Denis [00:00:00]:
On this week's episode.
Mike [00:00:01]:
So what does it mean to have potential? Does it mean anything?
Toliy [00:00:03]:
Potential is meaningless without the right acknowledgement, education, and steps that go with it.
Eldar [00:00:08]:
Seeing your potential and not doing anything about it actually causes pain.
Alana [00:00:12]:
But if you're saying, mom, why didn't you put me in this camp? Mom, why didn't you do this for me? You're expecting someone else to hand you that goal. Whereas if you're a person who comes from nothing and you are a go getter, and you go and get that yourself, your power is internal, it's not external.
Joe [00:00:27]:
Potential can potentially change the potential of one's potential.
Eldar [00:00:31]:
Tom, I want you to speak for 1 minute and just say whatever. Whatever's on your mind for 1 minute straight.
Toliy [00:00:38]:
Man, this is tough, dude. I mean, I literally just turned off the tv so I could focus on what you're saying.
Joe [00:00:43]:
And now you're telling me something like darkness. What the hell am I supposed to say?
Mike [00:00:57]:
You asked me, oh, how do you define potential? And I said, yeah, the capability of achieving a goal.
Eldar [00:01:04]:
Right?
Mike [00:01:04]:
And then we start. That's how we kind of like you randomly hit me with from right field.
Eldar [00:01:09]:
Yeah, we concluded pretty much on the statement of that we are we as people. We're not equal. You know what I mean?
Toliy [00:01:14]:
Actually.
Eldar [00:01:17]:
There'S a lot that goes behind every individual, you know what I mean? Especially when it comes to development. That's what we're leaning towards. However, there's one thing that we were trying to, like, figure out. What are we are equal in? And the thing is, we found out, I mean, we thought about it a little bit, is that we might be equal in potential. We actually might be, right? And that potential is actually actual us, right. As people. Right. We all have that, right? And it doesn't have to be actualized, like, what you guys might think.
Eldar [00:01:45]:
Like, I don't know, enlightenment or something like that, right? But more so, like achievement, let's just say a passion. You know what I mean? Like, if you wanted to do something, but something's been holding you back, you know, for a while, and you broke through that and then you finally actualized it. You did it and you harvest the happiness from it. You actualize yourself, you know what I mean? So that's what we said, that, you know, potential to actualize everyone kind of has that, but not everyone reaches it. And there's a problem there because a lot of the times, number one, we don't actually realize what our potential is. It's number one. Number two, when we do realize what our potential is, we don't actualize it. So there's a lot of suffering that comes into it.
Eldar [00:02:31]:
So we want to kind of discuss that and almost maybe prove out the fact that we are all not at the same stages of this development time. And one example that we brought in is Mike's dating. So I don't know if you remember Joe, right, what Mike wanted before. And actually, you can relate it to it, to Joe.
Mike [00:02:57]:
I'm not sure Joe's ready to get put on blast on the podium. Maybe he's a little sensitive to that.
Joe [00:03:02]:
Wife on my side, so I gotta be careful.
Eldar [00:03:06]:
So Mike's example of actualization, or potential, right, in the dating sphere, was that he wanted to fall in love, find a girl, and be happy. Pretty common for a lot of people. However, you know, as he was dating, meeting girls, he ended up where, like many, many of us did, right. We ended up under certain pressure, control, jealousy. The other person took advantage of you, you know, and you come to find out that you're actually not actualizing that what you wanted, right? You wanted love, you wanted to be happy, right? Now, after Mike has gone through all that pain and turmoil, he's come to a point where he wants to reevaluate his life and find out if he can do it in a different way. And through reasoning, through thinking, which we, I think we all have in common, right? We have the ability to reason and think. He's discovered that there is potential. He has potential, and that potential is now given him a different outlook on love, happiness, and commingling with another person, right.
Eldar [00:04:18]:
Being in a relationship with another person. And now that he knows this, right, he has this potential to be great, much greater than what he was before. Right? So before, he was kind of just maybe shooting blanks, you know what I mean? Like, he's just throwing whatever at the wall, see where he's gonna stick, and nothing mistaken. And now with the potential that he has, the jury's still out to see whether or not he's gonna be able to accomplish that, what he's set out to do, which is fall in love and be happy. The jury's still out. So we'll see.
Joe [00:04:47]:
Have you ever been in love, Mike? Like what? You know what?
Mike [00:04:52]:
I knew it then.
Joe [00:04:53]:
What you thought. Thought you were in love.
Mike [00:04:55]:
And, you know, I think there's levels to the shit. So the level I was at, I probably was. But what I understand now, it wasn't. That's not what I'm trying for anymore.
Joe [00:05:09]:
Yeah. The definition of love has changed. What you understand is love.
Mike [00:05:13]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:05:13]:
Yeah, that's good.
Joe [00:05:16]:
That you. That you could, you know, knowledge that step one.
Eldar [00:05:21]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:05:23]:
When you said that, when you were saying, you know, we were saying just now, one thing that came to mind that kind of released the potential. It's like, potential is you're preparing for something, right? And you gather your tools to go to, like, go into this battle. That's the way I envisioned it. Like, you have a potential and you have the potential and you're about to engage into whatever you're engaging into. And we all have these tools and what the things that. Why that came about? Because we all have a tool to think and I. And we all have the tool to reason, and the potential is knowing and actually going for those things, going for the tools instead of going blindly. Well, yes, but before you can use them, you have to actually go for them.
Mike [00:06:05]:
Like, oh, I got to actually use this sword. You have to think about it and realize, yo, this is. I can use this. Versus, like, you know, just going in the battle blindly, you know, not thinking, not reasoning. And I think, think, thought and reason are your tools or weapons, you know, if you want to think about it in the kind of combative way, which not really meant to be, but. But it's like, it's like you're preparing for something. The potential is the preparation, I think. And then in that process of preparing and the potential building up is the kind of gathering your tools, gathering your resources and going out.
Mike [00:06:46]:
And I think that's. That's why I think it is everybody has ability to think and reason, right? It's just the difference is, are you gonna choose to do those things or you're gonna choose to just go in blindly into whatever you're about engaging to.
Toliy [00:07:03]:
You know, I think they're like. I view it as, like, I think potential is just either another individual acknowledging another individual's like, like, acknowledgement of tools. I don't think it's necessarily an action. I just think that, like, it's either the person themselves or another individual acknowledging that there's that. Like, this is out there and it's just there. That's how I view just, like, potential being there. Like, I don't view potential as, like, a yemenite, an action.
Joe [00:07:36]:
Yeah. Right.
Toliy [00:07:37]:
I think the. The actualization of that potential is. Is, like, to do that, you first need to realize and understand, like, if your own potential, like, you have to be aware that this. This exists, and then you need to take the necessary steps to get the right, like, guidance and, like, education and learnings to actually tap into whatever those things are, and then that leads to actualization of something.
Joe [00:08:12]:
Yeah, I agree totally. Same way. Cause, like, when I say potential to you, like, I could look at you and say, you have great potential. You have the possibility because of, like, who you are. What I know you're about lots of room to welcome someone into your life that you have so much to offer. It's great. All these. All these things you have are, like, they're ready to give you this end goal, which is what you're looking for.
Joe [00:08:40]:
And I see the potential in this achievement or this goal, like, the end of the road where you are looking to achieve. That's how I also acknowledge potential. And you being able to actualize the relationship, going through these learnings ups and downs, and getting. Getting to a place where you can make it happen, that's you actualizing it. You know, trying. You might fail at one relationship. You pick it up, try again. Every time you try, fail, or succeed, or you learn, you're still getting closer and closer to actualizing, getting to that point.
Eldar [00:09:20]:
You seen it more as. As a big picture.
Toliy [00:09:23]:
Yes. Yeah.
Joe [00:09:24]:
Potential.
Eldar [00:09:25]:
Yeah.
Joe [00:09:25]:
Potential is big picture.
Eldar [00:09:26]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:09:27]:
I was seeing. I was looking at it when he was saying that.
Eldar [00:09:31]:
Sorry. Yeah. I was gonna say that even though he was complimenting you and I was on the same boat as complimenting him, you as well at the time, I would say that he had zero potential. Right.
Joe [00:09:41]:
Zero future.
Eldar [00:09:42]:
No. Right. So if we were to define what love was. Right. Like, you know, together. Right. What kind of relationship that was. Right.
Eldar [00:09:51]:
And what kind of relationships he was seeking out and ending up with.
Joe [00:09:54]:
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Eldar [00:09:54]:
He had no idea what he was talking about. Yeah.
Joe [00:09:56]:
He was going down a dark path.
Eldar [00:09:57]:
So, yeah. The fact that we have not understood his potential of what it means to be actually in love and be loved and give that back. Right. We didn't examine that he actually has zero potential, despite the fact that me and you think that Mike is a good guy. Yeah.
Joe [00:10:12]:
But we're not disagreeing on the term potential, what potential means. We understand that we couldn't see potential in him, but we agree what potential is about him.
Eldar [00:10:22]:
Yeah, but if we zoom in. Right. If we zoom in on a particular task at hand, actualizing, like I said, in a job.
Joe [00:10:29]:
Right.
Eldar [00:10:29]:
In your relationship, or is it, you know, brother or sister or daughter, whatever it is that you're trying to actualize. Right. If you zoom in on those things, you have to see those things as individual entities. Right. In order to understand whether or not you fit in, into that criteria of understanding whether or not you have potential to conquer this. If you have two left feet, you should not be a hockey player. Right? Like, hey, no, bro, you don't have potential because you actually are, you know, bound. Bye.
Eldar [00:10:56]:
Too lefty. Even though maybe there's hundreds that I do have to, you know what I'm saying? So that's what I'm saying. So, like, I'm not sure of generalizing it and saying, hey, bro, you have good potential or whatever is actually, number one, good for the person or fair.
Joe [00:11:12]:
Okay.
Mike [00:11:14]:
But also potential. I was gonna ask, what do you guys think? But do you guys think that potential is a moment to moment thing?
Alana [00:11:20]:
I think that's what I was gonna say.
Eldar [00:11:22]:
I think you changed.
Alana [00:11:23]:
Like, I think at that time of your life, you had a very different kind of potential. Potential then you have and want now. Like, I think it shifted.
Mike [00:11:31]:
But even in the current life, right, even the lives that we all live, right, we have a potential to do. Do the right thing.
Alana [00:11:38]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:11:38]:
And what we're doing. And sometimes we have the potential to the wrong thing. Right.
Toliy [00:11:43]:
But, like, put potential, I think then. Then, like, after thinking about it now, then, like, it has very, very, like, dense, like, levels to it, right. Because you could just say, okay, this is like, a young 30 year old male. Like, he has potential. You could just make a general idea.
Mike [00:12:00]:
Yeah, yeah.
Toliy [00:12:01]:
In any subject, you could just say that because this person is young and has energy and, like, I don't know, like, isn't, like, I don't know, decent shape.
Eldar [00:12:11]:
Shape.
Toliy [00:12:11]:
He has potential. And you could bring up a wide range of topics, right. And then. And then you could come into a situation, for example, where you have, like, a basketball scout and I who's coming in to look at a player, and that player needs to demonstrate certain, like, tools and abilities he has for that scout to label that he has potential, because now it's only in the sphere of basketball. Okay? He's six four. He's still 23. He's showing that he's coachable. He wants to learn.
Toliy [00:12:40]:
He's showing he has good discipline, he works hard. Right. Or he could come in and be like, yo, this guy, like, you trying to try out, but he's 38, and, like, he's already set in his ways and stuff like that. And then the scout could be like, he doesn't have potential.
Eldar [00:12:55]:
Yeah, yeah.
Toliy [00:12:56]:
But doesn't mean that he doesn't have potential in life, right. Because in life, he might be able to do other things. So, like, yeah, the word like potential zoomed out. Could just be like the.
Eldar [00:13:07]:
I think that's a problem.
Toliy [00:13:08]:
Yeah. The potential, like, ability to potentially do something.
Eldar [00:13:12]:
I think that's the problem. Yeah.
Toliy [00:13:13]:
And then it gets narrowed down.
Eldar [00:13:14]:
Thinking reason. I think that we should be more zooming in on every particular subject matter because we, like Alana said, we're moment to moment. Right. Also, like, trying to accomplish certain things.
Toliy [00:13:25]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:13:26]:
And a lot of times we'll. Because we have potential in one thing. Right. And we see this a lot, I would think, probably in life where, like, oh, he's a really good basketball player and he's very disciplined, therefore he would be also a good surgeon. No, these are two different things. You know what I mean? So we do this a lot.
Mike [00:13:43]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:13:43]:
Right. Oh, Donald Trump, good businessman. Oh. Therefore, he should be a good president.
Toliy [00:13:49]:
Or, like, athletes. Good athletes. Therefore they should be good in politics.
Eldar [00:13:53]:
Yeah, they should be, you know. You know, giving me their views on politics. Who said. But because their potential. Right. From basketball and their greatness from basketball has carried over onto other things.
Alana [00:14:05]:
We trust them.
Eldar [00:14:05]:
We trust them. And that's very bad.
Mike [00:14:07]:
It's.
Toliy [00:14:08]:
Yeah, potentially, potential is always, I think, inherently something that someone doesn't currently have. Right. So it's always like a perception based.
Joe [00:14:18]:
Why?
Mike [00:14:19]:
Why doesn't.
Toliy [00:14:20]:
Well, because it's like, potential is like a future based scenario.
Joe [00:14:24]:
If I look up the term just.
Toliy [00:14:27]:
Of course, like.
Eldar [00:14:29]:
Yeah.
Toliy [00:14:29]:
Like, to my. The way I understand potential is that it's a future based scenario.
Eldar [00:14:34]:
Yeah.
Toliy [00:14:34]:
And it's a very perception based scenario.
Joe [00:14:37]:
Right.
Mike [00:14:38]:
But what. So what happens in the moment when you decide to use your ability to think and reason in the moment?
Toliy [00:14:45]:
Well, I think now you're like. Like doing, and you're. You might be past.
Mike [00:14:52]:
What if you're either gonna make decisions to go left or right, and you're gonna. Either you're gonna turn your mind off and you're gonna go left, or you're gonna turn your mind and you're gonna go right.
Toliy [00:15:00]:
Okay.
Mike [00:15:01]:
You haven't made a decision. You haven't actually acted.
Eldar [00:15:04]:
Okay.
Toliy [00:15:05]:
How does that have to do with potential?
Mike [00:15:06]:
Because you haven't actually acted. You have a potential to either think and then do the consequences of that. You. Potential to not think and go blindly.
Eldar [00:15:17]:
Okay.
Mike [00:15:18]:
Because you guys put in the potential afterwards.
Eldar [00:15:22]:
You put potential before.
Mike [00:15:23]:
No, I'm. Yeah, because the way I'm reading it, it is the ability to think or reason. To think and reason. Right.
Eldar [00:15:30]:
Ability, potential, stability. To think and reason. Yes.
Mike [00:15:32]:
So if you are in the moment, your face would. That's why I said it's in the small moments. We're talking about big stuff. But I think I have a potential to make a right choice or a wrong choice.
Eldar [00:15:45]:
It's a very small.
Mike [00:15:46]:
Yes, yes, but I think those are the examples.
Joe [00:15:49]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:15:50]:
I think that's where actually the real potential is.
Toliy [00:15:52]:
When you actually start taking action, I think you're past the potential part of it.
Mike [00:15:57]:
I'm not even. I'm not even talking about action.
Toliy [00:15:59]:
No, but. No, no, he was making.
Eldar [00:16:01]:
He's doing. He's making. He's making the potential to thinking and reason.
Toliy [00:16:06]:
Okay.
Mike [00:16:06]:
And then when you apply those things, then you can act.
Toliy [00:16:08]:
Yeah, but you have potential, and then you have think reason afterwards.
Eldar [00:16:12]:
Right.
Mike [00:16:12]:
Thinking is. Reason is not, as you guys consider, action.
Joe [00:16:16]:
Well, let me just read this. So.
Mike [00:16:18]:
Yeah, we have.
Joe [00:16:18]:
We have that much.
Eldar [00:16:19]:
Yeah.
Toliy [00:16:19]:
It's a verb.
Joe [00:16:21]:
This is an adjective, is what? It's listed as having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future. For example, a two pronged campaign to woo potential customers. It's something possible, something likely. But you see something in the future developing. You know, you have the capacity, you show or have capacity to become or develop into something in the future.
Mike [00:16:47]:
Yeah, but what's the future defined?
Eldar [00:16:49]:
I.
Joe [00:16:50]:
Well, it's like, you know what happens?
Mike [00:16:54]:
Like, I have a potential right now. I have a potential right now to go and say, you know what? I'm good. I'm gonna drive home drunk. Or, I have potential to think and reason. Like, yeah, why don't you guys give me a ride home? No, but that's not. That's in the future.
Toliy [00:17:08]:
But that's not like a person potential like that. I think that it's just.
Joe [00:17:13]:
Yeah, choices.
Eldar [00:17:14]:
Like, yeah, I like. And zoom in on, like, the choice. Every choice.
Toliy [00:17:20]:
No, no, but that's not an individual's potential. Like, that's like that. That's like. I view that as more of, like a mathematical terminal.
Eldar [00:17:28]:
But if he's coming from a place where he was an alcoholic, let's just say. Right? And now he asked. He's faced a decision.
Toliy [00:17:34]:
Okay.
Eldar [00:17:35]:
We can also say, hey, like, now.
Mike [00:17:37]:
Yeah, my belief might be a big.
Toliy [00:17:39]:
Choice, but that choice is going to come after the potential.
Mike [00:17:42]:
No, no. My belief, this is, my theory is that if you want to actually unlock your potential, it's not like thinking this big, massive thing. It's actually the small baby steps that count.
Toliy [00:17:52]:
Why?
Eldar [00:17:52]:
100%.
Mike [00:17:53]:
You know? So that's why I'm trying to think about it in a small baby steps way also.
Joe [00:17:57]:
But, like, we're dividing it between good and bad. Like you're trying to do. Like. Like this is some. Something else that I'm reading here, right. It's. It's saying the possibility of something happening or someone doing something in the future. But then in.
Joe [00:18:13]:
As an example, pesticides with the potential to cause cancer. Like, we're not talking positives here. Right. It just has. It's like with the ability to. Whether or not it's a good or bad thing direction, it doesn't matter. Probable cause. Not probable cause, but like, you know, the probability is like, you could see that there is a road or some type of.
Joe [00:18:35]:
You know, something can move forward, has potential to do something, be something or do something in the future, whether that's an action or a thing. And so I don't know if that clears up any. Anything we're talking about.
Toliy [00:18:51]:
Yeah. Like, I feel like there's the mathematical potential, those kind of things. You could potentially go left or right, though. That's like, I think using potential like a mathematical tense. And then there's like, personal potential, which is just like the possible capabilities of a human. And that can be macro down to like a. Or micro down to like a. Like a different.
Toliy [00:19:16]:
Like, you know, basketball or like, I don't know, some. Some other thing. Right. I think those are two. Two different things.
Joe [00:19:23]:
Yeah. Normally. Sorry.
Eldar [00:19:26]:
However, I think the potential, though, does not encompass all the different variables that are of potentially can happen for your potential not to ever be actualized. Right. He just said about the pesticides. Right. Potentially you can cause you cancer. However, if you drink, I don't know, kombucha every day. You know what I mean? Potentially, that kind of. Well, that's why.
Toliy [00:19:48]:
Yeah, but that's why it's potentially. Potential is only like, guarantee. It's a. No, it's a possibility. That's why it's like a mathematical thing where it's obviously not a guaranteed thing.
Eldar [00:19:58]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:19:58]:
Wait. Mathematical is not guaranteed.
Toliy [00:20:01]:
Mathematical.
Mike [00:20:02]:
No. Two plus two is not guaranteed to be for.
Toliy [00:20:04]:
That's not what we're talking about.
Mike [00:20:05]:
You said mathematical, though. I don't.
Toliy [00:20:06]:
No, I'm saying mathematically, potential is not a guarantee of one thing. Like, it's like, potentially, a comet could go and like, do we all agree a comet could just fall right now and just hit our building physics?
Joe [00:20:19]:
Like.
Toliy [00:20:19]:
Right.
Mike [00:20:19]:
Yeah.
Joe [00:20:19]:
I'm not changing.
Toliy [00:20:22]:
No. That's a mathematical chance that that could happen.
Mike [00:20:25]:
What. What is mathematical that there could be.
Toliy [00:20:27]:
Something that falls out of the sky?
Mike [00:20:28]:
What is that? What does that have to do with math.
Toliy [00:20:31]:
It's a mathematical chance.
Joe [00:20:33]:
He's saying that he's not. You. You said mathematics. He says more like physics. Like statistics?
Eldar [00:20:38]:
Like.
Toliy [00:20:39]:
No, not physics. No, actual. It's a mathematical chance.
Eldar [00:20:43]:
Statistical probability. That good happen.
Toliy [00:20:45]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:20:45]:
So it's statistics, not math.
Toliy [00:20:47]:
Yeah, that's math.
Mike [00:20:47]:
Okay.
Eldar [00:20:48]:
Statistics is not part of math or statistics.
Mike [00:20:50]:
But what he's trying to say.
Eldar [00:20:52]:
Maybe misuse the word math.
Mike [00:20:54]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Toliy [00:20:55]:
I'm saying that there's a mathematical chance.
Eldar [00:20:57]:
Probability. Yeah.
Toliy [00:20:58]:
A probability which is under the umbrella of math. Right. That there's a chance that a bus could hop over that railing, fly in, and go into the second floor and wipe us all out. Now, the chances of that are probably extremely low.
Eldar [00:21:10]:
Yeah.
Toliy [00:21:10]:
Right. There's also probably, like, a potential. Right. That a fly could fly and make its way into our room. We can all probably agree that that's more likely, right. Than a bus doing, like, flying over from that highway into the second floor. So that those are all, like, mathematical chances.
Eldar [00:21:32]:
Mathematical chances of probabilities versus potential.
Toliy [00:21:35]:
No. So mathematical chances and probabilities is the same thing as potential in the sphere of talking about potential in a mathematical standpoint. Now, a personal potential is a completely different thing. Like, it's. It's a. Like. It also has to do with. With.
Toliy [00:21:54]:
I guess there could be some. Like, some math. I guess, if you wanted to involve.
Eldar [00:21:58]:
There is a probability, but there's. Yeah, but, like, for a person, in.
Toliy [00:22:02]:
Order to accomplish a particular goal, it's perception based. Or. Or.
Eldar [00:22:06]:
Or how you wrote it here, you might say that.
Toliy [00:22:11]:
But we might be equal in potential. That that would be you saying that every single human being in the world has the same exact potential. They just. Everybody just may or may not unlock certain things. Yeah, like, someone might unlock how to, like, you know, like, change mankind or do, like. I don't know, something. Like, someone else might do something. I don't know, more minute.
Toliy [00:22:32]:
Or somebody else might do something in the middle. Some people might just, like, do drugs all day and chill, right? So it's just like. But you're saying that every single one of those people, whether it's, like, you know, like, a. A genius that has done something, like, incredibly great and impacted, like, the whole world in, like, an insane way or one individual who's just, like, a local guy in some small town that, like, holds the door for people. Yeah. And that's, like, a nice guy and, like. Like, whatever, right. In his fear, he might be, like, also, like, a local hero or something like that, but he may not have, like, changed the climate.
Toliy [00:23:07]:
Like, like, he may not have done, like some new invention for climate change that just like, changes the whole world. But you're saying in that statement potentially that people might have all the same potential, but different people are capable, are capable of unlocking more, more than others. So, like, that, that's how I view, like, like potential and like an individual chances. But that's all perception based, what it's called. That's why I said one coach could walk in. Right? Like we talked about, like a bunch of times, like the best coaches, like Belichick or like a coach Popovich, like, just like in basketball and football, they'll get players that nobody wants and they'll come onto their team. Yeah. Right.
Toliy [00:23:54]:
They'll bring them in and then these guys, out of nowhere, these like top performers and everyone's like, like everybody passed up on them. Nobody even wanted them. Like, they're like low salary, like almost like free. But then they saw something that they could, like, build in them. They obviously saw potential and they saw something that they could either teach or ingrain or like, get out of them that obviously those same other coaches went in that room and saw that person playing be like, nah, this guy's not good. What's called doesn't have potential.
Eldar [00:24:22]:
So.
Toliy [00:24:22]:
Right.
Eldar [00:24:23]:
In your key, in your example, having the ability to see potential in others is a good thing.
Toliy [00:24:30]:
Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's. If, if you're good at it, it's a very good skill. I mean, in all sports, there's people that get drafted one, you know, and like, all the way down in hundreds in football. Right. It does not mean that the person who gets drafted one is always, in all scenarios, better than two, three, four, and all the way down to 200. But the teams that have like the best general managers, the best scouting departments, like Steph Curry, I think he was drafted eleven. Right.
Toliy [00:24:55]:
And Knicks were actually drafted.
Eldar [00:24:56]:
He was the walk on in college.
Toliy [00:24:57]:
Yeah, yeah. Like Knicks were drafting twelve and they actually wanted him. And he got taken one pick before them. That means that ten teams before him said that, no, there's another guy that we're gonna take because he has more potential.
Joe [00:25:10]:
So us and us human and they're all wrong.
Eldar [00:25:12]:
No, I'm not sure.
Joe [00:25:15]:
Let me, let me give you one thing. Look, I want to rebuttal that you could, but he's. I'm gonna add to it.
Eldar [00:25:21]:
Okay, then I'm gonna have to rebuttal you.
Joe [00:25:23]:
That's fine.
Eldar [00:25:24]:
Go ahead.
Joe [00:25:24]:
But we're not equal as people that we could all see potential or be able to equally see potential. Like he was saying about players, even the players might not even be able to see the potential in themselves. People could see the potential, and then the person that has that. Those qualities or those attributes that could apply, and they might not even see it. Someone else that could see it just like anything else, like this room has potential. Someone who could design this room and walk in and we agree.
Eldar [00:25:56]:
So. But, but now the point I was just trying to make is to say that those people just couldn't do what the other person did with that potential, 100%. So this does not mean that they.
Toliy [00:26:09]:
Don'T have the same, they just don't.
Eldar [00:26:11]:
Have the same abilities.
Toliy [00:26:12]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:26:13]:
This particular person's potential, however, they have abilities in the other people that each, they chose to their potential. Does that make sense?
Toliy [00:26:22]:
Well, to unlock Stephen.
Eldar [00:26:25]:
No. What do you mean, no?
Toliy [00:26:26]:
No, I'm saying that, like, it also is a skill to have somebody help you in unlocking your potential.
Eldar [00:26:31]:
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Toliy [00:26:32]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:26:33]:
The whole point of it is the fact that those first ten teams.
Toliy [00:26:35]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:26:36]:
Probably didn't have the same empowerment in them to say that I can take a small player like Steph Curry, who's very skinny, who's not really good. Right. And, and, and create him into a greater shooter.
Toliy [00:26:47]:
Yeah. They say this all the time. They're like, in on, in, like, certain sports or teams, they're like, oh, if you get drafted in the wrong place, your career could be over. You know that, because it's a dog shit organization.
Joe [00:26:59]:
What's.
Toliy [00:26:59]:
Makes bad choices. Right.
Joe [00:27:00]:
What's the saddest thing in life.
Eldar [00:27:01]:
Yeah.
Joe [00:27:02]:
Waste of time, wasted talent. Right.
Mike [00:27:04]:
You might have, you see what just what's happening here.
Eldar [00:27:06]:
Joe. Potential is one thing, but then in, in this particular case, especially in the. Such a close knit relationship between player and a coach and the whole team, it's, it's a big dynamic there that you cannot say Steph Curry is Steph Curry because Steph Curry is Steph Curry. No, Steph Curry is because of Steve Kerr, influences green.
Joe [00:27:28]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:27:28]:
Thompson, the management, and everybody else.
Joe [00:27:32]:
Yeah. It's not.
Toliy [00:27:33]:
Yeah. But this also happens, too, where this is not a full act organization. There's people that are on different pages. The draft happens. Coach wants one guy, the GM's like, no, we gotta take that guy. And now there's a battle between.
Eldar [00:27:45]:
Yeah. Who you take, ability to see.
Toliy [00:27:49]:
Maybe the coach doesn't see something that this GM saw thousands of times, where this guy played somewhere or whatever movie.
Joe [00:27:56]:
Moneyball you saw the movie moneyball?
Mike [00:27:58]:
Yeah, yeah, I saw.
Joe [00:27:59]:
It's a book. The movie Brad Pitt plays. Yeah, he's the GM.
Alana [00:28:05]:
Yeah.
Joe [00:28:06]:
The GM of a baseball team.
Toliy [00:28:08]:
Right.
Joe [00:28:08]:
He was a player himself. He comes in, he gets this young guy who knows numbers, statistics. He develops a team, a young. A cheap, a very cheap, very manageable team that they could afford. But he was looking at statistics that players weren't going for the all stars. They were going for guys that get on base. This guy is great at buns. This guy's great at walks.
Joe [00:28:29]:
This guy's great at hits, and he developed fundamentals. Yeah, but a well working, oiled machine that could come and take a championship and not just get people, like, like all stars in each position, but they can't work well together, and it's gonna cost too much.
Eldar [00:28:42]:
Okay, that's a very good point, but, uh, as in that same movie that you're talking about, that, uh, wasn't it Mickey mantle is not gonna pay your rent.
Joe [00:28:50]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:28:51]:
Talk about these sports. Because these guys get thrown into organizations and they get developed. Their potential gets developed by somebody else.
Joe [00:28:59]:
What about an individual level outside of sports? Outside of sports? Yeah. Well, I mean, you got. You got people that influence you in your life. You got people that you look up to.
Eldar [00:29:09]:
Yeah.
Joe [00:29:09]:
You know, role models. You got family members, friends that, you know, that you could. You could rely on, on asking for advice. Or if someone sees something, that something going on, you, someone could step in and maybe help you with a mishap or falling, you know, messing up, and they could see that already for, you know, for coming and kind of just, like, help you navigate. So on. On a personal level, it's basically what you have around you or how strong you are meant, you know, as an.
Eldar [00:29:40]:
Individual, because you do good doing by yourself. Can you see your own potential? Can you see your own potential without the external help? Right. And then.
Toliy [00:29:48]:
And then maybe it's hard, but it's also, like, to me that it sounds like this potential thing is also very dependent. I don't know if you want to say, like, I don't know if we're, like, if we're in agreeance or, you know, if we're not that. Like, like, Joe was born in his family, no family, right? Like, all of us are all just, like. Like, I don't know if we. For example, like, I mean, we can have conversation around this, too, but I don't know if we were, like, if we had a choice in what families we were all born, right? We could have been born in, like, I don't know, some multi billionaire, right? And just, like, I don't know, got access to, like, I don't know, the best schools or, like, did something where, like, we, like, they want, like, we had a passion for arts or whatever, and they, like, threw us into, like, the best people of that, right. Or, like. Or if you bring it back to sports, I don't like LeBron's kids or Carmelo's kids, right? They. They could go and get the best training, like, best connections, best, like, know everybody, right? Like, get access to the best things versus, like, I don't know if you're born in, like, a third world country or if you're born in, like, a really dangerous area with.
Toliy [00:31:00]:
With, like, gang violence and, like, extreme poverty, right? The. That both individuals might have the same potential, but because they're. They're kind of grew up or raised or understand different environments, and they both developed different. What was that word we were using before?
Eldar [00:31:20]:
Nature versus nurture. Nurtures.
Toliy [00:31:21]:
No, no. They like tendencies or, like. Like, trained behaviors.
Eldar [00:31:27]:
What were you calling that before?
Toliy [00:31:29]:
No, no, like, trained behaviors. Like when people. Oh, conditioned in different ways.
Eldar [00:31:34]:
Yeah.
Toliy [00:31:34]:
Right. If you're conditioned to, like, I don't know, be in these, like, dangerous neighborhoods or, like, extreme poverty scenarios, I think that probably unlocking your potential. Not that it's impossible, but it definitely becomes difficult. Versus, like, you have a loving family, safe house. It doesn't mean that you're guaranteed that you will have a higher potential, but you might have particular circumstances where you might have a better chance. Or some people say they don't want to spoil their kids because they want them to also work hard, unlock their potential. Because if everything is so easy, you don't need anything at all. Like, unless you have very particular parents that could properly, like, teach you and push creativity and that kind of stuff, you might be, like, just like, a snobby kid that just, like, doesn't do anything over.
Toliy [00:32:27]:
So it's not one way or another thing.
Eldar [00:32:30]:
And saying is, like, potential should be towards the good. But, Joe, based on what he read, right, he said, yo, potential could be towards the back. So the kid that grows up and his ghetto environment is his environment, and he is the kid who has maybe thinking and reasoning, right, but maybe limited, right. He will potentially actualize himself in being a, you know, a gangbanger or go to jail.
Toliy [00:32:55]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:32:55]:
So is the requirement for ability. It's not just a think and reason, but is it to properly think and reason?
Eldar [00:33:00]:
See, that's.
Mike [00:33:00]:
Yeah, because people thinking properly. Well, things that are logical.
Eldar [00:33:06]:
Yeah, well, see, I'm not sure if we want to be in a subjective world. I think we're trying through reasoning and thinking, get to the objective world so we can free ourselves.
Toliy [00:33:16]:
Yeah, but see, I think the potential though still, it's, it's like in two different ways. Like there, there's the mathematical one where you could potentially like, you know, slip and fall. Yeah, there is a chance of that. Maybe an increased chance if the floor is slippery or versus the floor is like not right. You have the right and you have like. Yeah, the right shoes on.
Eldar [00:33:36]:
And then there's one right now, by the way, I would say the brand. Yes, but no, these are seriously not.
Joe [00:33:42]:
Giving you any sponsorship.
Eldar [00:33:43]:
No, we're not. But I'm telling you right now, after this show, Joe, I'm going to tell you about these shoes. These shoes are really good.
Toliy [00:33:50]:
Yeah. So, like, but also, like, when we're talking about person potential, they, like, if we're talking about a mathematical standpoint, they do have potential for Badlanda. Yeah, or potential for good. That is, that. But I think that in this sense we're talking about is like, let's just.
Eldar [00:34:06]:
We have to talk about the actualization. Right. And let's just say the actual.
Toliy [00:34:09]:
Yeah. That's always going to be in a, in, in, like in, in the scenario where it's like an ability in a human's capacity to unlock something inside of themselves. Like that, I think is like the.
Eldar [00:34:23]:
Umbrella of which is positive.
Toliy [00:34:26]:
Positive things. Yeah. Now there could be the negative things, but those are to me more mathematical based.
Mike [00:34:31]:
Right.
Toliy [00:34:32]:
Like no one's gonna be like, I'm trying to figure out a way where I could like potentially die in like a gang war. That would be a good goal.
Joe [00:34:39]:
What about, but like, what about people that, you know, actualize, you know, like people like Hitler and things like that? Like he came to a point where, you know, that's, that was his actualization. He believed, believe that was the right stuff to be doing.
Toliy [00:34:54]:
Well, see, there you go.
Eldar [00:34:56]:
Accomplish the gold or, Joe, he didn't accomplish. No, no, but see, what, see, what.
Toliy [00:35:02]:
You said is that he believed his perception that what he was doing was good.
Joe [00:35:07]:
Yeah, because we're talking about the ability to actualize and we're talking about being a positive way.
Toliy [00:35:12]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:35:13]:
Right.
Mike [00:35:13]:
But there's actualization necessarily mean that your actualization is for the benefit. It can't be a bad actualization once we actually, what if you become like the best bank robber in the whole world? Like bonnie and clyde?
Joe [00:35:24]:
Yeah.
Toliy [00:35:25]:
Yeah. But does actualization and inherently carry good or no?
Joe [00:35:29]:
I'm gonna look up actual. Make a reality. It's just make a reality of.
Toliy [00:35:41]:
Yeah.
Joe [00:35:41]:
He had actualized his dream and achieved the world record.
Eldar [00:35:45]:
That is not how we talk about solution, you, hierarchy of needs, maslow.
Joe [00:35:51]:
You know, we're talking about actualization.
Eldar [00:35:54]:
Self actualization. That's what, that's how we refer.
Mike [00:35:56]:
Yeah. Then I think that will be positive.
Eldar [00:35:58]:
Yeah, I'm not, this is not, this.
Joe [00:35:59]:
Is definitely about a self actualizer is a person who living creatively and full, fully, using his or her potential. It refuses. It refers to the desire for self fulfillment, namely to the tendency for him to become actualized and what he is potentially.
Alana [00:36:18]:
So it's really internal.
Toliy [00:36:20]:
What's part he refuses or what it says.
Joe [00:36:25]:
It refers to the desire for self fulfillment in what he is potentially.
Eldar [00:36:33]:
Okay.
Toliy [00:36:33]:
Yeah. So it sounds like it's fulfilling your potential.
Joe [00:36:38]:
So is that char, is this a chart you're talking about like Maslow's?
Eldar [00:36:41]:
Yeah.
Joe [00:36:41]:
So you got the physical, the safety, love, belonging. Yes. Your esteem, and then self actualization.
Eldar [00:36:47]:
Yeah. That's achieving the, you know, the true potential.
Joe [00:36:50]:
Creativity, spontaneity. Spontaneity. Problem solving, lack of prejudice, acceptance of.
Eldar [00:36:56]:
Facts, altruism, type of behavior. Right. You're no longer living for yourself. You're living for the greater good.
Joe [00:37:03]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:37:03]:
Right. Morals and ethics.
Joe [00:37:05]:
Yep. Like neo from the matrix, right?
Eldar [00:37:09]:
Yeah, pretty much, yeah. You know, waking everybody up.
Joe [00:37:11]:
Yeah.
Toliy [00:37:12]:
So, yeah, I mean, my understanding was that we were talking about potential in, like, a good way.
Eldar [00:37:21]:
To actualize the good. See? Like, to actualize. To actually actualize or talk about self actualized.
Toliy [00:37:26]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:37:26]:
Is to definitely. I don't know. Yeah, I think that. I think we have something in us to be able to really be good.
Alana [00:37:34]:
No, I think so too. But then we were talking about Hitler, actually.
Eldar [00:37:42]:
He didn't accomplish it.
Toliy [00:37:44]:
No, but he wasn't actual. He wasn't actualizing, though, for the good. Like, it's like saying that, no, he's.
Eldar [00:37:50]:
Not, but he was actually for the bad. But he didn't accomplish that.
Toliy [00:37:52]:
No, no, but I'm saying that, like, it might be an example in Hitler's case, or for example, let's say, a sick computer programmer that, like, you know, like, like, I don't know, like, like life events went one way or another to guide him towards, like, the route of, like, hacking and scamming and doing that and. Right. Like, that guy has potential because he may have these really good skills. He has potential to out to be on the other side. Right. And now be, like, on the cybersecurity side and preventing, for example, this kind of stuff. Right. That might be his potential when it comes to, like, a good side.
Toliy [00:38:29]:
Right. Or like, Hitler, maybe, if he had really good, like, a leadership abilities. Right. Or, like, he had, like, obviously, to do what he was trying to do or like, the things that he did, he had to have particular sets of skills, whether it was like, I don't know, like, manipulation or, like, convincing people or leading people.
Eldar [00:38:50]:
Yeah.
Toliy [00:38:50]:
Or like, some people said that, like, he was like, a incredible speaker. Right. And, like, amazing at, like, motivating people. Right. He also. Obviously, then if he did all that for bad, then you consider he did have potential to do that for the good, but he did not know. Well, yes, he did change his path, I guess. Like, from a potential standpoint, he had these abilities.
Eldar [00:39:17]:
No. I mean, I'm not sure, but they.
Toliy [00:39:19]:
Were just not unlocked and, like, he did not understand them for the good.
Eldar [00:39:23]:
He was a good speaker. Yeah, he was a good speaker to a particular set of individuals. He wasn't a good speaker for the whole world. No, no, but clearly the world got up and said, yo, sit down.
Toliy [00:39:34]:
No, but he might have had certain inherent abilities or skill that could be used towards good.
Joe [00:39:41]:
Yeah, the potential to be good.
Toliy [00:39:42]:
Potential. That's all I'm saying. Potential.
Eldar [00:39:44]:
And had the potential because of the fact that we saw what we saw with his realizing his ideas, ideology and stuff like that. We clearly saw that. Hey. Like, what the fuck?
Toliy [00:39:54]:
No, but I'm saying that, like, there was a particular drive and there was a particular set of. That was behind that drive. Obviously, everyone trying to say that he was human too.
Eldar [00:40:02]:
Yeah. No, yeah.
Toliy [00:40:04]:
Or it's like a hitman who's like the nastiest hit hitman who kills, I don't know, good guys for money. Right. He also has potential to do that to the bad guys.
Eldar [00:40:13]:
There's a trajectory between Hitler Hill or when he was born was a very nice, cute little baby to some parents. Yeah, agreed. Right. Then he had a trajectory through his life, or whatever it was, and there was a turn somewhere, I think is the turn that we never speak about, but I think throughout the whole time. Yes. He has potential for everything. Whatever, whatever. Whatever the skills that he did.
Eldar [00:40:32]:
It's just that he made the choice.
Joe [00:40:35]:
He never self actualized.
Eldar [00:40:37]:
No, he did not actualize anything.
Toliy [00:40:40]:
No, but he had potential is what I'm saying.
Eldar [00:40:43]:
Sure. Everybody does. That's my argument. Is that too, right. I say that we're not equal because of where we stand or in our lives. Right. Like I said, I'm in a relationship 14 years, for example. Mike is not.
Eldar [00:40:54]:
You know what I mean? We're in different points of our life in regards to relationship. You know, we're different there. Right. But the potential to actualize. We do have 100%. I think that's the only thing that might be sharing.
Toliy [00:41:06]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:41:06]:
Where are we gonna get to? The jury's out.
Mike [00:41:09]:
So what does it mean to have potential?
Eldar [00:41:11]:
Does it mean anything just like that?
Joe [00:41:14]:
It's like self. Self will or I, you know? And what's the term when differentiates us between, like, other species?
Eldar [00:41:27]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:41:27]:
The ability to reason.
Joe [00:41:29]:
They get reason by, like, having, like.
Eldar [00:41:35]:
We'Re not really capable of really understanding what they're thinking. No, because they might be the ones who actually control us.
Alana [00:41:41]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:41:41]:
Which they are.
Toliy [00:41:42]:
Really.
Eldar [00:41:42]:
They are. With your example, Alana. You know what I mean? We know your dogs control you. This is true. You know, look at my man. They sleep on the bed. You know, I'm actually happy for the fact that they come up on the bed trying to do this, like. You know what I mean?
Alana [00:42:04]:
So controlling.
Eldar [00:42:05]:
So controlling and stern, which is.
Toliy [00:42:08]:
Which is why.
Eldar [00:42:09]:
You know what I mean? But he then realized that he, you know, Alana's a good girl. You know, I want to be with.
Mike [00:42:13]:
Him for a long time.
Eldar [00:42:15]:
There's no threat of right here.
Alana [00:42:17]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:42:20]:
Yeah. So good shit. I'm glad that you're flexible still, despite the fact that you are hard headed.
Joe [00:42:24]:
Well, I grew up that way. I was. That was pressed on me. I got yelled at if. If I ever let the dog on the couch of bed.
Eldar [00:42:30]:
I know.
Joe [00:42:31]:
I wanted my champ to come up on the couch in the bed all the time.
Eldar [00:42:34]:
Yeah.
Joe [00:42:35]:
And when my parents run around.
Eldar [00:42:36]:
Yeah.
Joe [00:42:37]:
They were. You know, I had free reigns. I let. I let him do what he wanted, you know? But it was ingrained. I was conditioned for that, so. But, yeah, I leveled up. I'm all about.
Eldar [00:42:50]:
You don't have to defend that point. It's cool if you. If your heart became softer for the dogs. That's cool. Yeah. Very good. See? Yeah.
Joe [00:43:02]:
Because it. What's. What's it, a mad house, you know?
Eldar [00:43:05]:
Yeah. Once a man, we don't also don't want that reason understanding. Right. That's objective truth. Right. I would just say now that, hey, dogs running amok and barking all day long, nobody likes. Right. So there you go.
Eldar [00:43:16]:
That's your objective truth that you guys share. And therefore, we need to apply a little bit of pressure sometimes by using Joe's hard headed ways, which is fine. He's good at that. If you're not good at that, let him lose it. And that's. I think that's part of being integrated relationship. Let's talk about that, some of it.
Joe [00:43:32]:
All right, next topic.
Eldar [00:43:33]:
Yeah, for sure. Power couple over here. Shout out. Shout out. Yeah. Yeah. So what were you rambling about?
Toliy [00:43:40]:
Yeah, no, I think that, like. Yeah, potential is a very, like, um. I think in general, broad term. And I think that people have inherently, like. Like potential, but it takes either those individuals themselves or other individuals that could help point those things out.
Eldar [00:44:02]:
Mike, your question about potential. You had a problem.
Mike [00:44:05]:
Yeah. Does potential actually mean anything?
Toliy [00:44:07]:
I mean, depends, you know what?
Eldar [00:44:09]:
Based on the examples that we said, it depends on which hands. Yeah. So I can mean.
Mike [00:44:15]:
So does it actually mean anything?
Toliy [00:44:18]:
I think it does, yes.
Joe [00:44:20]:
It's tangible.
Mike [00:44:22]:
It is tangible.
Joe [00:44:23]:
Yeah. Something that can be, you know.
Eldar [00:44:28]:
Yeah. It could be one day, maybe. The scars have to align.
Alana [00:44:31]:
Yes.
Mike [00:44:32]:
If it's used, then it could be.
Eldar [00:44:34]:
Yeah. Right. Like the potential of. To actualize. But if there's plenty of people, Joe, right now, sitting there at home thinking that they're good at business, but they never opened the business. Right. They're thinking of this. Oh, they gotta be this, this.
Eldar [00:44:47]:
And their parents are pumping them. Their friends are pumping them. Yo, you should be so good at this. You'd be so good at this, right? The girls and boys that get, you know, into bad relationships, they break up and like, no, you deserve better than that. They don't tell them the truth. No, you don't.
Mike [00:45:01]:
Yeah, I feel like. I feel like the word piece of shit.
Eldar [00:45:04]:
And you deserve to get treated this way. Right. You know what I'm saying? How many. Right. You in a bad relationship. You were in a bad relationship. You was in a bad relationship. I was in the bad relationship.
Eldar [00:45:13]:
Everybody held me down. Everybody held you down.
Mike [00:45:16]:
Maybe it was premature, but they might have held us down with nonsense.
Eldar [00:45:20]:
Like, that's what I just said. You know what I'm saying? We pump smoke, right? We say, hey, bro, your potential is better, Mike, you.
Toliy [00:45:28]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:45:29]:
Be stepped on by this girl. Your potential is better.
Alana [00:45:31]:
But you tell yourself that, that's the problem.
Toliy [00:45:35]:
Potential is meaningless without the right acknowledgement, education and steps that go with it. That's for sure.
Eldar [00:45:42]:
I would have to say I have to go for you further towards Mike, with Mike's body getting to. But potential could be very dangerous. Yeah.
Mike [00:45:48]:
Potential is meaningless because it's always linked to a future version of yourself.
Joe [00:45:53]:
Correct.
Mike [00:45:54]:
How could it have any weight who you are now, if you're not living.
Eldar [00:45:57]:
Out, like, especially because you being pumped something that you can't jump over just.
Mike [00:46:01]:
Yet, potentially very dangerous.
Eldar [00:46:03]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:46:04]:
Yeah, it can be very dangerous.
Eldar [00:46:06]:
Stuck on saying, yo, influence you the wrong direction. Yeah. The thing is, it's. It's right direction. It's a wrong direction disguised by right rapping. Right. They're gonna say, Joe, you deserve so much better. You such a good audio engineer.
Eldar [00:46:23]:
You should be doing this. You should be working up there, up there, up there, up there, up there. You said you coming home. You're working on a regular show at home. You're getting small amount of money. Right. Everything else is kind of seems to be good, but because somebody puts you on the potential side of things, you're like, oh, I'm not so happy about that. You know, I could be potentially somewhere else.
Alana [00:46:40]:
And then you're disappointed about what's going.
Eldar [00:46:42]:
On in the world that you're in. That's what he's saying, hey, that future shit might actually make you suffer.
Mike [00:46:49]:
Yeah, but that's why you. If you say the thing where instead of putting potential, you say, everybody has the ability to think or reason to therefore self actualize. But who's gonna say that? It's like you're going through something and be like, yo, it's fucked up with you going through, but you have an ability to one day become a thinker, a reasonable person, so you can live a better life. Because that when you say, yo, you have potential, like you're loading the cannon. You're loading that person up.
Eldar [00:47:17]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:47:18]:
And what is that person gonna do? He's like, oh, that's the same thing.
Toliy [00:47:23]:
As saying that you have the ability to thinker.
Joe [00:47:25]:
Well, you don't think. But also you don't think motivating is good for people.
Eldar [00:47:29]:
I'm not a different question.
Mike [00:47:32]:
The thing is. Yeah, that's a question. Because a lot of times people feel like. My thought is that people sometimes feel that just by people giving them praise, they already feel like they already live in that. Like, why? You're such a good person. You're such a good person. Like, people come up, you know all. They're like, you such a good person.
Mike [00:47:50]:
You're such a good guy, you know? Like, you don't even know me. Like you said, you don't even know each other. How the fuck do you know my potential?
Eldar [00:47:57]:
Most people like, what?
Mike [00:47:58]:
They know each other.
Alana [00:48:01]:
Yeah, well, nowadays with, like, social media.
Eldar [00:48:04]:
Yeah.
Alana [00:48:05]:
All these people. People are not real people. You know, they're getting praised for absolutely nothing.
Mike [00:48:10]:
But it's falling on the ears of the people who have potential but don't know how to maybe properly use it, which is properly use the ability to think and reason.
Joe [00:48:18]:
So should we.
Mike [00:48:18]:
If I come to you and say, yo, yes, yo, you got the pot. You got the potential. You're 5ft five and you're like, you got the potential to be in an NBA. Yeah, I'm coming. I'm blowing smoke up your ass. And then you have to say, yo, let me use my ability. Think of reason. Matt short.
Mike [00:48:32]:
I got two left feet. What the fuck is this guy's telling me? Why is he telling me?
Eldar [00:48:37]:
He's trying to take me deep. Yeah.
Mike [00:48:38]:
It's like. Or, you know, hey, you got the potential to be in a good relationship.
Joe [00:48:42]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:48:43]:
What does that mean? You have the ability to think and learn. I mean, thinking, reason. Give me some fucking meat and potatoes here. You just, like, give me, like a blanket statement in a way. You blow me up.
Toliy [00:48:53]:
No, but, no, but potential is just like. I don't think it's meant to be, like, in the moment of, like a. Like a future. Like. Like, I don't think it's meant to be in the moment of giving somebody meat and potatoes. I think it's more of like a.
Mike [00:49:08]:
I know, but that's where the danger.
Eldar [00:49:10]:
Totally, but the dreams are born from what you're realizing certain potential about yourself and then you all sort of painted a dream.
Toliy [00:49:17]:
No, yeah, but then that, I think, is part of. Yeah, but I don't think.
Eldar [00:49:21]:
No, but I think that in reality.
Toliy [00:49:24]:
No, but I don't think that's like a. Like the fault of potential. I think that's like the problem. Like. Like it's a personal problem for people for not understanding how things work.
Mike [00:49:35]:
But that's exactly what ability is. That's what potential is. That's what my inability to think and reason.
Eldar [00:49:41]:
Yeah, yeah, but a lot of the times we use the word love potential, all these words that we're using, right. And they fall into people's ears like you just said, hey, me, you probably don't. Don't agree what an apple is. You know what I'm saying?
Toliy [00:49:55]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:49:56]:
No, you might be asian descent and to you, an apple is an asian pear. Yeah, to me it's a fucking apple. I'm from America.
Toliy [00:50:04]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:50:04]:
You know what I'm saying? So until we define what an apple is, how can we throw around such big, complex words like potential, like love, like respect.
Toliy [00:50:13]:
Well, because.
Eldar [00:50:14]:
Right.
Toliy [00:50:15]:
Well, yeah, but they're inherently. Yeah, but they're inherently, most of the time, like. Like, they might not to the people who use them incorrectly. Yeah, I probably agree that they generally don't. Don't mean much. No. Right, but.
Eldar [00:50:28]:
But aren't. They aren't.
Toliy [00:50:29]:
But they could be used as tools to help people unlock things that they cannot see about.
Eldar [00:50:34]:
I agree with that.
Toliy [00:50:35]:
Themselves.
Eldar [00:50:36]:
I agree with that.
Mike [00:50:36]:
But the very special circumstances, and that's how many.
Eldar [00:50:40]:
What's the problem? Curry, that was believed in, and. And now that he can rain threes from half court, bro, that's a lotto ticket.
Mike [00:50:50]:
Yeah.
Joe [00:50:50]:
So it's like. But I wanna.
Eldar [00:50:52]:
It's not supposed to happen. An anomaly.
Joe [00:50:53]:
Let me ask. Abilities, right? You're either able or you're unable. But if you're unable, you should be able to become able with either practice unlocking that ability to, you know. And then again, also talent. Talent can drive.
Eldar [00:51:11]:
It's another word.
Joe [00:51:12]:
Can drive. Can drive you. Whatever you need. You have tat. You have that talent. You can learn that talent. You might already have it naturally, but you can learn it. But if you.
Joe [00:51:21]:
If you work towards that talent, you have that ability, which will unlock your potential. I like to.
Eldar [00:51:28]:
Yeah, these.
Joe [00:51:30]:
These terms are words I'm just drawing in there so we could digest or talk about it.
Eldar [00:51:34]:
You're trying to confuse us.
Toliy [00:51:35]:
Well, on purpose. I mean, like, those are tough.
Joe [00:51:38]:
I mean, like, double, like when you. Because you're talking about motivating, right, and saying someone has talent. Like, I'm not blowing smoke up your ass, but you guys have talent. And if I say what the talents are, they either going to ring home or you're going to be like, I didn't know I had that talent. Like your mom, right? Like, she paints. Did she know she had that talent? Or did someone just give her easel and she started painting and like, yo, you just unlocked your. This hidden talent. You had your abilities, you know, and she potentially could be a world renowned artiste if she wanted to take it.
Eldar [00:52:09]:
Not in the digital world, right?
Toliy [00:52:12]:
No, no, but, like, in example of that, to piggyback, what you were saying was, for example, Steph Curry, right?
Eldar [00:52:18]:
Yeah.
Toliy [00:52:18]:
They. Like in basketball, for example. Right? And you'll agree with everything I'm saying here, right?
Eldar [00:52:26]:
Wait, why are you saying, like, I.
Toliy [00:52:29]:
Know that you have the potential to see what I'm about to say? Yes.
Eldar [00:52:36]:
I'm gonna pay close attention, and I'm gonna find a fucking hole.
Joe [00:52:39]:
So you better agree. He said, you will agree with him.
Eldar [00:52:42]:
That's bad.
Toliy [00:52:43]:
On this. On this.
Eldar [00:52:45]:
Okay, fine. No, no, don't fucking take that back. Help me.
Toliy [00:52:54]:
I'm gonna first make a statement. People say in the, in, in the, for example, the basketball sphere, that Steph Curry is a more influential, influential player, for example, then LeBron James. It does not mean statistically or just in general that Steph Curry will go down as a better player than LeBron James. But this is what they say is that once Steph Curry started doing what he was doing, what happened around the NBA, I know people's what happened.
Eldar [00:53:28]:
Every little kid started shooting crazy threes and NBA.
Toliy [00:53:32]:
And like NBA in the sixties, seventies, eighties, even in nineties, right. Was about big guys like Shaq throw the ball in there, right? They do sky hooks. They post people up, stuff like that.
Eldar [00:53:46]:
Fundamentals.
Toliy [00:53:46]:
It's a fundamental half court type of game. Once, you know, for example, Jordan came in, started going more fast paced dunking. Everybody wanted to do dunks and stuff like that. Right. Right. Then, like, LeBron came as this, like more bigger guy that could be the strong guy that could do multifaceted things. But they still say that Steph Curry is a more influential player because now I disagree.
Eldar [00:54:12]:
I found a hole.
Toliy [00:54:13]:
Okay, fine. That I found, like, I will close. Yeah. For example, like, it's not that like, people had, didn't have like, like particular types of strengths or arms. It's not like people.
Eldar [00:54:25]:
Oh, didn't. That's the whole. What? No, no, no. That's the whole statistically. Totally.
Toliy [00:54:30]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:54:30]:
You cannot become a Michael Jordan or LeBron James.
Toliy [00:54:33]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:54:34]:
If you don't have height and you don't have hops.
Toliy [00:54:36]:
100%.
Eldar [00:54:37]:
Okay.
Toliy [00:54:38]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:54:38]:
Therefore, therefore, naturally, the dunking aspect of the game that LeBron James and Michael Jordan shows. Right. Statistically is going to be a small margin with shooting a ball from far. You don't need much.
Toliy [00:54:50]:
No, 100% that I'm talking about. Therefore.
Eldar [00:54:53]:
Therefore a shooter will always like a Steph Curry shooter. Right. Will be more influential, though, LeBron James.
Toliy [00:54:58]:
And 100% because it also appeals more of them, of the masses. Why? Why? Well, because more people have potential pounds. Yeah.
Eldar [00:55:08]:
You can replicate a Steph Curry.
Toliy [00:55:09]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:55:10]:
Replicate LeBron James.
Toliy [00:55:11]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:55:12]:
Yeah.
Toliy [00:55:12]:
No, that's your hole.
Eldar [00:55:14]:
That.
Toliy [00:55:14]:
No, that's not a whole. That's what I agree with. No, I was. I'm driving two points here.
Eldar [00:55:18]:
1St.
Toliy [00:55:19]:
1St off, that I agree with you that Steph Curry appeals to more of the masses.
Eldar [00:55:23]:
That is why he's not me. Actually. More influential because.
Toliy [00:55:27]:
No.
Eldar [00:55:27]:
See the correlation that more kids have thrown the crazy half court shots. No, no.
Toliy [00:55:32]:
No, I'm not talking about that. Steph Curry changed. Steph Curry changed the way it's easier.
Joe [00:55:37]:
To shoot and this is done.
Toliy [00:55:38]:
There you go. Steph Curry changed the way that the NBA in particular, not forget about kids in general. The NBA is played now. You look at teams.
Mike [00:55:49]:
Yeah, but wait, have those. Is that also limited to this generation? Because Jordan changed the game for a certain amount of time. Ten years. Then Lebron came. He changed the game for ten years.
Eldar [00:55:59]:
No, no.
Toliy [00:56:00]:
He helped address, like Steph Curry helped address like, I would say that time this all down to potential. I think that he had a particular, like, like either him or coaches. People around them may maybe help them with this. They had a certain vision of how the game maybe could be played. And he.
Eldar [00:56:19]:
No, I don't think it was a numbers game. I think statistics show for itself. They showed us that Steph Curry can do a three point shot, 50% of better. We don't need a Shaq who can, who can miss the layups three, four times, 100%.
Toliy [00:56:30]:
But that had to be, that had to be done by an individual that can pave that path. And now.
Eldar [00:56:34]:
Correct.
Toliy [00:56:35]:
Unlocked it.
Eldar [00:56:36]:
Yes.
Toliy [00:56:36]:
You see? Unlocked what potential. Now team c, they're like, wait. We don't need these slow big guys that are just gonna miss free throws and slow the game down. Wait, and fans like this more. There's gonna be more exciting when you.
Eldar [00:56:50]:
Throw it then when you lay it off. Yeah.
Mike [00:57:04]:
Generational thing.
Toliy [00:57:04]:
Somebody watches.
Mike [00:57:06]:
What was to say that the game will not change in five years, ten years, and it'll be a completely different.
Eldar [00:57:12]:
Thing if you have people who is gonna be seven footers all. Yes.
Mike [00:57:16]:
Well, he's saying that. He said, no, no.
Eldar [00:57:18]:
Trying to win the game. At the end of the day, I think it's statistical probability. They've seen that. Hey, when Steph Curry's on the court of people that can shoot, they score more points and they just run people off the court. They have to play defense. Yeah.
Toliy [00:57:27]:
Then came also during the same time came a new breed of people, people like Kevin Durant, who are 7ft tall but could also handle and dribble the ball.
Mike [00:57:37]:
See, there's another thing now it's coming around.
Toliy [00:57:40]:
Association was tall people, clumsy, can dribble, can't work.
Mike [00:57:45]:
That's how it was.
Toliy [00:57:46]:
Now you have this new top prospect who's like seven six or seven five, who can chew, dribble, do everything. And they're like, he's the best practice of all time. Never, never seen before, this french kid. Right.
Mike [00:57:57]:
And if everybody's getting bigger, taller, like the human. If I think in 1015 years, the game is going to change again.
Toliy [00:58:08]:
Yeah, yeah. Or, for example, if that kid, though, grew up in a different generation, the people around him may have thrown him into the post and tell him that he just has to sit there because the potential that Kevin Durant paved or that Dirk Nowitzki paid paved that these big guys before could not.
Mike [00:58:25]:
So now the whole league, everybody's a shooters.
Toliy [00:58:27]:
Well, they three point shooters have. So they there. There's no micro data on this big.
Eldar [00:58:34]:
Shift, makeshift big shift.
Toliy [00:58:37]:
A date on this, a big thing right now. For example, a big loophole they saw in the NBA was that there's a guard that could dribble the ball up. There's a big guy that could come up and screen him. And now you gotta switch. Okay? You have a seven footer versus a six footer. And the guy who's 6ft is really nimble. Yeah. Like nimble crafting fast.
Toliy [00:58:59]:
And he's gonna be able to beat one on one, this big guy who's slow. No. And not be able to catch up. So now they're like, wait, we can't even play these big seven foot guys because they're gonna be a hole that's gonna be, like, exposed.
Eldar [00:59:12]:
Yeah, exposed.
Toliy [00:59:13]:
So now you have to be a big guy who is also nimble and able to defend the switch. Otherwise, you're just not gonna see play.
Eldar [00:59:19]:
We no longer see the Shaqs or the Hakeem Olajuans or the Patrick ewing Joe.
Mike [00:59:23]:
Mm hmm.
Toliy [00:59:25]:
That NBA is almost very close to the dominating factor, and they were in the nineties. These are the dominant guys.
Joe [00:59:31]:
They don't see potential.
Eldar [00:59:33]:
That's it.
Toliy [00:59:34]:
They've unlocked a bigger thing. Saying that we got those math guys, like, in moneyball came in and said, like, wait, you shoot the ball from two pointer, let's say 55% of the time, but from three pointer 45% of the time. But it's worth one extra point.
Eldar [00:59:48]:
You should be shooting. You should be shooting ways only.
Toliy [00:59:51]:
Yeah, yeah.
Eldar [00:59:53]:
Why waste your time?
Toliy [00:59:55]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:59:55]:
And even if it's a 10% margin, you can see that by one point, it adds up more.
Toliy [00:59:58]:
Yes, yes. That had to be unlocked. And people like Steph Curry, who did something that, like, if you're in high school prior to then, like, you start doing these kind of things, like, the coach is going to sit you or you're going to be afraid to do it to begin with because it is not acceptable to shoot. From so far, this is like a bad shot. It's not good. It's wrong. Steph Curry. Everyone's eyes lit up to what he was doing that nobody else in history has ever done prior to him, and he made that possible.
Toliy [01:00:26]:
And now people are like, wait, there's more of these people? And now we can work on more of these things. And like Eldar said, there's going to be more people out there that could shoot threes, that can jump in the free throw line.
Eldar [01:00:38]:
The thing is, with this particular potential, I think that, you know, stuff her case, he had help, a lot of hope.
Toliy [01:00:47]:
100%.
Mike [01:00:48]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:00:49]:
His dad also was an NBA games. He sat on the bench.
Eldar [01:00:57]:
Personal potential. The fact that we don't have millions.
Mike [01:01:01]:
Of dollars and all these people wanted to invest in developing.
Eldar [01:01:04]:
Invest and develop our potential.
Mike [01:01:05]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:01:06]:
Yeah. I mean, I think us as, like, an. Unlike an individual level, I think that we can make our best efforts to try to strive towards the truth and then try to help put ourselves in the right position, to me, to maybe see our potential and take actionable steps to actually live it, then just always have it as, like, a pipe drink.
Eldar [01:01:30]:
So. Okay, so, next to the next question and the problem, which is, okay, you saw the potential now, right? And we just found out that actually. Potential. Seeing your potential and not doing anything about it actually causes pain. You know, your board. Your board is filled with a lot of great things. I want to do this. I want to become this.
Eldar [01:01:47]:
I wanted to be this type of person. Honest, caring, compassion, and philanthropy. You know what I mean? You know, taking care of yourself, making sure you're on point. Are you doing all that? Yeah. But you discover that potential, and now it's.
Mike [01:02:00]:
Does saying those things or having. I think it's thinking. I think having that pass, having those things, does it? Um.
Eldar [01:02:11]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:02:12]:
Like, I'm thinking, how does it actually affect you?
Eldar [01:02:14]:
I. Most of the time, I think it affects in a very negative way. Yeah. Because of the fact that you then start becoming resentful towards yourself, resentful towards the world, or you start pointing fingers as to why your potential is not the actual. Right. Hey, mom, you didn't do this. You know, and therefore, I couldn't do this. You know, I didn't go to this school or this, you know, camp, but I have potential.
Eldar [01:02:36]:
Everybody keeps telling me I have a really good shot. You know what I mean?
Alana [01:02:39]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:02:40]:
And then what's happening to you? You start dwindling down and start feeling bad for yourself, start resenting the world, yourself, and everybody else in it.
Toliy [01:02:49]:
Yeah, but, I mean, what is.
Eldar [01:02:51]:
So, I mean, maybe we can go back into the competition you had, right? As soon as we realize maybe potential, we realize also a dream, a new dream for ourselves. Right. And if we want that dream, we need to bridge that gap with actual action.
Alana [01:03:03]:
I think a lot of that has to do to whether a person has an internal locus of control or an external.
Eldar [01:03:10]:
Okay, now you have to educate us on that.
Alana [01:03:14]:
No, this is like, like you're saying. It's like you might have that goal for yourself, but if you're saying, mom, why didn't you put me in this camp? Mom, why didn't you do this for me? You're expecting someone else to hand you that goal. Whereas if you're a person who comes from nothing and you are a go getter and you go and get that yourself, you have the internal power to your. Your power is internal, it's not external. Whereas, like, a lot of people think.
Eldar [01:03:39]:
That someone is power in the first.
Alana [01:03:42]:
Place when it's external.
Joe [01:03:47]:
How can that not be power? It's. Yes, no, it's, it's, it's still an asset to be used.
Eldar [01:03:54]:
What are you relying on?
Alana [01:03:58]:
External locus of control is when you blame everyone else.
Joe [01:04:01]:
Oh, no, I'm not saying that.
Alana [01:04:03]:
For your life not being good. I was so, you know, a lot of people live. I'm not rich.
Toliy [01:04:10]:
I'm not.
Alana [01:04:12]:
Why didn't this happen?
Joe [01:04:13]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:04:13]:
Or like the, the reliance on, like, external forces to be happy. Like, you're only happy.
Alana [01:04:20]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:04:20]:
That's like saying that, like, you know, 50% of the time you're gonna be not happy.
Eldar [01:04:26]:
You're fucking using a green light. You know what I mean? Like, I always.
Toliy [01:04:34]:
Saying that, like, that'll be an external force that drives.
Mike [01:04:39]:
You gotta cut him off, bro.
Eldar [01:04:40]:
Yeah, but.
Joe [01:04:44]:
Are you looking out the window at your light? Are you in the car?
Mike [01:04:47]:
He actually usually drives through on red lights.
Toliy [01:04:51]:
No, I'm saying is that like all these different things, if they're, if you're better.
Eldar [01:04:55]:
External. External factor, please.
Joe [01:04:57]:
All right.
Mike [01:04:57]:
I mean, like, use the referee. Example is. I'll leave for you.
Toliy [01:05:01]:
Yeah, I mean, like, oh my God. Any, any external force. Any external force.
Eldar [01:05:11]:
You.
Toliy [01:05:11]:
I mean, like, bring up any example where. If you have any examples where you.
Eldar [01:05:15]:
Rely a long line at a post office.
Toliy [01:05:17]:
Yeah, totally. Right.
Joe [01:05:20]:
You just said use an example. And you're, you saying example as your example.
Eldar [01:05:28]:
You know what I'm saying?
Toliy [01:05:31]:
If your happiness is relying, for example, on the people in your firehouse. Right? Like, if there's gonna be that asshole guy that he's an asshole. And if that's gonna be what's reliant and contingent upon you enjoying your job and having fun and having a good time, then, like, you're basically saying that, like, I'm just. I'm just, like, playing, like, a dice here. Right? It's just like a dice rolls is. Yeah.
Eldar [01:05:55]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:05:56]:
That means that you're throwing your own happiness outside somebody in those hands. Right?
Mike [01:06:01]:
Like, serious?
Eldar [01:06:01]:
Yeah, let's talk about it.
Toliy [01:06:03]:
Yeah. Yeah. Relying on the internals is you having kind of a full control. As much as you can over what makes it.
Eldar [01:06:14]:
Let me throw the range in the process. It sounds like the potential is external.
Toliy [01:06:20]:
I mean, it depends.
Eldar [01:06:21]:
Future. Joe read the definition. We knew it. He had to read it to us.
Toliy [01:06:24]:
But future within who? Future within a person. Huh? I'm not sure if it has to.
Alana [01:06:32]:
Be, but you could also have, you know, you can consider your own potential. We're talking about it. When someone else says that person has potential, that's external.
Eldar [01:06:43]:
How about this? How about this? If anybody has to remind you of your own potential.
Alana [01:06:46]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:06:47]:
You were in trouble.
Alana [01:06:47]:
Of course.
Toliy [01:06:48]:
Yes.
Alana [01:06:48]:
Because that's external. That should be inside. Whereas if I say I can do this, I can do that, I can do all this stuff.
Eldar [01:06:54]:
Correct.
Alana [01:06:54]:
That's a positive thing, because I will try to achieve that, because that's in my head, not someone else's. So I think it can be both.
Eldar [01:07:01]:
But majority of individuals probably struggle with the actualization part, which is, again, they don't know, probably where the external potential versus internal potential is.
Alana [01:07:11]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:07:11]:
You know? Oh, is that not true?
Joe [01:07:14]:
True. Right.
Mike [01:07:16]:
So what do you guys call external potential? Like when people just tell you, hey.
Eldar [01:07:20]:
I mean, yeah, yeah. External potential is where other people recognize. Right. Your abilities. Or they could be right around motivate, but they could be right around way off. I'll be honest with you. Yeah. You deserve better than that, Mike.
Eldar [01:07:33]:
No, you're not. You're a piece of shit.
Mike [01:07:35]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:07:40]:
You know what I'm saying? You're supposed to eat dirt.
Toliy [01:07:44]:
But I'm not sure if that. If that's potential. Talking about potential.
Eldar [01:07:47]:
Hmm. I know. Yeah. If you continue to deserve card argument. Yeah. You deserve more. Why do you deserve more? Well, because you actually have a good big heart, Mikey.
Toliy [01:07:59]:
No, but that's someone's observation that, like, they're the ones there.
Eldar [01:08:03]:
No, but there. I can continue it, therefore. Yeah, a person with a big heart should have a person with another big heart. And clearly she has a small heart. She's abusing.
Toliy [01:08:11]:
No, but then, no, but then, like, if you start, like. Like, talking about each one of those lines individually, the person could be wrong from. From. From the beginning.
Eldar [01:08:20]:
Sooner or later, there's gonna be an awkward moment without one person tells you, hey, I believe this about you. And that person doesn't actually agree with you because internally, he knows he's a piece of shit, but he kind of goes along with the ride.
Joe [01:08:31]:
Mm hmm.
Eldar [01:08:31]:
You know what I'm saying? So that person will have to live out certain sufferings for a period of time in order to. For it to click it to say, actually, no, actually, I disagree with that line, but I never rebutted it because I'm a piece of shit.
Toliy [01:08:44]:
Yeah. No, I just think that that observation, that person was making. The observation is probably wrong to begin with.
Eldar [01:08:52]:
Yeah.
Alana [01:08:52]:
Right.
Toliy [01:08:53]:
Like they're saying, oh, no. Like, you deserve better because you have a big heart. Like, if you start going and, like, trying to, like, see that line by line. Well, like, what do you mean by that? Right. Yeah, yeah, but there does that. Yeah, but that person who's giving. Who's giving you the stamp of approval that you have potential. Potential, yeah.
Toliy [01:09:10]:
Could be wrong about the observations that they saw by your potential to begin with. Right. Because then people's minds change. They can be like, oh, look at this. Like, if you want to bring him back to sports, this player. Look at him good. This. That.
Toliy [01:09:21]:
He has a lot of potential. Now, that person goes in, actually spends time with the person, spends a year with him, training him. He's like, yo, this guy is a lost cause. He doesn't listen.
Eldar [01:09:30]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:09:30]:
He sleeps in lake. He doesn't eat. Right, right. And they could change their mind because, like, their. Their observation of potential is an observation based on the information that they see at hand, correct?
Eldar [01:09:43]:
No, but they are operating out of it. Out of the data that they are presented in that moment.
Toliy [01:09:48]:
Yes. Right.
Eldar [01:09:49]:
Ben Simmons. Tall guy, good skills, everything else.
Toliy [01:09:52]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:09:52]:
Then they throw window the audience. I don't know if you know Ben Simmons. He's a guy in the New Jersey Nets now. Really good basketball player, really good prospect. The top right of.
Toliy [01:10:01]:
Yeah. Number one pick.
Eldar [01:10:03]:
Number one pick in NBA. Okay. It's completely trashing right now. Or before it was.
Joe [01:10:10]:
Why?
Eldar [01:10:11]:
Because he has anxiety.
Mike [01:10:12]:
Right.
Eldar [01:10:13]:
They didn't predict the fact that when he's in front of all these people talking shit about him, he can't perform at all behind the scenes. He kills everybody. But as soon as you put the variable of individuals see, it's an eternal thing. Right?
Alana [01:10:28]:
Yeah.
Joe [01:10:28]:
So they're.
Eldar [01:10:32]:
That's my question.
Alana [01:10:33]:
Well, look at, like. You remember the figure skater, Tonya Harding?
Eldar [01:10:37]:
I don't know.
Alana [01:10:38]:
That big in the nineties, she was huge. She was the first figure skater to do the triple Axel. She won all these medals for the US. She had the most, like, physically strong body as a figure skater. She had big, thick legs. Like, they all were little spindly girls. She did so, so much, went around the world doing it. But she had an abusive mother, an abusive boyfriend.
Alana [01:11:01]:
She fucked her whole career because. Because of her internal demons, you know, it's like she had the best physical body to be doing that job, but she, you know.
Eldar [01:11:10]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:11:10]:
She doesn't. So is it. Is it the ability to think and reason, but clearly, properly, but also to thinking clear and think and reason clearly about yourself and who you are as a person.
Joe [01:11:23]:
Yeah. So people could have seen the external potential.
Toliy [01:11:26]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:11:27]:
But she didn't think about herself like that.
Joe [01:11:30]:
She doesn't see it. She will not be able to get there cheap.
Eldar [01:11:33]:
So it sounds like there's many factors that I play here.
Mike [01:11:35]:
Yeah. Yeah.
Eldar [01:11:37]:
One thing is to see it in yourself.
Joe [01:11:38]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:11:39]:
Another thing, the world to see it.
Alana [01:11:40]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:11:41]:
If those two connect, you can have a step curry anomaly, which changes the scope of the server.
Toliy [01:11:47]:
But again, that's what I was saying before, is that the potential, she's like, we could still. Even as she fucked everything up, we could still say that she did have potential to do this, but the truth is that she didn't.
Eldar [01:11:58]:
Like.
Toliy [01:11:58]:
She didn't actually do it.
Eldar [01:11:59]:
Yes.
Toliy [01:11:59]:
So, like. Like, potential. Yeah, is good. Like, like. But it's only actually useful where you can connect. Like the dying and the education behind.
Joe [01:12:14]:
You can't do this for everyone. I mean, like.
Alana [01:12:16]:
Yeah, it's just.
Eldar [01:12:17]:
Thanks the way it is. But that's why we have to kind of figure this out in this podcast. So how to do this on an individual level to actualize the small things, right. So if we like to fucking be weird and like Pokemon cards, passion for that kind of shit, fucking, so be it. Yeah. Actualize yourself in that. Know every fucking character, know how to play, know how to sell the shit, make a living out of it, talk about it passionately and enjoy. Like, play counter strike, Harvey harvest fucking shit from the counter strike.
Mike [01:12:45]:
Right.
Alana [01:12:46]:
Not at two in the morning in.
Eldar [01:12:47]:
The bed when you're screaming.
Joe [01:12:52]:
Impression.
Toliy [01:12:56]:
Yeah, no, but I mean, same thing in video games. There's people who get paid millions of dollars a month to sit there and stream and play video games. There's people who don't. It doesn't mean that one player is. It doesn't mean that that's the best player.
Joe [01:13:11]:
Right?
Toliy [01:13:12]:
Same thing as, like, the best basketball player might have never, ever played in the NBA.
Eldar [01:13:16]:
Right? Yeah.
Joe [01:13:17]:
Well, the best artists. We know the best artists, just no one else.
Eldar [01:13:21]:
Exactly, Joe. Thank you. We know the best artist that nobody knows about. And he's actually never painted before.
Joe [01:13:27]:
Yeah, it's crazy.
Eldar [01:13:28]:
So it's a contradiction where you will never be able to. Nobody would ever be able to find out about this person. You don't have to listen to the podcast.
Joe [01:13:39]:
You gotta tune in.
Eldar [01:13:39]:
Yeah, you gotta tune in. This guy is the truth. This guy is the truth. You know, and if you find out the fascinating part and how we deducted that, that's why Joe found it very funny. You know how we discovered this artist.
Joe [01:13:54]:
Lifted a rock and he was just there.
Eldar [01:13:57]:
He did not know he was an artist.
Toliy [01:13:59]:
Yeah, fascinating, right?
Eldar [01:14:02]:
Right?
Joe [01:14:03]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:14:04]:
He did not know he was an artist.
Joe [01:14:05]:
Astonishing.
Eldar [01:14:06]:
And then we just realized. We realized and he realized that he's the greatest artist of the whole world. No, no, this shit is actually here now.
Joe [01:14:24]:
Exists.
Eldar [01:14:25]:
He exists today, and nobody knows about it. It's a sickest shit when we discovered it. I mean, listen, you have to meet him.
Toliy [01:14:33]:
You might have to elaborate as to why.
Joe [01:14:35]:
If I could buy stock, I would have dumped. I would dump everything.
Eldar [01:14:38]:
Everything. Thank you.
Joe [01:14:39]:
There's no. There's no ticker symbol.
Eldar [01:14:48]:
I could define this guy's value. You understand this shit? Yo, Joe, you know what, Joe? I have ideas of what's his name, t shirts, of t shirts, and you still made it. There's no ticker.
Mike [01:14:58]:
There's no.
Eldar [01:15:00]:
There is no ticker symbol to define. To define this guy's value. To define my value. To define my value.
Joe [01:15:11]:
Holy shit, Joe, get it now?
Eldar [01:15:15]:
That's a limited amount of teachers. I'm gonna make it out. Yeah, we discovered it. You understand? Yo, did we not discover the steph curry of art, Joe?
Joe [01:15:32]:
Is that bad? Is that a bad thing? And, yeah, it's bad because we see the potential. The artist. It doesn't see potential.
Eldar [01:15:44]:
Wait, wait, wait, wait. The jury still outro. You gotta, you know, think good things take time. You know what I mean?
Joe [01:15:49]:
He was a flip flopper, though.
Mike [01:15:50]:
He was.
Eldar [01:15:50]:
Yes, but you had him.
Joe [01:15:52]:
You had him up here, and then you guys dropped.
Eldar [01:15:55]:
He called me down. He came over the house. He's like, yo, hold up. I was actually thinking about sick.
Mike [01:16:05]:
What do you say? You understand what he said?
Eldar [01:16:07]:
Yeah, tom. What?
Toliy [01:16:08]:
You know, he's like, yeah, you know.
Eldar [01:16:09]:
Like, I really gotta, like, be about it, you know?
Mike [01:16:12]:
He understood the potential.
Eldar [01:16:14]:
No, I don't think. Not yet. But if we continue, it's cultivating. It's cultivating.
Mike [01:16:19]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:16:21]:
And one day it'll become objective.
Joe [01:16:22]:
Yo, can we call him live? Tune in, huh? Can we call him live?
Eldar [01:16:26]:
But where the fuck is he?
Mike [01:16:28]:
He's not coming. He told me he fucked out of.
Joe [01:16:32]:
Let's just say. Yeah, let's just prove to everyone, give us what's on. What's on your head right now. In 1 minute, say something that's on the top of your head. We just want to reveal your. The truth, his artistic ability. Get him on speakerphone.
Eldar [01:16:48]:
Yeah.
Joe [01:16:49]:
And just say, yo, oh, my God. We're not gonna explain anything to you. Yes, just talk for 1 minute.
Eldar [01:16:52]:
For 1 minute off the top. Yeah, 100%. Because it's a very good idea.
Joe [01:16:56]:
Give us what you. Yes, you were thinking about. No, no, no.
Mike [01:17:00]:
Watch this.
Eldar [01:17:00]:
Watch this. And you will be surprisingly. Astonished, shocked. You're gonna be. It's gonna be so profound. It's gonna change your life.
Alana [01:17:07]:
Okay, I'm ready.
Joe [01:17:12]:
And then hang up.
Toliy [01:17:13]:
Yeah, and then hang up.
Joe [01:17:15]:
It'll be recorded forever. You could replay it. People could buy this podcast.
Eldar [01:17:20]:
Yeah.
Joe [01:17:20]:
Because it's gonna be the most valuable.
Eldar [01:17:22]:
Yeah. Sound bite in existence.
Joe [01:17:26]:
This might be a t shirt right up there.
Eldar [01:17:33]:
Yo, tom, listen to me. Don't say a word, okay? Listen to me. It's like, it's like right now I'm calling like, who wants to be a millionaire? 30 seconds to a friend. Phone a friend. Tom, I want you to speak for 1 minute and just say whatever, whatever's on your mind for 1 minute straight. Man, this is tough, dude.
Toliy [01:17:54]:
I mean, I literally just turned off the Tv so I could focus on what you're saying.
Eldar [01:17:58]:
And now you're telling me, like, darkness?
Joe [01:18:02]:
What the hell am I supposed to say? Do I get a fucking lifeline?
Toliy [01:18:15]:
I don't get to call a friend?
Eldar [01:18:22]:
You guys are wild, man. How many seconds has it been?
Toliy [01:18:38]:
Yo, where's the fucking bail me out of jail message?
Eldar [01:18:44]:
Tom would like for you to accept this call.
Toliy [01:18:53]:
All right, that's all, folks.
Eldar [01:19:11]:
I just had to turn off my tv.
Toliy [01:19:13]:
Do you understand what you're saying?
Eldar [01:19:18]:
And then he just overheard about absolutely nothing.
Joe [01:19:23]:
But he finished off with. That's all, folks. Yeah, but he did steal that. That was from poking the pig.
Eldar [01:19:30]:
Has there ever been a thing like that? There have been. There's been Justin Bieber, right?
Joe [01:19:36]:
Yeah. He's common guy though, you know?
Eldar [01:19:37]:
No, I'm saying Justin Bieber was, you know, discover on the stairs of, like, somewhere in Canada.
Mike [01:19:42]:
Right?
Eldar [01:19:42]:
Yeah.
Alana [01:19:43]:
He didn't know, but he was talented.
Eldar [01:19:46]:
He was.
Alana [01:19:47]:
He was a musician already, like a child, you know?
Eldar [01:19:51]:
I didn't know he was actually good. I thought he was, like, built into good.
Alana [01:19:55]:
He was already performing when he was a little kid.
Eldar [01:19:58]:
Yeah, yeah. That was odd.
Toliy [01:20:07]:
Like, he said nothing, but he said everything.
Eldar [01:20:12]:
You understand.
Toliy [01:20:13]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:20:15]:
I've never. You see, you might. You might be laughing at it, Lana. But the person was completely in tune with what we were in tune with, and he joined in.
Toliy [01:20:24]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:20:25]:
For that moment.
Alana [01:20:25]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:20:26]:
And he mean it.
Eldar [01:20:27]:
What it was. Yeah, yeah, that's art.
Joe [01:20:29]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:20:29]:
He.
Joe [01:20:30]:
He's on, like, different wavelengths.
Eldar [01:20:32]:
You understand? Yeah. Yeah.
Joe [01:20:33]:
He could see everything.
Eldar [01:20:34]:
Yeah.
Joe [01:20:35]:
In, like, rf.
Eldar [01:20:36]:
Yes. 100%.
Joe [01:20:38]:
The way we, like, turn on a radio and we just tune into the frequency. He just sees the frequencies.
Eldar [01:20:44]:
Yeah.
Joe [01:20:45]:
Doesn't have to, like, you know, you see the Matrix island?
Alana [01:20:47]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:20:47]:
The numbers.
Alana [01:20:48]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:20:48]:
He sees the numbers is what he's saying.
Joe [01:20:51]:
He's always in tune. So if you. You throw some at him. You already.
Eldar [01:20:56]:
When you order his art, right?
Mike [01:20:58]:
When you.
Eldar [01:20:58]:
Orders are. And it's only art. The thing is, with this guy, you can't even go online to find them. Call the phone number. You have to call the phone number to order his art.
Joe [01:21:10]:
And you don't pick. He picks for you because he knows.
Eldar [01:21:13]:
Yeah. He picks for you. Exactly. No, but there are.
Joe [01:21:17]:
It will come in some form.
Toliy [01:21:21]:
Only increases in value.
Eldar [01:21:24]:
Yes. You see what just happened?
Joe [01:21:26]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:21:26]:
Well, we'll never forget this moment or.
Joe [01:21:28]:
No, never forget it.
Eldar [01:21:29]:
You disrespecting Tom now?
Joe [01:21:31]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:21:31]:
I'm gonna have to do what he asked me to do.
Toliy [01:21:33]:
Okay.
Eldar [01:21:37]:
I'm gonna picture some. How much you want to pay.
Toliy [01:21:41]:
For what, though?
Mike [01:21:42]:
For what she knows.
Eldar [01:21:44]:
For what she did. She just.
Joe [01:21:48]:
There is no way.
Eldar [01:21:51]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:21:52]:
I think the crazy thing about Tom's art is that actually, you know, like, you can. So art, you can transfer it.
Toliy [01:21:57]:
Mm hmm.
Mike [01:21:57]:
I'm not sure.
Eldar [01:21:58]:
This is not transferable. And nobody can see it.
Mike [01:22:01]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:22:12]:
Nothing.
Joe [01:22:12]:
No.
Mike [01:22:14]:
Yeah, you don't pay for. You pay for. You don't pay for just art, but you pee for, like, art experience.
Joe [01:22:20]:
Yeah. Those things that you never forget.
Eldar [01:22:23]:
Yeah. See what we just did right there? That's a piece.
Alana [01:22:29]:
How much is that one worth?
Joe [01:22:31]:
It's priceless. Yeah, you can't put a.
Eldar [01:22:34]:
And you know who did it? Joel invoked that. That was his fucking thing. He made a request. So when you make a request from Tom, you don't know what you're gonna get.
Toliy [01:22:42]:
It's gonna be. It's gonna be called just 1 minute.
Eldar [01:22:44]:
What's that? It could be called 1 minute. 1 minute with time.
Joe [01:22:48]:
And that's just one of the many layers.
Eldar [01:22:50]:
Yeah.
Joe [01:22:50]:
Artistic ability of this guy.
Mike [01:22:53]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:22:55]:
So now you see how the auto pocket went. Yeah.
Toliy [01:23:01]:
If you're interested in buying minute to, we can call him back.
Joe [01:23:06]:
Selling minutes credits. So you get tuned in, tune in for just a minute, and I'll be honest with you. I pay.
Eldar [01:23:13]:
I'll be honest with you. The way this becomes successful, and I already see it, is that Tom is always booked.
Mike [01:23:20]:
Which is the show.
Eldar [01:23:21]:
Joe knows exactly where I'm going with this. If you want to buy a slot in ten years, he's available in year ten. You know why? Because he's booked up for the next ten years doing the minutes.
Mike [01:23:31]:
But the thing is, he's always booked up. He's always booked.
Eldar [01:23:34]:
That's what I'm saying. He is such a demand. So name your price.
Toliy [01:23:37]:
A lot.
Eldar [01:23:37]:
I'm gonna say name your price.
Toliy [01:23:46]:
We can slot you in ten years from now.
Eldar [01:23:47]:
Yeah.
Alana [01:23:48]:
I don't know how I'll be doing in ten years.
Joe [01:23:51]:
You might not have inflation, whatever.
Eldar [01:23:54]:
That's probably going to be much less. That's like a discount.
Joe [01:23:57]:
Ten years from now, you might not even have the opportunity to get anything within.
Alana [01:24:01]:
So that 1 minute call, did he already have you scheduled?
Eldar [01:24:07]:
Because we're friends and you know. You know what I mean?
Alana [01:24:10]:
He made an exception.
Joe [01:24:12]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:24:12]:
Yeah. But I'm not gonna tell the world.
Joe [01:24:14]:
That unknown numbers, if you're not on his contact list, it's gonna be a different scenario.
Eldar [01:24:18]:
100%.
Mike [01:24:19]:
And his phone is always on. Don't deserve.
Eldar [01:24:21]:
Oh, my God.
Mike [01:24:23]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:24:24]:
You have to be enticing enough for him to even entertain you. I was very. I felt as soon as he picked up the phone, I felt blessed inside. You understand? No, no, no, daddy Joe, Joe.
Joe [01:24:36]:
No, I thought he wasn't gonna pick up. I thought he wasn't gonna pick up.
Eldar [01:24:40]:
It's true.
Joe [01:24:41]:
It's true.
Toliy [01:24:42]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:24:43]:
No, didn't. Not everybody felt blessed.
Joe [01:24:45]:
Yeah. I didn't think it was gonna pick up.
Toliy [01:24:46]:
I thought there was. There was like a .01% chance he'd pick up.
Mike [01:24:51]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:24:52]:
I was very surprised.
Joe [01:24:54]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:24:56]:
That's just I don't want to go into that part of the details of his art and how he does it, but. Yeah. Yeah. That's also enrolled in. Into the, you know, the price. He might deny your offer.
Alana [01:25:07]:
Mm hmm. Sure.
Joe [01:25:08]:
Mm hmm.
Eldar [01:25:09]:
So you let me know.
Toliy [01:25:10]:
You can only start by putting your investment foot forward.
Eldar [01:25:13]:
Yeah. Can we get, can we get Tom booked up for rest of his life? Easy, easy. Yeah, easy. So time will be doing God's work because he would never live for himself. No. What do you think?
Joe [01:25:30]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:25:30]:
I mean, doing God's work, you will live for the people. All right, Tom, when he hears this, he's gonna fuck in, yo. The fuck? All right, so back to potential. You think about it.
Alana [01:25:49]:
I will.
Joe [01:25:51]:
Did Tom know his potential?
Eldar [01:25:53]:
No.
Joe [01:25:54]:
The artist? No, he doesn't know he is already or what he's about to become when.
Eldar [01:25:59]:
The whole thing, like, I don't know what he did in order for it to, for it to come this way to him.
Joe [01:26:03]:
He has, like, reverse potential.
Eldar [01:26:05]:
Yes.
Joe [01:26:09]:
Even when let the least amount of people know about him, it makes him even.
Eldar [01:26:12]:
Everybody. What, everybody? Imagine everybody.
Joe [01:26:14]:
Yeah. Then it's like, dude, what's the point?
Mike [01:26:20]:
Another conversation had a while ago. I'm not, like, I don't remember fully, but you know, like, when you're in the, like, in the driver's seat of your life, right. And you're working on stuff and you're trying to, like, actualize.
Eldar [01:26:35]:
Mm hmm.
Mike [01:26:36]:
You yourself might not able to see the potential because you're doing a bunch of small steps, but an outsider can always see, like, your progress. Do you think that's true potential?
Toliy [01:26:45]:
Well, can and can't always see your.
Joe [01:26:47]:
Progress when seeing, like, actual progress.
Toliy [01:26:50]:
I feel like in some cases, an outsider could see your progress where you.
Mike [01:26:54]:
Can, who actually knows how to observe, and it's actually that you're close with, like, although I see him every day, Joe, I see him every few months. So he might not see my progress. He sees my, you know, my, my progress or whatever, my potential in different ways than other. Yeah. Doesn't know the meat and potatoes, probably.
Eldar [01:27:18]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:27:18]:
Where, you know, the meat and potatoes.
Eldar [01:27:20]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:27:20]:
So do you think as a person who's, if you're actually tapping into potential the way, in its true form, where it's meant to be, that you yourself are not supposed to feel like, wow.
Eldar [01:27:30]:
That is very, we're like, I remember.
Mike [01:27:35]:
The conversation, what it was about, but I think it kind of was along maybe the lines of, that's interesting, maybe.
Toliy [01:27:40]:
So.
Mike [01:27:41]:
I'm not sure if it was humility, but I don't remember what it was where.
Eldar [01:27:45]:
Wow.
Mike [01:27:45]:
You don't realize how, how you're progressing because if you actually want to progress, you don't think, like, yo actually want to be a businessman. I want to make 10 million. Yeah, because, like, y'all want to make a dollar today, I want to make another dollar tomorrow. And I want to do, like, baby steps, small steps, so you can't see monumental change.
Toliy [01:28:03]:
But is it possible.
Eldar [01:28:04]:
But it's immersion and focus in the action.
Mike [01:28:06]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:28:07]:
Does not allow you see the first.
Toliy [01:28:12]:
No, but is it possible to have immersion, like, moment to moment immersion like that without having desires with the bigger picture?
Eldar [01:28:20]:
Yeah, see? See? Yeah, but I think. I think that when we discuss once and stuff like that and seeing the bigger desires, if you acting upon them, you're probably suffering. So I think that's what it is. Right. So which one you want to do?
Mike [01:28:32]:
You want to kind of take your.
Eldar [01:28:33]:
Head out once in a while and dream?
Toliy [01:28:34]:
Well, I think that you need to have. You need to have a healthy balance of both. Yeah, because, like, why would you need.
Eldar [01:28:42]:
Why would you. Why can't you just say, you know what? That's my dream. It's a big dream. Now I'm focused for the next 1020 years.
Toliy [01:28:49]:
Yeah, well, yeah, but you're. Yeah, but you might be, like, looking at things, like, in, like, a very narrow, narrow way and not seeing, like, other things that are happening.
Eldar [01:28:57]:
That picture always develops.
Joe [01:28:59]:
Well, sometimes you got to regroup. Yeah. If you.
Eldar [01:29:00]:
Yeah.
Joe [01:29:02]:
Work on something, then you reassess. Oh, wait, hold. Hold on. You gotta kinda come in and out.
Eldar [01:29:07]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:29:07]:
It's the balance of thinking and doing.
Eldar [01:29:09]:
I don't know, man.
Mike [01:29:09]:
I'm not sure. I'm not sure if you have to constantly think about, like, the end goal.
Joe [01:29:13]:
You don't gotta.
Eldar [01:29:14]:
Constantly.
Toliy [01:29:14]:
Not constantly.
Mike [01:29:15]:
No. I don't know if you have to think about.
Eldar [01:29:16]:
No, but you do. I think it's an inflicted suffering that we have upon ourselves.
Toliy [01:29:20]:
Oh. I mean, if that's your desire, then. Yes.
Eldar [01:29:23]:
Come on.
Toliy [01:29:24]:
Yes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think that you could just have a moment to moment, like drive.
Mike [01:29:30]:
Without the problem that you can, but I think you should.
Eldar [01:29:33]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:29:34]:
Because that's when actually the true change happens.
Toliy [01:29:36]:
But how could you have a moment to. Mom. To moment.
Mike [01:29:38]:
Only because when you realize that life is just moment to moment, you.
Eldar [01:29:41]:
You.
Mike [01:29:41]:
Then you understand.
Toliy [01:29:43]:
Yeah, but how can you make any kind of decision?
Joe [01:29:45]:
You can't plan.
Eldar [01:29:46]:
No, you can plan.
Toliy [01:29:49]:
But you're still making a. Like, a goal, like, where the goal.
Mike [01:29:54]:
Is cool, but I think. Yeah, the goal is always grandiose and it's not so much focused in the details and actually living in the details. I think that's.
Toliy [01:30:01]:
Well, that. That's 100%. But it's still derived. It's still derived from an end goal, though. Desire. Desire is derived from a bigger goal. And then you should break it up.
Eldar [01:30:14]:
Into the small conversation. You might have to come back next week. What she said, that's what you need. Short term goals, long term girls. I'm like, hey, we talked about those things.
Mike [01:30:22]:
You know what I'm saying?
Eldar [01:30:23]:
A lot of times, it's very hard to define those things.
Alana [01:30:26]:
It is, yes.
Eldar [01:30:27]:
Very hard.
Alana [01:30:27]:
Because just have the big, big long term goal, you're never gonna get there.
Eldar [01:30:31]:
Yeah.
Alana [01:30:32]:
Just looking at that and not doing daily things.
Toliy [01:30:35]:
Yeah. It's. It's. It's also like, yeah. Yes.
Eldar [01:30:37]:
You might not be. You might not be competent enough to make a goal in the first place.
Alana [01:30:41]:
That's true.
Toliy [01:30:42]:
Yeah. That we were talking about before, when it comes to, like, wants, right. Is that, like, people who make, for example, like. Like a really long term, big, grandiose want, like, I don't know, they might be 15 and saying, I want to have kids. Right. Like, what makes you qualified at that time to make that decision? Like, you don't even know what. What it's like. What, like, what's called.
Toliy [01:31:06]:
What it's for. Right. Like, like, people in general make very, like. Like a long term, or, like, faraway goals or very big statements about life. Yeah, but, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Generally speaking. Right. But, like, if you examine those things, you probably find that the people who are making.
Toliy [01:31:27]:
That are not qualified, like, yeah. To begin with and making that judgment call, because a lot of times, these are very, like, very life changing events. And, like, how are you going to make that call at that time? Like, you're not educated on that thing. I don't know anything about it.
Eldar [01:31:46]:
Oh, did you ever. Do you know what G force is?
Alana [01:31:48]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:31:49]:
Have you experienced G force? It sounds really nice to walk on the moon, doesn't it, sunny?
Alana [01:31:53]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:31:54]:
All right. You ready to throw up a million times. Right? We never know, but we like to, you know, kind of. Yeah. So wait a second. So wait a second. So then in that case, the world and the way they depict the world in pictures, in music, and in poetry, movies and everything else, right. It's almost like we're setting ourselves up for failure.
Toliy [01:32:19]:
Well, yeah. There. There isn't a guarantee that you will get a depiction of truth, correct.
Mike [01:32:23]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:32:24]:
So what you're getting is you're getting a false perception of what. How cool that thing is. Right.
Mike [01:32:29]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:32:30]:
Without the details and explain to you, hey, that's not so cool. That's just the end result.
Toliy [01:32:35]:
Yeah. Cuz you're seeing something that someone else did and you don't know what motives that person had.
Mike [01:32:39]:
Correct.
Toliy [01:32:40]:
Are they a salesman trying to sell as many motivational videos as possible? Their job is just to convince you that this video is good.
Eldar [01:32:48]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:32:48]:
It may not mean that it's the truth. It's just like the goal might be just sales thinking.
Eldar [01:32:55]:
That's.
Toliy [01:32:56]:
That. Yeah, that. That's the inability to like, understand how things work or understand how, like. Yeah, in general, just how things work. And it might be like, it might not always be that little kid. Kid's fault because it's like, I'm not sure if you could get it right without the proper guidance.
Eldar [01:33:20]:
Wow. I agree with that, you know?
Mike [01:33:22]:
You know, I think so.
Eldar [01:33:25]:
Yeah. Like, based on what you said, you stop watching movies.
Joe [01:33:29]:
No, it's not gonna happen.
Mike [01:33:31]:
Yeah, right. You know what I was thinking about?
Eldar [01:33:33]:
Because you're dumbass. Can reason and think through. What the fuck you watching?
Mike [01:33:38]:
I was thinking about this statement of potential to actualize and what that actually means. And then tying it back to what we talked about. All the examples used so far of the goal to be an astronaut or dream to be an astronaut or to be whatever.
Eldar [01:33:51]:
Firefighter.
Mike [01:33:52]:
Firefighter, yeah.
Eldar [01:33:54]:
You never smell the smoke, the thick black. Yeah.
Mike [01:33:56]:
The problem. The problem, I think. Not the problem, but I guess the thing, that thing that came to mind is, you know, you can use these things, you know, potential and actualize. Because what is actually the potential to actualize? Every single person should have and strive to reach, like, to actualize. And then they can make decisions on other things. The problem, I think, is that people are not qualified in the choices they make.
Eldar [01:34:27]:
Okay.
Mike [01:34:28]:
Okay. The qualification, I think, to make those choices, whether you want to be natural or not, I think there's a preliminary thing, which is a foundation, right. And I think those things, such as living a good life.
Toliy [01:34:44]:
Right.
Mike [01:34:45]:
Like honest life, being a good person, really. Actually, you know, understanding what that means then, you know, living a virtuous life.
Joe [01:34:53]:
Right.
Mike [01:34:53]:
Like the actualization of pyramid. Right. Maslow's pyramid. Those. Those things, I don't know if they're rooted in truths, if they're rooted in virtues, right? But I think that is the foundation that everybody hopefully should have.
Eldar [01:35:09]:
Right.
Mike [01:35:09]:
An ideal kind of thing. And then you can make other choices in your life.
Eldar [01:35:13]:
I think you're asking for a lot.
Mike [01:35:15]:
No, I know.
Eldar [01:35:16]:
You know that.
Mike [01:35:17]:
I know that. But.
Eldar [01:35:21]:
That'S.
Mike [01:35:21]:
That's what came to mind.
Eldar [01:35:22]:
Should it be? Yeah, yeah.
Toliy [01:35:23]:
But like, you you would need to have the right guidance from a very young age.
Eldar [01:35:27]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:35:28]:
To, like, go across that. If not their societal pressures.
Mike [01:35:32]:
Choose. Choose.
Toliy [01:35:33]:
Choose your college major. At 18, how the hell are you gonna select what you're gonna want to do the rest of your life at 18?
Eldar [01:35:41]:
Why? Why?
Toliy [01:35:44]:
Question. Yeah. Right. So it's like, some of these societal pressures are a big thing.
Eldar [01:35:52]:
They don't know any better, maybe.
Alana [01:35:54]:
Yeah. They didn't have that happen for them.
Eldar [01:35:56]:
Yes. You know what I'm saying? If I know better right now, if you throw me into college and say, elder, you're gonna be a guidance counselor.
Alana [01:36:03]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:36:03]:
Based on what I know, I have to ask why? He's gonna come to me. He's gonna say, yeah, I can't wait to be an engineer. I'm gonna say, why the fuck you want to be an engineer? Give me really good reasons. Yeah. And if you don't, you're gonna say that, oh, I really like Elon Musk and the way he is so popular. I'm gonna say, you idiot, it sounds like you want to be popular and you want to be famous. Go shoot yourself in the leg on YouTube on purpose, and you'll be popular. You know what I'm saying? So the guidance has to be based on what the fuck is actually going on, but you have to ask those questions.
Eldar [01:36:36]:
The only way to ask those questions is you have to know the repercussions behind those answers. I know the repercussions behind those answers. Now, that teacher didn't. That's why, to you, it's. I don't. They don't care. I'm not faulting them. I'm just faulting ignorance, everything else, but.
Mike [01:36:51]:
So you're saying that's supposed to be this way?
Eldar [01:36:54]:
What's not possible?
Mike [01:36:55]:
What I just said is not a possible thing.
Toliy [01:36:57]:
Well, I think it's a very difficult thing, because I think, like a young individual, just like a kid, depending on where he's born into, into what circumstances, into what environment, what parents, what family, I think for a long, like, portion of his life will dictate. Well, probably tends to dictate where he'll end up. And breaking through some of those things is definitely possible, but I would say.
Mike [01:37:25]:
That it's trying to break through those things.
Toliy [01:37:27]:
Um, yeah.
Eldar [01:37:28]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:37:28]:
I mean, something.
Eldar [01:37:30]:
What strings?
Mike [01:37:31]:
Like to become actualized?
Eldar [01:37:33]:
100%, not always consciously, for sure. Most of the time, no. I would say no.
Mike [01:37:40]:
Most of the time, no.
Eldar [01:37:41]:
Most of the time, no. Yeah. Yesterday when we had the conversation in Jacuzzi, I could say, why we started asking these questions is when I challenge myself as to say, what the fuck is going on with me, and why am I not happy in this particular sphere? I'd like to be happy and how do I do that? Yeah, I had to challenge myself. That's a very small glimpse of my life.
Mike [01:37:58]:
But as you.
Eldar [01:37:59]:
I'd like for it to do.
Mike [01:38:00]:
Continue life. Yeah. Like, my thing is, like, I don't think you ever get to the point, maybe, that we're fully actualized, these enlightened beings walking around. It might take a. It might happen, it might not. It might be a lifelong kind of thing.
Eldar [01:38:12]:
And I.
Mike [01:38:13]:
But if you have that goal in mind, then you have another set of tools that allows you to then make other choices in life. You're gonna. You may, you know, employ certain things, like reason and thinking versus just like, oh, yeah, you know, musky's great. I want to be engineer to be like, actually, I don't fucking know anything about what the hell it means, engineering, and I actually don't like anything about it.
Eldar [01:38:38]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:38:38]:
Besides the fact that, you know, Musk is cool and I look up to him, but what does that actually mean?
Eldar [01:38:43]:
Yeah. You know? Yeah, but. But even when you say and you have this little, I guess, feeling about, hey, we can't really actualize ourselves fully, potentially, and walk around like these beings that are actually actualized. I disagree with that completely. I actually do believe that you can reach that level here right now if you paid attention in your case. And I can only talk about your examples, your relationship with your family business wise. Right. How you change it now, the trajectory of it, and how.
Eldar [01:39:15]:
Where it's going and stuff like that, I'm pretty sure that if you continue to do what you do, you will. You don't understand that the reality that you receive back from your interactions is exactly what you're looking for. Therefore, you become a. Some people say, manipulator. Some people become God of that particular instance of a moment, because you became really good at it and you're happy from it, and you're serving other people, on the other hand. So, if you examine your life right, and the things that are around it and able to challenge you in such a way where you can be the best that you can be in those moments, you can't walk around, actualize 100%. This is within reach. But right now.
Mike [01:39:55]:
But I think you have to uncover all those things, and that's gonna take time.
Eldar [01:40:00]:
I mean, good life don't come fucking. Yeah.
Mike [01:40:04]:
That's what I'm saying.
Eldar [01:40:05]:
A lot of it doesn't. A lot of. Still didn't give me the price for time. Doesn't know what the fuck it costs. Yeah, I'm not sure. I think she sat down and she understood that she can't afford it.
Joe [01:40:17]:
You don't even know where you get it.
Eldar [01:40:25]:
You have to go back. And even now, what Joe's telling you, like, I'm not sure if you understand what you're getting here.
Joe [01:40:31]:
And even if you're told, you still don't know what you're getting.
Eldar [01:40:35]:
Yeah. No, no, no. You gotta understand. You know, why I. There's no such thing as you not liking it.
Joe [01:40:52]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:40:53]:
It's a guaranteed. It's a hundred percent money back. Not guaranteed because it's guaranteed to satisfy that. Exactly.
Joe [01:41:00]:
He doesn't even want your money. That's how he doesn't need or want your money.
Eldar [01:41:05]:
Yeah.
Joe [01:41:05]:
Well, we should be so privileged.
Toliy [01:41:09]:
Some privilege.
Joe [01:41:10]:
Privilege to give him the most that we can. Monetary value that isn't even thank you doesn't equate to what we're getting, but it's what makes the world go round. Do what he has to do.
Eldar [01:41:22]:
Yes.
Joe [01:41:22]:
To maintain his creativity, the artistic ability. So, yeah, no refunds. Absolutely.
Eldar [01:41:31]:
No, because there's no need for them, Joe.
Joe [01:41:33]:
Yeah. You'll be happy.
Eldar [01:41:35]:
100%.
Toliy [01:41:35]:
Every.
Eldar [01:41:36]:
Everybody gets out of everybody. That's a guarantee.
Joe [01:41:39]:
That's an art in itself.
Eldar [01:41:40]:
Yes.
Joe [01:41:41]:
No unhappy customers.
Eldar [01:41:42]:
Yes.
Joe [01:41:43]:
You think there's that. You think I. You think.
Eldar [01:41:45]:
And if you don't understand, I'm telling you right now, you're probably bound by time. Time is the thing where in that particular moment, you didn't understand. But trust me, in time, you will think about it. Name the price, Tom. I got you. I told you we're going to get there. Yeah.
Joe [01:42:02]:
He's podcasting me. Worth some, too. Do we get a cut on anyone.
Mike [01:42:06]:
Who'S been involved in.
Eldar [01:42:07]:
Calm down. You guys better calm down. We got to have a sign of NDA.
Toliy [01:42:12]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:42:13]:
This shit is gold, Mike.
Mike [01:42:16]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:42:16]:
What were saying?
Mike [01:42:17]:
No, you were saying that you do believe it's possible to get. Yes, I agree that it's possible to get lying, but I don't think.
Eldar [01:42:24]:
I'm not. I'm not in general. Yeah. Talking about enlightening your life. I think that's what it is. No, we serve all of them.
Mike [01:42:32]:
All with time. Yes.
Eldar [01:42:33]:
I hope so. Yes.
Mike [01:42:34]:
But does not mean that you're gonna be. Not gonna make mistakes when you're easier, which is fine, but that's what I'm saying. I think the goal is to kind of constantly work on that, which is, I think, is the core, the foundation of what we're trying to do, and then also live a good life with and be part of society and enjoying the other things that. Yes, but I think things like potential and other things that are hard to kind of define and say what's usable or not what's, you know, I'm not sure if what's useful, but, like, what are you allowed to engage in and.
Eldar [01:43:09]:
Where are you locked?
Mike [01:43:10]:
Engage it, you know?
Eldar [01:43:14]:
Okay.
Mike [01:43:14]:
I think it applies more in that realm of, like, the core of your beliefs, you know, of how you want.
Eldar [01:43:22]:
To live your life. That's your potential.
Mike [01:43:25]:
I think that's where potential can be used in a proper way outside of that. But I don't think it means anything because all those other things.
Eldar [01:43:33]:
Mm hmm.
Mike [01:43:35]:
I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure how to say it.
Joe [01:43:40]:
So for the listeners out there that don't understand what he's saying, can someone button up what you just.
Eldar [01:43:46]:
This is listeners being Joe. Yeah, she does. Yes. He wants to hide behind the listeners, and a lot of times.
Joe [01:43:56]:
Me as.
Eldar [01:43:56]:
Well as the other, yet to be honest and straightforward, despite the fact that we've known each other for many, many years, you know what I mean? But we've lost touch. He went his own way, I went my own way.
Toliy [01:44:05]:
You know what I mean?
Eldar [01:44:06]:
We're finding our ways back. So please bear with him as he's going to be a little bit dishonest in the way he approaches Joe. Go ahead.
Joe [01:44:12]:
Or maybe someone would say being pleasantly, you know, nice in a way to put it, but.
Eldar [01:44:20]:
So he thinks by deceiving the audience, Joe is very concerned, but he's saying.
Joe [01:44:26]:
That I'm asking for a friend.
Eldar [01:44:28]:
Oh, you asked me for a friend.
Joe [01:44:30]:
In that case, the friends are podcast.
Mike [01:44:32]:
Listeners, where this thing came about and this idea, I mean, I mean, I hope all. You can help me out.
Joe [01:44:39]:
You have the potential to describe it yourself if you have no.
Mike [01:44:43]:
You mean there's a conversation, you know, in the republic with Plato, and he asked the question, he's like, yo, when is justice useful?
Toliy [01:44:52]:
Right.
Mike [01:44:52]:
And just as being one of those things that, things that we should. I think that we should live by, we should try to be just. We should try to. Let's do that. And he asked him, he's like, well, as a person who's just, is he good when there's a game of chess being played, or is a player who is good at chess more useful?
Toliy [01:45:10]:
Right.
Mike [01:45:10]:
So that's where my idea came about is like. That's where it came about, that I don't know if you can help.
Eldar [01:45:19]:
Yeah. I don't know how to connect the.
Mike [01:45:20]:
Two where I think that justice is the foundation for anything, and then you can not just justice, but all these kind of things that are virtues, right? That are.
Eldar [01:45:31]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:45:32]:
Exist.
Eldar [01:45:33]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:45:33]:
I think that's a foundation for everything. You know, it should be. I believe, you know, like, you should strive for it to be your foundation, you know, as I'm learning from living a dishonest life and a shady life and, you know, being a piece of shit, now that I'm trying to, you know, live a certain.
Eldar [01:45:50]:
Is that you then want to carry over the virtue into a game of chess, which. Which inherently wants. The game of chess is to play. The game of chess is to win. You want to carry justice. You want to be just. You want to be righteous where you're not bound by the same rules of winning a chess game, because winning chess game sometimes takes bluffing.
Joe [01:46:14]:
Let's just say.
Eldar [01:46:15]:
I don't know, or whatever it is cheating. Let's just say, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Joe [01:46:20]:
How do you cheat in chess?
Eldar [01:46:21]:
I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
Joe [01:46:25]:
If you poker.
Eldar [01:46:27]:
Yeah, you play chess, you will quickly understand that I'm very good and you realize how bad you really are, but you're losing because I'm actually cheating.
Joe [01:46:35]:
You think I'm really good cheating. But if I know that, if I. If we both know the set of rules, there's no way to cheat.
Eldar [01:46:41]:
That's what you think.
Joe [01:46:42]:
Well, give me an example.
Eldar [01:46:44]:
Are we playing online? Are we playing in person?
Joe [01:46:46]:
In person?
Eldar [01:46:47]:
Yeah. I'll move in the pieces for you. You don't even see it. Yeah, I'm a little bit okay with magic. You know this, too, when you're scratching your nose as you are right now. You know what I'm saying? I'm moving that pawn over a little bit closer. Yeah.
Toliy [01:47:06]:
That also. And mental, like, manipulation. You know, elder is good at that. Joey, you sure you want to put that piece there? You know what that's gonna do to your plan?
Joe [01:47:15]:
No, I don't. If I put on a pair of noise canceling headphones and cameras are on.
Eldar [01:47:21]:
The ball, you see, now you're changing the game style.
Joe [01:47:23]:
I'm not changing.
Eldar [01:47:25]:
I want to play chess, you know, as human experience, one on one with no headphones.
Toliy [01:47:29]:
Right.
Eldar [01:47:30]:
I want to be right here in present, and you want to, like, remove yourself so the player. That's why I asked you the question whether or not we're playing online or nothing.
Joe [01:47:36]:
Well, I still feel like, you know, even if you tried to manipulate, and.
Mike [01:47:40]:
There'S many different scenarios. This is one example.
Eldar [01:47:43]:
Right.
Joe [01:47:43]:
Okay.
Mike [01:47:43]:
Another example uses what is justice useful for? Storing of money. If I give you some money and ask you to store it, is just as useful. So justice is useful when money is not being meat is not needed, but it's needed to be stored.
Eldar [01:48:00]:
Right.
Mike [01:48:00]:
You know, like, you can take that money and say, okay, fuck off. That's. That's another example.
Eldar [01:48:06]:
Right.
Joe [01:48:06]:
And what do you. What do you keep bringing in the term justice? What do you mean?
Mike [01:48:09]:
It's just, this is from the book, so that's kind of like what they're trying to say is these things like justice. I don't know. Like, all these virtues, values, morals, all these things, they're useful for all aspects of life. And I feel like it might be a criteria for. For, or a foundation for a good life.
Eldar [01:48:32]:
And I.
Mike [01:48:33]:
And then you can build upon that. And if you like playing chess, you play chess, but with all these things in mind, or like being a banker. You are a banker, but you have.
Eldar [01:48:43]:
Yes. By bringing the virtues like integrity into chess playing.
Toliy [01:48:48]:
Right.
Eldar [01:48:49]:
If you win by cheating, this is not a display of a goal that you wanted to play chess with integrity.
Joe [01:48:59]:
Mm hmm.
Toliy [01:49:00]:
I mean. Yeah, but that's. Correct. Right. Like, what's the argument?
Eldar [01:49:04]:
No, because the argument is that the world.
Toliy [01:49:06]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:49:06]:
Wants him to win the chess at any means.
Toliy [01:49:09]:
Says who, though?
Eldar [01:49:12]:
Says the winning.
Toliy [01:49:13]:
What do you mean?
Eldar [01:49:15]:
We value winning. Cool. I mean, society. I mean, like. But we're not cheering for the winners. Are we not celebrating chickens?
Mike [01:49:24]:
Are we celebrating the second team?
Eldar [01:49:26]:
No. Do you celebrate second thing? You go to the other country or, you know, you go to.
Toliy [01:49:30]:
No, but. No, but what you're saying is that you want them to win by. By any means, if that. Even if that includes.
Eldar [01:49:39]:
No, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying the general public. Right.
Toliy [01:49:44]:
Mm hmm.
Eldar [01:49:45]:
Might not care that messi, you know, did something shady or whatever it is, because we wanted to win. The motivational winning thing is what sometimes takes away from the integrity of it.
Toliy [01:49:56]:
Well, yeah. I mean, that's. Hundred percent individuals.
Eldar [01:49:59]:
I mean, come on, brother.
Toliy [01:50:00]:
That's on an individual.
Eldar [01:50:01]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:50:01]:
No, I mean, I agree with you. I would not want to win. No.
Eldar [01:50:10]:
Holding your jersey in the basketball team to win the game. Totally.
Toliy [01:50:14]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:50:14]:
They taking you out of your element and making you be a certain type of way in order to accomplish a particular goal. And that is to win.
Toliy [01:50:22]:
Okay.
Eldar [01:50:22]:
You're subjected to that.
Toliy [01:50:26]:
Okay. Yeah, but I don't understand, like, I.
Eldar [01:50:29]:
Mean, that you should be bringing this stuff that he's talking about virtues into every aspect of your life, but not everyone's gonna do.
Toliy [01:50:37]:
Okay. Yes. I mean, I agree with you.
Eldar [01:50:39]:
No, that's the thing. He's motivating us or telling us we should. There's a reason for that. Right. Because we can actually then enjoy ourselves. The equal planes versus somebody who's not bringing integrity to the game and holding your journey. This is not basketball when they're doing that.
Toliy [01:50:55]:
Right.
Eldar [01:50:56]:
That's what happening to him. And he was getting upset because now he can't shoot anymore because some guys go like this to him.
Alana [01:51:02]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:51:03]:
Because that guy was not being honest or genuine or worked out of integrity.
Joe [01:51:10]:
Did you give him a slap?
Eldar [01:51:11]:
No, no.
Toliy [01:51:14]:
But that's also like, like, while I view that that's not right, that is also part of the game. Like anything that the ref doesn't catch.
Joe [01:51:21]:
Like.
Eldar [01:51:24]:
Now that's a different question.
Toliy [01:51:25]:
What?
Joe [01:51:27]:
Dirty. And I respect it.
Mike [01:51:28]:
If you play, you're saying that now you're allowing the ref to be your guide on your moral compass. Like, oh, the rev.
Eldar [01:51:34]:
That.
Toliy [01:51:34]:
No, not moral.
Eldar [01:51:35]:
Not moral compass.
Toliy [01:51:37]:
No, let me be. No, not moral compass.
Eldar [01:51:42]:
Just.
Toliy [01:51:43]:
No, not, not moral compass. No, I'm saying that like, I, like.
Joe [01:51:55]:
Yeah.
Toliy [01:51:55]:
Like part of, part of basketball fluence is that you will play in games that includes a referees, right? Yeah. Now I can play as, like just and moral as I want. Even if I know that I can get away with things. Right. Like, it doesn't mean that I will actually do that because I, I may not believe in that.
Eldar [01:52:19]:
That's the whole point. So. Yeah, I think that what he's saying is that if we come up, if we come with objective truths into certain things in our life.
Toliy [01:52:26]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:52:26]:
Objective truth.
Toliy [01:52:27]:
Right. Like, yeah.
Eldar [01:52:28]:
Moral ethics and stuff like that.
Toliy [01:52:29]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:52:31]:
Then we could be on the same page if we're not, right?
Toliy [01:52:36]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:52:37]:
We engage in those things, right. Should we participate? And if we, if we don't, we're protected. But if we do, how do we protect ourselves in order to still come out as feeling was a winner?
Toliy [01:52:48]:
So is it a question of like, if, if you're engaging in something where everybody's not under these set of like.
Eldar [01:52:55]:
You still living the life, right. He still has to walk around amongst the morals, right, mortals while he's immortal, right. But he still be, it has to be able to enjoy himself because that's what he wants. To do.
Toliy [01:53:06]:
Okay.
Eldar [01:53:07]:
Okay. Yeah. So there's certain things that he has to kind of accept. Maybe. It's probably the burden probably is on you might.
Toliy [01:53:13]:
Yeah, it is.
Eldar [01:53:14]:
I know that he's challenging the people who are thinking or fucking listening in this podcast. Yeah. If you're fucking thinking, carry the shit into the real world.
Toliy [01:53:24]:
Yeah. I mean, that's 100%. Yeah.
Eldar [01:53:28]:
Look at yourself in the mirror tomorrow morning. Say that you're for shit.
Toliy [01:53:31]:
Yeah. I mean, that's 100%. No, I mean, that. That's 100%. No, that. That's 100%.
Mike [01:53:42]:
Doing the right thing is doing the right thing when nobody's looking like there's a thing like that, you know? I don't know where it's from. Joey made it up.
Eldar [01:53:50]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:53:52]:
And I think that's.
Eldar [01:53:53]:
For a long time, Joe's been doing the right thing in the wrong places.
Mike [01:53:57]:
Yeah. 100%.
Joe [01:53:58]:
Very good thing for a bad man.
Alana [01:54:00]:
Not in his relationships.
Eldar [01:54:01]:
You know what I'm saying? No. You know, even his engagement of work.
Toliy [01:54:05]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:54:06]:
Where she said, yo, what the fuck? I'm breaking my back over here. Less for me. Yeah. What the fuck is happening here? You know what I mean?
Mike [01:54:12]:
Because he was not able maybe to apply those things.
Eldar [01:54:16]:
Yes.
Mike [01:54:17]:
Because nobody gave us the foundation.
Eldar [01:54:19]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:54:20]:
Of like, hey. Like, this is the place, this is the base that if you want to live a good life.
Eldar [01:54:26]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:54:26]:
You want to follow these rules.
Eldar [01:54:27]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:54:28]:
You want to live by these things and then go play your basketball, go play chess, go hockey, go gamble, whatever the fuck you enjoy. But always, always know the scope, but also always try to.
Toliy [01:54:40]:
I.
Mike [01:54:41]:
For me, I want to try. I'm trying to stay true to myself and all the things that I engage.
Eldar [01:54:45]:
Yeah. Just a quick, quick announcement. He said I want to retire from basketball because he's never learned to compete in a healthy way. Right.
Toliy [01:54:54]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:54:55]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:54:55]:
That and other stuff as well.
Joe [01:54:57]:
Yeah. Yeah. You might see that and you retire from basketball, but then you'll miss basketball.
Mike [01:55:03]:
And I can't miss it more. Basketball more than I can, knowing that I'm going against myself.
Joe [01:55:09]:
We should get ready to try.
Mike [01:55:10]:
Well, I've done it. I've been playing basketball for a long time.
Joe [01:55:13]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:55:13]:
And feeling like this, but I eventually I got fed up.
Joe [01:55:16]:
How long ago did you give it up?
Mike [01:55:19]:
Two, three weeks ago. I go every time with them and I see them play sometimes or I go upstairs and I work out and I shoot around still, because I still love basketball, but I don't love that other part of it. I don't love the competition of it. I don't love the fact that I am able to get upset when the refs are being injust, you know, or what I think is injustice or not, you know, coming to the job and having integrity and trying to do a great job, but I can't blame them. But I also know that I'm not willing to engage in that knowing that it's out of my control.
Joe [01:55:54]:
Yeah, well, I understand, cuz, I mean, I heard this part. I heard this part, right?
Eldar [01:56:01]:
Yeah.
Joe [01:56:01]:
So I listened to that. And, you know, here's my honest truth to. To that aspect, right? Like, it may be a way out, but it's not a fix, it's not an actual. The thing is. The thing is, if I were you, which I'm not, but if that was happening to me, you know, what brings me happiness is the sport. Playing it competition. But if things come into play, if outside fact is like a bad call, fucks the whole game up, you know, you could chalk it up to be like, yeah, I mean, everyone else saw it was a bad call. That's just the way the game went down that way.
Joe [01:56:38]:
But I'm not going to take that personally because it was a. It was human error. You know, it wasn't based off my performance. If I missed that shot, if I missed empty net or you, you know, you missed that easy shot and you, you lost the game and your competitive drive was. Was hurt because of your own fault, then it's like, yeah, you're gonna be hard on yourself and you're gonna come back and you're just gonna improve your skill and just try to avoid doing that in the future because that's not how you want to, you know, perform. Right. If you're. You're based off of your own performance is gonna drive your happiness, whether or not you succeed, because winning is ultimate goal.
Mike [01:57:23]:
What you're saying is we always point the fingers.
Joe [01:57:26]:
Well, I mean, cuz, you know, I.
Mike [01:57:28]:
Wish that was the case, but I have a feeling that it's not. A lot of times we'll blame the rev, the other team playing here.
Eldar [01:57:34]:
You have to be honest here. I would have to say a lot of the times in sports because we're competitive. Yeah, it is pointing the finger, bro.
Joe [01:57:44]:
Yeah, sure it's pointing the finger, but like, I'm not gonna give up on a sport I love and I love doing just because at some times you become unhappy about the outcome of winning. That's what competitiveness does to you. Like losing is part of being competitive. Losing lets you. Well, yeah, but losing allows you to become a better player, becomes you become more competitive. It becomes, it allows you to strive and better yourself and enjoy it more, because the idea of being competitive, the idea of winning, is to get there, and there are outside forces that shouldn't weigh in on that. And sometimes they do, but that's natural. Yeah, but, like, if you don't know what I'm saying, if you love playing basketball, let's just bleed that on to other things.
Joe [01:58:34]:
If there's other things you love. But at the end of the day, sometimes it upsets you. You're gonna give up everything.
Eldar [01:58:40]:
Very good question, Joe. And I think that. I think that you should examine it.
Joe [01:58:45]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:58:45]:
The thing is, I haven't an individual.
Eldar [01:58:48]:
Who is, sorry, Mike, to cut you off, but individual who is on the journey of kind of bringing everything out in their life and wanting to examine the things that they're doing. You're gonna have to be fair and examine everything and how they do with them. Right. If you're not, then you kind of a little bit of bias. Right. Okay, cool.
Toliy [01:59:08]:
No problem.
Eldar [01:59:09]:
Like, I think Tony's example, I can bring this up where Tony is a philosophical mind, loves philosophy. Right. Does this for a living and while. But when he gets on the court, completely different person.
Joe [01:59:24]:
Mm hmm.
Eldar [01:59:25]:
Right. And I know what he's inflicted by, he's affected by the same thing I'm affected by competitors.
Joe [01:59:32]:
Mm hmm.
Eldar [01:59:33]:
Come out there, I'm, you know, I'm gonna win. You know, and that comes with a particular personality.
Joe [01:59:39]:
Mm hmm.
Eldar [01:59:40]:
Well, I mean, don't ask me how he gets. Don't. I don't. I don't. I just want, I don't want to paint that picture right now.
Joe [01:59:47]:
That's fine.
Eldar [01:59:47]:
I'm a little bit drunk, and it won't be pretty.
Alana [01:59:50]:
You know what I'm saying?
Eldar [01:59:52]:
But if anybody wants to paint for this painting, I actually will paint it with paints.
Alana [01:59:57]:
I would love to see that. No, I feel like the two of you need to discuss this. It's about your life, and it's your.
Eldar [02:00:04]:
No, no. I'll paint it for you.
Joe [02:00:06]:
Yo, look, the only thing I can compare what Mike's going through is. The only I compare the feeling of what Mike's going through is when you guys brought this up. We played counter strike back in the day. Right. And it got to a point where everyone started cheating. Right. We had to start cheating to keep up with the cheaters, because otherwise, you just get owned. Yeah.
Joe [02:00:32]:
And it brings no more fun. Right?
Eldar [02:00:34]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:00:34]:
So what do we do? We walked away from counter strike. Because we also didn't find fun and cheating.
Eldar [02:00:40]:
That's the point.
Joe [02:00:40]:
Cheating. Right. We didn't find fun in it.
Eldar [02:00:43]:
I don't know. We left it behind, but, yeah, sure.
Joe [02:00:45]:
Well, I mean, I just stopped. I stopped having fun because it was like, it just didn't bring the same thing out. Right. So we stopped, but now we start playing again. And yes, there are cheetahs, but very small amount versus the amount of people that just played naturally. Right. For the fun of it. Again.
Joe [02:01:03]:
That's why I, like, I'm able to return back to it or enjoy myself now, like, if. If what upsets Mike on in these basketball games, if it's mostly like the way people are played dirty or the refs that make real bad calls, it's like, yeah, you can walk away from this scenario, this moment in time where these players may come and go. You might get a new, fresh set of people. You might walk into a new gym or other people, other refs. And it might bring the love back where you're starting to realize maybe it's the circle you're around, maybe it's the organization and how. It's how. It's how it is at the moment. But, like, you can give it a try because, like, I, again, I walked away from counter strike and came back to it later on and realized it was where I wanted it to be.
Joe [02:01:51]:
Like, the level of competition I liked where people played fair and everyone, everyone had a fair shot at it.
Mike [02:02:04]:
My desire is to one day return to basketball.
Joe [02:02:06]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:02:07]:
But I. I am going to choose the way I'm going to engage in it, and the rest will be the same shitty refs, and the players against the team will be the same shitty players, same dirty players. But I'm going to come back and I'm going to play on my terms.
Alana [02:02:22]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:02:22]:
Yeah.
Alana [02:02:23]:
Because you can only change how you react to this.
Mike [02:02:25]:
Yeah, I'm going to learn what, you know, at some point to see it for what it is. I'm going to learn to accept it. I'm going to learn to let go.
Eldar [02:02:34]:
Big to say that, because he's saying that, look, right now I can't will. And that's great. And the truth is, he's challenging me to see because not only that, I'm good at basketball, Joe, I love it. And I think that I can aggress what he's trying to get to to a degree. But I can't sit here and lie to you to say that I have no feelings, no emotions over there. I'm compromised.
Mike [02:03:00]:
We all get bent out of shape sometimes different days, you know what I'm saying? Worse than others. But actually we, like. Yeah, it's like I'm walking on a line, right? And this is a trajectory of my day.
Eldar [02:03:14]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:03:15]:
And all of a sudden I go into basketball, and now I veer off. So now I'm nasty. Now I'm arguing with people. And I don't do, you know, I don't do much of that. There's people who go even crazier than I do.
Eldar [02:03:25]:
Somebody hurts him, throws them into the ground. Don't say sorry, none of that. You know what I mean? Like crazy.
Mike [02:03:31]:
Yeah. But I'm not willing to go on that trajectory because for me, it's more important to stay on my path.
Joe [02:03:42]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:03:43]:
On that path of living, you know, if I'm not able to, like, let's say, be compassionate to the terrible refs or to the, you know, bad players, I don't want to engage in it because I know that I'm not at a place where I can, but I know that I'm not willing to sacrifice my peace of mind. And I also do believe that going off into that direction, it not only throws off my day, you know, the whole. It probably was off. Not just that, but it throws off my whole day or the weekend or, you know, a couple days while stuck on thinking about it.
Joe [02:04:14]:
You know what? You know what? There are certain, like, people or teams that think like minded, and you could have that so quote unquote gentleman's game where everyone, everyone know this shit exists.
Mike [02:04:34]:
And not give a fuck. I want other people to play dirty as possible.
Eldar [02:04:37]:
Yo, you know what? Yo, I agree with him, Joe. I'm gonna tell you right now what he's doing right now. He's becoming a better basketball player by doing nothing.
Joe [02:04:45]:
Sure.
Eldar [02:04:45]:
And that is Tom's art.
Joe [02:04:46]:
Yeah. Yeah. He, he thinks, therefore, he is becoming.
Mike [02:04:51]:
A better artist by not painting.
Eldar [02:04:53]:
There you go. You know what I'm saying? What's happening is now he understood that there is basketball right at its true form, and this is true form. Okay? And then there's emotions. That's our side of it. If you can calm that down, you can focus only on basketball, and he will become a better basketball player.
Mike [02:05:11]:
Yeah. You want to, Mike, why the. Why Michael Jordan is Michael Jordan. It's not because he's a hundred million times better basketball player, because he has a hundred million times better control his mind psychological. He doesn't get caught up in the stupid shit. That's what separates from the athletes from the super athletes.
Joe [02:05:31]:
All right, so he's just not there yet.
Eldar [02:05:33]:
No. Yeah, but. But it's a sick fucking phenomenon.
Joe [02:05:37]:
But, but not playing for the rest of his life is.
Mike [02:05:41]:
No, I love and I want to play.
Eldar [02:05:44]:
No.
Joe [02:05:45]:
So get there. Get back, get back.
Eldar [02:05:47]:
He got right now potential.
Joe [02:05:49]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:05:50]:
So the potential of playing basketball, enjoying the sport.
Joe [02:05:53]:
That's it. That's fine, right? Don't give it up.
Eldar [02:05:56]:
If he never see Joe, if he. If he never actualizes, he's gonna suffer, bro. Yeah.
Mike [02:06:01]:
If I don't go back to basketball.
Eldar [02:06:03]:
Yes.
Mike [02:06:03]:
I will not be happy.
Joe [02:06:04]:
That's my point.
Eldar [02:06:05]:
I also love basketball.
Mike [02:06:06]:
I've been playing it for over 20 years.
Joe [02:06:08]:
My point.
Eldar [02:06:08]:
You gotta hear this.
Mike [02:06:09]:
I play with my friends, which I also enjoy. It's a tradition. It's a thing. We wake up, we go together.
Eldar [02:06:15]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:06:15]:
We hang out. There's a thing.
Joe [02:06:17]:
What's up?
Eldar [02:06:18]:
You weren't so bad. Thank you, Joe. All those rebounds, and I saw you on the side, and you fucking do that crazy fucking shot, Joe.
Mike [02:06:27]:
Yeah. He was in the league, bro. Remember, bro?
Joe [02:06:29]:
I, too, might be killing for me, bro.
Mike [02:06:32]:
He was good. He was.
Eldar [02:06:36]:
Throw it. No, the fucking skater he hates.
Joe [02:06:42]:
I hate basketball. I like being around. I like being around everyone.
Eldar [02:06:47]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:06:48]:
Like. Like, I didn't enjoy the sport as much as I enjoy the sports. I like.
Eldar [02:06:53]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:06:54]:
I like playing because I was around my friends.
Eldar [02:06:56]:
Yeah, but you were able to extract that piece.
Joe [02:06:59]:
Sure.
Eldar [02:07:00]:
Yeah. Like, you know, you didn't definitely did a stuff from the same shit we did, but you enjoyed it.
Toliy [02:07:04]:
Joe was just a waste of time. Look at his and wingspan. He could scratch his knees standing up. I've only met, like, four people that could do that.
Joe [02:07:17]:
No, I mean, there was a point where, like, I knew nothing about basketball and. And how to play it and all that, and then I was getting better, and that felt good. You know, to, like.
Eldar [02:07:28]:
Anybody wants to play one on one basketball with Joe, it's gonna cost you $10,000, Joe. Why you lie? Yeah.
Joe [02:07:36]:
I have to put up to 10,000.
Eldar [02:07:37]:
No, no, they have to put up.
Toliy [02:07:38]:
10,000 just to play. You win.
Alana [02:07:41]:
But is he actually gonna play or he's gonna just talk about playing?
Eldar [02:07:44]:
No, no, this is different.
Toliy [02:08:06]:
Anybody could have that picture, but only one.
Eldar [02:08:08]:
You can have the same picture. But because my signatures on it, I have the real one. It cost $10,000. Yours is zero.
Joe [02:08:14]:
Mm hmm.
Eldar [02:08:15]:
Fuck off.
Alana [02:08:16]:
They sell what? Virtual makeup for hundreds of dollars. You can't put this makeup on your face.
Eldar [02:08:23]:
What's your fucking point. So you laughing at this?
Toliy [02:08:28]:
No.
Eldar [02:08:29]:
Yeah.
Toliy [02:08:29]:
Sit in front of Michael Jordan playing in a virtual game on a. I.
Eldar [02:08:33]:
Just did the left to right crossover, bro.
Joe [02:08:35]:
Yeah, that's like dungeons and dragons.
Toliy [02:08:39]:
How do you buy virtual makeup that you can't put.
Eldar [02:08:41]:
Oh, my God. Yeah, I'm done. Yo. What? That's like dungeons and dragons and physical sports. NFts is like dungeons and dragons?
Joe [02:08:56]:
Yeah. Two shirts and one podcast.
Eldar [02:09:01]:
Is like.
Toliy [02:09:02]:
And dragons in physical sports.
Eldar [02:09:06]:
Oh, my.
Toliy [02:09:07]:
I mean, that. That's crazy. I didn't even hear about that virtual makeup. Buy makeup for $100 you can't put on.
Alana [02:09:12]:
They're all selling it in the metaverse because kids are buying it. Like, why wouldn't they make money off of that if someone's willing to buy it? Crazy people are crazy.
Joe [02:09:24]:
Well, I hope you get back to basketball whenever you actually. Because I know. Because I know it brings good good to in his life. I know. Once he gets really wasn't good to him. No, I know, cuz once he sounds. Because when he does start playing again, I know that he's reached that actualization. He's gonna be a better person.
Mike [02:09:44]:
You believe in that?
Joe [02:09:45]:
I believe in your potential.
Eldar [02:09:46]:
Okay, fine. Because the way you were saying it was like, hey, man, I really thought you loved it. You know what I mean? Like, how can you drop it?
Joe [02:09:54]:
Yeah, well, I just said, yeah, yeah, yeah, cuz you're walking away. I thought that was what your long term goal was, to never go back. No, that's it. That's fine, cuz. Yeah. Retiring means you're not gonna do it again. So you have to use.
Eldar [02:10:13]:
A retired several times and have boxing events.
Toliy [02:10:18]:
Have a chip in to get Mike to play for five minutes.
Eldar [02:10:22]:
Oh, my God. Yes.
Mike [02:10:24]:
I just think that. Yeah, I think if you like in anything that we do, I just feel like it's having that those lit, like, you know, engaging in things with that in mind is like a superpower.
Joe [02:10:35]:
Also, you need an enforcer on your team. These guys that are pulling jerseys and doing dirty shit.
Eldar [02:10:40]:
Joel. Yeah, Joe was a big body bro.
Joe [02:10:43]:
You just got a match that he went everything.
Mike [02:10:47]:
He was like, yeah, yeah.
Joe [02:10:50]:
You need that on all your teams.
Eldar [02:10:53]:
You're everything.
Joe [02:10:56]:
I have to put the jersey back on for the sake of people's mental health and play.
Eldar [02:11:03]:
You know what I mean?
Joe [02:11:03]:
I'm ready. I think I'm. I'm at a better place.
Eldar [02:11:07]:
Good. Counter strike basketball. We're back.
Joe [02:11:09]:
Joe, if you thought I was good then. If you thought I was good then to see me now.
Eldar [02:11:14]:
Good.
Joe [02:11:15]:
Mm hmm.
Eldar [02:11:16]:
Do we get anywhere? Potential is bad. That's what we got to.
Joe [02:11:20]:
Right?
Eldar [02:11:20]:
We're like, yo, just. Just identifying potential for people or for yourself can be potentially bad. So, yeah, most of the time it's bad because who the fuck is acting. Who the fuck is actualizing themselves into a Steph Curry? Elon Musk? Bill Gates out there. Gandhi.
Joe [02:11:37]:
Damn. You put Bill Gates in the same category.
Eldar [02:11:42]:
Okay, I'll remove Bill Gates.
Toliy [02:11:44]:
What do you want?
Joe [02:11:45]:
No, it's all right. Like, Buddha.
Eldar [02:11:48]:
Buddha, yeah. Who. Who's doing that? Say something, bro.
Toliy [02:11:55]:
No, I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't know if potential is bad. I don't know if potential is bad. No, I don't know if potential is inherently bad. It may be people's relationship with potential could be bad.
Joe [02:12:07]:
Yeah. People misuse potential.
Eldar [02:12:08]:
Yeah, most of the time.
Joe [02:12:10]:
Can misuse it. Doesn't mean. Doesn't mean that it doesn't. It can't be a good driving force without. There's a small percentage of people that could push potential. Well, yeah, that's a small percentage of people that could actually see or drive potential.
Eldar [02:12:27]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:12:27]:
More. More on the positive is a small percentage. Yeah, a lot more people out there.
Toliy [02:12:32]:
Running a model doesn't mean that potential is bad.
Joe [02:12:34]:
Doesn't mean that potential.
Eldar [02:12:36]:
Let's think about it. Let's think about the way that potential. Potential is.
Joe [02:12:40]:
Don't rely on potential.
Eldar [02:12:42]:
Oh, yeah. No, generally speaking, don't rely on potentially. Just, like, stay away from it. That's it. Until. Until society proves otherwise. Right.
Toliy [02:12:50]:
Yeah, you might just. You mean. Yeah, you could just say, like, actualize your potential or shut the fuck up.
Eldar [02:12:56]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. I agree with that. Because you gave a caveat.
Toliy [02:13:00]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:13:02]:
You took an all this craziness.
Toliy [02:13:03]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:13:04]:
But you ain't doing nothing, so. Doing anything. Shut your fucking mouth.
Toliy [02:13:07]:
Yeah, yeah.
Eldar [02:13:09]:
I agree with that.
Toliy [02:13:10]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:13:10]:
But.
Toliy [02:13:10]:
But, like, inherently, is it.
Mike [02:13:12]:
Again, what. Actualize your potential.
Joe [02:13:22]:
Just do, like, the hash marks. I bought a shirt like that when I was young, and everybody. Everyone got mad at me. Defiant.
Eldar [02:13:39]:
Garbage can they couldn't jump over, you know.
Joe [02:13:41]:
Right.
Eldar [02:13:41]:
What is it?
Joe [02:13:43]:
Maximize your potential.
Toliy [02:13:50]:
As your potential or shut the fuck up. No, but the question is if you.
Eldar [02:13:57]:
In caps, bro.
Toliy [02:13:58]:
Yeah. Is it better to. But is it better to have potential.
Eldar [02:14:03]:
Or not potential and you don't do nothing about it, bro. It's like, ignorance is bliss, bro. You rather be fucking ignorant. Yeah.
Toliy [02:14:13]:
Is it better to have potential or not?
Eldar [02:14:15]:
That's like, your potential. It's over. You live in regret for the rest of your life in you and your dead by saying, like, I wish.
Toliy [02:14:24]:
No, no, but you're saying if you don't. I'm just saying the question is it better to have potential or nothing?
Eldar [02:14:29]:
Depends what happens up.
Toliy [02:14:30]:
No.
Mike [02:14:32]:
Is it possible to truly believe that you have potential and not act on it?
Joe [02:14:36]:
Is it better to be loved or fear?
Eldar [02:14:38]:
Okay, tell me that.
Mike [02:14:39]:
Tell me. I think if you stumbled upon the truth is you can't step over it.
Eldar [02:14:46]:
He said you can't put the worms back in.
Mike [02:14:48]:
You can't put the.
Toliy [02:14:50]:
I feel like if I told you.
Joe [02:14:52]:
That in worms, don't open up a can of worms.
Eldar [02:14:57]:
He said that you open the can.
Mike [02:14:58]:
Of worms if you genuinely believe that you have potential and it's rooted in the truth, you cannot put that down.
Eldar [02:15:04]:
Example, example? Example. I do not think that Mike can be in an unhealthy relationship. Knowingly correct. He has to be the psychopath or mentally challenged patient.
Alana [02:15:19]:
Okay.
Mike [02:15:20]:
Or temporarily dead.
Joe [02:15:22]:
Yeah, that's like the term you always said. Like, someone can't do wrong. Annoyingly.
Toliy [02:15:27]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:15:27]:
Not me does wrong. Okay. How can he if he has the truth?
Alana [02:15:33]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:15:34]:
Not following.
Toliy [02:15:38]:
Yeah. I would say that in all cases, in all cases where you don't, like, like where you're not, like, actually doing what you think that you believe you have some doubts in that. In that belief.
Alana [02:15:53]:
Yeah, I think you have doubts, but I really think, I think people's minds are the worst enemies. And I think your mind is different every day.
Toliy [02:16:01]:
Then you can't make a statement saying that, like, yeah, like that. Like, you for sure believe, for example, like some of them thing about. About yourself or something that, like, you want to do and not do it. I think it would be impossible. The only way that you wouldn't be doing it is like if, if you had particular doubts that were preventing you from it, valid or not, you still have those doubts. But if you don't, there's no way that you can not not do it.
Mike [02:16:29]:
I think it's impossible. I think it's impossible if you have realized that you're the best person at one specific thing.
Alana [02:16:38]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:16:39]:
If you genuinely believe that and this is the truth, you cannot because you have to share this with the world.
Alana [02:16:46]:
I don't know if you feel like.
Mike [02:16:48]:
You have to share with the world.
Eldar [02:16:50]:
You feel like we're going to segment to the next thing. Me and Michael realized that we have to become super rich.
Mike [02:16:55]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:16:56]:
So, guys, in order to super rich.
Eldar [02:16:59]:
Why police the world? Yeah.
Joe [02:17:01]:
You want to troll the world by.
Eldar [02:17:03]:
Throwing why you be bad Joe?
Joe [02:17:06]:
Because we spent hours.
Eldar [02:17:08]:
We said we spent years.
Joe [02:17:09]:
We spent years. I saying, what would we do if we had a million dollars? And the shit Elda would say.
Eldar [02:17:17]:
Was.
Joe [02:17:17]:
Like, there's go straight to this trolling.
Mike [02:17:25]:
Really?
Alana [02:17:25]:
He remembers everything.
Mike [02:17:27]:
Wow.
Joe [02:17:31]:
Long term.
Eldar [02:17:32]:
He reminded me of that. I don't remember that.
Alana [02:17:34]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:17:38]:
Yeah. Like, I'll buy the most amount of toilet paper.
Joe [02:17:45]:
Wreak havoc.
Eldar [02:17:46]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:17:47]:
So what would you do with all that money if you come rich?
Eldar [02:17:50]:
The world. Now we have to please the world.
Joe [02:17:53]:
You mean like by Twitter? Your boy, it's bad.
Alana [02:18:03]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:18:04]:
No, he realized that.
Eldar [02:18:07]:
He's good, bro.
Joe [02:18:08]:
I know. It's necessary.
Eldar [02:18:10]:
Currents.
Joe [02:18:10]:
Currents. The currents are moving.
Eldar [02:18:12]:
You know what he's doing.
Joe [02:18:13]:
Of course.
Eldar [02:18:16]:
Yeah. Despite the turmoil, it's good.
Joe [02:18:18]:
I know.
Eldar [02:18:18]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:18:19]:
We needed it.
Eldar [02:18:19]:
We needed it.
Joe [02:18:20]:
Yeah. Slap us up. A slap.
Toliy [02:18:22]:
On the whole, I feel like Lana has something to us say about this. I saw this other arms cross is not.
Eldar [02:18:37]:
Yeah.
Toliy [02:18:39]:
By saying that she has nothing to say, she actually means that she does have something to say.
Eldar [02:18:44]:
Yeah. I mean, now, that. Is that potential, Mike? Or is that what we have to do? And that's a duty. It's longer potential. The potential. I mean, it's inevitable. Number one, it's inevitable. Number two, it's a duty.
Mike [02:18:59]:
It's obligation.
Eldar [02:19:00]:
It's an obligation to go back to the cave. Socrates said, if you found the truth, you have to come back to the cave and tell those motherfuckers in the cave. Yeah.
Joe [02:19:09]:
A lot of people in the cave.
Eldar [02:19:13]:
Yeah. And unfortunately, we will become super rich from it.
Joe [02:19:18]:
It's not unfortunate.
Toliy [02:19:19]:
It's unfortunate for them.
Eldar [02:19:21]:
Yeah. We're gonna have to take their fucking money.
Joe [02:19:23]:
Mm hmm. You think. You think the artist will become super rich?
Eldar [02:19:33]:
No, the artists that are out there right now, they're gonna become super bro.
Joe [02:19:37]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:19:40]:
The only artists that are allowed nowadays. Joe. Joe. Finished. You know which kind of artists are allowed?
Joe [02:19:50]:
The ones that don't even know the artist.
Eldar [02:19:52]:
That's right.
Joe [02:19:53]:
That's it.
Eldar [02:19:53]:
They're not allowed to fucking paint any new art. I'm done. You understand or not?
Joe [02:19:58]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:19:59]:
This shit that we fucking idolize has to be done. I had enough of it. But I'm serious, Joe.
Joe [02:20:11]:
I'm serious.
Eldar [02:20:12]:
This art, this shit. The arts. Dead. I'm going. Art is dead. Colt on sing.
Mike [02:20:20]:
That's a good one.
Eldar [02:20:21]:
Art is dead.
Mike [02:20:21]:
Call Tom.
Eldar [02:20:22]:
Yeah. Thank you, Mike.
Mike [02:20:24]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:20:25]:
That's a six shirt artist. Dead.
Mike [02:20:27]:
Cold. Tom.
Eldar [02:20:28]:
Call Tom.
Alana [02:20:29]:
Are you putting in Tom phone number?
Eldar [02:20:30]:
I'm gonna tell you right now, and Tom is the only person who could create art going forward? That's it. I pointed it right here today. Say something about it. No.
Joe [02:20:45]:
Yes. Educated background. She's been around the world.
Eldar [02:20:49]:
She saw places. She saw people she know.
Alana [02:20:52]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:20:52]:
They kick us off. She didn't understand any of it. This is the first artist she's gonna be understand.
Joe [02:20:57]:
Mm hmm.
Eldar [02:20:59]:
And it's not gonna influence and gonna ruin anybody's lives because the depiction of the art is depiction of false hopeful. Oh, how do I come up with that? What kind of whiskey is this? It's time out, but market, yo, text the whiskey bottle that we're drinking right now. If they don't pay a million dollars.
Mike [02:21:17]:
For this fucking promotion is low, bro.
Eldar [02:21:19]:
I'm sorry, Mike. Totally.
Toliy [02:21:25]:
I mean, depends what kind of oath you guys have.
Eldar [02:21:28]:
Wow.
Toliy [02:21:30]:
I'm saying that ten might, might be know low or it might be high.
Mike [02:21:42]:
More than ten to the ford we have to give us.
Toliy [02:21:46]:
What do we mean? We can always, we can offer home with.
Joe [02:21:49]:
Yeah, write it down before you forget what you said, Joe.
Eldar [02:21:52]:
It's recorded.
Joe [02:21:53]:
Okay.
Eldar [02:21:55]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:21:58]:
I don't even remember.
Eldar [02:21:59]:
This shit is good. The whiskey is good.
Toliy [02:22:00]:
We can offer financing though, for those that can't afford it.
Eldar [02:22:03]:
Fine.
Joe [02:22:04]:
No, but should we even be calling it art at this point?
Eldar [02:22:08]:
No. Yeah, I agree with you.
Joe [02:22:10]:
I think it's so artistic.
Eldar [02:22:11]:
It should relate to individuals that are confused. Yes or no?
Joe [02:22:18]:
Oh, like the ones that are looking at it, but they don't know that it's art.
Eldar [02:22:21]:
Yeah. No, the ones that are thinking, looking.
Mike [02:22:24]:
At art and not knowing that it's.
Eldar [02:22:26]:
Not actually art that they're looking at, that the art that we actually represent actually is actual art. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I know that you see that something's being birthed right now, but it's totally normal and everything's gonna be okay. Okay, cool. So please put your anxiety into the bathroom, Joe. What did I say? I don't want his fucking money looking at my fucking way. He's shooting his dice right now.
Eldar [02:22:49]:
Put him in the fucking bathroom.
Joe [02:22:53]:
Put a towel over his face.
Eldar [02:22:55]:
Yes. He saw that shit. He said, yo, you're fucking up the game.
Joe [02:23:01]:
It's a mush.
Mike [02:23:04]:
When he said that, he said, put.
Eldar [02:23:05]:
A towel, yeah, bad.
Mike [02:23:09]:
It's worse than putting him in the bathroom, bro.
Joe [02:23:11]:
That's what he said. Come on, Sonny. I don't want to put a towel on my face. That's embarrassing. And then after he heard that, he's like, get in the fucking band.
Eldar [02:23:21]:
Yeah, get him out of here. He put three people in there, right? Yeah.
Toliy [02:23:25]:
This is also an older guy. He's gonna stand for the Taliban.
Joe [02:23:30]:
Jojo the whale.
Eldar [02:23:33]:
Oh, my God.
Mike [02:23:34]:
And Joel the well, you know, he's not a small guy.
Toliy [02:23:37]:
Wait, in that scene where he was like, yo, Joey, when you sweating on me?
Joe [02:23:41]:
Like, Jojo, stop fucking breathing. No, no, that was the same scene. Jojo was leaning over Sonny.
Toliy [02:23:47]:
Yeah, yeah.
Joe [02:23:48]:
Sonny goes, Georgia, would you stop fucking breathing on me? I'm over here because I just want to get in the game, too. I want, you know, I want a little action.
Eldar [02:23:56]:
You fucking breathe it on me. Yeah.
Joe [02:24:00]:
He threw him in the bathroom, too. There were three guys. They were coffee cake, Jojo the whale and Eddie mush. All three in the bathroom.
Mike [02:24:11]:
But they were playing dice from the.
Eldar [02:24:12]:
Bathroom, and they couldn't rebuttal. Right, Joe? They know what the fuck happened. They were fucking mush in the game.
Joe [02:24:16]:
That's it.
Eldar [02:24:18]:
So that's what I'm saying, bro.
Joe [02:24:24]:
He forgot what he said.
Eldar [02:24:25]:
I forgot what I said. Joe reminded me. Dennis, text. Dennis, if you're listening to this, if you still have the ability to listen and audit, I mean, edit the podcast while listening to the shit that's being said, please remind me of what the t shirt said. Text it to me, please. But if you're tuning in outside completely and that's what makes you happy, don't do it. I'll find it myself. Yeah, just leave it in there because.
Joe [02:24:50]:
It won't be cut.
Eldar [02:24:51]:
Yeah, exactly.
Joe [02:24:53]:
We'll hear this, which is. It's record upload. You'll hear the whole thing.
Eldar [02:25:00]:
You know what I mean? No. Yeah, so, wow.
Joe [02:25:05]:
So, I mean, we peeled a lot of lays back.
Eldar [02:25:07]:
We fucking did. Tony's not happy, bro. We try to take what you. You took away basketball, you took away some other shit. I forgot eating, probably. And now he's taking away potential. He leaves brief potential.
Mike [02:25:19]:
Yeah. The more this podcast goes on, we're gonna just kill everything people bought into fake bullshit.
Eldar [02:25:24]:
Oh, my God.
Joe [02:25:25]:
Fake news.
Eldar [02:25:26]:
I'm gonna have to say that this. This podcast will have to be listened to in 20 minutes increments over us. 20 years.
Mike [02:25:32]:
Yes.
Eldar [02:25:33]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:25:34]:
Each episode.
Joe [02:25:35]:
Yeah. You don't want to take on all this knowledge so quickly.
Eldar [02:25:37]:
It's like Cabal. Right? They say till you 90.
Mike [02:25:40]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:25:40]:
Cuz that shit will fuck you up. Mitch read that shit at 18, bro. We still haven't seen him back.
Joe [02:25:44]:
Yeah. He still thinks he's a handkerchief.
Eldar [02:25:52]:
Yeah. Yeah. Holy shit. So, you know, no words.
Toliy [02:26:00]:
Say what I mean. No, I think that, like. Yeah, anything that, like anyone wants to do, they should definitely do it with integrity and with, with those virtues in mind if. If they have that desire and if they want to.
Joe [02:26:16]:
So we are not equal as people, but we might be equal in potential. Potential to actualize. Self actualize. Is that statement still stand or. Because this is button. We might.
Toliy [02:26:33]:
Did you guys know if we come to that? Equal in potential, I'd say probably not.
Joe [02:26:41]:
Yeah. But potential to actual, I can't be.
Mike [02:26:43]:
Equal in potential, I don't think. Because not. We're not able to utilize potential in the same way everybody.
Joe [02:26:50]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:26:50]:
Some people use potential.
Toliy [02:26:51]:
Like if you're 510, I don't know if you could potentially be 7ft. Yeah. Okay. Without extensions, I don't think that you could be potentially 7ft.
Joe [02:27:03]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:27:04]:
Unless you get stretched out like.
Toliy [02:27:05]:
But if you're an asshole, you potentially could be a better guy.
Eldar [02:27:12]:
Told your potential that or what? I mean, recognizing it, not following it, not actualizing it.
Joe [02:27:20]:
I mean, at this point, like, you know, the way I see everyone running around on, you know, social media and living fake lives and like, seeing, it's like it's very watered down and it's very, you know. Yeah, it's not, it's not. We're not reflecting true, true, true selves right now. So, yeah, I say ignore that bullshit and just, you know, look internal.
Eldar [02:27:45]:
Why is it comfortable to live in.
Joe [02:27:46]:
Potential as a comfortable.
Eldar [02:27:50]:
How about this? Does potential realm provide comfort?
Toliy [02:27:56]:
1000%?
Mike [02:27:57]:
I believe it does.
Eldar [02:27:58]:
Hold on 1 second. You call it out. You need to raise your hand, bro.
Toliy [02:28:00]:
I don't have to raise my hand with my status.
Joe [02:28:07]:
Potential.
Eldar [02:28:08]:
You're living in the world of potential?
Joe [02:28:11]:
Sure.
Eldar [02:28:12]:
Why?
Joe [02:28:12]:
Because you could dream, you know, dream doesn't have to be completed. No.
Mike [02:28:20]:
Yeah. As long as you have the dream, you already ain't potentially doing something.
Joe [02:28:23]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:28:26]:
Yeah. Just like everybody's always starting a business, starting a diet, everybody's always potentially, you know, doing something.
Joe [02:28:31]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:28:31]:
If you're already potentially.
Eldar [02:28:33]:
Yum.
Mike [02:28:33]:
I started a business all. It's it.
Eldar [02:28:34]:
You're fucking successful.
Joe [02:28:35]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:28:36]:
You already started. Do anything with it.
Joe [02:28:39]:
Kanye thinks he's gonna be president.
Eldar [02:28:41]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:28:42]:
I mean, potential is huge for that guy.
Alana [02:28:44]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:28:45]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:28:45]:
He doesn't see it yet, though. But he ain't gonna make it.
Eldar [02:28:49]:
Yeah, he missed a couple of variables. Yeah, he missed a couple, but, you.
Toliy [02:28:53]:
Know, anything's possible or you might not have the potential to see it. He might say. Right.
Joe [02:28:58]:
That's true. He's, he's so advanced, he. We might not just seeing above all that, but he's dreaming for sure. Our man. He's on the sound dream world.
Eldar [02:29:10]:
Is he dreaming Hitler?
Joe [02:29:12]:
Is he dreaming of Hitler or dreaming of being.
Toliy [02:29:15]:
No.
Eldar [02:29:16]:
Is he dreaming Hitler?
Joe [02:29:17]:
I don't know what that means to me neither.
Eldar [02:29:22]:
What I'm saying is that Hill was dreaming, right.
Joe [02:29:27]:
Let's just say, you know, he was.
Eldar [02:29:30]:
Dreaming for a particular outcome, for particular thing.
Joe [02:29:32]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:29:33]:
And what I'm saying by dreaming Hitler is if Hitler was mentally ill, which we clearly know that he was.
Joe [02:29:46]:
I mean, we all know ye has mental issues.
Eldar [02:29:50]:
So can you take it?
Joe [02:29:52]:
Can he take it? He needs medication for self actualization. I think people could do without medication. I don't think it's, it's like, you know, necessary for everyone. I think people have the ability to come out of certain things, but my man is struggling. No, not with everything around him, all the people around him and all the stuff that holds him down and doesn't actually allow him to look in the mirror, hold them up, look in the mirror and then like do the work out there.
Eldar [02:30:34]:
How many Kanye west supporters out?
Joe [02:30:45]:
Diehard supporters. Yeah, it's like Trump supporters. Plenty of people that will always, no matter what, 40, 50 he gave, he earned, he raised like 5 miles each selling 5 million. He raised a lot of money selling nfts like caricatures of him being like. But no, he has support. His supporters die support. Yeah, he has died supporters.
Mike [02:31:29]:
He did, but he still has after like the whole thing where he, everybody.
Joe [02:31:32]:
Thinks mind right now, I think he still has support. I mean, because people still love his music. Look, people still listen to Michael Jackson.
Eldar [02:31:41]:
You see that? You see, we just said, we talked about that earlier, right? When we said, hey, you're gonna take a basketball player who's very good at basketball, putting the ball in the hoop and you happy about his stats and the way he does it. And then that person goes into politics. Yeah. And they were like, I want that too. Yeah.
Alana [02:31:55]:
Like, I don't think he would win if you ran, but you would have people at his rallies for sure.
Joe [02:32:00]:
Yeah, more, more of a chance and then actual someone who should be there.
Alana [02:32:06]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:32:07]:
You know, but it's like, that's only.
Eldar [02:32:10]:
Because of the state of the world and technology. Yeah. If we did not have the Internet. Yeah, there will be no Kanye west. There will be a Kanye west. There will be no Kanye west in the magnitude that he is. Like you said there would be a.
Joe [02:32:24]:
Carmine and some people will stop listening to his music based off of his personal opinions.
Toliy [02:32:31]:
But some people also just go for like crazy abstract shit if they don't like what's going. Currently happening.
Joe [02:32:36]:
Yeah.
Toliy [02:32:36]:
I just go against the grain. Yeah.
Joe [02:32:41]:
Of course.
Eldar [02:32:45]:
So we said a lot of crazy shit, and it's only crazy because the people that are listening understand those words that I'm using right now. But it's not crazy at all. Yeah.
Mike [02:32:57]:
It's crazy because it's not, like, mainstream.
Eldar [02:33:01]:
Sure.
Mike [02:33:01]:
But it's actually not crazy at all.
Eldar [02:33:03]:
It's not crazy at all. It's the truth.
Mike [02:33:05]:
It's a true.
Eldar [02:33:06]:
It's not mainstream truth. For now. For now, yeah. But it will be. Yeah. A lot of. So we on the side of the objective truth. I think you're promoter of that.
Eldar [02:33:19]:
We're going after that. All right. And we will get there. Yeah. And the people that we're gonna influence.
Mike [02:33:30]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:33:31]:
You're gonna unfuck them, pretty much unlock their potential.
Eldar [02:33:36]:
We have. Yeah, we have to. Yeah. It's a very good point. Joe, you came in here mean, I love. I love you coming over, but the shit that you said today is profound. You know what I'm saying?
Toliy [02:33:49]:
Especially when it came to time.
Eldar [02:33:50]:
Tommy's art and Joe today has reminded me of why I'm friends with him in the first place. You guys don't understand the terror that we ran, and we did. So you're lucky that Joe is not employed here. You think me and Mike bad? Joe were bad?
Toliy [02:34:09]:
I mean, he had four t shirt ideas in a one one one podcast. That's like $40 million worth of things we did together.
Eldar [02:34:17]:
Like, this shit is just fucking telepathic.
Joe [02:34:20]:
The universe did good by separating us. Yeah.
Eldar [02:34:23]:
Yes. They took a break, but Joe came back. So the.
Toliy [02:34:27]:
The. What's it called?
Mike [02:34:28]:
You.
Toliy [02:34:29]:
You still agree that we might be equal in potential? Because I was saying no.
Eldar [02:34:33]:
You were saying no, I think. No.
Joe [02:34:35]:
Me?
Toliy [02:34:36]:
No.
Eldar [02:34:36]:
Yeah, no, we are, actually. Because the potential is so open ended. I do think so. Potential is open ended, but I don't.
Toliy [02:34:44]:
Think, in general, you could say that, like.
Eldar [02:34:49]:
Bad or good potential. Bad or good is what I'm saying.
Toliy [02:34:52]:
Yeah. But I don't think everyone's equal in that potential.
Eldar [02:34:54]:
The height of potential to the individual based on their circumstance is the tap, and everybody has it.
Toliy [02:35:01]:
Well, I'm. Wait, when you're comparing it to others, though, right?
Eldar [02:35:04]:
You can't compare it to others.
Joe [02:35:05]:
It's like.
Eldar [02:35:06]:
Yeah, you cannot. Yeah. No, no. I do not agree with you at all that it's a general thing for everybody.
Toliy [02:35:11]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:35:12]:
One cannot compare. I cannot compare to Mike. I cannot compare it to me and vice versa. Against the world. Everybody has individual potential.
Joe [02:35:18]:
The ability equal.
Toliy [02:35:20]:
Right.
Joe [02:35:22]:
Is that Billy to think? No, but our ability to think as we all could think. But can. Some people could take it to a certain level. Some people can. Yeah, but no, but potentially output ability to think. Yeah. You can't. You can.
Eldar [02:35:50]:
A lot of times we use the words like potential to mislead ourselves. Yeah, see, we mislead ourselves and then by misleading ourselves because our self suffering. And not only that, we could cause our other self suffering, other people. Right, so sorry.
Mike [02:36:07]:
Sorry.
Eldar [02:36:08]:
It hopes that you have good relationships with people that the individuals that do see potential in you really actually know you.
Joe [02:36:18]:
Ready?
Eldar [02:36:19]:
They know you. Like the Steph Curry's with like the person who actually got to know him or whatever they made him. To the Steph Curry, you hope that you are surrounded by people that actually got to know you, because then they could promote the best of you, of your potential.
Toliy [02:36:35]:
No, I mean that I want Mike.
Eldar [02:36:36]:
To fall in love. Not that in the form that he wanted to fall in love before he thought he was falling in love with some shit. With the qualities that he was, that he had. I thought it was impossible, but I knew that he had to go through it. Now I think we're getting closer on the same page as to how I want him to fall in love and what he's gonna experience. And I think that's great. You know what I'm saying? I'd like to be as a good friend, to be a reminder for him that this is what he's striving for. When sometimes he's, you know, bad on himself or not happy with what he's doing or not accomplishing anything that he's doing.
Eldar [02:37:10]:
I have to get him to the straight path. Let's just say, because I understand that that's what we're going, that's what he actually wants. True love.
Joe [02:37:18]:
Now I feel high because I was just thinking this, this thought potential can potentially change the potential of one's potential.
Eldar [02:37:27]:
That's too hard, Joe. You might have to slow that down by drinking a cup of whiskey.
Joe [02:37:33]:
I'm trying to say how, like, using, using the term potential can be bad. Potentially could change the potential of one's potential.
Eldar [02:37:41]:
Yeah, yeah. It sounds very good without. Yeah.
Alana [02:37:45]:
Tongue twister.
Eldar [02:37:47]:
Yeah. So do we answer that the fact that you didn't think that potential was equal?
Mike [02:37:58]:
No, I think so.
Toliy [02:37:59]:
Well, no, like you, like in my definition. It's not.
Joe [02:38:04]:
You created your own definition for potential.
Toliy [02:38:06]:
Well, no, you're the. Well, this is his definition of. It was just ability to think.
Joe [02:38:11]:
Yeah.
Toliy [02:38:11]:
Without an output. I was like, okay, if I do.
Eldar [02:38:16]:
Two circles of people, this is circle. Person a and this is person b. You clearly see that this is bigger, right? Yeah, clearly this bigger. The potential is a little bit bigger.
Toliy [02:38:26]:
Right?
Eldar [02:38:27]:
Right. However, in this potential, because it's bigger, this potential here, pissed, equals to this p. This p. Why? Because the circle is a circle. They're operating out of a circle. Just because he's operating a small circle, he can't go outside of the circle. So his potential is equal to this potential. Is there a risk his potential is just bigger, but doesn't mean it's not.
Eldar [02:38:53]:
It's smaller than, it's bigger than this one.
Mike [02:38:55]:
Is there a cap for is there a cap?
Eldar [02:38:58]:
Huh?
Mike [02:38:58]:
Is there a cap for potential? Like for the accomplishment, actualization?
Eldar [02:39:02]:
Well, that's what I'm saying. The circle is what I'm saying is the potential. The person who grew up in the ghetto has this amount of resources, has the potential to only reach x amount, you know what I'm saying? Versus the person who has different thing. Could be his circle is a little bit bigger. By definition, it's a little bit, sounds like it's a little bit bigger because he has more resources.
Mike [02:39:21]:
Okay.
Eldar [02:39:22]:
But the effort and all the other stuff that goes into that potential is the same effort.
Toliy [02:39:25]:
Well, that's 100%.
Eldar [02:39:27]:
That's what I'm saying.
Toliy [02:39:27]:
It's the same thing. Yeah, but they, but then you're talking about outputs here.
Eldar [02:39:31]:
Yeah.
Toliy [02:39:31]:
You're not talking about ability to think. So then you're agreeing with me. That's what I was saying. So it's not just your ability to think, it's, it's an output.
Mike [02:39:43]:
That is your potential to actualize.
Eldar [02:39:46]:
Your ability to think is confined.
Toliy [02:39:51]:
No. So, so no, the potential is not outlined. Potential is not defined by your ability to think. Because if you're just talking about do we have like, equal potential and ability to think? But people have different abilities to think on different levels. 100%. You could think about, you know, just one and two, and then someone else could think about one to 1000. Right. But you're still having both the ability to think.
Toliy [02:40:14]:
But I view potential as like, there's an output attached to it. And when it comes to that, we are not equal in potential. You just agreed with that?
Eldar [02:40:25]:
Yeah, if I run it back.
Joe [02:40:28]:
Just run it back. Yeah, listen to it comes out.
Eldar [02:40:31]:
Yeah. Like I said, this whiskey.
Toliy [02:40:34]:
Yeah. Because I feel like potential.
Eldar [02:40:36]:
Who wants to be, wants to drink whiskey that is gonna do a number on them.
Mike [02:40:40]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:40:40]:
You have to drink this whiskey.
Mike [02:40:41]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:40:42]:
I think so. But unfortunately, we're not gonna tell you what it is.
Joe [02:40:44]:
Not gonna say what it is, because.
Eldar [02:40:48]:
This whiskey didn't get the marketing from us just yet. I didn't realize that we have the best podcast in the world that nobody heard of.
Toliy [02:40:53]:
And we will one day unveil what whiskey. This is once they sign the deal, 100%.
Eldar [02:40:57]:
And that deal, unfortunately. Unfortunately for them, it's very expensive.
Toliy [02:41:03]:
No, it's not very expensive. It's very expensive. No, it's not very. No, it's not very expensive. Well, yeah, expensive is only defined by what you get out of.
Eldar [02:41:11]:
Oh, my God. He's talking about Roi, guys.
Toliy [02:41:13]:
Yeah. How can you say something?
Eldar [02:41:18]:
How do we ever find the equal ground?
Mike [02:41:21]:
It's impossible.
Toliy [02:41:22]:
What do you mean? We're always going to give more than what we get.
Mike [02:41:24]:
Yes.
Toliy [02:41:25]:
Wow.
Eldar [02:41:26]:
He's trying to kill us.
Mike [02:41:27]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:41:28]:
We always gonna get what?
Mike [02:41:30]:
We're always gonna give more than we.
Toliy [02:41:31]:
Yeah. The people that will get the back. The people that will get the back end of what we give will get ten x. What we'll ever get.
Joe [02:41:38]:
That's why next. That's why you always ask, name your price.
Toliy [02:41:41]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:41:42]:
Because you put that. You put that in the power of the person.
Toliy [02:41:45]:
Yeah. You know, Joe, you like those shoes?
Joe [02:41:47]:
These shoes?
Toliy [02:41:48]:
All right, is there a pair of shoes that you like?
Joe [02:41:52]:
I love vans.
Toliy [02:41:53]:
Okay, how much you pay? Well, okay, how much you pay for that? Yeah, yeah. In any product that you actually like, whether it costs, you know, $10, $30, $50, the consumers, like, there's. There's no way that that company that you just said, like, values that $30 that you spend on those shoes more than what you get out of the shoes. So that the person buying is always inherently going to get more than the person selling. If. If the person was buying enjoys whatever they're buying. Wow. That's always how it is.
Toliy [02:42:25]:
Like, if somebody spends $10,000 with us and they're having success from it, they're probably getting $30,000 back.
Eldar [02:42:31]:
Wow.
Toliy [02:42:32]:
Otherwise, they wouldn't.
Eldar [02:42:34]:
$30,000 back in actual money. You know what kind of money you're getting?
Joe [02:42:38]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:42:38]:
Metal money. And that's astronomical. Yes, bro. I think we're super rich already, Mike. We don't have to go anywhere.
Mike [02:42:49]:
They gotta come to us.
Joe [02:42:51]:
How do you cash out, though? How do you catch this out?
Eldar [02:42:54]:
Joe?
Mike [02:42:54]:
You don't have to.
Eldar [02:42:55]:
You know what we're doing? Yeah. Joe trying to sell himself. He said, yo, here's my booty. Cash me out.
Mike [02:43:06]:
Joe's trying to get out early, bro.
Eldar [02:43:07]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mike [02:43:09]:
You're trying to sell this guy fucking new heart, bro.
Eldar [02:43:12]:
You know what I'm saying? Actually gave you v two. V 2.0, bro. What's the matter with you?
Toliy [02:43:18]:
You know, you might just dunk us to go jump and just dunk out of nowhere. Yeah, two hands with Miles now extra.
Joe [02:43:27]:
Yeah, that's true. Like, we're here the year.
Toliy [02:43:29]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:43:30]:
Break your arm and then you could throw 100.
Toliy [02:43:31]:
Yeah.
Joe [02:43:32]:
Miles an hour.
Eldar [02:43:33]:
I don't know about you guys, this is my final thoughts. Remember Jerry's final thoughts?
Joe [02:43:37]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:43:38]:
Don't ask who fucking Jerry was springing. He's a nobody in comparison to us. But, um, the fact that what we did today, I think personally, like we always do on Friday nights, at least we didn't only drink good whiskey, but you know what I'm saying? Yo, how much. Fuck. What we did today is go back to the fucking board. Yo. When are you gonna see the visual of the board, Mike? Where's the camera? You know what I'm saying?
Mike [02:44:16]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:44:17]:
All right.
Joe [02:44:18]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:44:18]:
Everyone wants to fucking board. They've been asking, no, I told you.
Toliy [02:44:23]:
The new meta of podcast is gonna be. No, no, no fucks. Given about the people elicited. I'm telling you, mark my words, that's gonna be the next.
Alana [02:44:34]:
It already exists, I think. Oh, people just recording what they're doing every day.
Eldar [02:44:39]:
Yeah. But there's a difference between them doing it and not getting anywhere.
Alana [02:44:43]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:44:44]:
And also.
Toliy [02:44:48]:
Yeah. Cuz, like, the podcast has always been about, like, make the sound the best, making, like, the advertising the best, everything the best. And to me, that will eventually, like.
Eldar [02:45:03]:
I was trying to say one thing. I was trying to say that the fact that is we got together today, right? And we, with our ability to think and reason, I thought, at least for me, created magic.
Mike [02:45:15]:
That's exactly, yeah, we created magic. We do. Every Friday.
Eldar [02:45:20]:
We do. We do this every Friday. 100%. Yeah, we do some crazy shit. We haven't had no 100% externals.
Mike [02:45:26]:
Yes.
Eldar [02:45:31]:
No, no, no.
Toliy [02:45:32]:
But until you sign the slip, you'll be referred to as external one and two. Right.
Eldar [02:45:37]:
What this tells me, not only I, but the individuals, the externals that join us today, our guests also have the same shit.
Mike [02:45:46]:
And that's where potential equal.
Eldar [02:45:49]:
That's where we.
Mike [02:45:49]:
We can all.
Eldar [02:45:50]:
You understand? We can read magic. We experience this fucking magic.
Mike [02:45:53]:
We can experience magic.
Eldar [02:45:55]:
Oh, yes. Well, yeah, experience magic. Right. And that's the empowerment behind that. That if you start reasoning and thinking and really paying attention to what going on, you will create magic.
Toliy [02:46:06]:
I'm gonna have to disagree with you. I don't like this kind of terminology. I'm, like, calling stuff magic and stuff like that. Because that takes. Take you takes away. No, it takes away from, like, the. What's actually happening.
Eldar [02:46:19]:
Okay, what is.
Toliy [02:46:21]:
What is that magic is saying that we just created something unexplainable. It's perfectly explainable.
Eldar [02:46:25]:
Oh, wow. Okay, fine. You know what? Magic is undermining you. Yeah.
Toliy [02:46:32]:
Like, I hate going to those chat rooms that people like. Wow, this moment, this is magical.
Eldar [02:46:43]:
Woke. Magic is dead.
Toliy [02:46:45]:
Yeah. Magic is 100% dead.
Eldar [02:46:48]:
Magic is dead. Yo, fuck this shit, Houdini.
Joe [02:46:50]:
David Blaine still alive. I don't know you're talking about.
Eldar [02:46:52]:
Huh?
Joe [02:46:53]:
David Blaine still alive.
Eldar [02:46:54]:
And well.
Joe [02:46:57]:
Done with David Blaine.
Mike [02:46:58]:
He's doing.
Toliy [02:47:00]:
He went past mad.
Eldar [02:47:05]:
Yeah. You know, fuck that shit. Totally is, right.
Toliy [02:47:11]:
Yeah, you're undermining it completely.
Eldar [02:47:12]:
No, they might have to ask for a cool word and shit. You want to call, like.
Joe [02:47:21]:
Not even a word.
Eldar [02:47:23]:
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? What do you want to call that? Because, like, yo, the gig is up. It's not magic. You're right.
Joe [02:47:28]:
Yeah. Just, y'all, Tommy, call Tommy for the word. He'll give it. He'll give you the word, yo. Yeah, I'll give you the word right now. You need to dig.
Mike [02:47:40]:
He knows what is.
Eldar [02:47:41]:
And this is gonna prove that Tommy is more.
Joe [02:47:44]:
More in demand and we can end the podcast.
Toliy [02:47:52]:
Who's putting in their bets? Is he picking up or not, Joe?
Eldar [02:47:56]:
No.
Mike [02:47:58]:
Not two times in one day.
Eldar [02:47:59]:
No.
Toliy [02:48:01]:
The hell, Joe? Are you crazy? 2 hours.
Eldar [02:48:05]:
You understand? He's an artist, bro. He's busy. He's booked up, bro. He's booked up, bro. He's busy. He's an artist.
Joe [02:48:14]:
Yes.
Eldar [02:48:16]:
I fucking knew it. Yeah. Yeah. What do you call Alana? You the outsider. You have to call it. What the fuck did we just do?
Toliy [02:48:28]:
Did we just get drunk?
Eldar [02:48:29]:
You didn't drink?
Alana [02:48:30]:
I didn't drink.
Eldar [02:48:30]:
So what the fuck happened to you? But we took you on the fucking crazy roller coaster. You did?
Alana [02:48:35]:
Yes. It's not magic. We don't want it to be spiritual. I think we just need to make it.
Eldar [02:48:42]:
Why do you say that? We can make it spiritual. If you want, we could.
Toliy [02:48:45]:
Why?
Mike [02:48:46]:
We can put those on the number. Something that's never been created.
Alana [02:48:49]:
Yeah, I think it needs to be something. A new word.
Mike [02:48:53]:
It has to be a new word. Yeah, you gotta think about it.
Eldar [02:48:57]:
Wow.
Mike [02:48:57]:
But it's definitely you guys almost saying, like, it doesn't.
Eldar [02:49:00]:
You have to go. Go with the James. Yo, you have to be a sound, which you guys are saying.
Mike [02:49:04]:
Something can't even be a fucking word.
Eldar [02:49:06]:
It could be a sound, bro.
Alana [02:49:07]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mike [02:49:08]:
The thing is, all those words, the words that we could potentially use, they're misused completely.
Eldar [02:49:16]:
Now, now, now what you're saying, Mike, is now you're going from evolution from a chimp to human to human to.
Mike [02:49:25]:
Next level question mark. You try to define a new language 100%.
Eldar [02:49:30]:
Oh, shit. Did you take mushrooms before you got here?
Mike [02:49:32]:
I'm not going to answer that question.
Eldar [02:49:34]:
Okay, very good, very good. But if you did, it would start with a yes. Let us know if you want to pay enough money to know kind of mushrooms. If you just like any mushrooms before you. Yeah. What the fuck you saying that we need to create new language?
Mike [02:49:51]:
We're gonna create a new language. A new, like evolution. Think about it. Like everything that has been done and the ways that have been thought about and understood, it will be your serious.
Toliy [02:50:07]:
Up to a coup.
Eldar [02:50:08]:
He's trying. Yeah, he's trying to overthrow the government. Trump did that shit. Fucking crazies.
Toliy [02:50:13]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:50:23]:
Bro, he's trying something bad.
Joe [02:50:26]:
Slow down, Mike. Here. Yeah, just quit basketball. Just figuring yourself out. New language just yet.
Mike [02:50:34]:
I can't.
Joe [02:50:34]:
The world's not ready.
Eldar [02:50:37]:
That's the whole point, you know, that's.
Mike [02:50:39]:
That's the whole point.
Eldar [02:50:40]:
T shirt to Mike. The world's not ready for me. I'm done. And you can't talk to anybody who comes to you and says, anybody comes to you and says, yo, Mike, why are you wearing that t shirt? That looks pretty cool. Can you tell me a little about it? You just have to walk away, bro. Yeah, let's join up.
Joe [02:50:55]:
World's not ready.
Eldar [02:50:58]:
For you.
Joe [02:51:03]:
We're gonna use to make your t shirts. You make himself in house, buy a machine so no one could, you know, metal, would it? Yeah.
Toliy [02:51:15]:
And there has to be an invisible, like, mark on it.
Eldar [02:51:18]:
Come on. You know what that is?
Joe [02:51:21]:
What if your t shirts, you printed them, but didn't print them in ink.
Eldar [02:51:27]:
Joe, now we're gonna have to talk outside of this.
Toliy [02:51:30]:
Now we need to go into a business board meeting.
Eldar [02:51:32]:
Everything censored. You can't even listen to this. I would like for you going forward right now, put earplugs in your. In your ears and know that the next hour that we're gonna speak, you can't listen to.
Toliy [02:51:44]:
We're gonna have thousands of different shirts with no text on it.
Joe [02:51:47]:
No text? No text.
Eldar [02:51:51]:
But only the person who receives it understands what's on it. Yeah, yeah.
Toliy [02:51:54]:
And we're gonna tell the person what that shirt supposed to say.
Mike [02:51:56]:
Oh my God. But how many pieces?
Joe [02:52:06]:
Well, we can sell glasses. If you wear any glasses, you can see the text everyone buy.
Toliy [02:52:12]:
And there's only one pair of glasses for each shirt that could see that one shirt only. And if those two people meet, they could.
Joe [02:52:20]:
This is better than bunch of going.
Eldar [02:52:24]:
Through and experience that if you think in reason, something magical happens. And that's called creativity magic. Oh, I'm sorry, you have to give me this from word. I'm still stuck.
Toliy [02:52:37]:
Yeah, ruined it again.
Eldar [02:52:38]:
I ruined it again.
Mike [02:52:40]:
No, it has to be something new, something beautiful.
Joe [02:52:42]:
You say sensational.
Mike [02:52:44]:
No, no, it's not a word that's invented. It's not. It's not a word that exists.
Eldar [02:52:50]:
Suspect, bro. They podcast, but you can't do that shit, bro.
Mike [02:52:53]:
It's not a word that exists because you can't say that this is something that existed before. You can't label it something that it is.
Toliy [02:53:02]:
It might have to be only left.
Eldar [02:53:03]:
Mike is being not only the depth police, he's being a language police.
Mike [02:53:08]:
I mean, that's just what it he.
Eldar [02:53:09]:
Says, he has no depth. People have no depth.
Mike [02:53:12]:
Not all people.
Eldar [02:53:13]:
Yeah. Listen, if you want to get a scan from Mike, whether or not you have depth, this is it.
Mike [02:53:27]:
You say, I'm out of here.
Toliy [02:53:28]:
This is it, I'm out of here.
Eldar [02:53:29]:
Guys, unplug the wire. Joe said, yo, let me call my doctor. He's not getting a shot of whiskey right now. Yo, this shit is fucked. Back. This shit is fucked.
Toliy [02:53:41]:
I thought Joe got out of his seat to find out from Mike.
Eldar [02:53:44]:
You want me to scan you? Listen, if you want scan from Mike.
Toliy [02:53:53]:
I'm gonna say it.
Eldar [02:53:54]:
It's gonna cost $1,000 for a scan, y'all. Whether this will give you 1 hour with Mike. He's gonna sit down with you, Mike. Mike, is 1 hour okay?
Mike [02:54:03]:
No, I don't need that much.
Alana [02:54:05]:
I was gonna say that's a long time.
Eldar [02:54:07]:
All right, 20 minutes, Mike.
Toliy [02:54:08]:
I would say a minute.
Eldar [02:54:10]:
No, that's bad. 20 minutes with Mike, $1,000. You sit down and he's gonna give you whether or not you have depth and a very concise fucking thing.
Mike [02:54:19]:
But we're not gonna talk.
Eldar [02:54:22]:
What?
Mike [02:54:22]:
We're not gonna talk?
Eldar [02:54:23]:
We're not gonna talk?
Mike [02:54:24]:
No.
Eldar [02:54:27]:
I'm gonna look at you. Yeah.
Joe [02:54:29]:
How you telepathically?
Mike [02:54:30]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:54:32]:
Oh, my God, y'all.
Mike [02:54:34]:
Mike, you're confident I'm gonna tune in? Yeah.
Eldar [02:54:37]:
Fucking shit.
Joe [02:54:38]:
Can you do it now?
Eldar [02:54:40]:
Yeah, sure.
Mike [02:54:42]:
Yeah, but you got a gotta pay.
Joe [02:54:45]:
I mean, where you. We're the inner circle.
Eldar [02:54:48]:
Yeah, like I said, totally doesn't like the word that I use. But, you know, we got together. We use the things that are on top of our heads, I guess brains of minds or whatever the fuck you did, conscious. And I think we had a good time. If we have that ability to do this now because we made the choice, the conscious choice to be here, don't we have the conscious choice to be everywhere else? Is my question. If we do, then that means we're saying that we have potential to actualize. And if we do, then we can be actualized forever in all the moments of our lives. And if we can do that, we'll be happy.
Eldar [02:55:31]:
Everything else giggles up, you know what I'm saying? You lying to yourself, you cheating yourself and all the other shit. This is not a bad thing. This is just shows you the process that you're not there yet. You know what I'm saying? Don't. Don't feel guilty or bad about it. We're obviously not there. We just happen to have a very. Matt, a very beautiful moment on Friday night with our friends that.
Eldar [02:55:56]:
That resulted in whatever at least experienced. I can only speak for myself, but I enjoyed this. I said no. That's my final thoughts, Mike.
Mike [02:56:06]:
Yeah, I have no final thoughts.
Eldar [02:56:07]:
I mean, you can't say anything about what I just said. Exactly. Good. Very good.
Joe [02:56:14]:
Just upset that Tommy didn't pick up.
Eldar [02:56:16]:
Yes, yes.
Mike [02:56:18]:
But you should be happy they didn't pick up because then it would take away from the art.
Joe [02:56:23]:
I understand. I just don't. I understand. I don't enjoy that. I understand you're so.
Mike [02:56:30]:
You say you're upset, but for selfish reasons.
Eldar [02:56:33]:
Yeah, that's okay.
Joe [02:56:33]:
Mm hmm. I might have to walk away from Tommy for a little bit.
Eldar [02:56:38]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:56:39]:
I'm not sure if you can, but.
Eldar [02:56:40]:
Yeah, I'm not sure if you can.
Mike [02:56:42]:
Because once you got big, time is everywhere. Yeah.
Eldar [02:56:46]:
And nowhere.
Mike [02:56:47]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:56:50]:
Final thoughts.
Toliy [02:56:51]:
I got nothing.
Eldar [02:56:52]:
We got nothing. Look at this shit. Yo. Wow. Great podcast.
Alana [02:56:59]:
I'm glad I got to experience it by.
Eldar [02:57:01]:
You did really good. What'd you like about it? Come on, I told you I was gonna ask you the question. Why?
Alana [02:57:06]:
Why would you experience.
Eldar [02:57:08]:
What'd you like?
Alana [02:57:09]:
I like that it's just like free flowing conversation.
Eldar [02:57:12]:
That's it.
Alana [02:57:13]:
That's like one topic, you know, that keeps coming back to the top. I think that's good.
Eldar [02:57:19]:
All right, fine. One day you'll be a little bit more honest, but we'll take that. There's more to it. Come on. You hiding? I joke.
Joe [02:57:29]:
I already said I have no comment.
Eldar [02:57:32]:
Okay.
Joe [02:57:32]:
No, I already said my piece. I'm just upset that we couldn't tune into Tommy's.
Eldar [02:57:36]:
Yeah, Tommy. Shit.
Mike [02:57:37]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:57:38]:
We will, though. Like I said, if you want to catch Tommy for next Time podcast, hopefully he's gonna answer this phone, but there's more to come. And I think. I think we discovered Tommy on two. Two weeks ago or whatever. Three weeks ago.
Mike [02:57:51]:
Yeah, three weeks.
Eldar [02:57:52]:
And Joe discovered him, also learned about him, but he discovered him today, so this is the value.
Mike [02:57:58]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:57:58]:
And that's profound. And I hope that a lot of discovers in later.
Mike [02:58:03]:
Mm hmm.
Joe [02:58:05]:
Mm hmm.
Eldar [02:58:06]:
Guys, good job.
Mike [02:58:07]:
Thank you so much.
50. From Potential to Actualization: How Small Steps Lead to Monumental Achievements
Dec 30, 2022•3 hr 58 min•Ep. 50
Episode description
How do we understand and actualize our potential?
In Episode 50 hosts Eldar, Mike, and, Toliy along with guests Joey and Alana delve into complex discussions surrounding the concept of potential—both realized and unrealized. They explore how societal influences, personal environments, and internal versus external validations impact an individual's ability to harness and act on their potential. Through spirited debates and philosophical reflections, the hosts dissect the nuances of recognizing one's capabilities, the barriers that impede actualization, and the multifaceted nature of achieving true self-fulfillment.
Central to the episode is the question of whether every individual’s potential is equal and how much of it is shaped by external circumstances versus inherent abilities. The hosts reflect on examples from sports, like the careers of Steph Curry and Kevin Durant, to emphasize how supportive environments and individual persistence can create or hinder success. They also touch on the metaphorical idea of living in a realm of potential, debating whether it offers comfort or hinders tangible achievements. Amid humor and deep conversations, the hosts underscore that potential, while significant, must be balanced with practical actions to avoid missed opportunities and potential regrets.
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