Tommy [00:00:01]:
I have a kind of philosophy.
Mike [00:00:02]:
Yeah, hold on a second. Nobody's asking.
Eldar [00:00:04]:
Wait, why are you interrupting?
Mike [00:00:05]:
When you tap into your. I guess that true power, that soul, the truth. The truth of the universe.
Eldar [00:00:13]:
Yes.
Mike [00:00:14]:
That is the direct depiction of fireworks.
Phillip [00:00:17]:
We exposed him for looking stupid and he wants to keep looking smart. So now the thing of moving forward is does he genuine, really want to look smart consistently or does he want to hide?
Tommy [00:00:29]:
I think that finding friends is like the inheritance of getting rich.
Eldar [00:00:33]:
Friendship is the inheritance of being rich. That doesn't make any fucking sense that I said it.
Eldar [00:00:39]:
Now.
Eldar [00:00:41]:
Get the fuck out of here right now, you confusing son of a bitch.
Phillip [00:00:45]:
Should we eat bread pudding before we do it? What level of gratitude do you think I have for this bread pudding and cat.
Eldar [00:00:49]:
Right now.
Eldar [00:00:58]:
Today'S topic, today's question we're going to discuss. How come some people can't tap in into being grateful? How come some people stray away from being grateful, forget to be grateful and all the other why, if being grateful is such a powerful thing, seeing things for what they are and just being thankful for them and grateful for them, why so many people can't do it? Or constantly needs to be reminded of being grateful?
Tommy [00:01:24]:
I'm grateful for what you just said.
Eldar [00:01:27]:
Hey, thank you. Mike's firing.
Mike [00:01:31]:
I'm fired up.
Eldar [00:01:32]:
I've got a firing in all eight cylinders.
Tommy [00:01:34]:
Do you have a button there that does a siren? Because anytime before I speak, I'd like for you to press that button.
Eldar [00:01:39]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:01:40]:
I'm grateful for the wine that we got introduced to and understanding all the properties of why it tastes really good.
Mike [00:01:46]:
What about the cake? How great for the cake?
Phillip [00:01:48]:
Well, we got great dessert. We had great gummy. We have great drink right now. We had great soup, great bread.
Eldar [00:01:55]:
Yeah, life is pretty great.
Phillip [00:01:57]:
I think, like today, just alone.
Mike [00:01:58]:
Life is pretty great. Why are you not happy alone?
Eldar [00:02:04]:
He just said that life is good and you're naming all this stuff, but why are you not happy?
Phillip [00:02:08]:
Damn it. Right now I'm happy.
Eldar [00:02:09]:
There you go. Right? Yeah. No, but that's the thing. You had probably a good day, right?
Phillip [00:02:13]:
Very good day.
Eldar [00:02:14]:
You were successful in your endeavors.
Phillip [00:02:16]:
Endeavors were successful.
Eldar [00:02:17]:
The things that you wanted, you got. And things were rolling for you in general.
Phillip [00:02:22]:
I got everything I wanted today, right?
Eldar [00:02:23]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:02:24]:
You kind of are satisfied. So it's easy to be grateful in the moments like this, right?
Phillip [00:02:27]:
I totally didn't get to eat it. The dessert that he wanted.
Mike [00:02:29]:
Correct.
Eldar [00:02:34]:
And then there are times in our life where things are not going our way, when things are like, this is not good, this is not good.
Eldar [00:02:42]:
And we quickly forget that we actually.
Eldar [00:02:44]:
Have something that is good.
Eldar [00:02:45]:
Right.
Eldar [00:02:46]:
Our families, our health, for example.
Mike [00:02:48]:
Right.
Eldar [00:02:49]:
Our friends food.
Eldar [00:02:52]:
Right.
Eldar [00:02:53]:
Let's just say if it's just regular.
Eldar [00:02:55]:
Food, not always has to be the.
Eldar [00:02:57]:
Banana pudding that you ate earlier.
Eldar [00:02:59]:
Whoa.
Eldar [00:03:00]:
Or beautifully crafted chicken soup. Just regular food. Regular shit.
Phillip [00:03:05]:
But, like, last month, it was definitely easier for me to feel all the bad stuff. Things weren't going well.
Eldar [00:03:10]:
There you go.
Phillip [00:03:10]:
And another great month overall, didn't feel maybe great. It was physical, mental, overall. And I think it's definitely easier to then resort to, like, I don't have enough, or I'm coming from a place of lack. And obviously it's a lot easier when things are feeling good. And I think it's, I guess, coming to the point of not letting the outside things kind of dictate so I can be more consistent. So I'm not reliant solely on outside events, dictating consistency.
Mike [00:03:40]:
See, the thing is, you're going to say that what I'm hearing is that you're saying, like, oh, I don't know how this month was great and I'm grateful, and last month wasn't great, and I'm not grateful, and I don't know.
Phillip [00:03:50]:
So it's results driven.
Mike [00:03:52]:
Well, I think you may be not aware of what actually creates that greatness. And what's the formula?
Eldar [00:03:58]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:03:58]:
So it sounds like you're playing the lotto month to month, man.
Eldar [00:04:00]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:04:02]:
You might be playing the lotto, but it's okay because.
Eldar [00:04:05]:
No, it's okay. Of course.
Mike [00:04:06]:
That's why you came to the podcast.
Eldar [00:04:08]:
That's why you're in alderism camp. Alderism camp or kindergarten?
Eldar [00:04:11]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:04:12]:
Hi, babies.
Phillip [00:04:14]:
Hi. Yeah, hi, babies.
Mike [00:04:18]:
I think not knowing what actually creates you happiness and therefore probably makes you grateful for the day, for the month, or whatever the week you had is not slowing down enough to seeing, like, paying attention.
Eldar [00:04:32]:
Mike is very right. This is what I'm trying to get to.
Eldar [00:04:35]:
Right. Yeah.
Eldar [00:04:35]:
Philip, it's easy to be grateful today because everything lined up the way you want it to line up, but as soon as something goes out of whack, we quickly lose our head and be like, we can't find a way to be grateful. That's why the question is, why is that?
Phillip [00:04:48]:
What's the russian word you say sometimes? Blush? Blash.
Mike [00:04:56]:
The thing that comes to mind.
Eldar [00:04:59]:
It sounds like. It's almost like, duh, we can be grateful when it's nice. Yeah, go be grateful when shit is fucked up.
Mike [00:05:07]:
But I think this thing is. There's some kind of connection here. I haven't formulated it yet, but I think there's a connection between being in the present moment and when you're able to be grateful. And then when you're not in the present moment, you're going to be suffering because you're always living in the future and some future attachment.
Eldar [00:05:25]:
Oh, wow, that's very interesting. I think you might be onto something.
Mike [00:05:28]:
That's what I had thought about that.
Phillip [00:05:31]:
I think that would make sense for a result. It'd only be normal to think about what's going to happen when I get this thing, whatever it may be, sale, feeling, girl, money, whatever. So, yeah, I think you are then living as a result, I guess. Are you subjected to a future result?
Eldar [00:05:51]:
I agree. It sounds like you're attached, right to a thing, and if you're not getting it, then you're being a little prick. But then take this and apply this to what he said today. Hey, I had a good day today.
Eldar [00:06:04]:
And I'm grateful for the good day.
Eldar [00:06:07]:
How does your equation fall into this?
Mike [00:06:10]:
Well, because he was able to have success in all the things he was.
Eldar [00:06:14]:
Doing in the moment.
Mike [00:06:16]:
Now he's just recapping on the past. He may sit here for ten minutes, I'm not grateful right now anymore, or he might get home and have a stomachache. He's like, I'm not grateful for the day. The day fucked me up. I ate too much sweets or I'm.
Eldar [00:06:27]:
Too buzed up on coffee.
Mike [00:06:28]:
He's talking about the past, but he is talking about in the current sense, though.
Eldar [00:06:33]:
So would you say that.
Mike [00:06:34]:
Not reminiscing in a way, like, but.
Eldar [00:06:36]:
Okay, how about this then? Based on what you said in the moment and stuff, would you say that being grateful is the acknowledgment of the present moment, the truths of the present moment?
Eldar [00:06:46]:
I think being grateful is a byproduct of living in the moment, which is inherently good.
Eldar [00:06:53]:
I think so.
Mike [00:06:55]:
I think it is good.
Eldar [00:06:56]:
Okay. Wow. And I think you're also right. Not just good, it's also right.
Eldar [00:07:03]:
So you're saying that by being present is an antidote to being ungrateful.
Eldar [00:07:11]:
Correct.
Phillip [00:07:11]:
Being unpresent.
Mike [00:07:12]:
Being present is the antidote.
Phillip [00:07:14]:
Oh, antidote.
Eldar [00:07:15]:
Antidote to being ungrateful.
Mike [00:07:17]:
It is. I think it is. Because if you ever think about the future, you always think about some future event. So that means in this moment, you don't have something that you want. And if you're attached person which I think a lot of people are attached. You can't be happy because you're not having the thing that you want in the future. Tell me something that you would like to do.
Eldar [00:07:37]:
Right.
Mike [00:07:37]:
And if I was to tell you, like, hey, you can have this right away, who wouldn't be happy?
Eldar [00:07:42]:
Right? You're right.
Mike [00:07:43]:
But because you can't have it right.
Eldar [00:07:44]:
Away, a lot of people throw a fit.
Mike [00:07:47]:
Throw a fit. That's the way I think about it.
Phillip [00:07:51]:
Well, didn't we talk about this during process? Was we were like, I think I even asked a specific question. I said to say, you want something in the future, whatever that thing may be, to want it, and then basically allow it to go away and then focus on the process and trust that you're going to get that thing. But that thing cannot be thought about in a day to day basis because it's going to take you out of the process. And we talk about this with ego and pride, making you, I guess, fixate on that end, ungrateful for the moment. And that's being ungrateful.
Eldar [00:08:24]:
That's being ungrateful.
Eldar [00:08:25]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:08:25]:
I agree with you, Philip, that if you don't focus on the actual present moment, your mind's in the future, and when it's in the future, it's always desiring some.
Phillip [00:08:38]:
When you're like, I only had two sales last month. I was thinking about sales. Every call is thinking about the sale. Then that was deterring me from listening and doing all this stuff. Now I'm back to regular form where I'm feeling good. Now I'm putting all the new stuff into place, slowly but surely. But now I can focus on having better calls and not have the pressure of all trying to just get a sale.
Eldar [00:08:59]:
That's right.
Phillip [00:08:59]:
And now I'm enjoying myself overall better on a day to day basis.
Eldar [00:09:04]:
Yeah, and it's showing.
Phillip [00:09:05]:
Exactly.
Eldar [00:09:07]:
Did you guys just find the answer already? That's it.
Phillip [00:09:09]:
Yeah, we did it.
Mike [00:09:11]:
Well, I guess the reason is right, maybe we got part of the answer. I don't know if it's the whole thing, but the question is, why are people.
Eldar [00:09:20]:
I think it ties to your answer. And the reason why people can't be grateful or struggle with being grateful or summoning being grateful in order to alleviate themselves is because they don't stay in the present moment enough in order to then remember that they have that ability.
Eldar [00:09:36]:
In the first place. Yeah.
Phillip [00:09:38]:
So it's being aware of your awareness.
Eldar [00:09:41]:
Yeah, I guess.
Phillip [00:09:44]:
Or recognizing your awareness.
Eldar [00:09:45]:
Correct.
Mike [00:09:46]:
Life is lived moment to moment, but it's also lived in whole as well.
Eldar [00:09:49]:
Right.
Mike [00:09:50]:
Reflect on the whole. So I think part of it is learning to live in the moment.
Eldar [00:09:57]:
And.
Mike [00:09:57]:
Appreciate the good moments. I don't know if I think about now.
Eldar [00:10:02]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:10:02]:
There's ups and downs every day. Things go good, things are bad, little difficult situations.
Eldar [00:10:09]:
They happen.
Mike [00:10:09]:
It's part of life. But no matter the difficulties, I don't think.
Eldar [00:10:14]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:10:14]:
I guess the problem here is that people don't live in the moment.
Eldar [00:10:19]:
Right.
Mike [00:10:19]:
But also part of it, people don't know what to be actually grateful for, so their value system is fucked up.
Eldar [00:10:25]:
You know what I'm saying?
Eldar [00:10:26]:
Yeah, I do know what you're saying.
Mike [00:10:28]:
It's not just living in the moment, but it's also knowing what is actually valuable.
Eldar [00:10:31]:
See? Yeah.
Eldar [00:10:32]:
If you're valuing the present moment, you have the ability to tap in, to focus and enjoy the present moment.
Mike [00:10:39]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:10:40]:
Listening more, being attentive in general, being there, choosing.
Eldar [00:10:47]:
Right.
Eldar [00:10:47]:
Choosing what kind of response you want to have to a particular stimuli, a reaction.
Phillip [00:10:53]:
I think you're naturally more intelligent and just smarter. You can make smarter decisions.
Eldar [00:10:59]:
100%.
Eldar [00:11:00]:
Yeah. 100%. Yeah.
Phillip [00:11:02]:
If somebody says, oh, you're being airy, or like an airhead or something, you're literally in your brain, not in that moment, allowing all the words to go over your head, and then you're maybe saying something that has nothing to do with the conversation.
Eldar [00:11:14]:
Correct. Yeah.
Eldar [00:11:16]:
You're not really there.
Phillip [00:11:17]:
Right.
Eldar [00:11:18]:
Because the agenda is already tapped. You were tapping into some future agenda already that you're trying to fulfill, execute.
Phillip [00:11:25]:
And I think those kind of thoughts do serve you. If you do utilize those correctly. I don't think they're definitely, like a bad thing. I think if you are thinking about a future thing and you're able to shape it and visualize it, I think that's actually a skill. But I think what do you do as a result of that?
Eldar [00:11:43]:
You just hope that it's rooted in truth.
Phillip [00:11:45]:
You hope it's rooted in truth.
Eldar [00:11:46]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:11:46]:
And then also it doesn't consume your whole day. It's almost like something that maybe you wake up in the morning, you let it pop in your brain. It kind of reinvigorates that sense of whatever it is that maybe that feeling. So then you actually put that into your day. That's how I would see it being a positive thing.
Eldar [00:12:04]:
But imagine if it's not rooted in truth, it's rooted in insecurity. Yes. You're structuring your present moment in accordance of fulfilling a wrong thing to fulfill some kind of thing because you're insecure.
Phillip [00:12:20]:
The example that came to mind is you're missing everywhere. Yeah, I guess the way that you would present yourself, maybe physically, like the way you dress, maybe you feel like you have to do something a certain way. I think I can see like that as a result of it, too, where you have something that's not rooted in truth and then you have to act a certain way and it's not serving you.
Eldar [00:12:38]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:12:38]:
So I think a lot of people, I can definitely, I think a lot.
Eldar [00:12:42]:
Of people find themselves in that trap.
Eldar [00:12:43]:
Yeah, that makes sense.
Eldar [00:12:45]:
And now imagine if you're around people.
Eldar [00:12:47]:
That actually perpetually promote this type of.
Eldar [00:12:52]:
Environment, behavior and everything else. You guys are all then lost in.
Eldar [00:12:56]:
That moment and nobody really knows what.
Eldar [00:12:59]:
The fuck because you're like, okay, cool. You came in, you dressed up or whatever, and you thought that this was going to boost your confidence or whatever, and somebody's like, oh, that's out of style, bro. What are you doing? You know what I mean? Exactly. What are they promoting right here? They are telling you and dictating you that you're not dressing properly. You really like, oh, shit. Yeah, maybe not. Now you have insecurity. These people are coming out of the fact that they think they understand something, they know something, making you feel a certain type of way.
Eldar [00:13:26]:
It's just a perpetual cycle of just fucking nonsense. And there's nobody really say, who told you this.
Phillip [00:13:31]:
Think of how crazy it is. I always associate it to business, but with dressing because I think it is profound, like all the changes. But when I'm watching some of my favorite movies, like Wall street, like Michael Douglas from 1986, how Wall street was perceived of like a shirt and a tie with a briefcase and a limousine, you had a certain type of status and people looked at you differently and they respected you instantly. So then all of a sudden in these tech guys started to wear t shirts and they were like, yo, wearing a tie is actually stupid. If you wear a tie now, you're almost looked at like, what's the matter with you? You're like, what are you doing? Why are you so uptight? Think about that change in a matter of 2030 years. But what it means people would structure their whole life. Just think of what the tie industry.
Eldar [00:14:14]:
Is going through right now.
Phillip [00:14:16]:
Nobody's buying ties anymore. I think about those things and I think about how people present themselves. But the level of attachment, of importance and status with these things. Now you can just dress regular, like t shirt, anything. And you can be associated being very successful. Where before you would just be like a surfer guy or like some weird guy, or you couldn't wear this during the day. People are wearing jogger pants all day now, and nobody's looking at them like, oh, yeah, they're weird losers.
Eldar [00:14:42]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:14:43]:
So I think those kind of things are very interesting.
Eldar [00:14:48]:
But you see how those things can be very misleading.
Eldar [00:14:51]:
They could. They definitely could.
Phillip [00:14:53]:
So it's definitely easy to judge somebody based off of these things.
Eldar [00:14:55]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:14:56]:
And I understand how I can get caught up in something like this, and probably a lot of other people, too, where it's like, if I just dress the part, I don't have the mental, I don't have the beliefs, I don't have all the fundamental things correct that can help me through the process, but I can pretend to do these type of things.
Eldar [00:15:12]:
Would you say, then, fashion is the most misleading thing for humans?
Phillip [00:15:14]:
Oh, I think it's such an empty business. I tried to pursue this business when I was feeling very creative, and I thought it was something that I really wanted and I never could follow through with it. And I came to the conclusion that it's such a superficial, empty thing to do, like what the end result is. We're wearing clothes, and I'm really not as interested as I thought I would.
Mike [00:15:39]:
Well, I think the wearing closes symbolism for this individualism thing that people want.
Eldar [00:15:48]:
To.
Phillip [00:15:50]:
But it's status also.
Mike [00:15:52]:
You can be status, but it's also individualism.
Eldar [00:15:54]:
Well, they try to attach status to it. They try to attach a dude.
Phillip [00:15:57]:
Well, what about a watch? A watch 100% necklace your represents all that stuff. There's a certain type of thing that you can present based off of how you carry yourself with the actual clothes that you.
Mike [00:16:07]:
It's funny, but everybody's searching to be a part of something. You want to be like that. I'm not going to say what kind of watch, but that Watch crowd you want to be part of that suit crowd, the brand name. Everybody's searching for the same thing, essentially, but they keep looking for it in the wrong place.
Phillip [00:16:23]:
But it's a cheap way to go about it.
Eldar [00:16:25]:
How do we tie this back into not being able to be grateful? See what you guys have said that we're stripping away. We took a topic of fashion, and now we're stripping away and saying that the truth of the matter is you don't have to have any brands on you right now.
Eldar [00:16:39]:
Zero.
Eldar [00:16:39]:
And be okay because you can't be grateful for a fucking brand you wear.
Mike [00:16:43]:
There's no truth in it.
Eldar [00:16:45]:
There's nothing you understand, but unless you.
Eldar [00:16:49]:
Said to me that if I bought Tommy Hilfiger and Gucci, and as soon as I put on the shirt, it's going to make me feel a certain type of way consistently, then I'm like, okay, cool. There's something to this.
Phillip [00:17:00]:
I think that's short lived, though.
Eldar [00:17:01]:
No, I'm saying that it's not. It's impossible.
Tommy [00:17:04]:
He's talking about, like, a magic shirt.
Eldar [00:17:06]:
It's a magic shirt. I'm talking about a magic shirt. It doesn't exist. But the thing is, people, you might convince yourself for the moment that, oh, shit. This shirt is making me feel a certain type of way. It's impossible.
Mike [00:17:16]:
But the behaviors, I think, are very funny and interesting, because whatever the people are searching for in those expressions, they're searching for still the same thing, but they're just not able to find it. They want to connect. They want to be happy. They want. But it's looking in the wrong. But they don't understand that. They haven't had the time to think about, like, yo, they're not going there for the buying the clothes. They're buying the clothes is something that they think the clothes are going to give them.
Eldar [00:17:41]:
That's right.
Mike [00:17:41]:
And that thing that it's going to give them is rooted in truth. But because you're pursuing it through the wrong avenues, you're not able to attain that happiness that you think is going to bring you.
Eldar [00:17:51]:
Right.
Tommy [00:17:52]:
I have a kind of philosophy.
Mike [00:17:53]:
Hold on a second. Nobody's asking.
Eldar [00:17:54]:
Wait, why are you interrupting?
Phillip [00:17:56]:
I have a kind of philosophy about wearing clothes.
Eldar [00:18:02]:
Dennis.
Tommy [00:18:03]:
Dennis, can I just take that back?
Eldar [00:18:06]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:18:07]:
Yeah, hold on. Take it back.
Mike [00:18:08]:
Let me erase it.
Eldar [00:18:09]:
Pause it.
Tommy [00:18:11]:
I can't hear what you're hearing, but I trust you, my brother.
Phillip [00:18:15]:
You look like a Martian.
Eldar [00:18:18]:
Tom, apologize.
Mike [00:18:20]:
This is not a courteous kid at all.
Eldar [00:18:23]:
I got excited by that. Philip already tied this. Not being able to be grateful to arrogance and stuff like that. We're going to tie. We're going to talk about the arrogance that you wanted to talk about. You told me about a public announcement that you want to make after that last episode that we had because it was so profound. So I'm going to bring you there. Okay? That's going to silence you for the next 30 seconds.
Eldar [00:18:42]:
Okay, Mike? Continue.
Mike [00:18:44]:
Be honest, Tommy.
Phillip [00:18:45]:
Closure.
Tommy [00:18:45]:
My ideas are not my own.
Phillip [00:18:47]:
He was also something.
Mike [00:18:48]:
He completely threw me off.
Eldar [00:18:50]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:18:51]:
He just wasted a billion.
Eldar [00:18:52]:
He was just being a Magellan, trying to discover a fucking mental thing into his brain.
Tommy [00:18:57]:
Or pursuing through the wrong avenues this idea.
Eldar [00:18:59]:
Correct?
Mike [00:19:00]:
Yeah. I know.
Eldar [00:19:02]:
Go ahead.
Mike [00:19:02]:
Yeah, I think it's very funny. We are magnetized, drawn towards the same thing. Right?
Eldar [00:19:11]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:19:12]:
Ultimately, those clothes, they're not the clothes. It's what the clothes will bring them. Happiness, connection, sparking a conversation, emotion from other people. Then there's the status things, which are more fake. And I don't know. I'm not sure if it's all the people who buy these clothes. They want a status thing or they actually really want to connect because they're so lonely and deprived in their lives.
Eldar [00:19:34]:
Oh, okay.
Eldar [00:19:36]:
Wow.
Mike [00:19:37]:
I think it's a cheap avenue to get what they want, but that avenue.
Eldar [00:19:40]:
Will never get you.
Mike [00:19:42]:
You cannot do bad to get good.
Eldar [00:19:45]:
Right?
Mike [00:19:46]:
You need to do actually virtuous acts in order to extract the good.
Eldar [00:19:50]:
Agreed.
Mike [00:19:51]:
But I think the people, what they're trying to do is saying, like, hey, I don't know how to do a good thing, but I really want to connect with people. I want to be close to people.
Eldar [00:19:59]:
I wish. I wish that was the case. Mike, it's very naive, I think, of you to say that or to think that this is what people are feeling and thinking. I do feel like people that wear a certain type of watch, certain type of suit, everything else, I think probably more so. Like, I want to be respected, I want to have power, and I want to oppress people.
Mike [00:20:16]:
You think most people like that?
Eldar [00:20:17]:
No, I'm not saying that, but I think that the status clothes that we're talking about trying to talk about, like the Gucci, the Louis, or whatever, that's really expensive. I think there's a boss shit that you're trying to.
Mike [00:20:27]:
Well, yeah, the high level stuff, sure. But, like, expression of individuality through fashion.
Eldar [00:20:32]:
Sure. Coloring your hair and stuff like that, no problem.
Mike [00:20:35]:
Yeah, that's a different thing, I think. Yeah, probably. To me, it seems like I still think people are chasing the same thing, want to connect. They want to share themselves and open to others. And by maybe wearing certain outfits, you approach people. You say things that you feel like it's relatable. No, for sure. That's my thought.
Eldar [00:20:55]:
Yeah, but it's not only that.
Mike [00:20:56]:
It's not only that. There's the arrogant pricks like, tommy. We're not going to say anything else, just Tommy.
Eldar [00:21:03]:
We wouldn't have disparities that we do.
Eldar [00:21:05]:
Right.
Eldar [00:21:05]:
We have a shirt that you can buy for $10 right now in H and M or whatever, and then you can get the same shirt for $1,000.
Mike [00:21:11]:
Because it has a branding.
Eldar [00:21:13]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:21:13]:
If you have blue hair, I think you're trying to say something without saying it. If you're coming from an insecure place, like, to Mike's point, I think you are trying to connect with that crowd. If somebody else has purple hair, you.
Mike [00:21:25]:
Have blue hair, you're going to be like, nice hair.
Eldar [00:21:28]:
Okay, but why do we have to have a different style hair in the first place?
Eldar [00:21:32]:
Was a question.
Phillip [00:21:33]:
Is that still being different? Is there is a status in this and there is an ego.
Eldar [00:21:39]:
There you go.
Mike [00:21:40]:
But also, I think it's just people don't know how to tap in to the things that really do connect us.
Eldar [00:21:47]:
Sure.
Mike [00:21:47]:
That's the thing.
Eldar [00:21:48]:
I agree.
Mike [00:21:49]:
You're not going to come up to be like some person. Be like, hey, so what do you think about Socrates fucking statement?
Eldar [00:21:55]:
Exactly.
Mike [00:21:56]:
What the fuck?
Phillip [00:21:57]:
How much vulnerability does it take to do this? How about, does it take to do the virtuous act?
Eldar [00:22:01]:
How about this? Exactly right? And at the end of the day, the experiment, if you threw everybody in the same room right here, right? You're wearing Gucci, he's wearing h m. He's wearing Tommy hilfiger, I'm wearing nike or whatever. I have blue hair, he has red hair. You have no hair. He has, I don't know, a sick ass hat, a $10,000 hat on.
Eldar [00:22:21]:
Right? Yeah.
Eldar [00:22:21]:
Are we coming into the same room and I turn off the lights?
Eldar [00:22:25]:
Yeah. What happens?
Mike [00:22:27]:
Somebody farts first?
Eldar [00:22:29]:
What happens?
Eldar [00:22:30]:
What happens? We can't see each other. What can we do?
Eldar [00:22:34]:
Now?
Eldar [00:22:34]:
We have to hear each other.
Eldar [00:22:35]:
We have to actually listen to one another.
Eldar [00:22:38]:
Well, I think that everything disappears. Disappears for sure. And now what stays is character from your mouth, your words, your intentions, your values, beliefs, and everything else that's going to come out of your mouth. I'm not judging you by your hat anymore. I'm listening to your voice.
Eldar [00:22:53]:
Right.
Eldar [00:22:54]:
Close your eyes.
Eldar [00:22:54]:
Right know.
Eldar [00:22:56]:
And now we have to listen to one another.
Eldar [00:23:01]:
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
Phillip [00:23:02]:
I actually see people when I see. I never got into designer, like Gucci and stuff like this, but now when I see it, actually, there's some kind of feeling that I get of uneasiness where I'm almost uncomfortable. They think that they have to wear this in order to be the person that they think they have to be on a day to day basis. Now, I appreciate when somebody puts something together and they look good, but I'm talking about somebody who just has to wear a big name thing on it so everybody sees it.
Eldar [00:23:32]:
And I'm like.
Phillip [00:23:35]:
To me, it's like off putting.
Eldar [00:23:39]:
It's like, not classy.
Phillip [00:23:41]:
Yeah, that's the feeling that I get. There's a feeling of uneasiness where it's like, okay, maybe I can have empathy for you, that you have to do this, but it's not, to me, a privilege that you're getting, and you're not showing me anything positive.
Eldar [00:23:54]:
But the person who's doing that wants to lead with this.
Eldar [00:23:57]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:23:58]:
And the people that he wants to lead with this is not your people. It's somebody else.
Phillip [00:24:01]:
But it's an easy indicator for me to turn me off and realize that there's probably not much of a connection here.
Eldar [00:24:07]:
Yeah, sure.
Phillip [00:24:08]:
And it might sound silly because it's a superficial thing, but because it's attached to your character and how you basically present yourself, I think it actually is a strong indicator to see what type of person you are. If that's who you are, if that's what you do on a consistent basis, fine.
Eldar [00:24:22]:
But what if you are a youth coach and you need to wear that as a hook?
Mike [00:24:27]:
No shit.
Eldar [00:24:29]:
That's just a random example.
Phillip [00:24:30]:
So say, like, I can probably separate the two and say, like, I would.
Eldar [00:24:34]:
The reason why he's wearing that is to hook the young kids who are looking up to him in order for him to. Then I'm just giving you that.
Phillip [00:24:42]:
So the guy that you're describing is somebody that is very advanced, that is utilizing this as a tool to then almost put himself in a shit situation to get these people, but to then come out. So he's not doing it from a genuine place of who he actually is.
Eldar [00:24:59]:
It's almost a hook to make them listen.
Eldar [00:25:02]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:25:03]:
This guy's a very unique guy.
Eldar [00:25:04]:
Okay. Yeah. Very rare.
Mike [00:25:06]:
But it's a good.
Phillip [00:25:06]:
He's not walking around Garden State Plaza.
Eldar [00:25:08]:
Just, like, random, but he should be.
Mike [00:25:10]:
He should be.
Eldar [00:25:11]:
Okay, fine. What you use it for?
Phillip [00:25:13]:
I was thinking he's meditating right now in, like, an upstate New York, barefoot.
Mike [00:25:19]:
But the thing is, you got to go back in the cave, and you.
Eldar [00:25:24]:
Have to blend in. Right.
Eldar [00:25:26]:
You have to blend in.
Mike [00:25:27]:
Do you have to blend in or no?
Eldar [00:25:28]:
I mean, you made a statement.
Mike [00:25:30]:
Yeah, I thought about it. I think you have to blend in.
Eldar [00:25:34]:
Yeah, you're making a statement. So I'm asking, why do you have to blend in?
Mike [00:25:37]:
So that people will hear what you got to say.
Phillip [00:25:41]:
Otherwise, people don't like different. You're saying you put the.
Eldar [00:25:46]:
What happens? What happens if we see somebody different?
Mike [00:25:49]:
There's definitely many ways to skin the cat.
Eldar [00:25:51]:
For sure.
Mike [00:25:51]:
You can go about it many ways yeah. And I think this is one of those ways. I don't think it's a bad way to get the hook.
Eldar [00:25:58]:
Sure.
Eldar [00:25:58]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:25:59]:
No, I agree.
Mike [00:25:59]:
You got to speak the kids language.
Eldar [00:26:01]:
I agree. I agree with that sometimes, because if you come in.
Mike [00:26:05]:
Right, and you all of a sudden.
Eldar [00:26:06]:
It starts suit and tie, and they never seen a suit and tie.
Mike [00:26:09]:
Strange.
Eldar [00:26:09]:
That's strange.
Eldar [00:26:10]:
Weird.
Mike [00:26:11]:
I guess the relatability is a huge factor here.
Eldar [00:26:14]:
Relatability.
Mike [00:26:15]:
Whichever way you do it, I think.
Eldar [00:26:18]:
It'S a relatability thing, being objective.
Phillip [00:26:21]:
We're talking about coming from a place of wisdom and then creating a strategy that's different.
Eldar [00:26:28]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:26:28]:
I think what I was referring to is, I'm waking up. Most people are waking up, and they're like, okay, I'm going in my closet. What am I wearing? And as a result of this and how much time and effort and energy you're putting into this whole routine, I think there's a certain type of conclusion that you can draw as a result.
Eldar [00:26:44]:
Okay, very good. I agree with that. If you're standing there trying to really figure it out, like, oh, this not working. This not working. You're trying to make a turn.
Mike [00:26:52]:
Just.
Phillip [00:26:53]:
That's what I was referring to.
Mike [00:26:54]:
I just thought about two different. Two things, but they're similar. Professor Eckstein and Professor Lee's.
Eldar [00:27:01]:
That's right.
Mike [00:27:03]:
Two professors of philosophy. And I remember that story that you kind of ran into, and there was a professor that taught at Bergen and Elder took his class, and I think I also took it or maybe sat in.
Eldar [00:27:17]:
Yeah, you definitely sat in on it.
Mike [00:27:18]:
I definitely sat in philosophy. He's in philosophy. And after the class, elder saw him somewhere smoking stokes.
Eldar [00:27:25]:
Right.
Eldar [00:27:25]:
Smoking cigarettes.
Mike [00:27:26]:
Smoking cigarettes. I was like, yo, what the hell?
Eldar [00:27:28]:
During the break.
Mike [00:27:29]:
During the break, yeah.
Eldar [00:27:31]:
Because what was happening was. Right. What I was listening to in a speech that he was giving about the class, it was so profound. I was like, wow. And at the time, obviously, I wasn't. My whole health kick, like, cigarettes bad. This bad. This bad.
Eldar [00:27:45]:
Right. So I was like, wait a second. How does he know this stuff? And he's doing this stuff.
Eldar [00:27:49]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:27:50]:
So, to me, the two didn't click.
Mike [00:27:51]:
Didn't click, right? Yeah. And then how did you. Were you able to relate to Eckstein so much? What was the relatability there that you like? I like this guy. Like, what do you have to say?
Eldar [00:28:04]:
I'm going to listen to him.
Eldar [00:28:06]:
I think he came into my life, or I came into his at the right time.
Mike [00:28:09]:
At the right time. So that was the time I was.
Eldar [00:28:11]:
Receptive to be able to listen to the message, because, like I said, when I looked around the class, most people were bored. Most people were sleeping, doodling, right. And I'm over there like, holy shit. This guy. What's coming out of his mouth is fucking gold. How can nobody pay attention listening to the stuff? It's unbelievable. He was saving me in that moment because I'm confused, right? I'm puzzled about life. I don't know what my direction is, and this guy's giving me the answers and the keys to it.
Eldar [00:28:41]:
I was like, holy shit.
Mike [00:28:42]:
But do you think there was a sense of relatability to him, like the stuff that he was saying?
Eldar [00:28:47]:
No, I didn't relate to him at all.
Mike [00:28:49]:
Did you relate to the stuff that.
Eldar [00:28:51]:
He was saying, though?
Eldar [00:28:52]:
No.
Phillip [00:28:53]:
Were you ever.
Eldar [00:28:53]:
It was brand new philosophy before. No.
Phillip [00:28:57]:
What did he say? Do you remember anything that he said? Would you be able to paraphrase it?
Eldar [00:29:01]:
Well, generally, it was philosophy one on one. It was very introduction to philosophy and reason.
Eldar [00:29:07]:
Right?
Eldar [00:29:08]:
So he introduced you philosophers like socrates and stuff like that, and some of the things that they thought about and why they thought about it. Just general question as to, like, what the fuck is life? Why is life? What kind of life can we build for ourselves and how do we live a good life? And at the time when, you know, that age, I was like, yo, what's happening here? I'm looking to be happier because I wasn't happy with my life and where I was going. So these guys, the philosophers at the time that he was introducing, were actually thinking about that stuff. So I was relating to those philosophers as, like, saying, what the fuck people thought. This way, I'm okay. I'm not an abnormal.
Mike [00:29:43]:
Nothing is weird in your life that you're doing normal shit that people go through.
Eldar [00:29:47]:
That's right.
Mike [00:29:48]:
So I think you related to those things that they said. But he was just the person that kind of delivered that, delivering the message.
Eldar [00:29:55]:
But in certain things, the way he acted, even I was like, wait a second. Why is he doing this? Why is he doing that? Right. The examples of compassion, the examples of patience that I saw. And I was like, yo, this guy's next level. And I was really taken aback by it. So when I came to him and challenged him, I was like, why do you treat these people like this? Like this? Why are you teaching in Bergen? You could teach in Harvard. You know what I mean? And the answers that he gave me, I was, wow. Like, it's what was profound.
Mike [00:30:19]:
That's what I'm saying he was my savior.
Eldar [00:30:21]:
So what type of answers?
Phillip [00:30:22]:
Like, when you asked him about smoking, or do you remember what type of.
Eldar [00:30:26]:
Answers that he gave you?
Mike [00:30:29]:
The Harvard they needed me the most here.
Eldar [00:30:33]:
Those kids will be okay. When I asked them, like, hey, you should be teaching at Harvard, he said, no, those kids going to be all right. It's these kids, the inner city kids, the ones that can't afford that kind of education and stuff like that. They're already surrounded by the top notch professors and stuff like that.
Phillip [00:30:48]:
So he took it as almost like a fatherly, like a parental type thing where he wanted to oversee these people.
Eldar [00:30:56]:
And no, I think it was more compassionate.
Mike [00:30:59]:
Those kids.
Eldar [00:31:03]:
They needed more.
Mike [00:31:04]:
The kids who go to Harvard, even if they don't figure life out, they're going to be all right because they have families and they're also in Harvard. So those are probably a high level of professor. But I think more of it was a cool answer.
Eldar [00:31:14]:
Yeah, I like that.
Eldar [00:31:15]:
I mean, one time I told you, I have another one, very specific. It's very vivid to me. Never left me was when the kid was sleeping next to me. And I'm sitting like this, glued to every word he's saying. And I'm reaching over to the kid who's sleeping, and I'm like, yo, wake up. Trying to wake him up to he's. And next thing's like, hey, don't touch him out. I'll leave him alone.
Eldar [00:31:35]:
You know what I mean? And I didn't interrupt the class, but at the end of the class, I'm like, hey, Paul, why did you not let me wake him up? Because he's missing out fucking gold. He goes, he wouldn't hear me anyway if he was awake.
Eldar [00:31:46]:
I'm like, why not?
Eldar [00:31:47]:
He goes, you are receptive right now. Your ears are open. You're receptive. You can hear this and take in.
Eldar [00:31:53]:
He needs sleep. He's sleep deprived.
Eldar [00:31:56]:
And I was like, holy shit, he's fucking right. This kid needs sleep.
Eldar [00:32:01]:
He can't even take in philosophy yet.
Eldar [00:32:03]:
Yeah, he needs a much more basic need.
Eldar [00:32:05]:
That's wild.
Eldar [00:32:06]:
And I was like, yo, that's compassion, acceptance, patience. That's everything. In one little example that I was.
Eldar [00:32:14]:
Like, I was judging this kid, I'm.
Eldar [00:32:17]:
Like, you're fucking idiot.
Phillip [00:32:18]:
Wake up.
Eldar [00:32:19]:
What's the matter with you, bro? This motherfucker has given out free money, you know what I mean? The key to life. And he's sleeping, and Paul's like, yo, he don't get it. He's not ready yet one day, maybe he'll wake up. Right now he needs to sleep. And I was like, what the fuck?
Eldar [00:32:36]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:32:37]:
And that's why that passed on. The way I try to deal with some of these things, too, where if.
Eldar [00:32:42]:
People want to do what they need.
Eldar [00:32:43]:
To do, they have to do it because they have their own reasons to it. Everybody has their own level of education, development, and stage of development.
Eldar [00:32:51]:
That's theirs.
Phillip [00:32:52]:
I like his answers. And then last one. What do you say about smoking?
Eldar [00:32:55]:
Smoking was a different guy.
Phillip [00:32:56]:
Different guy.
Eldar [00:32:57]:
Okay.
Eldar [00:32:57]:
And it was probably. I don't remember this one.
Mike [00:32:59]:
I don't know if you ever asked him about it.
Eldar [00:33:00]:
Did you?
Eldar [00:33:00]:
I think I just judged him.
Mike [00:33:02]:
I think we judged him.
Eldar [00:33:03]:
But then afterwards, yeah, I separated people.
Eldar [00:33:08]:
At the time, when I was younger, I separated people who did philosophy to these righteous, Jesus Christ type of people. You know what I mean? I needed to see them that. But then I realized that that's not the answer at all. It doesn't have to be separate.
Eldar [00:33:22]:
Right?
Mike [00:33:23]:
Dennis, if you're listening now, this is.
Eldar [00:33:24]:
Important because he always like, yo, you.
Mike [00:33:27]:
Philosophy guy, you can't be doing this, know, you think he's ripe for this?
Eldar [00:33:33]:
Huh?
Eldar [00:33:33]:
You think he's ripe to hearing this stuff now?
Mike [00:33:35]:
No, I don't think so.
Eldar [00:33:36]:
He's still got a big. Yeah.
Eldar [00:33:39]:
So I think there's no separation between the two.
Eldar [00:33:43]:
You know what I mean?
Eldar [00:33:44]:
I don't think him smoking is defining his character.
Eldar [00:33:47]:
You know what I'm saying?
Eldar [00:33:48]:
That. Sure, maybe he has a bad habit, maybe he has an addiction or whatever, but it doesn't define the way he carries himself.
Eldar [00:33:53]:
You know what I mean?
Eldar [00:33:54]:
He's not out there promoting smoking. He just has something that he does. You know what I'm saying?
Mike [00:33:58]:
Get pleasure from it.
Eldar [00:33:59]:
He gets pleasure from it. You know what I mean? He enjoys it. He likes it. Very calm guy, very nice guy.
Eldar [00:34:03]:
But he just happens to smoke.
Eldar [00:34:06]:
Why would I stop being receptive to his message just because he smokes? It's ridiculous.
Mike [00:34:11]:
Yeah, it's a stupid.
Eldar [00:34:13]:
You know what I mean?
Mike [00:34:14]:
Yeah, you shouldn't at least.
Eldar [00:34:16]:
No, you shouldn't.
Eldar [00:34:18]:
You shouldn't rule somebody out.
Eldar [00:34:20]:
So how do we tie all this to being grateful, to have the ability?
Phillip [00:34:22]:
See, that's a tricky example. Because I think then it almost like, if that example is true, then we're going to go back to the example of then seeing somebody in a Gucci or Louis Vuitton shirt and saying, like, hey, I should just accept this person and not pre judge them.
Eldar [00:34:39]:
Well, I think that it's always better to be able to find out the story first and then make your judgment call.
Eldar [00:34:46]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:34:47]:
If you don't know. To make a judgment call is to.
Eldar [00:34:51]:
Hold yourself away from an experience.
Eldar [00:34:55]:
A good experience. Potentially, you might have a good experience or encounter. You know what I mean?
Eldar [00:35:00]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:35:00]:
So you're only holding yourself back. You're not holding the other person back. They don't even know that you're thinking these thoughts.
Eldar [00:35:07]:
Right.
Eldar [00:35:07]:
These judgmental thoughts or whatever. But that person might actually have some substance.
Mike [00:35:11]:
At the end of the day, that person is suffering for you to say, like, well, because you're wearing this stuff, I don't want to help you on a struggle that you might be going through.
Eldar [00:35:20]:
If he's suffering.
Mike [00:35:22]:
Well, I think if he's suffering, but if we're saying that people are doing this out of status, out of ego, out of power, out of control, it sounds like suffering to know.
Eldar [00:35:33]:
I came to e scene, too once. I'm like, hey, I'm shopping for a car. Once he goes, I'm like, what do you drive? He's like, oh, I just drive this Hyundai sonata or whatever. Hyundai small shit, like something Elantra or something like that. I'm like, is that good? He's like, I don't care about that. I have no time to think about it. I just need to get from a to b elder. At the time, I also didn't understand that.
Eldar [00:35:52]:
What do you mean by that?
Eldar [00:35:53]:
You know what I mean?
Eldar [00:35:54]:
Just to get from a to b. That's it. Yeah. I respect that shit like that.
Eldar [00:36:00]:
You know what I mean? It's very profound. Like, he's got no time for anything else. He just wants to get a through b as long as it's reliable enough.
Eldar [00:36:06]:
For him to get there.
Eldar [00:36:08]:
That's how he moved.
Mike [00:36:10]:
How you tie it to gratitude.
Eldar [00:36:12]:
Yeah, I think that there is a.
Eldar [00:36:16]:
Way to tie it, and we should tie it, and then we should talk.
Eldar [00:36:20]:
About the arrogance thing as well, because I think it's all tied together. I think the inability to be grateful is also closely tied to being arrogant.
Phillip [00:36:29]:
Should we eat bread pudding before we do?
Eldar [00:36:31]:
Oh, I think Tommy should have some. Yes.
Phillip [00:36:35]:
Should we do four plates?
Eldar [00:36:38]:
I'm good. Whoa, whoa. What did you say?
Eldar [00:36:42]:
Yeah, there's a really good bread pudding, banana bread pudding that Catherine made.
Phillip [00:36:47]:
Tommy is top tier, bro.
Eldar [00:36:48]:
Top tier shit. You want to have it?
Eldar [00:36:50]:
Excellent.
Eldar [00:36:50]:
Yeah, he'd like some.
Mike [00:36:51]:
You guys want intermission?
Eldar [00:36:52]:
We're just like, go ahead, Tommy. You're going to have some?
Phillip [00:36:54]:
Yeah, buzed up.
Eldar [00:36:55]:
Please give him a good portion, please.
Mike [00:36:57]:
You want some?
Eldar [00:36:58]:
I'm good.
Mike [00:36:58]:
Of course he's going to want me to cut the.
Eldar [00:37:01]:
No, that doesn't go together.
Phillip [00:37:03]:
Come on, man.
Mike [00:37:05]:
No, I'm good. Not interested.
Eldar [00:37:10]:
So, Mike.
Mike [00:37:11]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:37:12]:
How do we tie this?
Eldar [00:37:13]:
How do we tie all the shit that we just talked about to inability.
Mike [00:37:16]:
Gratitude, the opposite of arrogance. Are the opposites or no?
Eldar [00:37:20]:
Or no? I don't think so.
Eldar [00:37:22]:
I think two can live together.
Eldar [00:37:23]:
They can live together.
Eldar [00:37:24]:
I think two can live together in.
Eldar [00:37:26]:
Different moments within us.
Eldar [00:37:28]:
Because we're constantly jumping from moment to moment as humans.
Eldar [00:37:30]:
Right?
Eldar [00:37:31]:
Like you said.
Eldar [00:37:31]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:37:32]:
This moment is good, this moment is bad, this moment is grateful, this moment.
Eldar [00:37:35]:
Is arrogant and stuff like that.
Eldar [00:37:37]:
So I think they can coexist.
Tommy [00:37:38]:
There's a fine line for sure, I think. Because related to what I was going to say about feeling like maybe I.
Eldar [00:37:45]:
Was arrogant and arrogant, we showed, I.
Eldar [00:37:48]:
Think that these things, a lot of.
Eldar [00:37:51]:
Things can hold us hostage. Maybe sometimes from seeing that it is not those things that provide us peace and goodness and happiness and stuff, right. It's not the things, it's the ability to be in the present moment, like you said. So those things are really more so irrelevant.
Eldar [00:38:10]:
Right? Like you said, I don't care what.
Eldar [00:38:12]:
Kind of car I drive, I just want to get to a, to b, because I have to get somewhere. And there's reasons why he wants to get somewhere.
Eldar [00:38:19]:
Right.
Eldar [00:38:20]:
And it's not the car you drive, how you get there, right. He wants to get there because he.
Eldar [00:38:26]:
Has bigger reasons than the thing that he's driving.
Eldar [00:38:29]:
Don't care about.
Mike [00:38:30]:
Yeah, I think so.
Eldar [00:38:33]:
Being grateful for a very simple stuff is easy. Should be easy and should hold us.
Tommy [00:38:48]:
Should help us. Thank you, Phil.
Eldar [00:38:49]:
Appreciate it.
Tommy [00:38:51]:
Whoa.
Mike [00:38:52]:
I think. I don't know how to explain it. Maybe you can help me. But I have the idea in my head that gratefulness is a combination of a lot of virtues, a lot of values. So in order to practice being grateful, you need to have, like. I guess let's just say there's levels to it, right?
Eldar [00:39:15]:
Okay.
Mike [00:39:15]:
First, like a baseline, you need to be kind, compassionate. Okay.
Eldar [00:39:24]:
In order to practice gratefulness.
Eldar [00:39:26]:
Wow.
Mike [00:39:27]:
I guess there's levels, right? Level one is like you have like a little foundation and then level two is being grateful.
Eldar [00:39:33]:
Right.
Mike [00:39:33]:
Being selfless, helping others.
Eldar [00:39:35]:
Right?
Eldar [00:39:35]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:39:36]:
There's like advanced. And there's basic algebra and advanced algebra or whatever it is. And I think this might be when you're already practicing different virtues, then you.
Eldar [00:39:48]:
Can extract into grave for the harder moment, I think. So that's interesting. Tara, can you. Using ice.
Eldar [00:39:54]:
Right.
Eldar [00:39:54]:
Can you leave some.
Mike [00:39:55]:
Couple of pieces of ice into my.
Eldar [00:39:58]:
Yeah, if you could leave a couple of pieces of ice right in my thing, that'll be great. I want to keep it cold.
Mike [00:40:03]:
Pudding 100. The biggest ever.
Phillip [00:40:05]:
I think it's like the most advanced calculation that you can have.
Eldar [00:40:08]:
Yeah. This.
Eldar [00:40:09]:
How good is that?
Phillip [00:40:10]:
This is number one.
Mike [00:40:11]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:40:12]:
Tom, did you like it?
Tommy [00:40:14]:
It's very good.
Eldar [00:40:16]:
No, nothing.
Eldar [00:40:17]:
He's okay.
Mike [00:40:17]:
He's Mormon.
Eldar [00:40:18]:
Excellent.
Phillip [00:40:19]:
Because you get the banana that comes in with the vanilla wafer combination. But it's not ice cream and it's not whipped cream. It's like right in that kind of like middle.
Eldar [00:40:26]:
But it's cold.
Phillip [00:40:27]:
It's cold. Yeah. The cream. The cream texture is insane. But it's so fresh, though. Yeah, it's top. And the banana is like Kat was saying, it needs to be a ripe banana.
Eldar [00:40:40]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:40:41]:
Mike, what are some combinations of things that we need to accomplish in order to tap into being grateful? Practice gratefulness.
Mike [00:40:49]:
Yeah. What I said earlier.
Eldar [00:40:51]:
You said it really?
Mike [00:40:51]:
No, no, earlier.
Eldar [00:40:52]:
Uh huh.
Mike [00:40:53]:
Gratefulness is a byproduct.
Eldar [00:40:55]:
Okay.
Mike [00:40:56]:
It's a result of a lot of stuff.
Eldar [00:40:58]:
Wow.
Mike [00:40:58]:
I don't think. You don't just say, you know what? I'm going to be grateful.
Eldar [00:41:02]:
That is interesting.
Mike [00:41:04]:
It's just something that happens when you live in a virtuous life and you learn.
Eldar [00:41:08]:
Wow.
Mike [00:41:10]:
It comes together.
Eldar [00:41:11]:
That is very interesting.
Mike [00:41:14]:
You need to lose a lot in.
Eldar [00:41:16]:
Life to be grateful.
Mike [00:41:18]:
Somebody in the bleachers was saying.
Eldar [00:41:22]:
I.
Eldar [00:41:22]:
Would love for you to expand on that. I would love for you to expand on that, Tara.
Eldar [00:41:28]:
Thank you. Yeah.
Eldar [00:41:29]:
What you just said. Yeah.
Mike [00:41:31]:
Like you said, I'll take some ice cubes too, please. Yeah.
Tommy [00:41:40]:
I think the idea.
Mike [00:41:41]:
Hold on 1 second. Where are your man?
Phillip [00:41:45]:
I heard silence.
Eldar [00:41:46]:
I jumped it up.
Phillip [00:41:47]:
Silence.
Eldar [00:41:47]:
You really want to get kicked out today?
Eldar [00:41:50]:
Oh, you want an answer for me? I'm sorry.
Mike [00:41:51]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:41:55]:
When you don't have anything there and you lose, whether it's money, materialistic things, when you lose it once you get it back, that gives you that feeling of gratefulness, too. You have to hit kind of like rock bottom in order to understand the full feeling.
Eldar [00:42:13]:
Why do you have to hit rock bottom in order to be able to appreciate things that you used to have?
Phillip [00:42:17]:
I have a slot.
Eldar [00:42:18]:
1 second. Hold it.
Eldar [00:42:21]:
For the full 100% feeling of gratefulness.
Eldar [00:42:25]:
Would you say that then the person that's falling needed to fall then in order to be able to appreciate the.
Eldar [00:42:30]:
Things that he used to have?
Eldar [00:42:32]:
And why would somebody need to fall.
Eldar [00:42:35]:
Why?
Mike [00:42:38]:
Come on, Tara, give us a good answer, though.
Eldar [00:42:42]:
Thank you so much. You know where I'm going with this?
Phillip [00:42:45]:
Well, I have a thought on it.
Eldar [00:42:46]:
Okay, fine.
Phillip [00:42:47]:
So I'm thinking that if this person is self generating, whatever this thing is, and then coming to this conclusion, or if they're just getting given this thing, I think the easiest example is saying, like, somebody just gets an inheritance of like $10 million, okay? And then they buy a house with it. Then you have another example of somebody who worked their whole life, they started a company, they did this whole thing, and they bought the house. What type of journey and what type of person do you think the person that inherited the money bought the house and then associates with that house? Whatever they call it, that house is just like a thing. The house for that other guy is like a symbol of the journey that he took and then who he became as a result of it. I think this is two totally different things. So I think the person who gets the house loses it, has to go all the way back down to zero and then build up to whatever the other guy.
Eldar [00:43:34]:
But you see what you're saying, that's different. Yes. You're describing what she said. She said you need to lose everything in order to appreciate the stuff that.
Eldar [00:43:41]:
You used to have.
Eldar [00:43:43]:
Okay. So that almost says that you weren't deservant of the stuff in the first.
Phillip [00:43:48]:
Place or you didn't generate it on your own.
Eldar [00:43:50]:
That's what I'm saying.
Eldar [00:43:51]:
There you go.
Eldar [00:43:53]:
You didn't have the abilities in order to appreciate things for what they are.
Phillip [00:43:56]:
That's it too. Having the ability to do it, trusting that you are good enough and that you actually have the skills to do these.
Eldar [00:44:02]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:44:03]:
Why wouldn't somebody have the ability to.
Eldar [00:44:06]:
Be able to appreciate the simpler things in life? They're shut off.
Tommy [00:44:11]:
We live in a transactional, complicated world.
Eldar [00:44:14]:
Okay, Tom, I think we have to go back to arrogance.
Eldar [00:44:18]:
Oh, yeah.
Eldar [00:44:19]:
We didn't talk about it yet.
Eldar [00:44:21]:
That's my answer. Arrogance.
Eldar [00:44:23]:
Why can't we appreciate simple things in life?
Eldar [00:44:27]:
Being too proud, living in the past. We feel like we deserve more inflated sense of self. Yeah.
Phillip [00:44:36]:
Attachment to things, the end result, not allowing the process to shine.
Eldar [00:44:41]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:44:41]:
All tied back to again, arrogance. Tom, let's talk about it. Tom, you wanted to talk about it. Let me read your message. You know what I mean? After you fought tooth and nail. You know what, Tom?
Eldar [00:44:51]:
I can appreciate what you did.
Eldar [00:44:53]:
You came here, you pressed myself to the max. No, hold on 1 second. And now learn something.
Eldar [00:44:57]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:44:58]:
You spewed absolutely nothing.
Tommy [00:45:00]:
That's not true.
Eldar [00:45:01]:
Last time, okay? You fought tooth and nail, try to defend you.
Phillip [00:45:03]:
Arrogant.
Tommy [00:45:03]:
That is true.
Eldar [00:45:04]:
Then you went home, okay? Then you went home, you thought about it, and you're like, wait a second. Something clicked, and then you sent me this.
Tommy [00:45:12]:
Something did click, but for a good reason. I had a kind of insight.
Eldar [00:45:16]:
You said this, Tom, an epiphany. Yeah, you did have an epiphany. You said, plus a public apology for arrogance. So you want to do a public apology for your arrogance?
Tommy [00:45:26]:
You're aware of how I process things, right?
Eldar [00:45:28]:
No, Tom, I don't know you well enough. Of course I do. Tom, it takes you about six to eight months just to understand what was said, and then in order to comprehend it, it takes about another year or two to comprehend it. And then year three to five. No, you will act up. That's not what I'm talking about.
Phillip [00:45:43]:
Maybe this turnaround time is most people.
Eldar [00:45:47]:
Do this in the whole lifetime. What I just explained, I'm talking about my own character.
Tommy [00:45:50]:
This is, that ties perfectly into what? The differences. Your inability to learn and being grateful.
Eldar [00:45:55]:
Go ahead, you have the floor.
Tommy [00:45:59]:
Somewhere in between arrogance and grateful, being grateful. Somewhere in between arrogance and being grateful is possibly a creature like me who's confused, who's looking for life direction, looking for purpose. And in trying to be grateful, falls in the wrong direction. Like I fall in the wrong direction sometimes of being grateful.
Eldar [00:46:27]:
Thinking that it's all about, you know.
Tommy [00:46:38]:
So that's kind of where I make this mistake. I think I need to better myself. And I'm surrounded by good people who also see it that way.
Eldar [00:46:47]:
Tom, why do you think you have this burden? Why do you carry this burden?
Tommy [00:46:51]:
Well, in truth, I didn't really have a lot of friends earlier in my life.
Eldar [00:46:56]:
Why do you think that is?
Tommy [00:46:57]:
Actually cared? Yeah, because we were delinquents, we were misfits. We did drugs, we drank. We cared solely about material things, and we didn't have deeper things. We didn't share, actually, like an emotional connection with each other, at least not a very deep one, more of like a surface level fake one. And that's kind of what I was like. I was just kind of a superficial, lost kid. And I think that finding friends is like the inheritance of getting rich, you know?
Eldar [00:47:36]:
Wow. Whoa.
Eldar [00:47:37]:
Yo, yo, 1 second. Say that again because that's going on the fucking t shirt.
Mike [00:47:42]:
You want to.
Eldar [00:47:43]:
Wow.
Mike [00:47:44]:
So, yo, he just did a cold plunge.
Eldar [00:47:46]:
Yo, the sentence. Tom has never been on the fucking wall of t shirts. He just fucking made it.
Phillip [00:47:51]:
Did he just go vulnerable and then.
Eldar [00:47:53]:
Into a t shirt and to wisdom.
Eldar [00:47:55]:
In a t shirt.
Eldar [00:47:56]:
We're going to make a t shirt.
Eldar [00:47:57]:
Out of this merch that's going to be.
Eldar [00:48:00]:
Tom's going to get royalty.
Mike [00:48:01]:
Have his own shirt.
Eldar [00:48:02]:
Tom's going to have royalty.
Phillip [00:48:03]:
So where I was going with the beginning.
Eldar [00:48:05]:
Wait a second. He has to repeat this.
Phillip [00:48:06]:
Yeah, he does.
Eldar [00:48:07]:
Tom.
Tommy [00:48:07]:
No, you're going to have to rewind it because I'm not going into the ripple. Friendship of this inheritance that I've said something wise, right?
Mike [00:48:16]:
Friendship is the inheritance of getting rich.
Tommy [00:48:19]:
Being rich. Inheritance of being rich.
Eldar [00:48:22]:
Holy shit.
Eldar [00:48:25]:
You fucking made it.
Phillip [00:48:26]:
You're a fucking fair.
Mike [00:48:27]:
Finally cracked it.
Eldar [00:48:28]:
Tom.
Eldar [00:48:29]:
Not a lot of people make this fucking list.
Eldar [00:48:31]:
Look at this.
Eldar [00:48:32]:
And you never made this list. You've been with us for the last.
Tommy [00:48:35]:
You saved me now because I was just about to go into a whole lot of posturing and stuff. Just trying to make myself look impressive.
Eldar [00:48:41]:
All right, finish your thing because Philip.
Eldar [00:48:43]:
Has one in the barrel.
Phillip [00:48:44]:
Well, I was going to say something from his beginning statement, but it came into something profound and nice. Yeah, but he was starting off in the beginning. And I think it was something along the lines of, like, he was toeing the line between this arrogance and grateful. And I was saying there was a danger in that because you're not taking accountability for either one. You're kind of just like allowing yourself to be on this place where you're just floating aimlessly in the middle where you are actually being arrogant. And if you are being arrogant and it's agreed upon and you're able to accept that, I think you're able to then analyze it correctly. I think if you're saying that, oh, I am floating here and I'm not arrogant and I'm not grateful. I'm just trying to figure it out.
Phillip [00:49:28]:
I think if you don't recognize you are being arrogant in those moments, I think it's going to allow you to float in that, like, abyss for just forever. Not have direction. Not have direction. But I think then you started to talk and say, like, a profound thing, and you said something, I think, from a place of vulnerability, which I think, whether you knew it or not, were in that moment accepting that you were arrogant.
Eldar [00:49:52]:
Does that make sense?
Phillip [00:49:53]:
Because I don't think he would have been able to say what he said unless he admitted that he was arrogant in that moment.
Eldar [00:49:57]:
Who said that?
Phillip [00:49:58]:
That guy was a guy who came from a place of vulnerability and acceptance.
Eldar [00:50:02]:
Tom, he's saying right now to do more of that. He's giving you the fucking.
Tommy [00:50:07]:
I totally get it.
Eldar [00:50:07]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:50:08]:
He's giving you your flowers.
Eldar [00:50:09]:
Wow.
Phillip [00:50:10]:
He's a flower boy.
Eldar [00:50:11]:
Tom, you rarely get this. Yeah.
Eldar [00:50:14]:
If this is not a breakthrough, I don't know what is.
Phillip [00:50:16]:
I think this is number one breakthrough for Tommy in the podcast since I've been here.
Eldar [00:50:19]:
I would agree.
Mike [00:50:20]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:50:20]:
But I'll be honest with you. He's going to forget it. He's a ten second Tom. Guys, he forgets everything. Let's just put a disclaimer there. Everything that's been said every 10 seconds.
Eldar [00:50:27]:
Oh, wow. Okay.
Tommy [00:50:28]:
No, I'll tell you what it is.
Phillip [00:50:29]:
But profound is profound.
Eldar [00:50:30]:
Yeah, profound is profound. So there was a moment.
Tommy [00:50:33]:
I value placing my new self.
Eldar [00:50:34]:
Have you ever seen the noble self? He kept making her remember. We'll make you remember again.
Eldar [00:50:39]:
Yeah.
Phillip [00:50:39]:
No, what I'm saying is.
Eldar [00:50:46]:
Before you say this, you're about to shoot yourself in the foot.
Tommy [00:50:48]:
No, I know what I'm saying.
Eldar [00:50:50]:
Okay, cool.
Tommy [00:50:51]:
In other words, what I'm trying to say is I'm a little cocky without admitting, like, I'm a little arrogant.
Eldar [00:50:59]:
Wow, that's true.
Tommy [00:51:00]:
And you know what? That confirms what Phil is actually now just lighting up, hearing from my own mouth. Because for him, because you confronted me with that the other day, and I was like, how could it possibly be that I have this untold story and that I have creative yearnings, that I want to bring them to light and I want to work creatively, that that makes me an arrogant person? But that wasn't the point. The point is that. Does that happen often? Someone just.
Mike [00:51:40]:
You have to use the pisser.
Tommy [00:51:42]:
Yeah, part of it, yeah. What is the point in this situation? I think the point is really that.
Phillip [00:51:58]:
You recognize something different that you wouldn't normally.
Tommy [00:52:01]:
Yeah, exactly. I recognize that vulnerability is about knowing the good and the bad. That's essentially what I'm saying. In short, very brief here.
Eldar [00:52:12]:
I can go into it all, but.
Tommy [00:52:14]:
I'm talking about how I kind of line up with people's opinions. And this episode, I think, just honestly unlocks something.
Phillip [00:52:24]:
So from the last podcast, I remember that I was talking to you, and then you didn't agree with me, and then you didn't think that anybody else also had the same opinion.
Tommy [00:52:32]:
I didn't agree because I want to see things on my own terms. I want to work in my own way, and I don't want to have rules imposed on me. But I wasn't prepared to say that because in the heat of things, I felt like that was an attack on my character, in a way. And in a way, I want to preserve that. I want to preserve this dream of being a more creative person. But I haven't accepted it.
Eldar [00:52:53]:
Why?
Tommy [00:52:53]:
Because I don't like being in transitory stages. I don't like saying that I'm trying. I don't like saying that I've set up these goals. Because I constantly know that there's this possibility that I'm going to be called out as a fraud. And I do not like that at all.
Phillip [00:53:11]:
So, in this, what was the thing that then had you have a sense of realization? Was it me saying it to you? Was it the collective of everybody also agreeing?
Tommy [00:53:23]:
I'm trying to remember. Something that was just said was.
Eldar [00:53:29]:
Because.
Phillip [00:53:29]:
You obviously went home and then you thought about this thing, right?
Eldar [00:53:32]:
Yeah. Which he didn't have to, but he did.
Tommy [00:53:35]:
Okay, so I'll tell you what I realized. I kind of realized that I have a relationship with this work. And the other part of it that I can't really remember is sort of like I'm realizing that I have a relationship with myself. And it's kind of an emerging creative relationship, which I'm embracing. But I realized on some level, there's probably some way to meet that agreement to collaborate. You know, instead of saying this is all about, like, me, you know what I mean? This is all about my interests and stuff like that.
Phillip [00:54:11]:
Sure.
Eldar [00:54:13]:
Okay.
Tommy [00:54:14]:
Let's just say I'll. I'll say the. The honest truth, which is in a new environment where I'm going to be pursuing this stuff. And I want to take it seriously. Maybe I don't know everything, since I've never really done this in a professional environment.
Eldar [00:54:29]:
Right.
Tommy [00:54:30]:
And I want to do this now. Maybe it doesn't have to be perfect. That's kind of what I think. So what would that even look like? What would that perfect being a writer in an office look like at all? But, yeah, I'd say I just wasn't open at the time to thinking, what.
Eldar [00:54:52]:
Would arrogance look like?
Tommy [00:54:53]:
What would arrogance in this situation specifically look know? And how is it possible that maybe I'm overlooking some unseen thing?
Eldar [00:55:03]:
So, Philip. Yeah.
Eldar [00:55:05]:
If you didn't follow that, it's okay. I also didn't follow any of this.
Tommy [00:55:08]:
No, I think he got it because you weren't here.
Eldar [00:55:10]:
Yeah, I know.
Phillip [00:55:12]:
No, I think he definitely became open to the fact of understanding that there might be something wrong.
Eldar [00:55:20]:
How and why?
Phillip [00:55:22]:
I don't think that.
Mike [00:55:24]:
He didn't say how.
Phillip [00:55:24]:
I don't think he answered how directly, because I was saying, was it just a result of me bringing it up? Was it a result of the collective all agreeing that my opinion was what everybody else thought? And then it was like majority kind of swaying thing? Or was it just like, this thing is weighing on me for a while, and I just needed somebody to point it out to me, and I kind of came to the realization on my own, on my own time. But then you also said something else about understanding that if you're going to pursue this as a business endeavor, you haven't done this yet. So what clicked in my head was that somebody like Eldar, who's a creative person, but he's also a business person, he has a business linking up with somebody like this. It's like he's allowing you to collaborate with him and then benefit from the thing that he created, which is like, this company and this environment and this energy is conducive to growth and business and ideas. And whether you're a writer or you're a philosophy person, you're a business person, sales, or you're a production manager or writer, there's a lot of people in here that can grow. They can help themselves financially, they can grow spiritually and mentally and all this stuff. And if you're a writer and you can have this space, if you're now open to the idea of saying, hey, I can learn from somebody who's creative and a business person, and maybe I can bring some artistic version of that here, but then also benefit from the ideals and philosophy that were maybe preventing me from growing, and maybe allowing you to have that arrogance on your own with whoever else you were maybe spending time with, or how you were thinking outside of here. I think that's a really profound thought, because I think that will allow you to get in the door and then be open to the idea of being consistent and then being a writer in the capacity of being a business person, being the artist, and then, like, coupling them both together, and he's allowing for.
Eldar [00:57:11]:
Us to start cheering for him.
Phillip [00:57:13]:
Exactly that too. But being vulnerable like this, I think, in a sense, is like, it's saying that without directly having to say this.
Eldar [00:57:21]:
Why wouldn't people around him who feels this type of energy not get behind them?
Eldar [00:57:27]:
It's a no brainer. Thank you. Yeah. Wow. Tom, it's probably very short lived, but.
Eldar [00:57:37]:
Nonetheless, you should give it a good.
Eldar [00:57:39]:
Crack, because this might be the key to the kingdom of everything.
Phillip [00:57:45]:
No, it is the key.
Eldar [00:57:47]:
Wow.
Phillip [00:57:48]:
No, it is the key. 100% wow. The only thing is how many times it's going to take for you to get it to click because you're allowing the floodgates to open for this sometimes. But right now, how he is speaking and how he spoke about the inheritance with the friendship. Friendship. If you are now open to that idea and you're translating into holy, it's opening the floodgates and then it's just a matter of like, now that these are open, wow. I can foresee that there might be some rocky roads and back and forth. I think that's inevitable.
Phillip [00:58:22]:
But now that you're open to the idea, I think it's like, to me that's the big first step and you weren't taking that all the other times.
Eldar [00:58:30]:
We'Ve been talking so far.
Tommy [00:58:32]:
Yeah, well, because I've faced many obstacles over the years as being part of friends with these guys.
Eldar [00:58:39]:
Right.
Tommy [00:58:40]:
At that time, the continuance of the last ten years, continuation like the overall last ten years, living this life and having these experiences and facing obstacles along.
Eldar [00:58:54]:
The way.
Tommy [00:58:57]:
I've kind of come up short on my own end, you know what I mean? I've kind of felt like I've gotten the butt end of things, let's say.
Eldar [00:59:07]:
You know what I mean?
Tommy [00:59:08]:
And that's upsetting, but I haven't really been able to figure it out until really now I'm starting to think about how I'm doing this. And the fear for me is very real about like, I don't want this to be a repeat, but the arrogance comes from a place of.
Mike [00:59:26]:
So he's finally seeing that all this shit is self imposed, is that what he's saying?
Tommy [00:59:30]:
Yes, that's True.
Eldar [00:59:32]:
He's trying different. He wants to try something different.
Tommy [00:59:34]:
Yeah, well, yeah, see, the arrogance, it really comes from a place of not wanting it to be another bummer, basically. And this is an important one, I think, that it's not being able to see things for what they are with friendship.
Eldar [00:59:54]:
Wow.
Tommy [00:59:55]:
Like what is episode title is actually.
Phillip [00:59:59]:
This is a tomcast.
Eldar [00:59:59]:
It's not a podcast, it's a tomcast.
Tommy [01:00:02]:
Because these guys are not only friends.
Phillip [01:00:04]:
But elder, is it a tomcast?
Eldar [01:00:06]:
It is a tomcast.
Phillip [01:00:07]:
The tomcast production.
Eldar [01:00:08]:
Yes.
Tommy [01:00:09]:
I appreciate that, but look, the idea is that I've realized I'll co sign.
Eldar [01:00:12]:
Us any day, Tom. Keep going, Tom. If you keep going, if it keeps hitting, bro, I'll keep buying.
Eldar [01:00:18]:
He's hitting.
Phillip [01:00:19]:
These guys have not buying everything.
Eldar [01:00:20]:
I'm buying.
Tommy [01:00:20]:
Yeah, these guys have not only been friends, but they've actually been helpful friends, actually been in sort of like, that position to be critical to my bullshit recovery.
Eldar [01:00:36]:
Yeah.
Tommy [01:00:37]:
Developmentrecovery that I question a lot. And this is why I'm walking across this fine line between being grateful and being arrogant, because I see myself as joining these friends as I've got to be a winner and in a very competitive and maybe sometimes unforgiving and somewhat unworthhox mindset.
Eldar [01:01:01]:
Wow, that's fucking confidence right there.
Eldar [01:01:05]:
I like it. Tom, put it there. I'll put it there.
Phillip [01:01:08]:
Tom, you got a bell.
Eldar [01:01:10]:
There is. It's going on. You don't hear it, but trust me, it's going on. Wow.
Mike [01:01:19]:
Not bad.
Eldar [01:01:20]:
What a pod.
Tommy [01:01:21]:
Is it recording?
Phillip [01:01:22]:
It is recording.
Eldar [01:01:26]:
We create magic. Every fucking podcast.
Phillip [01:01:28]:
What a pod.
Eldar [01:01:29]:
Remember this?
Tommy [01:01:30]:
This was definitely a very interesting one.
Phillip [01:01:33]:
Let me go pee. Don't say anything else.
Eldar [01:01:34]:
Yes, you don't want to miss it. That's how it is. When I was peeing, I was like, damn, I don't want to miss this. What can I say? Gold Mike, he doesn't want to journey by himself.
Mike [01:01:44]:
That's what we've been promoting this whole. All the time, bro.
Eldar [01:01:47]:
You don't want to journey the relationship space by yourself.
Eldar [01:01:49]:
I said I had enough.
Tommy [01:01:50]:
Yeah, I found the solution to the.
Eldar [01:01:53]:
Word count thing, so I didn't even.
Tommy [01:01:55]:
Present you with that.
Eldar [01:01:55]:
That's awesome.
Tommy [01:01:56]:
I think I have a solution for it.
Eldar [01:01:57]:
Yeah, but that's interesting.
Tommy [01:01:59]:
We wouldn't even be talking about a solution if I didn't get over this fact that it doesn't just have to be about everything that I think is right and everything that I think is perfect. Everything that I think I need as a writer.
Eldar [01:02:09]:
Holy fuck. You see?
Mike [01:02:11]:
Well, some is in the air today.
Eldar [01:02:13]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:02:14]:
Wow.
Mike [01:02:15]:
Who's next? If Tom is coming around. Fuck, yo, I'm not going to say anything.
Eldar [01:02:20]:
Yo, Tom coming around. I don't need anything else. I'm done with, I'm content. Yeah, if Tom came around.
Mike [01:02:28]:
Yeah, for real, though, for real.
Eldar [01:02:29]:
This is day one, you know what I'm saying? If now we can build on this shit, create that shit for him and him thriving and killing it. I'm fucking done.
Mike [01:02:38]:
Unbelievable.
Eldar [01:02:39]:
I'm done.
Mike [01:02:40]:
Unbelievable.
Eldar [01:02:42]:
That's something they cheer for, it's root for, and that's awesome. You know what I'm saying?
Eldar [01:02:46]:
Sure.
Tommy [01:02:46]:
When I publish my book, or if it goes to an agent or an editor, I'm going to ring that.
Eldar [01:02:52]:
Good, good.
Phillip [01:02:53]:
Fucking ring that bell.
Eldar [01:02:54]:
I want you to break that bell. I want you to hang on that bell and rip that Socrates balls off sitting on it. You know what I'm saying? That fucking bell, man. Socrates is sitting on top of that bell.
Phillip [01:03:06]:
I want him to jump. I want him to rip it. I want him to pull it, all of his weight and hold it up, and I want to yank it off.
Mike [01:03:13]:
And we'll put a new.
Eldar [01:03:14]:
Yes.
Phillip [01:03:14]:
Yeah, you have to break the.
Eldar [01:03:17]:
That's.
Eldar [01:03:17]:
That's awesome.
Eldar [01:03:20]:
Yeah, but that's really good.
Eldar [01:03:23]:
Mike, what do you have to say about being grateful?
Mike [01:03:25]:
I think what Tommy's saying is part of him coming around is humbling himself and realizing that it's better five minds is better than one, and that it's okay to ask for help. And it's not a weakness thing. It's actually smart, powerful saying, like, you don't know and you can't figure it out.
Eldar [01:03:45]:
I don't know, man. I agree with that. Obviously. Time will tell. Yeah, but I agree with all of it.
Eldar [01:03:52]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:03:52]:
For now.
Mike [01:03:53]:
For now, yeah. We do live moments.
Phillip [01:03:55]:
Let's just bask in the greatness.
Eldar [01:03:58]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:03:58]:
This is a Tom cast.
Eldar [01:04:00]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:04:01]:
Tom used to be a ten second Tom. Let's see if he's a 1 minute Tom.
Eldar [01:04:05]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:04:05]:
Or one day.
Phillip [01:04:06]:
Tomagotchi went for at least 15, but.
Mike [01:04:08]:
This is a very profound.
Eldar [01:04:12]:
Wow. Thing that he was able to extract. Yeah.
Phillip [01:04:16]:
To conclude, we already gave Tom a day. Is this actually the real.
Eldar [01:04:20]:
Wait. Yeah.
Mike [01:04:20]:
Last week was Tom day.
Eldar [01:04:22]:
Yes.
Phillip [01:04:23]:
Is this the real day, though, or.
Eldar [01:04:24]:
No, this one took over the last one.
Eldar [01:04:26]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:04:26]:
I'm saying if we then had to create one day, like Martin Luther King day, push it up to the 18th.
Eldar [01:04:31]:
I would give them two days. I would give that one and this one as well.
Phillip [01:04:35]:
Yeah, I'm fine with this.
Eldar [01:04:37]:
Yeah, me too. I'm fine with that too.
Phillip [01:04:39]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:04:39]:
Market on the calendar.
Eldar [01:04:41]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:04:41]:
Summertime and August. For Tom.
Mike [01:04:44]:
August is your month, Tom.
Eldar [01:04:46]:
Yeah, August is definitely your month.
Eldar [01:04:48]:
Wow. Oh, shit. It's August.
Eldar [01:04:51]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:04:51]:
I think it's Dennis's birthday soon.
Eldar [01:04:53]:
Is it?
Eldar [01:04:55]:
I think the 19th. Tomorrow.
Eldar [01:04:57]:
Tomorrow, yeah. Is it?
Mike [01:04:59]:
I don't know, Mike.
Eldar [01:04:59]:
Come on. You fucking with the numbers.
Phillip [01:05:01]:
What is he, a virgo or a Leo?
Eldar [01:05:03]:
I don't know.
Eldar [01:05:04]:
Why? Which one? One is better than the other.
Phillip [01:05:07]:
I thought he would be a Leo. That was my guess. Based off of, like, his. When is Leo then? It's going to from July to August. He might be on the cusp of a earlier.
Eldar [01:05:16]:
Earlier.
Mike [01:05:17]:
I have no idea when his birthday is, bro.
Eldar [01:05:19]:
No. 19th.
Phillip [01:05:20]:
His personality gives me a Leo.
Eldar [01:05:22]:
19Th or like, 17th?
Phillip [01:05:24]:
I'm not sure I'm going to guess he's a Leo?
Eldar [01:05:29]:
Yeah, it's a fire sign. Fire sign Leo.
Eldar [01:05:34]:
Which is second part of the August or first part of the August?
Phillip [01:05:36]:
It goes late July into early August, I guess mid August, 20 something. Maybe 17 to 20 August.
Eldar [01:05:46]:
Okay, so he's a Leo.
Phillip [01:05:47]:
I think he is a Leo.
Eldar [01:05:48]:
Okay.
Eldar [01:05:48]:
Based on the stuff.
Eldar [01:05:49]:
Okay.
Tommy [01:05:50]:
Should we give him a call?
Eldar [01:05:52]:
If you want.
Tommy [01:05:53]:
Call Dennis. Yeah, last time I called him, say.
Eldar [01:05:56]:
Hey, when's your birthday?
Eldar [01:05:58]:
Are you a Leo?
Eldar [01:05:59]:
He'll know what he. Huh?
Eldar [01:06:01]:
He'll know what he is.
Mike [01:06:02]:
I mean, Dennis will know.
Eldar [01:06:03]:
Yeah, I have him. Saved the number.
Tommy [01:06:07]:
No, that's not his number. Last time I called it, some asian.
Eldar [01:06:10]:
Guy answered the face.
Mike [01:06:11]:
Oh, yeah. He changed the number.
Eldar [01:06:14]:
Oh.
Tommy [01:06:14]:
I haven't saved this junior because he's my son.
Eldar [01:06:17]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:06:19]:
So if the father's coming around, maybe the son will be next in the next couple decades.
Eldar [01:06:25]:
There we go.
Phillip [01:06:34]:
Hey, Tom.
Eldar [01:06:35]:
How you doing?
Phillip [01:06:35]:
Hi.
Tommy [01:06:36]:
Are you the editor of this podcast called Venice Rocks?
Mike [01:06:41]:
That's me.
Eldar [01:06:42]:
Oh, hi.
Tommy [01:06:43]:
How are you?
Eldar [01:06:44]:
I'm all right.
Eldar [01:06:45]:
You're calling the complaint department?
Tommy [01:06:47]:
No, I'm a current participant on the podcast at this moment. Just wondering.
Phillip [01:06:53]:
We want to acknowledge you.
Tommy [01:06:55]:
And first of all, thank you for being the editor of this podcast. We're wondering, when is your birthday, sir?
Eldar [01:07:01]:
My birthday?
Mike [01:07:02]:
August 24.
Tommy [01:07:04]:
August 24. All right, so it's right around the corner.
Eldar [01:07:06]:
All right.
Tommy [01:07:07]:
Thanks a lot, bud.
Phillip [01:07:08]:
Wait. Ask him if he's a Virgo or a Leo.
Tommy [01:07:10]:
Are you a Virgo or a Leo?
Eldar [01:07:12]:
I'm a Virgo.
Tommy [01:07:13]:
Does that make any difference in your life in a practical terms?
Eldar [01:07:17]:
He's on the cusp.
Phillip [01:07:18]:
Not really.
Tommy [01:07:19]:
No, not really.
Eldar [01:07:20]:
Okay. Yeah.
Phillip [01:07:21]:
How are you doing, bud?
Tommy [01:07:23]:
You're all right.
Phillip [01:07:23]:
Look up Leo.
Eldar [01:07:24]:
Doing, man.
Tommy [01:07:25]:
Excellent, man. We're wondering where you are.
Phillip [01:07:26]:
I look it up because I guarantee it's close.
Tommy [01:07:28]:
These guys are on their phones. They're just.
Phillip [01:07:29]:
I guarantee it's close to August 20 something.
Mike [01:07:31]:
23Rd.
Phillip [01:07:32]:
Yeah, Eldar, July 23. All right, sir. He's one to two days away from.
Tommy [01:07:38]:
All right, then.
Phillip [01:07:39]:
Thank you, Eldar. He's one to two days away from being a Leo. He's on the cusp.
Eldar [01:07:45]:
Holy shit.
Eldar [01:07:46]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:07:46]:
All right, I guess that helps him. Or not.
Phillip [01:07:49]:
Well, no, I'm just saying his type of personality, like who he is.
Mike [01:07:53]:
He's a lion. He's a Leo.
Tommy [01:07:57]:
Wait, guys. So this is a kind of question that I think relates to some knowledge that I would like to inquire about. Would you like to acquire this knowledge concerning if ten second Tom is like the kind of if ten second Tom is a part of me.
Eldar [01:08:14]:
Right.
Tommy [01:08:16]:
Would you say this is a part of me that you guys do not like?
Eldar [01:08:20]:
Well, we came to accept it. It's not like we don't like it. We came to accept it. So we learn how to appreciate it, I would say.
Eldar [01:08:26]:
Right?
Mike [01:08:27]:
Yeah, Tom, we learn how to.
Tommy [01:08:28]:
So, for example, one thing that I do that you guys do not like is when I just ramble and I go on and on.
Eldar [01:08:34]:
Yes.
Tommy [01:08:34]:
Say throw. What else would be a thing that I do that's no good?
Eldar [01:08:41]:
Wow, Tom, you came in hot today, man.
Mike [01:08:44]:
You want to be on a hot seat?
Tommy [01:08:45]:
Okay, we could cut this out later.
Eldar [01:08:50]:
Generally speaking, you're pretty pleasant.
Eldar [01:08:52]:
Yeah. Right? Yeah.
Eldar [01:08:55]:
No, generally speaking, you're pretty pleasant. The rambling, for sure, is definitely one of the negatives. 100%. If you can get rid of that. Holy shit.
Phillip [01:09:02]:
Yeah, I think you're pleasant. I think you can be entertaining, funny, and charming. But I would say, at times, I think you definitely get caught up in your words, where I think maybe it's as a result of. Maybe some kind of confusion or maybe some kind of insecurity, but you're allowing your words to basically take form in that sense and kind of take over.
Eldar [01:09:22]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:09:23]:
Does that make sense?
Eldar [01:09:24]:
Yeah, it does make sense. Where the words and the concepts maybe become bigger than the people he's surrounded by at the time.
Eldar [01:09:30]:
Right.
Eldar [01:09:30]:
And he disregards. So, yeah. So it's that pretentious, almost arrogant behavior.
Mike [01:09:35]:
Same thing.
Eldar [01:09:36]:
Same thing.
Tommy [01:09:37]:
Like intensity.
Eldar [01:09:38]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:09:40]:
Okay.
Eldar [01:09:40]:
I appreciate that for sure.
Mike [01:09:43]:
Only because you asked, when the cabinets fell in the kitchen, did they hit your head?
Eldar [01:09:47]:
Yeah. What the hell?
Tommy [01:09:49]:
Gave me a good scare, I'll tell you that.
Eldar [01:09:52]:
Listen, Tom.
Mike [01:09:53]:
Whatever.
Eldar [01:09:54]:
You're surprising me.
Mike [01:09:55]:
You surprised us.
Phillip [01:09:56]:
There's a shock, right? No or no?
Eldar [01:09:58]:
Yes, it is.
Phillip [01:09:58]:
You had no idea this.
Eldar [01:09:59]:
I have no idea. This is what's happening.
Tommy [01:10:00]:
I'm kind of surprising myself at this point in time.
Phillip [01:10:02]:
I mean, Kat really. She prepped us with the chicken noodle soup bread, the bread pudding with the wine, and then we basically got buttered up. Kat, whether she knew it or not, was buttering us up with beautiful food and ambiance to get to this point.
Eldar [01:10:20]:
Wow.
Phillip [01:10:20]:
This day has been a complete day.
Eldar [01:10:23]:
Yeah. Completely overexpeded itself.
Phillip [01:10:26]:
Last Friday, I thought was, like, good. Next level. It came into something. These last two Fridays. The whole week. This week was, like, a whole great week. But last week, from Friday up until. But that Friday was great.
Phillip [01:10:40]:
I think this one is also.
Eldar [01:10:41]:
You know what, Philip? I'm gonna have to say it out loud. I'm gonna. The t shirts line. I just came up with it.
Eldar [01:10:45]:
Do it.
Eldar [01:10:46]:
Philosophy is a well you can exhaust.
Mike [01:10:48]:
Holy shit.
Phillip [01:11:04]:
There's nothing to not understand.
Eldar [01:11:07]:
That's what you're saying by giving the compliment from last week. Say again next week. Every week he says, yo, well, this is fucking popping. Yeah, philosophy is a well you can't exhaust.
Mike [01:11:16]:
But do you know how to. Now, do you understand how to recreate it or no?
Eldar [01:11:20]:
Oh, shit. He said, are you empowered enough.
Eldar [01:11:24]:
Or.
Mike [01:11:25]:
You need another slice of bread pudding?
Phillip [01:11:27]:
Well, this is what I am learning also, is listening to my body and finding a balance. There are certain nights where I understand, like, all right, I overdid it with sugar, and maybe I drank a little bit. And instead of just allowing myself to just be a piss, like, the next couple of days, say, maybe going to sleep a little bit earlier, give yourself a break. Give myself a little bit of a break, but do it in real time, opposed to, okay, saying, hey, I did it yesterday. Oh, yeah, it's not a big deal. And then just, like, just saying, fuck it, and then just do the next thing. That's when I get myself in trouble. These last couple of weeks, what I found is that I'm going home, and I'm realizing, like, all right, some days aren't iPad days, and I don't want to watch shows.
Phillip [01:12:07]:
Some days are bad days. Some days I can push myself a little more, stay in the office a little later some days. And every day is different. And I'm accepting this. I used to be this rigid guy that said I have to wake up every day, work out. I got to wake up every now.
Eldar [01:12:22]:
You know what you just said? Everything you just described?
Eldar [01:12:24]:
Fluidity. No. Bruce Lee. No. It's called self love. Self love. Yeah.
Eldar [01:12:35]:
You're learning how to self love.
Mike [01:12:36]:
You're learning how to tune into yourself and accept yourself.
Eldar [01:12:40]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:12:41]:
And you're giving yourself what you actually need.
Phillip [01:12:43]:
You're figuring it out on a day to day basis.
Eldar [01:12:46]:
That's awesome. That's great. You know what changes every day? I thought this was Tom's day, but you're pushing it, man. You might have to.
Mike [01:12:54]:
Dennis.
Phillip [01:12:54]:
I wasn't even trying to steal it, I promise.
Eldar [01:12:57]:
Cut it. Just cut.
Phillip [01:12:58]:
It's Tom's day. Is it Tom?
Eldar [01:12:59]:
It is Tom's day.
Eldar [01:13:00]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:13:00]:
Is it Tom?
Eldar [01:13:00]:
Cast.
Phillip [01:13:01]:
We'll edit this for the next cast. Give me.
Eldar [01:13:04]:
Yeah, no, I agree with you. Yeah, that's awesome.
Phillip [01:13:06]:
Because I look at it right, there might be days or weeks where I'm like, maybe I only work out once a week. Maybe I only work out twice a week where I was like, oh, that's a loss. But then I'm saying to myself, if I'm staying here later, if we're going for a walk, I'm doing little things in between. I'm like, I'm being active. Why do I have to punish myself and say, like, oh, because I didn't do 20 to 30 minutes one morning? Maybe instead I woke up and I did some laundry. Maybe one day I woke up, I took a shower, and I groomed myself. Whatever it may be, to me, those are all wins. Because I'm waking up, I'm doing something, and it doesn't have to be the thing that I think I have to do.
Phillip [01:13:41]:
I'm not listening to my body.
Eldar [01:13:42]:
Look at that. That ties back to gratefulness. He's having the ability to be grateful for the smaller things and recognize them for what they are, that they do fill him.
Eldar [01:13:51]:
But he has lapsed them before or.
Eldar [01:13:55]:
Overlooked them before because he had a goal in mind.
Eldar [01:13:59]:
Exactly. Yeah, there we go.
Eldar [01:14:01]:
That's a fucking breakthrough. Again, he's speaking about being in the moment and recognizing that, brushing his teeth, doing his hair, whatever it is that he wants to do in that moment, despite the fact that he had a grandiose plan of walking 10 miles, 10,000.
Eldar [01:14:14]:
Steps, this actually's filling him, and he's.
Eldar [01:14:18]:
Feeling good about it. That's awesome.
Eldar [01:14:21]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:14:21]:
I haven't had to wake up in the morning and feel that I have to go for a walk or do anything extra. So I'm saying to myself, I'm looking at how many steps I take. I feel good. And I'm saying, hey, throughout the course of the day, I'm walking so much more than I was when I was working from home. By just coming to the office, going to lunch, and just hanging out with you guys and just going back and.
Eldar [01:14:41]:
Forth to the fridge.
Phillip [01:14:42]:
I'm walking enough.
Eldar [01:14:44]:
Do you realize that you have the ability to liberate a lot of people?
Eldar [01:14:48]:
Or, no, this is great, you're the center.
Phillip [01:14:51]:
Or, no, this I don't understand yet, because I'm still, like, see, the way.
Eldar [01:14:55]:
You'Re speaking about it and the way you're conquering yourself is what people need, and you're able to fucking voice it with your words. You're able to string words together that make complete sense. By making complete sense, you can unlock other individuals who are stuck in the same perpetual cycle of fucking beating themselves up over shit that they've been fucking stuck on for a very long time because Tony Robbins told him so.
Phillip [01:15:20]:
Tony Robbins, man, or whoever the fuck.
Eldar [01:15:23]:
It is, this pisser.
Phillip [01:15:25]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:15:29]:
Well, we caught somebody.
Phillip [01:15:30]:
We caught think. I guess what happens is that I guess there is a certain level of gratitude that you can have and you can accept things and there can be maybe limited ego. But I think also that, I guess on a day to day basis, even when you are in the moment, I guess this is so new to me still that I'm not thinking about this as something that, oh, maybe somebody else is listening and I can help somebody else. I'm still maybe more in my own little bubble where I'm like, oh, shit, I'm like poking a little bubble out and I'm getting a breath of fresh air from the outside for myself and I'm not even thinking, like, oh, shit, somebody else's bubble can be affected. This is not even like I'm observing.
Eldar [01:16:13]:
It and I'm telling you it is. That's why these words, the way you string them together is profound.
Phillip [01:16:17]:
Interesting.
Eldar [01:16:18]:
I think so, yeah. To me, the way it's falling on me is like, yo, this is great stuff.
Phillip [01:16:24]:
Yeah, see, I don't feel that. I mean, obviously I appreciate, it's awesome. And I respect the fact that you're.
Eldar [01:16:30]:
Saying, I'm not gassing you here.
Phillip [01:16:31]:
Yeah, I'm learning from you and you guys and then you're telling me this. So I'm like, yeah, I feel great. That makes me.
Eldar [01:16:37]:
You're giving us direct feedback of what you've learned and how you're implying it, applying it to your life, and what are the results that you're fucking seeing? That's fucking gold.
Eldar [01:16:46]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:16:46]:
I mean, just from last month to this month, we shifted something for how I'm communicating with people and I'm realizing that it has this effect that it starts at business, then it comes and it affects all the other stuff, my friendships, my relationship, my family. It evens everything out. It makes everything true. And now I'm finding that I'm going home and I'm actually thinking about work in a positive way where instead of like, oh, I want to watch this episode, I'm like, yo, I want to formulate this email and I'm waking up early and I'm looking at emails and I'm like, how can I fucking figure this out? How can I figure this out? I want to give this person better service, come from a good place, and then I'm having better phone calls and all of a sudden I'm like, oh shit. Now I'm enjoying coming in here. I'm like buzing around, then I can enjoy lunch and I can look forward to all these things. But the whole day, it's filled with that is filled with the whole thing. Instead of waiting to, oh, once I get this, imagine I was doing this in spans of two weeks where I'm going to get my paycheck and then I can do this.
Phillip [01:17:48]:
Then at the end of the month I get two paychecks with insurance. I'll do this. And this is how I was thinking. Every month I had like two or three blips of this. Now in a span of two weeks, I had it probably ten times in ten days.
Eldar [01:17:58]:
Wow.
Phillip [01:17:59]:
You know what I mean?
Eldar [01:17:59]:
Wow.
Mike [01:18:01]:
It's funny how the changing of the agenda will lead to a gratefulness as well. He changed the agenda completely.
Eldar [01:18:07]:
That's what I'm saying.
Mike [01:18:08]:
He does not care about, he's not thinking about the end result and also.
Eldar [01:18:10]:
Coming across more humble that way. He's more patient with the clients, he's more compassionate. The emails that you're writing like to the guy, that was very difficult.
Phillip [01:18:20]:
I think I gave him a good email.
Eldar [01:18:21]:
A very good email.
Eldar [01:18:22]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:18:22]:
And again, I'm not gassing you.
Eldar [01:18:24]:
I looked at it, I was like, wow.
Eldar [01:18:25]:
Yeah, you did the right thing. You found exactly who this person is, what he wants to hear, and you fucking gave it to him.
Phillip [01:18:32]:
And I was being honest though, because I do remember that I gave it to him. I gave him credit and said, hey, if you want to try to nitpick, find one thing that I did wrong, because I know I gave you great service. That if you want to say that I did this, I will agree that technically I did say this, but I never included in your planner sales agreement. But I will let you win this and I will say, hey, you know what, it's actually a good point because moving forward, this one thing that you did point out, I probably am saying it and it is going to help me.
Eldar [01:18:59]:
That's right.
Phillip [01:18:59]:
So I'll take this as a win for me. You win from an ego standpoint, you're still going to get my service, you're still going to get our price and product and everything, but you're never going to get the full benefit of me because you just want to win for something. That's very nitpicky, but it actually helped me.
Eldar [01:19:14]:
Yeah, this is true.
Phillip [01:19:15]:
So I'm fine with this.
Eldar [01:19:16]:
Good.
Eldar [01:19:16]:
No, and I think you did great. I think you did great there in comparison to how you used to react to clients that were difficult.
Phillip [01:19:22]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:19:24]:
One thing also, what he was saying when you were saying that he's doing well, I agree with one other thing that I noticed. I don't know if he noticed it, too, is that based on what he's saying and the way he's acting, he's also being able to pivot more, right? Yeah, I think that's a great ability, because not being attached helps you to pivot, and being flexible is very important, I think, too, because things never go according to the plan that you map out in your head. And being able to not get frustrated and not be attached, pivoting is a skill. And I remember he was always super rigid for a long time in a lot of areas, and he's like, no, we have this plan. We got to do this. We got to do this time. Got to do, like, this way. And that attachment to a certain structure or control of the situation is detrimental.
Mike [01:20:18]:
But being able to pivot, which he's saying he's doing.
Phillip [01:20:23]:
Mean. Everybody pointed this out in me, but then spending, I spent probably the most personal time with, like, outside, too, and Saturdays and stuff. And Mike would point this out to me constantly, and he would do it jokingly. And in the beginning, I was like, okay. It kind of brushed off. And then I would still do my thing. I'd still be like, all right, we got to keep walking.
Eldar [01:20:41]:
The city.
Phillip [01:20:42]:
We got to keep walking, right? We got to keep doing this. Then it turned into, oh, you guys are saying, do I even really like walking? And I'm like, yo, this fucking dumb concept. Like, yeah, I would say, I like it. I've been doing it for a long time. Then I'm asking, like, damn. Everybody's saying, yeah, maybe it's like this. And then Mike, everybody's saying, the point at work. Maybe there's, like, little things like that.
Phillip [01:21:02]:
And then on the weekend, like, me and Mike spend time together, just me and him. He's also bringing that to my attention, too. But then I realized he was bringing to my attention to try to get my attention about this to make me actually critically think about it. Then I critically thought about it, and I haven't been going to the city at all.
Eldar [01:21:18]:
Wow.
Phillip [01:21:18]:
Then I'm saying to myself, how do we reintroduce the city? Because it was great. Then all of a sudden, a couple of weeks ago, Mike got the idea of like, hey, why don't we go to the gym? We go to do the coal plunge. We do something really cool. We don't have to walk crazy amount. It's not even really about the city. It's just about me and you spending time doing something that's really cool, that you like, that we like. And now on Saturday, I look forward to Saturday even more than ever.
Eldar [01:21:41]:
Look at that.
Phillip [01:21:42]:
And we're doing the least amount of walking that we've ever done, and we're just getting to enjoy the city. We're doing it on the ferry. We drive, very minimal effort, energy, but it's just very enjoyable.
Eldar [01:21:53]:
That's awesome.
Phillip [01:21:53]:
We get to talk and do what we want to do, and it doesn't have to be this big buz around.
Eldar [01:21:57]:
Well, now, listen, you guys selling this to me, and I'm looking forward to going it.
Eldar [01:22:02]:
That's great.
Eldar [01:22:03]:
That's great.
Phillip [01:22:04]:
But that, to me, is now saying, hey, I don't have to do it. Every week. We times it out, like twice. Twice a. It's not. It doesn't have to be a big thing. Like last week, we decided to then say, hey, we were getting momentum. We were all talking.
Phillip [01:22:17]:
We wanted to book a hotel, go down to the beach, and have fun. Old me would have been like, yo, mike, we said we were going to go to the city. We have to do the city, and maybe we'll do this next week. And I wouldn't allow that momentum. And just think, we would have prevented all these great memories. I have great memories from this weekend already. Going down the beach with you guys, hanging out with dennis, his girl, you, cat. Mike, we had a great time, great dinner.
Phillip [01:22:40]:
We had fun. I got to show you guys.
Eldar [01:22:42]:
We spontaneously went the same night.
Phillip [01:22:44]:
Spontaneously, the same night. We had such a good time. So I'm saying to myself, looking back at this now and saying, hey, if I was so rigid and said, hey, mike, let's go to the city, would me and mike have a good time?
Eldar [01:22:54]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:22:54]:
But if I had to, then know what I know now, I would have never picked to go to the city and to do something to do it versus the experiences that we got from going to red.
Eldar [01:23:03]:
Look at that. 100% open mindedness.
Mike [01:23:06]:
Open minded, yeah.
Phillip [01:23:07]:
Old me would have not have been open minded to this.
Eldar [01:23:10]:
That's awesome. Good. That's great, tom.
Eldar [01:23:13]:
It all ties to what you said, man. I think he's talking about the same thing.
Eldar [01:23:17]:
It is.
Eldar [01:23:18]:
He was stuck in his ways, the way he thought life ought to be, right. And he would want to do that.
Eldar [01:23:24]:
As much as possible. Right.
Eldar [01:23:26]:
But then, as soon as he became open minded, less arrogant, and more humble, he allowed new experiences and new things to come into his life, and now he's reflecting on it and saying that, look, I actually enjoy this. I don't enjoy this. I enjoy this. And he's saying it very humbly, with humility, and that's fucking awesome.
Eldar [01:23:43]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:23:44]:
He's also buzing off.
Eldar [01:23:46]:
So you're saying that's not philip?
Mike [01:23:48]:
That's not philip.
Eldar [01:23:49]:
Coffee, alcohol.
Phillip [01:23:51]:
What else did we do? Oh, we did two different types of alcohol. That peanut butter.
Eldar [01:23:56]:
It's sweet, but.
Mike [01:23:56]:
It's sweet.
Eldar [01:23:57]:
It's good.
Mike [01:23:58]:
It's good, but it's sweet.
Phillip [01:23:59]:
I liked it with the ice.
Eldar [01:24:00]:
A lot with that.
Mike [01:24:01]:
Yeah, we need a little bit more ice over there.
Phillip [01:24:02]:
It was excellent.
Eldar [01:24:03]:
Yeah, with the ice. We have.
Eldar [01:24:05]:
Anything else?
Mike [01:24:06]:
Yeah, we have whiskey.
Eldar [01:24:07]:
We do. We have whiskey a little bit.
Mike [01:24:08]:
Like, not a lot.
Eldar [01:24:09]:
All right, give me some, please.
Mike [01:24:10]:
You guys want some with ice?
Phillip [01:24:12]:
I definitely want some with ice.
Tommy [01:24:13]:
Yeah, my family's waiting for me.
Eldar [01:24:14]:
Oh, okay.
Eldar [01:24:15]:
Tom, listen, I think you did great today, Tommy. You crushed it.
Phillip [01:24:19]:
Yeah, Tom, this is your best ever.
Eldar [01:24:24]:
Holy shit. Friendship is the inheritance of being rich. That doesn't make any fucking sense that I said it.
Eldar [01:24:35]:
Now.
Eldar [01:24:37]:
Get the fuck out of here right now, you confusing son of a bitch.
Eldar [01:24:42]:
Son of a.
Eldar [01:24:43]:
God.
Phillip [01:24:44]:
Wait, does it make sense?
Eldar [01:24:48]:
No, it doesn't make fucking sense. Friendship is the inheritance of being rich.
Eldar [01:24:53]:
Let's break down what the inheritance means. The inheritance of being rich. Did he bamboozles?
Eldar [01:25:00]:
No, I know what he's trying to say. I know I can restructure these words in order to make sense of it, for sure, but it's just the way they're structured right now.
Eldar [01:25:09]:
It doesn't make sense because inheritance.
Phillip [01:25:12]:
Everything will make sense.
Eldar [01:25:14]:
You're fine.
Phillip [01:25:15]:
Because inheritance is essentially saying that you're getting something given.
Eldar [01:25:19]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:25:21]:
Read it one more time.
Eldar [01:25:23]:
Friendship is the inheritance of being rich.
Phillip [01:25:26]:
No, friendship is what you get given as a result of. Yeah, I think if you say it like this, friendship is what you get given as a result of being rich. If you reverse engineer that, you're basically saying that when I'm rich, I'm getting given friendship, not money.
Eldar [01:25:45]:
Yeah, but you have to be careful the way you use the word rich.
Eldar [01:25:49]:
In this particular statement.
Phillip [01:25:52]:
But I think the power of this is him not associating it with fame or riches or anything, but with money standards that he was associating before.
Eldar [01:26:00]:
Correct.
Phillip [01:26:00]:
So if he's associating rich with friendship, that's the sense that I got from.
Eldar [01:26:04]:
I agree. And I agree with that.
Eldar [01:26:06]:
Sure.
Eldar [01:26:06]:
Because we've been here, we listened to what actually transpired.
Phillip [01:26:08]:
Exactly.
Eldar [01:26:10]:
Yeah. Thank you.
Eldar [01:26:15]:
Wow.
Phillip [01:26:16]:
Ice cold glass and ice.
Eldar [01:26:18]:
Wow.
Phillip [01:26:18]:
I mean, what else do we need here?
Mike [01:26:21]:
And some chocolate, just for know, bits and giggles.
Eldar [01:26:28]:
Mike, what are we talking about?
Phillip [01:26:29]:
There's literally an icicle growing off of this one.
Eldar [01:26:31]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:26:31]:
Oh, it's a major move.
Phillip [01:26:34]:
What are we talking, dude, the whiskey?
Eldar [01:26:36]:
Just.
Phillip [01:26:36]:
This brings it home today.
Eldar [01:26:39]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:26:39]:
That's the end of it, so savor it.
Phillip [01:26:41]:
This brings it home. That's the pretzel one.
Mike [01:26:45]:
Oh, they want chocolate?
Eldar [01:26:47]:
No, thank you. So how are we going to conclude this? Or do we want to expand more on it? Because we said a lot. The inability to be grateful, it's a result of us not being able to enjoy the present moment, not know what the present moment is. We don't know how to be in the present moment, therefore, we don't know and long enough in it, continue to be in it. That's why we don't have the ability to be grateful.
Mike [01:27:14]:
So is the gratefulness first, or is the being in the moment first?
Phillip [01:27:19]:
Being the moments first?
Eldar [01:27:20]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:27:20]:
Being in the moment.
Phillip [01:27:22]:
You can't be grateful if you're not in the moment.
Eldar [01:27:23]:
And you also said a very interesting thing, which I think is true. Being grateful is a result of other virtues. Yeah. And I think that's big because it's almost, what you're saying is that having the ability to be grateful is a gift.
Mike [01:27:39]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:27:41]:
And the gift a result of behaving the right way, seeing things for what they are.
Eldar [01:27:47]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:27:47]:
And that's one of. So we explained what it is, but do we need to describe how to get there? Like, how do you learn to become grateful?
Eldar [01:28:02]:
No, we didn't.
Mike [01:28:03]:
Why should we learn to become grateful?
Eldar [01:28:05]:
That's the thing. Based on what you're saying, it's not to learn to be grateful. You said you almost saying that in order to have the gift of being grateful, you have to be a certain type of way, so you have to.
Eldar [01:28:19]:
Earn to be grateful. Yeah.
Mike [01:28:22]:
But how do you do that? Change your value system.
Eldar [01:28:27]:
Hi.
Phillip [01:28:28]:
Change your beliefs. You change your value system.
Eldar [01:28:31]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:28:31]:
You're instantly getting humbled. You're instantly humbled.
Eldar [01:28:35]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:28:36]:
You're instantly humbled to make that realization that everything that you've done up to this point has mostly been wrong.
Eldar [01:28:42]:
It was a sham.
Phillip [01:28:43]:
Everything but you. Everything. It was a sham who you've become.
Eldar [01:28:47]:
You were a sham.
Eldar [01:28:48]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:28:48]:
The decisions that you made as a whole have made you become somebody who you not are or you're not proud of.
Eldar [01:28:54]:
You lost your way and you lost.
Eldar [01:28:56]:
Your mind, lost completely and you have.
Phillip [01:28:58]:
To be okay with this.
Eldar [01:29:00]:
And then. Okay, next.
Mike [01:29:04]:
Yeah, but I agree with you completely.
Eldar [01:29:07]:
What do you mean? We're agreeing with you, Mike.
Mike [01:29:08]:
Yeah, I know, but what are you saying now? I'll agree with you guys as well. I'm just trying to think it kind of ties back to the thing about how to become humble.
Eldar [01:29:18]:
Right.
Mike [01:29:19]:
Because you need to drop the arrogance in order to learn to become.
Eldar [01:29:22]:
That's why I think that those two topics are very tied together.
Phillip [01:29:26]:
When I knew that he was being vulnerable, Tommy, he started to talk about drinking and drugs in his past, which he never usually does when he starts saying this. Then I was like, oh, based off of what you guys tell me and then what I've seen so far, I was like, oh, shit, I think he's actually being really vulnerable. And then I heard what he said, and I was like, oh, yeah, I think he's really trying right now.
Eldar [01:29:46]:
Yeah, listen, good. Yeah, but why?
Eldar [01:29:52]:
You know why?
Eldar [01:29:52]:
Again, what Tara said you had to get beat down.
Eldar [01:29:58]:
Why do we have to get beat down? Because you're almost saying that we are inherently arrogant.
Phillip [01:30:05]:
No, I think that we have to.
Eldar [01:30:08]:
Get beat down in order to then be able to appreciate the fucking simplest things that were right in front of us.
Phillip [01:30:13]:
No, your arrogance has to get beat down, not you. That arrogance that you did is as a result of your behavior, your belief and then your behavior constantly reinforcing that thing. And that thing got so strong for him that all people that he respects in this room, he respects Mike. He respects you. I think he's learning me. And then whoever else was here were all, listen, like, yo, you're being arrogant. All of us. And I think when you have respect for people and he's talking the way he's talking, saying, hey, you guys took me in as a friend.
Phillip [01:30:44]:
I'm starting to understand friendship and realize that when I was going through my stuff, you guys are actually talking to me and not judging me and allowing me to be myself even when I'm making mistakes.
Eldar [01:30:54]:
Running amok.
Phillip [01:30:55]:
Yeah. He asked us today for the first time, hey, what bothers you guys about me?
Eldar [01:30:59]:
Like, wow, I didn't expect this.
Phillip [01:31:02]:
So, again, another state of vulnerability. Genuinely asking something that bothers us, taking us into consideration, which he wasn't doing before. And that, to me, is like, that's the entry level steps of doing all this. You're taking all the things that you saw, which were all the things that you were coming as a result of arrogance and all your behavior, and you're realizing, damn, I got so humbled that if I keep going the other route, I'm going to look dumb. I want to be a smart guy.
Eldar [01:31:32]:
Wow.
Phillip [01:31:32]:
So if I want to look like a smart guy.
Eldar [01:31:35]:
Wait a second.
Eldar [01:31:35]:
You're saying that we're that good?
Phillip [01:31:37]:
Yes, I'm saying that that's crazy. That we got him to realize that if he keeps going down that arrogant route, that he's going to lose something that he cherishes, which is looking smart. We exposed him for looking stupid and he wants to keep looking smart. So now the thing moving forward is, does he genuinely want to look smart consistently or does he want to hide?
Eldar [01:31:59]:
This is the new test. Second time.
Phillip [01:32:01]:
This is the new test. But today he showed a true vulnerable sense that it's undeniable.
Eldar [01:32:06]:
Yeah. Can we hang on to this?
Phillip [01:32:08]:
I want to.
Eldar [01:32:10]:
Will you? No. Why not? Wait, no.
Phillip [01:32:12]:
Next Friday is a whole new slate.
Eldar [01:32:13]:
No, Mike. Why not?
Mike [01:32:15]:
I would like to, but I also know that life is.
Eldar [01:32:17]:
Why can't you keep bringing them back?
Mike [01:32:19]:
I can keep bringing them back only if he allows me to, though.
Eldar [01:32:21]:
You have to remind them.
Eldar [01:32:23]:
If he's a ten second Tom who loses his memory, how can you not keep bringing him back to this point?
Eldar [01:32:29]:
I could. You know what I'm saying?
Eldar [01:32:31]:
I should. Yeah. If there's an opportunity, I think we should.
Mike [01:32:35]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:32:36]:
Listen, the way that he's doing it now, a little pop in here and there like a week. Just, hey, the light bulbs look good. Hey, let's talk about whatever. And then Friday, it's like, hey, slap you around a little bit.
Eldar [01:32:46]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:32:47]:
And then you come back, slap him.
Eldar [01:32:50]:
Around a little bit.
Eldar [01:32:50]:
Listen.
Eldar [01:32:51]:
Yeah. Holy shit.
Eldar [01:32:52]:
There's a nice little pattern that he's got going. I like it. So grateful.
Eldar [01:33:00]:
Holy shit, Mike. I didn't look at it like, definitely.
Phillip [01:33:03]:
This podcast did not go how I expected.
Eldar [01:33:05]:
It definitely was unexpected.
Eldar [01:33:07]:
I mean, do they always end up like this?
Phillip [01:33:10]:
This one was definitely one of the more unexpected ones, really, for how Tom behaved. And then the feedback that I got, too, I felt very good, but that.
Eldar [01:33:19]:
Was definitely the 360 that he showed us.
Phillip [01:33:22]:
Very unexpected. Yeah, very unexpected to get you guys because I felt it. And then I'm like, I always have to look at what you guys are feeling because you guys know him at a different level. And I do respect where you guys are coming from, and I hear it because I know it's coming from a true place and a years of experience. So I can't just come here and say, like, I know this about rare thing. So I think last week had a lot of do with this week.
Eldar [01:33:48]:
Yeah, for sure.
Mike [01:33:49]:
You raised that question. And now I'm thinking, am I going to remind him? Which I will. I can. I should. But the question now I thought about is, how do we keep reminding ourselves? Because that's where we lose our gratefulness. We start being down, like, on the.
Eldar [01:34:05]:
Things that we're working in our dynamic with him. It's doing this.
Eldar [01:34:09]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:34:09]:
It's through conversation.
Phillip [01:34:10]:
We do it every day.
Eldar [01:34:11]:
Exactly. Through paying attention and actually holding each other accountable. So this is the price of admission.
Phillip [01:34:17]:
The price of admission in this circle is being humble.
Eldar [01:34:21]:
Wow.
Phillip [01:34:22]:
And allowing this to penetrate you on the day to day basis, Tommy is now saying, hey, I'm willing to pay this price, even if it's maybe one day per week, maybe two days per week, once per month, whatever it is, I'm willing to pay this price every day. And I'm getting a lot more benefits than anybody else.
Eldar [01:34:42]:
Philip, you said price of admission into this circle is being humble.
Eldar [01:34:46]:
Even though I agree with you, we.
Eldar [01:34:48]:
Accept all walks of life. Yes or no?
Phillip [01:34:51]:
I'll add one thing to this, okay. I will say that the price of admission is to be humble. If you want the full benefit, if.
Eldar [01:34:58]:
You want the full package, if you.
Phillip [01:35:00]:
Want the recurring full package, if you want a one time bulk campaign, it's going to cost you additional 30%, and you will not be able to get the full benefits. You may be able to come in, get a couple of new prospects, but then the rest of the year, you're going to be pissing around.
Eldar [01:35:14]:
Yeah, I agree.
Eldar [01:35:16]:
Now that you revised it, I agree with that 100%.
Phillip [01:35:18]:
I'm on the annual plan.
Eldar [01:35:19]:
Subscription ongoing.
Eldar [01:35:23]:
Yeah. No, this is good stuff.
Eldar [01:35:25]:
Wow.
Eldar [01:35:26]:
Mike, say something, please. Being grateful. What are we talking about?
Eldar [01:35:31]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:35:31]:
The ability to be grateful is almost a result. I never thought about it that way neither. I never thought about it that way neither. It's a skill. It's a form of expression. I feel like.
Mike [01:35:46]:
From my personal example.
Eldar [01:35:47]:
Right.
Mike [01:35:47]:
Like from where I was, I don't know, two years ago, whatever. I don't think I wasn't grateful.
Eldar [01:35:57]:
Now, I think you're tapping into that more.
Mike [01:36:00]:
Now I'm tapping into it more. And my life is very good, obviously, and it's even more challenging than it was before. But I'm grateful for the challenges, because I understand that what it carries.
Eldar [01:36:13]:
So think about this.
Phillip [01:36:14]:
If you're then looking back at all your life, you then have to be an idiot to say that if you went through some shit where you were a person, that you didn't like. You didn't like how you acted. That is like your catapult for only going up. So you basically allowed yourself to hit a certain point where you can't go any lower and you explored your full self. Where I think it's then true to say that you then can only go up. And that if you can really look at that and accept that place that you explored, that you didn't like that person, you never have to be that person again because you actually fully got to experience that. You accepted who it was. You have humility in who you are now.
Phillip [01:36:57]:
You can truly move on from this.
Eldar [01:36:58]:
That is true change.
Phillip [01:37:00]:
That's true change. Like Tommy talking about what he talked about is a breakthrough.
Eldar [01:37:04]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:37:04]:
If he can do this and sustain it now and live, it's a breakthrough for him, bro. This book itself is wild.
Eldar [01:37:11]:
If he can write this. Yeah, if he could write it.
Eldar [01:37:16]:
I think that we're gassing this, though, because we understand the magnitude of what the fuck.
Phillip [01:37:20]:
No, but I think based off of how you guys are talking and how you know him and what I know so far, the breakthrough that just happened today is monumental. We cannot underestimate this.
Eldar [01:37:30]:
No, my man. Monumental.
Eldar [01:37:32]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:37:33]:
You have no idea.
Phillip [01:37:34]:
Tectonic.
Eldar [01:37:35]:
I'm looking for ways for him to hide. And why did he set up the way he set it up? I can't find it.
Phillip [01:37:41]:
I'm saying tectonic shift in the earth's atmosphere. This is huge. It's huge.
Mike [01:37:46]:
Yeah, from where he came from, that's huge.
Eldar [01:37:49]:
That's why I told you guys, arrogance topic. It's crazy big.
Eldar [01:37:52]:
It's great. Yeah.
Eldar [01:37:54]:
And look at this being grateful. It's fucking closely tied to this shit.
Eldar [01:37:57]:
Mike said, yo, if you're arrogant, you.
Eldar [01:38:00]:
Can'T even enjoy the fruits of being grateful. It's impossible.
Phillip [01:38:04]:
It's impossible. So I start to think about all the stuff for me now, as I'm thinking and I'm asking myself what I'm grateful for or what I want. And I remember Mike in the beginning when we were talking about what we want. And my superficial things were like driving around alpine and talking about houses and stuff and doing all this stuff. And to Mike's point, Mike always said, I don't care where I live. I just want to be around my friends. And I get this now. And I'm saying that I still might want the house, maybe, or I want that thing.
Phillip [01:38:33]:
But now I understand that you want to fill it. When I think about what the house is going to be, I think about having people over to the house now, you see, now it's starting to have different.
Eldar [01:38:42]:
Filling it up.
Phillip [01:38:43]:
So I think filling up the thing. So I think it's powerful to realize that maybe the thoughts that you have, the actual thing is not bad. It's your thought towards that thing and how you're thinking about it. Yeah. Your intention. So the house itself is not inherently bad. No, but I was thinking about it as a result of, like, I need this thing because it's going to do something as a result of whatever. But now it's like if I can be a certain person, as a result of the business person and the person I become on a day to day basis, I can earn this thing.
Phillip [01:39:13]:
And as a result of earning it, I can have people over and share my ideas.
Eldar [01:39:17]:
This is you smoking a cigarette.
Eldar [01:39:19]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:39:19]:
You being an eastern philosophy professor and smoking a cigarette at the same time.
Eldar [01:39:23]:
Yes.
Phillip [01:39:24]:
Where I can get a little pleasure from it. I can enjoy it.
Eldar [01:39:27]:
That's right.
Phillip [01:39:27]:
But I'm doing it with other people that I enjoy. And that's the essence of it.
Eldar [01:39:32]:
Let's get you the house in Alpine.
Phillip [01:39:34]:
There we go.
Eldar [01:39:34]:
Yeah. Because that didn't go away.
Phillip [01:39:37]:
I still have these thoughts. So I don't think that they're nothing.
Eldar [01:39:40]:
That's right.
Phillip [01:39:40]:
So I think that that's something. But I think, again, even with my body, with walking, I know that exercise and looking and feeling a certain way, it's not bad. But I was doing it and I felt like I had to do it. I was forcing myself. Now that I'm doing it with fluidity and I'm involving friends and people that I enjoy now, the experience is truly enjoyable. And if I miss it one week, it's fine because it doesn't matter because we're spending time and we're doing all the stuff that I like to do, which is connecting and spending time together.
Eldar [01:40:10]:
Wow. Right.
Eldar [01:40:12]:
Speaking of the word together. Sorry, Philip, to dilute your message a little bit.
Phillip [01:40:17]:
It's good.
Eldar [01:40:20]:
Last Friday we were drinking the same.
Eldar [01:40:21]:
Whiskey and we had some poor pounds, though.
Phillip [01:40:23]:
Yeah, whatever this is. Is this the japanese one? Yeah. This one's getting bought again.
Eldar [01:40:28]:
We have to call them.
Phillip [01:40:29]:
This one's 100%.
Eldar [01:40:30]:
We have to call.
Phillip [01:40:30]:
This might be. I think this might be the first possible sponsor.
Eldar [01:40:34]:
Do you understand this or not? Yeah.
Phillip [01:40:36]:
Because what's happening is like, what this is. And then what happens? And then, yes, it's ingesting. It's going in your body. It's affecting your mind and the words are coming out. This might be the first true sponsor that we have.
Eldar [01:40:48]:
Holy shit.
Eldar [01:40:50]:
That's what I wanted to say.
Eldar [01:40:51]:
That's correct. I like it.
Eldar [01:40:53]:
Was this on the level of Mike saying that, hey, we have a reservation in.
Phillip [01:41:01]:
I'm going to be Eldar for a second. Hey, guys. So my mom's obviously been dealing with this thing and she has to go get surgery and stuff like this. And I'm going to be Mike for a second. Hey, Eldar, real quick. I know you're talking about your mom and a lot of serious stuff, but just throwing it out there. You guys down for like, seven, like a month?
Eldar [01:41:18]:
Yeah. India restaurant.
Phillip [01:41:19]:
Indian restaurant. You guys down for this? Yeah, it's weird. Like, Amex just hit me up, like, no problem.
Eldar [01:41:24]:
What's the matter with.
Phillip [01:41:25]:
Yeah, but your mom, she's okay, though, or.
Eldar [01:41:27]:
No? Yeah. Good.
Phillip [01:41:27]:
Okay, good.
Eldar [01:41:28]:
He almost lost his mind. If we weren't around, who would have caught that?
Phillip [01:41:35]:
Yeah, that was.
Eldar [01:41:38]:
We just nipped it in the bud.
Phillip [01:41:39]:
So this is my humor.
Eldar [01:41:40]:
This will never happen ever again.
Phillip [01:41:41]:
This is my humor in a nutshell, though. I love that type of dryness. And when somebody gets that, I love it.
Eldar [01:41:49]:
Of course.
Eldar [01:41:49]:
How can you not get that?
Phillip [01:41:50]:
Yeah, that's like Seinfeld to me. In a nutshell. Just like this guy. This guy bringing up just like a. Right. We're talking about something serious, and he brings up totally something that has nothing to do and totally irrelevant.
Eldar [01:42:04]:
I thought that was mental illness. What are you talking about? Seinfeld?
Phillip [01:42:08]:
It's everyday things like, Kramer, Kramer, bring this stuff up.
Eldar [01:42:13]:
Sounds like Kramer wasn't mentally ill.
Mike [01:42:14]:
Yes, he was in real life, too.
Phillip [01:42:18]:
He's a banana head.
Eldar [01:42:24]:
You're a banana head.
Mike [01:42:25]:
For that moment, I was. That's true.
Eldar [01:42:28]:
It was funny. But, yeah, he says. I was like, wait, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? Me and you, I'm on one side of the spectrum, and he's on completely the opposite. I'm like, I can't even talk to this person. He's upsetting me right now.
Phillip [01:42:42]:
It was very funny.
Eldar [01:42:43]:
It was very funny.
Phillip [01:42:45]:
On a day to day basis, what we are able to do in a business setting with. To me, when I think about businesses and when tech companies first came out and they were, like, luring you in with, like, oh, we have, like, ping pong tables. Fucking ping pong tables and pod and unlimited fucking go girls.
Eldar [01:43:05]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:43:05]:
No idea what they were talking about.
Phillip [01:43:07]:
You know what I mean? They were luring you in with all the superficial stuff that we started to talk about, which is like, the shirts and the logo and all this. What you want to do is that's word of mouth marketing. They're essentially selling a product to get.
Eldar [01:43:19]:
You to work for them.
Phillip [01:43:20]:
So it's like unlimited food this. Oh, I sleep in a pod, this, blah, blah. Okay, great. At the end of the day, do you like spending time with the people that you work with? Do you feel safe? You're able to be vulnerable? Can you be yourself on a day to day basis? Are people rooting for you and cheering for you genuinely to actually grow as a person, or are you just trying to beat the other person down to get the raise and to get the job? And I feel like since I've been here, I'm realizing that this is like, it's so much more than business. But the philosophy carries into business, and it's only one part where I was associating business as the whole thing and my life as a result was that whole thing, and it was very empty.
Eldar [01:43:58]:
Yeah, wow.
Phillip [01:43:59]:
Very empty. But then I think when your life is all about one thing and you don't have a holistic approach to everything else, which is friendship and family and your health and all the other things, I think it's very easy to get caught up and be insecure and then put all your eggs in one basket where it's about my lips, about my hair, it's about my finances, my insurance, my house, and everything is as a result of, like, I want to do this. So other people say something about it, and I get something as a result of that person's opinion that is so short lived, and it is empty. And then I ask myself, why am I not able to follow through? Why can't I be consistent? I'm an energetic guy. I have passion. I take care of myself. I have drive. Why can't I follow through?
Eldar [01:44:45]:
It's like I have all the things.
Phillip [01:44:46]:
That they say that you need this fucking mental block. And I'm like, look at your fucking.
Eldar [01:44:51]:
Social butterfly over here on the fucking pod, stringing all these words together in such a cohesive, good way for everybody to understand. When you get on the phone, you eat your fucking tail every time like a bitch.
Phillip [01:45:01]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:45:02]:
You know what I'm saying?
Eldar [01:45:03]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:45:04]:
So to me, I'm like, wow, I'm getting to learn all this stuff as a result of it. Have people point out what's going wrong, what's not, but still be able to be myself and keep moving forward as.
Eldar [01:45:16]:
A result of it.
Phillip [01:45:17]:
Where before, if you're around somebody who's mentoring you or talking to you, and they're talking down to you and they're trying to control you in a way. You can't ever be truly free.
Eldar [01:45:25]:
No, you can't.
Phillip [01:45:26]:
So then the goal is always then as a result of their behavior to you and you accepting that behavior, you want to try to outdo them or you want to try to be subservient to this person and it doesn't become about you anymore. That's why it's so easy to lose yourself in these situations where you're getting controlled because you don't have the strength to be yourself and you're subjected to the other person's behavior and you become an accessory to this person. People will probably say this, women will probably say this in relationships, maybe even men, but probably mostly women. But even working, when you're working for somebody and you're not able to stick up for yourself, I think it's very easy to fall victim to their type of personality. And that carries on to you and you lose your essence.
Eldar [01:46:10]:
That's right.
Phillip [01:46:10]:
And that is inherently sad and depressing.
Eldar [01:46:13]:
Wow, does that make sense?
Eldar [01:46:15]:
And you should quit.
Phillip [01:46:16]:
And you should quit immediately.
Eldar [01:46:18]:
Immediately, yeah. What you're talking about, you just described a sim.
Phillip [01:46:24]:
But you know what is tough to find? It's tough to find, like, if you're in a business setting, this is the first one that I ever found that is conducive to these type of conversations on a consistent basis, not just once a week. We talk about this all the time.
Eldar [01:46:39]:
I mean, every day.
Phillip [01:46:41]:
But I think when you tie this type of behavior and mindset to business, I think life coaches maybe kind of touch on it in a sense, and it's getting introduced, but I'm kind of off put by maybe some of them. But if there is one that does talk like this the way that we talk on a day to day basis, and they're able to say, hey, listen, the type of conversations we're having now in philosophy, they're not separate from business. They're not separate from your personal relationships with your girlfriend, your wife, your boyfriend, whatever, and with your family. They all are tied. And once I started to associate that these conversations are pretty much, like, tied to everything and not just one part of myself for work. That, to me opened it up, and I think it started with the discipline conversation, then it started to open up into work relationships, talking to girls and how I do everything, and I realized, like, oh, shit, I'm doing a lot of things wrong, and they're all tied to the same belief and same behavior. Just giving everybody else the power and then allowing them to dictate how I.
Eldar [01:47:41]:
Behave and how you feel.
Phillip [01:47:43]:
Yeah, I had no power in my own decision making.
Eldar [01:47:46]:
Listen, if that's what we're about, is to raise awareness that every single person here has their own magic and their own specialty. Exactly. And their own skill and their own power.
Eldar [01:47:57]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:47:58]:
If that's what we're trying to bring out, that's awesome.
Phillip [01:48:01]:
But that's what everybody wants, right at the end of the day. Everybody wants their own individual, unique power.
Eldar [01:48:07]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:48:07]:
Like you said, 100%. You would tell me all the time, and I would say, like, oh, man.
Eldar [01:48:11]:
You never thought you were funny. You never thought you could do this. I'm like, yo, you're a fucking natural. You make us laugh. You know how to do it. You doing it gracefully, being humble with humility and stuff like that. It's like, yeah, I find myself a lot of times for you and for you to convince you of yourself, which is a crazy phenomenon, you know what I mean? That at the moment when you guys are doing it, it is not even.
Eldar [01:48:31]:
Being seen for what it was.
Mike [01:48:33]:
But I think that's the way it's supposed to be.
Eldar [01:48:36]:
I don't think it's just like that.
Mike [01:48:40]:
You'Re saying. I don't know saying it, but it's sort of like you feel like in a way, like, bad that you have to remind us. Like it's a bad thing.
Phillip [01:48:48]:
No, I don't think he's saying that.
Eldar [01:48:50]:
I'm not saying that it's bad.
Phillip [01:48:51]:
No, I don't think he's saying that. He's saying that.
Eldar [01:48:54]:
I'm surprised that you guys don't see it how I see it.
Phillip [01:48:57]:
That's how I got it.
Mike [01:48:59]:
Yeah, I agree with you, but I think that there should be no surprise because of the choices that were made. We are in this place because of the choices that we made.
Phillip [01:49:05]:
Yeah, but he's not saying that because.
Eldar [01:49:06]:
I don't see you for those choices.
Mike [01:49:08]:
Yeah, you don't see us, but you.
Eldar [01:49:10]:
See yourself for the choices. You're still grounded by those choices. I'm speeding ahead to want to bring out the best of you and you.
Phillip [01:49:18]:
But you know what that is, though, elder? That's a reflection of where you are as a person. You are where you are. So if you're coming from a place of where you are, you have a loving relationship, you have great girl in your life, you became the person that you want to become, and you're coming from that place when you're looking at say, me and mike, we want to become that person, that what we want. So you're looking at us through your lens, and you don't see our imperfections, maybe the way that we see or feel them.
Eldar [01:49:48]:
Not feel them. Yeah, I agree with that. But that's what I've come to realize.
Phillip [01:49:53]:
But I see the way that I don't take that as because of the.
Eldar [01:49:56]:
Fact that when we are in this circle right here and we're drinking, maybe having fun or whatever and doing what we like to do, you have the ability to bring out your best you. Your jokes, your humor, you, your honesty, being so humble and stuff like that in your approach and being so open. You don't do that on a day to day basis.
Eldar [01:50:14]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:50:14]:
You introduce a girl on your side, you don't know what the fuck to say. You introduce a professional guy with a tie and a watch, I don't know what to say. You know what I'm saying? You guys lose yourselves.
Eldar [01:50:26]:
Yeah, true.
Eldar [01:50:27]:
I know you know what I'm saying.
Mike [01:50:29]:
But I think that's the way for us currently it is. And that it's supposed to be because of the choices that we made and the belief systems that are tied to that, but nonetheless. So you were trying to promote the best. No, but we have the first untangled stuff.
Eldar [01:50:46]:
I think the problem is I'm not promoting the best. I'm seeing it for what it is now.
Mike [01:50:52]:
So I'm magnifying the moment in the moment.
Eldar [01:50:54]:
Correct.
Eldar [01:50:55]:
The way you living in the past.
Phillip [01:50:57]:
The way that I take it from when Eldar is saying this, is that I'm saying, wow, I can do this, no problem. Yeah, he's pointing it out, coming from that place, just saying this. I'm accepting it.
Eldar [01:51:10]:
Great.
Phillip [01:51:10]:
I'm very grateful for this. And then to me, it's like, that's part of my journey. I'm at the place where I'm going back and forth. One day I may be insecure, another day I can be grateful. But to me, you're rattling the cage.
Eldar [01:51:26]:
Yes, I am.
Phillip [01:51:27]:
So, let's say with Tommy or anybody else, right. If you're not allowing your cage to be ratled, you're going home and you're sitting in your own thoughts, and you're trying to self diagnose yourself, and you're not allowing outside people to come in, criticize, and open up these new ideas. You're never going to get your cage rattled. The humbleness starts when you start to rattle your cage. I'm hearing you talk to me, say something really nice. But then I also know deep down that, yeah, I am struggling with this thing, but that's my individual journey. You don't have to know this. Now we're talking about this, a podcast philosophy podcast.
Phillip [01:51:59]:
But if I'm dealing with this thing, you're telling me that I'm doing something in the moment properly, I can then say, hey, listen, what the fuck is.
Eldar [01:52:06]:
Wrong with you over there?
Phillip [01:52:07]:
What the fuck's wrong with me over there? Now, what does that do? This is now getting me to understand that this guy over here is a loser. He's a loser, and he doesn't have to be, but I can accept him because he was me. I behaved like him. Now I can behave like this guy also. So to me, there is this shift, and when we talk about, that's where.
Eldar [01:52:25]:
The power is, and I feel that power and I know that it exists.
Eldar [01:52:28]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:52:29]:
And I'm going to tell you right.
Eldar [01:52:30]:
Now, nobody can touch it.
Eldar [01:52:31]:
I wholeheartedly believe this, that if you have the ability to express yourself the way you do, this shit is irresistible.
Eldar [01:52:38]:
Right?
Phillip [01:52:39]:
But these shifts, yeah.
Eldar [01:52:41]:
You know what I'm saying? And I hope I have a high regard to this kind of fucking shit. I've been doing this for a while, you know what I'm saying?
Phillip [01:52:47]:
But that's how I look at it. These shifts, the way that I look at them, though they are in amounts of years, okay? So I think when you look at these shifts, the way that I look at it is that when I look at that guy and then I look at you saying something to me, I'm saying, I'm definitely now not in that stalemate situation where I'm going home and I'm just allowing my thoughts to win. I'm being rigid in all this. I'm open to it. I'm now seeing this guy over here to the left and saying, this guy is a fuck. Then I'm saying, this guy over here in the present moment, he's great. I'm being both, but I'm realizing I want to work towards this guy. And I'm realizing that it's going to take reps, it's going to take some time.
Phillip [01:53:23]:
Then I'm understanding, what do I value and then what do I want to do on this journey? While I'm getting to this, I want to spend it with people that I like to spend time with. I don't want to spend it with people that I don't want to spend time with. Simple as that.
Eldar [01:53:35]:
Do you understand that you're the bridge.
Eldar [01:53:37]:
To the fucking common sense.
Eldar [01:53:39]:
Catherine's always asked, like, yo, babe, you got the shit. You guys know what you're saying? But you have to break it down. Fucking basic. He breaks it down.
Mike [01:53:48]:
He breaks it down.
Eldar [01:53:48]:
Very good. Yeah, he does.
Eldar [01:53:50]:
You're the bridge.
Mike [01:53:51]:
Agreed.
Eldar [01:53:51]:
You're the bridge of that world.
Eldar [01:53:53]:
Simple.
Mike [01:53:54]:
You're the hook. Phil, language.
Eldar [01:53:56]:
You're the bait. Yeah, you break it down really well.
Phillip [01:54:00]:
Yeah, but that's the way that I understand.
Eldar [01:54:02]:
No, no, but that's correct.
Phillip [01:54:03]:
All the people that I liked, when we were talking, the last podcast, we talked about Elon Musk and Steve Jobs. Elon Musk, I think, is, like, too smart for, like, Steve Jobs was smart, but when he spoke to me, I feel like he was talking in simple terms. He bridged art and business. And when Elon Musk comes off like that to me, okay.
Eldar [01:54:22]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:54:22]:
So you're definitely more intelligent than me on that level from, like, a technical standpoint, whatever it is, but you have a different level of intelligence.
Eldar [01:54:27]:
I feel the same way, but I didn't study Steve Jobs Steve Jobs as much as I studied Elon Musk.
Phillip [01:54:33]:
So the way that you talk about Musk, I felt about jobs, and I still do. And when I looked at him, I said, I always associated myself as maybe there's some kind of artist or creativity, but I also saw myself as a business person. And then when you combine these, and you can talk to somebody a certain way and influence them, and there's a product, there's a service. I understood what he was trying to do. And when he was talking about computers and bringing them to the masses, like, yo, this guy's just, like, taking these totally complicated concepts and bringing them to people, the masses. And just think, if you told us in 1970s or 80s, they had these rooms, like, these big, crazy computers, and only the smartest people in the world.
Eldar [01:55:15]:
Could actually use them.
Phillip [01:55:16]:
Now you're telling me everybody and their mother has a phone that's a computer, that they walk around with a baby can use an iPad and just watch television or use Siri or whatever. But he found a way to market this and to basically find a way to bring this to the masses. Whether he wasn't the technical person, but he was the conduit. He understood the marketing, sales, and engineering team and the business side. And he's like, I understand him like, the. What did he consider himself? He said that he was the guy who led the orchestra. He was like the conductor. He understood that there was the people who were going to build it.
Phillip [01:55:51]:
There was the business people, behind him. And he was the vision guy. He got it, but he simplified it for me where I was like, yo, this guy's the first business guy where I'm like, he's not money hungry, like, he loves the Beatles and, like, bob Dylan, he's an artist. But he's in the middle, though. And I'm like, I never associated myself with a true artist or a business person. He was the first guy where I was like, yo, I can relate to that. Like, he's like a leader, a manager, and he's kind of understanding all the other people around him. And he loves life.
Phillip [01:56:23]:
And he wanted to create something that was profound at a deep level. And I'm like, yo, this guy's speaking to me. So I listened to his audiobook, and I started to dive deep. I got my mom's getting the apple stock. I got obsessed with it, ultimately.
Eldar [01:56:38]:
Did he empower?
Phillip [01:56:40]:
Would say. I would say he did, but at least I would say, at the very least, he sparked a very deep interest in me.
Eldar [01:56:46]:
Okay?
Phillip [01:56:46]:
Now, if I say maybe it allowed.
Eldar [01:56:49]:
Me to did absolutely nothing with it.
Phillip [01:56:52]:
I would say the trueness is what you just said. What these conversations are doing since I've been here for four months, it's definitely had a more deep impact on my life because I think I'm more open and responsive to it now.
Eldar [01:57:05]:
Well, the thing is, you're actually taking theories and understandings and you're putting them to practice.
Phillip [01:57:11]:
Before, I was only intellectualizing.
Eldar [01:57:13]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:57:14]:
And now, because you're seeing the results behind that stuff, like Mike is too, you're like, holy shit, this can be really profound if you continue doing it.
Eldar [01:57:22]:
Yes.
Phillip [01:57:22]:
That's the difference. Because if you're a routine driven person or you were driven by discipline or whatever that thing was, where you like consistency and you see that. If you're somebody who was, which I was, and I would say am still to routine, when I see something that works, I get addicted to it. Yeah. If I see, like, coffee works, I drink coffee. I like, it hits me instantly.
Eldar [01:57:43]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:57:44]:
I'm like, all right, can I work with this? But I'm like, all right, that's different. Then I'm like, all right. If I can make a call a certain way, if I can listen to somebody a certain way, if I can do this that's giving me, like, a natural momentum, then I'm going home and I'm realizing, yo, I'm looking to see if we got quotes. I'm waking up at like, six, seven in the morning. I'm texting elder to ask for different types of questions that customers are having. I'm like, yo, I think I'm really liking my job.
Eldar [01:58:07]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:58:07]:
I'm like, yo, I like this.
Eldar [01:58:09]:
Now.
Phillip [01:58:09]:
It's not only just the people that I like now I'm liking the process. I'm looking forward to lunch and all the people that I like. I'm looking forward to the podcast the weekend. And I'm looking forward to coming in on Monday and looking at my emails and getting to work. That's fucking pretty cool.
Eldar [01:58:24]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:58:25]:
That's everything I wanted and I'm getting it now. Now the money thing, I can trust that. I think it's going to happen eventually, but I don't have to rush it.
Eldar [01:58:34]:
Inevitable.
Eldar [01:58:34]:
Inevitable. Yeah.
Phillip [01:58:36]:
Now I'm enjoying the process.
Eldar [01:58:38]:
The way you're saying it. The house in Alpine is inevitable, inevitable, yeah.
Phillip [01:58:43]:
And now I don't have to obsess after I go to whole foods and drive around the neighborhoods and do a bunch of pissy stuff.
Eldar [01:58:49]:
One day we have to kick that door down and be like, yo, you live here? Get the fuck out.
Phillip [01:58:54]:
Piss it right down.
Eldar [01:58:55]:
Get him out of here. Get this guy out of here. All right, before we do the final thoughts, what do you guys think that we should ask them to be able to advertise our stuff? Should we tell them $500,000 on each episode to advertise their whiskey or.
Eldar [01:59:07]:
No.
Phillip [01:59:09]:
If we're talking about it the way that we're talking about and coming up with these profound thoughts, it's got to be minimum in the five figure realm. Six figure is these liquor companies have billions of dollars to market.
Eldar [01:59:23]:
Correct.
Eldar [01:59:24]:
You know what I'm saying? Because it's inevitable for this to go viral one day and for them to.
Eldar [01:59:29]:
Make money off of it.
Eldar [01:59:30]:
Yeah.
Phillip [01:59:30]:
So it's like you want to build on us. They should get stages.
Eldar [01:59:34]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:59:35]:
For us to be under a million dollars to be able.
Eldar [01:59:37]:
It's a bargain. Yeah, I agree.
Eldar [01:59:41]:
I think I'm going to reach out to them to say, oh, can you give me $10,000 for me to put your fucking ad on this fucking thing? You think I'm going to do that? I have no time for that.
Mike [01:59:50]:
No.
Eldar [01:59:51]:
What the fuck?
Eldar [01:59:52]:
It's got to be 500,000, Mike.
Eldar [01:59:56]:
Why are you looking into abyss? Say something. Think about it.
Eldar [02:00:00]:
I'm thinking about it.
Phillip [02:00:02]:
So where my head goes is that.
Mike [02:00:04]:
I'm not even sure what kind of number to put on it. Thank you.
Eldar [02:00:07]:
Now you gave me a compliment.
Mike [02:00:09]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:00:10]:
I would say that the conversation that I am aware of is how these go is that it's subscriber based. Now, if we're talking about what we're talking about, I think the kind of person that we're going to attract is where my head goes. Is that how you attracted me? Is what you typed in 2019 on the ad that got me? So I think the traditional route is saying nowadays with this podcast, how I understand it is that you have X amount of subscribers, and then there's X amount of subscribers will translate to X amount of ads and X amount of viewership and money. And there's a calculation. Everyone's different, but I think it's like universal. There's some type of exchange this way. I'm thinking that the way that we're presenting this information, I think it's connecting with a certain type of individual that's going to have a belief in us at these stages where we might not have the subscriber numbers, but we are saying things at a level that are on a different plane that other people are going to eventually relate to, and we're skewing it to the future of what it will be. And you're buying into what's going to be.
Phillip [02:01:17]:
And you'll get us at a discounted.
Eldar [02:01:18]:
Price, 100% discounted price is what, Mike?
Eldar [02:01:22]:
I don't know.
Eldar [02:01:23]:
$2 million, you said?
Mike [02:01:24]:
No, I think it's hard. I think the number is difficult.
Eldar [02:01:27]:
See, you see this?
Eldar [02:01:28]:
See?
Phillip [02:01:29]:
I don't know the number.
Eldar [02:01:29]:
He's a numbers guy.
Phillip [02:01:30]:
I don't know the number either.
Eldar [02:01:31]:
He's a numbers guy.
Mike [02:01:32]:
I don't know if there's ever going.
Eldar [02:01:33]:
To be told me that 500,000 is too little.
Mike [02:01:35]:
I don't think there's ever going to be a number that's going to be like. That's going to justify Beast the product.
Eldar [02:01:42]:
You guys said it.
Eldar [02:01:44]:
$2 million minimum. That's cheap, bro. That's cheap, bro.
Eldar [02:01:48]:
Yeah, I like it. Those heights.
Phillip [02:01:53]:
Now, if we're talking about alpine, realistically, what are we talking about combined with. I need to have multiple sources of income. If I have this, I'll eventually make commissions here, my insurance, I'll have investments and then I have this four or five different investment streams.
Eldar [02:02:06]:
Those individuals will have the ability for you to invite them once in a while.
Eldar [02:02:10]:
Don't talk to.
Phillip [02:02:15]:
Yeah, we're definitely onto something.
Eldar [02:02:19]:
That's a minimum. Minimum.
Eldar [02:02:21]:
No, I don't know, Mike.
Eldar [02:02:22]:
You have to make the calls on Monday.
Eldar [02:02:24]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:02:24]:
You say you have nothing to do.
Eldar [02:02:25]:
I think so.
Eldar [02:02:26]:
He has to pick up the call and call corporate.
Eldar [02:02:28]:
This is it.
Eldar [02:02:29]:
Investor relations.
Phillip [02:02:30]:
This guy, okay. This guy right here, credit card master, understands how points and all these analytical things work. He's the sales guy for you.
Eldar [02:02:39]:
Take.
Phillip [02:02:39]:
If you want to take this mind after he has to do what he has to do, you want to come over here, and if you have x amount of time that you have to fill, I think it would be strategizing. Coming up with the plan of who we are, creating all these intros that, Dennis, we're giving you a lot. I'm giving you personally a lot of credit and saying, I think you do a great job on the intros, where we can bottle these up, put these into a little package, and then put it into an email or put it into business sheet, whatever you want to call it.
Eldar [02:03:07]:
A PowerPoint presentation. PowerPoint for the people from the 90s.
Phillip [02:03:10]:
Yeah, business plan, PowerPoint, whatever you want to call it. And then Mike can then start to make phone calls, say, XYZ. We do this. This here. Take a listen of our intros. Take a look at what we do, how much we post, what we talk about, who we are, and then why we think that your brand would be good for.
Eldar [02:03:30]:
What on us.
Eldar [02:03:31]:
How come you didn't hear about us?
Eldar [02:03:33]:
There you go.
Phillip [02:03:34]:
And our subtitle is the Dennis Rocks, the best podcast you never heard of.
Eldar [02:03:40]:
Holy shit.
Eldar [02:03:41]:
You remembered it. Yeah.
Phillip [02:03:43]:
So, best podcast you never heard of. Want to be a part of this? It's very easy to market, very easy to talk to us.
Eldar [02:03:48]:
We're easy guys.
Eldar [02:03:48]:
We're business guys.
Phillip [02:03:49]:
Look, we have a business.
Eldar [02:03:50]:
We do.
Phillip [02:03:51]:
We're not just like hippie guys who are trying to start a podcast. We're real guys. We have a real business. On a day to day basis, 99% of the time, we're doing this. One day a week, we're doing this, and a scheduled time frame every time. Every week, we're consistent. We have a new time.
Eldar [02:04:05]:
We can do this every week, every day of the week, and we can.
Phillip [02:04:08]:
Do this every day of the week or multiple times, whatever.
Eldar [02:04:10]:
Easy.
Mike [02:04:10]:
We could do it every day.
Phillip [02:04:12]:
We can add a visual component. We can put the bottle right here, or whatever you want us to talk.
Eldar [02:04:17]:
Whatever you want us to do for.
Phillip [02:04:19]:
That to market, it will be open.
Eldar [02:04:21]:
To the world of podcasts. Don't understand what podcasting was.
Eldar [02:04:24]:
We had a tomcast today. We had a tomcast.
Phillip [02:04:27]:
If we're able to break guys like.
Eldar [02:04:29]:
That open, you got to understand that. Today, I realized that being grateful is not something to be.
Eldar [02:04:37]:
It's something to earn.
Eldar [02:04:39]:
And that came from Mike. You understand this or no?
Phillip [02:04:43]:
You're not just writing things.
Eldar [02:04:44]:
You understand that people in the world are being misled.
Eldar [02:04:48]:
They kept saying that you should be grateful. How you understand that's debunked.
Eldar [02:04:54]:
You don't have the ability to be grateful, my man. And the reason why you can't be grateful is because X, y and z, you don't deserve to be grateful, bro.
Phillip [02:05:04]:
Being grateful is a result of all the things that you've become on the virtue standpoint, allowing all these things to come into play.
Eldar [02:05:12]:
You understand this or no?
Phillip [02:05:13]:
Somebody can't just go to Tony Robbins or these kind of guru, be grateful.
Eldar [02:05:18]:
These motherfuckers keep using this word. Just be grateful.
Eldar [02:05:20]:
Yeah. What? It's not correct?
Phillip [02:05:22]:
No, it's not correct.
Eldar [02:05:23]:
It's not correct.
Phillip [02:05:24]:
You can't truly be grateful in that stage.
Eldar [02:05:26]:
That's right. You have to earn it. You have to earn to be grateful.
Eldar [02:05:30]:
What the fuck?
Phillip [02:05:31]:
Just like, you have to earn the ability to then say, like, I want to be truly rich or truly wealthy, not just money. Like what you were saying. You need the mental before the money.
Eldar [02:05:43]:
Holy says this all, and I believe this.
Phillip [02:05:45]:
When you guys said this to me, I stuck with me, and I said, yeah, I can technically have the money, but I'm going to be a total nut.
Eldar [02:05:51]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:05:51]:
So now you're already a total nut. You have the license plate.
Eldar [02:05:54]:
Exactly.
Phillip [02:05:54]:
I have a total nut license plate. And I am. So now I'm realizing that if I do want to get it the way.
Eldar [02:06:00]:
That I want to get it, that.
Phillip [02:06:03]:
I have to put that to the side, and I have to say, hey, I want to pursue this correctly, or.
Eldar [02:06:08]:
You'Re going to become a schizophrenic.
Phillip [02:06:09]:
I'm going to be a total nut.
Eldar [02:06:10]:
Total nut.
Phillip [02:06:11]:
A total nut?
Eldar [02:06:11]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:06:12]:
Like a bad one. Not a funny one.
Eldar [02:06:14]:
Yeah, no, bad one. Right now you're funny, but you can be bad.
Phillip [02:06:17]:
It could go either way, though. Yeah, that's definitely powerful. So to look at this and say that grateful is something that you earn, and it's not just something that I can write down or just think that I can just say, just be grateful. You cannot do this in the state.
Eldar [02:06:35]:
No. If your arrogant ass is complaining nonstop every day, there's no ability to be grateful.
Phillip [02:06:42]:
It's a series of events that it unlocks a character trait in you that you do not get. Unless you go through levels 12345.
Eldar [02:06:52]:
That's right.
Phillip [02:06:52]:
Then all of a sudden, at five, you're like, hey, you're allowed to be grateful now. You granted this option.
Eldar [02:06:58]:
Yes.
Phillip [02:06:58]:
When you're at level one, if you're trying to be grateful, it's not genuine. And I definitely have felt this firsthand. Oh, creating vision board.
Eldar [02:07:07]:
Grateful, none.
Phillip [02:07:08]:
I want this. God, please give me $100,000. I can fucking do this. And it's like, thanks so much. No, I'm saying all these words, and even if I want this thing, it's coming from a place of lack. And I'm not truly believing it because I didn't get to level five yet. And level five is saying, hey, be humble. Stop thinking that you're correct, and stop thinking that you can self diagnose yourself when you're sick.
Eldar [02:07:35]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:07:36]:
Once you admit all these things, you allow other people that are hopefully true, people that you can associate and say, hey, I'm going to allow myself to be open to criticism and open to change. And then all of a sudden, I can start to see some positive results, like how I'm becoming as a person. And then I can be like, wow, I don't have to think about being grateful. Grateful then presents itself as a thought. And then I can say, oh, I can attach myself, or I can look at this thought and be open to it and say, wow. Now I have the ability to be grateful because I got to this level, and it becomes this thing that is now a part of you. Now you can choose to participate, and Tommy is a perfect example today of somebody who chose to participate in this thing, which is arrogance to the side. Now I'm able to be grateful for the friends that I have.
Eldar [02:08:28]:
Wow.
Phillip [02:08:29]:
Now, whether he truly believes this or not, I think it was a real moment for him. I think it was a breakthrough for him. Whether he follows through is a whole nother conversation. But I think we have to give him credit today.
Eldar [02:08:39]:
We have to give him credit for today.
Phillip [02:08:40]:
For the moment, I say number one breakthrough that he's had since I've known him.
Eldar [02:08:44]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:08:44]:
But I also think that nothing's going to come out of now, listen, I think to be good friends is to, like Mike said, remind him and remember this moment and keep coming back to it, because obviously he will forget. If we can do right by him, we should.
Phillip [02:09:05]:
He definitely said some stuff, though.
Eldar [02:09:06]:
He did.
Eldar [02:09:07]:
Yeah, he did. I just hope that it continues.
Phillip [02:09:09]:
I keep reiterating it again, but I know that I always ask you guys, and I'm saying Tommy doesn't talk about his past that much. And you're like, because he doesn't like to talk about his past. Because whether he's ashamed of it or he hasn't accepted it fully. He talked about his past today and stuff that's bothering him, and I was like, oh, that was surprising. He started to talk about things that he did not like. He talked about drinking, smoking, and other stuff that he does not talk about. That's right. My ears perked up and I was like, oh, man, I think he's actually talking to me.
Eldar [02:09:40]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:09:41]:
This is the first day where I actually did not feel like he was just, like, talking. And I had to look at you guys and say, like, hey, what the.
Eldar [02:09:49]:
Fuck is going on?
Phillip [02:09:50]:
I actually was like, yo, I think that guy's actually saying words with, there's a person inside. I think he gave us his person today.
Eldar [02:09:57]:
Yes, I agree. Yeah.
Eldar [02:09:58]:
Yeah, he gave us Tom Tom. Yes, I'll take it.
Phillip [02:10:02]:
Yeah, he gave us something today.
Eldar [02:10:04]:
No, for sure.
Phillip [02:10:05]:
But, yeah, if we have to push him back to a certain point where he's maybe losing himself at any given time, this is definitely a good reflection point for sure.
Eldar [02:10:18]:
But, yeah, we have to buy this whiskey in bulk.
Eldar [02:10:21]:
Holy shit.
Mike [02:10:22]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:10:24]:
Everything that else we did. The pina grigio was great. The gummy was great, caffeine. But this, it kicked me into a different overdrive, like, where my mind just started to calm.
Eldar [02:10:36]:
Mike, you have to call them.
Phillip [02:10:37]:
But then, boom, there's fireworks. There's calm fireworks going out of my brain.
Eldar [02:10:43]:
What the fuck?
Phillip [02:10:44]:
Does that make sense?
Eldar [02:10:45]:
Yes.
Eldar [02:10:45]:
I'm going to write this down right now. Calm fireworks.
Eldar [02:10:48]:
Yes, there are calm, calm fireworks firing off right now.
Phillip [02:10:54]:
It's coming from a state of wisdom, but there is something like, there's a relaxation built into it.
Mike [02:11:02]:
The calm fireworks is actually direct depiction of when you tap into, I guess, that true power, that soul, the truth of the universe.
Eldar [02:11:14]:
Yes.
Mike [02:11:15]:
That is the direct depiction of fireworks.
Eldar [02:11:18]:
How do you feel right now?
Mike [02:11:18]:
And they're very calm.
Phillip [02:11:20]:
There's nothing right now that I want or need. And I'm just totally. I'm totally content with being sunken on this couch, drinking this whiskey. You can slap me in the face right now. Yeah, I'd be like, totally fine with it. You're really good at slapping in the face.
Eldar [02:11:38]:
No.
Eldar [02:11:38]:
You will practice turning the other cheek like Jesus did. Can you believe what you're going towards?
Eldar [02:11:43]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:11:44]:
If I got slapped in the face.
Eldar [02:11:45]:
I'd be like, you know how to.
Phillip [02:11:46]:
One of the best face slappers in the world. Thank you. Maybe I needed this. Who knows?
Eldar [02:11:53]:
Fine.
Phillip [02:11:53]:
But the point is, I agree to turn the other cheek.
Eldar [02:11:57]:
I've never heard an advertisement of this.
Phillip [02:11:59]:
Caliber ever, this ever this level of calm fireworks.
Eldar [02:12:04]:
Yes.
Phillip [02:12:05]:
Now we have to give ourselves credit. Obviously.
Eldar [02:12:09]:
That's why they have not arrogant $5 million. The more we speak right now, the more the price is going up.
Phillip [02:12:15]:
Listen, the way that million.
Eldar [02:12:16]:
Mike, you said too little elder.
Phillip [02:12:19]:
The way that people talk about money nowadays and what things cost, this shit is irrelevant. When we say 5 million, this is not a number that is crazy unattainable to these companies. These companies want to be heard, to.
Mike [02:12:34]:
Do it other way around. We have to interview them and see if they're worthy to pay us.
Eldar [02:12:37]:
Holy.
Eldar [02:12:38]:
That's it.
Mike [02:12:38]:
I said it. That's it.
Eldar [02:12:39]:
That's it. Mike is done.
Mike [02:12:40]:
I'm done.
Eldar [02:12:41]:
He's going to reach out and say, yo, whether or not you're worthy of what the fuck we're.
Mike [02:12:45]:
That's the way I look at it. Because we can't put a price on the wisdom, on the philosophy, the stuff that we're talking about, the stuff that we're tapping into. It can't be a number.
Eldar [02:12:52]:
Mike's a number guy and he's finance guy. I I agree with him.
Phillip [02:12:55]:
I'm looking to see.
Eldar [02:12:56]:
Yeah, I agree with him 100%. You can't put a number on.
Mike [02:12:59]:
You can't put a number on. So they have to actually, in order to work with us, they have to line up with us and they have to pay us obscene amount of money. We don't even need the money just so we can just say, fuck you. We have this money.
Eldar [02:13:10]:
We have this money. And now we're going to do right by it.
Eldar [02:13:12]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:13:12]:
We're going to do right by them. Holy shit. If you want to cleanse your fucking sins, you have to work with us.
Eldar [02:13:19]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:13:19]:
If you're a company.
Eldar [02:13:20]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:13:21]:
We have to find the dirtiest company, Mike.
Eldar [02:13:22]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:13:24]:
You guys are pissing around.
Eldar [02:13:25]:
Yes.
Phillip [02:13:26]:
You went the woke route. You went the fucking whatever route just because you thought it was going to resonate.
Eldar [02:13:31]:
Hey, guys, it doesn't resonate.
Phillip [02:13:32]:
Mic check ready. You have to do what is true to you. If you're a true pisser, we'll just expose you for being a pisser, but you're going to accept it, and then people are going to see how real you are as a result of accepting it.
Eldar [02:13:44]:
That's right.
Phillip [02:13:44]:
We're going to help you do this.
Eldar [02:13:45]:
We'll help you. That's okay. Just give us money and we're going.
Eldar [02:13:49]:
To use it properly.
Phillip [02:13:50]:
I'm going to use it properly because.
Eldar [02:13:51]:
You can't use it properly.
Phillip [02:13:54]:
We'll show you what it looks like.
Eldar [02:13:56]:
To do it, the right thing.
Phillip [02:13:57]:
You'll give it to us, and we will mentor you and how to handle the money 100%. And then we'll show you what the message looks like. We're going to be your in house copywriters. Allow us to take you on this journey.
Eldar [02:14:08]:
Nobody.
Eldar [02:14:09]:
Allow us. Yeah.
Phillip [02:14:10]:
You're providing us with resources.
Eldar [02:14:11]:
Mike said that it's not a matter of allowing. It's a matter of interviewing them.
Mike [02:14:15]:
We're going to interview them.
Eldar [02:14:16]:
Give us a PowerPoint presentation that's a thousand pages long to show us why you're worth it. Why are you worthy of Mike even listening to you?
Eldar [02:14:24]:
Yeah. What? I like it. That's the way I see it. Oh, wow. No, Phil.
Eldar [02:14:29]:
Wrong choice of words.
Eldar [02:14:30]:
I like it. All right, I got to go.
Eldar [02:14:34]:
So let's do the final thought.
Eldar [02:14:36]:
Let's do it. Mike, 10:00 a.m.. Tomorrow. So, Mike, 10:00 a.m. 10:00 a.m.. Tomorrow.
Mike [02:14:47]:
Still Phil.
Eldar [02:14:47]:
Let's do it. Phil's Phil.
Eldar [02:14:49]:
Mike. Yes?
Eldar [02:14:55]:
When we started this, you said something really good.
Eldar [02:14:57]:
Oh, yeah, he did. Yeah.
Eldar [02:15:02]:
So why people can't be grateful. Can't harvest energy from being grateful. Can't see things for what they are.
Eldar [02:15:10]:
Can't be in the moment. Yeah. Finish.
Mike [02:15:12]:
I think all those cool concepts, they're.
Eldar [02:15:15]:
Very hard to attain, because you don't get the gift of gratefulness without doing the work.
Mike [02:15:23]:
The work.
Eldar [02:15:24]:
Wow. Yeah.
Mike [02:15:24]:
And the work is the basic stuff, okay? Kindness, consideration, respect, compassion. Those are little things. But combine those things, and now you have the gift of gratefulness.
Eldar [02:15:36]:
That's the way, Philip. It's like, when you look at it.
Phillip [02:15:42]:
Like the way that Mike says it, right?
Eldar [02:15:44]:
Yeah, that's the true version.
Phillip [02:15:46]:
Think of the other things that we were talking about with the other people. The clothes, the botox, all this stuff. Yes, they might be meaning, well, trying to connect and trying to do all these things, but as a result of them going the cheap route, you are paying for this. Literally, you're paying for these services, and then literally, you're paying with your life and your time, and you are falsely putting yourself in a false sense of security with people that you think that you are genuinely connecting with. When there is no level of connection.
Eldar [02:16:19]:
You are connecting on air, and you.
Phillip [02:16:21]:
Are yearning for this thing, but you have to go that route, because we agreed that you have to hit your rock bottom, and you have to hit this thing to then fully be able to then have true gratitude or move towards gratitude, because you are.
Mike [02:16:37]:
Well, the rock bottom makes you hit humility, right?
Phillip [02:16:40]:
Makes you hit humility. And as a result of 12345 levels, I think level one, we agree, is humility. And you can't get to level five and get the opportunity to have gratitude unless you have true humility. Somebody who. That gets inherited something or somebody who is just naturally in a state of arrogance and pride. This person cannot fully experience gratitude. He can pray, he can give to charity. You know, many philanthropic, billionaire nonsense people there are.
Phillip [02:17:10]:
They are doing this for tax breaks and because they think maybe it's the right thing to do.
Eldar [02:17:14]:
So they can go to heaven.
Phillip [02:17:15]:
They can go to heaven. They do not ever take the true ride themselves.
Eldar [02:17:19]:
Holy.
Phillip [02:17:20]:
And the true ride is asking your true self, hey, yo, what am I.
Eldar [02:17:25]:
What doing? Fuck.
Phillip [02:17:26]:
All the people around them are probably. Yes people.
Eldar [02:17:28]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:17:28]:
They are not ever told no once in their life. And they have never had to actually go.
Eldar [02:17:33]:
Might get killed. I'll be honest with you, they never.
Phillip [02:17:35]:
Had to go deep.
Mike [02:17:36]:
Sacrifice them.
Eldar [02:17:37]:
We don't have to sacrifice them. They're going to come for him, bro.
Phillip [02:17:40]:
But they never had to go deep. These people.
Eldar [02:17:42]:
Yeah.
Phillip [02:17:42]:
So these people are allowed to run amok.
Eldar [02:17:45]:
Wow.
Phillip [02:17:45]:
Get given all these things. And all the things that they get given resources wise, fuels their non truth mindset into non truth behavior. And they are the people that are poisoning the water supply and fucking taking advantage of their health care and doing all these bad things are the people. These people are bad. They have bad mindsets. In order for these people to change, they literally need to have their brains rewired.
Mike [02:18:13]:
That's why they need to. We have to verify them.
Phillip [02:18:16]:
Yeah, they need to get verified. So these people.
Eldar [02:18:19]:
Hey, listen, you want to go to.
Phillip [02:18:20]:
Church, you want to cleanse yourself, you give us the finances, we will do right with it, and then we will cleanse your name slowly but surely. If you just sit in the back.
Eldar [02:18:28]:
Burner, don't say a fuck and don't say a word.
Phillip [02:18:31]:
You don't allow to talk anymore. Your marketing is our marketing now.
Eldar [02:18:34]:
That's right.
Phillip [02:18:35]:
You shut up, give us the money, and then you'll be able to still.
Eldar [02:18:38]:
Be at your house.
Phillip [02:18:39]:
Your house in the Hamptons.
Eldar [02:18:40]:
You still have it.
Phillip [02:18:41]:
You'll be able to add to it, but you shut up and you go to it.
Eldar [02:18:45]:
You're disgusting.
Phillip [02:18:45]:
You wear Louis Vuitton and Gucci. You still do it, but you're a disgusting person. You shut up. You disgusting person.
Eldar [02:18:54]:
You shut up.
Phillip [02:18:55]:
And then you give it to us. And eventually, if you shut up enough, we'll allow you to swim in your pool with a regular. Just regular, non, non brand.
Eldar [02:19:04]:
And we might hear squeak once in a while.
Eldar [02:19:06]:
Yeah, but you shut up.
Eldar [02:19:08]:
But you might have some disgusting things to say.
Eldar [02:19:10]:
Yeah, but you shut up. Holy shit. You guys said a lot. Holy shit.
Mike [02:19:16]:
Wow.
Eldar [02:19:17]:
These guys, they don't understand what Philip's coming for, yo.
Eldar [02:19:21]:
Yeah, they're done.
Phillip [02:19:22]:
As I'm slowly discovering who I am, I like it. And I'm like, I'm okay with being a little bit of a.
Mike [02:19:32]:
That's part of it.
Eldar [02:19:33]:
That's part of it, bro.
Mike [02:19:35]:
You're going against the grain of the whole know, like, you're corrupting the youth. You're doing everything.
Eldar [02:19:41]:
I have a vivid memory.
Phillip [02:19:42]:
So my friends.
Eldar [02:19:45]:
They had this apartment.
Phillip [02:19:46]:
In Englewood, and they would run these poker games and stuff. It was a very funky bunch. And one night, they all did mushrooms together.
Eldar [02:19:54]:
Oh, shit.
Mike [02:19:55]:
While play poker.
Phillip [02:19:56]:
No, they weren't.
Eldar [02:19:57]:
Okay.
Phillip [02:19:57]:
They were just on the poker table, and they were in the same house, and they were doing this. And I didn't do mushrooms at the time, but they were telling me that when they were on mushrooms, they felt, like, the way that they were talking to me, that I was actually on mushrooms, because I understood them when they were on mushrooms.
Eldar [02:20:14]:
Wow.
Phillip [02:20:14]:
This is the way that they were talking to me.
Eldar [02:20:15]:
Wow.
Phillip [02:20:15]:
And my friends always said this when they would get fucked up, was that when I was sober, that I would understand them when they were fucked up. And I took this like a compliment. I liked it. But where I'm going with this is that there was a girl that was at the party that I remember. I don't remember if she was on mushrooms or not. She was a spanish girl. She was very, very cute, and we had a cool connection, and she put on a laptop, and she played this documentary called the Zeitgeist. This guy, I don't know who his name is.
Phillip [02:20:40]:
He's a documentary guy, and Peter Joseph is actually his name. He has an Instagram. And it was a documentary about a couple of things. It was about the truth of the world with banking and finance and how it worked, religion and something else. And I remember I watched this documentary. It piqued my interest because it literally took the veil off of what I thought money was and how it was explained to me and taught in school and by my family and all this stuff, and then how religion was taught and then how 911 was perceived, all these things. Now, some could be conspiracy, some not. But the point is that it was the first time that I understood that you can think differently and it could be accepted even if it was a very small percentage of people.
Eldar [02:21:26]:
Okay.
Phillip [02:21:26]:
And it was a very profound feeling where I felt this thing very deep. And as a result of not having enough confidence in myself to kind of maybe put that into something, I just kind of had it in my head, but I was never able to express it consistently to my group. Now, my friends are cool. I could talk to my friends like this, but to me, you have to, as an individual, be able to be strong enough to be okay with criticism and rejection. And if you're not, I don't think that you can truly have a controversial thought and carry that out. Now, I'm somebody who I would say was probably an insecure, non confident type person. So my actual body and foundation did not allow my thoughts to be carried consistently without other people that I felt comfortable with.
Eldar [02:22:15]:
Yeah. Okay.
Phillip [02:22:15]:
Now that I'm getting more confident, I think that those thoughts can then be conveyed more consistently on a day to day basis without having other people to then maybe have to coddle me or tell me it's okay. Yeah, but when you're okay with going against the norm, everything else, you can say fuck you, and then I don't care.
Eldar [02:22:32]:
That's right.
Phillip [02:22:33]:
And your insecurities then start to diminish and then you can start to see the truth for what it is. And if you're a person who values the truth, which I think we all do, then you don't have to worry about what the other person says. You can be okay with being in that discomfort.
Eldar [02:22:47]:
That's right.
Phillip [02:22:47]:
Now fast forward to me, you're the bad guy now.
Eldar [02:22:51]:
I know, right?
Phillip [02:22:53]:
You're the person that is saying, hey, am I allowing myself to still be in this state or am I allowing the other person to dictate? Like, how is it going?
Eldar [02:23:02]:
Yes.
Phillip [02:23:03]:
So to me, the gig is up.
Eldar [02:23:05]:
Time to become leaders. The gig is up for those individuals who, like you said, have the ability to now think, reason and critically think. For the other people who don't exactly.
Eldar [02:23:15]:
Been lining up, it's over for them. That's it. With that being said, that's our final thoughts.
Eldar [02:23:21]:
Let's go fuck shit up like we always been.
Eldar [02:23:24]:
If you hurt us, support us, and.
Eldar [02:23:27]:
Whatever else needs to be said but that kind of shit. Kawabanka, holy shit. That was great. Thank you guys.
84. Unpacking Gratitude: Finding Wealth in Friendship and the Noble Self
Aug 25, 2023•2 hr 24 min•Ep. 84
Episode description
How come some people stray away from being grateful, forget to be grateful, and all the other why's...why so many people can't do it?
The episode delves into the complexities of humility and vulnerability. Tommy's aversion to being labeled as wise leads to a conversation about the value of vulnerability and how it balances with confidence and creativity. The team contemplates the impactful moments of personal growth, discussing hitting rock bottom to appreciate life's simplicities, and the episode questions the impact of arrogance on gratefulness. In a shift to business talk, the hosts debate the podcast's advertising strategy, with Eldar and Phillip discussing brand integrity and the significance of an audience. The discussion rounds out with the cycle of personal development and the power of gratitude, reflecting on fashion as a form of connection or status, and concluding with the group's recognition of Tommy's growth and the supportive dynamic among the participants. Listeners are left with rich insights into the interplay between personal growth, relationships, and gratitude.
Transcript
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