or different things like that, at that point now, the only place to look is now within. And I think that necessary, that journey is necessary to get to that point the fastest to look within.

Mike [01:11:42]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:11:42]:
Because you're not going to look within until you've exhausted those things realistically.

Mike [01:11:46]:
Yeah, probably not.

Eldar [01:11:48]:
I agree.

Anatoliy [01:11:50]:
So that I think when you do that, and you are the only thing that is at fault now, moving forward, I think that you will go through an auto humbling process.

Mike [01:12:00]:
John, it.

Eldar [01:12:01]:
Yeah, I agree with that 100%. I agree with that 100%. I just hope that you, as a listener or the stupid motherfucker, doesn't have a huge list.

Mike [01:12:14]:
You understand?

Eldar [01:12:16]:
His advice is very important and 100% humbling and correct.

Mike [01:12:21]:
But if you have a huge list, good luck, bro. It's over for you.

Eldar [01:12:27]:
It might not even be in his lifetime.

Mike [01:12:31]:
Yeah. So that's it? Yeah.

Eldar [01:12:41]:
He's saying, get to a point where you can no longer point the finger at anyone else but yourself. Yes or no?

Mike [01:12:48]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:12:50]:
That's fucking tough.

Mike [01:12:51]:
That's tough to get.

Eldar [01:12:53]:
Get to a point where you can finally say, what the fuck was wrong with me.

Mike [01:12:59]:
Yeah, that's.

Eldar [01:13:00]:
That's deep.

Mike [01:13:00]:
Yeah. Okay.