47. Confronting Celebrity Worship: Tommy's Fears After Kanye West's Controversial Rants

Intro [00:00:00]: On this week's episode, 

Tommy [00:00:02]: there's a certain sort of flavor of discrimination when it comes to being jewish. When it comes to jewish people being successful. It's a conspiracy. In my own fucked up kind of way, I feel like I'm competing with Kanye. It's like if you woke up one day and everyone decided not to wipe their ass that morning, and it smelled like shit. Okay, that's what I'm talking about. It's like people woke up stupid one day.

Eldar [00:00:22]:
Every individual has unlimited amount of magic and potential in them. Unlimited, they just haven't discovered yet. Through philosophy, you get closer and closer to finding that magic. And when you do, you fall in love with yourself. You fall in love, and then you in turn, fall in love with the world. And then you no longer are being oppressed by the world or changed by the world or influenced by the world. You start influencing the world. Tom was a guest I had some thoughts about.

Mike [00:01:00]:
Listen, that's why you're going in.

Tommy [00:01:02]:
The idea that Plato put forth.

Eldar [00:01:04]:
Wow.

Tommy [00:01:05]:
You know, making the ideal world. The philosopher kings.

Eldar [00:01:08]:
Philosopher kings, yes.

Tommy [00:01:10]:
This is how we get over this bump.

Eldar [00:01:12]:
No, 100%. Tom, talk to us. What you got?

Tommy [00:01:15]:
Well, you know, I'm thinking about finishing school.

Eldar [00:01:18]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:01:18]:
And I kind of ask, you know, how do I maybe should I, should I explore philosophy as, like, part of my school plan?

Eldar [00:01:29]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:01:30]:
Because, you know, we have something kind of unique as friends. You know, this thing, you know, it makes sense to me. We kind of get together, we talk about things, and I love that. How many people have the opportunity to do that, or even given the opportunity, would embrace it or appreciate it?

Eldar [00:01:54]:
I mean, when I got bit by the philosophy bug, I mean, I think I went through all those feelings you're talking about right now.

Tommy [00:02:01]:
Really.

Eldar [00:02:02]:
You know, I think a lot of people could. And I also felt, though, in that moment when I was experiencing what I was experiencing, that everybody should. Right. But the more I did it, the more I understood. Kind of like, this thing is also, like, a timely thing where it's, like, timing. You know what I mean? It seems like you're feeling right now that this is something you might need and want, and that's why you have the thirst for it or the hunger for it. That's why you want to do it.

Tommy [00:02:28]:
It's not very strong. I'll say that it makes sense, and maybe just not pushing it too much to the extreme, but it makes sense to me that I have an opportunity to share wisdom.

Eldar [00:02:43]:
Mm hmm.

Tommy [00:02:44]:
Or maybe even be wise in my life because I've been gifted with that opportunity to be in that environment. So I feel like sometimes like I have something worth of value that I can give away. I can share, give back, like, I can give. That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to, but it's much different.

Eldar [00:03:09]:
I like that.

Tommy [00:03:10]:
Much different.

Eldar [00:03:12]:
You know, I will.

Tommy [00:03:13]:
What I used to be.

Eldar [00:03:14]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:03:15]:
It's way different.

Eldar [00:03:16]:
Okay, so then let's start with I.

Tommy [00:03:19]:
Used to be very ignorant.

Eldar [00:03:20]:
Yeah. What can you share, Tom? What is it that you can share with the world?

Tommy [00:03:26]:
I mean, you remember that. You remember that. That day where I saw you guys behind Dunkin donuts and Mike called me over and introduced you to me?

Eldar [00:03:33]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:03:34]:
He asked you to come over and say what's up.

Eldar [00:03:36]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:03:37]:
And do you remember what I told you?

Eldar [00:03:38]:
No, what?

Tommy [00:03:39]:
You asked me how I was doing. You remember what I said when you asked me that question?

Eldar [00:03:42]:
No, I don't.

Tommy [00:03:44]:
I was. I said, you know, not so good. And you were like, why? And I was like, well, I'm doing heroin.

Eldar [00:03:50]:
You didn't say that. Yeah, you did say that.

Tommy [00:03:53]:
You probably don't remember. This guy's a saint.

Eldar [00:03:58]:
Why I should remember that part of you about you.

Tommy [00:04:00]:
I mean, I thought you'd remember, but it's. It's minor detail. But the idea was that, you know, I was really rock bottom at that time.

Eldar [00:04:10]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:04:11]:
You know, I was walking around Dunkin donuts that night. I was heading home that night from doing nothing, from walking around town. You know, I was just walking around that day. So I was just. I was walking home.

Eldar [00:04:24]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:04:27]:
And I remember what you said to me, too. You said, well, are the things that you're doing causing you suffering? And I was like, yeah. And you were like, well, then why? Why are you doing it? And that kind of stuck with me, you know? It was like, say, it was like a very. It was like a seed, you know? And it just started to grow little bit.

Eldar [00:04:58]:
So you're saying from that seed, a mighty strong finally grew.

Tommy [00:05:00]:
There's a turning point, dude. It's very hard to say.

Eldar [00:05:04]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:05:05]:
Without, like, some time to reflect. I mean. I mean, a long time to sort of like, you know, let the dust settle or whatever. Let things settle. Like, what the hell happened? Yeah, I deal with this question all the time. Like, what the hell happened in your life?

Eldar [00:05:21]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:05:23]:
And I want to be able to say, yeah, I turned away from all the nonsense at one point, and everything was great from there.

Eldar [00:05:31]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:05:33]:
Why do I want to say that? Because I really want to draw a line and say, that was before, and I can put that behind me and you can see what potential there is in that because it could free your emotions. It could free you.

Eldar [00:05:50]:
Did it get you from guilt?

Tommy [00:05:51]:
No, absolutely not. Because I still live.

Eldar [00:05:54]:
Oh, shit.

Tommy [00:05:55]:
With the person who I am. You see what I'm saying?

Eldar [00:05:58]:
Yeah. But that same person from before is no longer in existence.

Tommy [00:06:02]:
That same. That same person from before is still in existence. I'm just distanced from that person today. I'm distanced on, along many lines. I'd say I'm wiser and I'm better as a person.

Eldar [00:06:13]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:06:14]:
So whatever could fill in the gap there to describe what's happened between then and now, it certainly isn't. That was before and that's gone.

Eldar [00:06:23]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:06:24]:
But it is an earlier, darker time in my life that sometimes I appreciate for these reasons alone, because I'm wiser today, you know, so I had reasons before for wanting to not be that person that I was, you know? But today, when you have knowledge, wisdom, when you have a different view and you have more perspective, it's radically different. And I can appreciate that a little bit more. So I try to put myself in those shoes that I was in before. I try to think about what my life was like before by actually entering the mind of young Tom.

Eldar [00:07:15]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:07:17]:
And thinking about what. What I. What the hell was going on in my mind at the time. And that's the hardest part to break. It's hard to break away from. You were very small. You know, you're very limited. And these are negative views of you are very, very difficult to, you know, to, like, just discount, you know, you can't, like, what can you explore more in one's life when you're an addict and when you're kind of a reject and you're in trouble or, you know, you're.

Tommy [00:07:50]:
You're a menace.

Eldar [00:07:51]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:07:52]:
Other than that, you're really like a pest, you know, or like that. You're very limited in terms of, like, your, your, you know, I mean, we look down upon people who are, like, committing crimes and we, you know, and we think less of them. And so when you're that person, when you're doing that kind of stuff, it's. As the person who's reformed, it takes a lot of, I think, mental power to break free from that, from that limited scope of the person you were.

Eldar [00:08:27]:
I agree.

Tommy [00:08:27]:
You know, even you being wiser, looking back and saying, I'm better than who I was, for whatever reasons, you still have a hard time looking at yourself as a person. Because of what you were. Whereas today, I can look at myself as a person for what I've become because of these reasons, which is also what we're talking about, you know, like, the idea of you having now this, you now being equipped with wisdom that you can give to your community and you doing the work, the things that necessarily move us forward in life, possibly. And knowing that, knowing your own worth in that. It's like what Spider man gets told by his uncle.

Eldar [00:09:08]:
Right.

Tommy [00:09:09]:
With a great power comes great responsibility.

Eldar [00:09:11]:
That's right.

Tommy [00:09:12]:
I believe that among friends, yes. You can apply to almost anything for sure. So, you know, it makes me think a little bit because I'm able to get over some of these difficult moments in my life with that kind of equipped knowledge, the equipped wisdom. I don't see myself like, it's appalling to me that this whole thing with Kanye west can happen.

Eldar [00:09:36]:
Uh oh.

Tommy [00:09:37]:
He's extremely popular, rich or whatever.

Eldar [00:09:40]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:09:42]:
And it does scare you a little bit because they're kind of sending waves and they're. They're shocking the world with the way they behave.

Eldar [00:09:51]:
But why don't you want to extend the same understanding? Why don't you want to extend the same understanding towards people like. Like him, for example, who can be, you know, maybe ignorant for the moment, just like you were ignorant for the moment when you were, you know, hurting yourself or hurting people around you? Like, he's just doing it on a larger scale. Right. Just because Kanye west is a little bit more popular.

Tommy [00:10:10]:
Right.

Eldar [00:10:11]:
There's plenty of people out there that are hateful, that are, you know, prejudiced, you know? You know, and all those bad things. Yeah, but they're not. They just don't have the big platform like he does. Right. He has millions of followers and stuff like that.

Tommy [00:10:23]:
I don't want. I don't want to do too much of a tangent for this. I don't want to, like, try to make crazy connections right now. But I will say this, that if you. If you feel like you're on the opposing side of his, let's say, debate, and you're one of a number of people who. Who want to see the world a better place and can see past your limitations, well, what if his point of view is more powerful than yours, even though you're on the side of goodness?

Eldar [00:10:56]:
No, but how can it be? What are you talking about? How can his. How can his maybe ignorant standpoint or.

Tommy [00:11:01]:
Whatever, let's say the dystopian world, you get, you know, like, ambushed by some thugs, you know, knowing that you are the guy who spoke out against this person and essentially, what are we? Fanatics, crazy people out there?

Eldar [00:11:19]:
Yeah, but are you being ambushed because you spoke out and they. They're actually targeting you because of what they heard from you?

Tommy [00:11:26]:
Exactly.

Eldar [00:11:26]:
So then what's. What's your actual opinion here?

Tommy [00:11:28]:
It's kind of like I'm asking in this. In Kanye's scenario, it's like, what does it mean to be jewish in the United States or to be whatever, you know, to be the person who hears these things and faces anti semitism in their own community because it kind of trickles down. You know, these small time people are hearing what the top has to say, and they're saying this whole system is corrupt and we're being defrauded by this entity. You know, they're telling you this on the highest of levels. You're worried that that person, that. That this entity is the one that is preventing you from rising up in this world.

Eldar [00:12:05]:
This sentiment that you're sharing right now, is it shared amongst a lot of people of your kind?

Katherine [00:12:10]:
You want to clarify for most people that, like, don't know Tom?

Eldar [00:12:14]:
Well, Tom is diagnosed with what?

Tommy [00:12:16]:
Nothing. Thanks for the shadow.

Eldar [00:12:20]:
Yeah, no, no, for sure.

Tommy [00:12:21]:
Yeah, I love getting the loves.

Eldar [00:12:22]:
Yeah, yeah.

Tommy [00:12:25]:
I got to keep my own reputation of, um. I do. Is it shared? Yeah, I. I think it's not, um.

Eldar [00:12:33]:
Is it, like. It's an actual.

Tommy [00:12:36]:
I was saying the tea before that. Kanye has a game. He has a game of spinning threads out of the first things that he associates with his. In his mind, and he creates a scenario from which you have to enter his world and then play in that sandbox of his.

Eldar [00:12:55]:
Yeah, but it's very limited. It's manipulative, sure, but it's very limited. And anybody who has some sense understands that the individual probably is a little bit ill, if not a lot.

Tommy [00:13:06]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:13:06]:
You know, and that's why he's saying the things he's saying. He's trying to manipulate it and play, like you said, in his. In his set of rules, where if you use a little bit of logic, use a little bit of reason, you clearly see that he'll fail the test every time. You fail every time.

Tommy [00:13:19]:
Mm hmm.

Eldar [00:13:20]:
There's no. There's no. Hold any water.

Tommy [00:13:23]:
Don't get hurt. You know, I've been. I've been hearing about. What's the name? What's the name?

Eldar [00:13:27]:
I mean, but people.

Tommy [00:13:28]:
Dwayne Maxwell.

Eldar [00:13:29]:
People. Always.

Tommy [00:13:30]:
Sidekick. Yeah, she was helping. What'd you say? Yeah, she was helping. Like, you know, facilitate all these abusive, you know, behaviors.

Eldar [00:13:41]:
Yeah, yeah.

Tommy [00:13:41]:
And, you know, it's not until later when it all comes, you know, comes down, that the punishment is delivered, the judgment is delivered. But I guess then we have to ask, like. Or we should ask, what is the meaning of averting these kinds of. These things? Maybe you're saving people, and then that becomes more of an ethical issue. That's just what I'm thinking. It's like, yes, people want to put an end to hatred because no one wants more dead blacks on the streets. No dead African Americans on the streets. Dead bodies on the streets.

Tommy [00:14:14]:
Right. A little woke here, and. And at the same time, no one wants innocent people who are just going about their lives to be persecuted for no reason.

Eldar [00:14:25]:
There's always a reason.

Tommy [00:14:27]:
Well, it is jewish, so I should just say, like, people don't want jewish people to be persecuted. I understand that. Am I a whole. Am I entirely, like, you know, I'm. You don't think I'm, like. Like, one of these people who are, like, trying to fight against. We're active. You know, I'm not an activist fighting against anti semitism.

Tommy [00:14:52]:
There are probably. They're definitely 100% more people. More people were more capable of, like, standing up against it and have better point of view, points of view than I do. But I get it. It's. It's kind of disgusting. It's revolting to have this person who I think could be more wise. You know, I share the opinion that we could be empathetic, we could be sort of supportive of people changing, but there's a line at which many of us will stop because individuals like him can't be reasoned.

Eldar [00:15:29]:
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. You know? So I think in his case, I.

Tommy [00:15:37]:
Don'T know if, you know, reason through his own views.

Eldar [00:15:41]:
Yeah, sure, I agree. I agree with that 100%. But I also don't think it's a call for any kind of action. You know what I mean? His rhetoric. You know what I mean? You think so? There might be. I'm not sure if he's really gonna be taken seriously. Maybe by a very few, but nothing out of the ordinary, where it's, like, this huge movement that people are gonna stand up and do something bad to innocent people. Like you said.

Eldar [00:16:04]:
I don't think so. No. Especially from a person like that.

Tommy [00:16:08]:
I'll say. What was his name? You know, Jon Stewart said to Stephen Colbert on his show, he was like, there's a certain sort of flavor of discrimination when it comes to being jewish. And that's when certain what? A certain flavor of, like, hatred that you meet as being jewish. Like, when you're jewish, hatred towards you comes in a certain form. Like, you know, when you're judged by the color of your skin, for example, you call it racism, or you have particular associations in your mind with that when you're. When you're a person of color in the United States. And this makes. This is so true.

Tommy [00:16:48]:
We know we actually think of blacks and African Americans as in a western way. To us. To us, we look at blacks and African Americans or black people through the lens of slavery, which is who does?

Eldar [00:17:02]:
The jewish people.

Tommy [00:17:03]:
No, it's very eurocentric for us to look at it that way because there are many different populations of people of color.

Eldar [00:17:10]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:17:12]:
You know, someone who looks black to you may not have any roots in, you know, in being an enslaved person or an enslaved people. Africa has many diasporas, but what John Stewart said was, when it comes to jewish people being successful, it's a conspiracy. And that's its own kind of, like, uncomfortable feeling. It has its own uncomfortable feeling associated with it.

Eldar [00:17:41]:
Okay, Tom, so I'm not.

Tommy [00:17:43]:
I'm not. You know, I'm like, sometimes it does feel like your desire to move up in the world is some kind of conspiracy, and being jewish kind of makes you feel threatened. So it is kind of a threat in a way. So you feel threatened a little bit. I know what that means. I know what that feels.

Eldar [00:18:00]:
Okay, fine, fine. I'll play this shit. Okay.

Tommy [00:18:03]:
I heard what he said. I showed. I saw the chocolate show.

Eldar [00:18:06]:
Here's the question I got. Here's a question. And again, and I don't know if you remember, we did this. We did this in your house. We did this. This topic about the war, the clashes of belief system. The clashes of movements and stuff like that. Right?

Tommy [00:18:30]:
What was this, Ukraine war?

Eldar [00:18:32]:
Yes. So my question is in belief systems, belief systems that are shared by many. Is there an inherent cause for war? Do certain belief systems, certain ideologies carry an inherent cause for war? If so. If so. If so, do we have repeat offenders, meaning people starting. Doesn't matter what it is.

Tommy [00:19:01]:
It's over. The same.

Eldar [00:19:02]:
Doesn't matter who it is. Listen to what I'm telling you. I'm asking very specific question about belief. Belief systems and values, way of life, whatever the fuck it is.

Tommy [00:19:13]:
Oh, okay.

Eldar [00:19:14]:
Does it inherently have or some root cause? Yeah, that starts. Right? Has to start. That has to start inherently war?

Tommy [00:19:26]:
I couldn't answer the question. I'm not really that aware I'm not that smart in this, I think.

Mike [00:19:32]:
Yeah, I think people can, if they have certain agendas, they can be, you know, wanting to go towards war.

Tommy [00:19:38]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:19:38]:
What's meant to be is what I'm saying, Thomas, in this thing is if. If that's the case, what's meant to be will happen.

Tommy [00:19:46]:
If the case is that what.

Eldar [00:19:50]:
Whichever person.

Mike [00:19:51]:
Whatever agenda they're pushing.

Eldar [00:19:52]:
Yeah. Whatever agenda that they're pushing, whatever belief system that is that they have inherently has in itself an opposing side, the opposing side will be found. Will be found.

Tommy [00:20:05]:
So do you think that the media is used sometimes just to avoid the perception, the public. The public, how would you put it? Public aware. The public's view that there's not. That we're just bystanders in these kinds of scenarios. So if someone came in and was like, hey, can you make me a new drink? And that person was. That person touched their drink and they just happened to be black, you know what I mean? Because I don't know where their hands been. It's blatantly racist. And if we say nothing, then we become bystanders.

Tommy [00:20:42]:
So is it, is that kind of like how we work in the media? We respond because we want to speak out against, um, hatred, hate, hate speech. You know, if people started talking about Uzbeks, I'd be pretty upset.

Eldar [00:20:56]:
Who gives a fuck? Yeah. If.

Tommy [00:20:57]:
If Trump came out, he said, uzbeks are rapists and, you know, we need to be kicked out of here. I'd be upset. I'd be fucking Madden. Right?

Eldar [00:21:09]:
I'm saying that the individuals that tap into a particular set of beliefs, particular agendas, right?

Tommy [00:21:16]:
I sign up for Kanye is completely divided. I can't believe he's thought through anything that he said. Because when you're smart or when you're intellectual, you ask. So there are many people. Right? His claim was like, the whole industry is messed up because there's so many people in power and they all happen to be jewish. They always, they always happen to be jewish. So he's making these kind of subtly false claims, right? Subtly. He's inferring something, right?

Eldar [00:21:48]:
But what I'm saying is sick individual.

Tommy [00:21:49]:
If I ask. If I ask that same question myself, what's the deal? Right? Yeah, I'll really ask, how does this affect me as an artist? You know, how does this, how does. Do some people who maybe just identify as. No, Tom, you have been raised with these beliefs.

Eldar [00:22:09]:
Forget about it.

Tommy [00:22:10]:
You affect you at the, at that.

Eldar [00:22:13]:
Level where you're at, Tom, you challenge him for what he feels is the dearest to him. And that's through God. You challenge him through God. He's claiming right now, tom, that he's going around and he loves everyone, but the statements in which he makes a contradictory to that which he believes. So in order to shut him up, you have to ask if your, your kanye, you don't know nothing about love. You have nothing about God. Because if God is love, you're not preaching love. This is not it.

Eldar [00:22:42]:
Just by saying that you standing for love, you, actions are actually not.

Tommy [00:22:46]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:22:47]:
Congruence to that. It's not parallel to love.

Tommy [00:22:50]:
Yeah. You know, it's really interesting.

Eldar [00:22:52]:
I'm reading, he's confused, he's ill. That's.

Katherine [00:22:54]:
Very well said, babe.

Eldar [00:22:56]:
100%.

Mike [00:22:57]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:22:58]:
Yeah. I mean, I'm thinking right away about, like, slave era in the United States. I'm reading this novel that sent waves. It's called uncle tom's cabin.

Eldar [00:23:09]:
And you're not being an uncle, right?

Tommy [00:23:13]:
I don't. I think not. If that's, like, a negative thing. I'm not really sure. Yeah. But the book itself, it tells a story, and for stories to be interesting, they have to actually do something entertaining, and they have to continue. And the story takes place during, like, a slave. The slave period or whatever, antebellum America.

Tommy [00:23:37]:
And essentially, there are these personalities, characters in the story that, like, they have slaves, and they'll be one way or another, or they'll be traitors who are completely ignorant, and then they'll be enslaved persons who have faced, like, trauma, who, who have great masters, who don't agree with the way that politics are done or the slavery itself. And now you're suddenly in this chaotic world where you could be a good guy who's sort of a bad guy because you possess slaves and you live in a bad land, like, where this is being allowed, you know, where traders are treating people like they're. Like they're objects, like they're essentially, like they're meant to their bodies to be trade with, traded with, and where slaves can be more religiously enlightened than their masters, than people. These whites, who actually have a claim to being, like, the superior race. So the whites, they think that what they're doing is done by God. They think that God allows for it, and God wouldn't want it any other way. He would want these heathens to be treated this way.

Eldar [00:25:09]:
And that is why you use their understanding of whatever it is that they. They understand or believe. And you use logic and reason in order to combat and challenge them.

Tommy [00:25:18]:
Well, it's not easy.

Eldar [00:25:20]:
I agree with you.

Tommy [00:25:21]:
Not easy.

Eldar [00:25:22]:
I agree with you. But that is why study is important. It is important for you to study, like you said, right? So you can come into an argument, into a conversation prepared enough to have a dialogue with an individual who might be ignorant and sit them the fuck down. Unfortunately, in the case of Kanye, who's, you know, who. Who's ill, it is very hard to do because not everybody is gifted enough to be able to hold a conversation with a person who has a sickness and be able to guide them through that illness. You know that, Tom.

Tommy [00:25:52]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:25:52]:
You know that shit. That takes a lot of therapy, that takes a lot of time and commitment in order to get there. And look where you got. Right. Your example, Tom. You were living a destructive life, not doing so well, right. To yourself and to people around you. And then you got therapy, and now you've become a better person, and now you're.

Eldar [00:26:12]:
A lot of people would say that, you know, for the most part, right, when they're not calling the cops on you, that you're. You're fine to be around. You know, you ramble a little bit. You know what I'm saying? But you're. You're a pleasant person. You know, Mike can attest to that. You know, you're funny. You're.

Eldar [00:26:29]:
You have goodness in your heart. You know what I'm saying? You're kind. Yeah. And you have the traits of your mom, who's very nice lady. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And that resemblance is clear. So it takes time, Tom. Good things do take time.

Eldar [00:26:43]:
And if you lived that type of lifestyle, that type of, you know, behavior that you had, now you transform to a better person, Tom. You know, it takes time for the diamonds to form.

Katherine [00:26:56]:
There's hope for everyone.

Eldar [00:26:57]:
You know what I'm saying? So, even so, in the case of Kanye, instead of applying fear, right, we need to apply probably understanding and maybe, probably compassion, kindness and kindness to an individual of this sort. And not anger, because he's clearly confused.

Tommy [00:27:12]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:27:13]:
You know what I'm saying? And I think that he's battling his demons for a very long time. I mean, you could see it. You could see his.

Katherine [00:27:19]:
It's like using anger to fight anger. Like, it's not gonna.

Eldar [00:27:23]:
Especially fear. Don't. You know, you can't. You can't be fearful of.

Tommy [00:27:26]:
It is anger. You're right for me, it is anger.

Eldar [00:27:28]:
You see? Yeah.

Tommy [00:27:29]:
Because of all that success, I think he should be ashamed of the way he's speaking. And it's also because it's. It's, I think of him very being a confused individual.

Eldar [00:27:40]:
Mom. He's a very confused individual. You know what I'm saying? If you look at his trajectory, against.

Tommy [00:27:45]:
My own standards, that's kind of what makes me angry.

Eldar [00:27:48]:
But you probably. Maybe you. Yeah. You'll. Yeah.

Tommy [00:27:51]:
So then anybody. I can look up to you. But I'm also gonna say, like, if it doesn't, it doesn't have to be you, but I'll also say at some point, you know, I understand that there are some boundaries that sometimes I don't. You don't necessarily have to like a person. You know what I mean? You may love, you know, Joe Coy, the stand up comedian, to a certain extent, yes. You may not even love the person.

Eldar [00:28:17]:
No. What you like about certain individuals and people, we're gonna segment right into the conversation that we wanted to have. Right. If you saw his belief systems or his values on particular subject matter, and you start looking up to him like, wow, I like this individual. Let's just say he's a hard worker. He's consistent in the hard work that he's doing. Right.

Tommy [00:28:34]:
Here's the path for artists.

Eldar [00:28:36]:
Correct.

Tommy [00:28:37]:
Like this guy.

Eldar [00:28:37]:
So the talent that he does have. Right. That through hard work, that is shining through him, through music, you admire and you like. Right. As soon as that changes, he. Now we're going to segment into consistency of character. Right. You start saying, hey, wait a second.

Eldar [00:28:53]:
I'm not sure if Kanye west or any other artists out there is the same person I fell in love with, because why now they're changing. They're no longer the same hard worker that you've met. They're no longer producing the same type of talent, and they no longer have the same music.

Tommy [00:29:05]:
But how often do you think that is the case? Because to me, it doesn't seem very.

Eldar [00:29:09]:
Much all the time, Tom. Well, maybe people who are more volatile. No, there's probably not a day in.

Tommy [00:29:17]:
The near foreseeable future where the humans, bro, when I think about, for example, somebody who's, who I like to see and who I like to hear from, sure, I'll draw the line on some things, but they're not necessarily going to, you know, it really. I have to question how we're looking at this, because I think I would like to say firmly that I probably don't believe that I'll, you know, be disappointed by many of the people I look up to in the near future. I don't think about it. I don't, you know, I wouldn't even throw a name out there because I want to avoid just kind of being too fanatic about it. I think that sometimes when people do disappointing things, yeah. They can kind of turn you off as. As your role model, but how often does it happen? And that this is the scenario we're talking about.

Eldar [00:30:04]:
Tom, what I'm saying is this. Tom, again, you're not listening to me. Okay. There's a particular rhetoric that is happening right now, and the response to it is what usually. Right. We tend to get angry. We tend to have a very specific response to the things that we don't like to hear. If you tap into a tom, if you tap into that rhetoric, what happens is you then become part of the problem.

Eldar [00:30:29]:
You're one of those individuals that are fueling the same rhetoric, the same agenda. You're just on the opposing side. And what's happening is that you are on that side and they are on that side. And we have, sooner or later, we're going to have a clash. It's inevitable. And the more of yous they're going to sign up to this task, the more likely it will happen. You understand?

Tommy [00:30:54]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:30:54]:
It's a mass thing. So if it's, you know, like I said, if people buy into it, people start to give it light, people start to give it energy, it will blow up. It will happen. You know what I'm saying? The way to distinguish this nonsense is to see things for what they are. And the only way to see this particular thing is to see that the individual is actually going through something. He's actually ill. So you know what I'm saying? This is not to support what he's saying. This is not to support his condition.

Eldar [00:31:23]:
This is to understand and see his condition for what it is, and then why he's saying it. It's not him. It's the condition. He's supposed to say this stuff. He's supposed to be hurtful to himself. The people around him. Look at the turmoil in his life. Right? Everybody's turning away from him.

Eldar [00:31:40]:
His wife left him, his kids on a thing, whatever. What is it called? Visitation hours. He only gets, like, 20%. Right?

Tommy [00:31:47]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:31:47]:
You understand? People are turning away. Exactly. He has to pay. He has to pay penalties. Right. They season his accounts. This individual is under immense amount of stress. Immense amount of stress.

Eldar [00:31:59]:
It's. It's a. It's a rat. Cornered rat. It's gonna chew through the walls. It has to. She's chewing through the walls.

Tommy [00:32:07]:
Oh, God. That's.

Eldar [00:32:09]:
You understand?

Tommy [00:32:10]:
Horrifying picture.

Eldar [00:32:11]:
Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying, Tom? So if you. For you, at least, at least as a, as, since I'm your friend, my advice for you, don't tap into that. You'll be part of it. What I mean by this is don't be scared and don't, don't be. Don't be scared and don't be angry. Those are the two things.

Tommy [00:32:32]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:32:33]:
You tap into it.

Tommy [00:32:34]:
I then you promote recall a point in time where I had to tell myself something similar to that.

Eldar [00:32:38]:
You know, there's plenty of Jews out there right now, pissed off. There's plenty of jews out there that are scared. You know what I'm saying? That is what is gonna cause that rift that I told you about between two opposite sides. They're gonna, sooner or later, will clash.

Tommy [00:32:52]:
See, here's the thing. I mean, there's part of me that says I wanna not, like, even have any of this and turn away, but I didn't choose that. There's a three hour interview that went down between this guy, Lex Friedman, the guy with the tie, and him. So he sat him down, and they had a three hour long interview. And I listened to it out of curiosity, without judgment, openly. Just wanted to hear what he had to say.

Eldar [00:33:18]:
Yeah, you just rambled.

Tommy [00:33:19]:
I did that. I watched the whole thing. I watched all three, and I sat through it. And to be honest, I didn't really get much out of it. What I did get was what I already spoke. And I think that for me, as a person who loves to learn, I did take that side. The side that you mentioned that I agree. No, neither the one side or the other, but the neutral point of view that accounts for the idea that people do have things go wrong with them.

Eldar [00:33:58]:
But if you survey the room, Tom, and ask what we feel about the type of energy that you brought in today regarding this topic, really, it's clearly going to be seen that you're either scared. What are you angry?

Tommy [00:34:13]:
Oh, wait. Hold on 1 second. I drew something else from what you said. Like, if I. If I were to survey the room and ask what, what others feel.

Eldar [00:34:24]:
Yeah, we surveyed the room right now.

Tommy [00:34:26]:
Then it'd be about what you guys feel about what he said. Yeah, that makes sense, because I usually don't talk about this kind of stuff. I usually don't. I kind of. I guess I keep a private sense of my life, you know, meaning I'm not. I'm not very open about being jewish, and I'm not very religious at all. So, I mean, to a certain extent, I'm not. Yeah.

Mike [00:34:50]:
But I don't want to say I'm not being jewish. Define you?

Tommy [00:34:52]:
Yeah, to some extent does. To some extent it does, you know?

Eldar [00:34:56]:
But, yeah, he's tapped in.

Mike [00:34:59]:
He's tapped in.

Tommy [00:35:00]:
Well, of course, because I'm. I'm someone who wants. I'll say straight up, I want to share love in this world, and I want to teach wisdom and. No, hold on. Let me finish it. You know, and having good sense and knowing that I'm surrounded by, like, let's just say then some situations, I feel that there could be people who could be harmed by these kinds of scenarios, these kinds of situations, okay. You know, these events.

Eldar [00:35:28]:
Okay.

Tommy [00:35:29]:
And there are people who can be nurtured by these kinds of events. So I think that you can be either on the side of being wise and seeing through it and helping one another and learning something else. I guess Kanye is still feeding into the world of, like, commercial interests and stuff and materialism or, you know, maybe. Maybe his retreat to God is what, to him, seemed most rational for the person who he thinks people perceives.

Eldar [00:36:01]:
He is.

Tommy [00:36:01]:
I'm not sure, but I do like clarity. I do like learning and kind of like, sort of stepping away from something and allowing it to sort of flourish so that I can learn from it. You know? I think, like, life is hard enough, but once you start saying things that are harmful towards people, doesn't matter of what creed or what race or whatever, it's not my point of view. It's already. It already goes against my own tenets, like, my own principles.

Eldar [00:36:30]:
Tom. Then you have to see for what it is. Tom.

Tommy [00:36:33]:
Yeah. And I.

Eldar [00:36:33]:
Anybody who's doing some kind of hateful nonsense, it's probably under the influence of a particular illness. Yes or no. They're inflicted by a particular pain.

Tommy [00:36:45]:
Yeah. And they all come in, like, different shapes and sizes. Yeah.

Eldar [00:36:49]:
Correct. Correct.

Tommy [00:36:50]:
And I mean that to be completely. It doesn't have to be free of whatever constraints.

Eldar [00:36:55]:
Have to be jewish. It's not black. It's not to be asian, anything. It's. It's an ongoing circle. You know what I'm saying? Ongoing circle of hate just going around. Today's Jewish, tomorrow it's Afghani. Tomorrow's asian.

Eldar [00:37:09]:
Tomorrow's black. Next day is this. Next day's that.

Tommy [00:37:12]:
So here's.

Eldar [00:37:12]:
Are we just continuing the same nonsense? And the thing is, it's just, it's like a. It's like a clouds that constantly go, and people just tap into different clouds. They're always here.

Tommy [00:37:22]:
What do we do, though, Eldar, in Mike, societies where maybe these kinds of, um, say, like, this manner of speech, right, is abundant, or it's very. It's present, it's heard, and it places constraints in some form or some manner on the society that we live in. Like, I think, like, think. Think about someone you look up to. Like, I want to become a filmmaker. There are some, some things that I appreciate and people who I look up to because of that desire, right? And if, if my world was limited, right? And it said, like, people like, you cannot do what you wish to do, how, how would it feel like, for that speech that he's using to make that the world that we live in for anybody, anyone who believes that they can do something and want to do something, how can? My question is, like, like the world being censored in a way which it's not. We live in a country that allows for free speech. But in a way, I believe that the things that he said.

Tommy [00:38:43]:
Not, let's just, let's take all the context out. The things that he said or things that people who are in power say that have the potential to have great influence, that can turn elections or whatever, let's say, can make you see the world differently for whatever reason. You know how Descartes said, I'm taking all my beliefs and I'm completely redoing them? I'm saying you're challenging them. I'm challenging them. Right. Okay, so, like, I believe that the things that you say in that manner or whatever comes out of your mouth has that potential of creating that block. It's not for everybody to care about this kind of, like, situation. To say, okay, like, this condition is unacceptable.

Tommy [00:39:29]:
But leaders do that. They stand up and they speak out against that kind of, that kind of, like, attitude or that kind of whatever.

Eldar [00:39:39]:
Like, Tom, what is your question?

Tommy [00:39:41]:
I'm saying who's affected? You're saying that there aren't many people affected.

Eldar [00:39:46]:
No. The individuals that are part of it, and they share the same belief system that tap into it. Like I said, based on those feelings and whatever they have, the reasons they're affected, and they're supposed to be affected. Tom. They're supposed to be affected. Ask if Micah is affected. You're a rat's ass. You know why?

Tommy [00:40:04]:
I.

Eldar [00:40:04]:
Because he has a life to live. He has a life to live. He has a very specific goal in mind right now, and he's going after it. Don't give a fuck what's out there for what he's empowered himself to say, you know, what? Who gives a fuck? I have my own problems to take care of, to solve, but the motherfuckers that are over there tapping in, Tom, it's inevitable for the shit to hit the fan, bro.

Mike [00:40:26]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:40:27]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:40:27]:
It's inevitable tomorrow. And it will. Yeah, Tom, it will.

Tommy [00:40:31]:
That's wild.

Eldar [00:40:31]:
Ukraine and Russia, it did. Don't want to call it genocide. He's killing ukrainian people. He's bombing civilians. That's not genocide.

Tommy [00:40:43]:
How do we, how do we, you understand, how do we actually characterize, like, what people tapped in what Kanye's doing? They tapped in.

Eldar [00:40:51]:
Who?

Tommy [00:40:52]:
I mean, like, what, what exactly could Kanye be doing?

Eldar [00:40:55]:
Like, what can happen from it? Yeah, what can happen from it? I'm not sure if a lot of bipolar individuals can tap into the home, other bipolar individual stuff. I'm gonna tell you that right now. I'm not sure. I didn't think about this long enough. Right. People with enough sense will not have the ability to tap into whatever it is spewing. Understand? Okay. Impossible.

Eldar [00:41:20]:
A rational mind, a thinking mind, a decently thinking mind that can do decent logic will not be able to tap into a bipolar mind. However, we do have a lot of bipolar individuals out there, and I'm not sure if bipolar with bipolar can, can fuck like that. And if they do, it's going to be very small amount and they're going to be very, very confused. So what, what I'm predicting, nothing's going to come out. Out of it. Yeah. Who's more dangerous? What if more dangerous? The likes of Trump.

Tommy [00:41:51]:
Oh, I think also the more who can't see through it.

Eldar [00:41:56]:
You know what I'm saying?

Tommy [00:41:56]:
See what?

Eldar [00:41:57]:
Yeah, what it is. The individuals I have the ability.

Tommy [00:41:59]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:42:00]:
The individuals I have the ability to mask racism, prejudice, hate through justification of particular agendas. Those are the dangerous ones, not the.

Mike [00:42:11]:
Kanye's, bro, Kanye has his cards out. Like, the cards are out.

Eldar [00:42:15]:
Yeah, the kicks are dangerous people.

Mike [00:42:16]:
The one who are playing on your team but actually playing that.

Eldar [00:42:20]:
Hey, we're gonna have a good time and I'm gonna buy you popcorn, but I'm gonna grab you by the pussy when you're not looking.

Tommy [00:42:27]:
Wait, does that Kanye party, the trump party?

Eldar [00:42:29]:
I'm just telling you, that's, you know what I'm saying? You gotta be very careful. The one individuals that are.

Tommy [00:42:35]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:42:35]:
That are deliberately trying to mask certain things. And we already have history of that kind of shit, you know, sir, we're not gonna be afraid of Biden, bro. Biden is mentally ill, too. You know what I'm saying. You can see it. He's old. You know what I mean? He's spewing a lot of stuff. There's not.

Eldar [00:42:49]:
Not a real big threat.

Tommy [00:42:51]:
Hmm.

Eldar [00:42:52]:
He's not really thinking.

Tommy [00:42:53]:
I wouldn't even say that's meant.

Eldar [00:42:54]:
You know what I'm saying?

Tommy [00:42:55]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:42:55]:
He's. He's being puppeteered by individuals who have, you know, particular intentions or whatever, but it's decent. It's not bad. You know what I mean?

Tommy [00:43:02]:
Is this, like, the most political that podcast has ever gotten?

Eldar [00:43:04]:
Probably, yeah. But because of you, Tom.

Tommy [00:43:07]:
Well, okay, so you know what? I'll take that. Because in a way, that's kind of what I wish to do, and I wish. I wish to do it the best. And I. In scenarios when I really need help, I come to you guys and people who can understand me and can sort of tell me things straight, but I do want to actually help dispel certain fears, because fear also leads to that hatred, I think.

Eldar [00:43:32]:
Well, then make sure you share this podcast when it's out on Friday.

Tommy [00:43:35]:
That sounds good.

Mike [00:43:36]:
Yeah. One thing.

Tommy [00:43:39]:
I don't know who it is. Who cares about these things, but maybe people privately feel these things and they believe in some side of kindness.

Eldar [00:43:46]:
But like I said, tom, you are an individual who is a creator and an artist. You are bound by these shackles of fear and doubt forever. You're constantly walking around in the. In the. In the shadows of paranoia, Tom. And because of that, you can't get shit done. So start getting shit done by removing your paranoia.

Tommy [00:44:07]:
All right.

Eldar [00:44:09]:
Now, appreciate how this guy is snoring.

Tommy [00:44:11]:
On top of arch is fast asleep. Unbelievable.

Eldar [00:44:13]:
Yeah. Mike, you were saying?

Mike [00:44:14]:
I was gonna say one thing. I think that, you know, we always say a lot in a very joking manner, is that Mickey Mantle is not gonna pay a rent.

Eldar [00:44:25]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:44:25]:
You know?

Tommy [00:44:25]:
Why is that?

Eldar [00:44:26]:
I've heard Mickey Mantle, LeBron James, Kyrie Irving, those guys, they're not gonna pay your rent. That makes fun about you.

Mike [00:44:34]:
They don't care about you, and why.

Eldar [00:44:36]:
Should you care about them? Yeah. And this is the truth.

Mike [00:44:39]:
The thing is, you are an individual, and you have your.

Eldar [00:44:42]:
Your own world.

Tommy [00:44:43]:
No, I don't. But in a way, you know, in a way, in my own fucked up kind of way, I feel like I'm competing with Kanye.

Eldar [00:44:49]:
Really?

Tommy [00:44:49]:
Yes. Yes. Because. Because I think I'm a better person to shape minds than he is. That's why I feel like I'm competing with him.

Eldar [00:44:57]:
Yeah, Tom, but it would be most dangerous thing if you ever became popular, Tom. You lose your shit, too. Get about us. No.

Tommy [00:45:04]:
Are you crazy?

Eldar [00:45:05]:
And then what's gonna happen? You're gonna be spewing the same nonsense.

Tommy [00:45:08]:
Yeah, listen, guys, you guys helped me get there, and I will show you riches like you've never seen.

Eldar [00:45:17]:
Exactly what I just said.

Tommy [00:45:18]:
Yeah, look, and arch confirmed it. He's like, listen to the guy. Listen to him.

Mike [00:45:23]:
Yeah. The thing is, when you. When you make the choice, you know, this, like, the make your mantle thing, when you make a choice that somebody actually has any sort of effect on your life and outcome of it, and you believe that that person can positively affect it, that the project trajectory of your life, you take away so much power from yourself, you know? Like, that's why when I was young kid, I was like, yo, Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. But when I grew up and I started thinking, I was like, yo, Michael Jordan. Just a basketball player. All these guys look up to.

Eldar [00:45:55]:
We look up there for a craft.

Mike [00:45:56]:
But that's where it ends.

Eldar [00:45:58]:
That's right.

Mike [00:45:58]:
You know, I don't care about anything else that he does in his life because I don't know him enough to make a call whether he's a good person or not. I have to worry about myself whether I'm doing a good thing or not, you know?

Tommy [00:46:10]:
Hmm.

Mike [00:46:12]:
And Kanye west can't affect that, and Mickey Mandel can affect that. And nor LeBron James or Michael Jordan. I can. I have the control or choice how I'm gonna live my life outside of what's happening in the world. I have to focus on my life and the choices I make and decisions I make, you know? And that's the only thing I can control, and that's the only thing I would like to focus on.

Eldar [00:46:35]:
Yeah. And I think that that makes you the celebrity. Yeah. That makes you the celebrity that takes away the power and the nonsense that we've. We've. We've put on those individuals. We shine their light by being, what, mass producers of their fame. We're the ones producing their fame.

Eldar [00:46:53]:
Collectively. Collectively. Individually, Dane. Shit. You understand? They ain't shit. They got nothing internally, inherently, that is gonna say, oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? What does LeBron James did? Scored 100 points. Okay.

Eldar [00:47:13]:
Dunked a bunch of people. Okay, bro, you take a basketball and you put it inside the net. I do this, too. I like doing this, but that's it. Outside of that realm. That'll make me no better person. I'm actually a rat on the basketball court, bro. You know what I'm saying? Because I tap into competition and I can become a very bad person amidst that game of basketball.

Eldar [00:47:36]:
You know what I'm saying?

Tommy [00:47:37]:
How do you draw the connection between LeBron and you? I don't get it.

Eldar [00:47:41]:
I'm just saying that he's playing basketball. I can also do this. I also play basketball. There's nothing. Nothing special about it. I am not. Not Elon Musk, for example. I can't just go and.

Eldar [00:47:52]:
And create an engineer, a fucking motor that's going to revolutionize the world.

Mike [00:47:57]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:47:58]:
The fuck is LeBron James, bro? You know what I'm saying? Is Kanye west.

Mike [00:48:03]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:48:04]:
To tell us anything, I think even.

Tommy [00:48:07]:
With Elon Musk, you know what I mean?

Eldar [00:48:08]:
But unfortunately, unfortunately, a lot of people tap into that whole energy shit. And those individuals, Tom, right. I'm gonna tell you right now, they supposed to fight each other. The Celtics versus the Knicks, the White Sox versus the Red Sox. You know what I mean? And the boss, whatever it is. You know what I mean? The rabbit. That shit supposed to happen. It's a collective thing, Tom.

Tommy [00:48:30]:
It definitely happens in muscle, too.

Eldar [00:48:33]:
Yes, yes.

Tommy [00:48:35]:
On levels we can't assume.

Eldar [00:48:37]:
Exactly, but that's the problem.

Mike [00:48:39]:
That's the problem that people so much tapped into other people, they never tapped into themselves.

Eldar [00:48:44]:
We're not our own celebrities, which we're supposed to be talking because that's how you feel. You're like, yo, make me famous and make me rich. Because you have some.

Tommy [00:48:51]:
Don't feel that way.

Eldar [00:48:52]:
No, you do, but you like, yo, I have. You have some.

Tommy [00:48:54]:
No, no, I don't.

Eldar [00:48:55]:
I don't. I don't.

Tommy [00:48:56]:
I don't. It's kind of like this.

Eldar [00:48:57]:
It's kind of like, um, when you're a complete loser. So it's kind of like if you woke up, why?

Tommy [00:49:04]:
And everyone decided not to wipe their ass that morning and it smelled like shit. Okay. That's what I'm talking about.

Eldar [00:49:11]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:49:11]:
It's like people woke up stupid one day, and that's kind of what makes me a little bit uneasy. That makes. I don't care about fame. I really don't. I really care about feeling like, if.

Eldar [00:49:22]:
Those individuals want to go to sleep, don't go to sleep.

Tommy [00:49:24]:
I feel. I feel like. I feel like I have the right to just feel healthy and normal and good.

Eldar [00:49:30]:
So do it right.

Tommy [00:49:31]:
Do it and not be persecuted.

Eldar [00:49:33]:
Do it.

Tommy [00:49:33]:
I have that right.

Eldar [00:49:34]:
Where are you persecuted, bro?

Mike [00:49:35]:
You live in New Jersey. You live in jew heaven, bro. We're in New Jersey.

Eldar [00:49:39]:
New York.

Tommy [00:49:42]:
This is why I need you guys to check me on this shit.

Eldar [00:49:44]:
Come on.

Tommy [00:49:45]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:49:45]:
Jew heaven, bro.

Tommy [00:49:46]:
Yeah. I am Jew.

Mike [00:49:48]:
Everything is jewish over here, bro. There's no persecution.

Eldar [00:49:52]:
The day that we all liberate ourselves, Tom, is when everybody becomes jew. Everybody in this world. Everybody.

Tommy [00:49:58]:
What, for Kanye's sake? No, I don't get it.

Eldar [00:50:01]:
For the people's sake. That means every. When everybody becomes black, when everybody becomes white, everybody becomes latin. You understand? We need to just become one. If. I'm so cold.

Tommy [00:50:12]:
You said that as an artist or a creator or a creative kind of way. Yes, I agree with you.

Eldar [00:50:16]:
Because I'm telling you, because that's what I believe. What I'm saying, tommy, that we need to share a specific value system.

Tommy [00:50:24]:
I'm not gonna wake up and be. I'm never gonna wake up and be black, but I can.

Eldar [00:50:28]:
You're not understanding what I'm saying, tom.

Tommy [00:50:29]:
But I can understand some things that contribute to a culture that many people don't realize.

Eldar [00:50:35]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:50:35]:
They don't actually appreciate. So, yes, in a way, I feel like I am becoming like, more of, like, a brother to other people. And I don't mean that as a pun. I don't mean it to be facetious. Be ready to die for being funny.

Eldar [00:50:48]:
Then be ready to die for it. Then be ready to die for it.

Tommy [00:50:51]:
Hold on 1 second. I'm not going to worry about anything.

Eldar [00:50:55]:
No, I know, but be ready to die for your body.

Tommy [00:50:57]:
I'm being my own person who I feel that proud of. You know, I.

Eldar [00:51:02]:
That's it. Stick by it.

Tommy [00:51:03]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:51:03]:
That's your courage.

Tommy [00:51:04]:
Yeah. That's absolutely right. Yeah.

Eldar [00:51:06]:
You know what I'm saying? So stand behind that, and that's it. And be fucking proud of it, because you're a good person, a good brother, a good son, or whatever it is.

Tommy [00:51:13]:
Right.

Eldar [00:51:14]:
So none of this kind of west bullshit. Whatever's going on in the world is gonna touch you. That's it. And if it does, so what, you know.

Tommy [00:51:23]:
Yeah. You know, I find, what I find really interesting is that, like, we, in a sense, like, we were sort of resisting what a lot of people are already doing today, and not necessarily with just Kanye, but people put, like, their analysis to things that they're asked to put their analysis to. So it's like we try to, like.

Mike [00:51:42]:
Who'S asking for that now?

Eldar [00:51:43]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:51:44]:
Why do we.

Mike [00:51:45]:
Nobody's actually asking you.

Eldar [00:51:46]:
They're tricking you. Exactly.

Mike [00:51:48]:
Or, you know.

Eldar [00:51:48]:
Well, you are tricking.

Tommy [00:51:49]:
Isn't that the origin of, like, having this conversation? Like, when someone, one person asked, like, what do you think about this thing?

Eldar [00:51:56]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:51:56]:
Like, is that. That's kind of normal, right? It's normal.

Eldar [00:51:59]:
It is normal. But unfortunately, a lot of people don't have the fucking right opinion or have anything to say. Yeah, sure, you have your opinion. Doesn't mean you're right. Fuck off. With all the nonsense that people are spewing out there. They don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Most individuals have no right opinion.

Eldar [00:52:13]:
No, most individuals didn't sit down and actually think about the fucking problem at hand. Nobody took the time, Tom. Nobody takes the fucking time.

Katherine [00:52:22]:
I think what happens is just you hear someone's words and then you're triggered by those words.

Eldar [00:52:27]:
That's right.

Katherine [00:52:27]:
And then you just.

Eldar [00:52:30]:
That is correct. Not really 100%, but that goes.

Mike [00:52:34]:
That's such a deeper thing.

Eldar [00:52:35]:
And that is why that right there, that system that I talked to you about, whoever's following that system, Tom, they're bound to fucking die.

Tommy [00:52:42]:
Mm hmm.

Eldar [00:52:44]:
Probably in a gruesome way. That's it. Right? I mean, why? Because that's what it leads to. That fucking ignorant behavior, that ignorant emotion, that ignorant feeling. All that shit is bottled up and then it comes out in a fight war. I told you that if people tap in, they bound to fucking fight. There's gonna be an opposing side. Inherently.

Tommy [00:53:06]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:53:06]:
Inherently it carries war. That's why I asked, posed that question. Do certain belief systems inherently carry war in them?

Tommy [00:53:19]:
Okay.

Eldar [00:53:19]:
Like, because they're there. Opposites. If I don't care what it is, I told you it's not white, black, so jewish. The way you see whoever it is.

Tommy [00:53:27]:
The way you explain that you. That you. The fix for this right is to look. See it for what it is.

Eldar [00:53:36]:
Yes.

Tommy [00:53:37]:
So that it can blow over. So.

Eldar [00:53:38]:
Or, well, at least not affect you, Tom. As long as it doesn't affect you.

Tommy [00:53:42]:
Then you're doing the work.

Eldar [00:53:43]:
That's right.

Tommy [00:53:44]:
Right.

Eldar [00:53:44]:
That's number one.

Tommy [00:53:45]:
Okay. So.

Eldar [00:53:46]:
And it disappears. You understand that energy is no longer given. Yeah. So you're no longer transferring it to Katherine, to Mike, who have to then have a conversation about it or dispel it or fight it. You know what I'm saying? Or go through their emotions and feelings and shit like that. We put a stop to it, Tom. There's no conversation. And if you are having a conversation, Tom, what's going to happen is, Tom, your mental illness will be pronounced.

Eldar [00:54:09]:
You're talking to yourself, bro.

Tommy [00:54:10]:
There's nobody talk to anyone about.

Eldar [00:54:13]:
No, Tom. I'm making examples.

Tommy [00:54:15]:
I see, but you're saying you.

Eldar [00:54:16]:
What I'm saying is that if you bringing some nonsense to us and Kathryn says, I ain't fucking with you. Mike said, I ain't fucking with you. And I say, I ain't fucking with you. You know what you're doing if you carrying on, Tom? You have a mental illness. Ain't nobody listening. That's it. And you're stuck. Sooner or later, my two or later time, soon or later, what happens is you're gonna stop talking.

Tommy [00:54:37]:
Right. Right. Like I said, I give, but because.

Eldar [00:54:39]:
Motherfuckers are still listening to this nonsense. This bullshit is social media stuff. Kanye west, he's still talking.

Tommy [00:54:46]:
That's it.

Eldar [00:54:47]:
He knows this. Daddy knows, dad. He knows.

Tommy [00:54:50]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:54:51]:
He is a manipulator. Yeah. He's a sick fuck. Yeah. Unfortunately for him.

Katherine [00:54:56]:
Do you think he would still be cracking on with this if no one was listening?

Eldar [00:55:01]:
The good thing is, like I said, the good thing is that he's. He's trapped himself. The good thing is he's talking about God and love. By definition. Whoever is going to have a real conversation with him, going to challenge him on those points, and he's not going to be able to answer them. He's hiding behind God, in love right now.

Katherine [00:55:17]:
Whatever he answers will just prove to correct most people that he's ill.

Tommy [00:55:22]:
He's ill. Is this, do you think, in your opinion, a temporary phase of his where he says, like, this is my deal right now? Or do you think he's, like, he's gonna now say he's sick?

Mike [00:55:34]:
He's sick right now?

Eldar [00:55:36]:
He's gonna play that card, too. He's gonna go and apologize soon and say, hey, I was one of. Under my episodes and my spells, I didn't take medication. And I is going to clearly, probably reiterate everything that he's, you know, supposed to and say it in a cohesive way where people like, oh, okay, okay, we'll forgive him and that's it. But he'll lean on his sickness, probably his illness.

Tommy [00:55:55]:
I gotta ask you this. People who, like, do you think that anyone who's spoken about the topic taps in the like, I'm particularly thinking.

Eldar [00:56:08]:
Mmm.

Tommy [00:56:10]:
Dave Chappelle did a little stand up.

Eldar [00:56:12]:
Yeah. Bit.

Tommy [00:56:13]:
Right. We talked about some. He mentioned.

Eldar [00:56:16]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:56:16]:
Are there some things too big to ignore?

Eldar [00:56:19]:
Is that.

Tommy [00:56:20]:
Is that how it is? Is it too big to ignore? Is that why he mentioned him in his. In his set? Or is that just fair ground?

Eldar [00:56:26]:
You gotta understand, though, like, we're talking about it right now, and probably because we're talking about it, maybe more people will listen for example, right. We're not that popular, you know, but if I wrote Kanye west is an idiot on this podcast, I'll probably give more clicks.

Tommy [00:56:39]:
Probably.

Eldar [00:56:40]:
They're riding the coattails as well. You understand? I understand there's a fucking hick somewhere right now in Texas or some other midtown Midwest shit that is talking crazy, that is promoting Hitler, that is doing all this stuff. Nobody's talking about him because he's a nobody. But Kanye isn't somebody. He does have followers. He does have a brand. So therefore, to rise what people tap into. Yeah, yeah, we're writing his coattails.

Eldar [00:57:06]:
For example, right now, I can promote this podcast based on, because we're talking about him. More clicks is gonna be gone from that. So, yeah, the Dave Chappelle's or whoever else, yeah, they're gonna get more clicking.

Mike [00:57:16]:
It, but he might be Jo. Making fun of it.

Eldar [00:57:19]:
Yeah, yeah.

Mike [00:57:20]:
Comedian. He's, he's not.

Eldar [00:57:23]:
Yeah. He's gonna talk shit about the news, though, the most, you know, the crazy shit happening.

Mike [00:57:28]:
People are doing crazy stuff. He was making a lot of jokes.

Tommy [00:57:31]:
I think. I think we also, you know, here's the thing. I think we also have to, like, practice what we preach when we talk about, like, whatever it is.

Eldar [00:57:38]:
Even the same energy. See, like, keeping consistent care.

Tommy [00:57:41]:
Because if I'm gonna do the work like we said and, like, see it for what it is. And Tom, like, always abandoning, step away from.

Eldar [00:57:51]:
Always jumping ship, Tom. Jumping ship, Tom. Yeah. You're jumping ship, Tom.

Tommy [00:57:57]:
Oh, hold on. If I. If I am gonna step away from it, I think. I think that's something that's important is that I've acknowledged it in my own way, either personally or with friends. Like, I talked about it, asked about it, and I accepted the outcome of that conversation because I believe still in the things that I believe in. It's. It's not enough for me to say, like, oh, he's crazy, and, you know, that's nonsense. I mean, actually, maybe that is enough.

Tommy [00:58:25]:
He's crazy and that's nuns. But sometimes.

Eldar [00:58:27]:
Well, no, look, the way I see it now, I can have a very extensive conversation about it because I can think about it. But he's, he's not helping my cause, bro. So therefore, I will just, I'll just, yeah, blanket and say, yo, he's crazy, and that's nonsense. Unless he knocks on my door and says, yo, let's talk about it. And then I'll talk about it. You know what I'm saying? Like, fine, but right now, like, yeah, he's crazy. This is nonsense. Like, I got no time for this, bro.

Eldar [00:58:53]:
Mike has no time for this. Catherine has no time for this. Why? Because they're artists. They're painting your own picture right now.

Katherine [00:58:59]:
It doesn't. Like. It doesn't do anything for me in my daily life or in my world. Like, what. What some celebrity is saying is irrelevant to me. You know, like, I remember a few years back when, you know, if we take it back to Trump where he was, I'm, you know, I'm latina, and he's, you know, saying these degrading things about Latinos and.

Eldar [00:59:22]:
And, you know, build a wall and all that shit.

Katherine [00:59:24]:
He's running for president. All these people are looking up to him. People are going to hear this, and, like, you know what? He must be right. He must know what he's saying. And, like, people are going to start.

Tommy [00:59:34]:
Believing scenarios like this. Eldar, I asked, what's the cost of my ignorance? You see what I'm saying?

Eldar [00:59:40]:
Yeah.

Tommy [00:59:41]:
Can't ask that question, Tom.

Eldar [00:59:43]:
Your time, your well being. And Kathryn just explained to you she had a same example when Trump was spewing his nonsense about the wall and banning all the immigrants. These are her people. You understand? And she felt a certain type of way until I had to unplug her and say, yo, chillow, this is a fucking sick bastard. He's a sick bastard, and I'm laughing at him. He's a clown. He's a clown. He's an orange clown.

Eldar [01:00:09]:
You know what I'm saying?

Tommy [01:00:10]:
So you really see it for what it is.

Eldar [01:00:12]:
You have to, tom.

Katherine [01:00:14]:
You have to, or you're gonna go.

Eldar [01:00:16]:
On the roller coaster of what?

Katherine [01:00:19]:
Catherine's gonna go on the roller coaster for what guy? For a guy that doesn't know who you are, doesn't care about you, and doesn't pay your rent.

Eldar [01:00:25]:
Like, he don't give a fuck about you, bro.

Katherine [01:00:27]:
He doesn't care. Why should I care, you know? Like, I'm still gonna be Katherine, and I'm still gonna be living my life and trying to do the best that I can so I could live in my own.

Eldar [01:00:36]:
So she had to unplug her.

Katherine [01:00:37]:
I had to. It took me time because I was very emotionally invested. And then I started seeing how some of my friends stopped talking to each other. I started seeing how politics started coming between friendships, and I was like, wait a second.

Eldar [01:00:51]:
They tapped in war. You heard that. They had a chat for years, close chat of friends. After that, that rhetoric started happening and started touching them. They took sides. They created a war. Yeah, and they stopped.

Katherine [01:01:08]:
And guess what? That shot doesn't exist.

Eldar [01:01:09]:
That Chad does not exist anymore.

Katherine [01:01:11]:
We don't hang out.

Eldar [01:01:11]:
He separated, right?

Katherine [01:01:13]:
He separated people.

Eldar [01:01:14]:
He was ignorant. No, but, but I'm gonna tell you right now, he didn't do it. I'm, it's almost that it happened. They did it. What was in their heart came out. They tapped in into the nonsense. And that's why I. They got what they deserve.

Katherine [01:01:27]:
And you know what comes from this ignorance? You know, these people that, that say, like, oh, I can't be friends, or I can't, I can't associate people with people who, who support Trump. Are you kidding me? Half of my neighbors, which I respect and I get along with, we're not great friends, but we're neighborly, are probably Trump supporters. It's none of my business. I don't care. We can be neighborly, we can be friendly, and we can continue living our lives without plaguing ourselves with the thoughts of, like, oh, I wonder who, like, no, I didn't know. It doesn't matter to me because we.

Eldar [01:02:00]:
Go, we're not going, we're not going to hang out with our neighbors because they're Trump supporters. We're going to hang out with them because they're our neighbors in there.

Katherine [01:02:09]:
They're nice, and we just want to share a good time like they happen to have.

Eldar [01:02:13]:
They have exactly what, what, you know, doesn't hold me away from hanging out with them, chilling on their boat, sharing some other memories and stuff. So what? You know what I'm saying? And until we plug ourselves into, like I said, the truth, we will continue to be separated. You're jew, you're Muslim, he's black, he's white, and all this other nonsense, until we start talking ideologies and ideas and truths that's going to unite us, we will never be together, Tom. We will always be separated, and there will always be war. It's a normal phenomenon. You understand? It's very normal. And unfortunately, too, or fortunately, some of the fuckers will die in the midst of it. That's just what it is.

Eldar [01:03:01]:
And, Tom, despite of the fact that all this shit is happening, Tom, I personally think maybe as a philosopher or, you know, whoever I am, let the.

Tommy [01:03:11]:
Record note that Eldar is claiming to be a philosopher.

Eldar [01:03:13]:
No, I'm not. Yeah. Like, a person who likes to talk about this stuff, right now is a time to think for everybody because of these, the Kanye Wests, the trumps, the whatever, everybody somehow having a conversation, Tom, and something tells me that within those conversations, the yelling, the screaming, the punching, the fighting, whatever, whatever, truth will sometimes prevail. And that's a good thing. Truth will come out, Tom. Truth will silence people and calm them the fuck down.

Tommy [01:03:46]:
Do you think this is a philosopher's job in a way?

Eldar [01:03:49]:
To do what?

Tommy [01:03:50]:
Discover this truth?

Eldar [01:03:52]:
Dispel false. Yeah. Yeah, it is.

Mike [01:03:55]:
I think that's the number one job. Dispel false things about yourself.

Eldar [01:03:59]:
Yeah.

Tommy [01:04:00]:
Did we get very far off topic today?

Eldar [01:04:02]:
No, I mean, you're on topic, Tom. You're on topic. Now, you see, Tom, you came in here with a set of fears, anger and all this other stuff. And then you have to ask yourself, how are you leaving? Do you feel the same way? Are you leaving in a different form?

Tommy [01:04:18]:
I'll say. I'll say that talking about it really opened up. A bag can work. And it wasn't even good.

Eldar [01:04:27]:
You see, you were closed minded and now you open minded, which is great. Which is great. Now you're gonna go out there, hopefully be more empowered to be able to live with more choices, Tom, if you want to still plug in, plug in, Tom, no problem. Come next week, we'll pull you out again and again and again if you want, you know what I'm saying? So you can feel better. Because that's, that's what we do. I mean, that. That's our goal, Tom. Our goal here is to make you feel better.

Eldar [01:04:52]:
Why? Because it's the right thing to do. Number one is because we also trying to figure out what the fuck is this, all this is going on and what the truth is about the world is. And now, just like you're trying to figure it out, we're trying to figure out too. Why? Because we're fucking addicted to wanting to feel good. That's it. We want to be happy just like you, just like the rest of the world, except they're just talking about some nonsense. You know what I mean? But they're leading there slowly. They're going there through these types of conversations.

Eldar [01:05:21]:
So even though, as polarizing his views are, he's triggering people and triggering people needs to be triggered. The people needs to be triggered so they can have a conversation.

Mike [01:05:31]:
Yeah, you don't really know the, I guess, how far you pull out of the thing and how many people you put, maybe not even pull in, but like, you kind of like it. I'll like, put light on there.

Eldar [01:05:45]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:05:46]:
You know, ignorance, if you want to call it their sickness or whatever. But you can also save a lot of people by saying crazy shit because then you force people to think. Some people, like, you know, may have the conversations that we're having and saying, like, yo, you know, like, want to buy into this bullshit anymore?

Eldar [01:06:00]:
Yeah. Yo, the more we talk about this type of shit, the more you find out that in every single individual, there's fucking unlimited amount of magic and potential that we can tap into. Unlimited? Yeah.

Tommy [01:06:13]:
You said with every single person that we want.

Eldar [01:06:16]:
If we. If we able to have a conversation with every single person, this type of conversation, we'll find out that this is 100% true. I think every individual has unlimited amount of magic and potential in them. Unlimited. They just haven't discovered yet. Through philosophy, you get closer and closer to finding that magic. And when you do, yeah, you fall in love with yourself. You fall in love, and then you in turn fall in love with the world.

Eldar [01:06:43]:
And then you no longer are being oppressed by the world or changed by the world or influenced by the world. You start influencing the world. You start creating magic. You start creating actual art and reality, and therefore, you start feeling great. The shit that around you is like, holy shit, people are changing around you. People are more happy. You know what I'm saying? Whatever it is you're creating, you're creating art, Tom, creating more beautiful things. And they make people smile.

Eldar [01:07:08]:
That's your shit I'm working on. My garden makes me and Archie and Katherine smile. All my friends. Mike's working on his business, you know, influencing other people around him, his family, his business partners. Making them smile. And that's how we create that order where we're governing ourselves, right? Not through police, like you wanted, through censorship, but through reason. Through reason, Tom.

Tommy [01:07:38]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:07:39]:
Through seeing things for what they are and not allowing shit like that to run amok and just influence us and make us feel a certain type of way. A lot of people are triggered right now. A lot. Not this fucking room. Not this fucking room. He ain't got shit. Kanye west ain't got shit on us. He ain't got shit.

Eldar [01:08:00]:
And I believe that. And he shouldn't have shit over my friend Tom.

Tommy [01:08:05]:
Do you think t was affected at all? I'm just wondering.

Eldar [01:08:08]:
No. Fuck, bro. He has a monster bigger than Kanye west, bigger than Hitler, bigger than the asteroid that got rid of dinosaurs. He got bigger things to fry, bro. And it's invisible. It's called anxiety. It's called fucking panic attacks. He has an invisible monster that rules his world.

Eldar [01:08:29]:
It's not Kanye west.

Mike [01:08:30]:
You can't worry about Kanye.

Eldar [01:08:31]:
He got no time for Kanye.

Mike [01:08:33]:
No.

Eldar [01:08:33]:
Got no time for him. Kanye is a distant fucking relative. Somewhere long ago that got lost. You know what I'm saying?

Tommy [01:08:41]:
Well, things that he says.

Eldar [01:08:46]:
You see that, Mike? Still in a. Yeah. You understand? Yeah.

Mike [01:08:52]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:08:53]:
You're supposed to be sick, Tom. You're supposed to feel bad.

Mike [01:08:57]:
Yeah. You haven't made the choice.

Tommy [01:08:59]:
We can't say this wasn't expected. I mean.

Eldar [01:09:01]:
No.

Mike [01:09:02]:
Well, Tom, bro, you know, you remind.

Tommy [01:09:03]:
Me of right now. Remember that, remember that, remember that show home improvement?

Eldar [01:09:08]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:09:08]:
Yeah.

Tommy [01:09:08]:
Where he had the neighbor with the head over the fence?

Mike [01:09:11]:
Yes.

Tommy [01:09:13]:
This is what I feel right now.

Eldar [01:09:16]:
I mean, are you the guy over.

Mike [01:09:18]:
The fence or the other guy?

Tommy [01:09:19]:
He asked me when I walked in here and was like, oh, did you see what Kanye did? I said no, but I don't really care, to be honest. It's not that I don't care about.

Eldar [01:09:27]:
Well, I mean. What do you mean? That's a lie. You lied to him. You straight. You lied to him, Tom. You're a liar.

Tommy [01:09:32]:
What do you mean? Lied to who?

Eldar [01:09:33]:
To you? To t, to taideh. You don't care? You do care? Yeah.

Tommy [01:09:37]:
No, this is why I brought it up.

Eldar [01:09:39]:
You don't care.

Tommy [01:09:39]:
To a certain extent, maybe, yes.

Mike [01:09:41]:
Or you couldn't be honest with t at the time.

Eldar [01:09:43]:
Yeah, he couldn't.

Tommy [01:09:44]:
Maybe to a certain extent, yes. But that's fair. I think you can let that slide.

Eldar [01:09:48]:
You usually like to hide. That's okay. Yeah. You like to play hide and seek. We're used to it.

Tommy [01:09:56]:
Yeah. You know, I guess. I guess when people think they're going to be liberated by these hate things, that's terrible. Let me just put it that way.

Eldar [01:10:04]:
What the fuck are you saying? What you mean, people?

Tommy [01:10:06]:
If people are enlightened by this bullshit that people are spewing, then that bullshit.

Eldar [01:10:12]:
Who could be enlightened by like. What are you talking about, Tom? Well, look, you understand what's happening?

Tommy [01:10:17]:
Hold on 1 second.

Eldar [01:10:18]:
This is the, this is what I'm telling you. This is the creation of what I'm told. That army, that opposition side, the opposite side. He believes in this, that it exists, that there's people out there getting enlightened.

Tommy [01:10:32]:
I don't believe in it. It was a hypothetical for sure. Listen, I'm saving myself from being ill right now.

Eldar [01:10:40]:
All right? Fine. I'm glad you realized that. I'm glad you realized that, Tom.

Tommy [01:10:44]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:10:45]:
Stop the nonsense. Gig's up. He ain't got shit. He ain't got shit. He's grasping for straws. He's a sick and elder.

Tommy [01:10:54]:
Do you think that these things become maybe rationally an opportunity to, I don't know, maybe explore new. New paths and stuff like that.

Eldar [01:11:04]:
Is.

Tommy [01:11:04]:
It is like if his job is, like, to make everybody crazy, right?

Eldar [01:11:10]:
I like that. Yeah, sure. Then it's a hard job.

Tommy [01:11:15]:
What do you think our task is like? What's our task?

Eldar [01:11:18]:
Come on.

Tommy [01:11:18]:
In relationship. No. If it's opposite, wouldn't we be on the other side of. Or maybe. Well, we can't compare really well.

Eldar [01:11:26]:
We're trying to see things for what they are. If the individual on the other side is trying to see things for what they not, then of course we're the opposite side. Of course. You know what I'm saying? But I'm ready to die for the shit.

Tommy [01:11:42]:
For what?

Eldar [01:11:42]:
For what I believe.

Tommy [01:11:44]:
Oh, I see.

Eldar [01:11:45]:
You know what I'm saying? Because I stand. I stand behind it.

Tommy [01:11:50]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:11:51]:
What the fuck. You know what I'm saying?

Tommy [01:11:53]:
In some watered down kind of capitalist sense.

Eldar [01:11:56]:
Buddhist monks, right? The buddhist monks, right?

Tommy [01:11:59]:
Where'd you say it?

Eldar [01:11:59]:
The buddhist monks, right? They die for this shit. Why? They believe in this shit. Like, they weren't willing to when the Chinese invaded them, right? You set themselves on fire for protest. To protest. You know, they put themselves in front of the tanks.

Tommy [01:12:17]:
Well, thank God we haven't gotten that far.

Eldar [01:12:19]:
Well, no, yeah, for sure. And I mean. But push comes to shove, like, what are we talking about?

Tommy [01:12:25]:
Okay, so what's crazy is, you know, I mean, I'm never one, and we're gonna just continue saying something else. Like, I'm not talking about what he says anymore, but I was never one to, like, be all about his lyrics. Maybe it's because for me, lyrics aren't, like, that big of a thing. Maybe I'm not so into music, but I think for me, by saying, like, what? It's not. I'm saying kanye is not enlightened. And I'm kind of, like, wishing that he was right. I'm wishing that he was smart, like some other. Like some other people out there and willing to, like, I don't know.

Tommy [01:13:06]:
You know, like, you can't. You can't hope that that person will be, like, not only, like, inspiring, but also, like, wise. You know what I mean? Like, when you are smart, smart people, like, smart teachers, smart philosophers or whatever, they're learned individuals and they're enlightened individuals. Like, I've seen the way. Have you ever seen how a philosophy professor will, like, respond to something?

Eldar [01:13:32]:
Yeah.

Tommy [01:13:33]:
And, like, really inquire as to what you mean?

Eldar [01:13:35]:
Yes. Yes.

Tommy [01:13:36]:
And. And then they'll even go through, like, belief by belief by believing. They'll alter it a little bit. Is this what you mean?

Eldar [01:13:45]:
Yes. Well, yes.

Tommy [01:13:47]:
How? There's no. There's absolutely no way that you can expect an individual to, like, manifest that. This trait or this kind of.

Eldar [01:13:55]:
No way, Tom. There's no shortcut to the shit. No, study. Study, bro. And you think this motherfucker is doing that? You can't be doing Sunday service, bro. Thinking you and lying, bro. Come on, man. I wish you walking around talking all this crazy shit.

Eldar [01:14:15]:
You can't.

Tommy [01:14:16]:
Yeah, I mean, I gotta say, it is a moment.

Eldar [01:14:18]:
Gotta be immersed.

Tommy [01:14:19]:
I can actually.

Eldar [01:14:20]:
I.

Tommy [01:14:20]:
Answer my question. It is a moment for me. For me personally, to reflect, because there probably was a time in my life where, like, I did bow down to that kind of, like, that shit. Like, lyrics were, you know, things that inspired me and all that. You know, I was definitely flying off.

Eldar [01:14:39]:
The handle, so I never understood that, like. Yeah. The way that the lyrics. How it influences people, it's almost like, give them guidance to live. I never felt that. Like, I always felt like, yo, this shit is bumping. This shit is hot. But I never understood what the fuck it was saying was being said.

Eldar [01:14:54]:
You know what I mean? Like, I never. Like. But a lot of people will teach them through the lyrics. They're trying to teach some shit, which is okay, and it's fine, but, like, I never understood it that there is some substance you can extract from this shit. No, like, the tune is so good. The lyrics work with the tune, and, like, I'm just hype saying it, but.

Tommy [01:15:13]:
When they sell out.

Eldar [01:15:14]:
Yeah, but. But to teach. Yeah, but teach through lyrics is a crazy phenomenon. Yeah, I know it happens, but. Yeah, people should not take lyrics.

Tommy [01:15:21]:
Well, people. They want to meet the minds behind that art, too.

Eldar [01:15:24]:
Yeah, that's programming, too. Yeah.

Tommy [01:15:27]:
So whatever. I don't know. Yeah, I guess I'm number one. I'm not smart enough. I'm kind of ignorant about who he is. I'll just put that out there. But I'm also saying maybe it is an opportunity for me to, like, reflect on this side.

Eldar [01:15:42]:
Come here.

Mike [01:15:43]:
Yeah. To reflect on my comfortable chair.

Eldar [01:15:48]:
I keep hearing you said he's gonna punish you.

Tommy [01:15:52]:
To reflect on my own, let's say, sins. It's also an opportunity for me to reflect on the fact that I have not been straight. I have not always been an angel or saint, you know?

Eldar [01:16:07]:
Yeah, sure.

Tommy [01:16:08]:
I've also been wrong in my life. So I guess if there's a takeaway that I can get from it. It's that I it's like I've also made mistakes. Like, I've also been a kind of fanatic, kind of. Maybe a little manic, maybe maybe it's not necessarily wrong, but I understand, Tom.

Eldar [01:16:25]:
Then you can, you could definitely show compassion here. Yes, you should. Your challenge here is to show compassion. Understanding that individual is actually going through something. Give him some time.

Tommy [01:16:34]:
He'll come around. Yeah.

Eldar [01:16:38]:
I'd be more afraid, Tom, that, you know, based on what we talked about and based on what you understood, and I hope you did. Mm hmm. That by tapping in, if you are tapping in, you promoting this shit, you promoting a war?

Tommy [01:16:53]:
No, I want to have nothing to do with it.

Eldar [01:16:55]:
Good. Good. Because you're gonna come across people, Tom. We're gonna try to rile you up. And I hope you say I'm subscribed. I have my reasons. And if you can't explain it to them, tell them to come over here. We'll explain it to them.

Eldar [01:17:13]:
We'll give them the reason to shut their fucking mouths about the nonsense that they're spewing. Understand?

Tommy [01:17:21]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:17:24]:
Gives up.