68. Hope vs. Action: Empowerment in Everyday Life

Eldar [00:00:00]:
On this week's episode. What's daydreaming, though?

Mike [00:00:02]:
What you do all the time.

Eldar [00:00:04]:
I'd like to be a person who's in more control and empowered to be able to change their own reality or do something about it versus just being hopeful of it.

Anatoliy [00:00:14]:
Hi.

Mike [00:00:15]:
I don't care what kind of day you're having, but I hope you buy it from me.

Eldar [00:00:17]:
It's a status quo now, so if you're not polite, please, thank you and goodbye. Is weird. You know what I'm saying? You're weird.

Mike [00:00:25]:
Nobody really cares.

Eldar [00:00:37]:
How about this? Daydreaming about shit versus hoping for shit. What's the difference?

James [00:00:42]:
Daydreaming.

Eldar [00:00:43]:
Daydreaming about shit. Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:00:48]:
Nice little tune.

Mike [00:00:49]:
I didn't really learn how to play the tuba.

Eldar [00:00:50]:
Yeah. I didn't know you had an invisible tuba attached to your throat. You know what I'm talking about? Dennis is here. He's not sleeping. Yeah.

James [00:01:05]:
Daydreaming versus hoping.

Eldar [00:01:07]:
Yeah.

James [00:01:08]:
I'm not sure.

Eldar [00:01:08]:
What's the difference? I don't know. What's daydreaming, though.

Mike [00:01:12]:
What you do all the time?

Eldar [00:01:14]:
Well, yeah. How about question when you get.

Mike [00:01:18]:
When you get a blank stare, you just stare into the.

James [00:01:20]:
When your mind wanders, I guess.

Anatoliy [00:01:22]:
Into where, though?

James [00:01:24]:
Mind wandering.

Mike [00:01:26]:
And so whatever subject you want to wander in, if you need a four letter word, I'll give it to you.

Eldar [00:01:33]:
Damn. Yo, yo, he's trying to bury the kid. Yo. He said he's not 185. Yeah, but when he will be, he'll fucking make fun of your ass.

Anatoliy [00:01:44]:
Water buffalo.

Eldar [00:01:46]:
Water buffalo.

James [00:01:49]:
So what was the correlation you were trying to make with daydreaming?

Eldar [00:01:52]:
Well, dreaming. You know how you say, like, I just don't think that dreaming, like, we use that word so often nowadays. Yeah. So, like, you were trying to do a correlation between hoping and dreaming. So I was like, maybe daydreaming is closer to hoping. Right.

James [00:02:09]:
Then using the word dream, if you're making that correlation, that means people are just, when they hope their minds is wandering, they're daydreaming like they're in the abyss when they project.

Anatoliy [00:02:21]:
Yeah, I definitely done.

Eldar [00:02:24]:
You're very familiar with this.

James [00:02:26]:
This guy.

Eldar [00:02:26]:
Yes. Of this activity?

Anatoliy [00:02:28]:
Yeah. Yeah.

Eldar [00:02:30]:
So that's that.

Anatoliy [00:02:31]:
Yeah. I was asking, like, if you're. If you've sided with whether hope is bad or good.

Eldar [00:02:36]:
Yeah. I would like to be careful with the word hope, with hope in general. You know what I mean? Being hopeful and wishing other people to be hopeful in certain instances. Yeah. I'd want to be careful because what I've learned based on what we discussed, I would say it can lead us astray a little bit, and then it can, you know, it can summon non action and ego in place of action and being in the moment.

Anatoliy [00:03:06]:
But you're also saying that, like, in that, you're also saying that, like, if used properly, it could also be good.

Eldar [00:03:12]:
If I can what?

Anatoliy [00:03:13]:
If used properly, it could be good.

Eldar [00:03:16]:
I didn't have a lot of arguments here as to how you guys, um, argued for using it properly. And I did not buy in. No, I would generally say that I'm on the side, that I be careful. I'm not ready to say that it's bad. I'm gonna say that I'm.

Anatoliy [00:03:34]:
So if you're saying be careful, you're saying that it could be good.

James [00:03:37]:
Well, there's a possibility.

Eldar [00:03:38]:
There's a possibility. There's a possibility, because I've heard your arguments about it being good. I'm just not sure if it's applicable, as you guys might be more clear about. You have to explain it to me a little bit more.

Anatoliy [00:03:49]:
I mean, I'm not saying that, like, oh, yeah, I don't have the general consensus that, like, it don't. Like, it's good. Like, I also don't, don't know. I would have to explore it more. I have maybe some arguments or some reasons why it could be good, but I also have some reasons and some arguments as to why could be bad, too.

Eldar [00:04:09]:
I mean, I think that in this conversation, at least, that we brought up enough examples that hope has to do with external factors that are. We are hopeful for, that are outside of our control. Yeah. And I'd like to be a person. I'd like to be a person who's in more control and empowered to be able to change their own reality or do something about it versus just being hopeful of it. Therefore, I want to be careful, which is being hopeful. That's it is.

James [00:04:36]:
And what you just said is what you mean when you usually say hope for the best, expect the worst?

Eldar [00:04:43]:
I say that.

James [00:04:44]:
You've said that in certain situations, I'd.

Eldar [00:04:46]:
Like to say that.

James [00:04:47]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:04:52]:
That was absolutely nasty.

Eldar [00:04:54]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:04:54]:
Very good for it.

Eldar [00:04:56]:
A little piece of shit came out of your ass. I would give you props for it. Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:05:00]:
And nobody in this room would be surprised.

Eldar [00:05:01]:
No, nobody would be surprised in this room. But I tell you, I would be admired, because at the forest that came out, there was a wall somewhere that there was a dangling dingleberry that was hanging by a fucking thread, and you fucking forced it out. And it's underwear, you fucking nasty fuck. You picture the pipe, right?

Anatoliy [00:05:23]:
No, it's not a picture of pipe.

Eldar [00:05:26]:
His intestines.

Anatoliy [00:05:28]:
Oh, my goodness.

Eldar [00:05:32]:
Yeah. Okay, guys, I'm sorry. Was it, you know, saying, you think.

Anatoliy [00:05:40]:
I pictured, you know, what he just did, or.

Eldar [00:05:42]:
No, I know what he did. Yeah. No, no shit. I watch in the Ukraine when Ukraine shoots those missiles into Russia, you know. You know what I'm saying? Like, wow. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:05:56]:
Mike. Mike is the only one I've ever met that I witnessed him scare somebody with this thing.

Eldar [00:06:02]:
Yeah. Where they're like, yo, this talent, some bashi happening. Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:06:05]:
Like, stop, drop and roll.

Eldar [00:06:07]:
Yeah, go ahead.

James [00:06:08]:
No, you're good. No, and the way he described what you said to total your explanation. Yeah, I was just saying, because I've heard you use the phrase several times and hope for the best, but expect the worst. Is that what you mean? Like, be careful, like, when you say that phrase.

Eldar [00:06:26]:
I'd like to say what you said earlier. So, like, let's. Let's wait.

James [00:06:30]:
Let's see.

Eldar [00:06:30]:
Okay. Let's wait and see.

Anatoliy [00:06:31]:
Yeah, but we also don't, like, you also don't. Don't have to wait and see. Right.

Eldar [00:06:37]:
You don't have to, like, you can.

Anatoliy [00:06:38]:
Take action and make it fucking happen.

Eldar [00:06:40]:
You can. Yes. Sure. Yeah, you can. Yeah. But that's. I'm more comfortable with that statement.

Anatoliy [00:06:45]:
Yeah, wait and see is definitely better than.

Eldar [00:06:47]:
I'm not ready to make a conclusion. Hoping is kind of a making a conclusion conclusion. And I think that because you're looking into the future and it's. It's very difficult to look into the future.

James [00:06:57]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:06:58]:
I'm not ready to, like, have a decisive outcome.

James [00:07:01]:
Okay.

Eldar [00:07:01]:
So, because I'm not ready to make a decisive. I want to be careful with the way I use that word or be that. That word. You know what I'm saying?

Anatoliy [00:07:09]:
So, like, if you have, like, I guess, like, things you want to do, or you could call it, like, wishes, like, for example, Mike wants to fall in love, right? How would he communicate that? Like, if I were to say that, like, he hopes to do that.

Eldar [00:07:26]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:07:26]:
Well, what would be like? Like, is he gonna say, like, y'all, they're like, I'm gonna fall in love. Like, I'm gonna do the right actions. I'm gonna make it happen? Like, is that the attitude that he should carry, or do you see something.

Eldar [00:07:37]:
Well, that also you have to be careful with. If you're. If you're then projecting future outcome, too, you should be careful. You could say, I'd like to fall.

Anatoliy [00:07:45]:
In love, or, I'd like to put myself in a position.

Mike [00:07:48]:
I'd like to put myself in the.

Eldar [00:07:49]:
Position of falling in love.

Anatoliy [00:07:50]:
Yes, I'd like to.

Eldar [00:07:52]:
Like to.

Anatoliy [00:07:53]:
Is that similar to hoping or. No, if you'd like to do something, I'd like to.

Eldar [00:07:57]:
Yeah. Yeah. It leaves a little bit more room. Hope. It's like hope is strip something. It strips something.

Anatoliy [00:08:04]:
I'd like to also something too.

James [00:08:07]:
Well, that's why. But as much, well, that's why I use the. Let's see. It's not the same as, you know.

Anatoliy [00:08:12]:
Let'S see if I can.

James [00:08:17]:
Let's see what happens. You in me saying that you're still actively doing the thing is when you're saying that you're still giving the possibility for outside variables, you're not sure what outside possibilities are coming in saying, oh, let's wait and see. You're actually waiting. You're not actively doing, let's see what happens. You're actually doing.

Eldar [00:08:37]:
How do you communicate a desire without just being helpless? Which hope kind of moans, right? Like, yeah, like, to fall in love. If he wants to fall in love. I'd like to fall in love in the near future, and I am gonna do x, Y and Z in order to try to get there. You know, I'm saying, however you can say then, right. I am not sure. I am not 100% certain that x, y, and z will lead me there. Mm hmm. But I will do my best by using deductive reasoning and logic in order to let my mind lead to those actions that need to be taken in order to get there.

Anatoliy [00:09:17]:
So how do you, like, like, how could you be in the mindset, for example, of saying that, like, you'd like to do something, but also being that same person that has done the work behind it to, like, actually make it happen.

Eldar [00:09:32]:
I don't understand the question. How can you, what?

Anatoliy [00:09:35]:
How can you be the guy, for example, or girl, if you make it?

Eldar [00:09:43]:
You know, you negate it. If you're the person who's saying, I'd like to. Yeah, you're making a premise that you're making a suggesting suggestion to yourself that you haven't actually done certain things that you know in the pipeline. I'd like to get there, but I know I need to do x, y, and z. You didn't do those yet. And you under that impression when you say, I'd like to because you already leaving the room of, like, I'm not complete yet.

James [00:10:07]:
I could see?

Anatoliy [00:10:08]:
Okay. But I'm like, how does that go hand in hand with, for example, like, if you've done the hard work behind it of what it takes to be the person to.

Eldar [00:10:17]:
So then you say, I will. Yeah, I will.

Anatoliy [00:10:21]:
But is that okay to have that.

Eldar [00:10:23]:
Kind of, like, you can have that sooner or later, time will tell whether or not you're right or wrong.

Anatoliy [00:10:29]:
So saying I will puts the pressure of you actually to do it.

Eldar [00:10:35]:
Correct and saying, I like to not. Because if not, because then what we're gonna do, we're going to evaluate the actions that are behind it. Right. And then if you didn't fall in love or you didn't win the championship or whatever it is sport you put in, then we have to check out the holes. In the end, we have to revisit. We go back to the lab.

Anatoliy [00:10:52]:
But is that technically a good thing?

Eldar [00:10:54]:
Then?

Anatoliy [00:10:54]:
If that, like, if it doesn't happen, then it would be a good.

Eldar [00:10:58]:
It's not that it's a good thing for you because you're the subject who wanted to win. No, because you are under one impression and your impression did not come true. So therefore need to go back to the lab and find out. Yeah, it's a good thing in general, but it's not. It's like, yeah, you can get to the truth.

Anatoliy [00:11:14]:
So in that situation, would it have better. Would it have been better, like the situation, would it have been better or similar to have been the guy who says, I'd like to and then try to, and, for example, failed and then had to go back in the lab or where?

Eldar [00:11:28]:
No. Yeah, you'd rather be. I'd like to buy that.

Anatoliy [00:11:30]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:11:31]:
Yeah, I think that. Yeah, I think the pressure relieves to a degree when you say, I'd like to be in this position sooner or later, versus I will be in this position sooner or later because I will be. Probably will humble you. No, you need to be humble.

Anatoliy [00:11:48]:
If you say I will, I will. But what if you say I will and do it, do you still feel that, like you will eventually still get humble?

Eldar [00:11:56]:
I will. And you will do it.

Anatoliy [00:11:57]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:11:58]:
No, then you should speak. In fact, then if you said I will get from a to b and you got from a to b, it's a truth. That's the truth. What's. Where's the humbling experience? There's no humbling experience. You did what you wish you said.

Anatoliy [00:12:17]:
Okay, so if you feel that, like you have the truth behind you, then in those cases, it's okay to be the I will guy. But it has to be like an absolute certain.

Eldar [00:12:29]:
You don't have to be. No, there's plenty of people, I think, that say, I will retire 25. I will win the championship by this.

Anatoliy [00:12:36]:
And they don't want to only be the I will guy who actually does it. You would only have to have truth on your side for that to be a safe thing.

Eldar [00:12:47]:
To, I think, to make an I will statement in the first place is to try to prove something in the first place.

Anatoliy [00:12:55]:
Oh, to prove something. Oh, okay. So in general, it's better to be the I'd like guy. Yeah.

Eldar [00:13:00]:
And get it done anyway.

Anatoliy [00:13:01]:
And get it done anyway.

Eldar [00:13:02]:
And get it done for sure for me.

Anatoliy [00:13:05]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:13:05]:
Well, there's plenty of people out there.

Anatoliy [00:13:06]:
Cause I will guy is probably eventually destined to slip up somewhere.

Eldar [00:13:12]:
Yeah. You might get a to b.

Anatoliy [00:13:14]:
You might not go undefeated and everything.

Eldar [00:13:15]:
Correct. Yeah. And sooner or later, where the light.

Anatoliy [00:13:18]:
Guy is not like punishment for going. For the record, I will eat something.

Eldar [00:13:25]:
You will? Yeah. That's what you think. What if you get a bad stomach ache? Yeah. All right. You know what I'm saying?

Anatoliy [00:13:36]:
Yeah, I'd like to eat something.

Eldar [00:13:38]:
There's a possibility that you get a stomach ache. You don't know.

Anatoliy [00:13:41]:
You gotta drink some water.

Eldar [00:13:42]:
That's not gonna stop. Then. Then that sense. I don't know what else to come up with. He smokes a lot of weed and passes out.

Mike [00:13:55]:
He might fall asleep. You might go to the house, order a bunch of, like, you know, 500.

Eldar [00:14:01]:
Cents fully before it comes.

Anatoliy [00:14:03]:
Order a bunch of shrimp parmesan.

Eldar [00:14:04]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is hope stupid?

Mike [00:14:06]:
Is hope stupid? And is hope weak?

Eldar [00:14:09]:
Weak? Like I said, hope can be dangerous.

Mike [00:14:12]:
Hope could be dangerous.

Eldar [00:14:13]:
I agree.

Mike [00:14:14]:
I think that was my initial premise.

Eldar [00:14:16]:
Does hope sometimes reflect stupidity? Yes, it does. It can show stupidity. You know what I mean? Because if you're hopeful and say, I'm gonna be hopeful to be this, this and the third and the logical person examining your claims, and those don't add up. You're not gonna be this by this, by that. You're stupid. You're just, you're just, you didn't oversee, you know, variables that are real variables in life.

Mike [00:14:48]:
So the requirement for it not to be stupid is that you also leave room that it might not work out that way.

Eldar [00:14:54]:
Huh.

Mike [00:14:55]:
Like, is if in order for hope not to be stupid, you have to say, I hope this and this happens.

Eldar [00:15:01]:
But I know when you make that.

Mike [00:15:03]:
But then you also level the field.

Anatoliy [00:15:06]:
Yeah. That, that's when you do it in a careful way.

Mike [00:15:09]:
Yes, yes, yes. Correct.

Anatoliy [00:15:10]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:15:11]:
Right.

Anatoliy [00:15:11]:
Say hope and maybe have an actual plan behind it. Or maybe hope and cast doubts right away also.

Eldar [00:15:18]:
Yeah. Which.

James [00:15:19]:
So how about, I guess one more thing? What do you guys think when you say, I hope you have a good day to somebody?

Mike [00:15:25]:
I think that's. I hope that's a fake statement.

Eldar [00:15:29]:
Yeah. I think this is an american thing to be belonging. Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:15:32]:
We're like, I always send an email like, hope all is well.

James [00:15:36]:
What should you say? You know, have a great day instead?

Mike [00:15:39]:
No, you should say, actually, I don't give a fuck about your day, but since it's polite to say, so, have a nice day.

James [00:15:46]:
What about the people who mean it versus the people?

Mike [00:15:49]:
That's probably gonna be very rare.

James [00:15:51]:
I'm just saying.

Eldar [00:15:52]:
Yeah, I think it's just a courtesy thing that everybody does because everybody does it. It's not because there's real meaning behind it. Sure, there's an outlier like yourself, one in a million or maybe a trillion even.

James [00:16:08]:
But do we say, I hope you have a good day because most people don't have a good day. Is that the premise behind it or why are we actually saying that?

Eldar [00:16:17]:
You read that person, you think, like, yo, they're just in the shit.

James [00:16:20]:
And I'm not saying. I'm saying where does it stem from? Like, original.

Anatoliy [00:16:24]:
I say automatic, like, in emails.

Eldar [00:16:26]:
Like, why hope all is well.

Anatoliy [00:16:28]:
That's like, where did that come from?

James [00:16:29]:
And why did we start saying that? Were a lot of people not having.

Mike [00:16:32]:
Because we resorted to talking fake instead of talking real.

James [00:16:36]:
But was there a point we were hopeless that we started saying, I hope you have a good day? Like, what was going on?

Eldar [00:16:41]:
That is why I think that the general statement of hope, again, is a negative connotation. I hope you have having a good day. Like, the premise is that you actually.

Mike [00:16:53]:
Care about what kind of day the.

Eldar [00:16:54]:
Person has, first of all, and then you think that they're having a bad day in the first place. Why did you just say hi?

James [00:16:59]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:17:01]:
You know what I'm saying?

James [00:17:02]:
Well, that's what I'm saying.

Eldar [00:17:03]:
That I hope you having a good day.

James [00:17:05]:
Should you just say, you know, have a great day?

Eldar [00:17:11]:
You offended me. Like, why? You're hoping something good for me, like, I don't need.

Anatoliy [00:17:17]:
You could just say that, like, like, hey, first name, right? Whether you're having a good day or not.

Eldar [00:17:25]:
Fuck off.

Anatoliy [00:17:26]:
Uh huh.

Eldar [00:17:26]:
Go ahead.

Mike [00:17:29]:
Hopefully buy this product.

Anatoliy [00:17:31]:
Hey, first name. Whether you're having a good day or not, I'm honestly not gonna influence it, but maybe I am because what I just said is funny. I, like.

Eldar [00:17:37]:
I don't know. Like, maybe I think when you negate those two things by saying that, I think it's more honest.

Anatoliy [00:17:43]:
Yeah. Because, like, we could be on the phone, like, let's say, late at night, and, like, you might hit me with, like. Like, enjoy the rest of your night or, like. Like, like. Or, like, sleep, or, like, say. I mean, I know, like, say something nice.

Eldar [00:17:58]:
Wishing somebody nice is hoping for somebody is two different things.

James [00:18:02]:
So I wish you have a great day. I wish you're having a great day, but I wish. Yeah. Hey, how are you doing? I wish you're having a great day. Then you go in versus. Hey.

Anatoliy [00:18:13]:
Like, in a lot of interactions, I don't think it matters whether you wish it or not. Or not.

Eldar [00:18:19]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:18:20]:
Or hope that or not.

James [00:18:22]:
Yeah, but where is that coming from?

Eldar [00:18:26]:
I would say either make their day.

Anatoliy [00:18:29]:
Better or you don't. Or you don't, but don't say it.

James [00:18:32]:
But are people wrong for saying it? And if you are saying people, see.

Eldar [00:18:35]:
Also people are not aware.

James [00:18:36]:
Right. Society creates certain ingrained, particular things. And because our society, the way it's built and rand, can induce a certain level of stress, are they wrong to say your case?

Eldar [00:18:51]:
I'm not probably saying it because you want to come across as the best human possible.

James [00:18:57]:
Best human possible at that moment.

Eldar [00:18:59]:
Yes. It's not a bad thing, but it's.

Anatoliy [00:19:03]:
It's definitely on the closer to the fake level.

Eldar [00:19:05]:
Yes.

James [00:19:06]:
Like, I don't use. I hope when. When I don't feel like using, like, I use it when I actually want to use it.

Eldar [00:19:10]:
I hope so. Yeah.

James [00:19:12]:
You get what I'm saying?

Eldar [00:19:13]:
I hope so, but I don't believe it. Yeah, yeah.

Anatoliy [00:19:18]:
Like, you guess, like, in the email or whatever, or like, yeah. Like you could say, like, hey, instead of hoping you have a great day, here's a joke that you might laugh at. Yeah, but, yeah, yeah, like, you acknowledge, like, I think by acknowledging that, the hope thing, for example, an email.

Eldar [00:19:37]:
Why don't you say. Say hi? I know, shit is fucked. You know what I mean?

Anatoliy [00:19:41]:
Then here's a funny joke. Or like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that. Or like, yeah.

Eldar [00:19:48]:
Like a little bit more honest.

Anatoliy [00:19:50]:
No, yeah, yeah.

Mike [00:19:52]:
Hi. I don't care what kind of day you're having, but I hope you buy from me. Yeah, yeah. I really don't care for the. What's it called? For the niceties, but the formality.

Anatoliy [00:20:05]:
Yeah. Hey, I know the weekend just pass, and I don't really give.

Eldar [00:20:09]:
So.

James [00:20:09]:
Do you think we should use formalities then?

Eldar [00:20:11]:
Well, that's the thing.

Mike [00:20:13]:
Those formalities were created because people were scared maybe to be themselves.

James [00:20:16]:
Well, I'm saying.

Mike [00:20:17]:
Or as part of a sales strategy that people develop to be good at.

Eldar [00:20:20]:
Sales, to try to sales a lot of personal. Yeah.

Mike [00:20:23]:
Yes.

Anatoliy [00:20:24]:
Yeah, yeah.

Mike [00:20:25]:
Nobody really cares.

Eldar [00:20:28]:
Yeah.

James [00:20:28]:
So you're saying people use that LeBron.

Eldar [00:20:31]:
James not gonna pay your rent.

James [00:20:33]:
So you're saying people use it. So people have this idea they hope that they're polite or that they want.

Anatoliy [00:20:38]:
To be a fake nice guy.

Mike [00:20:39]:
Yes. So that you think they're.

Anatoliy [00:20:42]:
Instead of, instead of in that moment, seeing maybe what it takes.

Mike [00:20:46]:
Hey, I'm a real pc guy.

Eldar [00:20:47]:
There you go. See that? We don't have enough.

James [00:20:50]:
What?

Eldar [00:20:51]:
Of being able to actually see. Right. What it's gonna take and do in order to make a difference. Because just you hoping for some random shit to occur in this person's life that you don't know shit about from shit. Mm hmm. It's a little bit ridiculous.

Anatoliy [00:21:07]:
Yeah. It's either you're able. You're able to make a difference, to make a difference, or you're not. Yeah, but talking about it. Yeah. Talking about it is just like.

James [00:21:16]:
But when people say that, do you think for some people it makes a difference? They're like, oh.

Eldar [00:21:19]:
Like.

Anatoliy [00:21:20]:
And if they are, they're under the wrong impression to begin with.

James [00:21:23]:
No, that's what I'm curious about. Like, when people use that, should we even use that anymore?

Eldar [00:21:27]:
The formalities is the cause of actual, real change. I think. If you look them in the eyes.

James [00:21:32]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:21:33]:
You hold their hand. If you hug them. I agree, maybe. Yes.

James [00:21:36]:
Action that yes.

Eldar [00:21:37]:
You know what I'm saying? Versus just like, throwing that out there, you know what I mean? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I mean, unless you got some skills that I'm not sure about. Like, to each individual, like you said, you shake their hand and you wave to them and, like.

Mike [00:21:54]:
Give them the.

Eldar [00:21:55]:
Puppy eyes, you know what I'm saying? And somehow you transmit this fountain of youth or something, you know what I mean? Into their eyes, then, yeah, yeah, possible. But I'm not sure if it's mass produced.

James [00:22:09]:
Mass produced? That would be difficult. That would be very difficult to mass produce.

Eldar [00:22:13]:
You know what I mean? Therefore, I think, yeah, like, let's probably stay away from it. I think.

James [00:22:18]:
I just thought it was interesting question.

Anatoliy [00:22:20]:
Do you feel like old school? So it's like, do you feel like also, some people have to say that to kind of make it known they're like, hey, I actually don't wish you bad.

Mike [00:22:28]:
No, that's what they might be covering for you. That's crazy.

Eldar [00:22:31]:
Yeah, the world is paranoid, Mike.

Mike [00:22:33]:
I do think so.

Eldar [00:22:34]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:22:34]:
They want to make sure that you.

Eldar [00:22:36]:
Feel, that you don't want to break. It's a status quo now. So if you're not polite, please, thank you and goodbye is weird. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you're weird. If you didn't say please, thank you and goodbye, you know. How you doing? How's your day? I hope you're well. You know what I mean? You weird. So it's a status already quote, standard, needs to be met.

Anatoliy [00:23:00]:
But, but also like for example, if you're paying for service, let's say in like you know, a restaurant or like whatever, a hotel or something like that. You expect for people to be these like please and thank you and hopers and stuff like that to you, right?

Eldar [00:23:13]:
Kind of. I definitely don't expect them to dig deep and like really talk to me about my life.

Anatoliy [00:23:19]:
No, but you mean like, hey, like you, you don't want like a note saying like, hey, I didn't change, change your sheets cuz I overslept and I feel like shit.

Eldar [00:23:27]:
I'll be honest with you.

Mike [00:23:28]:
I'll be nice.

Eldar [00:23:29]:
That'd be nice.

Anatoliy [00:23:30]:
Yeah, right.

Eldar [00:23:36]:
Well, I like me coming in here like what the fuck is going on here? Yeah, you know what I mean? If I had a note. Oh, it's a perfect explanation as to why.

Anatoliy [00:23:44]:
But you're. So this, so you're okay with, with like let's say I'm more nice hotel. And there was someone that like, yo, I know that you're paying like a thousand a night here, right? And it's real expensive, but I fucking overslept. Right? And I'll. And there's 200 rooms here, I'll go. Unfortunately I didn't get to your home.

James [00:24:05]:
So this actually happened to a friend of mine? No, no, not this particular thing, no.

Eldar [00:24:12]:
Why are you always upsetting the young crowd, James?

James [00:24:14]:
Not this particularly. This. The story I'm about to tell you. So somebody ran into his car that was parked right and left a huge, like then accident. But somebody left a note. They're like, I'm sorry, man, I have no money so I had to leave. How would you feel about that?

Eldar [00:24:32]:
I mean, with the way I am right now, I have to accept it.

James [00:24:34]:
Okay.

Eldar [00:24:35]:
Okay. I have to accept it.

James [00:24:37]:
Yeah, no, I'm just asking.

Eldar [00:24:38]:
Yeah, I feel like it's similar. I feel like it's similar if I was the individual where, like, yo, my car is perfect. I got a buff every scratch bubble. Like, you know, some people that we know.

James [00:24:49]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:24:49]:
Then I'm pretty sure that I won't cut it. I'm not sure if that'll trigger the emotionally. You trying to trigger from that. No, we're. Now what I value is, like, actual. I'm gonna value that he was honest.

James [00:25:01]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:25:01]:
So, yeah, I can't. I can't. I really can't. But I left you a note. I'm sorry. I'm framing that shit. Yeah.

James [00:25:07]:
When. When he sent me that, I honestly was like, yo, I can't be. He said, I have no money, and I can understand, but how did he.

Eldar [00:25:14]:
Send it to you? Was he sharing? Like, look at this piece of shit. Motherfucker.

James [00:25:17]:
No, he wasn't mad. I guess more. I guess the word disappointed, he was like. He's like, yeah, I get it. Like, I get it.

Eldar [00:25:25]:
He's like, I get it.

James [00:25:27]:
He got less punished in my friend's eyes. He. Because differently. This friend probably would have reacted differently if they didn't leave a note exactly like that.

Anatoliy [00:25:35]:
Do you feel like that person should have gotten punished?

Eldar [00:25:38]:
I feel like that person should have. Should carry a level of accountability. Absolutely.

Anatoliy [00:25:43]:
Insurance.

Eldar [00:25:45]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:25:46]:
Or insurance.

Eldar [00:25:47]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:25:47]:
Or should not be driving.

Eldar [00:25:48]:
Correct, correct. Yeah, there should be accountability. It's like, okay, cool.

Anatoliy [00:25:51]:
What if there is an accountability? You're working out of that? Is that what you're saying, that you would frame that?

Eldar [00:25:57]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like. It sounds like this person, right? Let's just say this. This person was. Had no money and his wife. He had no money. He had no license, but he had a car. And his wife started giving birth in the middle of the desert.

Eldar [00:26:11]:
You know what I mean?

Anatoliy [00:26:13]:
Huh?

Eldar [00:26:14]:
You know, and he got behind the wheel knowing everything. But he had a situation. Yeah, yeah, he's having a situation. And he sideswiped my mirror. Yes.

Anatoliy [00:26:25]:
He was decent enough.

Eldar [00:26:26]:
Absolutely. Even more creative than I'm creating now. He was decent enough, had decency enough to stop while his wife is, you know, in an emergency. I'll leave a note real quick to say, like, hey, this is what's happening. That's when I didn't pass. Yeah, but, no, if that individual was going to a party drunk with his friends, you know what I'm saying? And knows there's insurance, there's all this other stuff and leaving that. No, then, yeah, but, you know, that doesn't help. There should be some kind of accountability.

Eldar [00:26:57]:
I see.

Anatoliy [00:26:58]:
You know, yeah. It sounds like. Like to me, a lot of final thoughts here are more, more, more like a lot of the stuff that in all of our lives that we're hopeful for, we should examine those things and see, like, if we are fair with ourselves.

Eldar [00:27:16]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:27:16]:
If we're fair with ourselves and whether we have any kind of action back, things that we're doing behind those hopes. If not, we should try to remove.

Eldar [00:27:25]:
Those hopes or we should see if.

Mike [00:27:28]:
We really want those things, too.

Eldar [00:27:29]:
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah.

Anatoliy [00:27:31]:
Just, like, examine those hopes to begin with and see, like, what's the situation with them? Are you just, like, saying they're like, your hope? Is that it just, like, something just falls in your lap?

Eldar [00:27:43]:
Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:27:43]:
Or is your hope that, like, this is what you hope and you have reasons, or maybe this is your hope and you actually realize that, like, hey, I don't even need this anymore.

Eldar [00:27:52]:
Yeah, stop holding for it, you know? Exactly, exactly.

Anatoliy [00:27:56]:
So those are my.

Eldar [00:27:58]:
Yeah.

James [00:27:58]:
I feel hope at a certain point, at a certain level, awareness could be beneficial and shift you into courage and courage can shift you into empowerment. I think hope is temporary and it's not meant to be long lived. If you do prolong the process of hope, you start moving away from empowerment and start giving the word hope and it, the idea of it of control. So I think it's something that serves very, very, very early on at some point, a level of awareness. But I meant it's meant to just really be outgrown and instill that courage at some point.

Eldar [00:28:41]:
Hope is for the weak.

Mike [00:28:44]:
Yeah. Sounds like what James just said. If you're weak, you have to relying hope. When you become empowered, you don't need to. Huh.

Eldar [00:28:51]:
You disagree?

James [00:28:52]:
I'm not saying hope is for the weak.

Mike [00:28:54]:
No, I think said it's a no.

Eldar [00:28:56]:
He said actually hope is for the strong. Really? Yeah. You didn't listen to what he said?

Mike [00:29:00]:
I didn't listen. I thought he said hope is like a thing, that stepping stone, and then you get to another place where you don't need hope.

Eldar [00:29:08]:
Yeah.

James [00:29:08]:
You move out of it, but I.

Mike [00:29:10]:
Think to a higher place on a lower place.

James [00:29:12]:
No, I think. I think there's a strength in that and you knowing how to engage out of that into empowerment.

Mike [00:29:20]:
Yeah, I'm just trying to see some controversy right now.

Eldar [00:29:23]:
Get away from me.

Mike [00:29:24]:
Yeah.

James [00:29:26]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:29:27]:
So you're saying that stepping stone to go lower. I never heard of those before, no. Am I wrong for understanding what you said? Is it, did you not call it a stepping stone? Like level one is hope?

Eldar [00:29:39]:
It's advantageous to have hope if it's short lived, which is followed quickly by action.

Mike [00:29:45]:
100%. I agree with that. But the way it's used most of the time in the. In the circles that I hang out in, I'm not yours.

James [00:29:54]:
I'm not saying how it's used at the moment, but I think that's what it is in my belief.

Mike [00:29:59]:
Is hope a man made thing?

James [00:30:01]:
Huh?

Mike [00:30:01]:
It's hope. A man made thing is hope. So we don't make fluff our own feathers.

Eldar [00:30:07]:
I'm not sure.

Mike [00:30:09]:
Yeah. That was one of the questions that we asked, is hope a man may think so, that we could feel like we accomplished something.

Eldar [00:30:16]:
You know?

Anatoliy [00:30:17]:
I'm not sure if it's an accomplishment. Like, I don't know. Hope. Like, your accomplishments. I mean, I think that hope is a future thing.

Mike [00:30:26]:
Yeah. But, you know, like, people say, oh, yeah, I started a new business. And then everybody's like, oh, but I don't think a lot.

Eldar [00:30:33]:
No, it's not.

Mike [00:30:34]:
Yeah, it's not. But it's not an example of hope. But it's, like, along those lines where when you say you already hope, you hope about something, you feel like you already got you halfway down the road already. I think there's a dangerous part there when you. Same thing is when you put like, oh, yeah, I started a business. People like, oh, he's successful already. Business.

Anatoliy [00:30:53]:
But is that, like. Is people saying that, like, is it.

Mike [00:30:57]:
Yo, my bad, captain. I wasn't trying to get you.

Anatoliy [00:31:00]:
Is that person's problem that, like, they're misinterpreting or, like, they have, like, the wrong idea of it?

Mike [00:31:06]:
It's not, but I'm saying that the person who's saying that is under the wrong impression. They think like, oh, I started a new diet.

Eldar [00:31:13]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:31:13]:
But they going around bragging.

Eldar [00:31:14]:
By definition, my starting new diet, you would have to say. We generally have a consensus that starting a new diet means day one, particular meal. Right. When do you start a diet? Right. What? You know what I'm saying?

Mike [00:31:28]:
Before. Before you even started, you started diet. Like, yo, like, tomorrow. Starting tomorrow. That's it. Like going to the gym, but that's not it.

Eldar [00:31:37]:
Right? Like, if day one, when you said, I'm gonna eat a banana today instead of pancakes. Yeah. Okay. You started a diet. Sure. And you could. You could go then after breakfast, after you had your banana to you, to James, into Dennis and whatever, and say, guys, I started a diet. You could.

Eldar [00:31:56]:
This is the true statement. Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:31:57]:
Now, how people run with those things.

Eldar [00:31:59]:
Yes.

Anatoliy [00:31:59]:
Like, you could tell people that, like, you started.

Eldar [00:32:01]:
Now, if you saw me 20 pounds lighter in a week, that's on you. Yeah. That's not on me. Yeah. I started a diet. Yeah.

Anatoliy [00:32:08]:
Or you said it like, you started a new business.

Eldar [00:32:10]:
Yeah. Incorporated, LLC. You started a new business. Now, if you said, I started new business, I made a million dollars, but you actually didn't. Then you could say, no, motherfucker. You didn't start no damn business and made a million dollars. You started at LLC. You didn't make no damn million dollars.

Eldar [00:32:26]:
You know, so you can disprove that.

James [00:32:28]:
So, okay.

Eldar [00:32:30]:
People can run without it. Yeah. How you interpret it? Yeah. It's. It's on you, not on the person who's making a claim.

Mike [00:32:36]:
No. My thought is that my issue that I was saying is that when people, when somebody says, I hope, I feel like they already, in their head, did some step of the way towards that goal without actually doing the goal. That's my word. That's my, like, my thing. No, I think that people putting I.

Eldar [00:32:57]:
Hope out into universe, I actually don't think that. I actually think that people that say, I hope they negate themselves from doing anything. Yeah.

Mike [00:33:07]:
But in their head, I'm not sure how they feel about.

Eldar [00:33:09]:
Okay, cool. I can't serve with the heads.

Mike [00:33:11]:
No, that's how.

Eldar [00:33:11]:
I don't think it's. The whole thing is a different discussion about something else. Yeah.