Eldar [00:00:00]:
And then you can finally introduce that to somebody else to share that with someone else. And then that person's like, yo, they're resistable. I fuck with that shit. I like that. You know what I mean? You can be the backbone. You could be a real man in order to really fucking hold it down.
Mike [00:00:13]:
We know what the right thing to do is. Me and Elda had hundreds of conversations in my previous relationship. We're like, yo, this is what I need to do. He's like, yes, this is what you do. We had an extended conversation for hours, and then same day or next day, I do the opposite.
Eldar [00:00:24]:
These types of things where you lose the memory just for the moment, right. But you come back is where the learning will happen faster and you have more preventative care, and you finally face your true dirty self to tell yourself, like, I had enough of this fucking dirt bag.
Mike [00:00:39]:
Probably have too much fun.
Eldar [00:00:40]:
Yeah, for sure.
Mike [00:00:41]:
Which we've been accused of.
Eldar [00:00:43]:
Yeah, we've been accused of that a lot of times, man. A lot of people walk through this door or walked out of this door, man, because of that, man. Yeah, essence is good.
Mike [00:01:06]:
Essence is good.
Eldar [00:01:07]:
The essence of a human being, of us versus an animal. Yeah.
Mike [00:01:10]:
So essence, I guess, is essence the way I'm understanding it or the way I'm thinking about it? Is it the way that nature intended us to be, or.
Eldar [00:01:20]:
No.
Phillip [00:01:20]:
The way in this example, based off of animals, I would say yes. And I think where there's a disconnect for me is with humans.
Mike [00:01:27]:
Okay. This is definitely a good topic, for sure.
Eldar [00:01:30]:
Yeah, it's a good topic.
Mike [00:01:32]:
So you feel like that? Do you feel that there's something's wrong with us and how we perceive our essence?
Phillip [00:01:37]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:01:38]:
Okay.
Phillip [00:01:38]:
It's only a human problem. I don't see this problem for the limited time. I mean, I'm looking in jungle type nature, but just seeing a dog or seeing a cat.
Mike [00:01:47]:
Well, even if you look at nature, I think nature acts out of its essence. Like how you don't see trees behaving as animals. Animals, right. Or you're not going to see a rose bush behave like a fucking lily.
Eldar [00:02:01]:
Right.
Mike [00:02:01]:
It behaves like a rose. The way it's intended, the way it was predestined, maybe kind of like behavior patterns, I guess.
Phillip [00:02:11]:
Yeah. Is Mike acting like something else or is Philip acting? Is elder acting like something else? And I think the answer for most people is like, they're not acting in accordance with themselves based off of asking them, hey, what is your purpose? What are you doing for me specifically? I'm saying, hey, I'm just starting to discover who I am, but I don't have a purpose. I don't have, really, a vision, or I don't understand what it is. And that's kind of odd that I've been on the planet for 37 years, and then there's a plant that's just newly grown, ready to bud, and it doesn't have to figure out who it is. It just is. So that's kind of interesting.
Eldar [00:02:48]:
Yeah, it is interesting. How about when plants get sick?
Phillip [00:02:53]:
I don't know what that looks like.
Mike [00:02:55]:
They do get sick. Yeah. Plants obviously die, right?
Eldar [00:02:58]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:03:00]:
I guess there's certain things that everything that exists needs.
Eldar [00:03:06]:
Right.
Mike [00:03:07]:
Like animals that live underwater, they need to live in the water.
Eldar [00:03:11]:
Right.
Mike [00:03:11]:
Otherwise they can't survive. But then there's, I guess, the evolution thing, right. When the water animals become like land animals, that also happens too.
Eldar [00:03:18]:
That happened.
Mike [00:03:19]:
Evolution.
Eldar [00:03:20]:
Right. Iguanas started diving and started developing different types.
Mike [00:03:25]:
And there's also, I guess, a theory that humans also evolve. Right. Not proven. Maybe Dennis can, but there's not a proven thing where we evolved from a different. We had a different kind of, like, maybe even physical things.
Phillip [00:03:40]:
Yeah. I think for the examples I'm talking about, I'm assuming that they're in their natural habitat.
Eldar [00:03:46]:
Okay.
Phillip [00:03:46]:
Right. Because I think that one can get really tricky. Also, is saying that if you're not in your habitat, then you can start evolving and all that stuff. I think that's almost like a whole different conversation. So I'm assuming that when I see somebody in their natural habitat, like a dog, to me, I don't think a dog is maybe now as domesticated. I don't know if that. This may be a thing, but I see a dog like Archie. I'm looking at Archie.
Phillip [00:04:10]:
He looks like when he's walking around and he's here, he's comfortable. He's in his essence, I see somebody like Penny. She's her. She's totally different. She's doing all the same things, living with you, doing all the same things that Archie has access to, but she has more energy, and she's different to me. She's being herself, and she has a totally different purpose and totally different emotion. So I think that's, like, a perfect example of two pets with one owner at the same place doing the same things that are acting, like, totally differently.
Mike [00:04:37]:
Yeah. But I think that's a tricky one, because the dog is. There was something that made an impression on the dog to be a certain way too.
Eldar [00:04:47]:
Right?
Mike [00:04:48]:
Like, elder influenced Archie by the way he trained him, the attention he gave him. And so. And who elder was at the. There's a, that's a big variable right now. If you go and you look into the forest with no human intervention, you're going to see completely different things, potentially than you see as a domesticated animal. If you go into any animal you catch outside where there hasn't been, what's it called? There's no intervention by society or people or anything else.
Eldar [00:05:19]:
Right.
Phillip [00:05:20]:
So probably more violent, aggressive behavior, right?
Mike [00:05:22]:
No, I wouldn't say that for, like.
Phillip [00:05:24]:
A lion in the jungle that's not tamed or domesticated versus, like, archie, maybe.
Mike [00:05:29]:
We perceive it to be violent, but.
Eldar [00:05:31]:
Is he violent out of necessity or is he violent out of.
Phillip [00:05:37]:
Yeah, but whatever it would be like, it's a survival tactic.
Eldar [00:05:40]:
Right?
Phillip [00:05:40]:
But the way that I would perceive that, I would say it's definitely more of an aggressive form of behavior versus, say, archie going up to his bowl and just eating it. Now he doesn't have to kill for his food. So there is that.
Mike [00:05:54]:
But then again, I guess it's hard to call it because how do you know that lion or that wherever that environment that lion lives in is not affected by humans, that is now forcing him to be violent? If there was abundance of everything, which I think nature provides an abundance of everything, those situations wouldn't happen. But because people inhabit the planet and a lot of times destroying the planet as well, then our impact is also impacted on the world, on. Trees are getting chopped down.
Eldar [00:06:22]:
Right?
Mike [00:06:22]:
Global warming, there's all this stuff. These are all things that are affecting nature based on, from what I can tell, it's been humans. I don't know about other animals, I guess. Unless you want to go back to dinosaurs. Yeah, but I'm not sure if they were destructive for that. Yeah, I think everything in nature is harmonious.
Eldar [00:06:42]:
Right?
Mike [00:06:43]:
It doesn't do things just.
Eldar [00:06:47]:
Destroy.
Mike [00:06:47]:
Maybe. But there's also the circle of life, right? Certain animals eat other animals for survival.
Eldar [00:06:53]:
But was that always intended like that.
Mike [00:06:56]:
Or was that always, or that is.
Eldar [00:06:58]:
Something that evolved because there was some.
Mike [00:07:02]:
Other resource that was not available.
Phillip [00:07:04]:
So where my head goes with that is one of my favorite comedians, Louis CK. He did a joke, or he did a bit on humans getting out of the food chain, and I don't think people give that enough thought. And that joke made me think about it, and it was like, we're on the same planet as these other animals and these jungles and lions, tigers, bears, whatever. And we do not have to do what they have to do to get food. We can go to the grocery store and eat meat or we can eat nuts. And we figured it out. We're out of the food chain. At some point, we might have been part of the food chain.
Eldar [00:07:39]:
Gatherers.
Phillip [00:07:40]:
Yeah. And we might have had to do this back in the day, hunt gatherers and all this. Right. So where we evolved as human beings, our behavior is now more probably influenced by other people in society and all these type of things. When before we were just influenced by nature. Right. It was just we had to survive a certain way. So I think in this process of our evolution, we've probably lost touch with our true selves.
Phillip [00:08:10]:
So maybe this could be part of the disconnect on how people are not understanding their purpose as easily as they would have been of, say, they just grew up in the woods or just in nature, and they just started to kind of, like, immerse themselves in having to get their food and having to kill for food and be more of. In a survival mentality.
Mike [00:08:29]:
Do you think that when a squirrel is born, the mother squirrel is like, yo, you're a squirrel. This is how you have to behave. 0%, 0%. Right. It doesn't sound like they haven't have, like a sit down here.
Phillip [00:08:44]:
Never. But we have to be taught by our parents or we're taught by society. We're taught by.
Eldar [00:08:49]:
Ring the bell, ring the bell, ring the bell.
Mike [00:08:52]:
Nice.
Eldar [00:08:53]:
All right.
Phillip [00:08:57]:
We have to be, or at least we are taught. There's a kid, and then there's a grown up, and usually the grown ups know better than the kid, and the kid has to learn from the grown up, and then eventually he becomes an adult and grown up, and then he can teach others. That's usually what it's been. Now, it's not usually always accurate that way, and there's usually a lot of disconnect that way. But, yeah, there's usually the build up of a lot of teaching, getting educated, going through the school system. Then eventually you can figure out who you are. You can have the responsibility to be an adult and do all these things. So I think it's a very.
Phillip [00:09:30]:
I don't know if it's backwards, but it just seems like when compared to these, let's say, a squirrel, for instance, or another animal, that they have the ability to be themselves early on. And a human being in this society seems like they have a lot of challenges and hurdles to get to that point, to have the ability to then be themselves and understand who they fully are.
Eldar [00:09:52]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:09:53]:
And if you want to figure out who you are, I feel like it's a lot of going against the grain and saying, like, I don't want to do this, or I'm this, and being strong and being courageous. Maybe people can think at least the way that I'm looking back and I perceive some people who will go against the grain. Like, they would be labeled rebellious or difficult or all these things. But some of these people figured out their purpose maybe early on where they knew, okay, I want to be a tattoo artist, or I want to be a singer or an actor or something, and I don't need school. I know a lot of people went down that route.
Mike [00:10:26]:
But the purpose and essence are different now.
Phillip [00:10:28]:
I would say. Yeah, but I think they are closely related because I think of, you do know your purpose, or vice versa. I feel like they are interconnected.
Mike [00:10:38]:
I think the purpose is what you want to do, in essence, is how you want to do it, maybe.
Phillip [00:10:43]:
Yeah, I can see that.
Mike [00:10:44]:
Does that make any sense?
Eldar [00:10:45]:
No. All right.
Mike [00:10:46]:
It wasn't supposed to.
Eldar [00:10:47]:
Okay, good.
Phillip [00:10:48]:
But I do agree with that, though, because.
Mike [00:10:50]:
No, I think your purpose is, like you're saying, like, hey, if you believe your purpose is to be a tattoo artist, right? Let's say you think that's your purpose, right. But how do you want to do that?
Phillip [00:11:03]:
I don't think you really have a choice in the matter.
Mike [00:11:06]:
Well, you do have a choice, but.
Phillip [00:11:08]:
If you're saying that it's based off of your essence, I think that is like the squirrel. They're going to get their nut or they're doing it a certain way. Right. I don't think the squirrel is going to do it like a cat would. Right. How much room of choice do you have in this matter?
Eldar [00:11:28]:
For sure.
Mike [00:11:29]:
But as a human, I think the essence is, again, to tie. The way I see it, is that the essence is tied into morals and ethics.
Eldar [00:11:41]:
Okay. So is essence an actualization of true potential? Like, let's just say a squirrel. A squirrel. True potential is to do squirrel things. Let's just say we understand that squirrel things are to bury nuts, which it does. That's its thing, doesn't it?
Phillip [00:12:03]:
Hide nuts and trees?
Eldar [00:12:03]:
Hide nuts and trees. Right. Prepare for winter, like, fully, and let's just say, reproduce those two things. I'm pretty sure there's more than that. Right. So if the squirrel does those two things at a good level where it's satisfactory to be a squirrel, I guess a passing grade of bearing x amount of nuts for the winter to survive. And it does survive, and then it reproduces.
Mike [00:12:28]:
But I guess there's a way that you bury the nuts, right? Like also too, right?
Eldar [00:12:32]:
Well, let's just say that. Let's not go into those details. Okay. Let's just say that it does do that correctly. You know what I mean? And it reproduces. Then the squirrel is fully a squirrel. And it reaches true potential to be a squirrel.
Mike [00:12:47]:
That's what you're saying. Yeah, maybe.
Eldar [00:12:49]:
My question is whether or not essence lies in the actualizing the true potential of something, someone.
Mike [00:12:58]:
I think it is actualizing the true potential.
Eldar [00:13:00]:
All right, so cool. So now let's ask the question about the human beings. What is our true essence, then? And I personally think it lies in self actualization. Right. And love being one of them. True expression of what we can achieve. Because I think this is one of the, I want to say, most important states, but a very significant state of our being when we're in love, when we have the ability to love ourselves, love others, and receive love and give love. You know what I mean? Those are very heightened states.
Eldar [00:13:38]:
Those are very good states. I think that because we unlocked or saw its potential and know that this exists, I think that's part of unlocking our true potential as a human being is to be a loving person. You know what I'm saying? And in love.
Mike [00:13:56]:
Can I put this here?
Phillip [00:13:56]:
So I block the light?
Eldar [00:13:57]:
Yeah, absolutely.
Mike [00:14:00]:
I agree with you for sure.
Eldar [00:14:01]:
That's just one of them. That's just like squirrel burying those nuts. That's just one, right?
Mike [00:14:06]:
What, to love and beloved.
Eldar [00:14:07]:
Yeah, that's just one of them, right? I think it's a big one.
Mike [00:14:11]:
Well, the thing is, love encompasses so much, though.
Eldar [00:14:15]:
Yeah, but not everything, right? To create, for example, I think is another one, right? Us creating a life. I think that's another one.
Mike [00:14:25]:
But that's an extension of love now.
Eldar [00:14:27]:
No, it's not. No. I think plenty of people create out of. Not out of love. Rapes are not created out of love.
Mike [00:14:35]:
Well, yeah, no, I guess in the purest form of love, sure.
Eldar [00:14:39]:
But I'm saying, like, creation, that's part of us being humans and have the ability to create and pass on that which we're experiencing ourselves. That's another one. Big one. Obviously, it's better to do it out of love.
Mike [00:14:54]:
But then I think the essence. Yeah, I mean, I think the essence is supposed to be tied with the best version, right?
Eldar [00:15:00]:
100%.
Mike [00:15:01]:
So then you can't. I mean, I'm not sure if it's right. To use the rape case as a.
Eldar [00:15:04]:
Way to say, no, definitely not.
Mike [00:15:08]:
In the true essence part of love.
Eldar [00:15:11]:
Right.
Mike [00:15:11]:
It encompasses a lot of stuff.
Eldar [00:15:13]:
It touches everything.
Mike [00:15:14]:
It touches everything.
Eldar [00:15:14]:
Okay.
Mike [00:15:15]:
And also touches creation. If you love somebody, I think the natural desire is to create.
Eldar [00:15:19]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:15:21]:
But I also don't know if it's pre programmed within it.
Eldar [00:15:26]:
Maybe. Yeah. No, because there's plenty of people that don't unlock, let's just say a potential to be a loving person, but nonetheless they create.
Mike [00:15:35]:
Right? Oh, yeah, for sure.
Eldar [00:15:37]:
You know what I'm saying? It doesn't have to be rape is what I'm saying.
Mike [00:15:40]:
But I think that's the problem with the essence, maybe, is that people don't know their essence, so they're doing weird things. Until I think we can really clearly define what is the essence, we're going to keep having these kind of things where people doing a bunch of stuff, calling it the wrong thing. But I think the true essence.
Eldar [00:16:02]:
Is.
Mike [00:16:03]:
In its purest form, probably.
Phillip [00:16:05]:
So you would probably understand your true essence first, because that's understanding who you are, and then the purpose would come second. I don't think you would get your purpose and not know who you are.
Eldar [00:16:15]:
Right.
Phillip [00:16:15]:
Does that seem pretty reasonable or no?
Eldar [00:16:17]:
Yeah, I would say so, yeah. However, if you operating out of ego, you might get confused. Yeah.
Mike [00:16:25]:
That's why I said purpose is what you do, but essence is how you do it.
Eldar [00:16:31]:
Right?
Mike [00:16:35]:
Yeah. I can't say it without saying, like, the ethics, the morals, the values, the virtues, that is the essence. And then you apply that essence in whatever passion you do. You can't be a person who is in accordance with essence and then have a passion that doesn't align with it.
Eldar [00:16:53]:
Right.
Mike [00:16:53]:
It wouldn't make any sense.
Eldar [00:16:56]:
Okay.
Mike [00:16:56]:
It's like if you have uncovered this magic. I want to call it magic, just because it's so rare.
Eldar [00:17:02]:
Right.
Mike [00:17:02]:
You uncover this essence and then to go and to do something, but that is not the foundation of your passion and your purpose. It just sort of wouldn't make sense to me.
Eldar [00:17:13]:
Okay. So can we then deduce it or make it smaller to things like, what are we born with?
Mike [00:17:20]:
What are we born with?
Eldar [00:17:21]:
Yeah. What are we born with? Right. To be able to then extract the essence of what we're talking about. Because the stuff that you're talking about, I think, comes a little bit later.
Mike [00:17:30]:
Well, I don't know if it comes a little bit later.
Eldar [00:17:33]:
My theory is that we have people.
Mike [00:17:37]:
Who don't know telling people who don't.
Eldar [00:17:39]:
Know, and it continues a lot of stuff. Yeah.
Mike [00:17:42]:
You know what I'm saying?
Eldar [00:17:43]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:17:43]:
I think that's why I said, hey, the squirrel is like, the parents don't tell the squirrel like, hey, you're a squirrel. This is how you're supposed to behave. The squirrel, I think, maybe has it instinct. And I think as humans, we also have an instinct. Right.
Eldar [00:17:59]:
Well, what is that? That's what I'm saying. I think if you deduce it and go down to it, we have the ability to learn and reason. Right.
Mike [00:18:07]:
Well, that's the huge difference between us and everybody else. Everything else is that.
Eldar [00:18:12]:
Yeah, but I think that we have a reason. Part of our essence is that we're given those tools to be able to observe, learn and reason. Right. And our reasoning is part of our essence. I think so you think that's a.
Phillip [00:18:24]:
Big part of our suffering because we have so much ability to think?
Eldar [00:18:27]:
No, I think actually we have so much room to not think is the reason why we're suffering because we're thinking flawedly. We have a lot of fallacies.
Phillip [00:18:35]:
No, so I'm saying, so built into that, the ability to be able to think in a level that we do versus, say, an animal. They don't have the ability to think as much as us, and in turn they are just maybe forced or they reprogrammed.
Mike [00:18:50]:
We don't know what they're doing. Do we know if they think, well.
Phillip [00:18:55]:
Let'S say they do. Right. They're not going to think at the.
Eldar [00:18:57]:
Level, well, reason wise. Yeah, I think they do think, but I don't think they reason.
Phillip [00:19:03]:
You think they're sitting down just contemplating life and they have to eat. There's people sitting down their beds, just like sitting down and contemplating, say, philosophy or contemplating a poem or something. Sitting down for hours and just saying, I wonder what I take from this or something like this, or do a painting or I'm going to get inspiration do this. We have the ability to do this throughout history, throughout poets, artists and stuff like this. It's not a bad thing. All I'm saying is that when this is taken to the nth degree, it seems like depression or sadness or confusion can come as of state of this, where, let's say an animal in his natural essence is not going to be subjected to that type of repercussion as a result of their thinking or non thinking.
Eldar [00:19:48]:
Sure. But like I said, they also can be subjected to environmental stressors and they can get ill. They can get sick.
Mike [00:19:55]:
Plants, animals. Yeah.
Eldar [00:19:57]:
So we, I think, are also subjected to the same thing.
Mike [00:20:00]:
I think so, too.
Eldar [00:20:01]:
Just like they are. And we do.
Mike [00:20:03]:
Yeah, we do. And they do, for sure.
Eldar [00:20:05]:
Correct.
Phillip [00:20:05]:
But that's the commonality. But I'm saying what's the uncommon thing? Is the level of thinking that we have versus them.
Eldar [00:20:11]:
Well, I think that's the thing. I think that what Mike is pushing towards, maybe, correct me if I'm wrong, is the fact that we are pure at our thinking. Right? We're born with the gift of seeing things for what they are, and then we get ham hogged by the world. The world oppresses us into seeing it for what it wants to see us.
Phillip [00:20:32]:
So thinking is not bad, or thinking doesn't cause. It's the influence of.
Eldar [00:20:37]:
I think that the incorrect patterns of thought and logical fallacies is what causes you to develop certain problems and illnesses. Yeah.
Phillip [00:20:47]:
So thinking is a little more fleeting or can be influenced by others versus, let's say, the instinct of an animal to survive. Survival, to me, is not really interrupted as much as, say, like, somebody's thought pattern.
Eldar [00:21:01]:
Is that accurate? Say that again.
Phillip [00:21:06]:
So I don't see an animal survival instinct to be interrupted by, say, like, another animal necessarily. Or at least I don't watch enough animals. But when I see shows, I'm watching an animal just having to live and having to survive, now I'm seeing a person, maybe their thought pattern, be influenced, let's say, by a billboard or something like that.
Eldar [00:21:25]:
No, but they're being influenced by the environment around them, and a lot of it is survival based.
Phillip [00:21:30]:
Yeah, but what I'm saying is that.
Eldar [00:21:31]:
So they get interrupted all the. It's a. If it's a squirrel bearing nuts in my backyard right now, and if I let Archie loose to do his thing, what he's born to. Right. And that's to hunt and to retrieve, because he's a retriever. Right. He's going to go try to retrieve that squirrel, that squirrel's essence, and the world will be interrupted for that moment.
Phillip [00:21:52]:
Okay, so that's like a thought pattern of somebody seeing a billboard or a movie and their thoughts totally changing based off of something they. So I think an outside influence.
Eldar [00:22:00]:
Yeah, an outside influence. In the case of the squirrel in Archie, I think the squirrel goes into its fight or flight mode, right? It's going to either fight them or is it going to flight? It's going to run away. It's going to run away. In our case, we can also interpret certain things a certain type of way. We either can open up and let it influence us, or we can fight it back. You know what? You know, like. Like Mike, sex keeps talking about the squirrel and having a conversation with the mom. Yeah.
Eldar [00:22:27]:
That's not having a conversation with the mom to be able to bury squirrels. I mean, bury fucking nuts, right? But for example, I know your example, Philip, which know, I think a very personal one, which is having expectations with people, you know what I mean? That people a lot of times made certain promises to you, right? And they didn't live up to those promises. You, as a young kid who's very impressionable in those moments, like, believed the words that were coming out of people's mouths, right? Without understanding that there's suffering behind certain words, and that people are subjected to suffering, right? So when he heard promises, he understood promises for what? Promises are face value. Face value, right? He said, okay, if he told me one plus one equals two, I'm expecting a two at the end of the equation. So when one plus one doesn't equals to two, to him, it was an interrupted thing. His mom did not prepare him for the other variables that affect that equation. She didn't say that. Hey, Philip, actually, your uncle is a very busy man, and with being a very busy man comes a lot of responsibilities.
Eldar [00:23:35]:
A lot of responsibilities comes a lot of different things. And sometimes the time that he's perceiving the way he's perceiving it, is not the same way that you're perceiving it. You're at home ready to do for whatever, because you're very open and you don't have same responsibilities as your uncle, you know what I'm saying? So, because she didn't explain that to him, he was met with that type of resistance when things didn't come his way. So it's almost like the squirrel automatically gets embodied with, through observation and instinct of what to do and how to behave in the situations that it needs to behave. You know what I'm saying? But if you pay attention and observe the little babies, before they find out what danger is, they don't know how to behave. They don't know how to behave. That's why you see animals, small animals, even like a small deer, will be friends with a lion, right? Things like that will happen. And like, wait a second, the predator can be with the prey because they don't understand that yet.
Eldar [00:24:35]:
It hasn't been explained or understood yet, so that knowledge hasn't been passed on yet. That knowledge was not passed on to him, so it was interrupted, so he got sick. So that environment is still the environment. So his ability to think was not developed properly in accordance to his essence. Therefore he fell, and that was obviously passed on from him, from the person who didn't know how to properly interpret the world, and therefore the trajectory happened the way it did. It's a normal natural occurrence. But again, it's an interrupted essence. His essence was interrupted or wasn't properly brought out on him.
Eldar [00:25:19]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:25:22]:
It makes sense.
Mike [00:25:24]:
It's interesting, though. I guess if we're all born with.
Eldar [00:25:28]:
A clean slate, right? It could be filled with whatever.
Mike [00:25:32]:
But again, it sounds, in a way, like, fucked up. Why are we not born with an actual slate where we can, from a young age, understand? Or you think we are, but they're overpowering. The information is overpowering.
Eldar [00:25:51]:
The environment is fucking strong, bro. Strong nurture.
Phillip [00:25:56]:
Just think of, like, I can notice the difference in myself, of if I sit in my bed and after a bath, if I'm just, like, looking up at the ceiling and I'm just going to let myself kind of simmer in my own thoughts versus watching a tv show versus going on TikTok. Like, if I'm in my bed and if I have my phone in me, on me, and I'm looking at that, I notice the next morning my brain is definitely a little more foggy. I notice if I watch a show and I immerse myself in a show, even if I'm enjoying it, I'm not feeling guilty. I just notice that my brain is definitely on a different frequency, really, that I'm allowing something else inside of my brain. And it's not my own story or not my own journey. I was actually thinking about it recently because I got over the point of feeling bad about watching a show or anything like this. Now I'm allowing myself to enjoy it when I want to. And recently, since I haven't been feeling good after my bath, I've just not been watching anything.
Phillip [00:26:53]:
And I noticed that after I watched the TikTok maybe a couple of days ago, and I woke up in the morning, I said to myself, I was like, yo, what was different? And I was like, last night, I had, like, a screen, and I was watching stuff, and I was watching other people kind of, like, do their thing. And then I was watching, say, game of Thrones, which is a written idea, a fantasy based off of somebody's brain. And I'm thinking my purpose and all these kind of things. And I'm saying to myself, I'm like, when I'm doing this, I'm basically propping up somebody else's vision or their idea, and I'm watching their journey. And it's like taking me away from mine. So I'm saying to myself, when I'm sitting in my bed and I'm thinking my own thoughts, I'm thinking, like, who I want to be or all this kind of stuff, that's me tapping into my journey or my vision or myself. And anytime that I'm taking away from that, my brain is definitely not as sharp the next day, and I'm not as quick to be, like, who I am and get into my day. This is what I've noticed in the last.
Mike [00:27:54]:
My question is, is the correlation, the causation? Because it's hard to say that. No.
Eldar [00:28:00]:
We might be able to find a cause.
Mike [00:28:02]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:28:02]:
If you ask about how he's judging the show. Right. What feelings is he getting during the show? I think you might be able to find it also.
Mike [00:28:09]:
The thing is, you may be watching 3 hours of the stuff and you're going to bed. Your sleep is going to be shit quality, whatever you're watching. So the next day you're going to be sluggish because the phone is definitely known to overstimulate you.
Eldar [00:28:24]:
Right.
Mike [00:28:24]:
So no matter what you're watching, you're going to be overstimulated. You're going to have worse quality sleep. You're not going to be able to get deep sleep and that restful sleep. So maybe that's what causing the fog, not necessarily what you're watching, but just because you are engaging with that act.
Eldar [00:28:36]:
But also the way he's interpreting it.
Mike [00:28:38]:
Well, yeah, that could be even huger, even bigger.
Eldar [00:28:41]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:28:41]:
But I think it could be me shutting my brain off. So I think there is two things. I think just having the screen inevitably, I think we know this. Like, if you're going to watch a screen before you go to bed, I don't think you can get as good as sleep. It can help you sleep, but I think we can all agree that it's not going to give you better sleep.
Eldar [00:28:57]:
No.
Phillip [00:28:57]:
So that's one, then two is whether you're into a show or into a movie or not. I think if there is something else going on, that's something that you didn't create it, that's not yours, it's not your idea. And if you are, then taking it one step further and you're into the show. Most people that watch Game of Thrones are very into the characters, right. So if I'm watching this, I'm paying attention to the show. If I'm on TikTok, my brain's just kind of, like, whatever. But if I'm watching Game of Thrones, I'm like, oh, what's happening to this person? I'm feeling it.
Mike [00:29:28]:
You're getting stimulated.
Phillip [00:29:29]:
Like, I'm stimulated. So there is that. But I think if we all agree that you're not getting as good as sleep with the screen, and then afterwards, depending on if you're into the show and you're immersing yourself in the character or not, I'm just realizing that if I do this every once in a while, I think it's fine, because, say, last night, I just wanted to shut my brain off and not take a bath and just kind of watch a show. But when I haven't been, I notice that I'm definitely more sharp in the morning, probably as a result of the sleep, but also just on reconnecting with myself. I think it's like, one more layer, like, one more step when I'm not watching something versus watching.
Eldar [00:30:07]:
Okay, that's mean. Yeah. The environment definitely influences if, and if Philip is tapping into, trying to tap into the essence of who he is as a person. Yeah. He sees how the external environment is actually influencing him, and I can see how that is for sure. For example, if you are on an idea, you're like, oh, I'm excited to do this idea for yourself. You're trying to do it and now introduce a distraction into it. You're going to get pissed.
Eldar [00:30:39]:
You're going to be like, wait, what the fuck? I'm trying to go here, and something else is distracting you and trying to take your attention, something away from you, your time. So it's almost that type of a thing. Yeah.
Phillip [00:30:52]:
If I'm putting this practice into place and I'm saying, okay, what's a distraction? What's not? And I would say that tv and TikTok could definitely be a distraction. If I was at work and I wasn't around people that wanted to have these type of conversations, I was in that corporate environment, I would have to be, like, a totally different person. And then I'd be like, I'd be the actor moving farther away from this. So if I'm somebody that's trying to figure out my purpose and my essence, if I'm not surrounded around like minded people at work, which is most of my time, and then when I go home, I'm listening to other people or watching other people do their thing, then when am I actually spending time on me and tapping into me? Okay. So I feel like the way that I'm doing it now with work and all the other stuff. I'm giving myself a lot of time to figure out who I am professionally with relationships and friends and work. And I'm finding that it's very easy to shut it off and go the other route.
Eldar [00:31:48]:
Okay.
Phillip [00:31:48]:
And a lot of things can do this. Food can do this, tv can do this, going out and drinking can do this, whatever it is. But people definitely don't have a lack of distractions. People don't have to look far for distractions.
Eldar [00:32:02]:
Yeah. So it's almost like everybody is avoiding their own essence. In his example, I think, yeah, it makes.
Mike [00:32:12]:
Because it's very difficult to figure out what your essence is. And not only that, then to change your life. It sounds like a huge mountain to tackle.
Eldar [00:32:22]:
Well, he's clearly showing it. He's clearly showing like, hey, look, I want to have more of these types of conversations. I want my mind to work, I want to reason, I want to think.
Mike [00:32:31]:
Right.
Eldar [00:32:32]:
So he's almost like pointing out like, this is my essence. This is what makes me feel good. I like doing this. It's helping me solve my problems and stuff. Right. I would have fucking, I watched somebody else's fucking shit. Well, yeah, but they're not going to pay my bills.
Mike [00:32:45]:
But the thing is, he's also empowered.
Eldar [00:32:47]:
Yes.
Mike [00:32:48]:
Because he has elderism that he can use to reason and think.
Eldar [00:32:52]:
Can you say that again? I missed that.
Mike [00:32:56]:
Yeah. I think that's why he's able to draw confidence from the fact that he knows. He's getting a glimpse of like, hey, if I don't know something and I'm not feeling good about something, I know I can ask and we can collectively try to reason through it, understand it. For me, I can't put it. Sometimes the problems that we're going through personally, it's hard to solve your own problems because it's like you have so many different desires, commitments, interests for every single topic, and then false beliefs and all this kind of shit is hard to make sense of it because you have such a strong attachment, many things. So I think knowing that you have a person you could bounce it off of and help to help you to cut through the bullshit that we have that's stopping us from being reasonable. It's huge. And I'm not sure if a lot of people, I think a lot of people do have it, but they don't know it.
Mike [00:33:52]:
Maybe because I do believe everybody has the capacity to be reasonable and to think.
Eldar [00:33:56]:
And there you go. But I think that's the thing. I think that's the essence that we're all born with the ability to think and reason. To reason, you know what I'm saying? To deduce conclusions, sound conclusions about the world and about ourselves. Right. In order to make good conclusions that are going to be serving us. You know what I'm saying? When we do and when we act upon them, we see transformation. Like you said, we become empowered is what's happening with him.
Eldar [00:34:26]:
So when he sees that, he's kind of straying away from that, maybe getting distracted, he's like, wait a second, I feel kind of off. Why is that? Because he's paying attention to somebody else's.
Mike [00:34:37]:
He's allowing somebody else to steal his ship.
Eldar [00:34:39]:
Yeah. Correct. And that's not comfortable, and I can see how that is.
Mike [00:34:41]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:34:42]:
And that's usually been a distraction that I've liked. But then look at the type of conversations and the type of interactions and relationships that I was having. Somebody who was definitely a fraction of who they were, like a part of them, like a part of themselves, maybe like small part, like people pleasing more and not really even knowing why that all this stuff is happening. I'm like, going through all these relationships and realizing, and to me, it makes total sense of somebody who is more influenced by culture and media and all this stuff and allowing this to kind of dictate your conversations and your life and your connections. And this is like what you thought.
Eldar [00:35:20]:
Was the most important thing, the most.
Phillip [00:35:21]:
Important stuff, and you realize, what the fuck? And you realize all this stuff that you're building it off of now is like it's nothing but nonsense. It also makes you think and look back and realize all the relationships I had were correct for that time. So nothing was like a mistake. So that person that I was not the way it was, but that gives me a trust in that when you are the right person, you are going to get the right relationships. I do believe in that. So there is a trust there where I think that trust is strong, where I don't think that's a blind trust. That's one that I've seen from an example of not doing the right thing or being far off who I was and now tapping into more of who I am. And I'm starting to surround myself and having relationships, even if it's for an example of somebody that I was just talking to, that didn't work out.
Phillip [00:36:06]:
I attracted the right person and I acted in accordance to who I am. I was honest with who I was, and the result came and it went. And I don't feel bad. I don't feel guilty, and I'm able to move on without overthinking it or committing to a relationship that I shouldn't have been in. And that's just one example. So I think there definitely is a trust for whoever you are that you're going to get whatever you deserve or whatever it should be. So that's like a trust in the world that I.
Eldar [00:36:34]:
The universe. Yeah.
Phillip [00:36:35]:
I have a trust in that.
Eldar [00:36:38]:
All right.
Mike [00:36:43]:
Do you guys think essence is genuinely good? Is inherently good? See, I'm not sure if an essence.
Eldar [00:36:51]:
Yeah. I'm not sure if it's good or bad.
Mike [00:36:53]:
It just is.
Phillip [00:36:54]:
Yeah. The way that I think of essence it is. So I think once you label it, then it loses whatever it is.
Eldar [00:37:05]:
Yeah. However, I think that if you tap into your essence, good results to follow.
Mike [00:37:14]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:37:17]:
Like happiness. Right?
Mike [00:37:18]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:37:18]:
If we're clearly talking about a very specific emotional state or feeling that we can get or as people, and actually feel it. Right. Like a physical thing, and it could be tied to a result of you being. Following your essence, your true self, and being what you're intended to be, and it feels good. That's your confirmation of that. You're fucking doing the right thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So maybe essence itself is not good or bad, but tapping into it could be good.
Eldar [00:37:58]:
You know what I'm saying? That's how I see it.
Mike [00:38:02]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:38:02]:
I can't see you tapping into that, acting from that point and it not being a good result, a good process. And I would even say that even if the result is not good or maybe it's not the one that you want, it's coming from the good place. So I think from there you'll get what you need or something. I just can't imagine anything not being correct. You're acting in accordance to what is. And if you're doing that, then to me, you're trusting in life to take its course.
Eldar [00:38:32]:
That's right. Yeah, that's right.
Mike [00:38:34]:
What about what you were saying about the thing about when you watch stuff, Alda? Do you feel like that, too, or. No.
Eldar [00:38:41]:
What?
Mike [00:38:41]:
Like the thing he was saying. When he's watching certain things, he feel like he's getting influenced or like, specific things.
Eldar [00:38:47]:
I know what he's talking about and I have more of a filter. Like horror movies or movies with specific messaging and stuff like that that I completely disagree with. I have a complete ick and, like, a bad feeling about it. However, entertainment purposes, I love it.
Mike [00:39:04]:
Yeah. I think that's what I was kind of going towards, I think, maybe not calling it for what it is saying. I'm going to watch this UFC stuff, for example. I know this is entertainment. It's action. I like it.
Eldar [00:39:20]:
That's it.
Mike [00:39:21]:
It's entertainment. But I'm not going to go out and be, like, amped up, ready to go fuck people up. It's not going to influence me that way, because I know this is what it is. It's entertainment. These are professionals. My first thought is not to come out of the dare and go start swinging on people. And that's what I was thinking. Maybe when you said that, I wasn't sure how you mean that it's influencing you when you're watching Game of Thrones, you want to go medieval.
Eldar [00:39:47]:
No, I think that he's in a very specific stage of his life where you're using it for a very specific reason, for entertainment purposes, and nothing more from it. And he's almost saying, like, look, I know who I am now. I know what I'm going after. And right now, this is more of, like, a distraction. That's how I felt.
Mike [00:40:05]:
Okay.
Eldar [00:40:06]:
It's taking away from what he's trying.
Mike [00:40:08]:
To do right now, and that's why he's not happy, because he's distracting him for he's trying to achieve.
Eldar [00:40:13]:
Correct.
Mike [00:40:13]:
Okay.
Eldar [00:40:14]:
Yes.
Mike [00:40:14]:
For that.
Eldar [00:40:15]:
Right. That's how I felt. Yeah.
Phillip [00:40:16]:
So I would say that, let's say, in the last week and change, I've maybe watched maybe TikTok and maybe not really any Game of Thrones, so let's say even like TikTok.
Eldar [00:40:27]:
Right.
Phillip [00:40:28]:
And I'm watching that, and then I have six other days of watching nothing, and I'm realizing that even if I'm going into TikTok to just shut my brain off, and I do realize what it is. I'm not going on.
Mike [00:40:42]:
I think I understood what he is going through.
Phillip [00:40:45]:
I'm not going on TikTok to be inspired or really necessarily learn anything. Yeah, sure. I'm just going on to a little bit, kind of shut my brain off, essentially. And even with that mindset, I'm waking up in the morning and I'm saying, I don't think that this feels off. Like I have a little fogginess.
Mike [00:41:04]:
Yeah. I don't know if you remember, although you probably do. But this thing of what he just said, these are my words exactly. It's like shutting the mind off. You remember this? Remember I said this? Or.
Eldar [00:41:18]:
No, I remember something like this when.
Mike [00:41:19]:
I was saying that I want to hang out with a specific person to shut off my mind. You remember this?
Eldar [00:41:24]:
I think so, Oleg. Yeah.
Mike [00:41:27]:
But other Oleg, I was going there with the intention to shut my mind off, right? Because I knew that I wouldn't have philosophical conversations with him. I knew that I would be more like just bullshitting, shooting the shit. And sometimes we would go into those topics. But then after some time, I realized it's because I was tired, but maybe I didn't know how to rest. But the goal was not to actually shut my mind off, because then you're open to any kind of shit, like you said, influencing you in any kind of way. But I think the goal is to find a way. So I think what's happening is as he's developing and maturing and getting into this new person that he's becoming, those things that used to serve him before they're no longer serving him. So I think he needs to find new ways that before he rested in this world where he would lose himself, really shut his mind off, because there was too much going on and he didn't want to maybe look into it.
Mike [00:42:26]:
And now I don't think you can use those same tools to achieve that rest or relaxation, because now you're becoming a different person, and those things don't serve you anymore.
Eldar [00:42:36]:
Okay.
Phillip [00:42:36]:
Yeah, that makes sense. Like, the bath, now that I'm reintroducing it, now that's definitely serving me. I'm able to sit in the bath and just relax. Like, no tv, no nothing. Maybe I put music on, just, like, with my speaker or something, but usually nothing much. And I've just been kind of laying in bed and just kind of, like, just thinking. And I feel good because being at peace with my thoughts or at least allowing myself to think now with the thoughts that I have now, based off the conversations we're having and my day to day, I don't feel like I have to shut my brain off, essentially. So when I do a night like I did yesterday where maybe I started, like, a Jake Gyllenhaal movie, it was called enemy.
Phillip [00:43:16]:
I think it was pretty interesting. I might finish it, but definitely a dark, psychological, thriller type thinking type movie. And I eventually fell asleep, and I didn't fully immerse myself in the character or anything like that too much. But I woke up, and I just realized even having the iPad in my bed, I realized there's definitely a difference in how I wake up and how long it takes me to wake up and then become myself. When I don't do this, I can get out of bed pretty quick going to then working out or taking a shower. And I'm pretty good. Pretty quick.
Eldar [00:43:48]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:43:49]:
So it's really just the fogginess and my energy level and what I'm noticing for these distractions. And I agree with Mike. I think there's definitely room for thought of saying, hey, these things used to serve. Like, what else can I do in my apartment? I remember when I was little, I used to paint and draw and color a lot. Those are probably more realistic things that I should be doing or could be doing that are going to empower my brain, allow me to technically shut it off in a sense, or maybe keep it on and not have to shut it off.
Mike [00:44:20]:
But kind of like active rest. I would use the word. Yeah, that's a good way to the physical manifestation. I mean, it's the opposite, but the physical manifestation of you're not going to the gym to work out, which you need to rest. You need a rest day for your mind, but you're doing active rest, which is you're going for a walk. So instead of doing strenuous exercise, you're doing active rest, like in the mental form.
Phillip [00:44:42]:
Yeah, I have all this stuff. I have crayons and markers and paints and I have all this stuff. And when I do it, I know I'm not very good at these kind of things. And I wouldn't consider myself, like, a talented artist or anything.
Eldar [00:44:55]:
You always get out of the line.
Phillip [00:44:56]:
Yeah, no, I used to like the color, like, in the line. I used to be like a very prim prop.
Eldar [00:45:01]:
No, I know, but now you just fucking go.
Phillip [00:45:03]:
Now it probably wouldn't matter. Now it probably wouldn't matter as much, but, yeah, like little stuff like this. I know. Just doing it to kind of do it, it's kind of nice. And I haven't done this in a while, but I remember when I used to just sit down and do this, I used to pull out like an old blanket and just sit down and paint or color or draw or even writing. I remember in college, too, I would just do creative writing classes, or I took one. And I remember just allowing my imagination to kind of run wild and just writing down silly stuff and coming up with stories. I remember making people laugh and I thought it was funny, too.
Phillip [00:45:40]:
And I was just saying outline to stuff, but it's coming from my brain, just putting down a pen. And I would do pretty good in the class. So I think these are probably more conducive to who I am now in terms of where I want to be and getting me to understand my purpose versus going back and resorting to TikTok and the tv and the things I used to do when I was ultimately distracted.
Eldar [00:46:03]:
Okay.
Mike [00:46:04]:
Yeah, that makes sense to me.
Eldar [00:46:06]:
It does make sense. Yeah. I could definitely relate to it.
Mike [00:46:08]:
I related to it because I went through the similar thing where I was like, yo, things I was doing, they're not serving me anymore. I don't want to be in the situation.
Eldar [00:46:15]:
That's right. Yeah.
Mike [00:46:15]:
I don't want to shut my mind off because then Oleg hit me with a fucking left fielder, and then I had to get owned, and I was like, wait, I'm not ready to shut my mind off. That's not for me.
Eldar [00:46:24]:
This is not where you shut your mind.
Mike [00:46:25]:
This is not where you shut my mind off. So I had to think of other ways.
Eldar [00:46:30]:
Yeah. It's almost pointing to the direction of if we need to shut our minds off and relax a little bit. Right. Like you said, it has to be a safe place where it's serving you at the same time. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Versus when it's not. And like you said, the mentioning of the painting or the drawing and stuff like that is one of those things where he always kind of went to and enjoyed himself.
Eldar [00:46:55]:
It's like a solace place where it's, like, it's peaceful and it's good. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Phillip [00:47:00]:
Like, a bath for that bath is right now that.
Eldar [00:47:03]:
So that's good. That's awesome. For sure. I guess maybe if I go back to judging myself and how I used to be much more critical of myself and my sleeping patterns and stuff like that. Yeah. I'll probably put the stuff that I do in the same category as him. You know what I mean? Yeah, but I surrendered that with the tv watching and stuff.
Mike [00:47:25]:
Yeah, I surrendered that. I don't have that thing. I don't feel like I did try stupid things.
Eldar [00:47:31]:
If I start to evaluate, and if you start to evaluate.
Mike [00:47:34]:
Yes, of course.
Eldar [00:47:35]:
Actual, like, what he's doing, the effect of what we're doing. He's probably right.
Mike [00:47:41]:
No, we're definitely 100% right. Like, the rest that we're doing before bed, it's not watching tv on the phone. It's definitely not good.
Eldar [00:47:47]:
Yeah. But I have these things in place because I know what I used to be and how I used to do it, and it was a lot worse.
Mike [00:47:57]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:47:57]:
You know what I mean? Because I would psych myself out. I would twist and turn and not be able to calm down and just have all these thoughts and not be able to fall asleep. So that's why I introduced my little technique, which works for me, and I stayed with it. I'll take it, you know what I mean? But yeah, if I start to question it and think about it, there's definitely better ways.
Phillip [00:48:18]:
I think a lot of people, you'll probably ask and they'll say it's very usually like a split. Like I usually hear it's like 100% no or 100% yes. Where somebody will say, I need tv before sleep or I can't have anything.
Eldar [00:48:33]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:48:34]:
So when I'm going back and forth, I am noticing there is a big disparity. So I understand when somebody says they need it, I understand why because it's very captivating, but it can also put me out.
Mike [00:48:47]:
For me, it's a distraction and puts me in asleep.
Phillip [00:48:51]:
I get it.
Eldar [00:48:52]:
And it's not one of those things where I actually watch the shit. Yeah. I can watch the same episode a thousand times. Yeah. I keep falling asleep to the same thing.
Phillip [00:49:00]:
I get it. But it's like a lullaby. It's like the blue light screen with the noise and the light, the visual to hear.
Mike [00:49:07]:
It's a safe space. 100%. You can put your guard down now.
Eldar [00:49:12]:
You can't put on a specific movie or show that's going to freak me out. I can't do that shit or captivate my attention. Like if it's like a psychological.
Mike [00:49:19]:
Yeah, if something cats you, then it's I'm done.
Eldar [00:49:21]:
Then I'm wide awake and I'm now paying attention. I can't do that. No, it's got to be mellow. It's got to be something.
Mike [00:49:25]:
I always look for something to watch that sounds like bullshit, but it's not horrible. Yeah, you'll give me a little bit of attention for a little bit and then it'll knock me out.
Phillip [00:49:34]:
So think about what social media does. So the trick on social media, opposite. So the trick on social media is that you're watching, you have full control of this thing. So if I don't like say like a five or ten second or 15 2nd clip, I can literally scroll every 2nd 2 seconds and I'm changing screens, screens, and screens constantly.
Eldar [00:49:54]:
You're constantly tuning in into something different.
Phillip [00:49:55]:
And if you watch commercials or you watch other things, I think it's a tactic because I think from like, I don't know if it's a study on the brain that these people did from marketing, but whenever you change screens or you change something, I think it does something to your brain where you're refocusing and you're repaying attention to that next thing.
Eldar [00:50:12]:
That's interesting.
Phillip [00:50:12]:
So I think it's reengaging you every time that you look at a new screen. So every time you swipe and you go to a new account, new video, new thing, whether you pay attention to it or not, you're reengaging your brain every time. If you're just watching one show, you probably have a less likely chance of being reengaged at that level speed, which is in the second, it might be minutes or maybe hours instead. So I think social media is probably even more dangerous and distracting than I would say, a movie. And I think you can measure that by the level of addictiveness that people are saying that they're watching. So they just brought. But maybe a couple of months back, the CEO of TikTok, they brought him up and they were saying, hey, your product is so addicting, what are you going to do about it? And he's like, yeah, we have a lot of things in place as parental controls, but the end of the day, we want people to be on our site, so we have a really good marketing approach and products. So what do you want us to do? Have people go on it less? This is a problem that most people want.
Phillip [00:51:16]:
Most businesses want their people to overuse. But then it becomes a moral dilemma, right? Like, are you actually hurting your customers? And do you want to do something about it or not? At what expense?
Mike [00:51:27]:
But as Tony said earlier, that might be a fast track to the success. Fry your brain faster so you can.
Eldar [00:51:34]:
Then put it back together.
Phillip [00:51:36]:
See, this is where I would argue that in that moment, you would have to be this aware, conscious person pursuing your purpose and then still putting yourself through all this misery. But I would say that this type of distraction and this type of misery, it's very easily to get so distracted where then you forget your purpose. So I was telling Mike in the car, I think this type of person who has to be aware, conscious, going after their purpose, and then saying, I'm going to willfully go after this new theory that Tolly was saying, which is put yourself through the pain. I would say that you would have to be a professional actor, where you would have to go through all these trials and tribulations and acquire all these skills to basically do what an actor does, which is they're getting fed a script, they're getting based off to, say, a person or an idea of a person, and they have to literally embody what the idea of this person is. And these feelings and the psychology and all this stuff, while also at the same time being their own individual and having their own conscious.
Eldar [00:52:40]:
I might disagree completely with and might.
Phillip [00:52:42]:
Disagree with that person completely. This is like probably less than 1%. Like a percentage of, percentage of people are perfecting this type of skill. So I think in order to be a fully aware, conscious person is already difficult to begin with, to then say, I'm going to do this, and then put myself back in the muck and then also be this aware person. You have to be like a top quality, skilled individual with zero to no distractions.
Eldar [00:53:11]:
We have to discuss this more. I'm not sure if that's even possible.
Phillip [00:53:14]:
This is what I think. I've given you a lot of thought.
Mike [00:53:16]:
Jay Carrey did say, I wish everybody gets rich as fast as possible. Right?
Eldar [00:53:20]:
Yeah, no, but that's a very calculated, specific example to what he wants people.
Mike [00:53:26]:
But I mean, the theory sounds great, but we'll leave it for tomorrow. Yeah, we'll leave it for tomorrow.
Phillip [00:53:29]:
Yeah. When I gave a thought today, I just think that there is so much skill that has to go.
Eldar [00:53:38]:
There's going to be an example coming soon in our lives, whoever's going to do it. But there's going to be an example of an actual life example where we're going to have the choice to test it out. Yeah, for sure.
Phillip [00:53:50]:
I was telling Mike, if you can show me an example of what it looks like.
Eldar [00:53:53]:
Oh, you will show it to us.
Phillip [00:53:56]:
I think you're giving me a lot of credit if you think that I can do this.
Eldar [00:53:59]:
No, I'm not saying that I'm giving you credit to do it. I'm going to give you the credit. The fact that you're going to be faced with one of these choices.
Phillip [00:54:07]:
Oh, you're saying love, like going into the piss pig situation. I can just go back to my situation potentially. Yeah, I wouldn't say that. I think that everybody could be a different example, but I think everybody can be faced with this stuff. But it's a matter, I'm saying, of executing the awareness, of pursuing the purpose and being your true essence self. Right. And then willfully, then also in the same breath. Yeah, doing the piss pig stuff.
Eldar [00:54:36]:
It sounds like it, but wait till we find out what you are really attached to.
Mike [00:54:40]:
Yes, exactly. Yes. Attachment is a huge kicker, 100%.
Phillip [00:54:46]:
But what would that matter, though?
Mike [00:54:48]:
The attachment will be much stronger than your desire for the seeking of truth, correct?
Eldar [00:54:52]:
Yeah, it'll look very strange, but even though you want to do the right thing, the attachment might push you over the edge.
Phillip [00:55:04]:
But then again, I would then be distracted and I would be out for the moment.
Eldar [00:55:09]:
You have to be right. Exactly.
Phillip [00:55:11]:
That's what I'm saying. For the moment.
Mike [00:55:13]:
You get into the rhythm of it, you'll play the part.
Eldar [00:55:15]:
Well, yeah, you will play the part. Right.
Phillip [00:55:17]:
But that's my point of the idiot.
Eldar [00:55:21]:
Of the conscious idiot.
Phillip [00:55:22]:
But to go back to the idiot in that example, you can't be conscious and be the idiot at the same time in that moment. I don't believe you can do this.
Eldar [00:55:29]:
But we can. We'll send you off packing really nicely. How? Because we're not in it. We don't have a horse in a race. But you do.
Phillip [00:55:36]:
No, I'm saying me in this moment, how am I going to be the conscious observer person? You will not be the idiot.
Eldar [00:55:41]:
You will not be for the moment.
Phillip [00:55:42]:
Okay, so then we agree then. So I can't be that.
Mike [00:55:44]:
It's not at the same time.
Eldar [00:55:45]:
It's not at the same time.
Phillip [00:55:47]:
But that's my whole thing that I've been saying all day. 100 that I can't be this.
Eldar [00:55:51]:
No, what I'm saying is that right here, you'll sit down, you'll discuss and say that this is the wrong thing to do in this moment. Then there's going to be the next moment where the other person, all your old beliefs and stuff like that and attachments is going to tell you the opposite of what you thought of here.
Phillip [00:56:06]:
I think that can happen. Yeah, see, I thought that you guys.
Eldar [00:56:10]:
Were saying, and then willfully, you're going to be presented with a choice like, okay, hey, do you know what the right thing to do is? Yes, I deduced this. Correct. But I can't do it. I still have to do it. And then you send yourself, yeah, we.
Mike [00:56:22]:
All have done this.
Eldar [00:56:23]:
Yes.
Mike [00:56:23]:
Especially the relationship is the number one thing. We know what the right thing to do is. Me and Elda had hundreds of conversations in my previous relationship. We're like, yo, this is what I need to do. He's like, yes, this is what you do. We had an extended conversation for hours, and then same day or next day, I do the opposite.
Phillip [00:56:38]:
Yes, but you are very good reason you are being one or the other in that particular moment.
Eldar [00:56:43]:
The moments are different.
Mike [00:56:44]:
Yes.
Phillip [00:56:45]:
Okay, so then I agree then.
Mike [00:56:47]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:56:48]:
What he's trying to say is to say that the faster you do these types of events, these types of things where you lose the memory just for the moment. Right. But you come back is where the learning will happen faster. And you have more preventative care, and you finally face your true dirty self to tell yourself, like, I had enough of this fucking dirt bag. Yeah.
Phillip [00:57:07]:
So my interpretation of what he was saying was doing both simultaneously while keeping the awareness, while doing the shitty thing. I disagreed with this because I didn't think it was actually possible.
Eldar [00:57:17]:
It's not possible.
Phillip [00:57:18]:
That's why I was saying an actor had to have this type.
Eldar [00:57:19]:
But there's something that you still carry. There's the level of memory that you.
Mike [00:57:23]:
Know in the back of your head a little bit that you like, fuck, I just had a conversation.
Phillip [00:57:26]:
Oh, yeah, but I told you this, though. I did this in the break room yesterday. Remember I told you I was having the conversation about movies and television with one of the people down here. And in the back of your head.
Eldar [00:57:39]:
You'Re like, what am I doing?
Phillip [00:57:39]:
I was noticing as I was starting to talk, I was like, oh, my God, we're pseudo connecting on this. And I used to always do this, and I saw that she was really connecting on it, buying it, and I was like, oh, my God. But I knew in that moment that what this was was not really connection and it was being thrown or presented as connection.
Mike [00:58:02]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:58:03]:
So that was me kind of being able to self evaluate in the moment.
Eldar [00:58:08]:
Correct. And you still did it without having a strong attachment.
Phillip [00:58:11]:
And I did not have a strong attachment.
Eldar [00:58:12]:
Imagine you have a strong attachment.
Mike [00:58:14]:
If you really wanted to take her to bed, you would have played the game. You know what I'm saying?
Phillip [00:58:20]:
My strongest attachment usually was this. And that's the one that's having.
Mike [00:58:26]:
I.
Phillip [00:58:27]:
Guess, not as strong of an attachment anymore, like with the stripper or people hitting me up.
Mike [00:58:31]:
You just haven't found the one that's going to really fucking captivate your.
Phillip [00:58:34]:
Yeah, you think so?
Mike [00:58:36]:
100%. The baddies.
Eldar [00:58:38]:
That's why they throw in the $20 million at you. Yeah, but see, they're throwing you that.
Mike [00:58:42]:
We're not throwing you fives and sixes. We're throwing you tens.
Phillip [00:58:44]:
Yeah, but see, with this level of thinking, like baddie or whatever the fuck it is, like, nonsense. I hate even saying this, where it's weird to say, but if you say it's that type of girl, as I'm thinking like this more, the one that really gets me going is like, I had a conversation today with that, like, a professional person who's talking a certain way, but who's kind and gentle.
Eldar [00:59:06]:
That's the impression that you're getting.
Phillip [00:59:08]:
That one correct. That one that I'm talking to, that definitely gets me going.
Eldar [00:59:12]:
Yeah, because the pony is wearing a very nice suit.
Mike [00:59:15]:
Yeah, that one pony is the pony.
Eldar [00:59:18]:
The pony is still the pony.
Phillip [00:59:19]:
Yeah, but couldn't that be something that I can genuinely like?
Eldar [00:59:22]:
Oh, you can trick yourself. You do a really good job of tricking yourself.
Phillip [00:59:26]:
Yeah, but why couldn't that be something that I actually genuinely like?
Eldar [00:59:30]:
It could, but you have to test the waters. You have to actually see where it goes.
Mike [00:59:34]:
You're making an assumption that person is an innocent little. Correct. Yeah. Flamingo. This is a wolf bro in sheep's clothing.
Eldar [00:59:43]:
That's right. Yeah. But until you say to yourself, Eldar, I know who I am, right? I'm this philip, and this is the way I'm going to act going forward. I like myself. This is my true essence, and I'm following it. And then you present that to that individual, then I can say, yes, philip, that's worth exploring. If you cannot be your true self, then I say, the gig is up. You're tricking yourself.
Phillip [01:00:08]:
So for the one that I was just talking to, I'm being as much as myself as I can possibly be. And then I realized after three, four times of hanging out done. So I realized that the way that she was talking, the way that she was acting, I didn't want this anymore. And I realized that I wasn't just saying, I miss you, or I like your body, because I wasn't actually genuinely feeling those things where I usually would say this. So I can just maybe prolong the inevitable or keep some kind of false connection. So if I do find somebody where I'm genuinely engaged in their intellect and their conversation and how they're making me feel, if they're kind or warm or all this stuff, couldn't I. Then I have to trust my gut at some level and say, this person is making me feel something, they're giving me some type of feeling, and I'm being my true self, wouldn't I have to then say, like, this could be a possibility?
Eldar [01:00:59]:
You probably will. Yeah. You will probably make those conclusions.
Phillip [01:01:02]:
Yeah, but you're saying that they're possibly not, right, because of the stage that I'm at now.
Eldar [01:01:06]:
Well, yeah. Well, the thing is, like I said, you have to be able to be your true self in front of the person, and that means you can't be lying to her. You can't be lying to yourself.
Mike [01:01:19]:
The thing is, those things that you're talking about, the lying to yourself, to her, and to yourself, they're very subtle.
Eldar [01:01:26]:
Yes.
Mike [01:01:26]:
So those three or four dates you could have went on because you don't know yourself enough.
Eldar [01:01:30]:
Yes.
Mike [01:01:30]:
You could have banned her from the first, second.
Eldar [01:01:32]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:01:32]:
If you would have paid attention.
Eldar [01:01:34]:
However, your behavior, because you know people really well, these types of people, you cherry picked very good comments, very good subtle actions in order to continue the date, which is very dangerous.
Phillip [01:01:46]:
But there's also, in me, too, there was wanting to sleep with somebody also.
Eldar [01:01:53]:
Oh, yeah, you had a horse in the race.
Phillip [01:01:55]:
So that, to me, was the biggest horse in the race.
Eldar [01:01:59]:
Again. Right. I'm willing to sleep. I need to sleep with you. Therefore, I will say certain things, which, again, might not be the same thing as being a truth.
Mike [01:02:07]:
You still play a certain level of a certain. Play the game.
Eldar [01:02:11]:
So in this example, knowing that you.
Mike [01:02:14]:
Don'T want to play that game, but you do have to play the game.
Eldar [01:02:16]:
In order to get the draws.
Phillip [01:02:17]:
So in this example, I was having a conversation with this person, and we were given the example of, or we had the conversation of her saying, there's two different types of relationships. Like I was telling you guys, one is it's okay to just sleep with that person if you have boundaries and you respect each other's boundaries. And the other one is you'll end up in a relationship, you have different types of feelings, and you build a life together like that. And that made me feel comfortable, and that was me being my genuine self and saying, like, oh, shit, that makes me feel comfortable. My guards down. Now. I don't know if she was genuinely saying this or at the time I thought she genuinely believed this. Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't.
Phillip [01:02:57]:
But her behavior changed after a little bit, and mine stayed consistent with what the first one was for me, which was, I just want to sleep with you. We respect each other's boundaries and we kind of just go about our own business.
Mike [01:03:07]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:03:08]:
So to me, that's really what I wanted from this.
Eldar [01:03:11]:
Okay, cool. But that's the thing. Right at the end of the day, was that kind of reiterated or reminded? Did you remind her of that? All I want to do is sleep with you.
Mike [01:03:21]:
Or some of your stuff that you said and did did not align with.
Eldar [01:03:25]:
That did indicate something else.
Phillip [01:03:26]:
I think in between me not contacting.
Eldar [01:03:29]:
You at all, I kind of thought I spoke volumes.
Phillip [01:03:33]:
Yeah, I thought that.
Mike [01:03:34]:
But did you, like, I guess part of a relationship or relationship thing is where you share your personal life, like sending messages, sending pictures, saying, like, hey, how are you doing?
Phillip [01:03:45]:
I'm not doing this.
Mike [01:03:46]:
You're not doing this?
Phillip [01:03:47]:
No.
Eldar [01:03:47]:
Okay.
Phillip [01:03:48]:
No, there's flirting.
Eldar [01:03:49]:
No, there was no flirting over text messages or anything?
Phillip [01:03:54]:
No, I was not participating in this.
Eldar [01:03:56]:
Oh, okay.
Phillip [01:03:56]:
She was only reaching out to me, and there would be, like, maybe a span of four or five days, and she'd be like, hey, what's going on?
Eldar [01:04:06]:
Yeah, it's almost again. It's almost like she didn't get the point then.
Phillip [01:04:09]:
Exactly. But what I did ultimately realize was that this does not work. And what I do actually value, like I was telling you guys, was like, I do value somebody who's into me and asking me questions about myself. I'm talking about her again.
Eldar [01:04:23]:
Then you're talking about not one night stands, Phil. You're not talking about.
Phillip [01:04:27]:
I know this, but that's where my 50 50 comes in, where you're asking me about the money conversation. This is the same thing with relationships where I'm looking at a girl and I'm saying she's got a certain type of look, and I like this. But now I'm also not tempted by just the look, and I'm saying I want the other thing. But then also part of me is saying, like, hey, listen, I realize all the work and skills and stuff it's going to take for me to get to the point, to really, truly love myself and to be in a loving relationship. I'm not ready for that either. So again, I'm back to square one, where I'm not into the one night stand and I'm not ready for a loving relationship next level. So I'm in limbo. So it just kind of put me in the same place with a better understanding.
Phillip [01:05:06]:
But now it's like, okay, do I fully commit to then saying I want to have the loving, caring relationship that you can build a life with somebody? Or am I just going to be just in the middle because I'm not going back to one night stand world? Yeah, I don't want this.
Eldar [01:05:21]:
Okay.
Phillip [01:05:21]:
I know I don't.
Eldar [01:05:22]:
Yeah. No, it sounds like you're a relationship guy.
Phillip [01:05:25]:
I think deep down, I always have been, but I've never had the tools or never really committed to saying, like, I'm going to fully do.
Eldar [01:05:31]:
Yeah. Yeah. I think you're a relationship guy.
Phillip [01:05:33]:
I think so, too.
Eldar [01:05:35]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:05:36]:
I think we're all relationship like.
Eldar [01:05:39]:
Something tells me, Mike, that everybody's a relationship. Everybody is. Yeah.
Phillip [01:05:42]:
I think a guy, if you can tell a guy right now, right, you can have one girl who you're attracted to that fulfills you, that you fulfill them, and you don't have to go out and meet all these other types of women.
Eldar [01:05:53]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:05:54]:
I don't think, like, you have to.
Mike [01:05:55]:
Be a fucking idiot to say I agree 100%.
Eldar [01:05:59]:
But by definition, what he says fulfills. If you define what that means. Gigs up, bro.
Mike [01:06:04]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:06:05]:
Once you start to like the pursuit, I showed you me in action, like, pursuing somebody almost like from 100% ego place, saying, like, I'm going to go after this person. I know exactly the pickup line, and I'm going to do this. Not like a pickup line guy, but I just knew. I bet you if I do this, it's going to work. It did. I was zero fulfilled. I wanted nothing to do with this person. They were in my bed, and I was like, what?
Eldar [01:06:30]:
Throwing up?
Phillip [01:06:30]:
What am I doing? What did I do?
Eldar [01:06:33]:
Yeah, this is not me. Get her out of here.
Mike [01:06:36]:
See the way you're the fuck out of here. What you're saying makes sense. If you ask a guy, right? Or girl, if they want to be relationship, it makes sense.
Eldar [01:06:43]:
But we're talking about essence. That's why.
Mike [01:06:45]:
Yeah, but the kicker is. Oh, yeah, fine. The kicker is Dr. K, 100%. You know what I'm saying? Those people, they might want that, and they may ultimately.
Eldar [01:06:59]:
He's talking to their.
Mike [01:07:01]:
Yeah, for sure.
Eldar [01:07:02]:
You know what I'm saying? Philip is talking about his experiences and what he actually, actually wants. He just doesn't want to stick his dick in every.
Mike [01:07:08]:
No, I agree. I think nobody really wants that. Everybody would love to have actual, something meaningful.
Eldar [01:07:14]:
He wants to stick everybody dick into a girl for very long periods of time, prolonged periods of time for one.
Phillip [01:07:20]:
Year straight and take off work for a whole year.
Eldar [01:07:23]:
Annual agreement.
Phillip [01:07:24]:
Annual agreement.
Mike [01:07:26]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:07:26]:
Well, no opt outs, right?
Mike [01:07:27]:
No opt outs.
Phillip [01:07:29]:
But just think of that if you're liking the pursuit, which most guys say, like, no, most girls, when I hear like, oh, I really like dating, that's crazy to me because I don't like actually going on multiple dates with multiple people and getting to know somebody all over again. Because if you like this, and if I said that I ever liked this at any point, that, to me is me saying I'm connecting on really trivial, meaningless bullshit and that I'm actually getting good at manipulating people and hiding. So you're basically saying that you don't like to get deep with somebody and because if you did, meeting one person, you'll be done, should be enough, and you'd be done. And I haven't done this yet. Yeah, but if I did this, I can't imagine that I would say that this is not enough.
Eldar [01:08:14]:
And that's why I think that when you do, it's going to be it. I think so, too, but baby steps, 100%. There's a lot to it. I think. Again, we're going back to the how to fall in love topic.
Mike [01:08:27]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:08:28]:
But I think it's tied to the essence. Right?
Phillip [01:08:30]:
I think so too.
Eldar [01:08:31]:
Yeah. If he's talking about the stuff that he's talking about, and that makes up Philip at a core and his essence, he wants to connect, and I think that's a human essence as well, to connect.
Phillip [01:08:44]:
And that's something I always like to do. Even being in sales, being around people, I'm always somebody who's. I get energy from people interaction and stuff.
Eldar [01:08:53]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:08:53]:
When I interact with somebody versus being at home, my level of excitement and enthusiasm when I'm by myself versus another person, it's like night and day, night and day.
Eldar [01:09:04]:
Yeah, I agree with this. I've been known this about myself.
Phillip [01:09:07]:
Totally different.
Eldar [01:09:07]:
Sorry to hear that. You just found that out, you know? No. Yeah. I love people. I love socializing. I love that, too. For sure. It's definitely part of, I think, our bias.
Eldar [01:09:17]:
Even though some people say this loner.
Mike [01:09:20]:
Introverts, extroverts, all that nonsense.
Eldar [01:09:22]:
Yeah. No, I think that doesn't exist.
Mike [01:09:24]:
I don't think it exists. It's just trauma.
Phillip [01:09:27]:
That person hasn't.
Eldar [01:09:28]:
Trauma, Mike said the right word. Yeah.
Phillip [01:09:30]:
That person hasn't got over whatever they need to get over, and they haven't met the right people in order to bring that out in them.
Eldar [01:09:35]:
That's right. Well said.
Phillip [01:09:37]:
Video game person. Whatever. And you're like, oh, I just like to be by myself.
Mike [01:09:40]:
No.
Phillip [01:09:41]:
What if you connected with other video. Now, people with video games, they have headsets and they're connecting with other people. You're telling me that just because you're a video game person doesn't mean you're not necessarily extroverted in a way.
Eldar [01:09:51]:
No such thing.
Phillip [01:09:53]:
I think being quiet now, if you're.
Eldar [01:09:54]:
Playing a fucking one player game, not.
Mike [01:09:57]:
On the Internet by yourself, playing against.
Eldar [01:09:59]:
Bots on years straight, and you fucking love it.
Mike [01:10:03]:
That's amazing.
Phillip [01:10:04]:
Then you're a robot, then I don't.
Mike [01:10:05]:
Know who you're not.
Eldar [01:10:06]:
You are. Then you're a robot. Yeah. Stay away from me. Yeah, you're a robot. You know what I'm saying?
Phillip [01:10:11]:
You're the guy on the Matrix who's. What do they call them then they're in, like, the Matrix.
Eldar [01:10:15]:
Like the NPC.
Phillip [01:10:17]:
The NPC people or whatever.
Eldar [01:10:18]:
You're just a chicken and counterstrike non player character. Yeah. Then you're a robot.
Phillip [01:10:24]:
Exactly.
Eldar [01:10:25]:
So, yeah, man. Essence. I mean, I think, again, we're touching on all these things that lead us to what? To be able to connect again. And do what? To express our true essence, to connect again, to reason, to think, to connect with others, to feel together. You know what I'm saying? And that's love. Again. We're going back to love.
Mike [01:10:49]:
But it. It's crazy. Yeah. Nature is such a perfect example of how all different species of plants and animals, they interact.
Eldar [01:10:58]:
Coexist. Right?
Mike [01:10:59]:
Coexist. The trees. And if there was no bees, there would be no oxygen, no trees.
Eldar [01:11:04]:
Right. No trees.
Mike [01:11:05]:
That's fact.
Eldar [01:11:06]:
Right. This is a fact.
Mike [01:11:07]:
You know what I'm saying?
Eldar [01:11:07]:
This is a fact.
Mike [01:11:08]:
They both require each other for the harmony, for the world to be as it is to exist.
Eldar [01:11:12]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:11:13]:
And I think our essence is figuring out how we fit into that picture, to make sure that we contribute to the harmony.
Eldar [01:11:20]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:11:22]:
Is it the right thinking, the right acting, or is it both? Probably both.
Eldar [01:11:27]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:11:27]:
But what does that look like?
Eldar [01:11:28]:
Right? Yeah. It looks like love, bro. I think it looks like love. Yeah. What are the fucking accomplishments of human beings, right? It looks like true friendship.
Mike [01:11:38]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:11:39]:
It looks like compassion. It looks like creative expression. Creation in love. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's connecting, you know what I'm saying? And sharing those moments together. You know what I'm saying? Because we talked about your example. You go out there, you're like, yeah, I like to travel. And then you're like, wait a second.
Eldar [01:12:00]:
I think I like to travel with other people is the equation.
Mike [01:12:03]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:12:03]:
The equation is not, I like to travel.
Mike [01:12:05]:
No, because you've tried traveling.
Eldar [01:12:07]:
Yeah. When you were by yourself. Yeah.
Mike [01:12:09]:
I don't like it.
Eldar [01:12:10]:
You don't like traveling? Same here, bro. I don't like fucking traveling by myself. The fuck I like traveling and being able to tell you, yo, look, Mike, look at that fucking water. Let's go in it.
Mike [01:12:19]:
Beautiful.
Eldar [01:12:20]:
Clear. Look at the fish together. You know what I'm saying? That's what I like.
Mike [01:12:24]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:12:25]:
It's the connectedness that brings out at least my essence. Your essence. I agree.
Mike [01:12:33]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:12:33]:
You know what I mean? Philip's essence. He said, yo, I was here two days without you guys. I realized I was back at home again. Working from home.
Mike [01:12:41]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:12:43]:
You know what? You know, he was being open about it. He said, yo, this is not what I like. I like this. I like to bounce off ideas, share stories, share experiences and stuff like that. Knowledge. Give knowledge. Get knowledge. I think that's part of our human essence and experience that is embedded in us, that makes us feel good about ourselves and makes us more happier.
Eldar [01:13:14]:
There's nothing wrong with that. No. You know? Yeah. Shelt, Phelp, do we answer your question? I think so. Of essence, what's our human essence? We identify a couple of things, is to think, to reason and deduce thinking.
Mike [01:13:40]:
And reason is necessary.
Eldar [01:13:43]:
Yeah, it is necessary.
Mike [01:13:44]:
It's necessary so that we can get to that.
Eldar [01:13:46]:
Necessary. Super necessary.
Mike [01:13:49]:
I think it's implanted, I guess, in us. The ability.
Eldar [01:13:52]:
Correct.
Mike [01:13:53]:
So that we can actually get to our essence.
Eldar [01:13:55]:
Yeah, correct. It's the guide.
Mike [01:13:58]:
It's the guide.
Eldar [01:13:58]:
It's the guide. In order to really make things cohesive in our brains. Like, oh, this makes sense. I'm going to keep doing it as much as possible. That's it for myself. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Just last night, we're making love with Kathleen and the shebang. This fireworks.
Eldar [01:14:34]:
Yeah. Was like, yo, I always get these epiphanies through these moments.
Mike [01:14:38]:
You like epiphanies, though, in general?
Eldar [01:14:40]:
I do. Especially after those.
Mike [01:14:41]:
More than totally, though, or not probably.
Eldar [01:14:43]:
More than totally, but a lot of times I have those. I was like, yo, the purpose of it is fucking our purpose. A lot of times people ask, right? Like, what's my purpose?
Mike [01:14:53]:
What's my purpose?
Eldar [01:14:54]:
You know what I mean? And a lot of people get that confused in that moment, especially in those types of moments where we're so vulnerable and open. The purpose is to love. You know what I mean? And it's as simple as fucking that. Right. And that is an opportunity to be anywhere. Love your mom, love your sister, love your dog, love your friends. It's everywhere. You know what I'm saying?
Mike [01:15:20]:
Yeah, absolutely.
Eldar [01:15:22]:
And if people are confused about their purpose and what they ought to be doing, you can always rely on that. You know what I'm saying? Because it's embedded in our essence. Yeah. To be loving, to be caring, to be good. That's what came to me. I was like, it's crazy. 14 years together, we still connect the way we do. You know what I mean? And it's always fucking great.
Phillip [01:15:50]:
But it's in those vulnerable moments where you are the most vulnerable that you do understand the simplest truth, the simplest.
Mike [01:16:00]:
Know.
Eldar [01:16:00]:
Because a lot of times, Catherine has the dilemma about finding, like, what am I supposed to do? And all this other shit. You know what saying? Like, I guess it's that story from my Anastasia book about the brothers, right? She struggles with that. What's my purpose and stuff like that. You know what I mean? And in that moment, I realized how good of a wife she is to me and that were we experiencing the gift of really being together and connected? That I'm like, yo, this is your purpose. Your purpose is to fucking be a good wife, to love me. You know what saying? And, like, you're doing, babe, like, don't take that away from yourself. You know what I'm saying? But a lot of times we minimize that. We're supposed to be doing something fucking extraordinary.
Eldar [01:16:42]:
Writing fucking Lord of the Rings novels or fucking Harry Potter fucking shit, you know what I mean? No, we don't have to do any of that. You know what I mean? I think being a good person and being loving, it's the purpose of human beings. You know what I'm saying? I personally think I deduce that, and.
Phillip [01:17:05]:
I think people do grow at different stages, have different levels. I don't think it's crazy for, like, you know, like, let's say, like, me and cat are in a similar position where, like, maybe we don't know our purposes. Like, I don't think it's crazy that, like, at 45 years old, maybe, like, it clicks and like, yeah, we have.
Eldar [01:17:22]:
We have that.
Phillip [01:17:24]:
I think a lot of people have. I see relationships that start later, some start earlier. Some people figure out what they want to do very early on. I think who you are, maybe, like, the stuff that you have to go through, the experiences that you have to have, I think that could also play a factor. Maybe her being in a relationship, maybe being a mom eventually and doing all these things maybe unlocks that thing in her.
Eldar [01:17:48]:
That's right.
Phillip [01:17:48]:
And then it comes out because it's like the video games, right? If you don't get to level five or six, you can't get to level eight. Sometimes people are at level two or three and they're like, yo, I haven't figured it out yet. Because you didn't pass the boss yet.
Eldar [01:18:02]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:18:03]:
So that's how I look at stuff, too, when you're like simple terms like that. And I'm like, damn. All the stuff I went through so far, I've probably been stuck on level two or three trying to get to level eight when I didn't do all the other levels in between. Now I feel like I'm doing all those ones, which is basically acquiring the skills and the knowledge to get myself out of the muck by myself, opposed to relying on somebody else and then starting to understand what my value is and giving myself some credit.
Mike [01:18:28]:
That's right.
Eldar [01:18:29]:
See, that's a very good point. Give yourself some credit. That's a very good point.
Phillip [01:18:32]:
Along the way.
Eldar [01:18:33]:
Correct.
Phillip [01:18:35]:
And minimize expectation where I told you.
Eldar [01:18:37]:
That's right.
Phillip [01:18:37]:
A lot of my expectation for self generating my happiness was skyrocket high.
Eldar [01:18:41]:
Crazy.
Phillip [01:18:42]:
I'm taking my competitive brain that I bring to work, beating yourself up and beating myself up, saying like, hey, why am I not doing this? And you're like, yo, you don't know yourself yet. Why would you expect it from yourself? It takes for an outside opinion to tell me this. And I'm like, oh, shit. Yeah, you're right.
Eldar [01:18:58]:
Because, and it takes being a little bit humble to be able to accept that opinion. Yeah.
Phillip [01:19:01]:
And then realize, like, yeah, I shouldn't be doing this. So while you're also maybe knocking yourself down a peg, you're also bringing yourself back up in a way because you're showing yourself actually genuine love.
Eldar [01:19:12]:
That's right.
Phillip [01:19:13]:
Opposed to unrealized or unexpected. What is it called? Just like unreasonable expectation.
Eldar [01:19:23]:
Exactly.
Phillip [01:19:23]:
That's the word I was looking for. Yeah, that's definitely important along the journey when you're figuring out your purpose to be hard on yourself along the way. To me, it's hard enough to not know your purpose and not have the vision if that's the punishment or that's the situation or whatever that is. I think beating yourself up over it, on top of it, just like the extra stress level that's unneeded.
Eldar [01:19:44]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:19:46]:
And that's what I was doing.
Eldar [01:19:47]:
Yeah. Where the simplest answer can be right in front of you. Right. The fact that, sure, you might not have a clear, defined answer about how you view purpose or you understand it, but nonetheless, you're being of service to your family or being a good friend. You know what I'm saying? And being a good partner or whatever, those are huge things nonetheless.
Phillip [01:20:13]:
See, I think those things.
Eldar [01:20:15]:
And don't take that for granted.
Phillip [01:20:17]:
See, I think those things when we're talking about essence and how you can get wrapped up in other things, I think when we grow up, or at least how I did, maybe you'd have a good person in your family group or friends that would tell you like, oh, you're such a good person, blah, blah, blah. But I think that gets lost very quickly as you get older, because at least the way that I experience it is when you get older, then you have different responsibilities or things that you should do. You have to go to school, you have to get certain grades, then you have to make certain money. And this environment start to take over, and then you being a good person is then not enough. Yeah, and I learned that, but I.
Mike [01:20:53]:
Don'T think that's what it is, though. I think it's not enough because you're actually not a good person.
Eldar [01:20:58]:
Whoa. That's a different question. Let me take a piece of that.
Phillip [01:21:01]:
Yeah, that could be a possibility. But I think you not becoming a good person is as a result of moving away from not thinking that being a good person is of value. Then I think it's easier to then do devilish type things and not stay in tune with your essence. Because once somebody tells you you have to do XyZ and being a good person is not valued, I think it's very easy to go off the beaten path and say, like, okay, if this isn't important and this isn't valued, I can sell my soul or my virtues for getting what is valued. And then you're going down this route where you become that person who's not necessarily good anymore. But I think there's a transition at some point. I think everybody, when they're born, is good. I don't think somebody is born bad.
Mike [01:21:49]:
Yes, correct. 100%. We are born.
Phillip [01:21:52]:
Yeah. I think we're born good.
Mike [01:21:54]:
Yeah. I absolutely agree. Parting of being. I think I was thinking about what you guys are saying. Love and be loved.
Eldar [01:22:01]:
Right.
Mike [01:22:02]:
I think the essence is not. I'm not sure if it's. Maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe it's technicality. And I think this ties into the cat's thing, where our essence is to love ourselves.
Eldar [01:22:15]:
Number one.
Mike [01:22:16]:
Number one first. And then I think no matter which way you swing it to, beloved is coming.
Eldar [01:22:22]:
Right. It's just. Yeah. Right.
Mike [01:22:26]:
Because if you have your cup is full, you naturally, I think we're designed that we want to share our.
Eldar [01:22:32]:
Okay, Mike. So, okay. But that equation doesn't work with a person where you, for example, meet somebody right now and you have the ability to display compassion towards a person who's broken. Doesn't work like that. So that person is not loving to themselves, but you still have the ability to love to them.
Mike [01:22:48]:
Of course, but to tie it back to the essence, that's why I was saying the essence is, I think the requirement is to love yourself first in order to tap into the essence, because if you don't love yourself, it's very hard to. It's also difficult to be loved, as you see. She obviously allows you to love her, but she still has things that she's struggling, which, like, oh, even about her body, she talks to you all the time like, yeah, this does not matter to me. You don't care about this. It's her inability to love herself. Right.
Eldar [01:23:20]:
That's right.
Mike [01:23:20]:
In that moment, she's not allowing you to love her when she's saying those things. And obviously it's all moment to moment thing.
Eldar [01:23:27]:
Correct.
Mike [01:23:27]:
But I think that's a big part of it, is that loving yourself is the huge first step. I agree with that. And then obviously to be loved is to follow. And I think about it in my own thing.
Eldar [01:23:44]:
Well, yeah, we're still struggling with the weight thing. Right. For example, you and her. Right.
Mike [01:23:49]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:23:49]:
Where the essence of you being a good friend is overshadowed sometimes by being, you being overweight.
Mike [01:23:55]:
Yeah. From myself, my own belief.
Eldar [01:23:58]:
That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
Mike [01:23:59]:
100%.
Eldar [01:24:00]:
You know what I mean? And it's almost like.
Mike [01:24:04]:
But I guess that shows to me where I have flaws in my self love, but that really shows to me where I have flaw in my own value.
Eldar [01:24:11]:
But that doesn't mean you're a bad person.
Mike [01:24:12]:
It doesn't, but I'm a bad person to myself. Believe that.
Eldar [01:24:16]:
Correct.
Mike [01:24:16]:
So that means that that belief system, if I believe that my being overweight is a bad thing, then I am not loving myself because that thing is not really relevant. I'm not in a weight where it's like I'm about to fucking die because I'm overweight. I'm a little bit. It's not like a critical health condition.
Eldar [01:24:39]:
Right. Yeah.
Mike [01:24:40]:
But I'm making it to be that big in my own head because my own belief systems, insecurities, traumas.
Eldar [01:24:46]:
Right.
Mike [01:24:46]:
Like all those things. So I think a lot of it is that until you conquer those things that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things, you can't love yourself truly. And then you can't really consider yourself a good person. That's why I said, okay.
Eldar [01:25:02]:
So moment to moment.
Mike [01:25:04]:
Yeah. You can't be a good person to yourself if you still believe that this has something to do with it.
Eldar [01:25:08]:
Okay. And you can't leave with that, then.
Mike [01:25:10]:
You definitely can't leave with it.
Eldar [01:25:11]:
Yeah. All right. Yeah. No, that makes sense. Yeah. But then, yeah. If you're committing a crime against yourself, yeah. You still are not tapping into your essence, then you're not buying into it.
Mike [01:25:28]:
I guess. If you love yourself, is it something that you are doing every single day, every single second?
Eldar [01:25:35]:
Well, no, of course not.
Mike [01:25:36]:
Of course not.
Eldar [01:25:37]:
Right. But you would think a majority, majority.
Mike [01:25:39]:
Of the time and you would see.
Eldar [01:25:40]:
Yourself in where depressive states or not depressive states, are you more happier in the mood or you're not? You know what I'm saying? Like, are you going out there and shining or you're going out there depressing, you know what I mean? All smiles, no frowns kind of thing. You know what I mean? Yeah, I got you, D. Yeah.
Phillip [01:25:55]:
Even if you're thriving, professional, whatever it may be, you have to have moments of doubts at some point, even if they're fleeting moments here and there.
Eldar [01:26:05]:
What? Ying and yang, right? Ying is a lot of white and.
Mike [01:26:08]:
A little bit of black, or a lot of black and a little bit of white.
Phillip [01:26:10]:
Exactly. Are you coming from the foundation of love with a little bit of doubt, or are you like a doubtful person and pessimistic and have little blips of love from those people are probably at least the state that I was in for that you're more prone to, probably drinking and drugs and one night stance and all this kind of stuff to give you those little blips of love or pretended love.
Eldar [01:26:30]:
Yeah. You need that kind of continue survival tactics. Survival.
Mike [01:26:34]:
Yeah, almost. Yeah.
Eldar [01:26:37]:
I see that. Yeah. Survival, which again, survival, then, is not necessarily it's part of us, part of our system. Right. But it's not necessarily the top tier of our self actualization part.
Mike [01:26:53]:
Yeah. I think it comes to me, it comes back to, are you a slave to your survival, or is your survival a slave to you? Do you have control over this thing.
Eldar [01:27:02]:
Or it has control over you?
Mike [01:27:04]:
If these things have control over you, like survival, it's hard to live a fucking good life because you're living constantly in fear.
Eldar [01:27:12]:
In fear, doubt. Patriot to paycheck. Yeah.
Mike [01:27:16]:
How can you even think about loving yourself and even more understanding what you're signing up for to love somebody else, make a commitment. That's huge. But people always overestimate, typically their abilities, and then they get in trouble.
Eldar [01:27:39]:
I guess there is a certain level of balance in life, then that is justified. Like Philip earlier said, whatever that you're experiencing, you've earned it, you know what I'm saying? One way or the other, either through lack of self love or with self love. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I just personally think that through philosophy, I think we unlock a lot of our true potential and have the ability to use reason and thinking to our advantage, to really propel ourselves to the next levels and really experience life of what it can really offer versus being oppressed by it. I have countless examples from you guys where we've implemented applied philosophy and examples that fucking transcended you guys to next levels. So that's my fucking testimonial and myself, obviously. Why would I brag about know. So as Philip was saying, it's good stuff.
Mike [01:28:46]:
It is good stuff.
Eldar [01:28:48]:
It is, right? Yeah.
Mike [01:28:50]:
But the goal, or it's maybe unspoken, unsaid, but the goal of the reason to love yourself is not to then to be loved.
Eldar [01:29:00]:
The reason to love yourself is not the reason to be then I agree. It is a standalone reason.
Mike [01:29:06]:
That's important.
Eldar [01:29:07]:
It is important.
Mike [01:29:08]:
It is important.
Eldar [01:29:08]:
Yeah. Because then if you introduce the other thing, then you're selfish and then you're looking still for an outcome.
Phillip [01:29:14]:
No, I don't think you can genuinely do that. And then if you're saying that I want something from this, then you're not genuinely loving yourself.
Eldar [01:29:22]:
Correct. Yeah.
Mike [01:29:23]:
That's why I think the essence of just loving yourself is a standalone thing. It's a separate thing.
Eldar [01:29:30]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:29:31]:
Self love.
Eldar [01:29:31]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:29:33]:
And I think maybe part of loving yourself then it just comes as a byproduct is then to be loved.
Eldar [01:29:41]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:29:42]:
And then love somebody else for sure. Like Archie's doing right now. He's loving himself right now.
Eldar [01:29:50]:
Right now.
Mike [01:29:50]:
Big time.
Eldar [01:29:52]:
Mr. Arch, how's that booty taste? All right, so I think we did good.
Mike [01:29:59]:
Yeah, it's good.
Eldar [01:30:00]:
What's the final thoughts on essence, Philip? Did you get a better clarity on it and maybe gives you guidance on how to live and how to proceed with your suffering?
Phillip [01:30:10]:
Yeah, I think it's still so new with everything that I'm implementing, but I definitely got more clarity on the theory that we had where you can only be one person in the moment at the same time. So that is definitely clarity on that. I agree with this, putting that into practice. I think it can be a possibility, but I think the approach of pursuing the person that you want to be, or at least the truer person that I'm aspiring to be, and then the things happening as a result of it, I think those other bad examples or those maybe potential temptations present themselves no matter what because, oh, yeah, I'm not escaping the other 50% person that I am. And then a money example is, hey, if you're given x amount of money, would you stay here and do philosophy and stay with you guys? Or I just take the money and run? And 50% of me is saying, yeah, that money sounds great. And the other 50% is like saying, hey, you are not ready to accept this kind of money. And what you're doing here is actually growing yourself. So in another example with a woman or something like this.
Phillip [01:31:21]:
I think that 50%, until you kind of fully love yourself and you're a self actualized person, you're going to carry that with you no matter what. So in my examples of what I'm doing now, I'm trying to lead with the 50% of the person that is doing the thing that I think is right and correct. And even then, you're still getting that other temptation of that 50% and you are able to decide. So I think leading with that shit or leading with the other one, I was doing that 100% when you're unconscious, and I was not getting the result that I wanted. And now doing it like this, I'm presented with a situation, whether it's a girl or it's an opportunity with work or something like this, where I'm presented with something, where I can make a decision and I can choose in that moment to resort back to the people pleaser self or be my new version of myself.
Mike [01:32:08]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:32:08]:
And I'm finding that I'm choosing the truer one. And I'm finding that there is other examples where for something like low level, low risk, where I'm talking to somebody in the break room about maybe a tv show, and you get caught up in it, and I start to have the thought as I'm talking and saying, hey, this does not mean anything. I'm not connecting on this, but I would not have had this thought.
Eldar [01:32:31]:
Sensitive to that pain.
Phillip [01:32:32]:
So I got more sensitive to the pain. Exactly. So I think when you're leading with the good and being the person that you want to be your truer self, I think you're going to be faced with this no matter what. And if you are open to pursuing this purpose, I don't find myself having to do anything outside of it, because when I was doing this, I was only pretty much leading myself into this shit. And I think you're going to lead yourself to the shit no matter what if that's still kind of dragging with you. But if you're leading with that person, that truer person, I think you have a better chance to overcome it and pick the right thing. I think that if you lead with the shit, you're going to be more prone to choose the shit. And I give you examples of watching TikTok and being influenced by these other outside things.
Phillip [01:33:16]:
When you are influenced by the shit, I think it's easier for your brain to be fogged and be distracted and then go into those states, because it puts me into a low level emotional state of closer to a depression versus a happiness self actualized state. And from that state, I'd probably be more prone to eat bad, drink, maybe sleep with somebody for one night stand. That doesn't mean anything. Have a meaningful conversation with somebody. So as I'm learning about this, I'm learning that the state that I'm in and the state that I put myself in is very important. And where I make my decisions from is equally as important. And making them from the place that I think is good is definitely a lot more beneficial than making them from the shit place in a small period of time. It's a small sample size so far, but.
Eldar [01:34:05]:
So would you say that you're hanging by a straw? Why did I deduce that?
Mike [01:34:13]:
I don't know. Yeah.
Eldar [01:34:14]:
Was that good?
Mike [01:34:15]:
That was good.
Phillip [01:34:16]:
I would say he's saying it by a threat. I would say it's very small amount of sample size, but where I'm coming from is from a strong place.
Eldar [01:34:25]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:34:25]:
So I wouldn't say no, you're coming.
Eldar [01:34:27]:
Off strong for sure.
Mike [01:34:27]:
But yeah, I would say missing the one thing that we've been speaking about a lot is, I think, the empowerment and knowing that you can navigate any situation the way you want to navigate. Yeah, like that. In a conversation with that girl in a break room. It's supposed to be your conversation and if it's her conversation, that's how it started. You can then redirect it with humor and hem hogging questioning and be like, oh, why is this important to you? Just a simple question like that. Obviously it's pretty direct, but disarming the stupidity and then introducing like, hey. And that's where you empower yourself. Like, hey, this is my world.
Mike [01:35:06]:
I'm going to play in it the way I want.
Phillip [01:35:07]:
Yes. At that level.
Eldar [01:35:09]:
Yes. Wait till you get there.
Phillip [01:35:11]:
That's like challenging on the phone. I'm not ready for challenging.
Eldar [01:35:14]:
Correct.
Phillip [01:35:14]:
That's a challenge.
Eldar [01:35:15]:
Correct.
Mike [01:35:16]:
That's a challenge. But 100% humor.
Phillip [01:35:19]:
I'm just starting to take a genuine interest in somebody else's thing.
Eldar [01:35:22]:
It's a fight.
Phillip [01:35:23]:
It's a fight.
Eldar [01:35:24]:
Yeah, that's what I told you. We've upgraded you.
Phillip [01:35:27]:
I'm upgraded to genuinely, from customer service now. I'm upgraded to genuinely interested in what's going on.
Eldar [01:35:33]:
This does not mean yet to punch them in the face.
Phillip [01:35:35]:
I'm not hitting them yet.
Eldar [01:35:36]:
No, not hitting them yet. Get interested. Find out what you're listening to and what you're hearing. And I want you to hear stupidity. I want you to see it, to feel it. You know what I mean? And then I think that you'll progress to be able to say the exact right things. And then when you get those exact right things, you will see what kind of attachment. You'll build between you and that person.
Eldar [01:35:58]:
And they're going to want more of Philip.
Phillip [01:36:00]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:36:00]:
Because it's the essence of a human being, is to deliver the truth.
Eldar [01:36:05]:
Because you're going to be talking to a very specific thing. Yeah, I like this. You like it? You excited or no?
Phillip [01:36:11]:
I like stuff like this.
Mike [01:36:13]:
Take your beaches to the punch, he said, I like stuff like this.
Eldar [01:36:17]:
Yeah, he does like stuff like this. He wants to oppress the world. If we let him off the chain, bro. Holy fuck. Right now, he's very raw.
Mike [01:36:23]:
He is.
Eldar [01:36:24]:
He'll fuck shit up, man. You got to be careful with him. He's still coming out of anger.
Mike [01:36:29]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:36:29]:
He wants revenge.
Mike [01:36:31]:
I agree.
Eldar [01:36:32]:
You know what I'm saying?
Mike [01:36:33]:
But once he understands that he can control stuff, outcomes, he'll apply. He's going to have a lot of fun.
Eldar [01:36:39]:
He's going to have fun.
Mike [01:36:40]:
Probably have too much fun.
Eldar [01:36:41]:
Yeah, for sure.
Mike [01:36:42]:
Which we've been accused of. Yes.
Eldar [01:36:47]:
We've been accused of that a lot of times, man. A lot of people walk through this door. Or walked out of this door, man, because of that, man.
Phillip [01:36:53]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:36:54]:
So, Dennis, you better watch out. We about to cut off Philip. Holy shit.
Phillip [01:37:01]:
Let's do it.
Mike [01:37:02]:
Final thoughts. Alder, you got something?
Eldar [01:37:05]:
Phil put it really well.
Mike [01:37:06]:
Philip did.
Eldar [01:37:06]:
Yeah. Phil put it really well. Yeah. If anybody out there is scratching the surface on their own essence. And what they should be doing. And how they have some weird part of themselves. That they're hiding and stuff like that. But it's really like they keep coming back to it over and over and over again.
Eldar [01:37:25]:
It's probably linked to their essence. You can't get away from it. You know what I mean? People want to think. People want to reason. People want to connect. Right? Again. Connect. That's what I'm talking about.
Eldar [01:37:35]:
I'm talking about that social aspect. I'm talking about really getting to a place where it can fill you up versus take away from you. You know what I mean? I think that's where our essence lies in. And that's probably connected to love somewhere. One way, shape or form. It does connected to that. And the faster you get to that place, the faster you'll be in a good place. And actually, you know how to rest.
Eldar [01:37:59]:
You'll know how to enjoy. You know how to have fun. You know, what to put your energy to, not to. You'll understand the balance of things, of yourself, most importantly, self love, right? And self respect. You know what I mean? That's part of our essence too. Knowing that the faster you do it, the happier you'll be. The faster you're happier you'll be. So search for it, ask questions and get to the bottom of these things.
Eldar [01:38:26]:
I think these things are very important for our well being, right? And our well being, again, is tied directly to essence. Well being equals essence. If we are following our essence, we will be well.
Mike [01:38:39]:
That's it.
Eldar [01:38:40]:
Well being equals essence. Essence equals well being, right? That's how I see it. You know what I'm saying? If we're not well somewhere, it's. We're probably hitting it wrong, right? It could be anger, it could be frustration or whatever. We identify one for him about how he's attached to outcomes. Outcomes. Good outcomes. If he doesn't get good outcomes, taking.
Phillip [01:39:02]:
People for their work on the phone.
Eldar [01:39:03]:
Yeah. Customers, it makes him feel a certain type of way, right? And if it's making him feel a certain type of way, it's clearly showing that he's out of balance, out of whack. He's not interpreting it, understanding it for what it is and how it is, the fast that he gets over that hurdle, the fast that he'll see the world for what it is and be able to embrace himself in it, know how to act properly and liberate himself from those outcomes that are right now not desirable. You know what I mean? But you have to dig. If you don't fucking dig, you're going to get a little stuck and sideswiped by society, by TikTok, by social media, by the Andrew Tates, and fucking Joe Rogan's or whoever the fuck is misleading you, you know what I mean? Into a pit of discipline, you know what saying, yeah, and how to fucking push through and push through and push through and not self love, you know what? So that's my, that's my fucking rant on that.
Mike [01:39:58]:
Not bad.
Eldar [01:39:59]:
Lick your ass more often, as Archie would put.
Mike [01:40:02]:
Yeah, yeah.
Phillip [01:40:04]:
What do you got, Mike?
Mike [01:40:05]:
What do I have?
Eldar [01:40:05]:
Yeah, what do you have, Mike? On essence?
Mike [01:40:07]:
Yeah, no, I think we did cover really well, and I think we definitely uncovered again, self love is very good linked to it. And I think it's very interesting. Personally, I like to think about it as becoming more observant of it in the areas that we're not showing self love to ourselves, obviously. And then uncover those things because obviously, if you have a desire, like me personally have a desire to achieve something, right? And it's not working out for me, but I'm trying to line up with these things that would help me to unlock this in myself, which is like, it makes me think, where am I then? Not loving myself. That's right. And as I'm evaluating, I always ask myself this question. I'm like, I look around at my relationships, right? And it could be a relationship with a person, could be relationship with my job. It could be relationship with my parents.
Mike [01:41:06]:
It doesn't necessarily have to mean a relationship with individual, right? It could be my relationship where I think about money, relationship where I think about girls, relationship with, about my job, how I'm going to do it. So I always think to myself, like, which relationships are good, am I good in or which relationships I'm bad in? That's my base. And that tells me, like, hey, if I'm not good in this relationship, that means I'm not ready to go into this relationship. If I'm not good at my relationship or understanding of what I'm expected to do, if I go into a relationship with a girl, I'm not ready for it because there's something self locking me, like lack of self love. Okay? So that's one thing that I've been doing.
Eldar [01:41:48]:
Okay, that's good.
Mike [01:41:49]:
I test myself to see like, hey, am I living the life that I want to live? And I have to look around everywhere. Where areas am I fucking up? Where areas am I not happy? Yeah. And where am I happy? I don't just look at the negative, I also look at the good stuff, too. So I think for me, that's been a great kind of tool.
Eldar [01:42:09]:
That's great. That's a good measure.
Mike [01:42:10]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:42:11]:
Because you're a social butterfly. You have a lot of people. So because you have a lot of people, you'll have a lot of challenges.
Mike [01:42:16]:
Oh, yeah.
Eldar [01:42:17]:
And like you said, if you can't have a good relationship with Philip or you can't with me or with Tolly, you know what saying, like, bro, you're going to get those challenges because that challenge to be in a romantic relationship is going to bring so many challenges, so intimate challenges that you will see my face there, you will see Philip's face, that you will see Toli's face there and your parents face and all those. Yeah. That's actually a very good measure that if you're measuring yourself against the relationships that you have in order to say whether or not you're ready for something greater that's.
Mike [01:42:52]:
Awesome. I think. I guess, in a way, I separate it, but I realize it's all the same. It's all the same because my relationship with you or Philip or Tolle or my mom and dad shouldn't be different. Yeah.
Eldar [01:43:02]:
It should be consistent. But.
Mike [01:43:07]:
I guess the relationships are different somewhat.
Eldar [01:43:10]:
Yeah, they are.
Mike [01:43:11]:
But essentially the core of it and the essence of it is, is it rooted in the things, the way that I want to live my life.
Eldar [01:43:17]:
And how do you feel in them?
Mike [01:43:18]:
Yeah, and how do I feel in them?
Eldar [01:43:19]:
Right. If you feel one way with me, that's one thing. One way with your mom is another thing. Philip is another thing. Totally. Is another thing. Right. If it's a clear disparity.
Eldar [01:43:28]:
Oh, I feel good with Eldar. I feel good with Philip. I feel terrible with my mom. I feel terrible with. And it's like, what's going on here?
Mike [01:43:34]:
Then something's wrong.
Eldar [01:43:35]:
Something's up.
Mike [01:43:37]:
That's a gauge, for sure.
Eldar [01:43:38]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:43:39]:
But, yeah, they are the same. I'm the same person.
Eldar [01:43:43]:
That's right.
Mike [01:43:44]:
And my belief system is the same, whether it's with you, with my parents.
Eldar [01:43:47]:
It should be extending the same way.
Mike [01:43:49]:
So it's bringing that identity full circle, right? Yeah, I guess so. It's not really like I'm a different person or I'm somebody else. I'm the same everywhere I go, or the goal is to be the same 100%. And when you can bring that full circle to every relationship or interact you have or whatever you involve yourself in, then you're good.
Eldar [01:44:10]:
You have consistency of character.
Mike [01:44:12]:
Consistency of character.
Eldar [01:44:13]:
You like yourself, you're happy, and then you could finally introduce that to somebody else to share that with someone else. And then that person is like, yo, they're irresistible. I'll fuck with that shit. I like that.
Mike [01:44:22]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:44:23]:
You know what I mean? You can be the backbone. You could be a real man in order to really fucking hold it down in all aspects of life. Yeah, that's great. That's awesome. Yeah. All right. Cool, man. That was great.
Eldar [01:44:35]:
Good job, guys. Yeah. Shit. Good job. Bye.
85. Unveiling Our True Selves: Embracing Essence
Sep 01, 2023•2 hr 45 min•Ep. 85
Episode description
How can people connect with their true essence and purpose?
In this conversation, we'll explore the profound realms of essence, purpose, and what it means to be true to oneself. Phillip shares his insights on trusting the universe and the pursuit of authenticity in a world filled with distractions like social media and entertainment. We'll delve into the intricacies of human connection, the dichotomy of introversion and extroversion, and how tapping into our essence can lead to love, harmony, and creative expression.
Are squirrels aware of their purpose while burying nuts? How do our actions align with our morals and virtues? Today, we'll tackle these questions and even discuss the potential misunderstood nature of video game players. Phillip opens up about his reluctance for superficial encounters and desire for a meaningful, loving relationship, while Eldar and Mike ponder the importance of self-love and the challenging balance of social connections.
Moreover, our conversation will cover the often-overlooked impact of our nocturnal habits on mental clarity and personal growth. Phillip expresses his yearning for deeper introspection, and together, we will discover the immense value of understanding oneself, reason through challenges, and the profound truth that simple love might just be the ultimate purpose of being human.
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