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91. Seeking Love and Contentment: International Dating Versus American Practices

Dennis Rox
Oct 13, 2023•2 hr 10 min•Ep. 91
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Do cultural values and personal upbringing shape our views on attractiveness and relationships, affecting the search for meaningful partnerships at home and abroad?

Hosts Eldar and Mike, along with guests Andrey, Phillip, Anatoliy, and Katherine dive into a myriad of topics centered around the search for happiness, understanding cultural differences, and dating dynamics in the US compared to other countries. They explore whether happiness is an internal journey or influenced by one's environment. Andrey brings attention to the value of experiencing cultures directly rather than relying on stereotypes or incomplete knowledge. The debate also covers motivations for traveling, with Phillip discussing the shift in dating market trends based on statistical data. 
Additionally, the episode touches on personal development, open-mindedness, and the authenticity of experiences in forming opinions. Safety, healthcare, and quality of life in various countries versus the US are robustly debated. Authentic conversations peel the layers of misconceptions and biases, especially regarding women in America and other countries. Andrey and Eldar challenge each other on the idea of American idealism versus the reality found in foreign countries, fueled by their rich personal experiences.

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Eldar [00:00:00]:
On this week's episode, a lot of times people are like, oh, why is this happening to me? It's happening for a very specific reason. You're just stupid enough to not be able to see it yet.

Mike [00:00:08]:
Eldaaaa, are you guys telling me that all of a sudden that in these other countries, these people are sitting around, they're doing philosophy club, they have all these great values, and all of a sudden America doesn't have them?

Phillip [00:00:17]:
Yeah, I think America on a value system is probably the lowest.

Andrey [00:00:21]:
Mike, you have a much better chance to find a faith full, reasonable, family oriented partner in certain countries.

Anatoliy [00:00:28]:
I don't need to eat shit to know it tastes bad.

Phillip [00:00:31]:
But how are you assuming that it's eating shit, though?

Anatoliy [00:00:33]:
Well, no, I'm saying that. I'm saying that I don't need to experience something to compliment on it.

Andrey [00:00:39]:
Well, you never experience it.

Eldar [00:00:41]:
I don't need to experience.

Andrey [00:00:42]:
I give more value to the person that went to it.

Eldar [00:00:44]:
You know what?

Andrey [00:00:44]:
It's not for me. I would give.

Phillip [00:00:46]:
I don't know. You just have a very claim, though.

Andrey [00:00:48]:
You have no stake in the claim, and you have no expertise in the matter.

Eldar [00:00:51]:
Totally never.

Mike [00:00:53]:
He did. I just watches international porn.

Eldar [00:01:05]:
You know what, Mike? That thing that you've experienced probably with this girl recently, right? As much as somebody who's from the outside world might see, like, oh, yeah, you were courageous or whatever for being the way you're being yourself and seeing things for what they are and stuff, right? It was your destiny. And the destiny came from the development and everything else, all the conversations, everything else, that it was inevitable. It was inevitable for you to experience.

Eldar [00:01:34]:
It the way you did experience it.

Eldar [00:01:37]:
And I think that going forward, at least these types of encounters, because you have a new ability, which you finally introduced to yourself, right? The ability to pay attention, to really be in the moment. You can actually tap in into this.

Eldar [00:01:54]:
New self, which is based on destiny.

Eldar [00:01:57]:
But it's only destiny because you're doing all this work.

Eldar [00:02:00]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:02:01]:
Yes or no?

Mike [00:02:02]:
Yeah. I mean, I was telling Toley or.

Eldar [00:02:05]:
Phil, I don't know you.

Mike [00:02:06]:
I said that in retrospect, you see how things align. Like, every piece that kind of came together, like that whole week and the days leading up to it and the things that happened that day. In retrospect, you're like, okay, this puzzle couldn't have pieced itself any other way. The little small details. But in retrospect, they look like this perfectly. Everything worked out.

Anatoliy [00:02:28]:
In general, things make sense in life.

Mike [00:02:32]:
It always makes sense, but it doesn't.

Eldar [00:02:34]:
Make sense to the person who's not.

Mike [00:02:35]:
Paying attention, who doesn't want to, who.

Eldar [00:02:37]:
Doesn'T want to pay attention, right?

Andrey [00:02:39]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:02:40]:
A lot of times people are like, oh, why is this happening to me? It's happening for a very specific reason. You're just stupid enough to not be able to see it yet. But if you're attentive enough, if you're really thinking you're paying attention, you come to these types of realization like Mike did.

Eldar [00:02:54]:
It all makes sense. So what almost happens then in this case is you can become your own oracle, right?

Eldar [00:03:05]:
I told you this.

Eldar [00:03:06]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:03:06]:
I said, bro, I know you're attracted to these women.

Eldar [00:03:11]:
I know how they are.

Eldar [00:03:13]:
I am not sure that you're going to be still attracted to these women based on what we're discussing here and based on what you're adopting to yourself now, right. These new belief systems and this new understanding, I am not sure if you're going to start using this knowledge to pay attention what's going on out there, if you're still going to be attracted. And guess what happened? He went out there.

Eldar [00:03:34]:
She was a baddie on paper, but she was the ugliest woman he ever met. What happened? Ishma dugger. He couldn't get his dick hard. What's going on? Yeah, and I think people are bad at.

Andrey [00:03:55]:
So you're saying you had more insight because you were as a third party observer.

Eldar [00:04:00]:
I didn't have a horse in a race, okay?

Eldar [00:04:02]:
Right.

Eldar [00:04:02]:
So I have the ability to view his situation unbiasedly.

Eldar [00:04:07]:
We've been working on this for a very long time. Right.

Eldar [00:04:11]:
And I kept saying, like, the jury is still out whether or not you.

Eldar [00:04:13]:
Actually are attracted to these women. You kept saying that you're attracted to these women, right.

Eldar [00:04:18]:
For a very specific reason, because you were very insecure about yourself or who you are. But if you remove that layer about yourself, that you're no longer insecure, you know who you are, you like your shit and you're able to be yourself. You're no longer a people pleaser or girl pleaser.

Eldar [00:04:32]:
Right.

Andrey [00:04:33]:
I've had similar conversations with Mike along.

Eldar [00:04:35]:
That.

Eldar [00:04:39]:
That'S why I was doubting whether or not he's still going to be affected by them the way he used to be affected by them. And when he fucking finally threw himself, this girl was like, right? You said, oh, yeah. On paper, she's like, oh, shit.

Mike [00:04:52]:
Very good looking, very like, up my.

Eldar [00:04:54]:
Alley, looks up his alley, everything, right? And then he's like, he had the opportunities to be able to continue the situation. He didn't want to.

Mike [00:05:03]:
I didn't want to.

Eldar [00:05:04]:
Yeah, naturally.

Eldar [00:05:05]:
Why get hard?

Mike [00:05:07]:
No, it couldn't get hard. I didn't want to have anything to do with her. It just felt like more of, like, an unpleasant burden.

Eldar [00:05:13]:
An unpleasant burden, bro.

Eldar [00:05:15]:
You understand?

Eldar [00:05:16]:
Imagine you fucking time her down right now and told her, yo, the time when you spent with him was he felt unpleasant burden. That's 100 years of depression, my man.

Phillip [00:05:27]:
He didn't want to share his boner with you.

Mike [00:05:29]:
No, that's over for you. I didn't just want to even share a piece of cake with her, you.

Eldar [00:05:35]:
Know what I'm saying?

Mike [00:05:36]:
I had a great time because I was on my own flow. I had a good night.

Eldar [00:05:40]:
He was by himself.

Eldar [00:05:41]:
I was, like, chilling, but I did.

Mike [00:05:45]:
Not want to continue hanging out with her. I didn't come in there like, oh, fuck, this is a shit night. I was like, I had a good time. I had some drinks. I had some laughs. But overall, it wasn't a pleasant interaction with this person because I got to see a lot of stuff that was not so attractive. Yeah, it was not attractive.

Andrey [00:06:07]:
I think you would be surprised at the type of person that you would surprise yourself that you could grow to be really attracted physically and mentally to that kind of person that you may never thought you would before.

Eldar [00:06:20]:
Thank you. Yeah, I've been telling them this.

Andrey [00:06:22]:
It's a very interesting phenomenon. Even as a guy, you think, oh, it's all looks and physical first. You'd be surprised. I think men are even more complex.

Eldar [00:06:31]:
If a woman makes you feel comfortable.

Andrey [00:06:34]:
Inspired, whatever you want to call it, you'd be surprised.

Eldar [00:06:37]:
Oh, yeah.

Andrey [00:06:38]:
And I think, guys, we're not that as good predictors of this woman will make us really attracted. Really? You'd be very surprised.

Eldar [00:06:46]:
But if you pay attention, like you.

Eldar [00:06:48]:
Said, you'd be fucking surprised. Yeah. No, but you'll have to pay attention.

Mike [00:06:53]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:06:54]:
And again, it comes back to the beauty of the beholder and all those fucking cliche little quotes.

Eldar [00:06:59]:
Right?

Eldar [00:07:00]:
Yeah, but it's the truth. He's right.

Mike [00:07:02]:
Yeah. He told me about his experience recently that he has this new girl that he's seeing, and she's not usually the type of girl that he goes for, but he really likes her because the.

Eldar [00:07:13]:
Way that that's right.

Mike [00:07:14]:
Their relationship is, and she cares for him and he cares for her, but it's a completely different that's right person than he.

Phillip [00:07:22]:
I've had more women in my life that I've had really good banter with and conversation and have fun. And I don't think I ever allowed it to get to the next level or because there wasn't, like, the physical.

Andrey [00:07:36]:
Thing there, so stopped it.

Phillip [00:07:38]:
And if I ever pursued anybody like that or it was a relationship where we had really good banter and it was fun and we'd have good time together, there was times where I definitely let the physical kind of label it as like, hey, we just didn't have physical chemistry. I remember this a lot of times.

Eldar [00:07:58]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:07:58]:
And I don't know if it's just maybe like a combination of. Maybe it just wasn't the right connection, but also if it was on me to say, hey, I needed a certain look to make me feel good because I'm coming from a place of insecurity and weakness versus if I'm coming from a place of strength and I just want to really fuck with you because you're cool, then the look doesn't really matter at all. Or is there a factor on the look also, where there has to be some kind of attraction? At what level do you allow it to run amok the other way and say, I need like, a ten where maybe you can say on a number scale, maybe I can do a five or a six where she's super cool and look doesn't become as important. What's the balance? Yeah.

Eldar [00:08:45]:
You guys trying to turn the whole.

Eldar [00:08:47]:
World upside down here with this theory?

Eldar [00:08:49]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:08:51]:
Damn.

Eldar [00:08:52]:
Yo, them ugly girls are listening.

Eldar [00:08:57]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:08:57]:
That's so ugly.

Eldar [00:08:58]:
No more Elda. What did you say, man? Elda, listen. No, what are you talking about?

Phillip [00:09:08]:
Listen.

Eldar [00:09:09]:
I'm talking about look.

Phillip [00:09:10]:
Within six is the new eight also.

Andrey [00:09:13]:
No, it's a huge myth that very attractive women have worse personalities. I think there's good and bad personalities in all, 100%. I think that's a big. That all attractive women are high maintenance or have a bad personality. I think that's a cope and a myth, I believe.

Mike [00:09:35]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:09:36]:
A lot of the good looking women that I've met usually have a very high level of insecurity. Men wouldn't assume where if you see that a woman is really good looking, you would assume, like, okay, she lives a certain lifestyle or she's confident, whether she makes her own money or she.

Andrey [00:09:52]:
Has insecurity to maintain a look and an image.

Eldar [00:09:55]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:09:56]:
To be perceived as this level of beauty all the time, there's a level of pressure on the girl.

Eldar [00:10:00]:
Yes.

Eldar [00:10:01]:
Correct.

Phillip [00:10:01]:
Kat, would you say that from a woman's perspective of the way that they perceive beauty versus a man? I'm saying that a woman like, this would probably be more of a sense of insecure because they have to keep up that image of buying the makeup, buying the clothes, going to the Pilates classes, and doing all this stuff to keep up this thing where the guy would just look at it and say, like, oh, she looks good. She's probably coming. Like, she's probably a very confident woman. I don't think a guy is going to question a model looking woman and say, like, oh, she's probably insecure. Right? I don't think that's a common thought.

Katherine [00:10:35]:
We typically, we wouldn't assume she's insecure, but a lot of times they can be. We carry so many.

Mike [00:10:41]:
Most people have that.

Katherine [00:10:43]:
Whether you look like, what's Adriana Lima? Or just a very average person, insecurity has nobody, has no limits. It affects a lot of people.

Phillip [00:10:55]:
But I'm saying, like, a typical man, seeing a woman like that, I don't think that's a thought that crosses their head. Like, elder, we're saying if a guy sees a model looking girl, that's objectively attractive, right?

Eldar [00:11:08]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:11:08]:
I don't think he's thinking like, oh, yeah, she's probably insecure. I'm thinking the guy. I'm saying the guy's thinking like, oh, she's coming from a very strong place.

Eldar [00:11:17]:
She's good.

Eldar [00:11:18]:
Secure is to pay attention to what?

Mike [00:11:19]:
Well, yeah, that's what I was going to say next.

Andrey [00:11:21]:
A lot of that comes from.

Katherine [00:11:22]:
You have to pay attention.

Andrey [00:11:23]:
You know where that comes from?

Phillip [00:11:25]:
Like the observation from the guy, that's your personal insecurity.

Andrey [00:11:30]:
Well, yeah, I was going to say, if you look at homo sapiens, like modern human history, whatever you want to call it, for like 95, 98, 99% of the time, probably a lot longer. We had these people where they were living in groups of 40 to 100 tribes. And during your entire life, how likely were you to see a young, fertile, untaken, attractive woman? Probably not very often. Think about it. And a lot of times this is where the approach anxiety comes in, is because you think you're going to screw it up. But that woman, you could be killed by the guy or something like that, by her father, by the alpha of the tribe or whatever you want to call it, but you're afraid to screw it up and all this stuff, because the opportunities you would see a woman like that would be very few. Whereas in the modern world, you would have an infinite ritual, like an infinite opportunity to see that.

Eldar [00:12:34]:
So thinking that the woman is more.

Andrey [00:12:38]:
Than a human or that this person is, you feel anxiety because you think that you're not attainable to her level.

Eldar [00:12:44]:
When in reality this person has probably.

Andrey [00:12:47]:
More insecurities than you.

Eldar [00:12:48]:
She's very attainable.

Andrey [00:12:49]:
Yeah, but that's what guys, even men that maybe don't have trouble with this. There's always that level of thinking. But it's an unfounded thing because our evolution was a very violent place where in general, if you said something to the wrong thing or whatever, you can be killed and there's no repercussions. That's why an attractive person, an attractive man would be like a provider type. Back then it was more of a physical strength. And that still carries over. Women still find big muscular physical because that whole thing is like the protector aspect of it. Everyone has this thing going up to this kind of person and over inflating their value in society more than they probably think of themselves.

Andrey [00:13:40]:
But that's an interesting, I think because if you look how people live in tribes and hunter gather, going from place.

Eldar [00:13:46]:
To place, dating back that far already, and still genetics is playing a role.

Andrey [00:13:51]:
Why do you think people go when they see, for example, if you saw an unattractive.

Eldar [00:13:56]:
We haven't been thinkers for a very long time.

Anatoliy [00:13:58]:
Come on.

Andrey [00:13:58]:
We haven't been what?

Eldar [00:13:59]:
Thinking for a very long time.

Andrey [00:14:03]:
The frontal part of the brain comparatively is 1% of evolution of the autonomic automatic part of the brain. But why do you think if you were to see, let's say, an unattractive woman, you don't have that heart rate response. You talk to her like talk to your brother, your sister. But if you see an objectively attractive woman, why do you think you feel a little bit more anxiety? There's no rational reason why you should. But why do you think that is? I think it's because back then, first of all, you had very few opportunities. And if somebody, she was.

Eldar [00:14:37]:
So you're a genetic simp?

Andrey [00:14:40]:
Yeah, well, genetic. Whatever like genetic or. Yeah, evolutionary.

Eldar [00:14:44]:
You're a genetic simp. You know what I'm saying?

Andrey [00:14:46]:
Yeah, and I think that's a good.

Eldar [00:14:49]:
Way to explain physical.

Andrey [00:14:51]:
Yeah, exactly. It's a physical physiologic response. But there's no rational reason.

Phillip [00:14:54]:
Well, by your nature.

Eldar [00:14:57]:
Well, I agree with that. You know what I mean? I think that ultimately what he's saying is that back then it was a fight or flight situation, right? Most of.

Andrey [00:15:08]:
And we carried over that fight or flight even to this day.

Eldar [00:15:11]:
But it's our anxiety until this day, we still have those crumbs that are left. Probably, but as soon as you start thinking. Right, like you said, rationally thinking. If you start really paying attention, what's actually going on? She probably has more anxiety than you do.

Phillip [00:15:27]:
Yeah, but what about if he's attaching it to your instincts to keep humanity going and create a baby? And if she's one of those only people and she's fertile.

Eldar [00:15:37]:
Right?

Phillip [00:15:37]:
And you're like, okay, I'm used to not seeing this. And then your instincts can continue. You're like, oh, man, I can carry my seed and create a baby with this person. And if I don't, I'm not going to be a father. I'm not going to be able to keep humanity going. I'm hearing that.

Eldar [00:15:53]:
What do you think of this?

Andrey [00:15:54]:
In this example, throughout evolution, only a minority of men have reproduced, but a majority of women have reproduced. So less than 50% of men, if you look at all time, have reproduced. But even though you would think one to one pair bonding.

Eldar [00:16:09]:
Right, right.

Andrey [00:16:11]:
But a majority of women. So only 40% of men are reproduced, but 65% of women, or 70%.

Eldar [00:16:18]:
Yeah, but are you taking consideration the statistics behind how many men actually had multiple women?

Andrey [00:16:25]:
Well, this implies that less men are breeding with more women. No, sure, but the ones that are.

Eldar [00:16:33]:
Breeding, they're breeding more women.

Eldar [00:16:35]:
Yeah.

Andrey [00:16:36]:
This is just a percentage of men. So less than 50% of men, the men that were reproducing, could have more children.

Eldar [00:16:42]:
Okay.

Andrey [00:16:43]:
And let me give you this other statistics, which has a bearing out in multiple surveys and studies right now. It's very crazy, actually, if you think about it. So men aged 21 to 39. Okay, this thing is what blew me away.

Eldar [00:17:00]:
This blew me away. All right, I'll help you out with this one.

Andrey [00:17:02]:
Okay, you can help me out. So, surveys, right? They're not perfect.

Eldar [00:17:06]:
Yeah, but.

Andrey [00:17:09]:
60% of young men are.

Eldar [00:17:13]:
Single, 21 to 39.

Andrey [00:17:15]:
Only 30% of women are single. Let that sink in. So, same age range, I think it's 25 to 39 or it's like 15 year young people. This is by admission, by surveys.

Eldar [00:17:31]:
So 60% of young men are single.

Andrey [00:17:37]:
They consider themselves singles, whereas only 30% of young women of the same age consider themselves as single.

Eldar [00:17:42]:
That means that less women, so more.

Andrey [00:17:45]:
Women are willing to share men. That's all it could mean. That's the only logical conclusion. And even not only, it's worse than.

Eldar [00:17:52]:
That, because the women are saying that they're not single.

Andrey [00:17:56]:
So they're implying that it's not just.

Eldar [00:17:58]:
Like a sexual thing, they're actually taken.

Andrey [00:18:00]:
Like they're in a relation or they think they are. So that's even worse. So more than half of the men are single young. There's a big epidemic of men, video games, pornography. There's less people that are dating and having sex and whatever, but that we.

Eldar [00:18:18]:
Kind of know because of whatever you.

Andrey [00:18:21]:
Want to call it, Internet. But the fact that, and this is multiple countries, too. So that 60% of young men are.

Eldar [00:18:27]:
Single by their own admission, but only.

Andrey [00:18:29]:
30% of young women are single by.

Eldar [00:18:30]:
Their own admission, that means back then.

Andrey [00:18:34]:
An average man would get together with an average woman, it would be fine. But now there's been a shift, for whatever reason, that women are willing, because women don't need men as much for financial security, for providing for whatever, you know, you know, these days.

Eldar [00:18:54]:
And that's one thing.

Eldar [00:18:55]:
But why are in America, this is statistical.

Andrey [00:18:58]:
In America or the world, this is in America. But I've seen it in multiple countries. Yeah, I can show it to you, but why are.

Eldar [00:19:05]:
I think that's what I was just.

Andrey [00:19:08]:
Saying before about the minority of men reproducing throughout history. Because women are more picky. They have to be, because again, 99.99% of the time, there's no birthings, there's nothing. If you have a child in you.

Eldar [00:19:22]:
You'Re vulnerable to pray.

Andrey [00:19:24]:
You have less food resources, you have less food yourself. So as a woman at that time, basically, but more women have passed their gene, more women are reproducing and less men are reproducing. And now we have this other statistic that's reproducible now is a majority of men consider themselves single young men, and only a minority of women consider themselves single. And multiple surveys are shown this. So what would be your conclusion from that? What are you assuming it's true?

Eldar [00:19:58]:
What are you worried about? Well, I'm not worried about it.

Eldar [00:20:02]:
I just think this shows what's fascinating to you about it.

Andrey [00:20:05]:
I think it's not really fascinating. I just think that it's interesting to me that men are so much more selective when it comes to mating options and breeding, whereas women have always been a lot more selective. And people think that it's always monogamy. It's always one to one. For me, it surprised me. But then I see these two examples, and I'm like, okay, well, it's not really surprising.

Eldar [00:20:27]:
I always thought that women were more selective. Yes, that's what I was always told also.

Andrey [00:20:33]:
But women now are willing to share the top 20, 30% of men. More. The majority of women are willing to share them. Do you think that was always the case yeah.

Phillip [00:20:42]:
So that doesn't make men more selective. That makes that because women are being more selective.

Eldar [00:20:48]:
Smarter. No, that sounds like women are smarter in this case.

Phillip [00:20:51]:
No, they're not. When they do these kind of stats, they ask women what they want, right. And they're like, okay, I want a guy who's going to make $100,000 and be six foot. And they show the statistics on this, right. And the statistics on these type of people that these women think they're going to get or want. They're like 0.1% of the population.

Eldar [00:21:11]:
But if they're getting it right, if they're getting it, that means they're making smart decisions based on what their value.

Phillip [00:21:16]:
Well, getting it and reproducing is very different. So what's happening, I think, with a lot of these statistics is that there are guys who are just sleeping with these women, and I think they're getting the hopes up and raising the standards of these women. And then these women are then saying, like, okay, now when I settle down, I want this because I had this. So the problem is these top whatever performing guys are fucking the whole system up for the bottom. Right? So then if you are not going up to women and playing the game of dating and doing all this stuff, now these women are saying, hey, I'm not waiting for these guys who maybe would be the good guys, or like, whatever. They're just sitting around the 60%.

Eldar [00:21:54]:
But that's natural selection, it sounds like.

Phillip [00:21:56]:
Yeah, what I'm saying. I don't think men in that are being more selective. I think they're just being weeded out as a result of, like, not performing as high.

Andrey [00:22:08]:
I think more than ever, men are less selective and taking what they can get, and I believe it's more than ever.

Phillip [00:22:15]:
Well, I think that's by force now. Just by, like, the women to me are controlling the market, if you want to call it a market. And the men, if they're not performing either, I have to perform higher. I have to raise my standard, and I have to be more attractive, be smarter, make more money, do something to be more attractive. I can't just be an average Joe schmoke because these girls are going for these guys. And now if I want this type of girl, I have to raise my standard or I'm going to have.

Katherine [00:22:44]:
Funny. I feel like it goes both ways. That can create insecurities in men where if you're not making that certain amount of money or you don't look a certain way, that that might make you feel insecure.

Phillip [00:22:56]:
Right, right.

Katherine [00:22:57]:
And then that guy that may have the salary and the looks may also have a very particular.

Eldar [00:23:07]:
Um.

Phillip [00:23:11]:
You know.

Katherine [00:23:11]:
Idea of what the type of woman he wants.

Eldar [00:23:13]:
Right.

Katherine [00:23:13]:
He also wants her to look a certain way. And so for all the women that don't look like that, it also causes insecurities within them. So I think it's interesting how, like, we were just talking about security being.

Eldar [00:23:27]:
Used in all these studies.

Phillip [00:23:29]:
Yeah, no, I agree with that, too.

Eldar [00:23:31]:
Guys.

Katherine [00:23:34]:
You can ask questions on both sides.

Phillip [00:23:37]:
Yeah, but it seems like the women are taking more action.

Andrey [00:23:42]:
Yeah, it seems like a woman is.

Phillip [00:23:45]:
Saying what she wants and she's at least going after it, and it's creating a bunch, like, a bigger percentage of men that are sitting around and not going after what they want.

Katherine [00:23:54]:
I can agree.

Andrey [00:23:57]:
This is strictly a.

Eldar [00:23:58]:
Rich western.

Andrey [00:24:02]:
Average dude in Colombia or Mexico.

Phillip [00:24:06]:
Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm asking for anything more than, like, a girl.

Andrey [00:24:10]:
He doesn't need to go.

Phillip [00:24:11]:
I don't think men think about women. If I need to have a certain amount of money and provide to me, those aren't credentials that I look at when I think of somebody that I want.

Andrey [00:24:23]:
Do you think women's expectations are through the roof now?

Phillip [00:24:25]:
Yeah, I think they're crazy. Crazy high.

Andrey [00:24:27]:
And do you think that's only in us, UK?

Phillip [00:24:31]:
See, that I don't know. I haven't traveled enough to know this.

Eldar [00:24:36]:
You have to put Internet onto it.

Eldar [00:24:38]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:24:38]:
See, I only know from here, so I know there's a thing called passport bros. So that's a thing now, like social media, but it's as a result of women here being so superficial and asking for this type of guy that in other countries, supposedly if you go to Europe or other countries, that women are going to be more responsive on a values based system where they're more kind and compassionate, they were raised better, and they're not going to be as pretentious or superficial and just like you for what you. So, like, this is my understanding of if you go to Eastern Europe or you go to other places where they're more of America, southeast Colombia, Brazil, like all these places. Yeah, same.

Eldar [00:25:20]:
No, but those countries will convert, will convert everybody.

Phillip [00:25:25]:
But no, see, converting.

Andrey [00:25:28]:
From personal experience. I disagree, because I heard this theory, like, ten years ago where they said, well, everyone has cell phones, everyone has Internet in China, Taiwan, Colombia, Mexico, and.

Eldar [00:25:39]:
They'Re all going to get westernized. Funny thing is, they got englishized and.

Andrey [00:25:45]:
Westernized to a certain extent. But the women there, even the women that are professionals, they're quite liberal, the doctors. Somehow these guys are finding that these women are still more marriageable. They make for better girls because their expectations. I was watching videos from women from Colombia, and the average salary in Colombia is $350 a month. Even a woman that says she wants a guy, that makes one $200, which would be poverty in the US, you would be doing really well as a guy. That's quite.

Eldar [00:26:21]:
When you come outside and the world is significantly different from the Internet world, you clearly see that you have to settle.

Andrey [00:26:31]:
I found that not to be true. The comment that you said about the women.

Eldar [00:26:35]:
Sure.

Eldar [00:26:35]:
Not yet. It hasn't caught up because the fact that these countries are below poverty.

Andrey [00:26:40]:
No, I disagree. Even Taiwan, which is a first world country, China, which is quite rich, Japan, which is quite rich. I found the women there to be much more respectful, much less entitled, and much more realistic as the type of guy they need. You don't need to have one or two points higher.

Eldar [00:26:59]:
They're very.

Eldar [00:26:59]:
Then you have to talk about freedom of speech. Then you have to throw that into me.

Phillip [00:27:03]:
It's culture.

Andrey [00:27:03]:
See, like, I thought that would happen. What he was saying, if it's going to happen, if it's going to happen, some kind of variable, take a long.

Eldar [00:27:10]:
Time, but it will. Is it inevitable? Is the question. The question is sooner or later. And by the way, attention to their feelings and pay attention to what?

Andrey [00:27:19]:
Comment on this term passport bros is very stupid, because if you look at people in Europe, like most people in the US, they leave the country like once every five to ten years. If you look at people in Europe, after high school, after college, they all take sabbaticals. Like Australians, UK, they all speak multiple languages. Having a passport and traveling, it's basically for millennia, people have been going overseas for better opportunity. That's how we came to the US. The term passport bro, to me is just being human. The fact that most Americans are not traveled, not cultures, have an expired passport. Like, there's a statistic.

Andrey [00:27:54]:
Like, more than half of Americans don't even have a passport, or they have an expired passport. That's an american thing. But to me, passport bro, it's like, no, dude. Like an average, hardworking guy. They're just looking to better their life somehow. But people have been doing that.

Eldar [00:28:10]:
Yeah, but I think they.

Andrey [00:28:11]:
That's just being a human being. It's not a password, bro.

Anatoliy [00:28:14]:
No, but I think they travel there more because I think that they have less opportunity.

Andrey [00:28:22]:
I know that the scene on YouTube, it's usually like, black men or whatever. They're going and they're trying to go and they're like, oh, wait a minute, people are paying attention.

Eldar [00:28:32]:
My dating experience is better, but that's.

Andrey [00:28:35]:
Just being a human being. That's your duty, I think, as a human to see if there's something better out there. Maybe you should check for it and for yourself.

Anatoliy [00:28:42]:
No, but to me, to me, that's also why Americans should travel. I think less.

Eldar [00:28:46]:
Right, because it's better here.

Phillip [00:28:48]:
No, I think culture, that's a big ignorance.

Andrey [00:28:51]:
Because I would argue many things are not better here. There's something.

Anatoliy [00:28:54]:
No, but I think that they want to keep going to different places. No, that's a big arrogance of Americans.

Andrey [00:28:59]:
I thought many things that I was told, like about Mexico and Mexicans my.

Eldar [00:29:03]:
Whole life in America.

Andrey [00:29:04]:
Then when I went there, same thing with Japan, completely different. The stuff I thought I knew about those countries until I spent time in there.

Eldar [00:29:11]:
So you can think that things are.

Andrey [00:29:13]:
Better, but until you actually go there.

Eldar [00:29:15]:
You'Re never going to know for sure. And I would say just by statistics.

Andrey [00:29:19]:
Every American thinks that almost everything is better in America. But just by probability and chance, it's not true.

Eldar [00:29:25]:
America is not the safest country.

Andrey [00:29:26]:
It's in the 65th 70s, doesn't have.

Eldar [00:29:28]:
The best health care.

Andrey [00:29:31]:
You could argue it's one of the worst because of how much you spend. As far as primary schools, like how reading and math. Singapore, Malaysia, much better. America is again in the 60th.

Eldar [00:29:42]:
What else are we?

Andrey [00:29:43]:
Can you give me some more things?

Eldar [00:29:46]:
What is better in economy?

Anatoliy [00:29:48]:
Economy.

Andrey [00:29:49]:
Making money, investing is the only thing.

Eldar [00:29:51]:
I would put America at number one.

Andrey [00:29:53]:
Weather, it's not the best. So quality of life for the money. It's not the best.

Eldar [00:29:58]:
Not even close.

Andrey [00:30:00]:
How family oriented, how the people stop and slow down and say hello, smile and care about their community.

Eldar [00:30:07]:
It's not even close.

Andrey [00:30:09]:
What is America?

Eldar [00:30:11]:
Freedoms.

Andrey [00:30:12]:
There's economic freedom, business freedom indexes. America is slipping.

Anatoliy [00:30:16]:
No, but I'm saying I think freedom.

Andrey [00:30:18]:
Speech is hard to measure and it's also slipping. But as far as like economic and business freedom.

Eldar [00:30:24]:
No, like Dubai, Malaysia, Singapore, Mexico, even.

Andrey [00:30:28]:
Is much easier to start a business. Less regulatory hurdles, less taxes, less hoops to jump through, less reporting. So that's what Americans are always taught. And we're not from America, so we have the luxury to be objective. But I know there's a huge patriotism.

Eldar [00:30:43]:
So the reason I'm so passionate about.

Andrey [00:30:47]:
This topic, because I always grew up thinking all these things that I thought I knew about the rest of the world, but I still have faith and I still love America for many things, but I just think there's many things that you think is better. But when you go down the list and really think about it, you have to decide is this really true and is this the best place to raise children? In this there is indexes. Like in the in the 1990s the best places to be born was the US, Germany 30 years later. Knowing English, I would argue is there your biggest chance at a better life and better economic opportunity? Sure, but the stats are slipping. You know the statistic like 60% of those who make $100,000 a year in America are living paycheck to paycheck and have credit card debt and all this stuff.

Eldar [00:31:43]:
It's lack of education, sure, but it's.

Eldar [00:31:45]:
Also because they're not very bright.

Andrey [00:31:49]:
Yeah, I agree that used to be decent money. I get it. But I'm talking about you have to give up. Arguably you can live in just as a safe place. You could probably retire. You could be financially free, 1520 years old early in another place that has going to have better health care. Whereas that's the other misconception. Oh, America is the best Hescar.

Andrey [00:32:13]:
Not even close.

Eldar [00:32:14]:
It's not even true.

Andrey [00:32:15]:
Like the free medical system in Mexico is better access to care and just as good and everyone has it. You can buy supplemental private concierge boutique healthcare in Mexico and Colombia. It destroys anything that the US has. And you could buy for one $200 a year. Yeah, and that's above and beyond their free stuff.

Eldar [00:32:37]:
If this is true, Marty Epsi gets one $200.01 year for free.

Eldar [00:32:41]:
Yeah.

Andrey [00:32:41]:
It's $100 a month. It's $100 a month.

Eldar [00:32:43]:
I'm buying that for her right now.

Katherine [00:32:45]:
Really?

Eldar [00:32:45]:
Yes.

Eldar [00:32:46]:
If this is true, I'm paying one $200 for Maria for this rate for boutique healthcare. She had boutique hold him accountable for that. I'm paying 1200 if it goes over any of that. Cover the bill.

Andrey [00:32:58]:
That's the most expensive one. That's the best one. It's about 100 a month and you don't even need that. Their regular coverage is like you'll wait less than what most people. But I mean challenge your beliefs that.

Eldar [00:33:10]:
You'Ve heard about the US, challenge them.

Andrey [00:33:13]:
But it's hard to do it if you're not actually talking to the people.

Eldar [00:33:16]:
I mean if you're chilling in us, why not?

Andrey [00:33:18]:
Hard to know.

Eldar [00:33:20]:
Why would you challenge them? If you're in a good place? Yeah. If you feel you're telling him to challenge, right. If he's good where he's at. Why challenge them?

Phillip [00:33:29]:
But you don't know unless you know.

Andrey [00:33:30]:
All the other places.

Eldar [00:33:31]:
No, but why would you not listen? I'm saying that I'm good where I'm at, right? Why are you showing me the.

Andrey [00:33:37]:
To know more about the world.

Eldar [00:33:38]:
Grass is greener.

Andrey [00:33:39]:
To know more about the world.

Eldar [00:33:40]:
I'm good.

Phillip [00:33:41]:
Oh, yeah. If you think you're good, then yeah.

Andrey [00:33:43]:
To know more about.

Phillip [00:33:44]:
But I don't think you can truly know.

Andrey [00:33:45]:
Sure, ignorance is bliss. I agree with you. I agree with you.

Eldar [00:33:48]:
Everything is fine.

Andrey [00:33:49]:
But if you have time, if you've established yourself where you have time to learn about other things, other cultures, you might actually see, well, wait a minute, all these things I was told about this place is dirty or.

Eldar [00:34:00]:
Yeah, those notions. Yeah, you should definitely challenge those notions if they're biased, for sure. You know what I mean? But if you're good where you're at.

Anatoliy [00:34:10]:
And you're not complaining.

Andrey [00:34:11]:
So like, for example, american air travel Airlines has the worst service, the worst seats, the worst customer experience out of anywhere in the world.

Eldar [00:34:19]:
Middle east and Asia is the best.

Eldar [00:34:21]:
I'm about to travel those.

Andrey [00:34:23]:
If you didn't know that, it's something to just experience how even on an economy flight, when you're like on Japan Airlines or Asiana, like Emirates, Etihad, all this stuff, you're going to be like shocked. This is how. And also the other thing, like what you were saying, I'm happy. Once you're actualized and happy, you could start worrying or at least thinking about maybe other people are living suffering. Maybe you're not going to help on a global scale, but you can at least start thinking about it. You would argue, but most people are working so much, or they don't even have time to think about it because they're thinking about their own shit, of course. So that's just something. I agree if things are pretty good, but you wouldn't even know.

Andrey [00:35:05]:
That's a valid way to go about it. Yeah, that's totally valid. I don't have any problem with that for sure.

Eldar [00:35:11]:
When the complaints come around, then I think that Dre's example, but a lot.

Andrey [00:35:14]:
Of people are complaining on TikTok and all these stuff.

Eldar [00:35:17]:
They're complaining. Then they also find out, and I agree 100%.

Andrey [00:35:20]:
That's the passport, bro. That's the passport.

Eldar [00:35:21]:
Go out there and find out and challenge your beliefs about your system, where you live and how you live. 100% challenge yourself because you probably most likely are ignorant.

Andrey [00:35:30]:
And by the way, a man, whether he's like below average. Average or above. I haven't heard a single guy that went to Mexico or Colombia and he said, the dating is the same. It's bad or whatever, but you have to figure out, are you going to move there? You have to figure that if you don't have your shit together in the.

Eldar [00:35:47]:
US, just because you go there, you.

Andrey [00:35:50]:
Have the dollar, it's not going to matter. But every single person that has done it and said, wait, I have, like, a pleasant experience.

Eldar [00:35:55]:
Like, it's pretty nice.

Andrey [00:35:56]:
This is probably what my grandfather had. Yeah, like, it's pretty nice.

Mike [00:36:00]:
Is that because you are Americano?

Eldar [00:36:02]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:36:03]:
Yeah.

Andrey [00:36:03]:
So you. You have to be aware.

Eldar [00:36:04]:
Are you.

Andrey [00:36:05]:
Are you getting genuine?

Mike [00:36:06]:
Are you getting finessed? Are you getting.

Andrey [00:36:08]:
Yeah, but you have to be aware.

Eldar [00:36:09]:
Exactly.

Mike [00:36:10]:
You've got a good heart.

Andrey [00:36:10]:
There's no shortcuts. There's no shortcuts.

Mike [00:36:13]:
But again, how do we know those guys?

Eldar [00:36:15]:
Incredible source.

Eldar [00:36:15]:
People are people, right? Sola, 100%.

Eldar [00:36:20]:
You can't come through a different door wearing the same outfit thinking that you're.

Anatoliy [00:36:24]:
Going to get a different result in american.

Andrey [00:36:29]:
I love that.

Eldar [00:36:29]:
That's great.

Phillip [00:36:30]:
In America, though, when I go to Canada, there's more of a european culture over there where I grew up with some of my friends, they have more of a travel mentality, and they see a lot of the world. They're a lot more worldly. They know more about America than a lot of my friends know about America. They understand more about the world in different countries. They're more educated. They understand this conversation.

Andrey [00:36:52]:
They had this with their parents.

Phillip [00:36:53]:
They go travel. They go take some time after school. They do these sabbatical.

Andrey [00:36:58]:
Why do you think, like, wealthy people, they make their kids travel? Do you think it's just to get the perspective. It's to get a reasonable.

Mike [00:37:05]:
I thought they were just flexing.

Phillip [00:37:06]:
Yeah, but to me, like, built in the culture in America, they want them.

Eldar [00:37:10]:
To fucking see shit.

Phillip [00:37:11]:
You don't get this valuable beyond anything.

Andrey [00:37:14]:
Like going to school, like, doing all this stuff. It's so valuable.

Phillip [00:37:16]:
But I see the way that people talk about America, and it's very, like, America is the best, and they haven't went outside and went to see other things. I feel like other people from Europe and other countries are more well rounded because they are more prone to travel. At least in Canada and Europe, I see this, and when they come to America, they're okay. Like, I see this, I like my country, I like this better. And then they can make a decision. But I think they're more well rounded and understand more of what else is going on out there.

Eldar [00:37:42]:
You would have to talk about the freedoms. You have to talk about the laws. You really have to get.

Andrey [00:37:48]:
Have to know.

Phillip [00:37:49]:
You'd have to know the difference.

Eldar [00:37:50]:
Right.

Eldar [00:37:50]:
At the end of the day, how are you trying to actualize yourself as a person?

Eldar [00:37:53]:
Right.

Eldar [00:37:54]:
That's hindering you from doing it in any type of country. Right, right.

Eldar [00:37:58]:
And I think in most countries, I think you can actualize yourself.

Eldar [00:38:02]:
Yeah, but that's my, my actualizing is completely different from somebody else's actualizing.

Phillip [00:38:07]:
Yeah, but that's different, though, in terms of trying to find if the culture was more prone to be more family oriented.

Eldar [00:38:14]:
Right.

Phillip [00:38:15]:
Whether you're trying to do that or not, for being a self actualized person, that might not hurt you as an individual for maybe helping your business or grow your business. You might be able to do that in Colombia or America. But if you're looking for a wife, right. The probability chances based off of this conversation, you probably have a better chance in Mexico or Colombia of finding a good woman versus here, based off this conversation.

Eldar [00:38:40]:
Yeah, that's a slippery slope there.

Phillip [00:38:42]:
But you don't think culture values.

Mike [00:38:45]:
Values? It's hard to call. Are you thinking that the kids in Colombia right now, or somewhere in Europe, sitting here having a philosophy?

Eldar [00:38:55]:
I'm a statistic person.

Andrey [00:38:56]:
I would agree with that.

Eldar [00:38:57]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:38:57]:
If you're a statistic person, which I don't think any human being will say that they're a statistic person, by the way. Right?

Eldar [00:39:03]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:39:03]:
Let me just tell you that, okay, everybody's a fucking outlier, right? If you're a statistic person, then, okay, cool statistics then will point out, okay, this is the country you should be in based on your statistical probability of landing in this fucking sphere of human being. But most people don't work like that.

Eldar [00:39:22]:
You know what I'm saying?

Eldar [00:39:23]:
That's why they are.

Andrey [00:39:23]:
I agree with one thing. Like, for example, if you're the type of person, you have very strong integrity, strong morals within your sphere of community, you could definitely find people that fit. But I fully agree with it. But I do find, and not only find, right?

Eldar [00:39:43]:
I won't tell you right now, create, create.

Andrey [00:39:48]:
Because if you're empowered, that's asking a lot though. That's asking a lot.

Mike [00:39:52]:
But at the end of the day.

Eldar [00:39:53]:
If you want to actualize yourself, what does actualization mean? Looking for the tax break in Virginia?

Phillip [00:40:01]:
I'm talking more for on a person to person.

Andrey [00:40:04]:
If you put a positive, intelligent person anywhere, they probably will do well.

Eldar [00:40:08]:
Thank you.

Eldar [00:40:09]:
See, anywhere in the world. And I agree with this, but you.

Andrey [00:40:12]:
Have to figure out what's important to me and if I'm more likely to get it. You're only going to interact with the same 20 people most of the time. At the end of the day, the world system.

Eldar [00:40:24]:
The world system is not going to solve your personal problem. Impossible.

Eldar [00:40:28]:
No, it's not.

Andrey [00:40:29]:
But the mind.

Eldar [00:40:30]:
You understand this or no? Even though you associate yourself with the world system and say, like, oh, damn. 30% tax. This is crazy.

Eldar [00:40:40]:
You know what I'm saying?

Eldar [00:40:41]:
You have that mindset. You go move to Florida, you get.

Eldar [00:40:44]:
10% tax, you're going to find a different problem.

Eldar [00:40:47]:
No.

Andrey [00:40:47]:
See?

Eldar [00:40:48]:
Yes or no, Dre?

Eldar [00:40:49]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:40:49]:
We're talking about a difference.

Eldar [00:40:50]:
You're going to find a different.

Andrey [00:40:51]:
Okay, here's my example.

Phillip [00:40:51]:
Here's my example. When I go to Canada. If I went to Canada. Yeah, that's where I was born.

Eldar [00:40:58]:
That changes everything.

Phillip [00:41:01]:
So when I go to, like, a random bar, this is a known thing. People in Canada are fuck crazy.

Eldar [00:41:07]:
Just.

Phillip [00:41:07]:
It's built within the culture. Like, the people are just fucking nice. Now you can associate that.

Eldar [00:41:12]:
What does that mean?

Phillip [00:41:13]:
Health care system.

Mike [00:41:14]:
There's a placebo effect when you're on vacation.

Phillip [00:41:16]:
No.

Mike [00:41:16]:
Everybody feels nice, and you're actually nice.

Phillip [00:41:18]:
Yeah, but I'm not on vacation.

Eldar [00:41:19]:
No.

Phillip [00:41:20]:
So he doesn't know what he's saying.

Eldar [00:41:21]:
Yeah. Why is he yelling? He just wants to say something. He's buzzing.

Phillip [00:41:26]:
So, first off, I was born there, and I've been there multiple times.

Eldar [00:41:29]:
Credibility behind what he's saying.

Eldar [00:41:31]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:41:31]:
I grew up there.

Eldar [00:41:32]:
Like, how much of this great whiskey do you have about that?

Eldar [00:41:37]:
Zero.

Eldar [00:41:38]:
That is why you're not credible, bro. Remember what you said last episode?

Eldar [00:41:42]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:41:42]:
I drank too much, drink this whiskey to come up with this knowledge.

Phillip [00:41:44]:
But I drank too much, though, and then. You're talking stupid now. I'm very clear. The point is, I was born there. I've been there multiple times throughout my whole life. And I've heard this from other people, just in general and my family and other people, but my specific interactions with people, like, they're crazy. Just nice.

Eldar [00:42:02]:
Hi.

Phillip [00:42:02]:
How you doing? There's very welcoming, warm people. Like, random people.

Eldar [00:42:08]:
You come to New York, he's got the rest. I'm sorry.

Eldar [00:42:10]:
Yeah.

Phillip [00:42:11]:
If you come to New York, it's not like this. If you come to America, it's just known. It's not like this now. I happen to like New York. I feel comfortable in New York. I'm not going up to everybody and kind of asking, like, hey, what's going on?

Eldar [00:42:20]:
Blah, blah, blah.

Phillip [00:42:21]:
It's very different type of culture. You're there for the buildings and the lifestyle and all this stuff you're going to.

Andrey [00:42:27]:
It's.

Phillip [00:42:28]:
To me, what's the draw there? Toronto is a nice city, modern city. You might go there for an opportunity for a job, but to me, the people are just very welcoming and warm by their nature. There has to be something to that that's built in the culture. And what I'm saying is that you.

Andrey [00:42:45]:
Can be an.

Eldar [00:42:58]:
Roots in French, bro. They're not nice.

Phillip [00:43:00]:
Montreal is not the same. Montreal is different. I've never been to Montreal. I've been Toronto.

Eldar [00:43:03]:
It's Montreal, Canada.

Katherine [00:43:04]:
They weren't nice in Montreal.

Eldar [00:43:06]:
I'm talking about. No, no, I get it, but are you talking. I'm talking about Toronto, Canada.

Phillip [00:43:10]:
Yes, but I'm talking about Toronto, Canada.

Anatoliy [00:43:11]:
Like one streeter, like one block or.

Eldar [00:43:14]:
What you said it's Nana's house.

Andrey [00:43:17]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:43:17]:
Your nana was very nice.

Anatoliy [00:43:22]:
Did he grow up on a block where everybody knows each other? That's Larry's kid.

Phillip [00:43:31]:
No, but it's different, because if you.

Mike [00:43:32]:
Grew up, condition is the human condition anywhere you go. Here's the thing.

Andrey [00:43:35]:
I agree to follow up what Eldar was saying, though, right? Because the human condition, you're your own person.

Eldar [00:43:42]:
I get that.

Andrey [00:43:43]:
But if people didn't. Okay, what I wanted to say is.

Eldar [00:43:49]:
One word for you.

Andrey [00:43:51]:
Their own priorities and things they find important. Right.

Eldar [00:43:54]:
Empowered individual is a variable you can't jump. I agree, but listen to this.

Eldar [00:44:00]:
Listen to this.

Andrey [00:44:01]:
If it was just about, well, I'll create my own reality where I am. I'm fine. None of us would have came from Soviet Russia to here.

Eldar [00:44:08]:
What do you mean? We didn't come here. You chose to come here. The parents, no. Did you choose to come here?

Andrey [00:44:13]:
No, but the parents. But they made that conscious choice because they were looking for a better.

Eldar [00:44:18]:
When you were a thinking being. When you were a thinking being, you.

Mike [00:44:24]:
Got the fuck out of here.

Andrey [00:44:25]:
Yeah, but somebody.

Eldar [00:44:26]:
Were you a thinking being when you brought you here?

Andrey [00:44:29]:
Me personally? No. But my parents weren't.

Eldar [00:44:31]:
Me neither.

Mike [00:44:32]:
What kind of thinking were they doing?

Andrey [00:44:33]:
But you would do the same for your kids.

Phillip [00:44:35]:
So you were sold on an opportunity, and America was the best country, and it had a better opportunity.

Eldar [00:44:39]:
Exactly.

Phillip [00:44:40]:
And what we're saying is, what if there's another opportunity? So we're describing another opportunity in another country. To me, there has to be because.

Eldar [00:44:48]:
Our parents didn't have the ability, didn't have the ability to actualize themselves where they were.

Eldar [00:44:55]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:44:55]:
And they were scared.

Eldar [00:44:56]:
And I'm not sure if my parents.

Eldar [00:44:57]:
Actually actualized themselves in America, bro.

Anatoliy [00:45:00]:
Right.

Eldar [00:45:01]:
You know, my mom did a little.

Eldar [00:45:02]:
Right.

Eldar [00:45:03]:
So they got to a point.

Eldar [00:45:06]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:45:06]:
My mom is still blaming, but they.

Andrey [00:45:07]:
Created opportunities for themselves and for their kids and for you and all that.

Eldar [00:45:12]:
That's a different conversation.

Eldar [00:45:13]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:45:13]:
So my mom is not happy. Mike, is your mama that happy?

Eldar [00:45:17]:
No.

Eldar [00:45:18]:
Totally.

Eldar [00:45:18]:
No.

Eldar [00:45:19]:
Okay, let's go to Catherine. I know the answer to that. Let's go to Dre's. Maybe only Dre's parents are really happy here, but that's because they're artists.

Mike [00:45:28]:
They just run around the house naked all day and just paint pictures.

Eldar [00:45:31]:
Listen, painting naked pictures, definitely.

Andrey [00:45:35]:
That's why the concept of passport roads makes absolutely no sense. I think it's your God given duty to have a passport. First of all, your citizenship. The passport is just a travel document.

Eldar [00:45:45]:
My parents came here for a very specific reason. Opportunity.

Phillip [00:45:48]:
They were sold on an opportunity to make money.

Andrey [00:45:50]:
Specifically. Also safety. Also safety.

Eldar [00:45:53]:
Safety to make money.

Andrey [00:45:54]:
So there's many safety to make money. Yeah, but safety and a financial thing.

Eldar [00:45:58]:
I agree. And that's it.

Andrey [00:46:00]:
So you're saying they didn't actualize themselves here?

Eldar [00:46:03]:
No, absolutely not.

Mike [00:46:06]:
Human.

Eldar [00:46:06]:
Right. But my mom still feels till this day, that she's unsafe financially.

Eldar [00:46:12]:
Right.

Eldar [00:46:12]:
Because of my dad's decision making. Buying an $800 car while he's retired.

Andrey [00:46:18]:
$800 a month.

Eldar [00:46:20]:
A month during pandemic.

Andrey [00:46:22]:
Okay.

Eldar [00:46:22]:
A Honda ridgeline.

Eldar [00:46:24]:
You know what I'm saying? You forgot.

Katherine [00:46:28]:
Are you kidding?

Eldar [00:46:29]:
You forgot? We were trying to help him.

Katherine [00:46:30]:
He's paying more than he would pay for a Tesla.

Eldar [00:46:32]:
You understand?

Mike [00:46:33]:
Crazy amount.

Andrey [00:46:34]:
We try to help him on the ridgeline.

Eldar [00:46:35]:
Right.

Eldar [00:46:36]:
That's ridiculous. While he had a pre pandemic car that he was paying 550 for.

Andrey [00:46:41]:
Wait, so we're not.

Eldar [00:46:43]:
Yes.

Mike [00:46:44]:
It was less than five.

Eldar [00:46:45]:
It was less.

Eldar [00:46:46]:
Right.

Eldar [00:46:46]:
It was 400.

Phillip [00:46:47]:
So we're saying environment doesn't matter. The individual is strong. They're smart. Doesn't matter. I don't agree with you.

Andrey [00:46:53]:
I agree with you because whatever is important to you. For example, when you go to another place, let's say you value certain things above and beyond, right? That can push you over to the edge to say, hey, you know what? I would rather raise my family here. Most people would never leave their homeland.

Phillip [00:47:09]:
These are the things I'm talking about. I'm talking about finding a woman, creating a life, and, like, finding somebody on your.

Mike [00:47:21]:
Guys telling me that all of a sudden, that in these other countries, these people are sitting around, they're doing philosophy club, they have all these great values and all of a sudden America doesn't have them.

Phillip [00:47:30]:
Yeah, I think America on a value system is probably the lowest.

Andrey [00:47:34]:
Mike, objectively, you have a much better chance to find a faithful, reasonable, family oriented partner in certain countries. Doesn't mean, like I was going to say to you, most men that are doing this, they don't have the guts or the means to learn the language to fully move themselves there. But I do believe they have a much higher probability to be happier and.

Anatoliy [00:47:58]:
To get the things you're talking about.

Andrey [00:48:00]:
Places don't have poverty.

Anatoliy [00:48:01]:
Of course they're going to be more quiet mouses there.

Eldar [00:48:05]:
Okay.

Anatoliy [00:48:05]:
Because they're looking to get into non poverty type condition.

Andrey [00:48:09]:
That's a statement from ignorance. That's a statement from not traveling. Because Mexico City is not even the top 50 most dangerous cities in the world, but you have seven american cities that are in that. So if you live in Chicago, Minneapolis, Baltimore, you're smarter, you're cool, and you're saying, these countries are so fucking poor. Only Cali Columbia is even in the top 50. You have Medellin. Medellin. And what's the other one? I don't think they're even in the top 50.

Andrey [00:48:36]:
So you could choose where to live in those countries. I'm talking about safety, poverty.

Anatoliy [00:48:41]:
No, you were talking about particular types.

Andrey [00:48:43]:
Poverty types of girls. Yeah, basically girls that were raised by girls that are more like.

Anatoliy [00:48:50]:
Describe what you were saying, how these girls are.

Andrey [00:48:53]:
I'm saying girls that are more marriageable and would make for better girlfriends for these men. And whatever their criteria is, they have poverty. You're saying those places are poverty, but.

Eldar [00:49:04]:
For some people, does that mean you.

Andrey [00:49:07]:
Wouldn'T ever go there because they're poverty? You're going there with your own.

Mike [00:49:10]:
No, we're talking about. My problem is that you guys are saying that these people in these other countries have all these great values and that America has terrible values. My thing is I don't. I'm not buying it.

Andrey [00:49:22]:
But you can't say every. Like when I go to the Philippines, the poorest people ever there would take the backs of their shirts for someone in their family. Whereas if I go to their family, China, Korea, it's not the same in the US. Why? Very simple. A lot of people in America, their parents, they send them to an old person's home to die. They might see him once a year.

Eldar [00:49:43]:
Whereas in China, in Taiwan, they would.

Andrey [00:49:46]:
Literally stay with their parents.

Mike [00:49:47]:
You have to evaluate where there are differences.

Andrey [00:49:50]:
There are massive cultural differences. What people would do, sure.

Eldar [00:49:53]:
But there's also things you can't do.

Mike [00:49:55]:
Because they're proper, but they have no belief in them. They might. You know what?

Eldar [00:50:00]:
Then you have to say the cultural differences are rooted in truth or not.

Eldar [00:50:05]:
Right?

Eldar [00:50:05]:
I don't want it to be. Okay, cool. I'm religious and I have to do this. And therefore I am hanging out with my parents because of my religion, because God is going to shun me, for example, because I'm not taking care of my parents. If your fucking religion is telling you to fucking take care of me when I'm old, and it's not the right thing to do for you to take care of me when I'm old, I.

Eldar [00:50:26]:
Don'T want to fuck.

Eldar [00:50:27]:
I don't want that type of fucking.

Andrey [00:50:28]:
Let's say you have a man, right?

Eldar [00:50:29]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:50:29]:
I feel like he's described a guy.

Eldar [00:50:31]:
That.

Anatoliy [00:50:34]:
Look, let's say you have a man.

Andrey [00:50:37]:
Five nine.

Eldar [00:50:37]:
He's average height for the US.

Andrey [00:50:39]:
When he has a big stromboli, he's making average income. He's making 60k. That's actually household income.

Eldar [00:50:45]:
So individual.

Andrey [00:50:45]:
But let's say he's making 60k.

Eldar [00:50:47]:
Where?

Andrey [00:50:47]:
And he's a five out of ten face in the US.

Eldar [00:50:50]:
Five out of ten.

Andrey [00:50:51]:
And he's noticed that he's at a dry spell. He could barely get dates. He hasn't gotten laid in two years.

Eldar [00:50:57]:
Okay.

Andrey [00:50:58]:
And he's trying to start a family. He's 30, 35.

Eldar [00:51:01]:
He needs to call in.

Andrey [00:51:03]:
You can't tell everybody to level up because there's always going to be a bell curve. An average, by definition, if that's average.

Eldar [00:51:08]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:51:08]:
But you got to understand that below.

Andrey [00:51:09]:
That, let's say he.

Eldar [00:51:10]:
That's a statistical outlook. You cannot look at them. An individual, when you start looking at them at the individual, each individual thinks. That's literally the majority.

Andrey [00:51:18]:
That's a bell curve.

Eldar [00:51:19]:
Yeah.

Andrey [00:51:19]:
I'm giving you an average person, an.

Eldar [00:51:21]:
Average man, 100%, looking at the bigger picture. Give him an average person. When you sit down with that individual, that motherfucker as special as you, as you.

Andrey [00:51:30]:
No, I'm telling you, I. Of course people are individual.

Eldar [00:51:32]:
They're not going to fucking say that. Oh, yeah. A part of statistics throw me into a country that's going to work for me. They're not going to say that, bro.

Andrey [00:51:38]:
Let's say this person goes to Colombia and now the solution is fucking terrible. Three k a month is in the top 5% of earners, therefore, his value as a man, regardless of his beliefs, if he's honest, his value as a man, Wilwin, will look for a provider and ability to provide, and they will actually be more loyal to the guy that earns more.

Anatoliy [00:51:59]:
Is that what you want?

Eldar [00:52:00]:
No, not only that. Every man wants a loyal woman to raise his.

Anatoliy [00:52:03]:
At what cost, though?

Eldar [00:52:05]:
At what cost?

Anatoliy [00:52:06]:
There's not being your dignity in your soul.

Andrey [00:52:08]:
What dignity?

Eldar [00:52:09]:
What do you mean, what dignity?

Anatoliy [00:52:10]:
You're saying that in one.

Eldar [00:52:13]:
What are you losing?

Andrey [00:52:14]:
No, I'm asking you that. What's the cost that you give up? What do you give up?

Anatoliy [00:52:18]:
What do you mean?

Andrey [00:52:22]:
You're tactically going, you're not american, even by genetics. You're not from.

Anatoliy [00:52:26]:
No, but you're tactically going to another country to get potentially more loyal and faithful women and potentially someone that might be a better wife to you because of your economical.

Andrey [00:52:37]:
Economical, yeah, but it's a big thing.

Eldar [00:52:41]:
You just said.

Anatoliy [00:52:41]:
An average idiot with an average american salary put that average idiot in economical Columbia, they're going to thrive.

Eldar [00:52:49]:
You cannot look from that.

Anatoliy [00:52:51]:
What kind of relationship are they, Mike, from the fucking.

Andrey [00:52:56]:
Philip, what Philip said is not only that, let's just take this as a fact. Value those women. If you're an average dude, and let's say they're, they're actually going to respect you for being honest, hard worker.

Mike [00:53:10]:
That's what they're going to tell you.

Eldar [00:53:11]:
Because you have no american credentials.

Andrey [00:53:15]:
You're incorrect, because you're acting like american women are innocent of this. American women.

Mike [00:53:20]:
I'm not acting like that.

Andrey [00:53:21]:
American women will tell you they want a six figure earner, they want a six foot guy. So american women telling themselves even more and their standards are insane.

Eldar [00:53:28]:
It is easier to break that belief system than fucking traveling to a different country, learning the language, or starting a new life, bro. Well, for some people, at least for.

Andrey [00:53:37]:
Me, I'm not trying to convince anyone to start a new. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, take this as a belief. Those women are not as entitled. They don't want the stars of the.

Eldar [00:53:49]:
Bro, we can go to corona, queens.

Andrey [00:53:51]:
Women, bro, women are the same everywhere. I agree with you.

Eldar [00:53:54]:
You don't have to go to Mexico to get it.

Andrey [00:53:56]:
You don't have to. But let's say these guys are going there and they're having a better experience all around, whatever they define, because they.

Eldar [00:54:02]:
Have, but they have a better experience because they don't.

Andrey [00:54:08]:
The biggest difference you're bringing in, the.

Eldar [00:54:11]:
Funny thing is, what are you bringing the color. Then what are they bringing? What are you bringing?

Eldar [00:54:16]:
Tell me.

Eldar [00:54:16]:
Money are in the rich country outside of the money. Right. What are you bringing to this country?

Andrey [00:54:22]:
Women, gold diggers?

Eldar [00:54:23]:
What do you call color?

Andrey [00:54:25]:
My experience is those women don't ask you for any money at all.

Eldar [00:54:28]:
Okay, so what are you bringing?

Eldar [00:54:29]:
They don't.

Eldar [00:54:29]:
The women. What do you bring?

Andrey [00:54:31]:
America, when you interview them, they expect a man to go to a nice restaurant.

Mike [00:54:34]:
So if the girls are so good.

Anatoliy [00:54:36]:
I think those types of people strategically go to those countries because they're going to be, by default, different. Have money, have not much to say.

Eldar [00:54:47]:
And they're going to be there. That's a terrible trap.

Andrey [00:54:50]:
This is what people say.

Anatoliy [00:54:51]:
No, but that's the example that you're.

Andrey [00:54:53]:
Bringing that haven't met.

Anatoliy [00:54:54]:
Yeah, but that's the example that you're bringing.

Andrey [00:54:56]:
I'm even telling.

Anatoliy [00:54:57]:
How are you going to bring an example? No, how are you going to bring an example? Hold on. How are you going to bring an example?

Eldar [00:55:03]:
How are you going to bring an.

Anatoliy [00:55:04]:
Example outlining someone's salary and depicting them to be like, ugly, short and fat? Right. Not much going to them, but they're doing better.

Eldar [00:55:14]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:55:15]:
Taking them there and saying, no, I wasn't talking about those variables. They're not that important.

Andrey [00:55:19]:
Just the fact they can have a below average salary in us.

Eldar [00:55:22]:
What is their kicker, bro?

Anatoliy [00:55:24]:
Yeah, what's the kicker?

Mike [00:55:25]:
Wait, I don't understand why.

Andrey [00:55:28]:
What is their kicker here? Their genes are going to.

Eldar [00:55:30]:
We're not talking about.

Eldar [00:55:31]:
You are transferring them. You're transporting them to a different country. They're still ugly, they're still short. Why the fuck are those women are attracted to them, bro?

Mike [00:55:43]:
Especially when they got.

Andrey [00:55:44]:
Women have lower expectations and lower expectations.

Eldar [00:55:48]:
Okay.

Andrey [00:55:49]:
And they were raised right. More right.

Anatoliy [00:55:51]:
I don't know. I just think that they strategically go to these places because there's less thinking individuals.

Andrey [00:55:57]:
I think you can speculate, but honestly, until you date those women, you cannot say shit because you're.

Anatoliy [00:56:02]:
No, but you're bringing that example.

Andrey [00:56:05]:
I can bring an example of an average dude that making below average money. It doesn't even matter. The results change.

Eldar [00:56:11]:
Listen, you would have to come up with a study in such a way where he's not leveraging his money at all.

Phillip [00:56:16]:
But only I brought Canada up as the original example. Canada to me is on the same level as America.

Eldar [00:56:22]:
We're comparing.

Phillip [00:56:30]:
No, so that's what I'm saying.

Eldar [00:56:31]:
I'm bringing up Canada, Colombia.

Andrey [00:56:33]:
That's the problem with you guys. You guys haven't went to those countries. So you assume that everyone in those.

Eldar [00:56:37]:
Countries, I'm from Perez, Colombia, I'm as deeply rooted as possible.

Andrey [00:56:40]:
Monterey, Mexico. San Pedro is fucking rich as hell. Polanco, Mexico City is rich as hell. Those women are making more money.

Phillip [00:56:47]:
Monterey is really.

Eldar [00:56:48]:
That's one percenter.

Andrey [00:56:49]:
But listen to me.

Eldar [00:56:50]:
When men like me, even average men.

Andrey [00:56:53]:
They'Re on dates with women from Monterey.

Eldar [00:56:55]:
Wait, why would a $60,000 guy date women from Monterey?

Andrey [00:56:59]:
I've met women just casually there. They're coming on dates with me, whether the date winner good or not. They're like, oh, it's drizling. Let me drive you 45 minutes so you don't get rained on. Men in the US are not going to have it. Because these women, they're generally more polite, more respectful, and they're not insanely inflated ego and inflated standards from, even though.

Eldar [00:57:22]:
They have absolute hogwash.

Phillip [00:57:29]:
The way that he described.

Andrey [00:57:34]:
What's the kicker?

Phillip [00:57:35]:
He hasn't done anything.

Eldar [00:57:36]:
No, but he said the salary.

Phillip [00:57:37]:
Yeah, but he's only hearing one.

Anatoliy [00:57:39]:
Americans are rich there.

Phillip [00:57:40]:
No, he gave one example and said.

Anatoliy [00:57:45]:
It didn't matter if there's money.

Andrey [00:57:50]:
The problem I have with his is the people that care about money the most are the american women. Because to survive, especially right now, you can't please somebody even with an average salary anymore in America. So if you're trying to bring money into, call those women, oh, they just care about your money. You have to blame the american women the most because they're the most outlandish on an average.

Eldar [00:58:11]:
I'm going to tell you right now. You don't blame that. You don't blame the american women for their outlandish bullshit. You blame the education system for them not to be able to dispel the necessary things, to see things for what they are, is to say that these fucking women have nothing to fuck. 55% of what we're saying here, guys not having courage to be able to see things for what they are. At the end of the day, to be able to see a woman that's five out of ten scale on Philip's thing and give her a chance as to say, like, wait, what do you actually have to offer? You know what I'm saying? And if you actually pay attention and have the ability to see the person's soul, your dick might get hard, you know what I'm saying? From that alone.

Phillip [00:58:54]:
Yeah, but we're still like, this is.

Eldar [00:58:55]:
What we're talking about.

Phillip [00:58:56]:
I was talking about environment, okay? I was talking about Canada and environment.

Eldar [00:59:03]:
The reason why we don't understand this is because we're maybe a little bit of ours.

Phillip [00:59:05]:
I'm talking so we're here in my example. So this is my example. So we're talking about Canada. I have to pull it back because you guys don't like Canada. You've never been there.

Eldar [00:59:16]:
Great. I fell asleep. Me and Catherine fell asleep in the van.

Eldar [00:59:19]:
Great.

Eldar [00:59:19]:
You know what I'm saying? Not the guys went out and they had the crazy.

Phillip [00:59:22]:
Not driving Montreal, I'm driving Toronto. But now we're going to pull it back on a different place, right?

Mike [00:59:27]:
Fine.

Phillip [00:59:27]:
This environment here, we can all relate to this, right? Nobody has any objections.

Eldar [00:59:31]:
We're all here.

Phillip [00:59:31]:
We all have firsthand experience about being here. If you were at a different job and you had a different opportunity, now I can talk about myself or anybody else can talk about their experience. For me, if you go to a different place, say like corporate America, where they don't care about you, you can be very smart, you can be very individually strong. Now, what are your chances of success, true success and happiness, versus coming to a place like this, where you're open, you have conversations like this on a day to day basis and you can open up your mind. This is one example of an environment to me, making a big difference on how you act and who you become from a moral, ethical and value standpoint, to question and examine what you do and what makes you happy. What I'm saying is that when I go to Canada, this as a whole is shown to me as an example of it's very easy to bump into an everyday person. That to me is just naturally more polite and just more warm and welcoming when I'm around here. To me, it's like I can have that mindset and I consider myself like a good person.

Phillip [01:00:32]:
But to attract that type of thing and be around it, I think it's a lot more difficult to kind of manufacture and create that. And I have to rely more on my individual self to be strong and always on point versus if I'm in a place where it's built into the culture, I can feel more comfortable in myself and not have to put as much more pressure on myself. That's what I'm saying. When you have environment and you believe that environment matters, I'm saying that America runs on a deficit from a value perspective, 100% agree.

Eldar [01:01:00]:
That's why.

Mike [01:01:01]:
When was the last time you were in Canada at this fabulous place that.

Phillip [01:01:04]:
You describing, I would say throughout my whole life I've been.

Mike [01:01:08]:
When was the last time you were.

Phillip [01:01:09]:
There, times, I don't remember, maybe four or five years ago, maybe more.

Andrey [01:01:12]:
There's a fundamental value deficit in the US, and it's a combination of many factors. You can stay in your community and build a great people of good values, but sometimes you just want to go to a place. Not knowing the language actually gives you an advantage because you don't hear their political bullshit. But the pitting men against women, pitting this political party against the other, that's a real thing that's getting worse. You're probably out of the dating market. The last ten years, a lot of things have changed.

Eldar [01:01:39]:
Ten years.

Mike [01:01:40]:
Hopefully more than that.

Eldar [01:01:41]:
15 years.

Eldar [01:01:42]:
That's what I mean.

Andrey [01:01:42]:
More than ten years.

Eldar [01:01:43]:
You know what I'm saying?

Andrey [01:01:44]:
But a lot of things have changed since Instagram, Tinder, and all that stuff.

Eldar [01:01:49]:
I'm going to tell you right now.

Eldar [01:01:50]:
A lot of things have changed.

Eldar [01:01:50]:
Nothing has changed, Drake.

Andrey [01:01:52]:
Well, biologically, no.

Eldar [01:01:53]:
Okay, thank you.

Andrey [01:01:54]:
Yeah, biologically, no. But what people expect.

Eldar [01:01:59]:
Here's the other thing. What you're telling to me is that maybe people form certain wrong perceptions about the world and reality.

Andrey [01:02:05]:
You have to admit cultures and values are different from country to country.

Anatoliy [01:02:08]:
No, but there's also been plenty of people here in Phillips example. Plenty of people have came here to this environment, to this culture that we have here, and they didn't get shit out of it, and they left 100%. And I don't feel that.

Eldar [01:02:24]:
If you don't include the variable of yourself being empowered to do certain things.

Anatoliy [01:02:31]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:02:34]:
You're going to be.

Anatoliy [01:02:34]:
I live life, at least I don't view people here or something like that.

Eldar [01:02:40]:
She's going to get wherever she wants to get.

Anatoliy [01:02:42]:
That's it.

Eldar [01:02:43]:
She's going to get it.

Eldar [01:02:44]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:02:44]:
I don't view them as, like, where she's at.

Eldar [01:02:48]:
Holy.

Anatoliy [01:02:50]:
I don't view them as mean here or like this is. They're mean to me. I don't feel a need that.

Eldar [01:02:59]:
What.

Anatoliy [01:02:59]:
Philip, to me, is describing to me just more sounds like fake niceness in these places, and I don't need that.

Andrey [01:03:07]:
The people I know, I'm going to.

Eldar [01:03:09]:
Be honest with you, I'm not well traveled, but I'm well traveled. I've been to places.

Mike [01:03:15]:
Yeah, me too.

Eldar [01:03:19]:
You know what? I'm going to put Mike up there because he traveled more than me. And the truth of the matter is.

Anatoliy [01:03:25]:
The gig is up 100%.

Mike [01:03:27]:
The gig is up, guys.

Phillip [01:03:29]:
No, values. Values are built in certain cultures. I don't believe this.

Eldar [01:03:32]:
Guys, I've been to Bermuda. Sure. It's nice. People are nice and all this other stuff. You know what I'm saying?

Andrey [01:03:39]:
Catherine, would you agree?

Eldar [01:03:39]:
But you know what I mean? But without that, I'm biased. Fuck this shit. I'm an outlier because you know what I want? The thing that I want, nobody can give me in any country.

Eldar [01:03:50]:
You know why? Because I do it.

Mike [01:03:52]:
Because you can't be given it.

Eldar [01:03:54]:
You have to do it yourself. I do it.

Eldar [01:03:55]:
Yeah.

Andrey [01:03:55]:
We're not talking. You know what?

Eldar [01:03:59]:
When we go in, the happiest person.

Andrey [01:04:01]:
In the world, I'm fucking happy as hell in America. But I can be happy and have a little bit harder life, or I can be happy and have a life I enjoy more. That's more my style.

Eldar [01:04:10]:
Simple.

Eldar [01:04:10]:
Listen to me. You can be the happiest if you.

Eldar [01:04:13]:
Are sensitive to the world, the external world, environment, culture matters.

Andrey [01:04:19]:
It's the bottom line.

Eldar [01:04:20]:
If you're sensitive to that external thing.

Eldar [01:04:23]:
It will affect you.

Eldar [01:04:26]:
If you have the ability, if you're empowered enough to sway it.

Eldar [01:04:30]:
Right?

Eldar [01:04:31]:
Like we're driving in the cab, right?

Eldar [01:04:33]:
And Warren's like, yo, oh, you could.

Eldar [01:04:35]:
Have taken a deep.

Eldar [01:04:36]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:04:37]:
You know what I'm saying? You make the stupid environment, or maybe a potentially hostile environment into something. Very funny.

Andrey [01:04:44]:
What you're talking about.

Eldar [01:04:45]:
And that's empowerment.

Andrey [01:04:45]:
Killing curiosity. You're killing wonderment.

Mike [01:04:48]:
Nobody's killing curiosity.

Eldar [01:04:49]:
Killing curiosity how?

Andrey [01:04:51]:
By saying, well, I meditate. I'm a philosopher, and I'm in control of what's in mind. Yes, I fully support that. But as far as going to an environment and saying, you know what? I like the weather better here. I like that people are smiling at me and there's more kids playing, not looking at their computer, which I see in the Philippines and all these other places. Maybe I like that better. Maybe I just like walking down the.

Eldar [01:05:14]:
Street and seeing that. How you subject me to killing curiosity? If you're the one who making the judgment calls on what's actually going on, I'm telling you that I have the ability to influence the world around me.

Eldar [01:05:25]:
How much? How much?

Eldar [01:05:28]:
In the immediate world?

Eldar [01:05:29]:
A lot, bro.

Eldar [01:05:30]:
Okay.

Andrey [01:05:30]:
In the immediate world.

Eldar [01:05:32]:
I'm having fun right now, bro.

Andrey [01:05:33]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:05:34]:
I don't give a fuck about who you are.

Andrey [01:05:36]:
You can be there.

Eldar [01:05:37]:
I don't care where you came from. I'm going to have fucking fun with your ass. Even if you're fucking ignorant, dumb ass. But even if you're insulting me, I'm going to have fun with you.

Andrey [01:05:46]:
Does this mean be like, okay, you know what? I'm saying, this is the best there is, and I'm not even going to bother learning anything other than, no, I.

Eldar [01:05:52]:
Don'T think it's that.

Mike [01:05:53]:
I think it's you realizing what's important and what's not. Yeah, it doesn't matter where you live or the culture. It only matters what you.

Eldar [01:06:01]:
I know where my roots are, bro.

Eldar [01:06:03]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:06:03]:
I feel like you're describing a scenario where someone wants to put like a painted veil over their eyes and live in this happy, fun town.

Andrey [01:06:12]:
To a big extent. You can create your own happiness in the moment and you can create your own.

Eldar [01:06:17]:
You only have the moment, bro. Exactly.

Mike [01:06:19]:
Only you can.

Andrey [01:06:20]:
It doesn't mean you should just say, okay, well, I'm just going to.

Mike [01:06:23]:
We're not going to stay in USA, bro. We're just setting bro every week, son. You crazy? We've been to.

Eldar [01:06:29]:
You think we haven't traveled, bro?

Andrey [01:06:30]:
Yeah, there's such thing as traveling as a tourist and then there's such thing as saying, oh, you know what I would like to explore, like what your parents did. You know what? I'm going to go here for whatever reason.

Eldar [01:06:44]:
There's no way I'm ever going to convert into that person. There's no way I'm going to tell you that right now.

Eldar [01:06:48]:
Okay.

Eldar [01:06:49]:
There's no chance.

Eldar [01:06:50]:
I'm going to go look and I'm.

Eldar [01:06:51]:
Going to come back. You know why? Because this shit right here, this year, right here, I'm going to tell you right now, you know how many Americans.

Andrey [01:06:58]:
Are going to Mexico right now?

Eldar [01:07:00]:
Look up.

Andrey [01:07:01]:
How many Americans are moving to Mexico at record numbers.

Eldar [01:07:03]:
Yeah. But you have.

Eldar [01:07:04]:
Sorry to hear that.

Anatoliy [01:07:06]:
Can't think and can't buy.

Andrey [01:07:08]:
So they're.

Eldar [01:07:08]:
That's why going there.

Andrey [01:07:10]:
Lots of rich guys.

Eldar [01:07:12]:
Yeah.

Andrey [01:07:15]:
Your parents were losers from coming here.

Eldar [01:07:17]:
100%, yes.

Andrey [01:07:18]:
Why?

Eldar [01:07:21]:
My mom is telling me right now what the fuck is going on. Tell me what the life insurance is on my dad when he dies. What happens?

Andrey [01:07:28]:
Things change.

Eldar [01:07:28]:
You know what I'm saying? What are we talking about?

Andrey [01:07:29]:
Get worse and better? Nothing.

Eldar [01:07:31]:
Sure. By the end of the day, I create what I create here.

Mike [01:07:34]:
Country is a country if you have.

Andrey [01:07:35]:
The means to explore and make rational decisions and say, you know what? This is important to me.

Anatoliy [01:07:40]:
People who need to do that cannot live a good life where they're at. They don't know what to do anywhere. They keep traveling around and seeking elsewhere to find the grasp.

Andrey [01:07:48]:
The only person that can tell you if you live a good life is yourself. If you think other people can tell that, then you're lost.

Anatoliy [01:07:56]:
Yeah, but you're going else places because you're not living.

Andrey [01:08:00]:
There's a difference between running from something.

Eldar [01:08:02]:
And running to something.

Eldar [01:08:05]:
Okay, sure. What does that have to do.

Mike [01:08:07]:
He's saying that he's not running from it. He's saying that he loves his life here, but he wants to see what's out there.

Eldar [01:08:13]:
What are you looking for?

Anatoliy [01:08:15]:
Get someone else to make you happy.

Eldar [01:08:16]:
What are you looking for, my man?

Andrey [01:08:17]:
I'm not talking about me.

Eldar [01:08:19]:
What are you looking for?

Andrey [01:08:20]:
Talking about people that go somewhere else and they make an observation.

Anatoliy [01:08:22]:
No, but I feel like you have a strong opinion on this because you feel a particular way.

Eldar [01:08:25]:
So what are you looking for?

Andrey [01:08:27]:
Opinion is because all the things I've been told about, all the stuff about kind of like, well. Oh, yeah, those peoples are all gold diggers, or those people in Mexico are.

Eldar [01:08:35]:
A certain way, couldn't be further from.

Eldar [01:08:37]:
The truth because fighting those guys. But we're not those guys.

Andrey [01:08:41]:
But I couldn't realize it until I went there.

Anatoliy [01:08:46]:
Yeah, but why you keep going to all these different places?

Mike [01:08:50]:
You already did Asia tour, now you're trying to do a spanish tour.

Andrey [01:08:54]:
Why are you going to all. Because I like it. I enjoy it.

Anatoliy [01:08:57]:
What do you enjoy?

Eldar [01:08:57]:
I enjoy it. What?

Andrey [01:08:59]:
I enjoy getting a different perspective. I enjoy a more holistic view about how other people live, because I was shortchanged before, about thinking a certain way and how all those people are, for example.

Eldar [01:09:09]:
Okay, so when is that going to. Catherine, I've heard a lot of american.

Andrey [01:09:14]:
Guys, they think that women from how.

Eldar [01:09:17]:
Much more Columbia you need are like.

Andrey [01:09:18]:
The stupidest, naive women, uneducated, and that men are going there to manipulate them.

Anatoliy [01:09:25]:
How long does this conquest last?

Andrey [01:09:26]:
When I went to those places, those people are even better educated, even if they're in a poor country, than many people here. How long do you need to prove yourself? It's not approving.

Eldar [01:09:35]:
What?

Eldar [01:09:35]:
What do you mean? You're saying curiosity about the world. Some people have. You're saying that, hey, I'm going over there to prove all the fucking biases that were wrong.

Andrey [01:09:44]:
It's something I learned as an observation. And I'm like, wait, this is kind of cool. I want to know more.

Eldar [01:09:48]:
Yeah, but what are you looking for?

Phillip [01:09:49]:
What are you looking for?

Katherine [01:09:50]:
Everyone has to answer, a chance to respond to him. I just want to say that is just reflective of how ignorant people are. That's just the ignorance that we have in the world about all cultures or people, anybody who's different.

Eldar [01:10:04]:
But how much evidence does it need in order to finally say, okay, I got it.

Katherine [01:10:09]:
I could tell you where you background, because I have been to these countries, and I've been growing up and observing, like, growing up in America and then going to Colombia to visit my extended family. I start comparing. I compare the cultures. I compare the countries. I talk about this a lot with Eldar, and it's very interesting. I have my own, I guess, my own ideas that I form just comparing the would. Like, for example, I would agree that people are nicer. People are.

Katherine [01:10:34]:
They'll take their shirts off their back. I agree with that.

Andrey [01:10:38]:
And you've made a judgment call that this place is better for you, which is nothing wrong with that. That's what everyone's doing.

Eldar [01:10:44]:
When you're compromised. You definitely make those judgments.

Eldar [01:10:46]:
Yes.

Andrey [01:10:48]:
And that's why a lot of people don't like Americans, is because the arrogance and knowing that these cultures, like I hear all the time, oh, those women are poor. They're gold diggers. Couldn't be further from the truth. I see more gold diggers.

Katherine [01:10:59]:
Generalization.

Eldar [01:11:02]:
Listen, we're not those people to generalize what's actually going on and what's the reason.

Andrey [01:11:08]:
I'm not saying it's you, but, yeah.

Eldar [01:11:09]:
You know what I'm saying.

Anatoliy [01:11:11]:
I can only rebuttal that when you.

Eldar [01:11:12]:
Bring in economic implications in your examples.

Anatoliy [01:11:17]:
Like, there's a reason why you're highlighting.

Andrey [01:11:18]:
The biggest economic people I found that care about it are in the rich countries.

Eldar [01:11:23]:
Why?

Andrey [01:11:23]:
Because just to even survive and live a good life, they need a guy.

Eldar [01:11:27]:
Or a woman like that.

Andrey [01:11:28]:
So that's where it's bullshit.

Eldar [01:11:31]:
Whatever.

Andrey [01:11:31]:
You think that's an economic.

Anatoliy [01:11:32]:
No, but I'm saying that you're the one.

Andrey [01:11:34]:
If you're treated better, you're assuming that a person going there treated better because he's an american, he has money. That's absolute horseshit.

Eldar [01:11:40]:
So what's the reason they're being treated for?

Eldar [01:11:42]:
Reason. Culture.

Eldar [01:11:44]:
Now, if you. Hey, eldar. Eldar. Totally, guys.

Andrey [01:11:47]:
Environment.

Eldar [01:11:48]:
If you said, eldar, they're not being treated any differently. They're just being treated regularly.

Eldar [01:11:55]:
And they're regular.

Eldar [01:11:56]:
They like it more than their.

Phillip [01:11:58]:
That's what he's saying.

Eldar [01:12:00]:
That environment you're being treated, they're treated.

Andrey [01:12:03]:
More like a human being.

Eldar [01:12:04]:
You know what I'm saying?

Eldar [01:12:04]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:12:05]:
If that's a single person who's being treated better than they expect, I would have to ask, why are they treated better?

Andrey [01:12:11]:
They're being treated as they expect to be treated from another human being.

Phillip [01:12:14]:
I think he's saying better from being here. That's my understanding.

Eldar [01:12:17]:
Okay, fine. What he's saying is that their standard of treating somebody is different from our standard of treating somebody. Yes, completely.

Andrey [01:12:24]:
And not only that, as a human.

Phillip [01:12:27]:
Yes, as a human, regardless of income. I'm noticing in Canada, my example again.

Eldar [01:12:32]:
He'S saying, nobody's asking you for money. He is saying ultimately. He's saying ultimately, their education, right. Their understanding of philosophy in life, it is stronger than ours.

Phillip [01:12:43]:
Very much what I see on an average. I see the same thing when I see my friends in Canada and they're showing me their friends and how they live. There's a big disparity in income and who has money and who doesn't. They don't talk about this. For example, when I go see my family or I go see friends there, they don't ask me what I do for work and how I am. I, they ask me like, oh, you have a girlfriend. Oh, you look good, you look healthy. Are you happy? They ask you these questions.

Phillip [01:13:08]:
It's very different way of thinking. It's a mindset.

Andrey [01:13:11]:
Tired of that?

Anatoliy [01:13:12]:
No, but I think that these experiences are very skewed.

Andrey [01:13:15]:
Like if you're a vacation, what somebody's experiences are. How can you tell them?

Anatoliy [01:13:20]:
I'm saying that my opinion on so far, the accounts I'm clearing, people have.

Andrey [01:13:24]:
Been moving with their feet. So how can you tell those guys they're making big decisions? How can you tell them that their experiences are bullshit and you know better? It's their experience.

Eldar [01:13:34]:
So what?

Andrey [01:13:35]:
How can you tell them that? Oh, they're actually.

Eldar [01:13:37]:
No, but don't you understand that their.

Andrey [01:13:39]:
Perception can be skewed, anyone's perception? Peoples are imperfect.

Eldar [01:13:42]:
Yeah, but he can make that claim.

Andrey [01:13:43]:
How does he know?

Eldar [01:13:44]:
But that alone, I'm going to tell you right now, based on if he.

Eldar [01:13:48]:
Served 100 people, one of them got it wrong. Yeah, people.

Eldar [01:13:52]:
So that's why he can form that opinion.

Andrey [01:13:54]:
They're making mistakes.

Eldar [01:13:55]:
Just like you have the right to form your opinion about the way you feel in those countries. He has the right to make an opinion of how you felt, why you felt, the way you felt, what you guys, just because you tell me your.

Anatoliy [01:14:06]:
Experience does not mean that I believe.

Eldar [01:14:07]:
It, or I think that you're right. Like, I don't have to believe you.

Andrey [01:14:12]:
But it's that person's experience. So you can say, oh, that person.

Anatoliy [01:14:17]:
Doesn'T have a good way of judging experiences to begin with. Yeah, they're going to.

Eldar [01:14:20]:
He doesn't believe that the individual has the ability to judge an experience.

Andrey [01:14:23]:
Why is that relevant to the, what do you mean?

Eldar [01:14:25]:
Because if two people are having a conversation and trying to get to the truth, it is very relevant.

Anatoliy [01:14:30]:
Yeah, to have a conversation, we need to agree.

Eldar [01:14:32]:
Why were you happy in Mexico and not in America? He's going to ask you that question.

Andrey [01:14:35]:
You're not going to convince that person. They've had these experiences, they've made whatever.

Eldar [01:14:40]:
Decisions they did, and you're not going.

Andrey [01:14:42]:
To be like, oh, actually you were wrong. Because they're going, oh, you know what?

Eldar [01:14:45]:
You're right.

Eldar [01:14:46]:
Is that really going to, you know what? Because that person is going to tell you to go over there and your ass ain't going to move over there.

Andrey [01:14:53]:
The reason that this narrow minded, because people from all walks of life, very poor or very rich, they're going to Spain, there's expats everywhere. They can be really poor or really rich. They don't have to leave their country. They're doing it and that's their decision.

Eldar [01:15:07]:
And whatever the reason is, I'm happy.

Andrey [01:15:10]:
Because I like people that explore. They're like, oh, you know what? I like that better.

Anatoliy [01:15:13]:
Yeah, but I don't give a fuck.

Andrey [01:15:14]:
About whether they're the guys.

Anatoliy [01:15:16]:
They're happy or not.

Andrey [01:15:17]:
Yeah, complain and don't do shit.

Anatoliy [01:15:19]:
No, but I'm not talking about how I feel about their situation or not. You could say something, right? And if you want to have a conversation about it, we need to have a particular compass and we need to agree on particular truths. If not, you're going to say your subjective opinion on something. I'm going to say mine. And we're just going to keep going back and forth. That's why I think it's completely fine to challenge somebody's experience.

Andrey [01:15:47]:
Here's the problem with that. You're ready. Here's the problem with that.

Eldar [01:15:51]:
Somebody that, whoever it is, somebody that.

Andrey [01:15:54]:
Went and really met these people got the thing.

Eldar [01:15:59]:
Yeah, Mike met a lot of women that you thought somebody that I've been to this fucking experience world.

Andrey [01:16:05]:
Do you know what? Mike is leading with money and promising a lot of shit. Maybe there's a reason for that. He's attracting those type of women.

Mike [01:16:11]:
No, I tell you, I'll leave with a good heart.

Eldar [01:16:16]:
What I'm saying is you going to the body owes and buying $0.01 tacos.

Andrey [01:16:21]:
$0.01 tacos. Maybe $1 tacos.

Eldar [01:16:24]:
Hey, girly.

Eldar [01:16:27]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:16:27]:
I'm saying that there's plenty of people in all places, including America, who, for example, could say something like, yo, this place sucks, right? They're absolutely, absolutely entitled to believe that. It does not mean that it's true. And if I challenge them, for example, about that, if I'm having a conversation with them and they prove to not want to engage in that, I don't give a fuck.

Andrey [01:16:51]:
I respect somebody that because everyone struggles with certain things in life, everyone has their own priorities. Somebody that sits there and complains and does nothing, complaining about inflation, complaining about my boss, complaining about this.

Eldar [01:17:03]:
I respect the person that they don't.

Andrey [01:17:06]:
Know when they go to these places, what will happen. But they go there and they say, you know what? These things I've noticed, know Alex better.

Eldar [01:17:12]:
They could be wrong.

Andrey [01:17:14]:
You could say that they're wrong all you want. I trust a person that went and physically spent weeks and months and made decisions. You as an American, I absolutely don't. Who's never done that?

Anatoliy [01:17:23]:
I absolutely don't.

Andrey [01:17:24]:
You as an American is. Oh, yeah, those people are absolutely. They're uneducated. They just like you for your money.

Anatoliy [01:17:28]:
I think if you have no like that, if you trust people like that, you're going to be misled for the.

Andrey [01:17:34]:
Rest of your life. You have no weight. You have no bearing on saying that when you've never been to the place.

Anatoliy [01:17:41]:
Yeah, but you have also.

Eldar [01:17:42]:
No.

Andrey [01:17:43]:
Yeah, but how can matters little.

Mike [01:17:46]:
He's questioning Dre's ability to your opinion.

Andrey [01:17:48]:
Matters little if you know.

Anatoliy [01:17:49]:
But just because somebody went there and experienced it does not mean that they're correct.

Andrey [01:17:53]:
Let's say you had a thousand men.

Anatoliy [01:17:56]:
Well, why would you trust somebody that went there, experienced something?

Andrey [01:17:59]:
Because I did it myself and reported back to you. I did it myself, and I found that what these people were saying were true. Let's say you have a thousand men that went to Mexico and Colombia. It's hard to find any of them that said, you know what? Everybody's westernized. Everyone's. It's the same. I've yet to meet these people. All of them had a better experience.

Andrey [01:18:16]:
You could say they're full of say, and then I actually go and do the same thing they did. And I said, you know what?

Eldar [01:18:26]:
These people are actually right.

Andrey [01:18:28]:
What do you have?

Anatoliy [01:18:29]:
What do you mean, what do I have?

Andrey [01:18:30]:
So you could say that everybody's wrong. You could say that.

Anatoliy [01:18:33]:
No, I'm saying that.

Andrey [01:18:35]:
What do you have to stand on?

Anatoliy [01:18:36]:
What do you mean?

Andrey [01:18:39]:
If these guys are going to these places and they're like, you know what? I like this better. Maybe they have a goal to start a family. Like an average dude. He's basically not getting what he wants. And he goes there and says, you know what? I think I have a better chance.

Eldar [01:18:52]:
I like this better.

Andrey [01:18:54]:
And you're like, oh, yeah, they're all gold diggers.

Eldar [01:18:55]:
They're all, whatever.

Andrey [01:18:57]:
And then I'm like, okay, wait a minute.

Eldar [01:18:58]:
I'm there and I'm like, you know what?

Andrey [01:19:00]:
Whether you're average, above average or below average, you're having a better experience. Everything is imperfect. Everything you judge.

Eldar [01:19:06]:
Okay.

Eldar [01:19:06]:
Right?

Andrey [01:19:07]:
So you're going to be like, oh, these guys are full of shit. Even though some people throughout history, people are going for opportunity and people are going to another place to find something.

Eldar [01:19:16]:
And they've made a rational too. They may have moved away from family and friends.

Andrey [01:19:19]:
They may have taken their kids over there for a better opportunity. You're like, actually, no. It's all about you. And you should just stay where you are because it's all about internal. You could do both.

Anatoliy [01:19:33]:
Just because there's someone that you know that went out there. I'm talking to somebody.

Eldar [01:19:39]:
Right.

Anatoliy [01:19:39]:
Just because someone went out there, did something, experienced it, it does not mean.

Andrey [01:19:43]:
That.

Anatoliy [01:19:46]:
It'S the reality or like truth about their reality. Sure, no problem.

Mike [01:19:50]:
But it's not the actual.

Anatoliy [01:19:51]:
But doesn't have to be my reality or the actual.

Andrey [01:19:54]:
Agree.

Eldar [01:19:55]:
Listen, if you subject yourself to a specific thing that you've created, it's a moot point.

Phillip [01:19:59]:
But why is he fighting him so hard on his experience?

Eldar [01:20:02]:
I don't think he cares, bro.

Phillip [01:20:03]:
Yeah, no, he cares enough about his opinion.

Eldar [01:20:06]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:20:09]:
I think he cares about finding what the truth of the matter.

Eldar [01:20:11]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:20:11]:
If we're going to have a conversation about this, I care about having the conversation. Right. And if we're having a conversation, he.

Eldar [01:20:18]:
Doesn'T have a fucking horse in a.

Phillip [01:20:19]:
Race because he hasn't experienced the problem.

Eldar [01:20:23]:
I have.

Phillip [01:20:24]:
No, if they both experience the same thing and he hasn't experienced.

Eldar [01:20:28]:
Right, exactly.

Phillip [01:20:29]:
He hasn't experienced.

Eldar [01:20:30]:
That's why he's saying, I don't believe him.

Phillip [01:20:34]:
And he's calling his subjective, which is true, but why is he fighting him so much on it? They're his subjective.

Andrey [01:20:39]:
And one thing I don't get experience.

Phillip [01:20:41]:
Until it totally goes and does the same thing that he does, then they can't have a real conversation about it.

Andrey [01:20:45]:
People are the same everywhere.

Eldar [01:20:46]:
There's a thing that he could talk about within his experience that might not actually, through his experience proves those objective.

Eldar [01:20:53]:
Right.

Phillip [01:20:53]:
So I'm asking, what are those things that are a problem?

Eldar [01:20:56]:
I don't need to eat bad, but.

Phillip [01:20:59]:
How are you assuming that it's eating shit, though?

Anatoliy [01:21:01]:
Well, no, I'm saying that. I'm saying that I don't need to experience something to compliment on it.

Andrey [01:21:07]:
But you're a person that. But you never experience this.

Eldar [01:21:11]:
I don't need to experience.

Andrey [01:21:12]:
I give more value to the person that went there.

Eldar [01:21:14]:
You know what?

Andrey [01:21:15]:
It's not for me. I would give in the claim. And you have no expertise in the matter.

Eldar [01:21:22]:
No.

Anatoliy [01:21:22]:
But you just trust people and you.

Andrey [01:21:24]:
Have no direct experience.

Eldar [01:21:27]:
I never trust.

Anatoliy [01:21:28]:
I do it myself.

Andrey [01:21:29]:
I do it myself.

Eldar [01:21:30]:
Yeah.

Phillip [01:21:30]:
He's not trying to make you believe him, though.

Eldar [01:21:32]:
Yeah.

Phillip [01:21:32]:
You're saying that you don't believe him, and you didn't believe Philip.

Eldar [01:21:37]:
No.

Eldar [01:21:37]:
You are, though.

Eldar [01:21:37]:
No.

Andrey [01:21:38]:
You're saying that the experience, this guy is good.

Anatoliy [01:21:40]:
No, I'm saying that just because someone experienced, just because Philip does not mean that it's correct.

Andrey [01:21:45]:
I get it.

Eldar [01:21:47]:
Let alone he's arguing a point where he said, yo, why is he even arguing with him? Because he hasn't experienced it. He clearly told him that I haven't experienced it. So he knows. Why is he arguing in the first place? Why is he arguing in the first place when he thinks that he learns from experience? So the only way for him to learn this experience, it's through going and experiencing it. Why?

Phillip [01:22:09]:
No, he's saying that doesn't matter.

Eldar [01:22:10]:
No, I know he says that. Why is he arguing?

Phillip [01:22:14]:
Because he's saying it doesn't matter.

Eldar [01:22:16]:
I know that he's saying that it matters. It matters.

Anatoliy [01:22:19]:
You should just view me as an idiot.

Eldar [01:22:20]:
You understand he's still arguing.

Andrey [01:22:22]:
No.

Anatoliy [01:22:23]:
That means that there's an insecurity behind it.

Eldar [01:22:25]:
Yes.

Eldar [01:22:25]:
What is the insecurity?

Phillip [01:22:27]:
No, I think there's more of a confusion as to why he's acting the way he's acting.

Eldar [01:22:30]:
Ask him about that.

Phillip [01:22:30]:
That's my thing. I'm confused as to why he's commenting like that.

Eldar [01:22:37]:
Totally. The reason why you have lacking thoughts is because you haven't experienced the thing in the matter. Therefore, I can't continue this conversation because you need the experience in the matter. If that's the truth, that's it. If that's the truth, that's where they end the conversation and they have no more conversation. You know what? Why is he continuing to argue? You know what, Phil?

Andrey [01:22:58]:
He's the guy.

Eldar [01:22:58]:
Why is he trying to use imagination to instill a certain thing into him, to be able for him to prove his point?

Phillip [01:23:05]:
I think he just kept trying to reiterate the point that he.

Andrey [01:23:08]:
I'm not convincing him of anything.

Eldar [01:23:11]:
The only way he's going to get there is through experience.

Andrey [01:23:14]:
I think what I was telling him, I respect the person.

Mike [01:23:17]:
Sounds like Tolly. Andrea.

Eldar [01:23:22]:
Explain that to me.

Andrey [01:23:23]:
Hey, Philip, you know what? Tolly to me is the guy. He's going into operation.

Eldar [01:23:27]:
The question is, how do you derive the knowledge?

Andrey [01:23:29]:
He's tapping the shoulder saying, look, I.

Eldar [01:23:31]:
Don'T gotta go there to make my conclusion.

Andrey [01:23:33]:
Don't cut that vessel. I know better. That's to me what he's.

Phillip [01:23:37]:
But that's what I'm getting. So I don't understand. So if it's just like a tactical fun philosophy thing, okay, fine. He's just drawing him into like a hole that's never going to get done. But I'm thinking we're just talking and having a conversation. So I'm getting it from the.

Eldar [01:23:52]:
My job is for you to observe what I'm observing.

Phillip [01:23:55]:
Yeah, so I'm observing totally.

Eldar [01:23:56]:
But you're taking aside. Don't, try not to.

Phillip [01:23:58]:
No, but I'm observing confusion as to why Tolly keeps saying that.

Eldar [01:24:03]:
That's because you're being biased towards maybe Dre for.

Phillip [01:24:05]:
No, because I have similar experiences to Dre also.

Eldar [01:24:08]:
Experiences.

Andrey [01:24:09]:
Yes.

Eldar [01:24:09]:
See that?

Eldar [01:24:10]:
So therefore, you shouldn't even be talking to the man. He had no experiences.

Phillip [01:24:14]:
Okay, agree.

Andrey [01:24:15]:
For example, if this guy never went.

Eldar [01:24:17]:
To, you should rule him out.

Andrey [01:24:18]:
This guy never went to Osaka, Japan, and he goes, you know what? I don't need to take heroin to.

Eldar [01:24:23]:
Know that it's bad for you.

Andrey [01:24:25]:
Okay? But he's like, you know, that city really smells. I never went there, but I just think it is like that. Maybe I read it on the Internet. Not that the guys, not the 2000 men that have been living there and they've all gave testimonials that it actually doesn't smell. I know better because you don't need to be there to experience the sight, taste, smell.

Eldar [01:24:44]:
And I would be like, no, I.

Andrey [01:24:46]:
Take more credibility in the physical presence and experience. From a philosophical standpoint, you're right. You can say there's a fundamental truth. Maybe he knows better. He's better, but that's not interesting. Who knows better? Who's smarter?

Eldar [01:24:58]:
For me, I respect the person, whether.

Andrey [01:25:01]:
They'Re wrong or right. That said, you know what? This is important. Let me check.

Eldar [01:25:05]:
My question is, why are you entertaining him in the first place?

Phillip [01:25:08]:
Because he's saying he doesn't need to have the experience to know this. He's saying he doesn't need to have the experience to know this. So he's saying he doesn't need to have this.

Andrey [01:25:15]:
Yeah, I hope we can disagree at.

Eldar [01:25:17]:
All, respectfully, because I don't think Tony's getting up to punch you in. The.

Andrey [01:25:22]:
Lot of people like my buddy.

Eldar [01:25:25]:
No, I think you underestimate his ability to be able to use his imagination in order to know. I lived in Hawaii, right?

Andrey [01:25:32]:
For like, whatever, five years. And my budy was know. He just was on the phone. He's like, you know, there's buildings more than four floors in Hawaii. I didn't think so. Because his worldview, his mindset, kind of like, oh, these women are uneducated and they're just using you for your money. That can be further true, because I would argue that the people that are in a place where there's high inflation, high cost, they have even more incentive to use you for your money because you literally can get a taco and a repa for like a dollar, and women are generally thanking you for it. Whereas in the US, you could spend 50, $60 in a day.

Eldar [01:26:05]:
That's like a bare minimum.

Andrey [01:26:07]:
So it's like, as a dude, as.

Eldar [01:26:09]:
A dude, you're like, oh, these women.

Andrey [01:26:11]:
Just care about money.

Eldar [01:26:12]:
These kids who care about.

Eldar [01:26:13]:
That's every woman.

Andrey [01:26:14]:
We're not talking about experience of a guy where maybe you don't have all the means in the world.

Eldar [01:26:19]:
You're like, I kind of like this.

Andrey [01:26:21]:
People are very grateful. They're more grateful. That's the culture thing. You can't say that every human being, just because you're a grateful person, every human being you come across within this country, whereas you go to another country and they're grateful for even the littlest.

Eldar [01:26:33]:
Things, where in the US it's like, shit.

Andrey [01:26:36]:
They wouldn't be grateful for ten times more than that. That's observation people make. There's a tangible, palpable difference where your.

Eldar [01:26:42]:
Life is improved because people are more.

Andrey [01:26:45]:
Considerate and more grateful for less.

Eldar [01:26:47]:
And isn't that what human beings should be?

Andrey [01:26:49]:
More kind, more grateful if you don't.

Eldar [01:26:51]:
Have the ability to instill that in your own reality?

Andrey [01:26:54]:
Absolutely.

Eldar [01:26:55]:
You should move.

Andrey [01:26:56]:
You could be yourself and you could be the most grateful. But wouldn't it be nice to have.

Eldar [01:27:00]:
People around you like that by default you make?

Mike [01:27:03]:
Wouldn't it be nice not only, you're.

Andrey [01:27:06]:
Not empowering, not only your circle of friends or your own sphere of influence.

Eldar [01:27:11]:
What about the general culture of the.

Andrey [01:27:15]:
Place you're in, of the people that you're seeing? You could say, I don't care about anything, whatever, but then no one would ever do anything. There would be no motivation.

Eldar [01:27:24]:
Yes, but I'm not holding my breath for them to be able to. I agree, but to be able to.

Andrey [01:27:28]:
Influence my experience, man, here's the thing. You could be like, nothing bothers me ever, if somebody punches me in the face.

Eldar [01:27:36]:
I'm not saying that a lot of shit bothers me, bro.

Andrey [01:27:39]:
What if you could be in a place where you don't have to psych yourself out or be a meditative monk, to be like, you know what? None of this affects me. Because if you're saying you're like that and you've actualized yourself, that's like end state buddhist meditation, what you're looking forward to. Well, have you reached that? I'm not saying I don't think we did.

Eldar [01:27:55]:
No, but I think that you're asking these questions in order to reach that.

Andrey [01:27:59]:
But wouldn't it be nice to be in a place.

Eldar [01:28:02]:
I'm not sure. I don't think he's looking. Places exist, bro.

Anatoliy [01:28:05]:
No, but I don't think he's looking to reach. I think he's trying to find it.

Andrey [01:28:07]:
There's degrees. There's degrees, elder, and there's different cultural differences. That's what he was saying.

Eldar [01:28:12]:
You want a little bit of.

Andrey [01:28:13]:
But I've observed this. I didn't read about this on the Internet. Yeah, I've observed this and I've observed it and I've internalized it and I haven't asked Tolly about it, who's never seen it, never met these people. I've actually observed it and it's nice. Doesn't mean I'm like, oh, well, that's it. I'm going to move there. But that's a cost decision, cost benefit analysis you're going to make. I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything.

Eldar [01:28:33]:
Yeah, I still would prefer an intentional effort versus unintentional effort that I have to think about and evaluate whether or.

Eldar [01:28:40]:
Not it was a good thing or bad thing.

Eldar [01:28:42]:
Say that again.

Andrey [01:28:43]:
Intentional effort. On whose part?

Eldar [01:28:45]:
On my part.

Andrey [01:28:45]:
So you would prefer an intentional effort on your part to do what?

Eldar [01:28:49]:
To be faced with challenge in order to be able to diffuse the challenge. On my time and my effort.

Eldar [01:28:55]:
It's on my time.

Eldar [01:28:57]:
It's going to be my way whether.

Eldar [01:28:58]:
You like it or not.

Eldar [01:28:59]:
I still would like to prefer that. I wouldn't want to put my emotions and my feelings on somebody else's accord.

Anatoliy [01:29:08]:
Why would you want to seek all that education where you could just find.

Eldar [01:29:10]:
The great Willy Wonka factory.

Eldar [01:29:13]:
Because at the end of the day, I cannot control all the variables that are out there in the world.

Anatoliy [01:29:18]:
But you haven't traveled there yet.

Andrey [01:29:20]:
Exactly my point. People have different.

Eldar [01:29:22]:
Show me where that place is.

Andrey [01:29:24]:
People have different priorities in life. Some people may say, well, this place has really shitty weather, but I like this healthier food, there's better soil, or people are kinder, or people are more family oriented. If you live in a utopia where you think everywhere is the same and all cultures are the same, all men are the same, all women are the same, that's just not a fact.

Eldar [01:29:44]:
When you're busy creating utopia, when you're busy on creating your own utopia, it's impossible to find yourself.

Andrey [01:29:51]:
It's not a utopia. It's having a priorities and values and you find that, you know what? I value this a little more. This a little less. This fits me better. Doesn't mean you're happy. You could be the most depressed person in the world, or you could be literally the happiest person in the world.

Eldar [01:30:05]:
Because a lot of that is genetic.

Andrey [01:30:07]:
And you could say, you know what? I value this better.

Eldar [01:30:10]:
I like this better. That's it.

Andrey [01:30:13]:
And what he's saying about.

Eldar [01:30:17]:
These are reproducible.

Andrey [01:30:19]:
People go there, they observe it. You could say they're full of shit all you want, but I don't think.

Eldar [01:30:23]:
You'Re going to convince them. They observe it.

Anatoliy [01:30:26]:
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

Andrey [01:30:28]:
Yeah, no, I don't think you are.

Anatoliy [01:30:30]:
But I think if somebody wants to have a recession about it, I generally don't think you're open. I'm completely open to have it, but I respect that.

Andrey [01:30:40]:
Said, you know what? Let me see if this is true.

Eldar [01:30:42]:
Or not and then draw a conclusion. Why is that your bar?

Andrey [01:30:47]:
Was that because it's part of being human is being curious about the world.

Eldar [01:30:54]:
Curiosity keeps an open mind, which you respect.

Andrey [01:30:56]:
Yeah, that's something I value.

Eldar [01:30:59]:
Open mindedness.

Andrey [01:31:00]:
Yeah, open mindedness. Say I was wrong about that. And I think that's why a lot.

Eldar [01:31:04]:
Of almost like, hey, you want people to acknowledge that they were.

Andrey [01:31:08]:
Why do you think a lot of countries don't respect and dislike Americans? Do you think it's because they're rich?

Eldar [01:31:14]:
But you feel a certain type of way when the person finally, okay, cool, I surrender here. I was wrong.

Eldar [01:31:21]:
You respect that acknowledgment.

Andrey [01:31:26]:
Mostly in myself.

Eldar [01:31:28]:
If somebody else says that, if a.

Andrey [01:31:32]:
Person says, I was wrong about that, if I see that, you know what? They've actually looked into this. They've really deep dived in it. And I respect that because I think that's not that common in humans, especially as they get older. Like there's fossilized beliefs that never, that's.

Eldar [01:31:48]:
Something you value in yourself.

Andrey [01:31:50]:
I'd like to think so.

Eldar [01:31:51]:
Yeah. Okay.

Andrey [01:31:55]:
I think we don't disagree as much as we think. I think you can tell somebody, you know what?

Eldar [01:32:00]:
I think that you underestimate his open mindedness.

Andrey [01:32:04]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:32:05]:
You just don't like his imagination.

Andrey [01:32:06]:
I think he can say, you know what, your experience is wrong. But when the person have a lot of things at stake, they've went there, they've looked at it, they've liked it, and I found it to be reproducible.

Eldar [01:32:19]:
Among a lot of people.

Andrey [01:32:21]:
Groupthink is. I'm the first one to admit that groupthink is bullshit.

Eldar [01:32:25]:
Doesn't mean that it's right.

Anatoliy [01:32:29]:
I don't know how you could say that after everything you just said.

Andrey [01:32:31]:
No, that's the complete opposite. Like you said, if you're talking to an individual person one on one, and they're the ones that say, you know what, I did that and I had direct experience. I didn't read about it on the.

Eldar [01:32:42]:
Internet or I didn't use it, I'm like, you know what, I respect that. That's great.

Eldar [01:32:49]:
Yeah.

Andrey [01:32:49]:
But even, for example, I don't see.

Eldar [01:32:51]:
The value in that.

Andrey [01:32:53]:
I don't see the value in telling and saying, you know what, I know the absolute truth. And you know what? This person is incorrect. This person is incorrect.

Eldar [01:33:00]:
This person.

Andrey [01:33:01]:
I think that's useless because you're not going to.

Anatoliy [01:33:03]:
No, I'm saying that otherwise. I'm saying that I'm more agreeing with. What elder is saying is that no.

Eldar [01:33:09]:
Matter where you are, I think that.

Anatoliy [01:33:11]:
If you challenge yourself and you're willing.

Eldar [01:33:15]:
To look within, I think that you.

Anatoliy [01:33:18]:
Have the opportunity to create whatever your.

Eldar [01:33:22]:
Imagination wants to create. Now, if you don't have those abilities.

Anatoliy [01:33:27]:
I think that you will definitely be.

Eldar [01:33:29]:
More prone to try to go find.

Anatoliy [01:33:31]:
Them and try to see if there.

Eldar [01:33:33]:
Is a better place to maybe accept.

Anatoliy [01:33:36]:
You more or to treat you a particular way, the way that you currently are.

Eldar [01:33:40]:
Right, but I think what you're saying is true.

Andrey [01:33:44]:
If you're just saying it's true, you're.

Eldar [01:33:46]:
Dismissing human, basically motivation for existence, for Survival.

Andrey [01:33:53]:
Survival is putting yourself in a safer place. Survival is ensuring the safety of your children. Yeah, what he's saying is true. You're going against.

Eldar [01:34:03]:
No, that is attached to a lot of things that are going on, especially.

Andrey [01:34:07]:
If you created a base right.

Eldar [01:34:09]:
If something happens to our place right here, if something's going down, it is.

Eldar [01:34:13]:
Not that I'm leaving by myself. I'm not the only one who's leaving here for safety, okay? I'm bringing everybody for safety.

Eldar [01:34:23]:
Be it Colombia, be it Mexico, be it, whatever, Europe, where everybody's leaving. This is no longer like, I'm just going to leave and save my ass.

Andrey [01:34:31]:
You're telling him and these guys to be like, you know what? You haven't looked deep inside yourself to make yourself happier. Whereas happiness, contentment, daily, level of feeling good.

Eldar [01:34:42]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:34:43]:
And you're peddling external happiness in order to drive you and make you feel a certain type of way.

Eldar [01:34:50]:
Correct?

Eldar [01:34:50]:
I am not for that at all.

Andrey [01:34:52]:
No, it's not external value.

Eldar [01:34:54]:
No.

Anatoliy [01:34:55]:
Environment, cultures.

Eldar [01:34:57]:
Yes.

Andrey [01:34:58]:
You know what it is? It's pragmatic. Things that will, whatever you value, you can find it easier.

Eldar [01:35:04]:
The things that, 100%. But at the end of the day, you only have, you will be dissatisfied in those places.

Anatoliy [01:35:12]:
I think that's the biggest difference between us.

Eldar [01:35:14]:
Yeah.

Andrey [01:35:14]:
And there's nothing wrong with that.

Eldar [01:35:15]:
You're going to be dissatisfied in those places regardless, because at the end of the day, you're searching for yourself, and yourself is outside of the world.

Eldar [01:35:24]:
Whoa.

Anatoliy [01:35:24]:
And if you keep trying to search for yourself outside of yourself, you will never find it.

Eldar [01:35:28]:
You will never find it.

Eldar [01:35:29]:
You can do both.

Eldar [01:35:32]:
Examples.

Phillip [01:35:32]:
I don't think these people are coming from a place of lack like that. Seems like a curious guy who's successful here, who likes it here, who's going to another place and says, hey, I like this place.

Mike [01:35:44]:
It's an avoidance.

Anatoliy [01:35:45]:
Unhappy individual who's trying to find their look within.

Eldar [01:35:48]:
It's an avoidance somewhere else, outside of themselves.

Anatoliy [01:35:51]:
The things that you work on day to day to improve yourself so that you can live a better life internally here. Now you enjoy doing them because when you're able to work on them and.

Andrey [01:36:03]:
Do them, no one should go anyway. By your theory, no one should go anywhere.

Eldar [01:36:06]:
Correct.

Anatoliy [01:36:08]:
You have control over that and that you did that. His philosophy is more of like, he wants to find a place where he could.

Andrey [01:36:15]:
People are hunter gatherers. Based on where he is, people like.

Eldar [01:36:18]:
He could try to fuck only because.

Anatoliy [01:36:19]:
They lack knowledge of the somebody else acting a certain way.

Phillip [01:36:22]:
No, but he's also, from my gathering, he's also happy here.

Eldar [01:36:30]:
In the moment.

Andrey [01:36:31]:
I'm happier than everyone sitting here anywhere.

Phillip [01:36:33]:
That's what it's saying.

Eldar [01:36:34]:
He's happy also.

Phillip [01:36:35]:
So what I'm getting is that he's happy as a result of being happy.

Andrey [01:36:54]:
Because I remember when Elder was trying to impose his elderism views on me, he thought, you know what, what thoughts?

Eldar [01:37:04]:
I impose something on you?

Andrey [01:37:06]:
No, I can tell you, but certain lifestyles you were trying to impose on me, please tell me because I don't.

Eldar [01:37:14]:
Want to impose anything on you that.

Andrey [01:37:16]:
You knew what would make somebody happy and that you actually have it figured out.

Eldar [01:37:19]:
Can you please tell me what it is?

Andrey [01:37:20]:
But you can never know if you're happier than the other person or if you know.

Eldar [01:37:23]:
But can you tell me what it is?

Eldar [01:37:24]:
No.

Andrey [01:37:25]:
Certain lifestyles.

Eldar [01:37:26]:
Can you tell me what those are? Because I don't even remember what those are.

Eldar [01:37:28]:
Can you please explain here why blow me up now?

Mike [01:37:33]:
You can put them on spot.

Anatoliy [01:37:34]:
I would love to hear these two.

Mike [01:37:36]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [01:37:37]:
I'm not saying fall in love.

Andrey [01:37:38]:
I'm not saying anything bad about that, but I'm saying no.

Eldar [01:37:42]:
I would love to know.

Anatoliy [01:37:43]:
I would love to know here because maybe I'm being oppressed as well.

Mike [01:37:46]:
Me too, actually.

Anatoliy [01:37:47]:
You can help all of us.

Andrey [01:37:51]:
And that's where I disagreed.

Anatoliy [01:37:53]:
Have you been fucking with us?

Eldar [01:37:55]:
I've been brainwashing you for all these years. You've been brainwashing you?

Anatoliy [01:37:58]:
Can you tell us, why is Phil yelling?

Eldar [01:38:01]:
We can't move on. Why are you screaming at me?

Phillip [01:38:08]:
But you're not hearing me though. That's why I'm yelling.

Eldar [01:38:13]:
He hasn't said one thing.

Phillip [01:38:17]:
No.

Eldar [01:38:20]:
You fucked off Phil.

Phillip [01:38:26]:
No. For him to say what he's saying. He's saying he's happy right now. So all you guys are saying that you know him better than I know him. And I'm just taking it for face value.

Eldar [01:38:36]:
This person, I don't.

Phillip [01:38:37]:
Okay, so he's saying that he's happy.

Andrey [01:38:39]:
The reason this started is when.

Phillip [01:38:41]:
Okay, so how are you guys discrediting him if he's saying he's happy?

Eldar [01:38:44]:
No, we're only discrediting ideas that he's proposing. We don't know what the fuck he's doing.

Phillip [01:38:48]:
This is what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that this is a guy that's happy in America who's successful, who's.

Eldar [01:38:54]:
Then that's why he's traveling outside of America as much as possible.

Eldar [01:38:57]:
Okay.

Phillip [01:38:57]:
But he's able to go out to other places, not having to go to them. He's saying he's coming from a place of curiosity and saying, hey, I'm observing that there are cultures like this in other places, but he's still here and he's still doing.

Andrey [01:39:10]:
I was moved place by the military, not by my own choice.

Phillip [01:39:13]:
So I'm saying isn't don't.

Eldar [01:39:22]:
Red button.

Phillip [01:39:24]:
I'm saying environment matter based off of that.

Eldar [01:39:28]:
She's right.

Phillip [01:39:29]:
Or die.

Eldar [01:39:31]:
Whoa, whoa. Hold on.

Anatoliy [01:39:32]:
We got to revisit that statement.

Eldar [01:39:34]:
Your parents forced you into military.

Andrey [01:39:37]:
No, I said I was sent to places by the military, that I didn't have a decision.

Anatoliy [01:39:41]:
Who chose to go to the military?

Eldar [01:39:42]:
I did. Oh, okay.

Andrey [01:39:44]:
Sounds good.

Eldar [01:39:44]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:39:45]:
That logic, I don't think it'll work for Philip as well.

Andrey [01:39:48]:
My point is. My point.

Eldar [01:39:53]:
I was believing the right person here.

Phillip [01:39:55]:
No, I can only take him for what he's saying, and that's it. I don't know him. You guys seem like you're taking.

Eldar [01:40:03]:
It was taken from him because of.

Phillip [01:40:06]:
Military, but he's talking about work. I'm judging him from where he's at now.

Eldar [01:40:11]:
Okay.

Phillip [01:40:11]:
He's saying that he's happy now. And these places that he's traveling now, you're going now as a person, right?

Andrey [01:40:16]:
Like, not for work.

Eldar [01:40:17]:
This is what I'm getting.

Phillip [01:40:18]:
I'm getting it as a civilian, so it has nothing to do with work.

Eldar [01:40:22]:
Yeah.

Phillip [01:40:22]:
So I'm getting it that maybe he has to travel for work, but when he's talking, like, traveling and doing these things, I'm under the impression that he's doing it as a result of him being happy here and just going to these places for pleasure and observing them as, like, a person.

Anatoliy [01:40:36]:
Learning moment.

Andrey [01:40:37]:
Observation.

Eldar [01:40:38]:
Yeah.

Phillip [01:40:38]:
He's saying he's a curious guy, so he's going to these places and saying, hey, I'm being observant of this kind of kind and compassionate culture, and people as a whole are saying this, but he's also saying, hey, don't take it for the group. Take it for me. I actually went there. I'm a happy guy here. I'm going to other places based off of curiosity, or he's not looking for happiness elsewhere. I'm getting that. He's making observations based off the places. So I think from that, you can say that environments do matter, and if you value something more, like kindness and compassionate, we're not saying discredit the individual, and you can't be a strong, individualized person and self actualize anywhere in the world.

Phillip [01:41:16]:
I'm agreeing with that. I think you can, but if you're able to go to these places and say, hey, as a general whole, I'm happy, but I'm going here, and I'm noticing that I don't have to be as strong. I can just kind of let my hair down a little bit and relax a little more and not have to be as uptight. My quality of life will improve as a result.

Eldar [01:41:37]:
The thing is, you can't just throw these things out there without me asking you a question about what does that mean about you being uptight a certain type of way, and then you're just letting your hair down. Okay, what does this mean? What do those two identities actually entail and why do they exist consecutively?

Anatoliy [01:41:55]:
Well, you would have to travel to those places to answer that.

Eldar [01:41:58]:
Oh, I'm not going to be able to do that.

Phillip [01:42:01]:
Can you do, I think there's the individual.

Eldar [01:42:04]:
Okay.

Andrey [01:42:04]:
He's good at straw manning.

Eldar [01:42:06]:
He's good.

Eldar [01:42:07]:
So good at it. He's good, right? No, but there's the investigator. No, but there's the individual.

Phillip [01:42:15]:
There's the individual and then the environment.

Eldar [01:42:17]:
Okay.

Phillip [01:42:19]:
There's two different variables.

Andrey [01:42:20]:
Crediting basic human motivation, literally to go out to the sun, into the warmth, into the kindness. They're discrediting basic human motivation for survival for, what's it called? Community, for family. Well, you should just be happy where you are.

Phillip [01:42:40]:
They're putting everything fully reliant on the individual.

Andrey [01:42:42]:
Just meditate and be happy wherever you are. Why don't they just go into a forest and do that? That's what they. I don't know.

Eldar [01:42:49]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:42:49]:
To me, why are they so close minded?

Eldar [01:42:51]:
Yeah.

Phillip [01:42:52]:
If you were coming from a place and saying that you weren't happy and you were trying to find something out of there, I would agree with Eldor's example. And I would say, like, yes, I think you should be more self empowered before you go to those places. Just like I think you should be more self empowered before you put yourself in a position to be in a relationship. I think if you're coming from a place of weakness and insecurity and you have things to fix within yourself, I wouldn't recommend you go jump into a relationship and figure out the means. Yeah, I'm not agreeing. I agree that you should be a self motivated person, that you should work on yourself and that you should try to be in whole and complete as possible. So if you're doing that and going to other places and making observations, I.

Mike [01:43:28]:
Didn'T know he's doing that.

Phillip [01:43:30]:
What am I supposed to just tell him? Like, no, he's not doing this.

Mike [01:43:32]:
Oh, you just believe everybody for that word?

Anatoliy [01:43:36]:
It's the same way as that. Any of the places that you worked at or been or people that you've met, they say certain things and they act certain ways. But you may have felt certain ways about that.

Andrey [01:43:45]:
Just because they're saying something does not mean that.

Anatoliy [01:43:48]:
That's what it means.

Eldar [01:43:49]:
Absolutely.

Anatoliy [01:43:49]:
Which is why if you disagree with the take, you could challenge somebody, talk about it, and see if they have what it takes to talk.

Mike [01:43:57]:
If they actually believe in the shit they're saying, or they just brainwashed.

Anatoliy [01:44:01]:
You don't believe those people in Houston's, right?

Phillip [01:44:04]:
No.

Eldar [01:44:05]:
Why not?

Mike [01:44:05]:
Why not?

Phillip [01:44:06]:
What happened with, I went there, I experienced it myself.

Eldar [01:44:08]:
No.

Anatoliy [01:44:09]:
Why don't you believe that?

Andrey [01:44:10]:
Bingo.

Phillip [01:44:10]:
Because now I'm coming from a place of being more aware.

Anatoliy [01:44:13]:
No, but I'm saying that.

Eldar [01:44:15]:
Why can't you just.

Eldar [01:44:15]:
Yeah, but why can't you take their word for it?

Phillip [01:44:17]:
Why can't I take their word for it? Because I already went through it myself as an individual.

Eldar [01:44:21]:
No.

Eldar [01:44:21]:
So what experience, your experience is not the same as everybody's.

Phillip [01:44:25]:
Could I.

Anatoliy [01:44:26]:
Why don't anymore?

Eldar [01:44:28]:
Right.

Phillip [01:44:28]:
I can't to that specific person. So that's what I'm saying. This is a subjective experience to this individual person where it seems like you have more knowledge on him as an individual.

Anatoliy [01:44:37]:
No, I don't need to have any knowledge of him as an individual because we're talking about. We could talk about subjective things, but then when we challenge each other about it, we need to take your thing and my thing, put it in the middle for it to live outside of me and you and see what's real and what's not.

Eldar [01:44:55]:
That's it.

Eldar [01:44:57]:
However, at the end of the day.

Anatoliy [01:44:58]:
Those two individuals can walk away completely with their own subjective. What's it called? Beliefs. But the only way to have a conversation of it is to take mine, take it out of me. It does not belong to me anymore. And that's where you talk about something of, like, truth.

Eldar [01:45:12]:
Right.

Anatoliy [01:45:13]:
Because that lives outside of me and him. That is it.

Andrey [01:45:18]:
So how do you get there based.

Phillip [01:45:20]:
Off of what he's talking about?

Mike [01:45:22]:
You ask questions to get to the.

Anatoliy [01:45:24]:
Core and you challenge, and you have a conversation behind it. And then you'll quickly see, just because someone is saying something and giving you their opinion on it, they could be under the wrong.

Mike [01:45:33]:
You can't take their word, or they could be correct.

Phillip [01:45:37]:
The reason I'm agreeing is because I've also traveled and I've also witnessed this similar thing. So I'm saying yes, based off experience. I think that matters in this conversation. You're saying that you don't, and I think it's fine, but what kind of.

Mike [01:45:51]:
Mindset were you in when you were traveling? Like, I'll throw you a biggest kicker.

Eldar [01:45:54]:
Right?

Mike [01:45:54]:
You on vacation? Everything is fucking lovely.

Eldar [01:45:57]:
Doesn't matter.

Phillip [01:45:58]:
I'm talking about growing up in a place, living in a place, and going to visit places throughout my life.

Eldar [01:46:03]:
But I also. Did you open a place? Were you not raving about it?

Mike [01:46:06]:
Were you not under the wrong impression about other things in your previous life?

Phillip [01:46:09]:
Yeah, but it doesn't mean that I wasn't right. It doesn't mean that I was wrong.

Eldar [01:46:13]:
It's the kicker that things are not going the way you want them to go right now in your life. Might be the kicker as to why you have the experience that you do.

Phillip [01:46:20]:
No, I'm recalling things from even years ago. So I'm saying, could you be wrong.

Mike [01:46:26]:
About the way you interpret those things, though?

Phillip [01:46:28]:
The way that I interpret?

Mike [01:46:29]:
Because your capacity and your level of.

Andrey [01:46:31]:
Development, you can think everything you've ever thought is wrong, but you're making actions and decisions based on. It's nothing wrong with saying, was I right? Was I right? But if a person is not in your body, they're not in your being, not only their enemy.

Mike [01:46:44]:
We don't have to be in their body to discuss an actual truth.

Andrey [01:46:47]:
You can discuss it.

Mike [01:46:49]:
We don't have to experience every single thing to say there's wrong.

Eldar [01:46:52]:
Right.

Mike [01:46:53]:
You don't need to try heroin or our bank to know that it's wrong for you.

Andrey [01:46:58]:
It's a raw physiologic body experience.

Eldar [01:47:02]:
I agree.

Phillip [01:47:04]:
How would you know that with heroin without trying it?

Andrey [01:47:06]:
Do you know what.

Anatoliy [01:47:10]:
Why do you.

Mike [01:47:11]:
Not want to understand? It's very dangerous.

Eldar [01:47:13]:
From who?

Mike [01:47:14]:
From what I've seen to having a.

Eldar [01:47:16]:
People in front of cold imagination.

Phillip [01:47:18]:
So to me, we're valuing imagination and experience and we're saying they're the same thing.

Andrey [01:47:23]:
So we're saying that.

Mike [01:47:26]:
You're saying that heroin is good.

Andrey [01:47:27]:
I'm telling toll I went, we're saying.

Eldar [01:47:29]:
That one at a time, guys.

Phillip [01:47:31]:
So we're saying that I can do heroin, it can open up my life and I can think. It's an amazing experience. I can go back to my regular day life and I can experience and talk about like, oh, this opened me up and I can talk this, this and this. And it's great experience. To me, it's experience based. You're saying your opinion is based off of just imagination without experience. His is now saying, I actually experience this thing. He can still have imagination attached with it.

Phillip [01:47:55]:
To me, you're value imagination over experience. So to me, it's just like, what are we talking about? He's saying that his experience is subjective. There's no truth based off of it.

Eldar [01:48:06]:
Right?

Andrey [01:48:07]:
So he's saying that his imagination.

Eldar [01:48:09]:
Why didn't you.

Phillip [01:48:10]:
I don't agree with you.

Mike [01:48:11]:
Why didn't you believe me when I.

Eldar [01:48:12]:
Said I want the Rolex?

Andrey [01:48:13]:
Well said.

Eldar [01:48:14]:
Oh.

Eldar [01:48:19]:
Your opinion doesn't matter.

Phillip [01:48:20]:
But I know you.

Mike [01:48:21]:
I'm telling you I like the Rolex.

Eldar [01:48:23]:
I don't believe.

Mike [01:48:24]:
No, no, you have to believe me. I'm giving you my subjective answer.

Phillip [01:48:27]:
I actually know you.

Mike [01:48:28]:
See how you don't know me?

Phillip [01:48:29]:
I don't know him.

Andrey [01:48:30]:
And I'm just taking his word for.

Mike [01:48:32]:
So how can you make that call, Philip?

Andrey [01:48:34]:
This is what I got based off.

Phillip [01:48:35]:
Of me knowing you.

Andrey [01:48:36]:
I went, how do you know me.

Phillip [01:48:39]:
Off of getting to know you and having conversation like this? You don't think I know you better.

Eldar [01:48:42]:
Than like, I don't think you know.

Mike [01:48:43]:
Me better than I know myself.

Eldar [01:48:45]:
I'm telling you I'm guy and you.

Mike [01:48:47]:
Know me for four months you're going to tell me I'm not.

Andrey [01:48:50]:
You're just owning totally.

Eldar [01:48:52]:
You're proving everything I said.

Andrey [01:48:54]:
You're owning points.

Eldar [01:48:56]:
He reversed it.

Andrey [01:48:57]:
Yeah, but he's proving my points for me and he's owning totally.

Eldar [01:48:59]:
You reversed the imagination as to say like, philip, why are you using your imagination? Do you know how I feel about this?

Phillip [01:49:04]:
Yeah, but I'm not using no elder, that's not imagination. He's making a claim that's not imagination.

Eldar [01:49:11]:
That actually you don't have to have the experience in order to know that something might be untrue.

Phillip [01:49:15]:
No, that's not imagination. That's me observing Mike and going out conversation. That's experience.

Eldar [01:49:21]:
He's giving you an example that you actually have the ability to not experience something but maybe have knowledge of it.

Mike [01:49:29]:
You can observe me, you can have an imagination and you can see things play out. You don't have to buy a Rolex or have a Rolex in order to know exactly what I'm going through.

Phillip [01:49:39]:
Yeah, but I have to be around you and get to know you. So you're making a judgment call on him as an individual.

Mike [01:49:44]:
So every single person that owns a Rolex is automatically blacklisted because I'm blacklisted?

Eldar [01:49:48]:
No.

Phillip [01:49:49]:
If you're getting to know him, you're basically saying that his experience is subjective. Okay, which it is. But you're discrediting his experience, right? I'm getting to know you. I'm not just saying that. Oh, I just met you.

Eldar [01:50:02]:
I don't think you're using the same strategies. What he's trying to say. You're discrediting his.

Phillip [01:50:10]:
No, no, not in my imagination. I'm experiencing Mike in my experience, and I'm observing him and how he acts.

Eldar [01:50:15]:
You can say the same thing about.

Andrey [01:50:16]:
Him, by the way.

Eldar [01:50:17]:
You can say the same thing about him because he's saying that.

Phillip [01:50:20]:
Look, but he didn't experience him there on vacation.

Eldar [01:50:26]:
Nonetheless, he's seeing what the person is saying and how he's behaving and what he's doing and what he's saying and what he's saying. You know what I mean? It's still the same stuff. You could say the same stuff even if you weren't there. You could have, like, oh, shit. Mike's acting this way behind the doors, behind closed scenes. He's still doing the same thing.

Andrey [01:50:43]:
Elder, I went to the beach.

Phillip [01:50:45]:
Yeah, but I think you'd have to.

Eldar [01:50:46]:
I've been known this about Mike without even being there with him, but I'd have these fucking stores. I've been known this, but I'd have.

Phillip [01:50:53]:
To observe that at the place.

Eldar [01:50:54]:
You have to do that. I don't because you think that I was under impression that Mike wasn't a criminal.

Phillip [01:51:00]:
Okay, but that's what I'm saying.

Eldar [01:51:01]:
You guys are saying, I've never been there with him.

Phillip [01:51:04]:
Okay, but then you guys are saying that you know him at a deeper level than I do, so I just have to take him for his word. Then I don't know him. So I have to experience him in that environment. I got to experience Mike in this way. I got to interpret that based off of how he acts as a result of it.

Eldar [01:51:18]:
If that's the way you learn. If that's the way you learn, then that's the way you learn.

Eldar [01:51:23]:
Yeah.

Phillip [01:51:23]:
There has to be experience, because then I would just be taking his word for it. And if he told me that, I would be stupid to just be like, why am I discrediting him without seeing him in that environment and how he operates?

Andrey [01:51:32]:
There has to be.

Eldar [01:51:33]:
Would you say that you're limited?

Phillip [01:51:35]:
No, I would say I need to see him in his experience, which is limited.

Andrey [01:51:38]:
You have to take somebody as your.

Anatoliy [01:51:40]:
Word.

Phillip [01:51:43]:
Over the experience.

Eldar [01:51:44]:
You're yet to unlock the ability to imagine level of your character without having experience and see the person in that element in order to see what they're about because you're not really paying attention to what they're actually saying. I think that way they're moving. I don't have to go there to fucking know that Mike was fucking elder can.

Phillip [01:52:05]:
No, but you know Mike for a.

Eldar [01:52:06]:
Very, very long time, so it's easier for you to use. That is what I'm saying.

Eldar [01:52:10]:
That's fine.

Eldar [01:52:11]:
Nonetheless, you're saying that as a tool, you're acknowledging it is a tool that can be used.

Phillip [01:52:15]:
It can, but you have to know that person and also have experiences.

Andrey [01:52:20]:
He then has to know him.

Anatoliy [01:52:24]:
That's just one way to know somebody for a long time, potentially, and do that. But I think that you've probably spoken to people who are extremely ignorant, probably spoken to people who are very smart. For example, people who are in the middle, right. Just by how someone speaks and carries themselves and answers questions and engages in dialect, you could learn a lot.

Eldar [01:52:49]:
I knew that girl for.

Mike [01:52:53]:
I knew.

Eldar [01:52:53]:
That girl for 3 hours, and I.

Mike [01:52:55]:
Knew everything I need to know about her.

Eldar [01:52:56]:
Right.

Phillip [01:52:57]:
I think you can, because I listen.

Mike [01:52:58]:
That'S what I'm saying.

Anatoliy [01:52:59]:
Because if we're having a conversation and you're carrying yourself a particular way, it tells me a lot. And my brain during this whole time receiving computing is like, not a genius or anything, but it's computing certain things. And I'm not a person that I hear something and I'm just like, oh, Philip said that. I don't know, someone says something. I am definitely not a personality where I just take people at face value, right? I'm okay with taking it, but then we're going to talk about it, and then just through that conversation, I'm going to be able to see what you're actually about. And I think oftentimes, especially, for example, like in the materialistic world, right, people could flaunt certain things, do certain things, and certain people will have particular perceptions of those people, right. Without ever experiencing anything with them, right? Example, right? I don't know those guys. Like, for example, like the grant cardone's or the Tony Robbins or stuff like that.

Anatoliy [01:54:01]:
Or like people who are extremely rich celebrities, right? They have certain things and they portray a particular lifestyle, right? And people take on face value. That's a happy individual. What, did those people hang out with those people for a decade, get to know them and then make that opinion? No, they got that opinion.

Andrey [01:54:21]:
But you can't assume.

Eldar [01:54:25]:
No, you cannot assume that they're happy, is what he's trying to say.

Andrey [01:54:29]:
I know what he's trying to say.

Eldar [01:54:30]:
He's just trying to battle that same.

Phillip [01:54:32]:
Thing, but that's fine. So ultimately, you have to be around that person, experience them to make the real judgment.

Eldar [01:54:38]:
No, you don't. You told us to look up to.

Mike [01:54:41]:
Those people, and now you fucking discussed it by them.

Eldar [01:54:43]:
Yeah, but you said this on the podcast. You've met yourself, and you're able to pay attention to what they're saying. Yeah, as soon as you pay attention to what they're saying, you can know everything about them. You're like, holy shit, you can. Motherfucker is a monster.

Eldar [01:55:01]:
You can.

Phillip [01:55:02]:
And those are, like, extreme examples of things. And, yes, learning yourself, I do agree.

Eldar [01:55:07]:
Yes.

Phillip [01:55:07]:
But if you're discounting experience and you're saying, I do have the knowledge, and I'm saying.

Andrey [01:55:11]:
He's saying. He's thinking based on saying that the.

Mike [01:55:13]:
Experience is a bad thing, but smarter ways to do it.

Phillip [01:55:17]:
But to me, it sounds like we're discrediting it and we're utilizing imagination over the experience. I think you can use both.

Eldar [01:55:24]:
Right.

Phillip [01:55:25]:
But in his case, it seems like.

Eldar [01:55:27]:
My mama will say this line, a smart person learns from other people's mistakes. You know what that is?

Eldar [01:55:32]:
What's that?

Eldar [01:55:33]:
Well, think about it.

Andrey [01:55:35]:
The golden rule.

Eldar [01:55:36]:
Observation, right? Me, you both walking, and you stepped in that puddle, and you twisted your ankle because you didn't know how deep that motherfucker was. I'm like, oh, shit, I don't want to twist my ankle there around it.

Andrey [01:55:49]:
How's that relevant?

Eldar [01:55:50]:
You know what I'm saying? I'm learning through understanding your experience. You tell me it's my imagination.

Andrey [01:55:56]:
Totally never did that.

Eldar [01:55:57]:
I don't have to do it. Totally never. I don't have to do it.

Andrey [01:56:00]:
He never did that.

Eldar [01:56:01]:
He did.

Anatoliy [01:56:01]:
I just know it.

Mike [01:56:02]:
He watches international porn.

Eldar [01:56:06]:
For example.

Andrey [01:56:07]:
This conversation to me was, I went on the beach. I got a two hour massage every day for seven days. I felt great. Until he said, you know what? You actually didn't feel good.

Eldar [01:56:16]:
Yeah, he's not taking your word for it. Yeah, to me, a lot.

Andrey [01:56:21]:
Interesting. It's a moot point.

Eldar [01:56:22]:
Even if he says it.

Andrey [01:56:23]:
He could be even.

Eldar [01:56:24]:
Right?

Andrey [01:56:24]:
Which he's not. But even if he is, does it matter to anybody? For example, he's trying to convince. You know what? I think you're bullshitting. That massage was not nice. You didn't feel good, even though it's a physiologic reaction, but the person experiencing it, it's relevant to them. You can make any speculation on this but you want, but to me, it's an uninteresting conversation.

Eldar [01:56:43]:
Well, I'm smart.

Anatoliy [01:56:44]:
I can observe people's actions and conversation because you're not interested. In finding out the truth about a situation.

Eldar [01:56:50]:
Oh, shit.

Anatoliy [01:56:51]:
You're more interested in hearing subjective realities that people have.

Andrey [01:56:55]:
I'm interested in a reality that you're interested in hearing.

Eldar [01:56:59]:
What reality?

Andrey [01:57:00]:
You'll be hard pressed to convince somebody when you haven't. Like, you're talking about environment.

Eldar [01:57:05]:
Why did you have the experience that you had?

Andrey [01:57:09]:
No, he didn't.

Eldar [01:57:10]:
He's asking you.

Andrey [01:57:10]:
He never asked me that. He never asked me that.

Eldar [01:57:12]:
Okay, fine, I did. But ultimately that's what it is. It's asking you. But why did you have this? What are the variables that played a role for you to have a very specific environment that you're having in order for you to.

Anatoliy [01:57:23]:
It's an understood conversation because you don't enjoy being challenged. That's it.

Andrey [01:57:28]:
I think most people don't enjoy being challenged.

Anatoliy [01:57:30]:
That is the first thing that I.

Eldar [01:57:32]:
Agree with you all night.

Anatoliy [01:57:34]:
Now we are on the same page.

Eldar [01:57:36]:
Yeah.

Andrey [01:57:36]:
He's trying to tell me exactly. I disagree with your experience. Who cares, Phil?

Anatoliy [01:57:42]:
Who cares? I haven't talked to Mike or elder about this. Right? I don't make a ton of money.

Eldar [01:57:53]:
Right.

Anatoliy [01:57:54]:
But if you say right now, yes, hopefully they will agree. We will fund a one year trip with him, just you and him.

Eldar [01:58:02]:
With who?

Eldar [01:58:02]:
And who?

Mike [01:58:03]:
You and Sue, Philip and you.

Eldar [01:58:07]:
Why?

Andrey [01:58:07]:
What's the reason?

Eldar [01:58:08]:
Oh, shit. You going there?

Anatoliy [01:58:12]:
We'll have to figure it.

Eldar [01:58:14]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:58:14]:
Yeah, Phil.

Eldar [01:58:16]:
Go get it, Phil. So what's the point of deal?

Phillip [01:58:20]:
What's the point of the conversation?

Andrey [01:58:21]:
What's the point of this?

Eldar [01:58:23]:
I'm trying to figure.

Anatoliy [01:58:24]:
I'm saying, if you like what you hear, yeah, we'll send you.

Eldar [01:58:28]:
Oh, big american man.

Andrey [01:58:29]:
He's the one that started this whole point.

Eldar [01:58:31]:
Not.

Anatoliy [01:58:32]:
That's what I'm saying.

Eldar [01:58:35]:
He's saying, put your money where your mouth is. But in this case, he's not even saying money. Nobody just makes money.

Anatoliy [01:58:46]:
We'll figure out the hope. Right?

Andrey [01:58:50]:
What's the point of that?

Mike [01:58:52]:
To prove it.

Eldar [01:58:53]:
To see whether or not you actually believe, whether or not you test theory.

Andrey [01:58:58]:
This is my life.

Phillip [01:58:58]:
He would have to do that.

Eldar [01:59:00]:
No, he's saying that you believe in this. He wants you to actually believe what you're saying.

Andrey [01:59:04]:
No, he's already done it.

Eldar [01:59:11]:
Okay? You got to do it.

Andrey [01:59:12]:
You're right.

Mike [01:59:13]:
He wants to go with you, bro.

Andrey [01:59:15]:
When you have such limited information about the culture, about the place, even about the person's experience and about your experience, if you go by how they're talking, you're in shit. You're still very limited by how they're.

Eldar [01:59:27]:
Talking by their manual culture. That's a very limited environment. That could silence your own self talk, period.

Andrey [01:59:33]:
I agree 100%. Who's trying to silence their own self talk?

Eldar [01:59:37]:
Because that's what the happiness. Like the people.

Andrey [01:59:40]:
But I'm not talking about happy.

Eldar [01:59:41]:
Trying to do this stuff. Oh, what are you saying?

Phillip [01:59:43]:
That I'm coming from a good, happy place here and that he does still like it here, but he's making observations about.

Eldar [01:59:50]:
I'm not even talking about judgment call Phil.

Eldar [01:59:52]:
Yeah.

Andrey [01:59:53]:
I haven't said anything about this place.

Eldar [01:59:59]:
He hasn't said anything good about America.

Andrey [02:00:04]:
Everything is better out there.

Eldar [02:00:05]:
I'm talking about value making.

Phillip [02:00:07]:
No, he's saying based off of what you value, you might find certain.

Anatoliy [02:00:11]:
I'm giving you objective reasons all night why everything is better out there than here, except money.

Eldar [02:00:18]:
Everything. What?

Phillip [02:00:19]:
No, see, the way that I'm getting. You're trying to maybe be more of a family based person. He's saying just by general numbers.

Andrey [02:00:30]:
He's talked a lot about statistics.

Phillip [02:00:31]:
He's saying that you have a better.

Eldar [02:00:37]:
Point.

Phillip [02:00:37]:
I think, as the individual. Eldar has more of the approach of, like, nobody else around me is going to affect my emotions. I'm going to create the environment for.

Eldar [02:00:45]:
Right.

Phillip [02:00:46]:
So, like, you don't have to move.

Eldar [02:00:47]:
Out of the environment. If I still have the faculties. Absolutely.

Andrey [02:00:51]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:00:52]:
Okay.

Phillip [02:00:52]:
So I'm saying that that is correct. But the way that I'm understanding how he's talking about his observations is I asked him if he told me that he's an unhappy person and he's trying to find something outside of himself at another place, I would say asking, why.

Eldar [02:01:07]:
Does he keep going?

Phillip [02:01:08]:
He seems like he generally likes going.

Andrey [02:01:10]:
Some people like traveling. What's wrong with, what is he looking for? That's a preference.

Phillip [02:01:16]:
Isn't that like a.

Eldar [02:01:17]:
What is he looking for?

Andrey [02:01:18]:
Why does everything have to be here?

Phillip [02:01:20]:
Why do you have to be looking for something else?

Andrey [02:01:22]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:01:23]:
What you do. Why do you work here? You have a reason, right? I like it.

Anatoliy [02:01:28]:
You have a reason why you job search?

Eldar [02:01:29]:
Why do you drive what you drive? Why do you live where you live? Why you eat what you eat? Why do you work out? Where you work out?

Phillip [02:01:36]:
I don't know his situation, though.

Anatoliy [02:01:37]:
No, your situation. You have your reasons, right?

Eldar [02:01:41]:
As to why you do what you do.

Anatoliy [02:01:43]:
If you didn't have those reasons, then.

Andrey [02:01:46]:
Somebody else is going to give somebody why they're doing something.

Eldar [02:01:49]:
That's what we want to find.

Anatoliy [02:01:50]:
You would, right?

Eldar [02:01:50]:
Because you didn't have any reasons to me.

Anatoliy [02:01:53]:
That's you keep doing new things until you find what you like.

Eldar [02:01:56]:
Correct. One day you're drinking coffee, next day you stop drinking alcohol.

Phillip [02:02:01]:
No. So let's say he reached a certain point in his career where he's happy here, he has the freedom to do that.

Eldar [02:02:07]:
Right.

Eldar [02:02:07]:
We would like to find out why he keeps traveling.

Phillip [02:02:11]:
Elder, the way that I understand travel from people that I talk to.

Eldar [02:02:17]:
Where are you going?

Phillip [02:02:17]:
They don't have to be unhappy to do this. They have a family.

Andrey [02:02:19]:
They have kids. They have your life.

Phillip [02:02:21]:
Stay in a certain place. But they like to go out and experience different cultures and different people that like to travel. This is a very common thing.

Anatoliy [02:02:27]:
Yeah, but who are these people?

Phillip [02:02:29]:
I know these people. I grew up with these people in Canada. It's like a common thing. They have their own life, their own family. They're not unhappy people. They're going to travel and experience cultures in different places.

Andrey [02:02:40]:
They're trying to teach their kids other ways.

Anatoliy [02:02:45]:
I think once an individual finds that's exactly what makes them happy, what they like to do.

Andrey [02:02:50]:
Mike is taking first class flight.

Anatoliy [02:02:52]:
They have the right family around them, the right friends around them, the right everything. They're not going anywhere.

Andrey [02:03:01]:
Yeah, but I just want to eat.

Mike [02:03:02]:
Caviar, so I throw up.

Andrey [02:03:03]:
He's just going to travel. Everyone has their own.

Phillip [02:03:09]:
See, but that, to me, is the.

Andrey [02:03:10]:
Difference between what you're not saying or not.

Phillip [02:03:11]:
I'm saying that you guys know him more than I know him.

Anatoliy [02:03:14]:
Sure, maybe a little bit. Maybe a little bit.

Eldar [02:03:17]:
But I think if you were to.

Anatoliy [02:03:18]:
Challenge some of those points, you would learn very fast.

Eldar [02:03:20]:
Okay.

Phillip [02:03:23]:
Trying to say before you guys are coming from a place of knowing him and I'm coming from a place of not.

Eldar [02:03:28]:
Philip, we don't know nothing about the person.

Eldar [02:03:31]:
We don't know.

Phillip [02:03:32]:
He's saying that he does.

Eldar [02:03:33]:
We don't know.

Andrey [02:03:33]:
He says he's observing someone's manual, and.

Eldar [02:03:35]:
Based off of that, what we know is from today, the way he acts, the way he speaks, and the points that he's making and the challenges that he's given us, that's all we know. But outside of that, we don't really know who the kid is. You know what I'm saying? We know his statistics and stuff like that.

Anatoliy [02:03:50]:
We know one thing, that he travels a lot.

Eldar [02:03:52]:
He travels a lot.

Eldar [02:03:53]:
Right.

Eldar [02:03:53]:
We want to find out.

Anatoliy [02:03:55]:
He's a doctor, and he travels.

Andrey [02:03:56]:
The thing is, it's not hard to find reasons why people travel. That's probably the easiest thing to find reasons for.

Mike [02:04:02]:
Yeah.

Andrey [02:04:03]:
Really?

Mike [02:04:04]:
I used to like to travel.

Andrey [02:04:05]:
You guys act like I want to make a confession.

Eldar [02:04:07]:
Okay, cool.

Mike [02:04:08]:
I used to like to travel, but then I realized I actually don't like to travel.

Eldar [02:04:12]:
Okay.

Mike [02:04:13]:
I like to travel with friends.

Eldar [02:04:14]:
Okay.

Mike [02:04:15]:
But ultimately, I'd like to be with friends. It doesn't matter where I travel or where I don't travel.

Andrey [02:04:19]:
But you still continue.

Anatoliy [02:04:20]:
Same reason why you're down taco Bell.

Mike [02:04:22]:
If Eldar goes, I never travel, I don't want to travel on my own.

Andrey [02:04:27]:
I agree.

Anatoliy [02:04:28]:
But I'm just saying in general, right? You say that, would I go to Taco Bell?

Eldar [02:04:32]:
You said a taco bell.

Eldar [02:04:35]:
Today.

Eldar [02:04:35]:
He was like, yo, Phil, if you want some, you want whiskey? He goes, are you having some whiskey?

Andrey [02:04:39]:
I'm having some whiskey.

Eldar [02:04:40]:
Okay, then I'm having some whiskey.

Eldar [02:04:41]:
Okay.

Phillip [02:04:42]:
So what Mike said, I agree. I agree that traveling to me right now is not important. I like hanging out. If we went somewhere to go eat, I'm not picky anymore with eating. I like. So what I'm saying is why? That's for me, but why? I value the group and connection.

Eldar [02:05:01]:
Why?

Phillip [02:05:01]:
Because it feels good.

Eldar [02:05:02]:
Why does it feel good? What's in it that feels good?

Phillip [02:05:05]:
Well, I feel like understood. It doesn't feel good.

Andrey [02:05:08]:
Totally observed your mannerism.

Anatoliy [02:05:09]:
If you didn't find that here, you would keep looking for that place. And if you never knew how to do it yourself, you would.

Eldar [02:05:17]:
Yes, I agree.

Phillip [02:05:17]:
So that's why are you happy here?

Eldar [02:05:22]:
You're rattling. That's why I asked.

Andrey [02:05:25]:
I find it funny.

Phillip [02:05:26]:
He told me he was not happy here. Then I would then say, okay, why? And then I would go into these type of questions.

Eldar [02:05:31]:
Are you under the impression that the person who rarely comes here is going to be able to be honest with us?

Phillip [02:05:38]:
I don't know him, so I'm just taking him for what he values, for face value, what he's saying.

Eldar [02:05:42]:
That's why we have to.

Anatoliy [02:05:44]:
Even if someone says something. Yeah, he could say that he's happy.

Eldar [02:05:48]:
Right, right.

Anatoliy [02:05:49]:
And I mean, if he's open to it, obviously I can challenge him on some of the things that he says. And if he's open to it, of course, again, it's all dependent on being open and honest. Right, right. We can have a conversation about it.

Andrey [02:06:02]:
You're projecting your own.

Anatoliy [02:06:03]:
If you're hearing. If you're hearing, for example, a bunch of things to you that might not make sense, but someone says, I'm still happy, then to me, like, when I'm.

Andrey [02:06:15]:
Hearing that doesn't make sense to you.

Eldar [02:06:17]:
Because that doesn't make you happy.

Andrey [02:06:18]:
It doesn't make sense because those things don't make you happy. But how can you say that? Oh, just because those things don't make me happy or I don't think it would make somebody else happy. This person is not happy. You can't say that. It's impossible.

Anatoliy [02:06:32]:
Yeah, but it's impossible.

Andrey [02:06:33]:
You can't make that value.

Anatoliy [02:06:34]:
Yeah, but I can challenge somebody else on whether they're happy or not or whether they're.

Andrey [02:06:38]:
And the thing is, Elder has challenged me on that and the fact that he was so dead wrong, which is why to me, I closed down. I closed down on those things because Elder made a lot of assumptions that were flat out wrong.

Mike [02:06:52]:
Oh, I know what this is about.

Eldar [02:06:53]:
I don't know what this is about.

Mike [02:06:55]:
This is about when he had that charge against him.

Andrey [02:06:59]:
What charge, bro?

Eldar [02:07:00]:
There's only one thing that I said.

Andrey [02:07:02]:
No, there's only one thing that I said that was a valuable learning lesson to me.

Eldar [02:07:05]:
You don't want this on there because of you. Not because of me. Yes. Okay, fine. I can pause it.

Andrey [02:07:14]:
No. Do you think everyone wants to hold their personal information on.

Eldar [02:07:19]:
This is a bad case against you, bro.

Mike [02:07:21]:
This is a bad case. This is even worse for him.

Anatoliy [02:07:25]:
I don't even know what you guys are talking about.

Mike [02:07:27]:
He had a charge against him.

Eldar [02:07:31]:
Now I know why he wants to talk me over here.

Andrey [02:07:34]:
No, I didn't want to embarrass you. I didn't want to embarrass you on the podcast. Mike is lying. He's saying I have a charge against me. That's the problem you got.

Anatoliy [02:07:42]:
He didn't want to embarrass you.

Eldar [02:07:44]:
I'm embarrassed in this fucking situation.

Mike [02:07:46]:
You know what charge you're talking about or no?

Eldar [02:07:48]:
Mike.

Mike [02:07:52]:
Is Yevkami.

Eldar [02:07:54]:
How's that charge against me? When I told him, you said you.

Mike [02:07:59]:
Gave him bad advice.

Andrey [02:08:00]:
No, that's not what I had a problem with. It's not bad advice. It was an assumption that you made about that person whether they're happy or not, and you were actually wrong. I told Mike about this.

Eldar [02:08:11]:
About me.

Andrey [02:08:14]:
You made an assumption that a person was unhappy, just like this guy did about somebody's traveling because they're looking for happiness or they're looking to find something. But that's not everyone. That's not why people travel.

Eldar [02:08:25]:
I told you that you have problems, and I said you'll start dating one at a time.

Andrey [02:08:28]:
Yeah, and that's a valid. I agreed with you there.

Eldar [02:08:30]:
But you assume that I advise on.

Andrey [02:08:31]:
No, wait.

Mike [02:08:33]:
If you agree with him there. So what's the challenge?

Eldar [02:08:35]:
I don't understand where I went wrong.

Andrey [02:08:37]:
No, you didn't go wrong in that way. I'm saying you've made value judgments, or you've made judgments that this person was unhappy or something like that, and you were actually wrong in those judgments.

Mike [02:08:50]:
Who is the person?

Anatoliy [02:08:51]:
What judgments?

Mike [02:08:52]:
Wait, are you talking about the girly that brought this thing to you on your head?

Andrey [02:08:56]:
No, I'm not talking about that.

Anatoliy [02:09:01]:
Wait, why doesn't he just say it?

Eldar [02:09:03]:
I said it already.

Anatoliy [02:09:04]:
What did you say?

Andrey [02:09:05]:
I said it already.

Eldar [02:09:06]:
What?

Andrey [02:09:06]:
The reason that these conversations, it's a moot point. When you're looking at someone, like, for example, you said, well, this person travels. They're looking for something, and in reality, they're unhappy where they are.

Eldar [02:09:18]:
That's false.

Andrey [02:09:20]:
That's not right.

Eldar [02:09:23]:
Now.

Andrey [02:09:24]:
No, it's the same thing. You're looking at someone and you don't agree with their lifestyle or you can't figure out why they're doing it. You're observing their actions, and you're being.

Eldar [02:09:32]:
Like, well, this person's judgment call. And based on what you gave me, the information that you gave me, you said, yo, there's eight girls. For example. There's eight or ten girls.

Andrey [02:09:39]:
No, this has nothing to do with the girls.

Eldar [02:09:41]:
I said, wait a second.

Anatoliy [02:09:42]:
No, he's saying, this has nothing to do with this.

Andrey [02:09:44]:
No, it has nothing to do with the girls.

Eldar [02:09:46]:
How can I give advice based on. Not on that information.

Anatoliy [02:09:51]:
It's nothing to do with the girls.

Andrey [02:09:57]:
It's not about the girls or anything like that. It's about looking at someone, one, and saying, well, I wouldn't do this.

Mike [02:10:05]:
He's saying, you judge them for dating all those girls around, but he's saying he never led them on.

Eldar [02:10:10]:
Bro, you have to give me what? Yeah, you got to take this off air. If you don't, I am very confused. Take it off air. Take it off air.

Mike [02:10:16]:
Yeah, it's off.

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