Vemir [00:00:00]:
we usually trust good advice when it has proof, and that proof is usually through experience.
Tommy [00:00:07]:
You guess how many balls I have. He was a guy with one ball, right? So how many balls are between us? And the guy was like, four. And so he pulled down his pants to show that he had one ball, and the other guy pulled down his pants and he had three.
Anatoliy [00:00:22]:
And bring back some donuts and go fuck yourself.
Tommy [00:00:24]:
While you're at. You're lounging there like you got other things to do. Then criticize me. Look at yourself before you start talking shit.
Mike [00:00:30]:
The tacos. Did you win?
Anatoliy [00:00:31]:
No, I'm actually getting hungry.
Phillip [00:00:32]:
You want an Uber? Eats cookie and ice cream.
Eldar [00:00:45]:
This is a good one.
Vemir [00:00:46]:
Shaking you like this one last week was, like, courage or something.
Eldar [00:00:51]:
Yeah, last week was courage. And this time Mike is like, you know what?
Vemir [00:00:55]:
He's learning a lot.
Mike [00:00:57]:
I learned a lot.
Eldar [00:00:58]:
Yeah, he learned that.
Mike [00:00:59]:
He learned a lot.
Eldar [00:01:00]:
So he's like, you know what? Is there a way that we can learn without having to experience certain things?
Vemir [00:01:05]:
What the fuck?
Eldar [00:01:07]:
There you go. You like that, right?
Vemir [00:01:10]:
I'm ready.
Eldar [00:01:11]:
And I gave it some thought when I was walking with arch because you asked me that question. Mike.
Mike [00:01:15]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:01:15]:
Help us with this.
Mike [00:01:16]:
So the reason you came up with this.
Mike [00:01:17]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:01:18]:
Why did you say? I can say it?
Mike [00:01:19]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:01:20]:
And it was a question I'm personally.
Eldar [00:01:22]:
Thinking about wrestling with.
Mike [00:01:23]:
Wrestling with. If I could say last. Last week or two weeks ago, we had a podcast about the interaction I had two weeks ago with this girl that I met and that whole experience and something that Phil said, it made me think. He's like, yo, if you're hanging out with these type of people, with those.
Eldar [00:01:46]:
So 1 second. Because vermeer doesn't really know what the context is, right? So Mike, notoriously, has been always drawn to women that are more, like, materialistic. Let's just say they look crazy good, but they want all this fucking material shit. Nice bags, nice vacations and all this.
Vemir [00:02:05]:
You acknowledge that, agree with that?
Eldar [00:02:08]:
And he used to be the guy that fights all that, right?
Mike [00:02:11]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:02:11]:
He would take them out there and do all the shit. You know what I mean? But he was always under the impression that he was, like, falling in love with them and he really loves them and they love them back and all this other crap.
Mike [00:02:21]:
Right.
Eldar [00:02:22]:
But after self development journey, he finally realized, like, yo, wait a second.
Vemir [00:02:25]:
What's your motive? What's going on here?
Mike [00:02:29]:
Who am I?
Eldar [00:02:29]:
Yeah, he's starting to see things for what they are a little bit better.
Mike [00:02:34]:
Right?
Eldar [00:02:35]:
So with that being said, he went on a date recently, and the girl that he went on a date with. A double date with.
Mike [00:02:40]:
Right.
Eldar [00:02:41]:
And the girl that he went on a date with was, like, the epitome of the girls. They used to be attracted this old style of woman.
Mike [00:02:48]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:02:49]:
That he.
Vemir [00:02:49]:
Wow, this is so relevant to a conversation.
Eldar [00:02:51]:
All right. Very good. Okay.
Vemir [00:02:53]:
Holy glass.
Eldar [00:02:53]:
So he was like, yo, she's banging, right? He could show you pictures, right? Perfect body, perfect whatever. You know what I mean? But what he also brought into the dynamic was his new self. And his new self requires him to pay attention.
Mike [00:03:10]:
Right.
Eldar [00:03:10]:
It's inevitable for a person who thinks needs to start paying attention a little bit closer.
Mike [00:03:14]:
Yeah.
Vemir [00:03:15]:
You can't lie.
Mike [00:03:15]:
Yeah.
Vemir [00:03:16]:
Stimulus becomes real to you.
Eldar [00:03:18]:
So what happens now? Right during this date, he starts to really see things for what they are.
Vemir [00:03:24]:
Oh, shit.
Eldar [00:03:24]:
And what he saw, he's no longer attracted to. He's like, yo, this girl's the ugliest girl I've ever met. I can't believe her attitude. I can't believe this shit. You know what I mean?
Vemir [00:03:32]:
This sounds like a blessing.
Eldar [00:03:33]:
Oh, there you go.
Mike [00:03:34]:
Well, that's why the question was born.
Eldar [00:03:36]:
There you go. Now Mike goes.
Mike [00:03:38]:
So the question was born because Phil's like, yo, after we had the conversation, Phil's like, yo, if I see you hanging out with those people, going to those places, to me, it shows like, you haven't grown or you're not progressing.
Mike [00:03:51]:
Right?
Mike [00:03:51]:
Something like that. Am I correct, Phil? I'm a little drunk, so you can correct me if I'm wrong.
Eldar [00:03:57]:
I would say yes.
Tommy [00:03:58]:
Well, yeah.
Phillip [00:03:59]:
I don't know exactly.
Mike [00:03:59]:
He was saying it's a bad thing if I'm hanging out with those people, right? Like that kind of crowd, those particular people doing those type of things.
Mike [00:04:05]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:04:06]:
Well, I was saying.
Phillip [00:04:06]:
I was saying, I don't know how you could, if you were progressing the way that you thought that you were. And I think you were saying that you were struggling with wanting to be, like, this good philosophy guy and then also wanting to have this girl. You're almost trying to cheat the system.
Mike [00:04:23]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:04:24]:
My question to you is, when you're hanging out with these women, do you actually see them for what they are, or are you just lying to yourself? And I think this is the first time where I saw you talk about it in the truth, seeing it for what it was and you didn't like it, and then you felt really bad afterwards, because I think you actually saw what this woman was and what type of conversation they were.
Mike [00:04:47]:
Having.
Phillip [00:04:47]:
That was my understanding of it.
Mike [00:04:49]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:04:50]:
So basically, whatever he just said, I have no idea what he said, but I'm just going to agree with it.
Mike [00:04:55]:
Yeah, blah, blah, blah.
Eldar [00:04:56]:
No, he's right.
Mike [00:04:58]:
So I've been thinking about that, what.
Eldar [00:05:01]:
He said, it wasn't sitting well with you.
Mike [00:05:04]:
It wasn't sitting well with me. Okay, cool. I don't think it was supposed to.
Eldar [00:05:08]:
And I have my reasons why.
Mike [00:05:09]:
You have your reasons, too. And I was like, yo. Initially, overall, I had a great time that night. I had fun. I was able to be myself. I was trolling this girl. I was trolling the whole situation, like, all this rich, fancy stuff that was happening. And then afterwards, it was definitely painful because I had to face myself.
Mike [00:05:28]:
Right.
Mike [00:05:29]:
But after I faced myself, I realized this was, like, a crazy fucking, like, a blessing to actually see this. I learned a lot. I grew a lot.
Mike [00:05:38]:
And I was like, wait.
Mike [00:05:41]:
That's why the question came about. Is there a way? Because the end result of what happened was really rewarding, really interesting. It was a huge eye opener. I was like, yo, this is actually really great. I was like, yo. I'm kind of like, I would like to go in there again because I'm curious what else I could learn. Because I learned a lot. Yeah, I learned that.
Mike [00:05:59]:
I learned a lot. So my question was, is there another way that you can learn so much? Because I felt like I learned a lot without having to go into that thing, that situation, but also to learn the same stuff that I learned or kind of in such a way that I learned it. Okay. So, not that I'm like, yo, I'm craving to go out, but I was like, yo. Actually, in the end, this worked out.
Mike [00:06:24]:
Great because I understood a lot about myself. I was able to pay attention, see.
Mike [00:06:30]:
What'S happening, see the truth, which obviously.
Eldar [00:06:32]:
Goes against what he was saying.
Mike [00:06:35]:
So that's what bothered me. I was like, wait, phil is saying this, but I'm like, yo. I actually want to go there, but not for the reasons that I used to want to go there.
Eldar [00:06:41]:
That's right.
Mike [00:06:42]:
I actually want to go there because I learned so much here.
Eldar [00:06:45]:
That's a great experience.
Mike [00:06:46]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:06:46]:
And I think I know where Philip is coming from because we've discussed a little bit of what his journey is, right. And he's acknowledged or admitted to me and totally, for example, that he doesn't have the ability yet to be able to have fun with certain people in life, especially the people that he completely disagrees with.
Mike [00:07:05]:
Right.
Eldar [00:07:06]:
He doesn't know how to troll them. He doesn't know how to have jokes with them and stuff like that.
Mike [00:07:09]:
They kind of more like give him.
Eldar [00:07:12]:
The ick or frustrate him and stuff like that. So I think maybe he's giving you advice out of that place where it's like, hey, bro, why would you put yourself in that situation? Not really understanding that you might actually be able to handle that situation a little bit better than he is because of the fact that you have maybe trolling abilities and all this other stuff. Right.
Mike [00:07:31]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:07:31]:
Part of that is for sure the trolling. But to me, I was like, my thing is, like, I'm actually very curious what I can learn because I was surprised in what I had learned through this experience.
Mike [00:07:41]:
Right.
Mike [00:07:42]:
That was a big thing, the curiosity and the unexpected nature of the way the learning came about.
Mike [00:07:48]:
Okay. Yeah.
Vemir [00:07:49]:
If you want to learn to grow.
Phillip [00:07:50]:
I think that's totally different. If you're choosing to spend time with people and there's a girl there where, if you're getting set up on a double date or whatever it may be, there's a possibility that there's some interest. I just think, why would you waste your time of, like, well, I think that's the question. Learning versus, like, okay, there's a potential date. If it's a potential date. I think it's a waste of waste.
Mike [00:08:14]:
Okay.
Mike [00:08:16]:
Is it possible to learn everything that you need to learn without actually going into the field and learning it through the first hand experience? That's my question. Because how can I replicate that which I had without going out there and seeing that experience play out and everything that followed after that? Is there a way?
Eldar [00:08:36]:
Well, before we answer that, and I think Vermeer, I know where Vermir might go. Yeah, he's an eager beaver right now. He's, like, itching. Mike, can you tell me what did you actually learn in that experience?
Vemir [00:08:50]:
Great question.
Eldar [00:08:52]:
I was speaking for totally just now.
Mike [00:08:54]:
Yeah, I got you, t. You have.
Anatoliy [00:08:56]:
To follow up with one more thing. And how do you know that you actually learned?
Eldar [00:08:59]:
There you go. You see, I was playing questions related to actually, before you answer, and you will, please continue to answer the way.
Mike [00:09:08]:
You answer, I think you haven't learned anything there.
Mike [00:09:11]:
Yeah, that was also part of my thing, that I discovered something, but I obviously haven't learned the whole thing. So that was also part of my thought process when I was thinking about this a few days ago is like, I learned something, but I'm curious as to how much more that I have to learn still in this thing, because I feel like, this opened up the opportunity to learn, but there's so much more still I have to discover about it.
Mike [00:09:34]:
Okay, cool.
Mike [00:09:35]:
So I agree with you guys.
Eldar [00:09:37]:
I personally think that you didn't learn.
Mike [00:09:39]:
Anything in that experience at all. Okay.
Eldar [00:09:42]:
Not in the sense that zero growth. Yeah, zero. What I think actually happened is solidify the learning process that happened prior to that. Okay. So what you did was almost put a check Mark. It's like, oh, shit. And finally, the experience showed you that what you've been learning this whole time through conversation, through these dialogues that we've been having. So that experience just showed you like, yo, you on the fucking right path.
Mike [00:10:10]:
It wasn't learning.
Eldar [00:10:11]:
It was more learning.
Mike [00:10:12]:
Solidifying.
Eldar [00:10:13]:
It was solidifying.
Mike [00:10:14]:
What's the opposite of that?
Vemir [00:10:15]:
Can I ask, what experiences do you need to have that you cannot?
Eldar [00:10:24]:
Maybe.
Vemir [00:10:25]:
Let's ask the question in the reverse. Are there any experience? I think that's the question you must have.
Mike [00:10:30]:
That was the question I posed.
Eldar [00:10:32]:
Elder.
Mike [00:10:32]:
Obviously, this was the idea that birthed that question. But overall, in life, do we need to experience things in order to learn from them? I don't know what I wrote to you.
Eldar [00:10:42]:
My quick answer is no because of.
Vemir [00:10:45]:
The fact formula, right?
Mike [00:10:47]:
Yeah. And I also initially said no. But my thing that was bothering me and I haven't explored, is that when you're living out a certain thing for 30 years, 20 years, that you're so attached or you're so convinced over, how other way can you find it without actually going in to face that.
Eldar [00:11:04]:
Sure. But what did you learn, Mike? What did you actually learn if you learned something new? Because learning is to say that you've learned something new out outside of what you've already mean.
Mike [00:11:18]:
Probably learning is not the right word, but more so seeing it for what it is.
Vemir [00:11:23]:
I think that you now trust the advice you've been given or you trust the insights through. It's been proven almost in a way with a math formula. You have a proof, these proof. Your parents will give you advice. You're like, fuck that. I'm doing my thing. You go through experience, you learn they were right. Or like the shit that your elders say, eldar, elder, people, you might learn later that it's correct, but I think some people do need that experience to trust the advice they already know.
Vemir [00:12:03]:
Okay, that's kind of the point.
Eldar [00:12:05]:
What is the makeup of that trust, and what is it that he's actually putting value on right now? Because he's clearly putting value on that.
Vemir [00:12:11]:
He's putting value on the visceral experience. It's almost like if you were fat and you told me to go to the gym, you might be right, but you're not the example.
Eldar [00:12:19]:
Yeah.
Vemir [00:12:20]:
So it's almost like if I'm fit, if I'm saying go to the gym if you're fit, and if I talk to you in details of how to get striations on your shoulders and get that teardrop on your quads and stuff like that, you'll trust me a bit more because I have the experience and I trust the answer because I know exactly how I got there.
Mike [00:12:43]:
Yeah.
Vemir [00:12:44]:
Then again, you can give advice from a theoretical perspective. The criticism people often give is like, oh, they're in their ivory tower. They're just high flying and speaking on top or whatever. So we usually trust good advice when it has proof, and that proof is usually through experience.
Eldar [00:13:02]:
What does that mean, actually trust? Because I don't think that Mike experienced it and then started trusting his advice. I think Mike trusted before he went into the experience. That's why he had the experience in the first place. No.
Vemir [00:13:16]:
If you can say, like, oh, strip clubs are bad energy, and I don't go there, what is a better terrible example? Yeah. I'm not preaching to the choir at all here. Bada bing club.
Anatoliy [00:13:29]:
But I view this as almost like.
Vemir [00:13:31]:
Hard drugs or something.
Anatoliy [00:13:34]:
This is not, to me, like.
Mike [00:13:37]:
A.
Anatoliy [00:13:38]:
Trust, like a scenario. I view this as like we've been calling something a certain, like. And we've been agreeing on it. And for a long time, Mike has not been correct. Agreeing and calling it a different thing.
Mike [00:13:53]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [00:13:53]:
And then I think that what he was able to experience is getting on the same page, definition wise, as to what we were calling. And now starts a journey of him trying to get to a point where he can call that thing the same way that we call it.
Eldar [00:14:08]:
But he didn't learn it in that experience.
Anatoliy [00:14:09]:
Well, no, just the only thing that happens, that experience is that the equation showed it up.
Mike [00:14:15]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:14:15]:
It showed like, oh, look, it's in your face.
Vemir [00:14:17]:
In reality, I think is important. You just said he learned absolutely nothing.
Eldar [00:14:24]:
He learned nothing. Maybe it was a confirmation.
Vemir [00:14:28]:
These sound like binary.
Eldar [00:14:29]:
No, binary.
Vemir [00:14:30]:
There is nuance and a little bit of the gray.
Mike [00:14:33]:
Right.
Vemir [00:14:33]:
Like he saw in her eyes. Oh, my God.
Anatoliy [00:14:37]:
One more fucking pervert.
Vemir [00:14:40]:
What's up, baby?
Mike [00:14:42]:
My friend. I used the word learning because I felt it was appropriate, but probably not really learning is the right word. It's probably seeing things for what they are.
Eldar [00:14:50]:
Well, that's what it is.
Mike [00:14:51]:
But it felt like a learning thing because I did learn something new that I didn't know was how to see the truth. But I don't understand.
Vemir [00:14:57]:
Why is this a problem?
Mike [00:14:59]:
No, it's not a problem. It's the question, first place, why did.
Eldar [00:15:02]:
I pose the question?
Vemir [00:15:03]:
Yeah, why did you pose this question?
Mike [00:15:04]:
Because I would understand if it's possible to learn things without having to go into those experiences or it is necessary, like part of our journey.
Vemir [00:15:14]:
You know, war is bad and beheading babies is bad.
Mike [00:15:17]:
Yeah.
Vemir [00:15:19]:
You don't have to experience all that.
Phillip [00:15:20]:
Well, didn't we talk about this last podcast when what's his name, the doctor?
Mike [00:15:25]:
We did talk about it. We did, but it became a shit show about totally saying, I don't have to taste shit to know it tastes like shit.
Eldar [00:15:31]:
Right.
Phillip [00:15:31]:
So, yeah, didn't we touch on that?
Eldar [00:15:33]:
Well, yes, we did. That's why it's very interesting.
Vemir [00:15:35]:
I think it would be crazy to walk through life trying everything and disproving everything. It'd be insane.
Eldar [00:15:42]:
Yeah, it would be insane. But the thing is, the key here.
Mike [00:15:45]:
Right, that I think is in learning is humility.
Mike [00:15:51]:
Right?
Mike [00:15:52]:
So, like Tolly loves to say, get humbled to get fucked.
Vemir [00:15:55]:
Oh, I like that.
Mike [00:15:57]:
Is it necessary to always get humbled or to get fucked? Or you can get humbled regardless. This is general question.
Eldar [00:16:03]:
Absolutely.
Mike [00:16:05]:
But is that for everything? Can you always get humbled if you.
Vemir [00:16:10]:
Want to fuck or do you always.
Mike [00:16:10]:
Have to get fucked?
Eldar [00:16:11]:
You shouldn't be humble.
Mike [00:16:12]:
I'm just kidding.
Mike [00:16:18]:
What are you doing?
Mike [00:16:19]:
What the fuck?
Mike [00:16:19]:
You're embarrassing us.
Vemir [00:16:21]:
Just for the record, he's pulled out.
Anatoliy [00:16:23]:
A full not offering.
Eldar [00:16:26]:
You have to look presentable.
Vemir [00:16:27]:
He's pulled out a full bronzino. Just for the record.
Eldar [00:16:35]:
Wait, so did we come to the.
Phillip [00:16:36]:
Conclusion that it's up to the individual how they experience things? Like, if you have maybe a stronger emotional intelligence.
Eldar [00:16:43]:
No, that is a very dangerous thing because the individual. No individual might.
Mike [00:16:49]:
That's why I said. And make the 20 years of attachment can fuck up your judgment. Yes, absolutely. And you may need to go into the shit in order to face it, but if you don't have a long history of being attached to this specific belief, like I did for a very long time in this specific subject, I may need to learn this lesson in this. But in some other subject, I don't need to go into this kind of situation and have this experience. I may be like, you know what? You're right. I agree with you on logic. I agree with you on logic.
Mike [00:17:23]:
And I need to experience this, go into the depths of hell, whatever you want to call it, like a funny way. And you just be like, yo, yeah, you're right. I don't need to go. But some areas where we have strong attachments. I'm curious, is it the only way to actually get to the truth?
Phillip [00:17:42]:
Well, you'd have to answer that by basically saying, like, hey, are you actively trying to solve it? Where you're coming in here, you're asking questions on a day to day basis, and you're just not getting it. And then you're like, hey, I have an opportunity to go out with a couple of pissers. Should I basically put myself in front of these people to maybe try to get it through experience? Because through words, I'm not getting it. I think that's one way. But you weren't getting it based off. I think that was the example that I got, was I was telling you this one thing about yourself. Tollion and Eldar was like, hell, you know, like, we know this guy very well. We agree.
Phillip [00:18:19]:
We see this also. It's very apparent to us. You eventually said, like, okay, I'm going to go out with these people. And you just wanted to maybe do it for other reasons. But ironically enough, you got then to come to the same conclusion that we all came to, which is we see you liking these type of things for not what they are, for creating some kind of, like, false reality.
Mike [00:18:40]:
But the question is, do you need to climb into bed with that person or that interaction, or there's a way.
Phillip [00:18:47]:
You did and that's.
Vemir [00:18:49]:
But I know the general question is.
Mike [00:18:51]:
Tom, can you stop interrupting, please?
Eldar [00:18:53]:
Why are you yelling, bro?
Vemir [00:18:55]:
Oh, my. That was good timing. So the immediate thing that came to me, which maybe you sensed this, is like, what does the buddha do? Or what does they say that you can discover all answers through meditation? What is meditation? It's the complete lack of sense perception, right? You're tapping into your inner wisdom, consciousness.
Mike [00:19:19]:
But that sounds like a pipe dream, though. It's not a pipe. English version.
Vemir [00:19:23]:
The english version is. The english version is one word. It's awareness. The more you're sharpening your awareness, seeing life for the way it is.
Mike [00:19:35]:
But a person, no. Who's sick. The reason why is it possible to be aware?
Vemir [00:19:39]:
The reason why I'm sick? Well, sickness can wake you up in a way. It's like a cold splash of water. But let's not get into how to get someone who's completely unconscious awake. I'm talking about directly here what's important. I'm trying to throw this into the pot is if you sharpen your awareness, you can become an observer, which is what you do in meditation. If you become an observer and you see life the way it is, you can see what's going on in the world and solve those problems without directly engaging in them through experiential your body into this thing.
Mike [00:20:13]:
Right?
Vemir [00:20:13]:
Like, you can see the arc of effects of. I always bring up hard drugs, but it can be like anything. The arc of effects of being lazy, of lying.
Mike [00:20:24]:
Right.
Vemir [00:20:25]:
You can kind of see how the world works if you sharpen your awareness. So I think you went into this scenario with a tightly held belief. Like, your grip is this strong on it. Because it's been going like. That's your pattern for years, as you described. And then viscerally, you saw that your wisdom started to match the way things were. So you saw this kind of dissonance between your new awareness and the way things were and the way things are now.
Mike [00:20:55]:
Right?
Eldar [00:20:55]:
There's a difference.
Vemir [00:20:56]:
It's the same thing, but it's become two different realities. It's kind of like if you were to go away to the arabian desert and become really wise and peaceful. And you come back to New Milford, New Jersey, you'd have a different view of that area for sure. So I think that it's you getting jolted by a new awareness layered on top of previous.
Mike [00:21:22]:
So are you saying, like, this is a solidification process of the things that has been learned?
Vemir [00:21:27]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:21:28]:
Is that an old thing? Yeah.
Vemir [00:21:31]:
No, I'm saying that you're recording a.
Mike [00:21:33]:
Thing that kind of, like, maybe naturally occurs once you have the knowledge 100%. No. The opportunity comes about.
Vemir [00:21:40]:
If you sharpen your awareness, you level up faster. If you don't sharpen your awareness, you go through 2030 years of the same routine.
Eldar [00:21:48]:
You're going to get there, but it's going to take a much longer time with experience.
Vemir [00:21:51]:
So you don't need the experience. You need to sharpen your awareness. That's my formula, yeah.
Eldar [00:21:57]:
So when experiences do come about, you see things for what they are and you quickly learn. And you're not learning really, in those moments, right. You're almost solidifying that which you've learned prior, like he said, through meditation. I'm not sure how that works. Can you shut the fuck up?
Mike [00:22:12]:
Oh, my God.
Eldar [00:22:15]:
Yeah, Tom, every time you say, I can be aware, and I can be.
Tommy [00:22:19]:
Aware of Phil's knee, you just walked.
Anatoliy [00:22:20]:
In here and scrubbed on a donut.
Mike [00:22:22]:
I can be aware of this.
Eldar [00:22:23]:
You scrubbed out a donut.
Tommy [00:22:24]:
I can be aware of this repugnant snail right here.
Vemir [00:22:27]:
There's no way he can sit correctly chewing on.
Eldar [00:22:31]:
Is there any more donut hand split with us?
Tommy [00:22:36]:
I could be aware that Mike wants to eat my donut, for example.
Vemir [00:22:39]:
Is that an analogy?
Mike [00:22:41]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:22:44]:
Big water and a drink, not a beer.
Anatoliy [00:22:48]:
And bring back some donuts.
Mike [00:22:52]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:22:52]:
There's chocolates in there.
Mike [00:22:53]:
Where?
Vemir [00:22:53]:
All those boxes outside. Donuts, stupid.
Anatoliy [00:22:57]:
And close the door, Mike.
Eldar [00:22:59]:
Tom, that should. Smells good. We're going to give you a chance to speak and say something. What is this? Right, but we're not going to.
Vemir [00:23:04]:
What is it? It smells like fresh.
Eldar [00:23:09]:
Yeah, yeah, fresh print.
Mike [00:23:10]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:23:11]:
Tom, we're gonna give you a chance to talk and say something really specific, but you might have to wait till.
Vemir [00:23:16]:
The end of the podcast to do this.
Tommy [00:23:18]:
No, I give up.
Eldar [00:23:20]:
Tom, what were you saying?
Tommy [00:23:21]:
I'm saying, is it about awareness or is it about attention?
Mike [00:23:24]:
It was about learning.
Eldar [00:23:26]:
Mike wanted to know, right? He's like, hey, I went into this experience. He's like, I learned something. Can I skip this experience and learn that same thing? And my challenge to him was like, yo, I don't think you learned anything through our experience. That experience just gave you a real life example to solidify what you already knew.
Tommy [00:23:46]:
Wait, he asked. I learned something. Can I learn that?
Eldar [00:23:48]:
Without the experience, he couldn't tell me what he learned. I still want to ask him what he learned. I don't think he learned anything.
Tommy [00:23:53]:
Oh, about what? What did it have to do with?
Eldar [00:23:55]:
Well, it was about him going on a date with the same type of girl that he used to go on the dates with.
Mike [00:24:00]:
Right.
Eldar [00:24:01]:
Perfect girl, usually the girls that he's attracted to. You know what I mean? But when she opened her mouth during, for example, the dinner and the way she treated the waiter, did the dinner.
Tommy [00:24:11]:
Come out of her mouth?
Eldar [00:24:12]:
Pretty much, yeah. She was very condescending towards the waiter, for example. Right. Hey, where's my stuff? You didn't give me this stuff. And he saw it for what it was before. He would give passes.
Tommy [00:24:23]:
She wanted an enabler, maybe.
Eldar [00:24:25]:
Okay, sure, Tom, for taking a completely.
Phillip [00:24:27]:
Different way, but he was in denial before. So you're saying under what was he in denial?
Mike [00:24:31]:
He knew it.
Phillip [00:24:33]:
So you're basically saying, like, if he didn't learn anything, right, he's going into all these scenarios.
Eldar [00:24:38]:
No, I think he would give those types of people passes because of the way they look.
Phillip [00:24:43]:
No. So deep down, he did know what was actually happening in all of us.
Eldar [00:24:47]:
Everybody can say deep down where you know that.
Mike [00:24:49]:
No. The. No.
Phillip [00:24:50]:
Yeah, but there has to be then if he didn't learn anything, there has to be then, like, there was a denial or there was, like, a total, like.
Eldar [00:24:56]:
No, it was a judgment call. And his judgment was, hey, I want this piece of candy because she looks fucking great. Her asses and tits are nice. You know what I mean? Therefore, I'm okay with what she says and bullies the world and being a piece of shit. I still want to bet her.
Phillip [00:25:09]:
Okay, so you're saying that in order to then do that, like, coming from where he was, he had to make that call every time that he would interact with one of these.
Mike [00:25:17]:
Correct.
Vemir [00:25:17]:
He had to lie to himself.
Eldar [00:25:19]:
Correct.
Vemir [00:25:19]:
Not pay attention.
Mike [00:25:20]:
That's right.
Vemir [00:25:21]:
Like, filter.
Mike [00:25:22]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:25:23]:
He did not pay attention. And this time he went out there with the body of knowledge that he's finally gotten, and he's like, what the fuck is happening here?
Mike [00:25:32]:
Bless you. Thank you.
Eldar [00:25:33]:
Exactly right?
Mike [00:25:34]:
He's like, what the fuck? What is happening here?
Eldar [00:25:37]:
This is a gorgeous fucking girl. Everything that I ever wanted, and I don't want to have anything to do with her.
Vemir [00:25:43]:
And you no longer see into her deeper.
Eldar [00:25:46]:
That's right.
Mike [00:25:46]:
Right?
Vemir [00:25:47]:
Like, that's what they say. Surface level.
Mike [00:25:49]:
That's right. Yeah.
Eldar [00:25:50]:
He was able to. I mean, this ugly duckling that she really is.
Vemir [00:25:54]:
But I think maybe, like, this attitude, though, I feel like I want to give, like, a little asterisk or yellow.
Eldar [00:26:05]:
And let's not just put this in there, too. He had the chance to ask her for another date, continue the situation based on what was happening.
Vemir [00:26:14]:
But I think there's, like, a thing I notice a lot of times.
Eldar [00:26:20]:
Oh, you were able to sniff her butthole if you wanted to.
Mike [00:26:23]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:26:24]:
You did sniff her butthole.
Mike [00:26:25]:
I could have no problem.
Eldar [00:26:26]:
Yeah, I could. No problem.
Mike [00:26:29]:
I know. Mikey.
Vemir [00:26:30]:
Mikey knows. The thing I was going to be aware of is, like, I think even spiritual or more aware, people might be so proud of how aware they are that they start to judge people preemptively, which is a mistake. I'm not saying you're doing that. I'm saying that I've seen that been done where it's like everybody's a sheep. I'm awake. I'm above everything. That's the guy who goes to the bar and says, hey, guys, aren't we all? Just one kind of kills the mood. You're not reading the room.
Vemir [00:26:56]:
You know what I'm talking about.
Eldar [00:26:57]:
I know exactly. This is not what we're striving for.
Vemir [00:27:01]:
And I don't see that. I'm saying I think sometimes you might be on a date and signs are clear as day, but also could be contextual. I think that I have a theory about this, like a sensitivity to life. And I used to say sensitivity, I could say awareness, but it's like, this is extremely important in finding the right person for you, whether it's friends or romantically. Do you want me to say it now? Sure, absolutely. I thought about this deeply because I was at this airport and this algerian guy, I saw him and I was like, you're algerian? And he looks at his clothes like, is there a sign on me that says I'm algerian? You got it perfectly right. We were in Newark airport. It's not like I was at algerian airport.
Vemir [00:27:48]:
So we had a nice long conversation and he know, good people, good souls find each other. I thought that was really sweet phrase.
Mike [00:27:57]:
But here's the point.
Vemir [00:27:59]:
I think that if you're more sensitive, you're more aware, whatever the adjective is that hits right, you become aware more authentically of who you are. And then you start to be able to map onto the world what is compatible and what you want to see in the world. You don't want to see a rude waitress. You know exactly these kind of criteria and what isn't.
Eldar [00:28:24]:
Yeah, that's very empowering, by the way.
Vemir [00:28:27]:
And it's very empowering because you have.
Eldar [00:28:31]:
More clarity about what you start to become a creator.
Vemir [00:28:36]:
And not only are you a creator, you can now seek out people who are also sensitive because they've sharpened their awareness. That's why once you get to a certain level, you're able to go deeper, quickly. You become fast friends. You become closer than you were with your uncle, who's still at whatever stage he's at, or your distant cousin, who you talk to. It's blood related, but it's not awareness related. So it's like, the point being is as you become more sensitive, as you become more aware, you start to find the right people quicker. You solve this chasm of ten year, 20 year journey. You're like, I want that.
Vemir [00:29:14]:
I love that. I don't like that. I move on. You're sharpening who you are and who other people are, because if you can see the way things are and see the way people are, see the way the world is, then you can have an accurate feedback and you don't get disappointed later. I think this is extremely empowering.
Mike [00:29:31]:
I agree.
Vemir [00:29:32]:
And that's like the main motivation, right? It's to live a better life 100%.
Eldar [00:29:36]:
To be able to live your best self out, right. And get what you want from life by choice and not by just a mere chance. I'm not getting duped 100% or be a victim.
Tommy [00:29:48]:
Do you think some people on some, are you yelling?
Mike [00:29:52]:
What the fuck?
Eldar [00:29:53]:
Yeah.
Tommy [00:29:54]:
Do you think some people on this.
Eldar [00:29:55]:
Is an outburst, by the way, before we hear his point, we're going to say this is an outburst.
Tommy [00:29:59]:
Mike's belligerent date. Does she on some level know that she's wrong or she's completely absurd or something?
Vemir [00:30:09]:
Do you think you're going, to her.
Eldar [00:30:11]:
Perspective, Mike is going to say that she was completely out of control.
Mike [00:30:15]:
Yeah, she was out of control.
Eldar [00:30:16]:
But do you know that she, in.
Mike [00:30:17]:
Her element of not knowing anything that's going on, okay? She's completely stuck in her world.
Tommy [00:30:22]:
She's unable to understand and I think.
Eldar [00:30:24]:
The most amount of funds. And I think what you're probably drawn to, Mike, right, which I was drawn to as right at the time when I was dating, is to go into that element and to be able to point that out and see the fucking feedback.
Vemir [00:30:38]:
To me, that's fun.
Eldar [00:30:40]:
I love that I was called a bully. You know that.
Vemir [00:30:43]:
But it's not bullying. It's like you're. No, but you're breaking open the cracks a little bit.
Eldar [00:30:47]:
That's fun as shit. It is fun for the people, like, knows exactly what they're doing, but the individuals that are receiving it. Right.
Mike [00:30:53]:
You're fucking bullied because they take it personally.
Eldar [00:30:56]:
That's right.
Vemir [00:30:57]:
This is the craziest thing I'll tell you on your, which is a normal phenomenon. People who, and I'm talking as a little plant, not a tree. People who are not aware or not even on the journey yet or so starting on the journey, they take wisdom as a personal attack, which keeps them further in their shell, which is perfectly.
Eldar [00:31:18]:
Normal, because normal people, a lot of times are consumed by an ego and.
Vemir [00:31:22]:
Pride, and they're not even seeing you. You're talking to them, they're not even there. That's the craziest. Once you see that, you're like, you're not even here with me. That's what I don't like, especially in dating. I filter that out.
Eldar [00:31:37]:
No, I actually think that that's preemptive.
Vemir [00:31:39]:
Very important part of the process experiences 100%.
Eldar [00:31:44]:
That's where I think that Mike should take this. Right? Take this is go out there and really fuck shit up. That's why I've always been telling him, like, yo, go out there and just oppress people. You know what I mean?
Vemir [00:31:54]:
Why do you say oppress.
Eldar [00:31:55]:
It's so funny because that's what it is. I don't know.
Vemir [00:31:58]:
The truth of the matter is, you're being facetious, right? Yeah.
Mike [00:32:02]:
No, I'm not.
Eldar [00:32:03]:
I'm being confident in that which we're selling.
Vemir [00:32:05]:
Oppressing people is such a funny way to say.
Eldar [00:32:08]:
And the truth of the matter is, that which we're selling is nobody can jump over.
Mike [00:32:12]:
What do you mean?
Eldar [00:32:14]:
Like, we know our shit, we like our shit, and nobody can tell us shit.
Vemir [00:32:18]:
Oh, your control is in you.
Eldar [00:32:19]:
Oh, yeah.
Vemir [00:32:20]:
Now we're talking about empowerment, baby.
Eldar [00:32:22]:
100%. So we go out there and we fuck shit up. You know what I'm saying? That's why I think that that's more of an empowering thing where you should go out there and have fucking fun and date 1000 girls. You know what I'm saying? If you need to. You know what I'm saying?
Vemir [00:32:36]:
But I don't think he's even going to get there. He's not going to want. But you're saying that agenda is helpful. Yes, because it's like. But this is the thing about parenting, too. I don't have kids, but it's like you might want to tell your kids, go see the world. You'll know. You'll know the answer.
Vemir [00:32:51]:
But they can get harmed. They can burn their hand one too many times.
Eldar [00:32:54]:
Yeah, but that's before conscious awareness of what we're trying to do. We have a very specific agenda. This shit is brainwashing people into doing right. Question whether you like it or not.
Mike [00:33:05]:
For Mike.
Tommy [00:33:06]:
I have a question for Mike.
Eldar [00:33:07]:
Okay, sure.
Tommy [00:33:08]:
You learned something. I'm wondering if you're. Because, Eldor, you said that Mike couldn't really tell you what he learned. You were trying to figure out what he learned.
Eldar [00:33:18]:
I think he used the wrong words in order to describe his just.
Vemir [00:33:21]:
I know what you're saying, though.
Mike [00:33:23]:
I looked at it as a learn, but it was wrong. Identification.
Eldar [00:33:26]:
Yeah. Like, what are you trying to prevent from happening and why?
Vemir [00:33:32]:
Can I ask you a stupid question?
Eldar [00:33:35]:
Because I'm afraid.
Vemir [00:33:36]:
How does it.
Mike [00:33:36]:
Wait.
Vemir [00:33:37]:
This is avoidance.
Eldar [00:33:38]:
Part of it.
Vemir [00:33:39]:
But my question for you is, why did you feel down in the dumps after?
Mike [00:33:46]:
Why did you feel.
Vemir [00:33:47]:
Was it just like a sober realization? Kind of like when you figure out, your dad's not Superman? This is the thing. All the shit that I cared about so much.
Mike [00:33:56]:
No, you know what I mean.
Vemir [00:33:58]:
I really added so much value on this.
Mike [00:34:01]:
I was depressed, but I didn't understand why.
Vemir [00:34:04]:
Yeah, why were you depressed?
Mike [00:34:06]:
Because I think it was subconsciously. I knew that something was up.
Vemir [00:34:09]:
What do you mean, like, something was up? You feel like you got.
Eldar [00:34:13]:
He committed suicide, my man.
Vemir [00:34:15]:
Yeah, I know, but that should feel great, bro.
Mike [00:34:17]:
No, not when you're confused about.
Vemir [00:34:21]:
I understand, but you're reflecting back. You still have questions, though. That's why we're here talking about it. What is still the piece that's uncomfortable? There's something of you dying, obviously.
Mike [00:34:30]:
Yeah, but it's like.
Vemir [00:34:32]:
My mom almost described it really well. She took it from a spiritual leader. She said, you're giving up nothing, your.
Mike [00:34:37]:
Ego, to gain everything. Wisdom, awareness, God, whatever it's called. And I feel like, isn't it a relief?
Vemir [00:34:46]:
No burden.
Eldar [00:34:48]:
I think it's a very humbling experience because at the end of the day.
Vemir [00:34:51]:
Vamir, I think he's saying, I was wrong. And I admit that that's number one.
Eldar [00:34:55]:
However, it's not completely a relief because of the fact that the journey is not done yet.
Vemir [00:35:01]:
We still have to work. No, dating wise, it's so much fun.
Mike [00:35:09]:
Initially, I was telling the guys, I don't know. I told Phil, I said, now that I understood this, now I'm more confused than before, because now I don't know what to do. Because identified with this person for 2030 years of my life, this identity, now I'm in a more confused place because everything I believed or tricked myself into believing now is dead. So now I have a clean slate. I thought I knew something. Now I realize I don't know anything. So that was also part of the scary.
Vemir [00:35:34]:
But what you know is extremely strong, right?
Mike [00:35:37]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:35:38]:
But initially, when you're stranded on the island, it doesn't feel like that. You don't feel empowered until. Because you can't make sense. What the hell just happened here? Some crazy shit went down.
Eldar [00:35:48]:
I just think that he was faced with a flood of emotions and everything else that he wasn't able to comprehend.
Vemir [00:35:53]:
Totally natural.
Eldar [00:35:54]:
That's why he was a little bit defeated. But I think it's also humbling because of the fact that, look, he understood that the journey is bigger than him.
Vemir [00:36:03]:
The journey is bigger than him.
Mike [00:36:05]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:36:06]:
And the reason why it's him right now is because the ego used to.
Mike [00:36:10]:
Be bigger than the journey before. Right.
Eldar [00:36:13]:
So the ego has to take a certain.
Vemir [00:36:14]:
It doesn't want to learn, right?
Eldar [00:36:15]:
No, it doesn't want to learn. It doesn't want to learn. It already knows everything. It already knows.
Mike [00:36:19]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:36:21]:
And because of that, it's not like he's done. He's not done. He still has quirks that he needs to work on in order for it to be smooth sailing when it comes to relationships. At least that's what he's trying to.
Mike [00:36:30]:
Tackle, you know what I mean? And until he gets there, he's going.
Eldar [00:36:34]:
To have a little bit of confusion, I think.
Vemir [00:36:36]:
Can I give the antidote? I was going to say, sure. I had a conversation with. And I don't want to overtake. I'm just saying, like, I had a.
Mike [00:36:42]:
Conversation with somebody and they were talking about, like, they noticed their new dating was not dramatic.
Vemir [00:36:50]:
And I heard this maybe three other places. And it's like, I guess sometimes we're used to a certain way of being, right? Like we watch in the movies or we watch our parents relationships, or we watch by examples because we have nothing else to go off.
Mike [00:37:08]:
Yeah.
Vemir [00:37:08]:
But then it's like I realized me, vamir, directly, once I released all the other shit. The confusion, not knowing how to be with girls. Beta alpha fucking strategy. I let it all go. It all died. I just could be myself. It flowed smoothly. I didn't have to put on anything.
Vemir [00:37:31]:
There was less friction.
Mike [00:37:32]:
That's right.
Vemir [00:37:32]:
It's almost like once you're wiser, wiser means you understand life more. Wiser means that if you understand life more, it flows more smoothly. That becomes very clear to me. So, example with the feminine nature. My arc was so different, right? I went from not knowing my potential to knowing exactly who I am. And I don't shy away from who I am in that department. We've talked about this before, so then it feels keen to me to just emphasize it here in that. That's why it becomes easier.
Vemir [00:38:08]:
I think we're even used to things being difficult because we're so wrapped up in illusion. But it's not like it even has to be difficult. And I think that can be extended to other things.
Eldar [00:38:20]:
Yeah, but it's super necessary for it to be difficult.
Vemir [00:38:22]:
It's what it's super necessary for at one stage.
Mike [00:38:26]:
Yeah.
Vemir [00:38:26]:
Like, there's that greek statue, you know, that Bacchus and his sons, they're getting devoured by the snakes. That's like the archetype is the Lau kun. Lau kun. Sorry, I say Bacchus all the time. Lao kun and his sons, the theme is like, they died for nothing. Like, he was a priest and it was needless suffering. And I think that can be extended culturally, can be extended in so many ways, like most of the time or all the time that we suffer just because of illusion. So I think one signal is that as you learn this will become easier because it's more natural, it's more authentic.
Vemir [00:39:06]:
I feel like that's something you can get excited for, Mike.
Eldar [00:39:10]:
I'm already excited, Mike.
Mike [00:39:12]:
I mean, I'm already excited.
Eldar [00:39:13]:
What do you're not?
Vemir [00:39:15]:
I'm saying, like, that's a signal.
Eldar [00:39:16]:
You have to rephrase the question. Mike, the public is demanding for you to rephrase the question.
Vemir [00:39:22]:
Maybe it's answered. Seems like it's.
Eldar [00:39:24]:
It could be answered.
Vemir [00:39:26]:
What do you think, Mikey?
Mike [00:39:27]:
Mikey? Mikey.
Eldar [00:39:30]:
Tom is puzzled.
Mike [00:39:30]:
Whiskey.
Eldar [00:39:31]:
Mike, if you have anybody looks at Tom right now, seriously, he's very puzzled.
Vemir [00:39:34]:
What's the backdrop?
Eldar [00:39:35]:
Is there a reason why you have a 1960s fucking haircut?
Mike [00:39:38]:
Stallone.
Vemir [00:39:39]:
Just tell me. Get out.
Eldar [00:39:40]:
Stallone.
Tommy [00:39:41]:
An artist goes through ugly duckling from cliff.
Eldar [00:39:44]:
Cliffhanger. Cliffhanger. Fucking idiot, bro.
Vemir [00:39:48]:
Oh, my God, the cliffhanger.
Phillip [00:39:50]:
Like Rambo?
Vemir [00:39:51]:
Yes, Rambo.
Mike [00:39:52]:
Rambo.
Tommy [00:39:53]:
I'd rather be Rambo than some fake ass version of myself.
Eldar [00:39:56]:
Rambo is fake, right, Mike?
Vemir [00:39:59]:
That was a good trap.
Eldar [00:40:01]:
Why did you pose the question? Full book is the question now has to be revised? If so, how?
Mike [00:40:06]:
Yeah, the question probably has to be revised.
Eldar [00:40:12]:
What do you want to say?
Mike [00:40:13]:
It's not even really a question anymore. Just like a statement probably.
Vemir [00:40:15]:
Now, what's the statement?
Mike [00:40:17]:
The importance of solidifying your knowledge through experience.
Tommy [00:40:21]:
Is it fair to say that everyone in.
Eldar [00:40:23]:
Mike, was that necessary? Mike, was that necessary?
Mike [00:40:26]:
No.
Eldar [00:40:28]:
Was that experience that you had was necessary in order to finally put a stamp on the knowledge that we've been talking about?
Mike [00:40:35]:
For me, in that sphere, yeah, there.
Vemir [00:40:38]:
Is a finality to it, but I'm.
Mike [00:40:40]:
Trying to ask if that's for everybody, if that's the case for everybody and everything, we have to learn our lessons the hard way or learn we need to learn it.
Eldar [00:40:49]:
Why did you have to learn it this way?
Mike [00:40:51]:
Because I was egotistical and attached to a certain idea.
Eldar [00:40:54]:
So anybody who was egotistical and attached to a certain idea has to learn this way?
Mike [00:40:58]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:40:58]:
So is it possible to always become humble in every single thing?
Eldar [00:41:05]:
If the journey to be as humble as possible in order to enjoy the fruits of life.
Mike [00:41:10]:
Yeah.
Vemir [00:41:11]:
Isn't humility and ego. I'm so humble.
Phillip [00:41:14]:
Wait, what about the example of when we're still in the Paramis office and you guys are talking to me about discipline and that you guys were verbalizing it to me and I was getting it and I was like, oh, I had an aha moment. So why can't you have an aha moment based off of words?
Eldar [00:41:29]:
No, the reason why we said that is because certain people who have ego and pride need to go to those experience, and the experience itself will then prove it. Certain individuals who are humble will not. And they will learn from imagination.
Phillip [00:41:46]:
Okay, so in that moment, I was being humble in that moment.
Mike [00:41:49]:
Correct.
Phillip [00:41:49]:
If I was telling you guys like, oh, no, that would be me saying, okay, then I have to be subject to experience.
Mike [00:41:55]:
Yes, correct.
Vemir [00:41:56]:
Could you say more about what you just said?
Eldar [00:41:58]:
I said that the individual humble will just get advice and do it. The person who's humble was able to see it for what it is in that moment without needing to experience it.
Vemir [00:42:09]:
Because the stereotype of this is like a christian girl whose father is giving her advice, and she just listens to that advice, and she never does anything outside of what he says. That's like an archetype.
Eldar [00:42:21]:
No, but that's fear. But I'm not trying to leave with.
Vemir [00:42:25]:
What'S the difference between someone who just follows the advice and someone who's. Okay, I don't get your idea.
Eldar [00:42:32]:
I got. I know what you're looking for. I know what you're looking for.
Mike [00:42:35]:
The difference is logic and reason.
Eldar [00:42:37]:
Yes. Talking to somebody.
Mike [00:42:40]:
Right.
Eldar [00:42:40]:
Talking to somebody where you're invoking reason and autonomy versus talking at somebody.
Mike [00:42:48]:
Okay. That's the difference.
Eldar [00:42:50]:
I get that the father is talking at her and not with her. But the question is then when we talk about discipline with Philip, we ask him questions, and we try to invoke his own reason and understanding, and he pulled together all their understanding that he already has as a person of whatever age he is.
Mike [00:43:08]:
Right.
Eldar [00:43:08]:
And he's like, that fucking makes sense. What the fuck? I don't need to go test this out. I got it.
Vemir [00:43:15]:
Do you think that there's.
Eldar [00:43:16]:
He already tested it out, probably several times.
Vemir [00:43:18]:
But is life solvable? This is probably the root of what you're saying. By logic and reason. I don't think you can solve every problem.
Eldar [00:43:26]:
I think you can.
Mike [00:43:27]:
I think you want a romantic relationship.
Vemir [00:43:29]:
You apply reason to romance, it's going to kill it.
Tommy [00:43:32]:
Right, but that's not romance we're really talking about. That's called dysfunctional relationship.
Vemir [00:43:37]:
I know. I'm asking a subversion question. I'm saying, like, creativity, some parts of romance. Like, you can't use the same hammer for every nail.
Eldar [00:43:47]:
I know. I get that you're saying this is.
Vemir [00:43:50]:
To solve dysfunctional problems.
Eldar [00:43:53]:
You would have to give me an actual example in order for me to say, you know what? I can't apply logic here.
Vemir [00:43:57]:
Comedy.
Mike [00:43:58]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:43:58]:
I don't think when people try to. No, I don't think. There's no problem. You can't apply logic.
Eldar [00:44:03]:
In order to continue this conversation. And totally, can you please moderate?
Tommy [00:44:08]:
Go sit in the moderator.
Mike [00:44:09]:
Can you do an impression?
Vemir [00:44:11]:
Can you do his voice?
Mike [00:44:13]:
Give him a donut.
Anatoliy [00:44:14]:
He just ate two donuts after being called out on the first one for not.
Mike [00:44:18]:
He's an arrogant piece of shit.
Anatoliy [00:44:20]:
He opened the second bag, doubled that scarf down the second one.
Vemir [00:44:23]:
It's a Dunkin donuts. Donut.
Eldar [00:44:24]:
Why?
Mike [00:44:24]:
He's an arrogant prick. He came here not showing up to work all day, strolls in with two bagels, two donuts and a coffee. Doesn't ask anybody anything. After I messaged him multiple times to invite him to lunch, and he didn't respond.
Eldar [00:44:38]:
I was working.
Mike [00:44:39]:
There's a guy's a piece of shit.
Anatoliy [00:44:40]:
Okay, Mike, tomorrow. I mean, on Monday.
Eldar [00:44:44]:
I'll see you in there.
Mike [00:44:45]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:44:46]:
It's over, right? We'll fire up the Nintendo 64 and.
Mike [00:44:48]:
Put up the projector, take a shit in every corner and everything.
Tommy [00:44:50]:
I'm not writing today. That's just the life of a writer. I chose not to write today. And you guys can shake your head.
Mike [00:44:55]:
All you want, and you have other things to do in there.
Mike [00:44:58]:
You have organizations.
Tommy [00:44:59]:
You're lounging there like you got other things to do. Then criticize me. Look at yourself before start talking.
Mike [00:45:07]:
Should I control Tom Dennis?
Tommy [00:45:09]:
Make sure this starts the podcast.
Vemir [00:45:11]:
What's in that donut?
Tommy [00:45:12]:
And note totally silence.
Eldar [00:45:13]:
Eldar is out of control right now.
Mike [00:45:14]:
He's out of control.
Mike [00:45:15]:
Who is?
Vemir [00:45:16]:
Tommy Eldar. You got your referee shirt on. They're going to brawl.
Tommy [00:45:20]:
Listen, I just destroyed this room while.
Mike [00:45:22]:
You were out there.
Mike [00:45:23]:
Tommy's out of control.
Vemir [00:45:24]:
I don't feel anything.
Mike [00:45:24]:
Tom.
Eldar [00:45:25]:
What happened to man? Everything's. We're going to solve.
Mike [00:45:27]:
Everything's good. Good. Everything's fine.
Vemir [00:45:28]:
No, I believe, guys, everything is fine. Paul Mitchell.
Eldar [00:45:32]:
Tom's our guy.
Vemir [00:45:33]:
My guy.
Eldar [00:45:34]:
All right.
Mike [00:45:38]:
I guess the answer, in short, is that for certain people, it's super necessary to go through that experience.
Vemir [00:45:45]:
But that's what we call the hardware.
Eldar [00:45:46]:
Go through hardware experience. If you need to experience to learn or to understand something. Right. It's almost experience primitive or no.
Mike [00:45:55]:
Yeah, I agree with experience primitive.
Mike [00:45:59]:
Yes.
Mike [00:46:00]:
Is experience learning?
Eldar [00:46:01]:
Yes. So the motherfuckers that say I learned through experience, they're dumb.
Vemir [00:46:06]:
But let's give a justification.
Eldar [00:46:09]:
Hold on 1 second. Let me throw that on x real quick.
Mike [00:46:12]:
On what? X.
Eldar [00:46:14]:
Hold on 1 second.
Vemir [00:46:15]:
There's a justification for what he just said. Though, and I'll tell you what I think it is for what?
Phillip [00:46:21]:
Philip, you know, we didn't answer the question that you had. You said, in the realm of comedy, how can you use logic?
Mike [00:46:29]:
Yeah. Okay.
Vemir [00:46:30]:
So I want to get back to that, but I wanted to see if.
Eldar [00:46:33]:
I softened the blow for the world. I said, if you learn through experience, you might be dumb. Might be dumb.
Mike [00:46:38]:
Okay.
Vemir [00:46:39]:
I think the reason why, Eldar, is because there is too much life is this amount. It's too short for you to be able to go through.
Eldar [00:46:52]:
No, that's only if you have a finite.
Vemir [00:46:54]:
There's no way to become truly wise or max out through experience. Life is too short.
Eldar [00:46:59]:
Okay.
Vemir [00:47:00]:
You have to subvert with new formulas.
Mike [00:47:03]:
Sure.
Vemir [00:47:03]:
That's like, a direct justification for what you're saying. You need to learn from the wise. You need to learn.
Eldar [00:47:10]:
No, you don't need.
Vemir [00:47:12]:
In order to level up as much as you can. It's the only way.
Mike [00:47:15]:
Sure.
Vemir [00:47:16]:
You cannot fill your life up with experiences and reach the mountaintop, let's say. Can you agree with. I think that's a good justification.
Mike [00:47:24]:
What was it?
Eldar [00:47:25]:
Everybody? It's not for you, but I'm saying different starting point.
Vemir [00:47:28]:
Everybody has a different starting. I'm saying that there's no way that you can move slowly, but you'll die before reaching the level. You can. If you're wise, you will learn through other people's.
Eldar [00:47:42]:
Only if you believe that the dying part is the end of your learning.
Mike [00:47:44]:
Okay.
Vemir [00:47:45]:
If you want to finish in this samsara cycle, right? If you want to finish within this lifetime, or if you want to accelerate as much as possible, which fix my.
Eldar [00:47:53]:
Watch, which is really nice, by the way.
Vemir [00:47:56]:
A wise person will want to level up also as fast as possible.
Mike [00:48:00]:
That's a meta wisdom misconception, I think. No, a wise person understands the process and doesn't want.
Eldar [00:48:07]:
Yeah, but respect the process.
Vemir [00:48:08]:
If you respect the process, then you know that learning from logic, reason, other people's wisdom is faster, which is better, which is less painful, which is less karmatic suffering, all that stuff.
Mike [00:48:19]:
But it's not like a million reasons.
Eldar [00:48:20]:
Perception, people, sure, but you're underestimating life's journeys and everything else. I'm not disrespect statement.
Vemir [00:48:27]:
No, I'm respecting it. I'm saying that because you got to.
Eldar [00:48:30]:
Understand that you from a bum. You know what I'm saying is what I'm trying to say.
Vemir [00:48:34]:
I don't think bums exist.
Eldar [00:48:37]:
No.
Mike [00:48:38]:
I think that when you have the learning.
Eldar [00:48:40]:
What I know what he's trying.
Mike [00:48:42]:
I think when you have the learning, the experience, they just come your way. It's like they gravitate towards you.
Vemir [00:48:47]:
Also, by the way, the holier than thou thing is like, it's not all 100%. Like you don't level up all the same shit. I still have dysfunctions, and I'm super wise.
Mike [00:48:59]:
Those double girls that.
Tommy [00:49:00]:
I want to say something here.
Eldar [00:49:02]:
Show them the pictures.
Tommy [00:49:05]:
I've got an idea.
Anatoliy [00:49:10]:
That you cannot solve.
Vemir [00:49:11]:
Comedy. You cannot solve with logic and reason. You cannot explain.
Mike [00:49:14]:
You want to see the pictures, right, Ramire?
Eldar [00:49:16]:
And which sign?
Vemir [00:49:17]:
If you say, well, if I do the one two three pattern, or if I pause before the joke, it'll cause dramatic effect. Comedy will only be learned through experience, and some people obviously have a higher talent for it. Comedy, for me is not explainable. It doesn't work by.
Anatoliy [00:49:33]:
Are you talking about doing performing comedy?
Vemir [00:49:36]:
Damn.
Mike [00:49:37]:
Go that way. There's more.
Phillip [00:49:38]:
I've heard comedy broken down in language before that makes sense to me.
Vemir [00:49:41]:
Yeah, but it doesn't evoke the.
Phillip [00:49:44]:
No, no, but you can explain what it is.
Anatoliy [00:49:46]:
Aristotle had it.
Phillip [00:49:48]:
But you're talking about delivery versus not.
Eldar [00:49:51]:
You like what you're seeing or no?
Mike [00:49:52]:
Yes.
Vemir [00:49:53]:
This is like some ukrainian girl.
Mike [00:49:55]:
Ukrainian girl?
Mike [00:49:56]:
Yeah.
Vemir [00:49:56]:
Is she?
Eldar [00:49:57]:
Yeah. Dude, I told you I'm good with you. You want him to pass that on to you? Wait, this is the horror story?
Vemir [00:50:04]:
No, I mean, like, look.
Anatoliy [00:50:05]:
That's the horror story.
Vemir [00:50:06]:
My friend chases bimbos because he thinks all women are bimbos. Do you understand that?
Mike [00:50:11]:
Yeah.
Vemir [00:50:12]:
He's wrong, but he will not seek out the wisdom.
Eldar [00:50:15]:
You like that camel toe?
Vemir [00:50:16]:
I could change her.
Eldar [00:50:18]:
That's what Mikey's thinking. Mikey.
Tommy [00:50:20]:
Okay, so that's the 1000 dates mindset. I can change her.
Vemir [00:50:25]:
That was a sarcastic.
Eldar [00:50:26]:
Even if you have to walk away, right.
Tommy [00:50:28]:
You have to face the she's good looking difficulties.
Mike [00:50:30]:
She's good looking, she's beautiful.
Vemir [00:50:31]:
But I've rejected women because of their.
Mike [00:50:34]:
And the standards of beauty that we discussed.
Tommy [00:50:37]:
So, guys, I want to bring up an idea.
Eldar [00:50:39]:
Maybe Mike will take a liking to Tom.
Vemir [00:50:41]:
I wanted to ask the comedy. You can write all you want about swimming, but there's some direct experiential thing that happens when you swim. You can write a book on.
Mike [00:50:54]:
Right.
Vemir [00:50:54]:
You cannot put life into concepts.
Mike [00:50:57]:
Yeah, but the guys who train the top athletes, they're not better than those athletes. Right? You know what I'm saying?
Vemir [00:51:03]:
Because watch and give an awareness.
Mike [00:51:05]:
Professional fighters, they're giving perspective. They're not better than those fighters. Otherwise they will be fighting in the same division or the athletes or tennis or basketball.
Mike [00:51:12]:
Right.
Mike [00:51:13]:
Whatever sport, there's a coach, and the coach knows something.
Eldar [00:51:16]:
That and the comedy practice happens in the mirror anyway. What the comedy happens in the mirror.
Vemir [00:51:23]:
100% mean a routine.
Eldar [00:51:24]:
A routine.
Vemir [00:51:25]:
I'm talking about, like, when you know someone who's really funny, they have a certain. Really, honestly, even our conversations, what I learned from you and what you learned from me, hopefully that's part of life's experience. There's no line between his date and you talking to him. It's the same part of life. You know what I mean? Some people need visual, auditory reference. Someone needs a dominant. I do think that life needs to be experienced in order for you to.
Eldar [00:51:59]:
I agree.
Vemir [00:52:00]:
I don't think there's a dichotomy here.
Eldar [00:52:02]:
I'm just saying that my argument is that in this specific example of Mike's is that I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure if he actually had to in order to learn anything.
Mike [00:52:11]:
What about swimming or comedy? A huge part of life. Do you think life is experience, but to learn from experience is not necessary.
Vemir [00:52:18]:
Well, that requires introspection.
Eldar [00:52:20]:
No, I think that in his example, vamir, in order to be in a relationship, you have to think, in a good relationship, you have to think, of course. Okay.
Vemir [00:52:32]:
Especially relationship with yourself.
Mike [00:52:34]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:52:34]:
In order to be a good swimmer, you have to swim. It's a different thing. It's a different concept.
Phillip [00:52:41]:
Yeah, but if you don't know how many people are just naturally gifted, where you just drop them in the water, unless they're a fish and out of their natural habitat, if you drop them.
Eldar [00:52:49]:
In the water, you still have to give technique.
Mike [00:52:51]:
Okay.
Phillip [00:52:51]:
But I think that if you have to train in technique, I think there is that for comedy. There is that for an actor. I think you'd have to then be given the right tools, train, and then I think you'll know, based off of a certain cadence or saying something a certain way, I think a really good comedian would be able to tell you that. I practiced x amount of seconds, and I know the delivery based off of this. When I hold a microphone, I wait for the audience to say, to stop clapping, and then I start maybe a second after. Yeah, I think they can break things down to a second.
Mike [00:53:23]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [00:53:24]:
I think it's extremely logical. I don't think they go to seeing, like, I'm going to take a risk right now, see if everybody's going to laugh. I think that they know where people are going to laugh.
Eldar [00:53:33]:
Unless you didn't practice. And you can bomb it completely because you didn't practice.
Anatoliy [00:53:36]:
But then that would also then make sense, right? People who are good at what they do. I think it's an extremely logical calculator. You understand the audience, you understand what's going on in the world. You understand what people find funny. You understand how to properly deliver it.
Eldar [00:53:59]:
Vermeer, it's hard to map out.
Vemir [00:54:01]:
Let me give you a new framework.
Eldar [00:54:02]:
However, even if you're freestyling the shit, those motherfuckers are well versed.
Vemir [00:54:08]:
You got to know the rules to break them. But we're saying obvious things like, same with this. I can give you this code book on how to date women, but you will go in the same nervous kid you were when I started talking to you. So you have to, through experience, integrate your wisdom.
Eldar [00:54:28]:
No, I think there's definite value in experience. I'm just not sure if it's a learning, it's an integration.
Vemir [00:54:34]:
Yes, maybe that's the right word.
Eldar [00:54:36]:
You know what I'm saying? It is integration. But what does it actually do? What did it do for Mike?
Vemir [00:54:43]:
When you integrate, you confirm wisdoms to be true.
Eldar [00:54:46]:
Confirm wisdoms to be true, which were.
Vemir [00:54:48]:
Already true, but you don't understand.
Eldar [00:54:52]:
The confirmation is for who.
Vemir [00:54:54]:
There's that new age spirituality, which is like, God created the universe so that he could experience him through himself, through what he's not. So we're all playing out the characters of the play just to see all the permutations of what we're doing. And then we'll come back and realize that we are God's open heart center and we are the universe, and we'll return and reincarnate, and then the cycle, whatever. So that concept, that extremely high level concept, is to say that we're experiencing as humans now, to experience Christ consciousness or meditation, eventually wisdom. So you have to go through all that shit, right? Yeah, that seems like the highest level way I can describe it. What you're saying is like, if you already knew it, of course we already know inside of us who we are. But through the process, you're going to become that original sense. You can't go back after a certain point.
Vemir [00:55:51]:
He's never going to. Yeah, I agree with you, but there's that little thing there. You get the wisdom, you're halfway there. Then you experience it to confirm it's true.
Eldar [00:56:00]:
Then your arrogance or your pride says otherwise. You're going to have to go learn.
Vemir [00:56:05]:
You have to kill that until it.
Eldar [00:56:06]:
Has no going through experience again and.
Vemir [00:56:09]:
Again and again, like a simple framework for it.
Mike [00:56:12]:
Yeah, Mike, it sounds like you're not saying anything.
Mike [00:56:17]:
I'm just saying I'm just pretty dumb. That's it.
Mike [00:56:20]:
What's the problem? Yeah. It's not a problem, but extremely humble. No.
Eldar [00:56:26]:
Is it humbling?
Mike [00:56:26]:
No.
Mike [00:56:27]:
Why?
Eldar [00:56:27]:
You're posing very stupid questions.
Mike [00:56:30]:
No, not really.
Tommy [00:56:31]:
Wait, I have a question.
Mike [00:56:32]:
Why?
Eldar [00:56:32]:
Starting simple question. Yeah, okay, fine.
Tommy [00:56:36]:
What was the outcome of this date.
Vemir [00:56:38]:
That you came out? Outcome?
Tommy [00:56:41]:
You married her for the idea that, you know is what you want to avoid.
Mike [00:56:46]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:56:48]:
Wait.
Tommy [00:56:48]:
You married the idea that you.
Mike [00:56:50]:
Calm down, guys.
Tommy [00:56:51]:
That you want to avoid people like that.
Vemir [00:56:52]:
What was the outcome?
Mike [00:56:53]:
The outcome was I realized that I'm a guy that likes those kind of girls.
Vemir [00:56:59]:
No.
Mike [00:56:59]:
Whoa.
Vemir [00:57:00]:
This is solidifying your lower self.
Tommy [00:57:03]:
The kind of girls who explain.
Mike [00:57:05]:
Who look this kind of way. Who cares about what kind of way.
Vemir [00:57:08]:
I'm the kind of guy that likes these girls.
Mike [00:57:11]:
But he knows.
Tommy [00:57:12]:
I mean, maybe this could help.
Eldar [00:57:13]:
No, I know who to avoid. To realize that Phil knows all the time. This is who he was.
Vemir [00:57:18]:
He was that guy.
Eldar [00:57:19]:
You're not that guy. Why not?
Vemir [00:57:22]:
He realizes it's not serving anybody.
Mike [00:57:25]:
Yeah, but how do you know that he doesn't like those type of girls?
Eldar [00:57:28]:
You just told me you lost, right?
Mike [00:57:30]:
I didn't want to hang out with her.
Tommy [00:57:32]:
So if this girl could have fixed something in her life, that's one thing.
Eldar [00:57:38]:
What about she could have fixed.
Tommy [00:57:40]:
What's the one thing?
Eldar [00:57:41]:
That cloggage.
Mike [00:57:42]:
If I would have put my corn in her cock.
Vemir [00:57:44]:
Clear the pipes. Clear the pipe.
Tommy [00:57:46]:
Hold 1 second.
Mike [00:57:47]:
Because if.
Tommy [00:57:47]:
Okay, let's imagine her as your girlfriend.
Eldar [00:57:51]:
They wouldn't be able to get a dick up.
Tommy [00:57:52]:
Let's imagine. Let's imagine this girl.
Eldar [00:57:55]:
Tom, you have to scream louder. I don't hear anything you're saying. Vamir.
Vemir [00:57:58]:
Sorry. No, go ahead. I was interrupting.
Tommy [00:58:00]:
I'm saying, let's imagine this girl as like another one of the friend circle.
Anatoliy [00:58:03]:
Right?
Tommy [00:58:06]:
Why or would they not fit? Why would they fit or why would they not fit?
Mike [00:58:11]:
She would never show up here.
Mike [00:58:12]:
There's nothing for her here. Okay.
Vemir [00:58:14]:
She would find this boring.
Tommy [00:58:15]:
And how would they be like around us?
Eldar [00:58:17]:
Are you crazy?
Mike [00:58:18]:
Kind of person.
Vemir [00:58:18]:
That girl.
Mike [00:58:19]:
What's happening?
Eldar [00:58:20]:
She would find this offensive.
Mike [00:58:24]:
Why?
Vemir [00:58:24]:
Are you correct?
Eldar [00:58:25]:
No, because that's the truth of the matter.
Vemir [00:58:27]:
She would find it offensive.
Eldar [00:58:30]:
I think it's interesting she's being scolded here, bro.
Vemir [00:58:34]:
This is all. No, the topic about her would be offensive.
Eldar [00:58:37]:
I'm talking about the.
Vemir [00:58:39]:
She wouldn't see the value made understand it.
Tommy [00:58:43]:
We treat unknowns a little bit differently.
Mike [00:58:45]:
Tell them send it.
Mike [00:58:46]:
Okay.
Eldar [00:58:46]:
Feel me?
Tommy [00:58:47]:
Like people we don't know, people who are strangers to us. We treat them a little bit differently when we shouldn't. Like minded people.
Eldar [00:58:55]:
Exactly.
Phillip [00:58:57]:
I got the solution. This has happened way too many times with Tom. Every time the girl is Tom just.
Mike [00:59:01]:
Wants to fuck to go to a strip club. It's over.
Vemir [00:59:04]:
Shall we break?
Phillip [00:59:06]:
Tom has to go to a strip club 100%.
Eldar [00:59:08]:
We got to take him with you.
Mike [00:59:10]:
He's way too horny.
Eldar [00:59:11]:
Yes, totally. We need to go get $100 and.
Mike [00:59:14]:
Give him one dollars bills, slapping him.
Phillip [00:59:17]:
In the face with their ass like.
Anatoliy [00:59:19]:
But bring them to a library.
Mike [00:59:22]:
What do you say?
Eldar [00:59:23]:
But bring them to a library. Oh my. She has to dance with a book.
Anatoliy [00:59:28]:
With a book in her hand.
Vemir [00:59:30]:
Mike, can you make that happen in pass librarian outfit?
Eldar [00:59:32]:
Probably. Look, Mike can do it. He can donate $100. We can bring our book, make a book.
Anatoliy [00:59:38]:
A makeshift library.
Eldar [00:59:39]:
I have a lot of books over there. Is there a case on sales? This is the best philosophy club ever. Tom, you need to calm down, bro.
Tommy [00:59:48]:
Okay, my bad.
Eldar [00:59:48]:
Should be frustrated.
Tommy [00:59:49]:
Hold on, hold on.
Mike [00:59:50]:
Tom, you have to.
Tommy [00:59:51]:
Why are you trying to throw me off kilter?
Eldar [00:59:53]:
I'm trying to help you.
Mike [00:59:54]:
He's trying to help.
Eldar [00:59:55]:
Phil's right.
Mike [00:59:56]:
Yeah, he's trying to help you.
Tommy [00:59:57]:
I lost my thought now.
Eldar [00:59:58]:
Yeah, good, he helped you. You were saying?
Mike [01:00:02]:
Absolutely nothing, Tom, you want to see her pictures? You want to see her pictures?
Eldar [01:00:04]:
Listen, Tom cares. Let me finish what I was saying. Tom, you were about to go on a tangent. Nothing. And Philip.
Mike [01:00:17]:
What?
Eldar [01:00:20]:
Yo, this guy is a greedy piece of shit. This guy's level one stomach is rumbling. I wasn't going to eat them both, but you guys keep interrupting me.
Vemir [01:00:29]:
It's already half done by. I got these donuts specifically to make.
Tommy [01:00:32]:
You guys feel guilt.
Eldar [01:00:33]:
Holy shit, Tom, you trying to teach us lessons? I feel bad. You agree?
Anatoliy [01:00:37]:
If there's a third one in there.
Vemir [01:00:38]:
Podcast over there is a third one in there.
Eldar [01:00:41]:
That bag looks heck out of heavy, bro.
Vemir [01:00:43]:
That bag is not empty. I picture one of those empty.
Mike [01:00:46]:
No, there ain't empty.
Phillip [01:00:49]:
It's definitely one of those never ending.
Eldar [01:00:53]:
When Dennis sat down on the fucking on the staircase and ate his chinese sandwich, I didn't want to go in because you guys wouldn't ask me for something.
Mike [01:01:00]:
Holy. What? Wow.
Mike [01:01:02]:
Yo, do you really know when you said that the Dennis can edit his pocket and hear this?
Eldar [01:01:06]:
You know what? Now that you mentioned this, you know.
Mike [01:01:10]:
What I'm bad about this.
Eldar [01:01:11]:
I don't give a fuck, bro.
Phillip [01:01:14]:
What kind of sandwich was it?
Mike [01:01:16]:
It was a good sandwich.
Eldar [01:01:17]:
It was a good sandwich. You would sit on the fucking staircase in the hallway and totally confronted him. Like, yo, what are you doing? Like, you park your car. We saw that you parked the car, and then you take 15 minutes to get inside the office. Like, what are you doing? He's like, oh, I'm eating the sandwich on the staircase so he doesn't. He doesn't have to share with us. My boy right there, he's a real g. You understand?
Vemir [01:01:37]:
A real g. A real saving.
Mike [01:01:39]:
My real one.
Tommy [01:01:40]:
Yeah, I don't know, guys.
Mike [01:01:42]:
That's funny.
Tommy [01:01:43]:
Look, I'll admit.
Eldar [01:01:45]:
How about all the shooting? Eating all those fucking. The chicken, bro.
Mike [01:01:48]:
Remember?
Eldar [01:01:49]:
Totally. Also confronted him, right? We had the chicken. We made all the salads and everything. We sit down, we go one at a time, eat the chicken. Fucking breast, right? Oleg, pull up house in, like, three at a time. Totally. Yo, you didn't even finish the first one. Why are you doing this? I want to make sure I get enough.
Mike [01:02:04]:
Oh, man.
Mike [01:02:04]:
Oh, yeah.
Phillip [01:02:05]:
These people don't cut apples in the forest. Like, they eat the whole thing by themselves.
Eldar [01:02:09]:
Out of control.
Mike [01:02:10]:
Yeah, they wouldn't share.
Anatoliy [01:02:11]:
They would eat 90% of it and then cut up the 10% in forest.
Eldar [01:02:14]:
What's going on here?
Mike [01:02:16]:
Oh, my God.
Mike [01:02:17]:
Sharing.
Eldar [01:02:20]:
Listen, what it says, tom, is I'm.
Tommy [01:02:21]:
Trying to hoard this information for myself too.
Eldar [01:02:23]:
Tom, everything that I just said points to the fact that you're still deprived. That you hid that fucking bagel inside your fucking bag when other people are hungry.
Tommy [01:02:34]:
Why am I deprived?
Eldar [01:02:35]:
You're deprived because you can't.
Mike [01:02:37]:
Because you can't share this person.
Mike [01:02:39]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:02:39]:
You're a selfish prick, and we completely understand that. And we are accepting of it 100%.
Tommy [01:02:46]:
Guys, I had a stomachache. I wanted to eat something sweet.
Eldar [01:02:50]:
That's exactly where I ate some disgusting sweet.
Mike [01:02:54]:
That's bullshit, Tom. But I appreciate you lying to us. At least you could lie to our faces.
Mike [01:02:57]:
Yes.
Tommy [01:02:58]:
Okay, it was a little nauseous feeling.
Anatoliy [01:02:59]:
I do appreciate. Make a good lie.
Mike [01:03:02]:
I love a good liar, especially if it's in my face.
Mike [01:03:04]:
Tom.
Eldar [01:03:05]:
I love it. I'll love it. The more you lie, the better I feel.
Tommy [01:03:08]:
No, I'm serious. I ate sardines, and they were disgusting.
Vemir [01:03:10]:
Eat your beans with every meal.
Tommy [01:03:12]:
All right, let me finish.
Eldar [01:03:13]:
Yeah, all right, Tom, you had a point.
Tommy [01:03:15]:
I had this idea, right?
Vemir [01:03:16]:
You have a point on your head.
Tommy [01:03:17]:
Of when you come together with somebody, when two people meet and you want to just kind of like.
Vemir [01:03:23]:
You want to fuck.
Eldar [01:03:25]:
You experience the good in each dipstick in there.
Tommy [01:03:27]:
You experience the good in each other.
Eldar [01:03:29]:
Okay.
Mike [01:03:29]:
You know what I mean?
Vemir [01:03:30]:
So you bring out the best in her.
Tommy [01:03:32]:
I'm saying some people, they're not speaking on the same wavelength as you. If that's the case, I don't know. You can potentially see somebody as somebody who you trust and somebody who you could actually enjoy being around, who's just as good as a friend to you. But why can't we put ourselves in that with certain people? I think that's because we don't have control over what happens around us.
Eldar [01:03:57]:
I'm going to save you from what totally was going to say.
Tommy [01:04:02]:
You know, I struck a chord there. You know, I got to some truth.
Eldar [01:04:06]:
There, but I don't understand what you said just now.
Anatoliy [01:04:10]:
I'm going to play a clip that's going to be from everybody here.
Phillip [01:04:16]:
Mr. Madison.
Eldar [01:04:17]:
Put it to the microphone is one.
Anatoliy [01:04:20]:
Of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard.
Tommy [01:04:23]:
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Phillip [01:04:33]:
Everyone in this room is now dumber.
Eldar [01:04:36]:
For having listened to it.
Tommy [01:04:38]:
I award you no points.
Eldar [01:04:41]:
What? And may God have mercy on yourself.
Tommy [01:04:49]:
I've got a rational question.
Eldar [01:04:50]:
The good thing is you're part of aldoism, and we're going to get you out of that.
Tommy [01:04:54]:
There's a rational question in my mind about this.
Eldar [01:04:56]:
Okay, what the fuck is.
Mike [01:04:58]:
Where's my donut?
Eldar [01:05:00]:
I'm going to tell you right now, to answer your question, to take off your shoes and go into your room. Porquois?
Tommy [01:05:04]:
Why does he suffer every.
Vemir [01:05:06]:
Because in romance, it's very dangerous.
Tommy [01:05:08]:
I didn't even ask the question. I didn't even ask the question.
Eldar [01:05:11]:
I heard.
Vemir [01:05:11]:
Because I heard the subjects of your whole suffers.
Eldar [01:05:15]:
It's completely every date, every wedding, every date.
Tommy [01:05:18]:
Why does he suffer?
Mike [01:05:19]:
Because I didn't suffer.
Mike [01:05:21]:
Wait.
Eldar [01:05:21]:
Why are you making that assumption?
Mike [01:05:23]:
I had a great time.
Mike [01:05:24]:
Wait.
Eldar [01:05:25]:
What?
Vemir [01:05:25]:
That's the question I waited for. I don't know what you're talking about, my friend. That's the question I waited for. Why does he suffer every date? It's not what you're asking.
Eldar [01:05:33]:
He's not suffering.
Vemir [01:05:34]:
You're asking, well, why can't we just see the good in each other? Why can't we help other people rise to higher levels? It's because in a romantic relationship, that could be extremely dangerous. Someone is not conscious, they can harm you.
Mike [01:05:46]:
I'm sure.
Tommy [01:05:46]:
If I'm asking about rising to higher.
Vemir [01:05:49]:
Levels, I think saying, like, you're going.
Mike [01:05:53]:
To this woman's perspective, right?
Vemir [01:05:55]:
This person on the other side.
Tommy [01:05:57]:
No.
Vemir [01:05:58]:
Three of your questions have been that.
Mike [01:05:59]:
I don't think I suffered here at all. It was a great experience.
Eldar [01:06:02]:
Yeah, Tom, what are you talking about?
Tommy [01:06:04]:
Tom, it was a great experience.
Mike [01:06:05]:
Okay.
Eldar [01:06:06]:
It was a great experience, Tom.
Vemir [01:06:08]:
It was bittersweet.
Eldar [01:06:09]:
An epiphany, bro.
Mike [01:06:10]:
One of the greatest experience I've had. That's why I was like, yo, yeah, I want to do this again.
Eldar [01:06:14]:
Yes.
Mike [01:06:14]:
But I'm not sure if I need to go back in. Into these dates and going out again or I can learn more stuff. Just like, in theory, I would say.
Vemir [01:06:22]:
You need to go towards girls who.
Mike [01:06:24]:
Are at your level.
Mike [01:06:26]:
But the level is a match.
Eldar [01:06:28]:
The level is unlimited here.
Mike [01:06:29]:
There's no possibility.
Vemir [01:06:30]:
What I'm saying, you could do whatever you want.
Mike [01:06:34]:
Stop wanking in the corner.
Eldar [01:06:37]:
Stop wanking in the corner.
Vemir [01:06:39]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:06:40]:
Mike, go fuck shit up. I've been telling you, you walk around.
Vemir [01:06:42]:
The highest level woman, find 100%. This is empowering. You're coming back to that a lot, especially for romance. I would say you should help people who are struggling, but it's like, for dating now. You've opened up your thing to high value women who are considerate, compassionate and hot.
Eldar [01:07:04]:
Yeah.
Vemir [01:07:05]:
Intellectuals. You can have it all, baby.
Mike [01:07:07]:
Whatever.
Vemir [01:07:08]:
Why not, man?
Mike [01:07:09]:
Right?
Eldar [01:07:09]:
Why not?
Vemir [01:07:10]:
We used to think we're limited. I have to compromise.
Mike [01:07:13]:
No, no. Plus, I got big nuts, yo.
Eldar [01:07:16]:
The ostrich eggs that he has, bro. Ostrich eggs. I have to charge him real estate money here for coming.
Vemir [01:07:22]:
That's why the couch is a little.
Eldar [01:07:27]:
Fuck. Why is Phil fucking smirking?
Vemir [01:07:30]:
Tesla got the load.
Eldar [01:07:31]:
Ostrich eggs, bro. In there, bro.
Vemir [01:07:33]:
What the fuck you shoot across?
Eldar [01:07:35]:
He hasn't drained those things properly in a long time.
Vemir [01:07:38]:
Now we're talking about retention.
Mike [01:07:41]:
He's a freak.
Eldar [01:07:43]:
Tom, why you look like a fucking creep, bro, right now, right, Tom, put.
Vemir [01:07:47]:
Those bangs over your eyes.
Phillip [01:07:48]:
If that girl is here right now and Mike said, like, everybody get out.
Eldar [01:07:51]:
I think she needs to get drowned.
Phillip [01:07:54]:
I think Tommy would.
Vemir [01:07:54]:
Oh, my God, man.
Phillip [01:07:57]:
Do you think Tommy would.
Mike [01:07:58]:
Tommy would like to stay. He would like me to leave so he can stay.
Eldar [01:08:02]:
Tommy will pick up the pieces.
Mike [01:08:05]:
Tommy is our nibbler. He's our nibbler.
Eldar [01:08:09]:
Not just for food, but damn.
Vemir [01:08:11]:
You just reversed that donut thing on him.
Eldar [01:08:15]:
You think you had the upper hand?
Vemir [01:08:17]:
You're all in nibblers.
Eldar [01:08:22]:
Mike. You haven't said anything, Mike. Either you take your statement back, you revise it, or you fucking say something better.
Phillip [01:08:28]:
Who's the guy on porn? That's like the bar back that cleans the come off.
Eldar [01:08:35]:
Oh, my God. Right?
Mike [01:08:38]:
You know that role? The Fluffer? Yeah, that one. The guy who, before he does the action? Yes, there's an action.
Vemir [01:08:45]:
No, there's girls who are fluffers. Imagine if your daughter was a fluffer.
Phillip [01:08:50]:
Horny before.
Anatoliy [01:08:52]:
Keeps your dick hard between scenes.
Mike [01:08:58]:
No.
Vemir [01:08:58]:
Where a girl blows. Can you imagine someone, you know who you respect their job as a fluffer to keep someone hard.
Phillip [01:09:06]:
But I think that's a good way to be in front of naked people without having to then engage 100%.
Eldar [01:09:11]:
I'm just saying there's a possibility.
Vemir [01:09:12]:
I love the deeply rational voice.
Eldar [01:09:15]:
You see what they're saying? They're saying that you're so fucking arrogant. This one you get for a donut fluffer.
Tommy [01:09:24]:
Arrogant?
Vemir [01:09:24]:
No, that's experience.
Eldar [01:09:26]:
You will learn. You have to jerk somebody else's dick to get them.
Vemir [01:09:34]:
Use the whole of the donut. I'm not like glazed donuts.
Tommy [01:09:39]:
I'm not chasing any pleasures.
Eldar [01:09:42]:
What do you even say?
Tommy [01:09:46]:
I'm not logging for anybody.
Eldar [01:09:48]:
Yeah.
Tommy [01:09:49]:
I'm perfectly happy with who I am. I love myself, and I'm not looking to get attached.
Mike [01:09:55]:
No.
Mike [01:10:00]:
Why is he defending himself, though?
Eldar [01:10:05]:
Let me ask you this.
Tommy [01:10:06]:
Is it right to deprive somebody the knowledge that they could of dating right now? Isn't that wrong?
Eldar [01:10:13]:
Isn't that wrong? You try to move the goalposts, bro. Guys, come on. You're letting someone remain out your true passion and your career path.
Tommy [01:10:20]:
You're letting me remain ignorant when I can be learning from this stupidity. Stupidity that you're fucking painting here.
Eldar [01:10:28]:
Wifi, Mike.
Mike [01:10:29]:
No shit.
Eldar [01:10:30]:
He's not buying.
Mike [01:10:30]:
Really thinks.
Eldar [01:10:31]:
What is he holding?
Tommy [01:10:32]:
Come on, guys. I think about love sometimes. And so for me to fucking be.
Eldar [01:10:36]:
Open about this, I agree. I'm going with Tom. Are you being sarcastic? You're being sarcastic.
Mike [01:10:41]:
Yes, he is.
Tommy [01:10:44]:
Because look, I think of, how do I want. Let me gather my thoughts here for a second. I think of sugar rush. What I want to know.
Eldar [01:10:53]:
Maybe I think of shit.
Tommy [01:11:01]:
I think of, like when I.
Eldar [01:11:05]:
Before we continue this, guys, Tom has been soaking up his knowledge for a very long time. Sure, he's not yet polished, but he is writing a fucking book. And whatever he's doing in that room, the shit out of us. Yeah, you know what? No, no. What I'm saying is that if he conjures everything that he takes into that thing, it could potentially come out good. And we're going to have to ride with it. You know what I'm saying?
Mike [01:11:32]:
So just be careful, Mike, your egos.
Eldar [01:11:34]:
Might be blown on that side.
Mike [01:11:35]:
Be careful because he might be a very important, well written author. One. You don't want to be on his bad side.
Eldar [01:11:41]:
Yeah, you don't want to be on.
Mike [01:11:42]:
His bad side is what I'm saying.
Eldar [01:11:44]:
So, Tom, whatever you were rambling, if you forgot it, it's completely okay with.
Mike [01:11:48]:
Us because we also forgot it.
Eldar [01:11:49]:
Yeah, we forgot what you were because.
Mike [01:11:50]:
It wasn't that important.
Eldar [01:11:51]:
It wasn't probably that important, but if you didn't.
Tommy [01:11:53]:
I'm not going to throw any toys here, but what I'm trying to say is that I do think about how I want a person who is kind of nurturing in a way. I want to think about how I want to be.
Mike [01:12:06]:
Where's the good stuff?
Eldar [01:12:07]:
Oh, shit. Listen to this. What do you say?
Tommy [01:12:09]:
I think about how I want to be loved. And that's not easy to.
Mike [01:12:16]:
It's not easy when you bring in two donuts for detail.
Eldar [01:12:19]:
I don't think it's easy to detail.
Tommy [01:12:20]:
To ourselves because you can walk away with your fucking tail between your legs from a date and basically wait for, you know, where that people wait for people to forget.
Eldar [01:12:32]:
Yeah, wait.
Tommy [01:12:33]:
You know what I mean?
Vemir [01:12:33]:
People to forget that kind of thing. I know, but this is like a little dramatic. What's the, what I'm saying is, want to be loved.
Tommy [01:12:41]:
What I'm saying is that you could experience a period of inactivity after just having a date. That sort of throws you for a loop.
Vemir [01:12:54]:
And you get discouraged that you're not enough.
Tommy [01:12:56]:
Discouraged, not enough.
Mike [01:12:58]:
Right.
Vemir [01:12:58]:
These are all illusions.
Eldar [01:12:59]:
Why?
Vemir [01:13:00]:
If someone rejects you, it's not because you're worthless. How could someone on a first date know you completely enough to reject?
Eldar [01:13:07]:
I'm going to tell you right now. I'm going to tell you right now. I'm going to tell you right now.
Vemir [01:13:09]:
That's a typical mistake.
Eldar [01:13:11]:
No, but I'm going to tell you right now. There's something embodied in each individual.
Mike [01:13:17]:
Each individual, right. Yeah. Which is probably a piece of God, which has a gps and they fucking have it. Okay. That's it.
Vemir [01:13:26]:
And what does that apply to?
Eldar [01:13:27]:
That applies to the fact that when you fucking experience a motherfucker like this.
Mike [01:13:32]:
On a date, you know what the fuck is going on.
Vemir [01:13:35]:
So you're saying that spidey sense 100%.
Mike [01:13:38]:
Yeah.
Vemir [01:13:38]:
Everybody got that spidey sense.
Anatoliy [01:13:40]:
If you're more of a complete individual. You will make a particular type of impression that is long lasting and that.
Vemir [01:13:47]:
Like, you're absolutely right.
Mike [01:13:49]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [01:13:49]:
And if you're an idiot, then you're.
Vemir [01:13:51]:
Going to make no impression again. Can't you frame it as a blessing? You got a hard rejection from something. You want a woman, you don't need it. You want it. Isn't that another? If you're not consumed by your ego, which you likely are, if you feel dejected, shouldn't you find that tension and say, oh, fuck, I have something to learn here, rather than I'm not getting what I want?
Eldar [01:14:16]:
Why do you deserve maybe not tension?
Tommy [01:14:18]:
That person brings all the attention to themselves. They want to be seen as someone who deserves special treatment and convince us that as a woman, all women will be like that. That turns us crazy.
Eldar [01:14:30]:
He needs to be worshipped is what he just said.
Vemir [01:14:32]:
I'm saying, like, this is an ego inflation. Like people.
Eldar [01:14:36]:
No. What's the problem with that?
Mike [01:14:37]:
Mike?
Mike [01:14:38]:
Yeah, I didn't catch what he said.
Eldar [01:14:40]:
He needs to be worshiped.
Mike [01:14:41]:
Why?
Eldar [01:14:42]:
Because that's the only way that's going to get him going.
Tommy [01:14:47]:
If by he you mean the date who we want to avoid.
Mike [01:14:50]:
Yeah.
Vemir [01:14:51]:
See, no, but I'm asking you directly, like, why are you saying that Mike needs that?
Tommy [01:14:56]:
And I say we because I want.
Eldar [01:14:57]:
To learn from Mike.
Mike [01:14:58]:
He just said that.
Phillip [01:14:59]:
The date that he wants to avoid. What does that mean? He's saying the date he wants to avoid.
Eldar [01:15:03]:
Yeah, that thing.
Mike [01:15:05]:
He doesn't want to go with those.
Eldar [01:15:07]:
Girls because that's going to humble him or worship him.
Mike [01:15:10]:
He needs somebody who's going to worship, who's beneath him.
Vemir [01:15:12]:
Can I ask you?
Eldar [01:15:13]:
By far.
Tommy [01:15:14]:
And I fucking agree to that.
Vemir [01:15:16]:
Agree to what?
Tommy [01:15:17]:
And I fucking agree to 100 x. Just said 100 x or 1000 x. Fucking million x.
Mike [01:15:22]:
That.
Eldar [01:15:22]:
What are we talking?
Mike [01:15:22]:
Wow.
Vemir [01:15:23]:
I don't know what we're talking about.
Eldar [01:15:24]:
Mega balls.
Mike [01:15:26]:
Tommy is a God amongst men.
Mike [01:15:28]:
Tom. Yes.
Vemir [01:15:29]:
This is like a character or something.
Eldar [01:15:31]:
Tom.
Mike [01:15:32]:
He's a fucking cartoon, bro.
Vemir [01:15:35]:
I appreciate you asking me that.
Tommy [01:15:40]:
I'm a simulation. Try to wrap your mind around that for a second. I am a simulation.
Vemir [01:15:45]:
Simulation is some computer nerd way of saying that you're unconscious and you try to wake up. Correct. It's like when we say our brain.
Tommy [01:15:52]:
Mike is going through with these dates.
Vemir [01:15:53]:
No, Mike is not going through saying.
Tommy [01:15:56]:
I'm an unconscious individual. Take my soul through my peach colleen.
Vemir [01:16:01]:
The questions he's asking is signaling me certain things. Am I, like, out of the picture?
Mike [01:16:07]:
You might not be seeing things from what they are with him.
Vemir [01:16:10]:
Are you being sarcastic or you really feel like this?
Tommy [01:16:14]:
I mean, I'm just channeling the energy in the room. What can I say?
Vemir [01:16:16]:
Come on.
Mike [01:16:17]:
Now, this.
Tommy [01:16:21]:
I think these are every one of Mike's dates that don't go well is a horror story.
Vemir [01:16:27]:
He didn't even present.
Mike [01:16:28]:
But I didn't even say it's a horror story.
Tommy [01:16:30]:
But this one you said went all right. Even though you're not going to continue. You're not going to go on with.
Vemir [01:16:35]:
This one, are you?
Mike [01:16:35]:
All the days go great. As long as I can do the two finger move, I'm good to go.
Eldar [01:16:39]:
You can drop. Drop it.
Mike [01:16:40]:
Drop it?
Eldar [01:16:41]:
Yeah. Show for me what that means.
Mike [01:16:44]:
I can't do it right now.
Tommy [01:16:45]:
I like Tom.
Eldar [01:16:45]:
Okay, two finger move.
Mike [01:16:50]:
It's when you use two fingers on your schwazzle. And you point it down and you dip it.
Eldar [01:16:59]:
You got to dip it horizontally.
Tommy [01:17:03]:
He's right.
Mike [01:17:04]:
He's right. Yeah, you're just doing like a vertical drop, like. Yeah, you're just bouncing.
Eldar [01:17:08]:
We haven't even introduced you to the scorpion.
Vemir [01:17:12]:
Is there a demonstration?
Eldar [01:17:13]:
There is, but listen, we got to level up to that.
Tommy [01:17:16]:
Tom, you said absolutely no, listen, I'm not saying anything.
Vemir [01:17:20]:
He's not saying no. You're not saying anything.
Eldar [01:17:25]:
Mike, what do we have here?
Vemir [01:17:27]:
I'm not ganging up on you, either. I'm trying to go directly, like. You're avoiding my questions. Nobody else is avoiding my questions.
Tommy [01:17:34]:
I didn't hear a question.
Vemir [01:17:35]:
What are you lying to yourself about? Romantic. Oh, shit.
Tommy [01:17:41]:
That's a decent question.
Mike [01:17:43]:
Why is Phil so upset about the.
Mike [01:17:44]:
Question.
Mike [01:17:48]:
He'S going to pass on your attorney?
Eldar [01:17:50]:
I'm going to phone a friend.
Anatoliy [01:17:52]:
Yeah, I don't think that's an answerable question right now.
Eldar [01:17:55]:
Yeah, it's not. Yes, it is.
Vemir [01:17:58]:
The reason why hesitate is because he knows the answer.
Mike [01:18:01]:
Oh, shit. He doesn't want to say it. He's going to spray it.
Eldar [01:18:03]:
Wow. If I make it. Get him out of this.
Tommy [01:18:05]:
Michelle, I think I am kind of confident in knowing that being single for me is right right now.
Mike [01:18:14]:
Fair enough.
Tommy [01:18:14]:
I'm not looking to start a relationship.
Vemir [01:18:18]:
What's the reason? Why?
Mike [01:18:19]:
May I ask why?
Vemir [01:18:22]:
Because that's not the why for me, at this point. That's not the why.
Tommy [01:18:27]:
Yeah, it is because for me, at.
Vemir [01:18:29]:
This point, that's the action.
Mike [01:18:30]:
Better.
Vemir [01:18:31]:
That's the what I'm saying. Why, if I may ask why?
Eldar [01:18:34]:
Why is it better?
Vemir [01:18:36]:
What have you been?
Tommy [01:18:37]:
I feel more comfortable pursuing my dreams right now than pursuing a relationship that would require me to share my time with pursuing my dreams. And that sounds very cliche.
Mike [01:18:55]:
That's pretty deep.
Tommy [01:18:56]:
It's a matter of the work that I put into what I believe in right now that strengthens me, that I would like to see be the number one responsibility that I have with my time.
Vemir [01:19:10]:
So you see women as a distraction?
Tommy [01:19:12]:
No, absolutely not.
Vemir [01:19:14]:
Why wouldn't they be a positive addition to your life?
Eldar [01:19:17]:
That's because women as women.
Vemir [01:19:20]:
You see women as women.
Mike [01:19:21]:
Everything is very simple.
Eldar [01:19:23]:
Exactly.
Vemir [01:19:23]:
For who they are.
Mike [01:19:24]:
Everything's very simple.
Tommy [01:19:25]:
I see everybody for who they are.
Vemir [01:19:26]:
I try actually see everybody for who they are. I don't even see everybody.
Tommy [01:19:30]:
One of the first things that I thought about, whatever, this date, when you go on a date, I think go into any relationship or. Sorry. Go into any interaction or encounter with people with certain principles. Stand by your values, stand behind your values. You know what I mean? And try to be a virtuous person. Just live with certain.
Eldar [01:19:56]:
He's not saying anything.
Tommy [01:19:56]:
Principles. What I'm saying is my intentions might not be the number one.
Eldar [01:20:03]:
The more confusing it is he's accomplishing the goal.
Tommy [01:20:06]:
My intentions, in any respect, won't have to be the most important things. I think it's always good to step back a bit and to just allow sometimes for the conversation to flow from the other person.
Vemir [01:20:23]:
You don't know what comes at once. You're saying that you don't know what's.
Tommy [01:20:27]:
On the other end of something. You go on a date, that person might end up being your friend, such as what happened to me once, who influenced me and helped me get on this journey when I fucked her over.
Mike [01:20:37]:
Wait, I don't understand.
Tommy [01:20:38]:
Yeah, what I'm saying is.
Vemir [01:20:40]:
But I'm saying, like, when you go, sometimes you're wrong.
Tommy [01:20:43]:
We make mistakes. This is a perfect example. As I was wrong, I made a mistake. I apologize. And I was given an opportunity to have a friend in my life who helped guide me.
Vemir [01:20:54]:
You're pursuing this person romantically.
Tommy [01:20:56]:
It doesn't matter who you're talking to, a train conductor, your uber driver. It doesn't matter if you are just taking a silent moment to yourself, just knowing. And you say meditation brings you to this kind of level of awareness, a certain awareness of what's outside and a certain attention to what you yourself are and then allowing that to emerge from you. But you're saying your ability to think in otherwise unconscious, kind of like lingering.
Vemir [01:21:30]:
You're not at the level of awareness to be able to go in with clear intentions to get the outcome that you want whole.
Tommy [01:21:37]:
Not at this point in time. Looking for somebody? No, I'm not searching for a romantic other to share my life with because the romantic other that I imagine, that's.
Eldar [01:21:47]:
What he's hiding behind.
Vemir [01:21:49]:
So are you trying to upgrade yourself so you're more attractive by focusing on your goals?
Tommy [01:21:58]:
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.
Vemir [01:22:00]:
And then ask if there's nothing wrong with that.
Tommy [01:22:04]:
That would be valid. Yeah, I just said that would be valid.
Vemir [01:22:08]:
No, I'm saying the direct question is, like, why isn't romance a part of your life? You feel like you're not enough to jump in yet.
Tommy [01:22:19]:
I want to feel that I am enough to jump in.
Vemir [01:22:23]:
Feeling never comes.
Tommy [01:22:24]:
I'm not looking. That's the point. Relationships are relationships.
Vemir [01:22:28]:
Sounds like work is work.
Tommy [01:22:30]:
I don't want to share a relationship with work right now because I'm kind of at an early stage of starting a creative path.
Vemir [01:22:37]:
You want to build career capital, business.
Mike [01:22:39]:
Yeah. Was it.
Eldar [01:22:40]:
He's building a business. He's busy.
Vemir [01:22:44]:
Okay, so it sounds like you want to hyper focus everything on building your career so you have a solid sense of identity. But how does this translate to romance?
Eldar [01:22:53]:
How is that going to make.
Tommy [01:22:54]:
Hold on, could you repeat that again? You want something about identity.
Mike [01:22:58]:
You want to build up your career.
Tommy [01:23:00]:
Do I want to build up my career?
Vemir [01:23:01]:
You want to focus on your goals and whatever trajectory you have as a writer. Otherwise, this builds up what? Confidence that you can.
Eldar [01:23:09]:
Is there a reason why you look like a guy from the fucking.
Mike [01:23:11]:
No.
Eldar [01:23:12]:
The Pirates of the Caribbean.
Mike [01:23:13]:
The fucking guy with all the fucking. The squid on his head.
Anatoliy [01:23:16]:
They can say the guy from life is life.
Mike [01:23:22]:
That guy, right.
Anatoliy [01:23:24]:
The squid.
Vemir [01:23:25]:
Are you avoiding anything? I don't know the reference.
Eldar [01:23:31]:
You don't know the Pirates of the Caribbean?
Mike [01:23:33]:
He's like one of the main characters.
Anatoliy [01:23:35]:
I got more muscles.
Eldar [01:23:41]:
I don't get it.
Anatoliy [01:23:42]:
I don't get the pirate in the Caribbean.
Vemir [01:23:47]:
I thought he was of Tom.
Eldar [01:23:49]:
You're going deep with this.
Vemir [01:23:50]:
Okay, but, Tom, my question is, it sounds to me like avoidance.
Eldar [01:23:54]:
Can you explain what's happening here?
Tommy [01:23:55]:
Had a sort of negative connotation because.
Eldar [01:24:00]:
For example. Yeah, that guy, in a few minutes, you'll get it. Give it some time.
Mike [01:24:14]:
Here.
Tommy [01:24:14]:
I know, I'm just saying, like, this line of questioning. I would rather talk about.
Eldar [01:24:20]:
What?
Anatoliy [01:24:21]:
Don't let him impose.
Vemir [01:24:23]:
You just cut out any politeness too.
Eldar [01:24:26]:
Mike, can you do me a favor? Can you piss for me as well?
Vemir [01:24:28]:
It's not fake to be polite. Isn't it a sign of respect?
Eldar [01:24:34]:
Give me a fucking mean.
Vemir [01:24:36]:
It doesn't feel right when I say.
Tommy [01:24:37]:
Eldar, impart some wisdom, dude.
Vemir [01:24:39]:
No, Tom, I'm not saying anything wisdom about.
Eldar [01:24:41]:
I have your back all the time.
Tommy [01:24:42]:
About meeting the right person.
Eldar [01:24:44]:
I go to war for you, bro. But Eldar, community college for you. I went to war. I don't understand what you're saying.
Vemir [01:24:49]:
I can't do it this time with that guy sitting here the 6 hours I learned.
Eldar [01:24:54]:
My bad.
Vemir [01:24:55]:
So I'm saying, tom, that's your cousin, right? I can't do this circular thing.
Eldar [01:25:00]:
He's trying to eradicate your kind.
Tommy [01:25:02]:
Well, you asked me if it's about confidence.
Vemir [01:25:05]:
No, it's not about confidence.
Eldar [01:25:07]:
Thank you.
Tommy [01:25:08]:
That's what you asked. You said, are you doing this for confidence?
Eldar [01:25:10]:
What the fuck?
Mike [01:25:11]:
I can't do.
Tommy [01:25:14]:
Vermeer. Did you not say that, by the way? Did I say it right? Vamir, how do you spell Vineervxyz?
Vemir [01:25:25]:
Sorry, what's your question?
Tommy [01:25:28]:
I just asked you, how do you spell your name?
Vemir [01:25:29]:
No, I'm saying like, beyond the group perception right now and all that. How the room feels and stuff. My question is like with.
Eldar [01:25:38]:
It's impossible to jump over, man. The room has. It's a fucking gravity, bro.
Mike [01:25:46]:
Okay.
Vemir [01:25:47]:
It's heavy. My thing I'm trying to sneak in here is like I'm sensing something I did and I want to see if you're sensing what are you hiding it?
Tommy [01:25:57]:
You can recall I just said, no.
Vemir [01:25:59]:
It'S not a person. Litigation, trial.
Tommy [01:26:02]:
I want to have your answer with the person who I meet.
Mike [01:26:05]:
You got to tell the court.
Tommy [01:26:06]:
This person is going to love me the way I want to be loved.
Vemir [01:26:09]:
What does that mean right there? This person is going to love.
Mike [01:26:12]:
Sounds good.
Vemir [01:26:12]:
The way I want to be loved. That means nothing thing, by the way.
Eldar [01:26:15]:
It means nothing.
Mike [01:26:16]:
It just sounds good.
Eldar [01:26:17]:
Guys.
Tommy [01:26:20]:
Kind of temporary. They cannot possibly vanity pet peeves. Like, I think about all these things.
Eldar [01:26:27]:
Do you think those expectations are high or. Dog?
Mike [01:26:31]:
Yeah, Philip.
Eldar [01:26:32]:
He needs a dog, right?
Mike [01:26:32]:
Or a cat.
Tommy [01:26:33]:
What else?
Eldar [01:26:34]:
Availability.
Tommy [01:26:35]:
Like how available they are.
Eldar [01:26:36]:
Yeah, dog and a cat.
Tommy [01:26:38]:
All that plays a role. And where does that come from? Well, it comes from the kind of person you think you know.
Vemir [01:26:43]:
Because that means that you have to be a great explainer of who you are. You have to know yourself well to communicate it to the other woman. About your pet peeve, as I explained. But do you know yourself that deeply, creatively? I'm learning about yourself.
Mike [01:26:58]:
He doesn't identify with a gender.
Eldar [01:26:59]:
Tommy's hobby is to confuse people.
Vemir [01:27:02]:
I can't be wavered. I'm locked in right now, baby, you.
Anatoliy [01:27:06]:
Are trying to take black paint.
Mike [01:27:08]:
Yeah. Yes.
Anatoliy [01:27:10]:
With black paint and make yellow paint.
Vemir [01:27:13]:
Am I using black paint?
Mike [01:27:14]:
Yes.
Vemir [01:27:15]:
What do I need to use?
Anatoliy [01:27:17]:
You have to realize you're not painting. Am I not trying to make a color?
Vemir [01:27:21]:
Don't try to paint.
Anatoliy [01:27:22]:
No.
Vemir [01:27:23]:
What should I try to do? I don't know what to do with.
Anatoliy [01:27:25]:
I'm not sure if you can accomplish what you're trying to accomplish. Yeah, I would say that there's like a million to zero ods and Vermeer.
Eldar [01:27:32]:
I'm going to tell you right now.
Vemir [01:27:33]:
But how does he accomplish it? How did I get here? Where?
Eldar [01:27:38]:
No, you're just a fork in a road he's part of already, a very well oiled machine.
Vemir [01:27:46]:
Give him signals until he finally gets it.
Eldar [01:27:49]:
No, not you. We've been doing this.
Vemir [01:27:51]:
I'm saying in life.
Eldar [01:27:52]:
Yeah. It's just you get hit in the head enough times 100%.
Anatoliy [01:27:56]:
Yeah. What's the attachment here?
Vemir [01:27:58]:
What's the last straw that breaks this camel?
Anatoliy [01:28:00]:
What does it matter?
Mike [01:28:01]:
Yeah.
Tommy [01:28:02]:
What do you get after that?
Eldar [01:28:03]:
Right now, in his case, that's what I want.
Vemir [01:28:05]:
I'm just curious how you get some.
Eldar [01:28:07]:
In his case. I'm going to tell you right now. I'm going to tell you right now. Well, yeah, I'm going to tell you right now. I got it. Different. I got it. When he becomes an accomplished writer, he's.
Vemir [01:28:16]:
Going to realize it's no.
Eldar [01:28:18]:
When he becomes an accomplished writer and he finally understands. He finally achieves what he wants to.
Vemir [01:28:27]:
Based on what he thinks it'll break.
Eldar [01:28:29]:
And he understands that. Extremely lonely.
Mike [01:28:33]:
That's it.
Anatoliy [01:28:35]:
Until then, good luck.
Eldar [01:28:36]:
Yeah.
Vemir [01:28:37]:
Until he has to reach the mountain. Like Mike Tyson became heavyweight champion, broke his ego.
Mike [01:28:42]:
Correct.
Vemir [01:28:43]:
Okay. So you have to realize that the thing that you think will solve your problems doesn't solve your problems.
Eldar [01:28:49]:
That's why we are here, to try to expedite.
Vemir [01:28:52]:
However my brother Jim Carrey vibes. I want to just touch on this for like 10 seconds.
Mike [01:28:59]:
Okay.
Vemir [01:29:03]:
I don't like the archetype of the guy who lays back and says the whole world is bullshit, but he's still not showing demonstrations of greatness in his own way. Who's saying that? I'm not saying you're saying that. I'm just saying this is a thing that I've thought about. It's like Jim Carrey became well known, became famous, fulfilled those things. Maybe in our primordial brains that we think is accomplishments. So he has the privilege to wake up from that. But there's people I know who are like spiritual, who don't have anything to show in the world.
Eldar [01:29:37]:
Yeah, but you either.
Vemir [01:29:38]:
And then they struggle once.
Eldar [01:29:40]:
Probably the most cursed person. Mike Tyson is probably the most cursed person.
Vemir [01:29:43]:
They are just world going through it.
Eldar [01:29:45]:
And the reason why he needed to get to that point in order to be really famous and understand who they are. In order to understand who they really are. It's a crazy journey.
Tommy [01:29:55]:
It's a cliff.
Vemir [01:29:56]:
They jumped.
Anatoliy [01:29:56]:
Mike Tyson, if you want to call it like, he sinned so much in his life that for the rest of his life for existence, the only conversations.
Mike [01:30:06]:
He'S going to have with people are.
Anatoliy [01:30:07]:
About what he did in the past.
Mike [01:30:09]:
And stuff like that.
Vemir [01:30:10]:
We talked about this. I think we were in the same room with this. So my question is like crazy sentence.
Anatoliy [01:30:16]:
No one gives a fuck what you are about now or anything like that. They just want to know.
Vemir [01:30:21]:
I want to tell you honestly about myself, something really specific.
Anatoliy [01:30:25]:
Is it okay if we don't want to know?
Vemir [01:30:27]:
Yeah, we can move on.
Anatoliy [01:30:28]:
That was hard.
Eldar [01:30:29]:
Move on, baby.
Vemir [01:30:31]:
I'm saying this, but I'm kind of realizing the answer as I say it out loud. Your ego is a safety mechanism. If I had already accomplished all the things in the world. When I get stressed out, I still have that to rely on. But I'm saying I can enjoy the present moment and feel that it is full and that it's all I need. And I recognize viscerally that the things I've been studying so much, I get.
Mike [01:30:59]:
That at least to whatever capacity I can.
Vemir [01:31:02]:
The thing is, when you get those valleys of stress, so then why do you have anxiety? No, I'm saying I'll answer your question, okay. I'm saying there is a feeling in.
Mike [01:31:15]:
Me that's like.
Vemir [01:31:19]:
There'S a last bit.
Mike [01:31:21]:
Of the ego that's feeling like I.
Vemir [01:31:25]:
Want to just shut out all concepts of success in the world. And I reckon I just want to shut that out. But what happens when you're conscious for 20 years and then there's this break and you feel like you haven't gone towards a goal or some status in life. You've been exercising all the spiritual values, but there's some break or some stress and you realize that at 40 or something, will that never come? Is that just another ego fear trick? I want to explain this well, because it's important. I think about this a lot. Like, there are people that I know.
Mike [01:31:55]:
Who are truly happy or whatever metric. They're very happy, but they are invisible.
Vemir [01:32:02]:
To the outside world. Not only that, they are like, I.
Eldar [01:32:06]:
Think that's not there.
Mike [01:32:07]:
That's a superpower.
Vemir [01:32:09]:
This is what I'm saying. There is a bifurcation between who I thought we all mentioned those successful people, quote unquote. And then there's people that I respect because I see that they're actually genuinely happy. Sometimes that overlaps.
Mike [01:32:27]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:32:27]:
The reason why you have to go back to the cave to rescue others is because you have an ethical obligation to do so.
Vemir [01:32:33]:
That's not what I'm saying. That's true. But it's like, why am I fixated on still fulfilling the ego even though I've seen the other side?
Eldar [01:32:49]:
Because you haven't experienced, probably the other side.
Vemir [01:32:52]:
I have in flames and parts and realizations.
Eldar [01:32:57]:
What did you not get from it?
Vemir [01:32:59]:
Joy. Just true bliss in the moment. Like enjoying the moment for what it is at whatever capacity I can. What I'm saying is that I still want to complete the human archetype, in a way.
Mike [01:33:13]:
And what is that?
Vemir [01:33:15]:
Whatever it might be for me, this.
Eldar [01:33:16]:
Should be what it is for you. For me to understand whether you're actually talking about.
Vemir [01:33:22]:
It's not even something that I'm self conscious about. I'm saying it's almost like you need to be worshipped.
Mike [01:33:30]:
He wants to do the same. We talked about this.
Vemir [01:33:33]:
No, but besides this worship or approval.
Mike [01:33:36]:
Besides the date russian hookers and be a philosopher.
Vemir [01:33:39]:
No, besides this. What you just said about you dating, and you're realizing that the old you is dying. What I'm saying is that for me to be truly free, any concept that I had about the world has to die. Almost like if I was landing on Mercury, there's no government, there's no crowd, there's no concepts of the society. If you're on mercury, what is your purpose? You're just alive. You're being right. Somehow you can survive on mercury.
Mike [01:34:11]:
Right.
Vemir [01:34:12]:
There's no thing to achieve or accomplish in space. Let's say it's just here right now, where we are. So my question is, like, why do you still want to do or be something? I don't even think anymore about other stuff. Why does this still come up? What is the last 10% of resolution? Maybe that he has. What is the formula?
Anatoliy [01:34:36]:
Why are you saying that it's the last 10%?
Vemir [01:34:38]:
Because you're wise enough to realize it means nothing, but you still kind of want it.
Anatoliy [01:34:44]:
But why are you under the impression that you know the measure of where it is and where it isn't. How could you say that?
Vemir [01:34:51]:
You've seen the truth and you can use through logic.
Mike [01:34:54]:
He's trying to logically figure out how to date a russian hooker.
Vemir [01:35:00]:
I'm just trying to lie.
Tommy [01:35:02]:
I think that's a good way to call.
Eldar [01:35:04]:
He has called the end.
Mike [01:35:06]:
He wants to date those type of girls, but also remain a philosopher. It's oxymoron. You can't combine the two.
Vemir [01:35:13]:
What I'm saying is, Phil, you can do all that. The question is, how do you.
Mike [01:35:26]:
There's something about yourself that you're not wanting to accept, and you're trying to make this, like a utopian world where you can be a philosopher and also do things that go against philosophy.
Vemir [01:35:36]:
No, I'm saying, what does balls to the wall look like?
Mike [01:35:39]:
What does fully in look like that I'm not doing fully?
Mike [01:35:43]:
There's something that you're not accepting by yourself, probably.
Vemir [01:35:51]:
I really do feel that potential is I don't want to be like, I'm this guy with bad habits, and that's who I'll forever be. This is like the 50 year olds I know who smoke and give up on their dreams, and I hate that archetype.
Mike [01:36:04]:
Don't talk about smoking.
Mike [01:36:05]:
That's good stuff. No.
Vemir [01:36:06]:
Yes. It's just the archetype. Cigarettes, you know what I'm saying? Nicotine, very good for you. That hit you good, baby. I'm saying, like, you know what my point is, right?
Mike [01:36:15]:
I know what you're saying. You're trying to figure out a way.
Vemir [01:36:18]:
No, I'm not trying to figure out.
Anatoliy [01:36:20]:
I feel like I never have an idea of what he's saying.
Vemir [01:36:23]:
No, come on.
Mike [01:36:24]:
Come on. No.
Mike [01:36:25]:
Me and a conversation last time about.
Anatoliy [01:36:27]:
It needs to be like a code little thing that happens, and then it's a very vague. That's how I feel.
Vemir [01:36:34]:
Okay, let me try to dilute it. The layman's version.
Anatoliy [01:36:41]:
No, but even when Tom said, um, he said that he sees everybody for who they are, and you said, I.
Mike [01:36:52]:
Don'T even do that.
Vemir [01:36:55]:
I'm saying that if he's saying that, that's an extremely high level of awareness.
Anatoliy [01:36:59]:
Yeah, and you said, I don't even do that.
Vemir [01:37:01]:
I can't even do that all the time. Properly, perfectly. That's what I was trying to say in that moment.
Anatoliy [01:37:06]:
No, but why does it matter if you can't, for example, to me, that says that I'm extremely smart, and even I can't do that.
Vemir [01:37:15]:
Now, what you got from it, yeah, I'm seeing a potential lack of awareness because it's just this cloud of circling thoughts that's not getting through. That doesn't happen with me. It gets through in my experience. That's just my take.
Anatoliy [01:37:32]:
Sound like you have any problems?
Vemir [01:37:34]:
No, I'm not saying I'm perfect. That's why I was saying I still have room to grow. But it's like you have to be aware that you're growing and there are growing pains. That's the point. I'm not saying I'm better than maybe.
Tommy [01:37:44]:
I don't want to be a magician.
Mike [01:37:45]:
Have an attachment to an identity. No, I don't want to live within.
Eldar [01:37:50]:
No.
Anatoliy [01:37:50]:
But I don't even know what's going.
Vemir [01:37:55]:
Let me give you a layman's terms. I'm trying to explain it simply so that I can solve the problem, too. I don't want to overcome.
Eldar [01:38:00]:
What are we talking about?
Mike [01:38:01]:
That's what I'm saying.
Vemir [01:38:02]:
Before you explain this, what I'm saying is philosophers hold on basic. They're cartoonifying what I'm saying, which is really.
Mike [01:38:10]:
I like it, though.
Vemir [01:38:11]:
Like, the idea of this fucking guy convincing everybody to get pussy. Like, it's ridiculous.
Mike [01:38:17]:
Yeah, I love has he likes. Nice to combine that.
Vemir [01:38:22]:
We're moving on from that. I'm saying the joy of being is further than any status money. I realized if my Wells Fargo bank account says 30 million, of course you have freedom of stuff. But it's like, that doesn't change your being. State of being.
Eldar [01:38:39]:
That's right.
Vemir [01:38:39]:
In the same way, if your name is senator or president or ambassador or Oscar Academy award, agree it doesn't change.
Mike [01:38:49]:
But you still like to have that.
Vemir [01:38:50]:
I'm still aware of the fact that there is a human fulfillment aspect that.
Eldar [01:38:57]:
Where are you simping to have that?
Vemir [01:38:59]:
I'm not simping out. I'm trying to strip away all the dead wood. And I'm saying is being ambitious, or like, I really don't want to cover up any insecurity. I don't want to do any of that anymore.
Anatoliy [01:39:12]:
Yeah, but then you can't do that. But then talk in code at the same time.
Vemir [01:39:16]:
I'm not talking in code.
Anatoliy [01:39:17]:
I feel like you are talking.
Vemir [01:39:18]:
All right, let me try to give layman's terms.
Mike [01:39:20]:
English is not your first language.
Anatoliy [01:39:21]:
It's not?
Vemir [01:39:22]:
No, it's okay. I sound like a foreigner anyway.
Eldar [01:39:26]:
Explain it to him.
Vemir [01:39:27]:
What I'm trying to say is you might wake up to the idea that there's more to life than status, money, pussy, power, all these no, people repeat to me over and over, it doesn't matter. But I don't have that yet.
Anatoliy [01:39:41]:
No, but I'm saying I want to know what problem are you having?
Vemir [01:39:44]:
My problem is that I recognize the joy of being is in the present moment. Being grateful, being conscious, just expressing yourself, just being. There's no actual title or anything that will give you more than what you have right now. That being said, I'm still running towards these objectives. I still want to prove.
Anatoliy [01:40:06]:
I don't see how like, it's like.
Vemir [01:40:08]:
I don't weigh 200 pounds of muscle. I've never done that. I want to see if I can do it. I want to see if I can rise, I want to see if I can get rich. I want to see if I can be good at surfing.
Mike [01:40:17]:
What I'm saying is fuck russian hookers.
Vemir [01:40:20]:
No, I don't philosopher.
Anatoliy [01:40:22]:
I'm not live life with saying that. Isn't it wrong at he recognizes just being alive and just like being like again. It's like all things to me that they're just like to be experienced.
Vemir [01:40:35]:
For sure it's not buzwords. I'm trying to describe the indescribable.
Mike [01:40:39]:
He's trying to enjoy those other things in life, but also be a philosopher.
Vemir [01:40:42]:
No, see, I think this is where words is failing me. I'm saying that being in the present moment, being conscious, is a beautiful thing in itself. It's the gift of life, but it's.
Mike [01:40:52]:
Not enough for you.
Vemir [01:40:53]:
But I'm saying there are those.
Eldar [01:40:55]:
Why can't you admit that?
Vemir [01:40:56]:
So what do you do with your life then? I don't know what to do.
Anatoliy [01:41:00]:
Yeah, I feel like if you were that, I think same thing.
Mike [01:41:04]:
I agree.
Vemir [01:41:04]:
No, I enjoy. Or if you were.
Mike [01:41:13]:
Good morning.
Vemir [01:41:15]:
I like Philip's jumping.
Phillip [01:41:17]:
Or if you were coming from that place genuinely where you do believe that consciousness is this beautiful thing and you can just enjoy life. I think then you can look at the things that you're talking about as just human endeavors, that you can just enjoy for what they are versus having this attachment to them to then get something out of them. The way that I look at it, I like that. I think that the way that you're describing them now is that if you didn't accomplish these things and you didn't go through maybe what Jim Carrey went through or Mike Tyson went through, if you have a genuine curiosity of what that feels for yourself, then you are attached to them doing this thing for something else. If you are coming from the place of saying, I think life is beautiful. I got all my accolades and my status and maybe I was a swimmer. And now I want to become an actor. If you want to try to become the actor now from just, like, I want to enjoy the process, I want to meet the people.
Phillip [01:42:10]:
I want to just make something beautiful and I don't care what I get. But you're not saying that.
Vemir [01:42:14]:
So you're saying I'm still viewing these things as transactional, that there is something to gain.
Phillip [01:42:19]:
I think you still want something from the other. I don't think then, no, but I.
Anatoliy [01:42:24]:
Also don't know what. I've never met an individual that could just say that I value just more. Like buzwords where it's just saying that you value the present moment or you're just grateful or without actual substance behind. To me, that stuff becomes self explanatory when you're actually standing behind something or purpose or different things like that. But when I hear him talking about it, for example, I feel like he's telling me something. But then to me, I view it as more as a buzzword.
Vemir [01:43:07]:
But you keep saying buzzword. No, but I'm saying you don't understand what the joke.
Anatoliy [01:43:09]:
No, I'm saying that I don't understand what you're saying because, well, first off, I don't know who you are.
Vemir [01:43:19]:
Right?
Eldar [01:43:21]:
I don't know.
Anatoliy [01:43:22]:
Do you know what I'm saying?
Eldar [01:43:23]:
I know what you're saying, yeah. I have a completely different way of saying it. Can you explain it?
Vemir [01:43:29]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [01:43:31]:
To me, in a nutshell, it's like saying that you're woke but not being woke.
Mike [01:43:36]:
Yeah. So here's what I'm going to say. Interesting.
Eldar [01:43:39]:
Okay, here.
Mike [01:43:41]:
That's my impression.
Eldar [01:43:42]:
Co sign me if I got it right.
Mike [01:43:43]:
Okay.
Eldar [01:43:44]:
You have not actually experienced the fruits of the labor of you describing. What do you mean?
Vemir [01:43:51]:
Like, I don't see the.
Eldar [01:43:55]:
Therefore, you still think that the other fruits will give you more.
Vemir [01:44:00]:
He needs to do the other thing.
Mike [01:44:02]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:44:03]:
So you're not really, I guess, immersed in it.
Anatoliy [01:44:09]:
I don't understand what?
Vemir [01:44:10]:
Stepping outside. I keep stepping outside to analyze it. This is good enough.
Mike [01:44:15]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:44:15]:
Versus immersing yourself in it completely to be able to enjoy the fruits of that labor.
Mike [01:44:20]:
Right.
Vemir [01:44:20]:
Just keep staying in it. Keep being immersed in. No, but it's the moment.
Mike [01:44:24]:
You have to understand why you want to keep staying in it.
Anatoliy [01:44:27]:
You have to understand me saying, think about it, elder.
Eldar [01:44:31]:
Believe it.
Anatoliy [01:44:31]:
I get that. I understand that being present and I feel the immersion, but surely want to kill somebody. To me, it's like, wait, what?
Eldar [01:44:42]:
Right?
Anatoliy [01:44:44]:
That's how I feel.
Mike [01:44:46]:
You still want to fuck russian hookers?
Anatoliy [01:44:50]:
No, not at all.
Eldar [01:44:53]:
No. But I think that Mike has some validity there.
Mike [01:44:55]:
100%. We had a conversation.
Eldar [01:44:58]:
Let's go out there.
Mike [01:44:59]:
Right.
Eldar [01:44:59]:
He might be prematurely has fucking jizzed himself without jizzing.
Mike [01:45:05]:
No, but I feel like he needs to convince himself that that's not the right way.
Eldar [01:45:09]:
Yeah, he's in the middle.
Mike [01:45:13]:
We want strip club tonight.
Phillip [01:45:15]:
But I think the problem is.
Mike [01:45:17]:
Tom, pack your bags.
Phillip [01:45:18]:
I think the problem is that him saying that life is beautiful and all this stuff, to me, that's the thing preventing it. And I think he's actually thinking that he believes that life is beautiful. He does not truly believe this.
Vemir [01:45:30]:
Why are you guys going from, like, zero to one? Isn't it like a.
Eldar [01:45:33]:
But we just want to make a distinction in order to understand the point.
Anatoliy [01:45:36]:
Yeah, because I think talking about that.
Eldar [01:45:38]:
That may apply to your. Because we don't know you that well, but immersion. Immersion equals freedom. And you're not free.
Mike [01:45:48]:
So you're saying you're 1ft in, 1ft out.
Mike [01:45:51]:
Yeah, definitely.
Vemir [01:45:52]:
When I suffer, it's when I'm overanalyzed.
Mike [01:45:55]:
That's why the question is, like, having.
Vemir [01:45:57]:
Picked a side, how do you be fully in? What would be an example?
Mike [01:46:02]:
You have to have a good enough.
Eldar [01:46:03]:
Fully in without a good enough reason. You have to have a good enough reason.
Mike [01:46:07]:
Okay.
Eldar [01:46:07]:
Yeah.
Vemir [01:46:08]:
Can you elaborate a little bit?
Eldar [01:46:09]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:46:10]:
Why do you want to be a philosopher? Why do you want to be a thinker? Why do you want to live a genuinely good life where you analyze why you're doing things, you have believe in what you're doing, you think about, you use ration, you use logic.
Vemir [01:46:24]:
The quality of experience is so.
Mike [01:46:25]:
But why also, you want to fuck cookers and be rich?
Vemir [01:46:27]:
No, I'm saying if I let go of everything, let's say I can do that.
Mike [01:46:32]:
I think you're living how to have maybe in your head, you're making this idea that in a movie, like, oh, this perfect idea image.
Anatoliy [01:46:41]:
Yes. I feel like.
Mike [01:46:43]:
Can you calm down, please?
Anatoliy [01:46:44]:
No, I can't.
Vemir [01:46:48]:
Change in energy.
Mike [01:46:49]:
I love that.
Mike [01:46:50]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [01:46:50]:
No, I feel like the vibe I'm getting from Vermeer. Give time to get to a floating state where he's actually floating in the air again.
Mike [01:47:01]:
Because he idealized this image.
Anatoliy [01:47:04]:
Yes, good pass.
Vemir [01:47:06]:
But why is this impossible?
Mike [01:47:08]:
Shut the fuck up.
Vemir [01:47:09]:
Why is this impossible? I just told you, with romance, it can get easier. You can flow with life.
Eldar [01:47:15]:
Well, it becomes less. Stop it. Do more fucking. Fucking. I'm going to strangle you.
Mike [01:47:19]:
I don't dream.
Eldar [01:47:20]:
Yeah, but come on, don't be a pissed pig.
Mike [01:47:22]:
Have fun. Yeah. I don't know.
Anatoliy [01:47:23]:
I feel like.
Vemir [01:47:24]:
So why are you saying that what my aspiration is is impossible?
Mike [01:47:28]:
Because you can't be a philosopher and be a piss pig at the same time.
Vemir [01:47:31]:
I'm not saying that dichotomy.
Mike [01:47:33]:
No, but that's what you're saying.
Vemir [01:47:34]:
Can you give me something else?
Mike [01:47:36]:
You can't live an examine life. You can't live an examine life and then say, in this world, I'm not going to live an examine life. And that's what you're trying to accomplish.
Vemir [01:47:44]:
What do you mean? No, I'm saying, like, what do you do with.
Tommy [01:47:47]:
There's a difference between the reality of things and the instrumental.
Mike [01:47:51]:
Now, if Tom is giving you advice, you know you're in trouble.
Mike [01:47:54]:
Yeah. Whoa.
Eldar [01:47:55]:
But I agree with what he said.
Mike [01:47:57]:
I have no idea what he said.
Eldar [01:47:58]:
But I agree there's a difference between your hypotheticals and reality of life. Oh, my God.
Mike [01:48:06]:
He doesn't even know what he's saying.
Eldar [01:48:08]:
You're supposed to dunk it.
Tommy [01:48:09]:
What I'm saying is the reality of things says that there is a definite way things are. And the other way of things says that most of what we believe is wrong.
Eldar [01:48:22]:
The truth of the matter is, as a hot model right now sucks his dick, he's going to probably feel good.
Mike [01:48:28]:
No, I think everybody in this room will feel good, potentially.
Vemir [01:48:31]:
Eldor. Aside from that, I recognize that there are people who are fucking suicidal who have had 1000 models suck their dick. I have been with very gorgeous women, thankfully, and I still don't feel like that solved the issue.
Mike [01:48:48]:
Right?
Vemir [01:48:49]:
So I'm saying my heart is open. I'm ready. How do I level up past the.
Mike [01:48:56]:
Value system is you?
Tommy [01:48:57]:
I think you need to go on 999 more dates.
Eldar [01:49:01]:
The reason why you probably have a hard time leveling up in the first place is because you're probably having a.
Mike [01:49:05]:
Hard time being honest about what it.
Eldar [01:49:08]:
Is that you're experiencing in the first place.
Mike [01:49:09]:
Yes.
Vemir [01:49:10]:
What do you mean?
Mike [01:49:11]:
I feel like.
Vemir [01:49:14]:
I don't want to lie to myself.
Eldar [01:49:16]:
I'm trying to have the capacity. You want a shortcut? I can give it to you.
Mike [01:49:20]:
No way.
Eldar [01:49:20]:
There's no way.
Mike [01:49:21]:
But mirror at this moment.
Eldar [01:49:22]:
I can give you a shortcut. You might not like it.
Vemir [01:49:25]:
Tell me, what is that? You can tell me anything.
Mike [01:49:28]:
Holy shit.
Mike [01:49:29]:
We'll take you to Eldar.
Tommy [01:49:30]:
Should tell his hair because you look like a total fucking.
Vemir [01:49:33]:
You should go two levels above there. You should go as deep as you can look.
Eldar [01:49:38]:
Tell me you're probably a piece of shit.
Mike [01:49:42]:
I got to take it, but that's a very good starting place.
Tommy [01:49:45]:
Yo, your hair is fucking on fleek right now, bro.
Vemir [01:49:49]:
Good with a mustache, right? Yeah.
Mike [01:49:52]:
Okay.
Vemir [01:49:53]:
Can you finish your. Does this hair not look before I comment?
Eldar [01:49:57]:
Yeah, you're probably a piece of shit.
Mike [01:50:00]:
Shut the fuck up, please. Thank you.
Tommy [01:50:01]:
I appreciate that.
Eldar [01:50:02]:
However that makes you feel phases you or whatever it is, it probably is what it is. And until you can jump over that, there's no way you can see past Phil.
Tommy [01:50:14]:
Get your ass back here.
Eldar [01:50:15]:
You need to be able to conquer this first. And the reason why you're not seeing why you're a piece of shit is because you're too small for your own good.
Anatoliy [01:50:22]:
Thank you.
Vemir [01:50:23]:
You're saying I'm justifying indulgent?
Tommy [01:50:27]:
No, he's saying you are 0.1% of the bullshitter that you hate in society.
Mike [01:50:32]:
Oh, my God.
Eldar [01:50:35]:
I want to throw a girl at you just to see.
Tommy [01:50:38]:
Because once outside of this, here's some.
Eldar [01:50:42]:
Wisdom right here, because I don't really know it. I know these guys because I know them.
Vemir [01:50:47]:
Okay, look, I'm asking something that probably from knowing me over throughout different.
Eldar [01:50:52]:
I only know you in a philosophy bubble that we've created, and I fuck with you in that sense. You know what I'm saying? But living life is a different thing, and I completely understand that.
Vemir [01:51:00]:
I'm definitely, like, mischievous, but I don't think I have Malin, at least elderism.
Eldar [01:51:05]:
Values actions more than words.
Mike [01:51:08]:
Right? I think fair, cool.
Eldar [01:51:14]:
Because that's where I'm going to judge you ultimately. For if you're like, yo, I believe in kindness. I believe in kindness. I believe in kindness. But then you go and you act unkind towards your mom and dad. I'm going to say, yo, I'm not sure if you really believe in kindness, buddy.
Vemir [01:51:30]:
I think there is.
Mike [01:51:37]:
It's an act you do to yourself.
Vemir [01:51:40]:
I don't think it's all a sham or an act that's too much of a simplification.
Mike [01:51:44]:
We don't know you. Hold on.
Tommy [01:51:46]:
Hold that thought.
Mike [01:51:47]:
Okay?
Vemir [01:51:47]:
From my.
Tommy [01:51:49]:
Are you willing to hear my wisdom for a moment? Oh, this does not come from me.
Mike [01:51:52]:
Wow.
Mike [01:51:52]:
Now Tommy has wisdom. I want to hear this.
Tommy [01:51:55]:
And it has to do about with writing, but it also has to do with being true, being true to your story, being true to who you are.
Mike [01:52:03]:
Okay.
Tommy [01:52:03]:
She says that being untrue, being dishonest, is like if somebody gave you a sandwich and then just told you, oh, and I put a little bit of cat shit in that sandwich, it would still make a cat shit sandwich, but.
Mike [01:52:20]:
It would still taste good.
Vemir [01:52:22]:
I don't see.
Tommy [01:52:23]:
That's your view, Mike. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about even just the smallest amount of bullshit makes it all bullshit.
Mike [01:52:33]:
You're not fully committed.
Mike [01:52:34]:
Shit makes it all.
Eldar [01:52:36]:
And I agree with you.
Vemir [01:52:37]:
Even the small day amount of bullshit is bullshit.
Mike [01:52:40]:
Yeah. I don't.
Eldar [01:52:41]:
Because authenticity is. Authenticity is at 100. There's no 99% of authenticity. Yes, I agree with you with that, Tom.
Tommy [01:52:49]:
And I value authenticity.
Eldar [01:52:50]:
It's one of my values authenticity at all times. And there's no ifs or buts or.
Vemir [01:52:55]:
Whatever, but this would make anybody self conscious. But I don't think I have reason to be. Like, I don't think I'm being inauthentic with you. I'm sitting here looking at you. I don't feel like I'm putting on a show or proving anything. But then again, I probably am not seeing something. That's why I asked the question.
Mike [01:53:13]:
Correct.
Vemir [01:53:14]:
But I don't know.
Eldar [01:53:15]:
Correct. And because of the fact that we're not that personal, you might be overlooking something. And that's okay. You know what I'm saying? Up until you're comfortable enough to be able to open that up in order to pose questions like Mike is posing questions about his learning experiences, to say, like, yo, wait a second. Why are you posing that in the first place? And what feelings are you conjuring from this in the first place? And those feelings might not be validity to the reality at all. So you shouldn't be experiencing that at all because you're wrong.
Anatoliy [01:53:43]:
I view it more as, I feel like I've heard you quote more people than say things yourself. Does not mean to be offensive. But it might be offensive. It might be, yeah, but I want to hear, I want to hear something from you and what you think and why versus there too. You throw in little things like, this is coming from a small plant and not a big tree.
Eldar [01:54:12]:
You know what that means, right?
Anatoliy [01:54:14]:
You're trying to say, like, I'm coming from a humble place.
Vemir [01:54:17]:
No, I'm not trying to show you an identity. I'm saying that I'm still on the journey.
Anatoliy [01:54:21]:
No, but you're saying that you can.
Vemir [01:54:23]:
Get shade under no 100%, but I'm.
Anatoliy [01:54:25]:
Saying that to feel the need to say that to begin with.
Vemir [01:54:30]:
I'm trying to not present myself as a force of authority, because you got.
Eldar [01:54:35]:
To soften the blow when you speak. We would know without having to. You reference. Like, hey, guys, I'll just reference.
Vemir [01:54:41]:
You would know. But who did I say it to?
Eldar [01:54:43]:
Oh, you listen to me. If people are paying attention here, I.
Mike [01:54:46]:
Don'T underestimate these motherfuckers at all.
Vemir [01:54:49]:
People are paying attention.
Eldar [01:54:52]:
If they're paying attention, they're as high as it gets.
Mike [01:54:57]:
Interesting. For the moment.
Eldar [01:55:00]:
Doesn't mean that they don't leave the moment. They do leave the moment.
Mike [01:55:03]:
I'm about to leave the moment to take a shit right now.
Mike [01:55:05]:
You know what I'm saying?
Eldar [01:55:06]:
But when they do pay attention.
Anatoliy [01:55:09]:
Listen, Tommy, you score Mike to the bathroom.
Eldar [01:55:11]:
Yo, I better be on my P's and Q's, bro, because he's listening.
Mike [01:55:15]:
Okay? He's listening.
Eldar [01:55:16]:
Everybody's.
Mike [01:55:17]:
We're listening.
Eldar [01:55:17]:
I'm not sure what's going on with Tommy. And I'm proud of that because that's my sheltering tree. These are my friends. And if I'm slipping up with the way I'm speaking and coming across, they're.
Vemir [01:55:29]:
Going to be like, yo, it's very healthy. Obviously, I need this in order to.
Eldar [01:55:35]:
Continue to live, but some people and enjoy my life.
Mike [01:55:38]:
Okay.
Eldar [01:55:40]:
You know what I'm saying? So that's how you're all in.
Mike [01:55:44]:
I want to do that.
Eldar [01:55:45]:
Yes.
Vemir [01:55:46]:
I don't think I have a big ego. I've been humbled.
Tommy [01:55:48]:
Get your big ostrich nuts out of here.
Eldar [01:55:52]:
Give me some ice, motherfucker. That's disgusting.
Mike [01:55:58]:
Yeah. Okay.
Tommy [01:56:02]:
So what I'm wondering is, how do you take this wisdom and knowledge and bring it to your first date and apply it correctly.
Mike [01:56:09]:
Okay, Tom.
Vemir [01:56:10]:
That's a good question.
Tommy [01:56:11]:
Apply this motherfucking correctly.
Eldar [01:56:13]:
The truth of the matter is you specifically, I'm going to give you advice for you.
Mike [01:56:17]:
Okay? Listen. I'm going to say to you, you.
Eldar [01:56:22]:
See this right here? He just gave me the answer.
Anatoliy [01:56:25]:
He's going to say, Phil capitolated.
Tommy [01:56:27]:
He went to work.
Mike [01:56:28]:
Tommy? Yeah.
Eldar [01:56:29]:
When you come to the date, you have to come in as a date.
Mike [01:56:32]:
And say, yo, this might be the weirdest thing you've ever experienced. Excellent. Are you okay with this? And if the person says yes, you beat yourself.
Eldar [01:56:43]:
If the person says no, you get.
Mike [01:56:45]:
Yourself up and you leave.
Tommy [01:56:49]:
Do I fart on my way?
Mike [01:56:51]:
You can.
Eldar [01:56:52]:
Wow.
Mike [01:56:52]:
Really? Yeah.
Eldar [01:56:55]:
You understand, Tom Tom.
Tommy [01:56:58]:
And then she'd think about, wait, what happened? Did cause come before effect or cause?
Eldar [01:57:05]:
Yes. That is.
Mike [01:57:10]:
The fucking way you have to go.
Tommy [01:57:14]:
Yeah, I'm not sure if I don't want to go into a date thinking all about myself. That's for sure.
Eldar [01:57:21]:
That's a potential choir taste for me. That's a potential weirdo.
Tommy [01:57:25]:
I do think a lot about myself before I try to get involved romantically with somebody.
Eldar [01:57:31]:
Yeah, I think a lot of case, Tom. And this is accounting for inventory and justification. You have to explain to them.
Mike [01:57:40]:
They're like, look, I'm a weirdo. See, I'm not ready.
Tommy [01:57:45]:
Yes, but that's Vermeer.
Eldar [01:57:47]:
You asked me make you feel a certain type of. You asked me why are you okay with this?
Tommy [01:57:51]:
Because of that. Because that. Because I don't want to go to a date presenting a cat shit sandwich for you.
Vemir [01:57:59]:
This is crazy, though. Like, to feel that I have to be perfect before I can present myself.
Tommy [01:58:03]:
No, it has nothing to do with that. If you are listening. If you are listening, we're just talking about being true to yourself. That's not being perfect.
Vemir [01:58:10]:
Being true to yourself is a lifelong process.
Tommy [01:58:13]:
No, it's going to make it work. It's allowing yourself to let go and allowing yourself to be part of the thing.
Vemir [01:58:20]:
No, I'm voluntarily, by the way, when.
Eldar [01:58:22]:
I ask, is accepting the fact that you can fail and be okay with it imperfection.
Tommy [01:58:27]:
Correct. Like, I'll walk away from this date, but I just don't want to start dates by presenting myself as a weirdo.
Mike [01:58:33]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:58:34]:
Wait, what?
Tommy [01:58:35]:
It's I don't want or don't like to, bro, that's why. You missed the fucking point, my man. That's why I'm not going on dates.
Eldar [01:58:41]:
I'm explaining it to you.
Mike [01:58:43]:
Okay, so you're waiting to not be a good, good. I'm cool with.
Eldar [01:58:51]:
Yeah, I'll let you know when you're not a weirdo, Tom.
Mike [01:58:53]:
Right.
Tommy [01:58:53]:
However, listen, it's not that it doesn't.
Mike [01:58:57]:
Sound fun to me.
Tommy [01:58:58]:
I just don't see a feasible way of going about your condition going on weird fucking.
Eldar [01:59:03]:
Listen, we can take your condition and.
Mike [01:59:05]:
We can spin it in a fun way.
Tommy [01:59:12]:
For who? For what purpose?
Eldar [01:59:13]:
For both parties. For both parties? Yes, for both parties. It's going to take some fucking effort.
Mike [01:59:24]:
But we can do it. You understand what alderism is?
Tommy [01:59:31]:
Wait, listen. I'll be willing to go on dates that only you guys pick for me.
Eldar [01:59:38]:
Wow. Arrange marriage. Totally. This is as humbling as it gets.
Mike [01:59:44]:
Yes. Wow. Yes.
Eldar [01:59:45]:
This is on record.
Tommy [01:59:46]:
Totally, Randos.
Eldar [01:59:47]:
Holy shit.
Tommy [01:59:48]:
Whoever it is that you meet.
Eldar [01:59:49]:
You know what?
Tommy [01:59:50]:
I'll go on dates with whoever it is.
Eldar [01:59:52]:
Yo, Philip's. Not here, but I'm gonna tell you right now, Tommy, this is one of.
Mike [01:59:56]:
The best things I've ever heard from. Yeah, yeah.
Eldar [02:00:01]:
How'd you come up with this?
Tommy [02:00:03]:
It seems logical. You guys now understand, and you can use your understanding to support a friend.
Eldar [02:00:11]:
Wow.
Mike [02:00:11]:
Yeah, totally.
Eldar [02:00:13]:
You hear this?
Anatoliy [02:00:15]:
I can't take this.
Eldar [02:00:17]:
And what I can do is go.
Tommy [02:00:19]:
Home and meditate on my nuts.
Eldar [02:00:22]:
This is a. Yo, Mike, come back. I need yo for me. Are you hearing what he's saying?
Vemir [02:00:29]:
What did he say?
Eldar [02:00:30]:
He's saying, please, I'm okay with arranged marriage from the guys that really understand who I am. Yo, I'm gonna look for that person, Tom, I'm gonna introduce.
Vemir [02:00:39]:
That means they know how to love you.
Mike [02:00:41]:
Right, Mike?
Eldar [02:00:43]:
Tom said something profound. I'm gonna let totally say what he just said.
Mike [02:00:47]:
Thank you.
Eldar [02:00:48]:
Thank you.
Anatoliy [02:00:49]:
Tom said that he's willing to let us choose who he's going to be with for the rest of his life.
Eldar [02:00:54]:
Somebody hit this guy over the head. Put me some. You understand what he just said? Yo, this is the most humbling I've ever. Oh, nice.
Anatoliy [02:01:07]:
Think about my bathroom right now.
Eldar [02:01:08]:
Is disgusting. Why'd you say relaxing? What the fuck was that? Okay, yo, you have to answer this question. Tom just was okay with us picking the next person that he's going to be with.
Mike [02:01:22]:
Go back to. What's her name? Vamir.
Tommy [02:01:24]:
Yeah, you're going to have to.
Eldar [02:01:25]:
No, you know what? We have to it. But that is very humbling.
Mike [02:01:29]:
But is he going to actually follow through with.
Eldar [02:01:31]:
No, no, fuck that. Fuck that. I don't care about that. I don't care about that.
Mike [02:01:34]:
You know what?
Eldar [02:01:35]:
If he wants to sin and take his words back, I'm okay with that. But the profound part of him of saying, I want to be okay with arranged marriage, it's a profound fucking thing, bro. Because not only that, this is the.
Vemir [02:01:48]:
Same thing as that guy who wants somebody to tell him what to do.
Mike [02:01:51]:
Yes.
Eldar [02:01:52]:
And Indians and all the other religions or whatever. Muslims or whatever. They already have this established. And for what reasons do they have this established for? And Tom is telling us that. Look, you guys have my best interest at heart here, and you're.
Mike [02:02:08]:
Tom, Tom, are you serious about.
Mike [02:02:13]:
Just.
Mike [02:02:14]:
What the fuck, Tom? You're saying crazy stuff, right?
Tommy [02:02:19]:
Yeah. Look at what your online dating or your random meeting with people who have pictures online and reading profiles and going out on dates has gotten you nothing but isolation, sadness, and continued disappointment.
Eldar [02:02:34]:
Philip, unfortunately, Phil is so happy. You must have missed the most important thing of life. Period.
Mike [02:02:42]:
What happened?
Eldar [02:02:43]:
A surrender, Philip. You have no chance.
Vemir [02:02:45]:
Right.
Tommy [02:02:48]:
Archie?
Eldar [02:02:49]:
Hey, you go about the boy out your back. Hey, I'm so sorry, Mr. Arch. Hey, I'm so sorry, Arch. You want to come over here?
Mike [02:03:03]:
We'll come over here.
Eldar [02:03:07]:
Phil, do you understand what.
Mike [02:03:08]:
Archie?
Mike [02:03:10]:
Come here, Arch.
Eldar [02:03:11]:
A complete surrender.
Mike [02:03:12]:
Come here. Come here, budy.
Tommy [02:03:13]:
I was saying it before, and I really mean it. Sometimes these dates, for me at least, going on dates is like horror stories, Bergen. Horror story.
Eldar [02:03:22]:
You know what? He's fucking right.
Vemir [02:03:23]:
I mean, I definitely empathize.
Mike [02:03:25]:
I've went through a long time of struggling with dating.
Eldar [02:03:29]:
That is crazy to make that conclusion, Tom, I'll have to fucking.
Mike [02:03:33]:
But arrange.
Eldar [02:03:34]:
Put some thought into the shit.
Tommy [02:03:36]:
What do you want to do? We'll go have some fun somewhere.
Vemir [02:03:38]:
That's like a lifelong bandage. But that's like a bandage for like 20 years. Arrange marriage.
Mike [02:03:46]:
No, that's a great thing.
Vemir [02:03:48]:
How is that a great.
Mike [02:03:48]:
If you humbly admit that you're not competent.
Eldar [02:03:51]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:03:51]:
And you know that people have.
Eldar [02:03:53]:
That's liberation. This is definitely fucking enlightenment, bro. That might be enlightenment. That's what I'm saying. I have to fucking think about this and ask maybe some more questions, because.
Vemir [02:04:03]:
I'm doubtful, but I have this thing that I feel like I can change anything. I can reach anything if I just change my. You submitting to the idea that you're.
Mike [02:04:12]:
Not capable.
Vemir [02:04:18]:
That'S definitely a flaw.
Eldar [02:04:19]:
Listen, the reason why you have in maybe these doubts is because you don't know who he's talking about. But I'm not sure if you have in the same doubts as, like, totally, for example, or me or Mike, who knows Tommy for a very long time.
Mike [02:04:29]:
Doubts about what?
Vemir [02:04:31]:
Doubts about what, specifically?
Eldar [02:04:34]:
That this might arrange marriage.
Mike [02:04:37]:
Yeah.
Vemir [02:04:38]:
How is that going to solve his character?
Eldar [02:04:40]:
No, it's not solving his character, but it is putting him in jail that he needs to be in jail for.
Vemir [02:04:47]:
How is this going to teach him?
Phillip [02:04:48]:
But it's taking the decision making process out of his.
Eldar [02:04:51]:
No, no, but that's humbling.
Vemir [02:04:52]:
Why would you do this? No offense. I'm not talking about Tom. Now, why in an arranged marriage would.
Mike [02:04:57]:
You do this to a woman?
Vemir [02:04:59]:
Why would you subject.
Eldar [02:05:00]:
No, you ask them the question whether or not they're okay with this. Obviously she's not going to be ask.
Mike [02:05:06]:
You don't go and force.
Eldar [02:05:08]:
We're just forcing the person who's asking to be forced.
Vemir [02:05:11]:
You don't understand, though. Like, you want a marriage to be between two people who are very much interested in each other.
Eldar [02:05:19]:
No.
Vemir [02:05:21]:
Arranged marriage doesn't.
Mike [02:05:24]:
You have a wrong assumption about.
Vemir [02:05:26]:
But I don't like the premise.
Tommy [02:05:28]:
Catch it in the sandwich.
Eldar [02:05:29]:
This is a fucking.
Vemir [02:05:30]:
No, the catch.
Tommy [02:05:31]:
Because we were saying before, you can catch 1000 dates and be satisfied, what the fuck does that have to do with marriage?
Eldar [02:05:38]:
Wow.
Mike [02:05:38]:
What do you mean?
Tommy [02:05:39]:
I'm saying you can go on dating and dating until you fucking shriveled like a fucking.
Mike [02:05:44]:
Look.
Eldar [02:05:45]:
He's saying, look, if you learn and.
Vemir [02:05:46]:
Reiterate enough, you won't do that.
Eldar [02:05:48]:
He might know the fact that we don't have a horse in a race in this fucking conundrum. Therefore, we will do our best in order to bring out the person or bring about the person that he actually needs for his own development and growth. That is fucking profound.
Vemir [02:06:03]:
I can't imagine putting myself in a cage voluntarily.
Mike [02:06:06]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:06:07]:
Because you're looking at it from an ego person.
Mike [02:06:09]:
Yeah, that.
Eldar [02:06:10]:
It's a cage.
Mike [02:06:11]:
Yes.
Vemir [02:06:11]:
How is an arranged marriage because you.
Mike [02:06:13]:
Think you know what's best for you, but you have your own ego in the race and your own attire.
Eldar [02:06:17]:
He might have surrendered and said, yo, look, I'm a bad person to be judging this, to making these choices. Yeah. So to rely on it.
Vemir [02:06:24]:
Isn't that why you ask advice?
Eldar [02:06:25]:
I'll tell you exactly what's happening.
Tommy [02:06:26]:
That is a situation, and I'm augmenting it. I'm making it better, and I'm making it my own.
Eldar [02:06:34]:
Wait, are you just doing it for fucking, like, meme purpose? What?
Tommy [02:06:38]:
Dude, all I'm worried about is right now, here in this moment. That's all I'm worried about.
Mike [02:06:42]:
Wow.
Tommy [02:06:44]:
But Mike's situation, if that's not working, why not try to improve upon it? And I would date anybody that you guys presented me. I would go on a first date with anybody.
Eldar [02:06:55]:
Yeah, we're just talking about arranged dating. When we talk about dating, at least we're talking about, I'm not going to present somebody who's going to be if and by accident kind of thing. I want them to be fucking happy.
Mike [02:07:08]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:07:08]:
I'm not going to introduce somebody who's not going to make him happy or help him to be happy.
Vemir [02:07:13]:
All right, you guys probably have more context than I do, but it seems like I have the mentality of I want to solve it on my own without. I can ask advice, but I have to evolve.
Eldar [02:07:27]:
Answer that.
Mike [02:07:28]:
You can't solve it on your own because the person you are currently is.
Eldar [02:07:31]:
Not the right person to evolve through pain. Yeah.
Vemir [02:07:38]:
I used to be bad with.
Mike [02:07:40]:
But then it wouldn't be the same person that you are now.
Vemir [02:07:42]:
That's the important part. You have to kill everything that's not serving you.
Mike [02:07:47]:
But killing the ego is not always the way you predict it's going to be.
Vemir [02:07:52]:
I'm saying, like, I doesn't look bad with women because of my incredible anxiety. That anxiety is gone.
Mike [02:07:59]:
And now you're just what I'm wondering.
Tommy [02:08:03]:
Does ego help to a certain extent when you're know, say things are kind of withering with somebody, they're a little negative and you could tell that they're kind of using you as a battery or something?
Eldar [02:08:13]:
Tom, I don't want to dilute the message that you said before. Therefore, I'm going to completely disregard what you just said just now.
Anatoliy [02:08:20]:
You can only go downhill from here.
Eldar [02:08:22]:
That was great. Could you say that again, Tom, what you said before is so profound. I don't think you understand what fucking how profound that is.
Tommy [02:08:30]:
I am. That's why I'm trying to, like, just totally did.
Eldar [02:08:32]:
He just said that by a fucking, by a mere chance, where did he conclude this from? That's what I'm saying.
Vemir [02:08:38]:
You can't take it seriously, but you don't.
Eldar [02:08:41]:
Where did he come, can you explain to me.
Vemir [02:08:43]:
I like that.
Eldar [02:08:44]:
Where did he come out? Come from?
Mike [02:08:46]:
This flash of genius. You ever seen that movie?
Mike [02:08:48]:
No.
Mike [02:08:49]:
They had a flash of genius.
Eldar [02:08:51]:
Tom, what the fuck? I want to know, does you understand? You broke my whole.
Tommy [02:08:56]:
I want to know, does ego help at all?
Vemir [02:08:59]:
Arrogance can.
Tommy [02:09:00]:
All I want to know is does ego help at all?
Eldar [02:09:02]:
You're asking me the question if that I have a potential ability, or us have the ability to recommend somebody that can potentially be good for you without.
Mike [02:09:11]:
You knowing what the fuck I'm taking a risk, I guess.
Mike [02:09:18]:
Is it a trust risk or no. Or is it like a blind risk?
Tommy [02:09:21]:
Of course.
Eldar [02:09:22]:
Tom, you really.
Tommy [02:09:22]:
It's a blind thing.
Eldar [02:09:23]:
Tom, do we think we're good?
Mike [02:09:25]:
Yeah. Wow.
Mike [02:09:28]:
You're not lying just because we're.
Eldar [02:09:30]:
Tom, we are pretty oppressive.
Tommy [02:09:32]:
Oppressive?
Eldar [02:09:33]:
Oppressive?
Mike [02:09:34]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:09:34]:
We don't give a fuck. That's crazy, bro.
Tommy [02:09:40]:
Now can you answer my question about ego? Does ego?
Mike [02:09:44]:
Totally.
Eldar [02:09:44]:
You have to explain this to me.
Mike [02:09:45]:
This one.
Anatoliy [02:09:46]:
What do you explain?
Eldar [02:09:47]:
How the fuck did he deduce the.
Mike [02:09:48]:
Shit in his head?
Eldar [02:09:50]:
Like, deduce what he said to. I'm going to give the trust to you guys and I'm going to date the next person if you give me the arranged.
Mike [02:10:00]:
I mean, like.
Mike [02:10:04]:
He'S onto something.
Eldar [02:10:06]:
Why did he say this?
Mike [02:10:08]:
He doesn't know how to.
Eldar [02:10:09]:
This is himself.
Phillip [02:10:10]:
He doesn't trust himself.
Mike [02:10:11]:
But that's a huge thing to say.
Eldar [02:10:12]:
That's a crazy.
Mike [02:10:13]:
And to believe.
Eldar [02:10:14]:
Philip, do you understand what he just said? I'm going to choose the next person you date, Philip, whether you like it or not, you have to date this person.
Anatoliy [02:10:23]:
Yeah, but he said that he's willing to go on a first date.
Mike [02:10:29]:
Tom, expand on that.
Eldar [02:10:32]:
What do you mean by that?
Tommy [02:10:33]:
I don't even know where to start with you.
Eldar [02:10:36]:
We're going to fast forward the shit and go say, you know, where you said this is the person you have to marry?
Tommy [02:10:45]:
Well, I think we already learned from that. Like, things like that, where you become, like, the king of another person's life. That's not going to work. It's just not going to work. But I hear you because there's a.
Mike [02:10:59]:
Bit of humor to it.
Tommy [02:11:00]:
There's a bit of humor to it. And why fucking throw out the potential future of getting married to somebody who my friend introduces me.
Eldar [02:11:07]:
You didn't understand the point of what you were trying to get to.
Tommy [02:11:11]:
You're saying arranged marriage.
Eldar [02:11:12]:
Well, why did he come up with this in the first place?
Tommy [02:11:14]:
I think it's funny.
Eldar [02:11:15]:
I have a conundrum.
Mike [02:11:16]:
I know what you're saying, but he glitched. Yeah, maybe he glitched.
Mike [02:11:21]:
He just said he thinks it's funny.
Eldar [02:11:22]:
He glitched.
Mike [02:11:23]:
He's trolling. Yeah.
Tommy [02:11:27]:
Let's go back. We said that if I have to go on a date, Mike, you were in the bathroom taking your relaxing shit.
Mike [02:11:33]:
Relaxing shit.
Tommy [02:11:34]:
I'd have to tell the person who I was sitting on the date with. Hey, I just want you to know I'm a little weird. I'm a weirdo. Okay, so this is how it's going to go.
Mike [02:11:44]:
And if they're not cool with honesty, I like it.
Tommy [02:11:45]:
If they're not cool with it, I get up and I leave. And I fart if I want to.
Mike [02:11:51]:
Yeah, I like it. He's leading with.
Eldar [02:11:55]:
Fart.
Vemir [02:11:56]:
You'll find someone very compatible with.
Tommy [02:11:58]:
I responded. You're absolutely right, Eldar. Which is exactly why I do not go on dates. And so that answers Amir's question.
Vemir [02:12:06]:
No, that's not the reason why you don't go on dates. You're avoiding discomfort.
Tommy [02:12:10]:
Because I don't want to go on dates. Where I have to say I'm a weirdo.
Mike [02:12:14]:
Because he hasn't accepted he's a weirdo.
Tommy [02:12:15]:
And then I added.
Eldar [02:12:20]:
A weirdo.
Tommy [02:12:21]:
But I said, hold on 1 second, but I'm willing to go on dates.
Eldar [02:12:25]:
I said, tom, do you accept that you're weird or compliment? This does not mean that there's a reason why you're a weirdo. It's just the society in general will not understand you're weird.
Tommy [02:12:40]:
I don't know anything, man, about society, bro. Opinions. In society, people will have opinions.
Eldar [02:12:46]:
That's what I'm saying, though.
Vemir [02:12:47]:
But sorry, if I may, why is the weight of these people's opinions so strong? Why is the weight.
Tommy [02:12:55]:
It's not.
Mike [02:12:55]:
Okay.
Tommy [02:12:57]:
Like I said, if one of my friends you're afraid of encountering, Eldar, meets somebody and recommends me as somebody who they would want to go on a.
Vemir [02:13:09]:
Date, then it reduces the chances of your rejection.
Tommy [02:13:12]:
Wait, what?
Vemir [02:13:13]:
It reduces the chances of you getting that feeling of rejection right. If they preselect and they trying to.
Eldar [02:13:20]:
Spin it the other way.
Mike [02:13:21]:
Wow.
Tommy [02:13:23]:
No, I wouldn't say that.
Eldar [02:13:24]:
I'm trying to catch you, bro.
Tommy [02:13:25]:
I think it's clever what you said.
Vemir [02:13:28]:
This is like those whatever, podcast what you said. But it's the truth.
Mike [02:13:32]:
Right.
Tommy [02:13:32]:
But a fear of rejection is just not something that is not something that keeps me from.
Mike [02:13:39]:
Okay, let me ask you a question.
Vemir [02:13:41]:
I've heard this a million times. If 500 people in a room had a million dollars and your goal was to just ask everybody in the room if they have a million dollars, you heard this before, maybe. And they either say yes or no. If they say yes and they're the person with the million dollars, you get it. Wouldn't you ask everybody in the room?
Mike [02:14:03]:
Of course you would, because you're just.
Vemir [02:14:05]:
Trying to get your goal, your million dollars. So when it comes to dating, why would you be hurt if 999 people reject you?
Mike [02:14:16]:
Okay, that's a good point. Yeah.
Tommy [02:14:18]:
I mean, why would I be hurt?
Mike [02:14:21]:
Well.
Tommy [02:14:24]:
I imagine that you can't really control sometimes.
Phillip [02:14:27]:
No, you might not really.
Tommy [02:14:28]:
What emotionally occurs, you can't really control.
Vemir [02:14:32]:
You can never control another person fully. You understand that, right?
Tommy [02:14:36]:
No. Within yourself, what emotionally occurs, you can influence. Rejection can hurt.
Mike [02:14:41]:
That's just what it is.
Vemir [02:14:42]:
But I'm saying rejection to me, is an illusion.
Mike [02:14:46]:
You're not leading with the truth.
Vemir [02:14:48]:
Of course, you cannot be rejected by someone who doesn't know you do you understand that? They might have this sense about you or whatever, but you have to do some introspection of what do I reject.
Tommy [02:15:07]:
In myself in the way where if somebody says they don't want to date you, that means they don't want to date you. So that's a rejection.
Eldar [02:15:13]:
Why?
Vemir [02:15:14]:
Okay, I'm going to tell you. If a million women reject.
Eldar [02:15:17]:
Why?
Tommy [02:15:17]:
You never know.
Vemir [02:15:18]:
You do have to know why.
Tommy [02:15:20]:
If a million, they may tell you and you may be able to ask.
Vemir [02:15:24]:
If a million women reject you, then they're probably right.
Mike [02:15:28]:
Right.
Vemir [02:15:28]:
That's where majority rules. There's no way if a million women.
Eldar [02:15:32]:
Fight it.
Mike [02:15:33]:
Fight it.
Tommy [02:15:34]:
I'm not sure about it being like.
Vemir [02:15:37]:
Tell me why if a million women.
Eldar [02:15:38]:
Reject a million women is not a good pool.
Mike [02:15:43]:
What? Not a good pool when it comes to him.
Eldar [02:15:48]:
You know what I'm saying?
Mike [02:15:49]:
Or.
Eldar [02:15:49]:
No, Tom, he's a very specific person.
Mike [02:15:52]:
Okay?
Vemir [02:15:53]:
But again, I am, and I'm fine.
Mike [02:15:55]:
Definitely.
Eldar [02:15:56]:
Yeah. That's why the task that he gave us to fucking try to achieve for him is crazy.
Mike [02:16:01]:
One.
Vemir [02:16:02]:
But you cannot. No, you're setting the woman up for disservice by.
Mike [02:16:11]:
He's on another level, bro.
Tommy [02:16:13]:
You're setting the woman.
Mike [02:16:14]:
No.
Eldar [02:16:15]:
Why? If he's telling me, look, Aldar might.
Vemir [02:16:19]:
Need to step in the chain, then that's the problem.
Eldar [02:16:21]:
Help me here.
Vemir [02:16:22]:
No.
Mike [02:16:23]:
What? I'm here.
Eldar [02:16:23]:
We have to be honest with the woman. Presenting his character as to who he is.
Vemir [02:16:28]:
Why isn't he doing that?
Eldar [02:16:30]:
Because he can't.
Vemir [02:16:31]:
Of course he.
Mike [02:16:32]:
No.
Phillip [02:16:32]:
No.
Eldar [02:16:32]:
Who told you this?
Mike [02:16:33]:
Phil, tell me.
Vemir [02:16:34]:
Thousands of men have overcome this.
Mike [02:16:36]:
Asking.
Phillip [02:16:36]:
You guys are talking about rejection and other things. I think if you ask him straight up, like, do you actually want to pursue somebody? I would question whether he wants to actually do it or not. I don't think he wants to do it. You guys have told me that he's talked to women before in the past, that he's able to go up to women. So he's definitely either at a conflict with himself where I'm taking the thinking.
Tommy [02:16:56]:
Out of it entirely.
Mike [02:16:57]:
Okay.
Phillip [02:16:58]:
So wherever you're at now compared to.
Tommy [02:16:59]:
Where you were, and I was wondering, women, how do you do this without isolating? Ended up ending up disappointment, ending up in disappointment and having horror story dates.
Mike [02:17:07]:
Okay?
Tommy [02:17:07]:
And that's what I'm afraid of. That's the sole thing that I'm afraid of.
Mike [02:17:11]:
Why?
Tommy [02:17:12]:
A complete waste of fucking time. A complete waste of fucking time and money. If my friends make some kind of.
Phillip [02:17:24]:
Judgment right now in their encounter with somebody else without anybody's help, he does.
Eldar [02:17:28]:
Not want to do it.
Phillip [02:17:29]:
He doesn't want to be in one.
Vemir [02:17:30]:
Philip, let me ask.
Phillip [02:17:31]:
So as a result of him not knowing what is or what's not going to be as a result of what he just brought up, he does not want to pursue a relationship right now. That's what I but I have a.
Eldar [02:17:42]:
Question, and that's admirable.
Vemir [02:17:45]:
Why do you think that they know you better than you?
Tommy [02:17:48]:
Opening up to trusting my friend's judgment?
Eldar [02:17:50]:
Yeah, that's fucking crazy to me.
Tommy [02:17:52]:
I feel good about it, actually.
Eldar [02:17:54]:
That's crazy.
Tommy [02:17:56]:
I think it's smart, too, because it's, like, smart.
Eldar [02:17:58]:
You hear the shit?
Vemir [02:17:59]:
How is it smart?
Eldar [02:18:00]:
How do they. It is fucking smart. Because we know him better than he doesn't know himself. We know how to introduce him to somebody else better than he can introduce himself. You know, they're being honest.
Mike [02:18:15]:
Yes.
Mike [02:18:16]:
We're not being sarcastic.
Eldar [02:18:18]:
He almost has to be.
Vemir [02:18:19]:
There's no way that you can know someone better than they know themselves.
Eldar [02:18:23]:
You know what I'm talking about. And what I'm trying to go with.
Tommy [02:18:25]:
What I'm trying to say is if, for example, confused.
Eldar [02:18:29]:
But we also trying to shape a very specific thing. So in order for him to get into it, he needs to trust us. It's crazy. It's a crazy conundrum. I have to think about this more, Tom. I can't believe you said, I'm still.
Vemir [02:18:45]:
Curious about what I said myself.
Tommy [02:18:48]:
I'm still trying to figure this shit out, too.
Eldar [02:18:50]:
That's a crazy phenomenon, Tom. Why?
Mike [02:18:52]:
Because I am a little weirdo.
Vemir [02:18:54]:
Yeah.
Tommy [02:18:55]:
And that's what's up. That's just what's at hand right now.
Mike [02:18:57]:
That's what we're talking about. You're a lot.
Tommy [02:18:59]:
And Mike's got huge ostrich nuts.
Mike [02:19:02]:
And this thing has been doing. No, flapping it for, like, 100 days.
Eldar [02:19:07]:
That's dead.
Mike [02:19:08]:
You got to go home and wank.
Eldar [02:19:09]:
It, jerk it as hard as possible.
Mike [02:19:11]:
Six, seven times a night. Crabs in a bucket. You can't get me down some.
Mike [02:19:15]:
But you haven't done it in 100 days.
Mike [02:19:17]:
Yeah, that's why his brain is, like, shrinking.
Vemir [02:19:20]:
Not religious privilege.
Anatoliy [02:19:22]:
He says it. Religious?
Vemir [02:19:24]:
Not religious what? Religious transmutation of power.
Anatoliy [02:19:29]:
Yeah. I'm not viewing this as, like, I.
Vemir [02:19:32]:
Got to go in ten minutes, but my friend's picking me up.
Eldar [02:19:36]:
Sorry to hear that. What did you say?
Anatoliy [02:19:40]:
I'm definitely not viewing it as, like, such a big thing.
Mike [02:19:43]:
But that's crazy to me, bro.
Eldar [02:19:44]:
But what's crazy to you? Okay, you ready for this phenomenon?
Tommy [02:19:48]:
He's fucking afraid that someone is going to love him, too.
Eldar [02:19:50]:
And prideful individual is asking for help, external help, in order to do something.
Mike [02:19:56]:
Very personal and private.
Anatoliy [02:19:58]:
For what? Like an introduction to a first date?
Eldar [02:20:01]:
Not introduction, but, like the date to go over there and to be in a very. Are you okay for me to go like, yo, totally.
Mike [02:20:07]:
You go say hi to her or go date her right now.
Mike [02:20:10]:
Are you okay with that?
Eldar [02:20:12]:
No, that's a crazy thing. You go like, elder. Are you fucking crazy? You're going to say elder, what the fuck?
Anatoliy [02:20:19]:
I'm not doing talking about arranged marriage first.
Eldar [02:20:21]:
But it's the same shit.
Tommy [02:20:22]:
It's arranged date.
Eldar [02:20:24]:
Are you an arranged date for me or Mike?
Vemir [02:20:26]:
Tom, do you love yourself?
Eldar [02:20:29]:
Yes.
Mike [02:20:31]:
No, he's not.
Eldar [02:20:33]:
It's a big fucking thank you. Why the fuck did this motherfucker come up with? This is my problem.
Vemir [02:20:41]:
It's the same thing as before. Relinquishing your own free will, it's a huge sin.
Mike [02:20:47]:
What?
Vemir [02:20:48]:
It's a huge mistake.
Eldar [02:20:49]:
What you mean huge mistake? It sounds like a humbling. Humility.
Vemir [02:20:52]:
You should search for the highest amount of freedom you possibly can. Restricting yourself prematurely is a mistake.
Eldar [02:20:58]:
No, not if you're a fucking sinner.
Mike [02:21:01]:
You know that you're not competent.
Vemir [02:21:03]:
You're saying he's like dangerous to people?
Eldar [02:21:05]:
Oh, yeah.
Vemir [02:21:06]:
What are you talking about?
Mike [02:21:08]:
Totally.
Anatoliy [02:21:08]:
He just scarves down two donuts without.
Eldar [02:21:11]:
Asking anybody if they want any.
Vemir [02:21:15]:
That's checkmate. That's the first checkmate.
Mike [02:21:17]:
I don't know.
Eldar [02:21:17]:
Totally. Yes or no? Is he a dangerous person?
Vemir [02:21:20]:
He's a salvage pig that if you're saying that, then he shouldn't date now.
Eldar [02:21:25]:
No, he shouldn't date, but he should.
Mike [02:21:28]:
Leave with the truth.
Eldar [02:21:29]:
No, he has to leave with us.
Mike [02:21:31]:
Tell us.
Eldar [02:21:32]:
Look, we have to co sign this bitch. This is crazy, yo. This is crazy. You know what? You know what? When he dates, we have the horse in the race.
Mike [02:21:47]:
Now.
Eldar [02:21:48]:
If I co sign somebody, if he might co sign somebody. If Tony co signs somebody.
Vemir [02:21:52]:
Yo, fake clout.
Eldar [02:21:54]:
We want to make sure that this motherfucker is up to the part in order to fucking be in that relationship properly. Because now we care for that girl because we have fucking the best interest, her interests at heart. We're going to fucking be so strict with him. Like, are you crazy? Are you crazy?
Vemir [02:22:10]:
But that would work with someone who already wants to change.
Eldar [02:22:13]:
That's what he's saying.
Vemir [02:22:15]:
Tom, you think this accountability.
Eldar [02:22:16]:
Hold on.
Tommy [02:22:17]:
I need to, like, right now. I just need to process that for a second.
Eldar [02:22:21]:
You might not understand what you're signing up for, bro.
Vemir [02:22:24]:
Saying, like, if you sign up for a girl to be introduced to you, they're going to make sure that your standard, that means that you want to change. You want to change as much as they will pressure you to change.
Mike [02:22:36]:
Oh, shit.
Tommy [02:22:38]:
The thing is, I'm actually avoiding.
Eldar [02:22:44]:
Tom. That's your.
Mike [02:22:44]:
Wait, hold on 1 second.
Tommy [02:22:46]:
I'm avoiding my own self destruction.
Eldar [02:22:54]:
With.
Tommy [02:22:55]:
My friends, like Eldar said. You said being involved and being witness to what you're trying to achieve in your life.
Mike [02:23:08]:
Witness greatness. LeBron James.
Eldar [02:23:10]:
You didn't say anything.
Tommy [02:23:12]:
You're trying to meet somebody and have a relationship. Yeah, okay, well, I can come in here and.
Eldar [02:23:18]:
Guys, the truth of the matter is, all we're trying to do is this for Tom. If he has a desire to meet somebody and be with somebody coherently and.
Mike [02:23:27]:
Coexist, for them to see Tom for who he is, and we're trying to bridge that gap, that's it.
Eldar [02:23:36]:
Because Tom is a weirdo. He accepts it, but he's not willing.
Mike [02:23:39]:
To leave with it.
Eldar [02:23:40]:
We can sell him better than he can sell himself in the moment.
Vemir [02:23:44]:
That's crazy. Sounds like a bandage, if I'm being honest.
Eldar [02:23:48]:
Fine, but he's asking for it. This is not something that. I didn't fucking come up with this.
Mike [02:23:53]:
He came up with this shit.
Eldar [02:23:55]:
It's a crazy phenomenon for me, but.
Vemir [02:23:57]:
It is a crazy phenomenon.
Eldar [02:23:59]:
It's a crazy phenomenon. I've never heard of this before. Somebody voluntarily to do this.
Vemir [02:24:02]:
Yeah, but I would reject it off principle.
Mike [02:24:06]:
Because of ego.
Vemir [02:24:07]:
Not because of ego.
Eldar [02:24:09]:
Why problem with it?
Vemir [02:24:12]:
To me, it's crazy. You're crippling the guy. You're putting him in a wheelchair when he can walk.
Mike [02:24:20]:
Expand on that.
Vemir [02:24:22]:
He needs to do the thing. Doing the thing is facing dates that are bad for as he.
Eldar [02:24:30]:
Why can't he do it?
Vemir [02:24:31]:
I'm saying not why. He needs to have the exposure therapy get rejected by women. Inquire, say, this is a learning experience. Why the fuck am I getting rejected? Why do women get a weird vibe when they meet me? Why is this shit happening?
Tommy [02:24:48]:
Once you introspect, this is actually really.
Vemir [02:24:51]:
Important, and you will stop lying to yourself. I used to be this alpha guy, demanded respect.
Tommy [02:24:57]:
While you might not see it, these guys do tend to see through a lot of the things that I do and still have good at heart rate.
Vemir [02:25:06]:
Does it penetrate? Doesn't matter. Does it penetrate?
Mike [02:25:10]:
Hear me out.
Tommy [02:25:11]:
Hear me out.
Vemir [02:25:11]:
He's trying what I'm trying to change.
Tommy [02:25:14]:
They still have my best interests at heart for me, whether I accept it in a moment or not.
Eldar [02:25:19]:
You see this? That's a crazy testimony.
Tommy [02:25:21]:
Now what you're asking is, why do I not have the best interest at heart for myself? Wherever it is and whenever it is that I'm trying to court other people? To date other people and meet them and make a strong connection. Well, you know what? Sometimes you got to get out of your head and allow yourself to just be and to just allow things to happen. Allow God to have his will.
Mike [02:25:46]:
Okay. You know what I mean?
Phillip [02:25:48]:
So is it like a guy going to a matchmaker, essentially saying, like, hey, I don't have time, or, I'm not capable of going on dates. I want to pay you as an expert to do this.
Mike [02:25:57]:
This is a service.
Eldar [02:25:58]:
A crazy thing, but this is a service. Yeah, but he's not even paying for it. He's saying, yo, I'm volunteering myself, sure.
Phillip [02:26:04]:
But I'm saying the concept is the same.
Tommy [02:26:06]:
But, Phil, maybe it's not your kind of service. Yes, maybe it's not your kind of service. It's not a kind of transactional service.
Mike [02:26:12]:
Oh, see this?
Eldar [02:26:15]:
No, I agree with him, guys. It's better. It's better.
Tommy [02:26:18]:
Eldar might joke about charging me $200.
Eldar [02:26:21]:
For a date anyway.
Mike [02:26:23]:
That's not how it's going to work.
Eldar [02:26:25]:
Listen, Tom, you know what I mean? Remind me of this shit, Mike, when I'm sober tomorrow, because this shit is profound to me, bro.
Mike [02:26:32]:
Interesting.
Eldar [02:26:33]:
It's profound.
Tommy [02:26:35]:
Listen, there is no imposing rules upon friends. Friends will be friends.
Eldar [02:26:41]:
Nobody held a gun to his head and say, yo, say this shit. He fucking volunteered himself to the fucking gauntlet. Gauntlet.
Mike [02:26:48]:
I agree.
Tommy [02:26:49]:
Why fucking witness me, bitches?
Mike [02:26:53]:
Maybe somewhere deep down he knows that he's a criminal and he can't trust himself.
Eldar [02:26:58]:
That's crazy.
Tommy [02:26:58]:
Listen, I'll let you off with a slap on the wrist today for fucking reversing your whole shit.
Mike [02:27:02]:
I had the greatest time on a.
Tommy [02:27:04]:
Date, but she was fucking rude, and she was disgusting and disrespectful, and that fucking made me feel like a God.
Eldar [02:27:10]:
You had three or four episodes ago, you had a pretty serious episode, bro. This right here got me fucking.
Mike [02:27:16]:
Fucking.
Tommy [02:27:17]:
Nobody can almost ring the bell level for sure.
Mike [02:27:20]:
Explain this.
Mike [02:27:21]:
Totally doesn't want to buy it.
Vemir [02:27:22]:
Explain this.
Eldar [02:27:24]:
That's what I'm saying.
Mike [02:27:28]:
I believe Tom. I take his word for it.
Eldar [02:27:31]:
Tom, I'm going to fucking test you, bro.
Tommy [02:27:34]:
Guys, the days of Pornhub love is.
Mike [02:27:36]:
Over for.
Eldar [02:27:44]:
What he just did to me. He just installed a thing in my head that I cannot see. And now every time I'm going to go and I'm going to survey the fucking population, I'm going to be like, yo, is that good for Tom?
Mike [02:27:54]:
That's what I'm going to do. It's crazy, bro. Yeah.
Tommy [02:28:00]:
Guys, honestly, I can't explain right now without fucking taking forever, like, why this is how my mind works.
Eldar [02:28:08]:
That's crazy, bro. You see what he's saying?
Mike [02:28:12]:
He's a total nut. What happened to you? When did you have this revelation?
Tommy [02:28:18]:
Guys, I want to be as much, like, arch right now as possible.
Mike [02:28:21]:
Yo, that's wild, bro.
Eldar [02:28:23]:
That's a crazy statement.
Tommy [02:28:24]:
This shit is fucking godly.
Mike [02:28:27]:
I think, yeah.
Mike [02:28:30]:
You understand what he fucking say something. He's trying to lead you to the promised land by doing it himself. By doing himself.
Eldar [02:28:39]:
What the fuck?
Tommy [02:28:42]:
For some reason, I don't know what it is, but when I tried dating, trying to lead by example, I fucking poisoned.
Mike [02:28:46]:
By doing what?
Mike [02:28:47]:
By humming himself.
Tommy [02:28:48]:
I mudy the water.
Eldar [02:28:49]:
I muddy the water. Sure.
Mike [02:28:50]:
To show that his own incompetence is getting his own way, my therapist would.
Eldar [02:28:54]:
Say, for me, I'm going to tell you right now, I rarely get flustered.
Vemir [02:28:57]:
Bonus shit.
Eldar [02:28:58]:
I got flustered.
Vemir [02:28:59]:
You got flustered? I got flustered by this fucking.
Eldar [02:29:03]:
This testimony.
Mike [02:29:04]:
I got flustered. Wow.
Vemir [02:29:06]:
We opened something up.
Eldar [02:29:07]:
That's what I'm saying.
Tommy [02:29:09]:
When I would complain to my therapist.
Eldar [02:29:11]:
You hear this shit?
Tommy [02:29:12]:
She would say, what you're doing is you have your hands in the mud and you're muddying the waters and you're not able to see clearly. You have to remove yourself from it, and you have to allow it to.
Eldar [02:29:24]:
You understand what he's doing? He's employing motherfuckers that are more competent, him outside of him, to make sure that he does the right thing. And if he does this, yes. Yo, something that, Mike is not a crazy responsibility here, bro. Mike, whoever heard what he's fucking saying, is a crazy responsibility, bro. I gotta be very careful on the shit.
Vemir [02:29:45]:
Do you think this can map to me?
Anatoliy [02:29:47]:
Map to you?
Vemir [02:29:49]:
Like, in what it says, me using this strategy?
Mike [02:29:55]:
I think it'd be very hard for you.
Eldar [02:29:59]:
That's a bad.
Mike [02:30:02]:
Comment.
Eldar [02:30:02]:
Yeah, that's bad.
Tommy [02:30:04]:
It's a fucking IRS auditor.
Mike [02:30:11]:
Because you got to understand that now it's on me.
Eldar [02:30:16]:
Now it's on you. What does that mean? Now it's on him. You understand? He took away the responsibility from himself.
Mike [02:30:24]:
We're going to find you a nice girl.
Eldar [02:30:26]:
What the fuck? That's crazy, bro.
Mike [02:30:33]:
The pressure is on us.
Eldar [02:30:35]:
Not on him anymore.
Mike [02:30:37]:
Yeah. Okay.
Vemir [02:30:38]:
My boy is outside.
Mike [02:30:41]:
Sorry to hear that because this shit is getting fucking spicy.
Vemir [02:30:45]:
Let me know how it ends up.
Eldar [02:30:46]:
Yeah, you got to listen to it.
Vemir [02:30:47]:
And I would love to know your last thoughts. Like, my preoccupation is holy.
Eldar [02:30:53]:
Where are you going right now? Can you explain this to me or why now?
Vemir [02:30:55]:
I was supposed to see my friend.
Mike [02:30:56]:
Yeah, but where are you going? Go with my friend. Where?
Mike [02:30:59]:
But it's more important. Yeah, no, it's important.
Eldar [02:31:02]:
But I told. No, but where are you guys going? Just like, I want to see what's Vermeer's fucking.
Mike [02:31:06]:
Probably some brews. Like, it's childhood friends.
Vemir [02:31:09]:
Just getting some beers in a bar, probably.
Mike [02:31:13]:
Okay, cool.
Tommy [02:31:13]:
Can we meet your friends?
Mike [02:31:14]:
No.
Tommy [02:31:15]:
Next time.
Eldar [02:31:16]:
Not yet.
Mike [02:31:16]:
Tom, wait.
Eldar [02:31:17]:
We have to meet your friends?
Vemir [02:31:19]:
You guys don't really have context outside of Bergen.
Eldar [02:31:21]:
Yeah, we don't. We don't.
Vemir [02:31:23]:
And it's nice that I'm tapping into a new group, but I don't feel like a stranger or anything. I don't feel like.
Eldar [02:31:27]:
It's like, bro, how many years we've been together?
Mike [02:31:29]:
Ten years.
Eldar [02:31:30]:
Ten plus years. I met you when you were fucking in charge of Philo Club. I was a teen. I was in charge of Philo club before you were in charge of the shit.
Vemir [02:31:39]:
Fucking insane, that's.
Eldar [02:31:41]:
How old are you now?
Vemir [02:31:43]:
20?
Mike [02:31:43]:
719.
Eldar [02:31:44]:
Bro, that's eight years easy. That's crazy. Almost nine years.
Mike [02:31:48]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:31:48]:
I've been there fucking from 2005.
Vemir [02:31:55]:
For what?
Eldar [02:31:56]:
How come you listen for me?
Vemir [02:32:01]:
Thank you, bro. Thank you, man.
Mike [02:32:03]:
Please.
Vemir [02:32:04]:
I like your feedback, whatever it is.
Anatoliy [02:32:06]:
Yeah, I don't think you're going to.
Eldar [02:32:07]:
Like my feedback life. Why you say? His ego. All right, cool. It was nice seeing you, bro.
Vemir [02:32:15]:
Goodbye.
Mike [02:32:16]:
Holy shit. Later.
Eldar [02:32:23]:
My only thing is this.
Tommy [02:32:24]:
It's a buzing moment.
Phillip [02:32:25]:
I didn't know he was 26.
Mike [02:32:26]:
He knows I'm the most important person.
Mike [02:32:28]:
I thought he was older.
Eldar [02:32:29]:
Oh, yeah.
Anatoliy [02:32:31]:
By everybody here.
Mike [02:32:31]:
Right?
Eldar [02:32:33]:
A lot of his perspective makes more sense.
Anatoliy [02:32:35]:
Okay, hold on. Did you see what happened or.
Mike [02:32:37]:
No.
Anatoliy [02:32:40]:
Mike knows it's funny. I know for a fact that this is what's happening. When I look at Mike and I.
Eldar [02:32:45]:
Know that he understands what's funny because.
Anatoliy [02:32:47]:
He is understanding what I'm saying. Vamir got up, said, like, dapped up. Mike first, went around everybody in the.
Mike [02:32:53]:
Room, got to the door and said, bye, Mike. No.
Eldar [02:32:59]:
Yes.
Anatoliy [02:32:59]:
And then I looked at Mike and.
Mike [02:33:01]:
I didn't even say a word.
Anatoliy [02:33:02]:
Mike is already laughing. And I'm laughing, and Mike knows what I'm laughing.
Eldar [02:33:10]:
Why does this happen?
Anatoliy [02:33:12]:
Yeah, I'm telling you.
Eldar [02:33:13]:
Do you know the fucking mechanism behind.
Anatoliy [02:33:16]:
Some weird shit going on?
Tommy [02:33:19]:
What are you doing?
Anatoliy [02:33:21]:
He said bye to him.
Eldar [02:33:23]:
Him and then you.
Phillip [02:33:24]:
And then I think, no, Mike gets two industry standards.
Eldar [02:33:29]:
I want to know the mechanism behind this fucking. He got all the way to the.
Anatoliy [02:33:32]:
Door, and before he closed, he said, bye, Mike.
Mike [02:33:34]:
No.
Phillip [02:33:34]:
He turned around and looked at Mike in the face and said, bye, Mike.
Anatoliy [02:33:37]:
And then I looked at Mike.
Mike [02:33:38]:
Yes.
Anatoliy [02:33:39]:
And then I looked at Mike, and I started to laugh. And he started to laugh, and he knew that I knew what's going on.
Eldar [02:33:44]:
Can you explain to me what the mechanism behind.
Mike [02:33:46]:
You guys have to understand. I am the prophet.
Mike [02:33:48]:
It.
Eldar [02:33:49]:
We know this.
Mike [02:33:49]:
But that's why I get extra attention.
Mike [02:33:51]:
Okay, fine. It's very simple. He said, bye, Mike twice. That's crazy.
Mike [02:34:00]:
You understand?
Eldar [02:34:03]:
You guys have to solve what Tommy.
Mike [02:34:05]:
Just fucking did to us.
Mike [02:34:07]:
I know what Phil is going to say next.
Phillip [02:34:09]:
Well, you got to see if he actually wants to put it to. Listen, listen.
Eldar [02:34:14]:
That's next step. I agree with you, Tom, because you.
Phillip [02:34:17]:
Can get to that level of frustration and say, like, yes, I do need help. I think it is.
Eldar [02:34:21]:
No, but I don't think he's frustrated. I don't think it came from frustration.
Phillip [02:34:25]:
Well, there has to be some sort of, like, you have to feel like you're inept at some level.
Anatoliy [02:34:29]:
But also we have to wait until he's accomplished writer, right? He said he doesn't want to date.
Mike [02:34:33]:
Until he's.
Mike [02:34:35]:
No, he doesn't want to date. But now it's different.
Eldar [02:34:38]:
You set the standards, Tommy, obviously, but what are your prerequisites?
Tommy [02:34:43]:
I think there's a very serious, like, I don't know. There's a very serious detachment.
Mike [02:34:52]:
When you.
Tommy [02:34:52]:
Have a private inner enemy like that where you're not sure if you can date. You're not sure if you're going to meet the right one. And it's not something many people are allowing themselves to air out. I think that can make people pretty angry. I remember I said, remember when I was telling the story about the redhead.
Mike [02:35:16]:
That I brought to Yp, the crockhead?
Tommy [02:35:22]:
I once brought a pretty cute girl, a girly, to meet my friends at YP. I said, a crackhead question mark. And here's what was going through. I got to explain this. I brought this girl with totally.
Eldar [02:35:37]:
You made an impression of Vermeer. Vermeer just said, yo, I was.
Mike [02:35:39]:
I really want to hear what you got.
Eldar [02:35:41]:
He's like, yo, no one talks to him like that.
Anatoliy [02:35:44]:
Yeah, because no one talks to him like that.
Eldar [02:35:46]:
Nobody always talks to him.
Anatoliy [02:35:47]:
They're afraid of his, like, nonsense rhetoric.
Eldar [02:35:51]:
So what do you have to say to him?
Mike [02:35:52]:
What?
Eldar [02:35:53]:
What do you have to say to him?
Anatoliy [02:35:54]:
To premiere?
Mike [02:35:55]:
Yeah. I mean, he's got to come back first he has to come back. Gigs up, though. He gigs up.
Eldar [02:36:03]:
You read him?
Mike [02:36:03]:
No.
Mike [02:36:04]:
The thing is, you guys, last time we had this very long podcast when he was here, me and him had a conversation outside for a little while after Pt.
Mike [02:36:12]:
Okay.
Mike [02:36:12]:
And I heard all this stuff.
Mike [02:36:14]:
Okay.
Mike [02:36:15]:
And I told him the same stuff that I said to him. Now that he's confused, he wants to figure out a way to date russian hookers, to be a millionaire, but also say like, hey, I'm a philosopher. That's not important. But the truth is that it is important. He's hiding.
Eldar [02:36:31]:
Why would somebody be hiding?
Phillip [02:36:35]:
Once he said his age, I think I know all of his, I think I know. Made sense to me. I didn't know he was this conflict.
Mike [02:36:41]:
I thought he was older, 60.
Eldar [02:36:44]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [02:36:47]:
35.
Phillip [02:36:48]:
Yeah, I thought he was 34, 30.
Eldar [02:36:50]:
He's weather, though young.
Phillip [02:36:53]:
Everything he says in his mindset to me at 27 makes total sense.
Mike [02:36:58]:
I don't have any.
Eldar [02:36:58]:
Oh, that was a race car outside.
Tommy [02:37:00]:
Wow, Bill, you're surprisingly forgiving of his.
Phillip [02:37:03]:
Well, yeah, because at 27, I totally get that. That's a very common mindset. At 35, that's not like for somebody.
Mike [02:37:10]:
Who'S like, as a person who wanted to always combine the philosophy and also be running amok, he's in the place that I understand.
Phillip [02:37:19]:
Yeah, I understand that you always want.
Mike [02:37:21]:
To combine, like, being this good person, but also running amok everywhere else.
Mike [02:37:25]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:37:25]:
Is it because philosophy is not enough?
Mike [02:37:31]:
I'm going to have to use this.
Mike [02:37:32]:
One, but it doesn't mean anything.
Mike [02:37:34]:
I'm just going to say, it might.
Eldar [02:37:35]:
Be Dr. K, okay.
Mike [02:37:37]:
But it doesn't mean anything.
Mike [02:37:38]:
Okay.
Mike [02:37:39]:
Dr. K is a sinner, and he.
Mike [02:37:42]:
Doesn'T want to be a sinner, but.
Mike [02:37:45]:
He knows he deserves the punishment that.
Mike [02:37:46]:
He'S receiving only when he thinks.
Mike [02:37:50]:
Only when he thinks. He knows that he, to me, it's.
Phillip [02:37:53]:
Totally a pleasure thing. Yeah, the pleasure play far outweighs it.
Eldar [02:37:58]:
Why he doesn't have enough, but why.
Phillip [02:38:00]:
He doesn't have enough experience and he ain't about it.
Mike [02:38:04]:
He's not about that life.
Phillip [02:38:05]:
He's not ready to make his idea of himself. He's not ready to fully commit to that thing yet. He needs to experience all.
Mike [02:38:13]:
The thing is, this gets by with those people that hangs out with their work, this act of this, like, oh, I'm very peaceful, very calm philosopher.
Mike [02:38:23]:
He stepped in shit here.
Mike [02:38:24]:
He came to the wrong group to give a spiel.
Mike [02:38:27]:
That's what happened. Oh, maybe the right group, if he takes the right actions, yeah, takes the medicine.
Mike [02:38:35]:
The thing is, those people that hangs out with, they don't challenge him. They're like, oh, he is here. We're like, wait, this doesn't line up.
Eldar [02:38:47]:
So, Mike, reflect on what your question was.
Mike [02:38:51]:
Was there to reflect on if you want to learn through experience. You're a dummy. You're motherfucking dummy.
Eldar [02:38:58]:
You asked a sick conclusion.
Mike [02:39:01]:
But if you want to continue, then you should.
Mike [02:39:05]:
Do you understand that? This motherfucker said, yo, I still can't.
Tommy [02:39:08]:
Wait 1 second. What did you say? What was your.
Mike [02:39:11]:
I said that if you want to learn through experiences, then you should continue to be a motherfucking dummy. But after the conversation, I realized that you don't have to learn through experiences. It's only how big your ego is. Is what's required for you to learn. The bigger ego, the more painful the experience.
Eldar [02:39:27]:
Yes.
Mike [02:39:28]:
And the longer the learning.
Eldar [02:39:30]:
That's crazy. Say that again. Where's my phone? Oh, my phone's over there.
Mike [02:39:34]:
Say it again so I can remember it.
Mike [02:39:36]:
The bigger you think I know what I said. Fucking, I'm flowing here, bro.
Eldar [02:39:40]:
Yeah, you are.
Mike [02:39:42]:
The bigger your ego, the more the painful.
Eldar [02:39:44]:
The worst experience.
Mike [02:39:45]:
Worse the experience is, the longer you have to suffer.
Mike [02:39:48]:
Shit. And.
Mike [02:39:52]:
That'S what happened to me. I'd suffer for a very long time because I was egotistical about what I thought was doable. Trying to make this utopian lifestyle for myself.
Mike [02:40:01]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:40:03]:
And that's why I suffered for a very long time. And a lot of nice girlies are passed up on the opportunities. This girl's washing my back. Washing my back?
Vemir [02:40:13]:
Where was she washing your back?
Mike [02:40:15]:
In her house.
Eldar [02:40:16]:
In her house?
Mike [02:40:17]:
I used to come over her house and she used to wash my back.
Phillip [02:40:23]:
Not the one that you were just out with.
Mike [02:40:25]:
Not eto.
Phillip [02:40:26]:
No, I thought you're talking about the.
Mike [02:40:28]:
One that I dated this girl from fairlong.
Phillip [02:40:30]:
No, I thought you're talking about the girl you met.
Mike [02:40:32]:
I was like, oh, shit. But I'm saying, like, part of that, you miss opportunities where good people that come in your life that actually have a potential to care for you, that can show you genuine love. You pass them up because you're just a piss pig.
Mike [02:40:45]:
You're a piss pig.
Mike [02:40:47]:
Your ego is so big, you think you deserve more. You trying to fucking achieve this.
Mike [02:40:51]:
Like you talking to talking unrealistic thing.
Phillip [02:40:55]:
Passed up great ones. Yeah, because they probably had small little defects.
Mike [02:41:03]:
That's small.
Eldar [02:41:03]:
Nippies.
Mike [02:41:04]:
Right?
Mike [02:41:04]:
Nippies.
Vemir [02:41:05]:
They couldn't give me 16 kids like penny penguins. Penguins.
Mike [02:41:17]:
You love penwoods you like small nippies, though?
Eldar [02:41:20]:
Nippies?
Phillip [02:41:22]:
I would go dime to nickel. Like maximum. Like anything. Like what?
Vemir [02:41:32]:
Sound like huge nips.
Mike [02:41:34]:
Sound like massive nips.
Phillip [02:41:39]:
I have friends that like big nipples and, like, big vaginas. Yeah, juicy ones. I didn't realize it was a personal preference.
Vemir [02:41:47]:
They have this thing.
Phillip [02:41:48]:
I didn't know this. And some of my friends, so they're.
Mike [02:41:50]:
Like the dumbo ears, like the rose beef sandwich.
Phillip [02:41:55]:
Like the big, big, juicy ears. Like juicy. Yeah, juicy flappers. And then, like big fujas. Yeah. I didn't know it was a personal thing.
Anatoliy [02:42:05]:
The real question is, do you think Vamir comes back?
Eldar [02:42:09]:
Of course.
Mike [02:42:09]:
He always comes back. Yeah.
Phillip [02:42:11]:
No, you didn't hit him hard enough at all.
Eldar [02:42:16]:
I think he was honest about saying, hey, I'd like to hear more because he's poking at like, hey, that's the door. That's the door.
Phillip [02:42:25]:
If you fully unleashed on him, I would say probably not for a while. But you gave him, like, maybe 5%.
Eldar [02:42:32]:
You didn't give him nothing.
Mike [02:42:34]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:42:35]:
If you gave him the full amount, then I can question whether he'd come back or not.
Anatoliy [02:42:38]:
Yeah, no, this is definitely, like a build up. He's been pissing me off for a long time.
Eldar [02:42:45]:
That's funny. You know what I'm talking about. I know what you're talking about.
Mike [02:42:47]:
Yes.
Phillip [02:42:47]:
No, I like to see it. Now that I know his age, now I have a different perspective.
Eldar [02:42:53]:
Fucked up, Philip.
Phillip [02:42:54]:
No, that's a big difference. Because if I think that you're a certain age and you're presenting yourself like a certain way.
Mike [02:43:01]:
A monk.
Eldar [02:43:01]:
Like a 48 year old monk.
Mike [02:43:04]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:43:04]:
I'm almost like, kind of giving him the benefit of the doubt in some ways, because I'm like, okay, he saw life. Yeah, but he definitely did not. And his friends that he's going out.
Eldar [02:43:14]:
With, he's pumping smoke up. There's ass.
Phillip [02:43:16]:
Yeah, there's definitely a disconnect with our group and theirs and how they perceive him.
Eldar [02:43:20]:
He finally met his match.
Phillip [02:43:22]:
Yeah, I don't think he can hide in this one.
Mike [02:43:24]:
Okay.
Phillip [02:43:24]:
But, yeah, I'd like to see that battle.
Mike [02:43:25]:
That'd be a nice. Hold on.
Tommy [02:43:28]:
Childhood friends at 27.
Eldar [02:43:33]:
Tom.
Phillip [02:43:34]:
He's not hooking up with him.
Eldar [02:43:35]:
Tom, you could stay silent for the rest of the year, and I'll still esteem you very high. Based on what you said today, I.
Anatoliy [02:43:41]:
Would esteem him 20 x as high if he was able to remain silent for the.
Eldar [02:43:44]:
That's what I'm saying.
Mike [02:43:47]:
Agree.
Eldar [02:43:47]:
It's not possible. It might not be possible. But I'm telling you, it's crazy.
Tommy [02:43:53]:
Crazy.
Eldar [02:43:54]:
I've never thought about that. That's why maybe that somebody was able to surrender themselves and put themselves on a chopping block.
Anatoliy [02:44:02]:
No, but I think saying that and doing that are two different.
Eldar [02:44:04]:
I agree.
Tommy [02:44:06]:
Do you guys hear yourselves? You guys sound fucking ridiculous.
Mike [02:44:10]:
He said, you can't do it.
Eldar [02:44:11]:
He said, you can't do it. He said, you can't do it.
Mike [02:44:14]:
I think it's very hard.
Tommy [02:44:16]:
Look at this guy. He's fucking lying down like a pancake.
Eldar [02:44:19]:
My man lodged a very specific thing in our brains.
Tommy [02:44:23]:
The only thing that's lodged is t's ass in that fucking chair.
Vemir [02:44:28]:
Look at him, bro.
Tommy [02:44:29]:
He looks like that fucking. That fucking worm.
Eldar [02:44:32]:
We have to test his ass now.
Mike [02:44:34]:
We have to test his ass.
Eldar [02:44:35]:
You're right.
Mike [02:44:35]:
Totally. We have to test him.
Mike [02:44:38]:
We have to feed these guys. They're getting out of control. I can see they get antsy. Yeah, the food references are coming out of there.
Eldar [02:44:45]:
Mike, you started this fucking conversation with, hey, can I fucking learn?
Anatoliy [02:44:50]:
And if you start him, you must finish him.
Mike [02:44:52]:
Is this Mike, part eleven?
Eldar [02:44:55]:
Listen, are you throwing the alius to Denis, y'all? Because he's gonna try to. Oh, what is this fucking title? You know what I mean? Listen, Dennis, I think Mike, parfait.
Mike [02:45:04]:
Make it very simple for Mike.
Eldar [02:45:05]:
Par six. Simple, please, for C. Yeah, we're having too much fun here.
Mike [02:45:11]:
Mike, you asked the question of, do.
Eldar [02:45:14]:
You have to learn through your experience? Do you have to always have the experience?
Mike [02:45:18]:
It was a rhetorical question.
Mike [02:45:22]:
But I.
Eldar [02:45:22]:
Wanted to give it. The general question of the topic is whether or not you actually learned from experience. Did you fucking learn from that experience?
Mike [02:45:33]:
No.
Eldar [02:45:34]:
What did you do?
Mike [02:45:35]:
I solidified what I had learned already.
Mike [02:45:37]:
Okay. So what the fuck are you asking for? Put them in the bathroom.
Eldar [02:45:43]:
Yeah, put them in the bathroom.
Mike [02:45:45]:
Put me in the bathroom.
Eldar [02:45:48]:
What did you.
Mike [02:45:49]:
I think a person who's.
Eldar [02:45:51]:
What do you want to say?
Mike [02:45:52]:
I think a person who's learning or is not understanding, they're not able to understand how the process worked.
Eldar [02:45:58]:
Okay?
Mike [02:45:59]:
So I attributed to that learning was the moment that it clicked. But really, I didn't take into account all the other stuff that happened before.
Eldar [02:46:07]:
But why were you posing the question in the first place?
Mike [02:46:10]:
Because Phil was talking shit and I.
Mike [02:46:12]:
Just wanted to go around and fuck shit up. What did I say?
Mike [02:46:15]:
I had a lot of fun in that experience because I was to be myself.
Mike [02:46:18]:
I agree.
Mike [02:46:19]:
And I was like, yo, I want to continue this, but Phil is saying, like, yo, you shouldn't I'm like, wait, this doesn't add up. Yeah, but I wanted to say, yo, I want to still go around, have fun, fuck shit up, talk shit to these crazy girlies.
Phillip [02:46:33]:
Yeah, but see, Mike is different from me because Mike, to me, values love and relationship a lot differently. And if you do know this.
Mike [02:46:42]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:46:43]:
Can you go out there and can you learn? But why would you waste your time around these type of women if these aren't going to be the type of women you're going to have?
Eldar [02:46:50]:
But why would you not? Because of the fact that he's learning and enjoying himself in the first place.
Mike [02:46:55]:
I'm having a lot of fun in the process.
Eldar [02:46:57]:
If he is able to have fun, what are we doing here?
Tommy [02:47:00]:
Yeah, I don't have that. I just don't have that.
Phillip [02:47:02]:
Yeah, which is why he's not trying.
Eldar [02:47:06]:
No, that's what he's saying.
Phillip [02:47:08]:
No, that's what he's saying.
Mike [02:47:09]:
No, the reason I want to go back to it now is because I want to have fun.
Mike [02:47:12]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:47:12]:
Because I had a lot of fun. And I said initially I learned a lot, but I learned a lot. And I also solidified a lot.
Phillip [02:47:20]:
No, but he wants to find.
Eldar [02:47:22]:
I'm excited for him to go out there and have this fun.
Phillip [02:47:26]:
Yeah, but he wants to find love in a relationship. I think that.
Vemir [02:47:29]:
Sure.
Eldar [02:47:30]:
But before that, I think he has.
Mike [02:47:32]:
To go out there and have fun. Yeah.
Phillip [02:47:34]:
Now you came to that conclusion, and.
Eldar [02:47:36]:
The motherfucker and the girl that understands.
Mike [02:47:39]:
His fun is the one. Right.
Phillip [02:47:42]:
So now it's a totally different.
Mike [02:47:46]:
I.
Phillip [02:47:46]:
Want to get the relationship, and fun has to replace that. But I'm saying before this, Mike's mindset was, I want to find the relationship. I want to find love.
Eldar [02:47:53]:
Correct.
Mike [02:47:53]:
Okay.
Phillip [02:47:54]:
No, so that's what I'm saying. My advice was coming from the place of, like, you want this thing, I.
Mike [02:48:00]:
Want to have fun.
Eldar [02:48:01]:
Then why do you want to do this?
Phillip [02:48:02]:
So now we came to the conclusion Mike did not know that he was going out with these type of women that weren't right for him. He just did not know. That's why I thought that it was a waste of time.
Mike [02:48:13]:
Okay, but if you're now saying, now I can have fun with this, that's different. And whatever happens is going to happen. I may meet the one, I may have fun, but either way, it's a win.
Eldar [02:48:24]:
Yeah. He has to immerse himself in this fucking world and go out there and just fucking clip away at every single one. The baddest of the baddest of the baddest. Of the baddest. He has to go out there, present himself as who he is, and see who fucks with it, who doesn't.
Mike [02:48:42]:
And we're pans. That's like, magnify my ashish nuts.
Mike [02:48:47]:
Yes.
Eldar [02:48:54]:
I got you, Tom. Hey, Thomas. It's a crazy conundrum because Mike's journey is so different from Tom's journey. So, Tom, do I have to skip you on the final thoughts or.
Mike [02:49:04]:
No, I have a joke for my final.
Tommy [02:49:09]:
Knock knock, guys. You're going to like this. My ALP told me this joke while we were on our road trip. There's a plane. It's going down. They've thrown everything off the plane to shed the weight. And the pilot says we have to throw one person off, basically, right?
Mike [02:49:37]:
So they like the old school joke.
Tommy [02:49:39]:
So they draw straws to see who has to go off. So they draw straws. The guy with the shortest straw, he has to jump. He's like. And so they draw again or whatever, and he's like, wait, one last chance. I'll jump on this condition that you guess how many balls I have. He was a guy with one ball, right? So you guess how many balls I have. How many balls are between us? And the guy was like four.
Tommy [02:50:11]:
So he pulled down his pants to show that he had one ball, and the other guy pulled down his pants and he had three.
Eldar [02:50:24]:
Holy fuck.
Mike [02:50:25]:
Tom.
Mike [02:50:28]:
You can understand.
Eldar [02:50:31]:
Why does he laugh like a fat person? You know what I'm talking about, Mike?
Phillip [02:50:37]:
The smart joke.
Anatoliy [02:50:39]:
I only met one person that laughs like this.
Eldar [02:50:41]:
You know what I'm talking about? Or no, you know who I'm talking about?
Mike [02:50:45]:
No, I have no idea.
Phillip [02:50:50]:
This guy knew he had one. Some kind of intelligence on the.
Mike [02:50:54]:
From the Vioski also laughs like this.
Eldar [02:50:59]:
Joe Brand. Did he just say Joe Brand?
Mike [02:51:06]:
Yeah. Remember Joe Brandt?
Eldar [02:51:08]:
Elder, you remember that guy?
Mike [02:51:10]:
Holy shit.
Eldar [02:51:10]:
That guy is whatever you just said.
Mike [02:51:13]:
Double that.
Eldar [02:51:14]:
Don't incorporate that in your final thoughts, please.
Tommy [02:51:17]:
I liked it, actually.
Mike [02:51:18]:
Can you. I liked it.
Anatoliy [02:51:20]:
What?
Eldar [02:51:20]:
Yeah, I liked it. Which part?
Anatoliy [02:51:21]:
There was no part about it that was remotely funny.
Mike [02:51:24]:
No, I liked it.
Eldar [02:51:25]:
You would have to be suffered. It's a silly drag through a desert.
Anatoliy [02:51:29]:
And threatened for your family to be killed to find that funny.
Eldar [02:51:32]:
It's like totally silly.
Mike [02:51:33]:
It's like a silly joke.
Anatoliy [02:51:36]:
I was waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.
Eldar [02:51:39]:
There was nothing funny about it.
Phillip [02:51:41]:
Yeah, like this guy knew the other.
Eldar [02:51:42]:
Guy had one ball.
Phillip [02:51:43]:
He had three balls. It's a nice, cute little joke.
Mike [02:51:46]:
Tom, if you ever say this out.
Eldar [02:51:48]:
Loud ever again, I'm going to strangle you myself.
Mike [02:51:50]:
Tom, I didn't mind. Sorry.
Tommy [02:51:52]:
I should have started with one ball.
Anatoliy [02:51:54]:
And I'll do the time for you.
Eldar [02:51:55]:
Okay, cool. Thank you.
Mike [02:51:56]:
All right.
Eldar [02:51:56]:
What the fuck? Totally.
Mike [02:52:01]:
Please. Final thoughts on Mike's conundrum that he.
Mike [02:52:05]:
Whoa, I didn't say about.
Anatoliy [02:52:07]:
I mean, I don't have any final thoughts.
Mike [02:52:08]:
You're trying to badger the witness.
Eldar [02:52:10]:
Listen, I said in general, totally doesn't have final thoughts. I have final thoughts. Mike, obviously, as a friend, I wish for you to learn not through experience, but through thinking.
Mike [02:52:21]:
You know what I mean?
Eldar [02:52:22]:
And experience will only solidify certain things for you, like it did before, like this time.
Mike [02:52:27]:
You know what I mean? Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Anatoliy [02:52:32]:
Think more and do less.
Eldar [02:52:34]:
Yeah, that's what it is. I agree. Are you stupid?
Mike [02:52:38]:
Do less.
Eldar [02:52:39]:
And if you out there in the.
Mike [02:52:41]:
Field experiencing certain things, enjoy it.
Eldar [02:52:43]:
And that's what it's for. I think it's for fun. It's to have fun. You know what I mean?
Mike [02:52:48]:
Have more fun.
Eldar [02:52:49]:
And the more fun you have, and if you can extract learning experiences from those fun times, that's awesome.
Mike [02:52:56]:
That's great.
Eldar [02:52:58]:
Sooner or later, you're going to come across a person who's going to be like, yo, you fucking up to something, and I like it, and that's going.
Mike [02:53:06]:
To be a good moment.
Eldar [02:53:09]:
Philip, please fucking say something coherent. That's not what fucking Tommy just said.
Anatoliy [02:53:14]:
And if you say you can't, that's even more admirable.
Mike [02:53:17]:
Yes.
Phillip [02:53:18]:
Wait, so far you said that you can't.
Mike [02:53:20]:
No, he's saying that if you say.
Eldar [02:53:23]:
You can't, that's okay.
Phillip [02:53:25]:
I know, but didn't he just say that he can't?
Eldar [02:53:26]:
He had no final thoughts.
Mike [02:53:28]:
He had none. Yeah. Why?
Phillip [02:53:29]:
Is there pressure on me to say something?
Mike [02:53:30]:
No, that's what I'm saying.
Anatoliy [02:53:31]:
It's more horrible if you just say, hey, I don't really have much to say.
Mike [02:53:34]:
Let's get the fuck out of here.
Mike [02:53:36]:
Oh, wow. You know what's happening here?
Mike [02:53:39]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:53:40]:
They're coagulating on a pizza move.
Anatoliy [02:53:43]:
I think we should all say a final thought. We have to say, bye, Mike on 3123. Bye, Mike.
Mike [02:53:52]:
Why are you guys saying bye to Mike?
Phillip [02:53:57]:
Tommy's got to put that to, um. If it was a profound statement, that was a crazy fucking thing, then it needs to be put into action. But we'll give him credit for putting.
Mike [02:54:11]:
Come out with something so close.
Eldar [02:54:13]:
Can you explain where that came from or no. Well, where the fuck did it come from?
Phillip [02:54:18]:
If there is a trust in the room, then there is something that he sees in the room.
Mike [02:54:27]:
Do you understand how profound that is as a person?
Tommy [02:54:32]:
I'll tell you something. With Vermeer in the room, I perceive Vermeer as having a kind of. I see my own struggle in him. I see what he's struggling with, and I'm aware of it. Okay, Tom, you get what I'm saying?
Mike [02:54:51]:
Yeah.
Tommy [02:54:52]:
So having him in the room, I.
Eldar [02:54:53]:
Almost want to keep reiterating what he.
Mike [02:54:55]:
Said himself in order to make sure he said what he said. I don't know.
Tommy [02:54:58]:
I'm just saying having him in the room and seeing that he's struggling with something that I've experienced and that.
Mike [02:55:12]:
Maybe.
Tommy [02:55:12]:
It'S, like, a little hypocritical or something.
Mike [02:55:16]:
I don't know.
Tommy [02:55:19]:
It's, like, unclear thinking in a way. You know what I mean? He goes off on these tangents and stuff. I'm very familiar with that. And it's not conducive to living a better life or living a happy life.
Eldar [02:55:33]:
That's crazy. If he's almost saying the path to.
Mike [02:55:35]:
Fucking that understanding is go through what he did. Okay. What? Wait, explain.
Eldar [02:55:42]:
Don't worry about that.
Anatoliy [02:55:43]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:55:44]:
Philip, finish your thought.
Phillip [02:55:49]:
Yeah, with Mike. I mean, I don't know if I discovered anything new with Mike, because I think we kind of had that talk today.
Mike [02:55:58]:
It wasn't necessarily about me. It was just a general thing for people to say.
Eldar [02:56:04]:
A lot of people say, oh, I.
Mike [02:56:06]:
Got to learn through my own experience. I'll learn through my own experience.
Mike [02:56:08]:
Right.
Mike [02:56:09]:
But that phrase, like, learn through other people's mistakes, I think that's undervalued. I was trying to bring light to.
Mike [02:56:18]:
That to see if it's the truth or if it's just like some bullshit that people say.
Mike [02:56:24]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:56:24]:
I guess making it clear that somebody who needs to learn through experience is probably very closed off and not willing to hear advice or wisdom.
Eldar [02:56:33]:
Agreed.
Phillip [02:56:33]:
And that person that can but has an easier path to figure out who.
Mike [02:56:38]:
They are and what is. But it might be that person's kind.
Mike [02:56:45]:
Of thing where they have to actually learn from that suffering because of all the mistakes they made in the sinning that he did.
Phillip [02:56:53]:
Well, yeah, I think that would be embodied in that person's ego.
Mike [02:56:59]:
Exactly.
Eldar [02:56:59]:
That's what he's saying.
Mike [02:57:00]:
Yeah. If you're a fist pig, you deserve.
Mike [02:57:03]:
To suffer like a fist pig.
Eldar [02:57:05]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:57:07]:
Because of all the choice that you made and the actions you had, you've earned the right to suffer in this.
Mike [02:57:14]:
Kind of stupid way.
Phillip [02:57:16]:
If you just trust in life then I would say that you would trust that if that person did Xyz and they're like I think Tolly was saying.
Mike [02:57:25]:
Before because life is very just. So if something happened to you, then you deserve that to happen to you.
Mike [02:57:30]:
Well, yeah.
Phillip [02:57:31]:
If you trust in that and that, you know that me as a person, I don't have to enforce something on you. If you did something you would prefer.
Mike [02:57:38]:
To enforce it though.
Phillip [02:57:39]:
I would, but I would trust that.
Mike [02:57:41]:
Life would kind of handle that.
Phillip [02:57:44]:
But I think in you as a person, if you're doing something I'm going to trust that it's going to come.
Mike [02:57:50]:
Out a certain way.
Phillip [02:57:52]:
And I don't think you're just going to be able to force yourself out of it. You're going to have to actually figure it out whether it is through experience like you're going to have to do or you had to do this time. But I don't think those words that are told to you on your path leading up to that experience, I don't think they go away. No, I don't think they're nothing. I think they do build up and if you do even have somewhat of a brain, I think they do sink in at some level. And as you're going through each step and maybe when you do hit that experience I think you do have something to go back on and be like oh yeah, all my friends were telling me this and I do remember this experience. So I don't think they go wasted for now.
Mike [02:58:32]:
No they don't.
Phillip [02:58:32]:
No, I think they mean something.
Mike [02:58:35]:
I think it's you maybe the earn.
Mike [02:58:37]:
Opportunity to unlock those lessons. As you get further away from the person who used to be to becoming a better person, living the right life.
Mike [02:58:48]:
You now can tap into those things.
Mike [02:58:50]:
That you've learned because you humble yourself.
Mike [02:58:54]:
But if you stay egotistical and you not willing to learn, you have to suffer for as long as you're maybe predetermined to suffer based on the choices you've made, the mistakes you've made.
Eldar [02:59:07]:
Yeah, it's almost like in reality we play out a predetermined you can't escape.
Mike [02:59:15]:
What you have earned, what you have deserved in your life.
Eldar [02:59:19]:
That's crazy, bro.
Mike [02:59:20]:
So in a way if you're going.
Mike [02:59:22]:
To be stupid, you're going to do these things that go violate yourself. Violate probably the first place is you violate yourself. You deserve for you to go and experience this. Now if you in that specific arena in other arenas, you maybe deserve to learn fast and you deserve to learn through knowledge and conversation and logic and reason, and you learn there, but in the other arena where you don't, you.
Mike [02:59:51]:
Will be dragged through the mud.
Mike [02:59:52]:
And that's what you deserve.
Mike [02:59:53]:
That's what just.
Mike [02:59:58]:
And I think that's pretty reassuring. That is reassuring because you're getting exactly.
Eldar [03:00:02]:
What you deserve if you only understand it.
Tommy [03:00:04]:
Right. That's as if. I think I can apply this. If one of you guys found a date for me and I didn't come through by going on the date, so you went out of your way to think about me and then I did.
Eldar [03:00:20]:
A show of cold.
Mike [03:00:21]:
Yeah.
Mike [03:00:22]:
Not going if you're being a pissing.
Mike [03:00:24]:
Yeah.
Eldar [03:00:27]:
That's why it's so profound of what he said. Yeah, it's profound.
Mike [03:00:35]:
I wasn't here.
Eldar [03:00:35]:
I never came across a voluntary matchmaking situation, aside from the cultural things that I've seen or studied, maybe about Indians or whoever did Muslims and stuff like that, cultures where amish people. Amish people.
Mike [03:00:50]:
Yeah.
Eldar [03:00:51]:
That say, yo, find me the person.
Mike [03:00:53]:
Yeah.
Eldar [03:00:55]:
There's some cute indian girls. That is very interesting. I wonder whether or not their traditions.
Mike [03:01:00]:
Are rooted in this.
Mike [03:01:01]:
I think there's something in arranged marriage, like in that thing. I think there's something in there where the people, they don't know you for.
Eldar [03:01:11]:
How you look, what you're just saying right now.
Mike [03:01:13]:
I think there's something in there. That's why it's big in our culture, because it's not about how you look. The people actually know your character.
Mike [03:01:20]:
Crazy.
Mike [03:01:20]:
But I think that's a big step.
Phillip [03:01:22]:
Why don't I put Tom on that show? The one where you don't know what love is?
Eldar [03:01:26]:
Blind love is.
Mike [03:01:27]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Phillip [03:01:28]:
That would be a great.
Mike [03:01:29]:
Tom, you're in.
Phillip [03:01:30]:
What if we put him on that show?
Eldar [03:01:31]:
We don't have to do shit.
Phillip [03:01:32]:
We just put him on the show.
Mike [03:01:34]:
Tom.
Phillip [03:01:34]:
Yeah, but, no, we don't try him out.
Tommy [03:01:36]:
I think it's different. You guys spend a lot of time laughing at those kinds of participants.
Mike [03:01:41]:
We love that show. Tom. Are you crazy?
Eldar [03:01:43]:
He wants to be taken seriously. I respect that, Tom. That's a good fucking response. Fuck Philip and his suggestion.
Tommy [03:01:52]:
Got you, bitch.
Mike [03:01:53]:
I'm Rick James, bitch.
92. The Complexity of Learning: Life's Experiences as a Crucial Teacher
Oct 20, 2023•3 hr 2 min•Ep. 92
Episode description
Can we trust advice that doesn't come from direct experience?
Dive into a profound discussion with hosts Eldar and Mike, alongside guests Phillip, Tommy, Anatoliy, and Vemir. This episode, we peel back layers on success, happiness, and the intricate dance of life's experiences. Discover insights on the struggle for recognition, happiness beyond visibility, and existential values shaping fulfillment. Join us as we reflect on humbling realizations in personal growth, debate experiential learning's irreplaceable value, and banter about arranged dating with a dash of humor.
We tackle deep topics like reincarnation, self-deception, sensitivity in relationships, generosity, and parenting—with a surprise joke to round off the wisdom and wit. Don't miss the lively interplay of ideas on authenticity, personal struggles, and the essence of being present. It's an episode that challenges perspectives and might just change the way you think about your own journey. Tune in for laughter, enlightenment, and the occasional off-the-cuff remark that only our eclectic mix of hosts and guests can deliver.
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