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43. Exploring Consciousness Through Meditation: "Who Am I" technique.

Dennis Rox
Nov 11, 2022•3 hr 30 min•Ep. 43
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How can self-inquiry and meditation help individuals navigate toxic environments and improve self-awareness?

In Episode 43 of Dennis Rox, guest Denis joins hosts Toliy, Mike, and Eldar for a deep dive into the complexities of self-identity and personal growth. The conversation centers around Denis's struggle to navigate toxic environments without being labeled as running away, examining whether constant negativity justifies withdrawing to protect one's mental and emotional well-being. The episode takes a thoughtful look at the role of willpower in choosing non-reaction over confrontation and exploring the fine line between comfort and suffering that can trap individuals in unhealthy situations.

Denis also opens up about his preference for meaningful, one-on-one interactions over group dynamics, valuing deeply personal connections that allow for shared experiences and growth. The episode caps off with a profound discussion on meditation and self-inquiry, as Denis shares his practice of repeatedly asking "Who am I?" to dissociate from thoughts and the body, aiming to understand oneself as pure consciousness. Tension arises when the hosts challenge Denis on the practicality and consistency of his meditation practice, culminating in a hearty debate on the value of continuous self-reflection and mindful living. Join us for an engaging exploration of self-awareness, personal limits, and the pursuit of inner peace.

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Eldar [00:00:00]:
On this week's episode, did you skip that day? That day when you quit the chat? Did you skip the ten minute meditation? I just want to make a reference.

Mike [00:00:06]:
But it was early. This is 03:00 a.m. so we're off.

Eldar [00:00:08]:
The meditation is dead. It might be actually promoting confusion in an individual.

Denis [00:00:12]:
You want to get to the self inquiry, the self inquiry process of inquiring, like, yo, who the fuck am I? Yeah, who am I when I say I for things, when I am doing, who am I? Am I this body? Am I these thoughts? The enlightened people, at least based on these ancient concepts, they've gotten to the point where they've understood that they are pure consciousness. And the mind just quiets down, and then all of a sudden, there's no more thoughts.

Mike [00:00:34]:
We're not searching for the truth. We're just mucking around in the mud.

Denis [00:00:45]:
We realized that we got to define happiness, and I wasn't super convinced fully that necessarily happiness, we'd really have different definitions, and I'm not still fully convinced, to be honest. It's just different ways of saying it, in my opinion. But then when we defined it, we did an exercise in the group chat where we define, like, what happiness in one line means, and then list, like, what is, like, a happy picture for us or what makes us happy. All the things that make us happy. And so we did that exercise, and then we spoke, me and him, on the phone after, because he's not, like a. He doesn't.

Mike [00:01:20]:
I don't like.

Denis [00:01:20]:
So, like, he doesn't. He never learned to read, so he can't really communicate via text, so he talks on the phone, and then. And so we talked about it. We. The conclusion we drew was what? His thing was completely different than mine. And the conclusion we drew was kind of his thesis is that he's looking for. It's not. It's not the.

Denis [00:01:42]:
It's nothing. A list of things for him. Like, I listed things, like, hey, like, I want love. I want children. I want to make my smoothies every day. I want to get exercise, get fresh air. I want to, like, just, like, tons. I just spent every detail of my life trying to just everything that makes me happy.

Denis [00:02:00]:
He said, it's not about the actual list of things for him. It's. It's anything. It's about his interaction with the thing. So, like, basketball, he was given the example Saturday, so it was like, basketball made me unhappy today, even though I like basketball, if it makes me unhappy. Explain that again. That part. How am I saying it correctly.

Mike [00:02:17]:
Yeah. You can have a different experience in basketball depending on, like, you know, your attachment in that day. So if I come in there with an attachment, like, I want to win, you know, not accounting for other factors. I'm not happy playing basketball. Right. But other days, I come to play basketball just for the fun of it, still play the same games without an attachment to winning a, you know, and not losing composure, like, you know, yelling at teammates or like, I don't know, complaining about other players and shit like that or fighting with, you know, all kinds of shit that happens.

Eldar [00:02:49]:
Right.

Denis [00:02:50]:
His, and his definition of happiness. That one line definition was more along the lines of removing things that make me unhappy. My definition was focused more on thinking less. So that whole theme that I was talking. So we had, you know, we had different definitions, some similarities still, but, you know. Yeah, so, so the lesson that we did learn, we didn't necessarily uncover everything there, but what we did learn was that I think it is important to define things before you go into debates because me and him were going back and forth for many weeks arguing about discipline. It's not a little shots at each other, you know, but, like, if you have the conversation and realize with the person, like, hey, your definition of this topic is different than mine, then there's no reason to kind of. We're never going to necessarily see eye to eye.

Denis [00:03:41]:
We can now. But through that dialogue, we can actually respect the other person's opinion or viewpoint. Maybe, maybe. But you realize there's no reason to go into debates with people if the person explains to you, like, hey, I actually have a different definition of what we're talking about. You know, so you'd have to have the same definition first in order to. Okay, now let's break it.

Toliy [00:04:04]:
So do you. Do you guys want the same thing or do you guys want different things?

Denis [00:04:08]:
He says, I'm more focused on the end, on the, on the destination. I disagree, but that's kind of what we.

Toliy [00:04:16]:
And what do you think that he's. He wants?

Denis [00:04:18]:
Well, he said his whole thing is removing things that he doesn't like.

Toliy [00:04:22]:
But do you think that he's journey based or he's.

Denis [00:04:24]:
Or, like, my opinion is we're both journey based because his. It's just a different phrase. Like, when he says, I want to remove the things that make me unhappy. I'm trying out my systems in the last year or so of adding systems, right. That's under the umbrella of discipline. But systems in terms of, like, how can I. Okay, something's wrong here. I have to make a system.

Denis [00:04:43]:
Like, okay. I keep arguing with my parents about the war. There has to be a system. Like, yo, this is. This is unequivocally dead. Me and my father shook on it. This is. We don't talk about the war anymore.

Denis [00:04:51]:
Now coming on two months, thankfully. Like, that's it. Not a word about it. Because it was bringing me so much pain. I get to a point where I'm like, hold on a second. Why am I. Why don't I have a system here for all the things in my life? I kind of have a system, and it helps me to not have to think about it. It's just like, this is law.

Denis [00:05:05]:
So when I create laws for myself, I don't have to keep hitting the same walls over and over. And so that I did with my parents as help, but with this, I lost my train. I guess I'm saying that. He's saying, like, I'm trying to remove the things that I don't like. That's the life I want to build. Remove the things I don't like. Right? But I'm saying I want to create systems to prevent myself from, I guess, in a different word, you know, coming in contact with things I don't like in an unhealthy way.

Toliy [00:05:36]:
So you want to go in a confinement kind of.

Denis [00:05:39]:
I don't know what you mean.

Toliy [00:05:42]:
Like. Like, you want to create, like, a. Like, a confined.

Denis [00:05:46]:
It's really. I believe it's the same thing. Like, in this example with my parents, like, he would say, like, he would probably sit down and be like, yo, this is like how you did with, you know, your situation. Like, yo, this is no good for me. There has to be a solution here. And he's keep. Analyzes it as I have to remove what I don't like. I don't like this interaction.

Denis [00:06:02]:
I'm doing the same exact thing. I'm just phrasing it as, I have to create a system that is law. That's it. We don't talk about this anymore, and we get back to our relationship as mother and father talking about life instead of talking about this dumbass topic that's taken over our culture. And so it's really kind of just. It's. It's the same shit we're doing. We're trying to be, improve and evolve just in different approaches.

Denis [00:06:26]:
They're not identical, but so. So my. My theory at the end was that we're, you know, I still believe that we all. We want the same, similar things. We just have different, um, titles for them. And that's why. So, yeah.

Toliy [00:06:40]:
So, Mike, do you, do you agree you want the same thing as fellas?

Mike [00:06:43]:
Well, I think he said in the beginning, so we have different definitions of happiness. I don't know if we want the same thing, right?

Denis [00:06:51]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:06:51]:
Define happiness one way, he defines it another. It's not the same thing, right? Or is it?

Denis [00:06:57]:
I don't know. I think, I think if we were to simplify, my, like, final thesis is.

Mike [00:07:02]:
Kind of like, I think everybody wants those general things, right? Everybody wants to have love, to be happiness, be respect, right? All these things. Yeah, but how does that, like, how do you actually, beyond the general, you know.

Toliy [00:07:15]:
So you also want to be married like him?

Mike [00:07:17]:
I'm not sure, no.

Denis [00:07:19]:
Oh, you're not sure? I gotta update my records, cuz I.

Mike [00:07:22]:
Don'T know, you trying to, you know, I definitely like to meet a girl and fall in love and, you know, potentially get married.

Denis [00:07:28]:
And that's what I'm saying. It's what you guys words play. So, like, he's not sure, but of course he does. Like, that's all he's over, always talked about. Of course you want that.

Eldar [00:07:38]:
He's a liardeh.

Mike [00:07:39]:
Like, I want love, but love doesn't mean marriage.

Denis [00:07:41]:
Sure. Okay, forget the marriage word. You want love. I want love.

Mike [00:07:44]:
I would like to fall in love.

Denis [00:07:45]:
You want to be happy? I want to be happy. You want to smile, laugh. I want all those things. You know what I mean? You want to be healthy, you want to, I don't know, feel good, be happy, you know, be, you know what I mean? They might be quote unquote cliche, but they're not because they're, that's what we're built up. We want to be.

Mike [00:08:01]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:08:01]:
You know? Yeah.

Mike [00:08:02]:
See, there's more than, I guess, as a wise man once said, there's more than one with a skin like hat, right? You know, you can get to marriage, right? That's the goal. But how do you get there? You can get to happiness, but how do you get there? And what happened is 70% of your day, 90% of your day, 20% of your day, like, what's that? Like, these things are all over definition.

Denis [00:08:22]:
So, yeah, maybe like it.

Mike [00:08:24]:
I think the importance of happiness is not actually getting to the happiness, but just, just being the happiness, I guess.

Toliy [00:08:31]:
Like, so there's no, like, yeah, there's no, like, happy land, USA.

Mike [00:08:36]:
There's no, like, happiness, USA. Land. There is a pizza town, USA. There is, but there is no happiness, USA. I think the happiness is the journey, it's not like getting married is not a destination, you know?

Denis [00:08:49]:
Yeah, yeah.

Mike [00:08:51]:
I mean, it is a destination, but I just don't necessarily think that's my, like, my, like my destination.

Denis [00:09:07]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I list my shit like that. What James was trying to embody me on.

Mike [00:09:16]:
Yes.

Denis [00:09:16]:
Is why did you cool, by the way?

Mike [00:09:19]:
I think he got a stupid phone. They told you that?

Denis [00:09:22]:
Well, it goes along with these kinds of things.

Eldar [00:09:24]:
Removing the stuff systems.

Mike [00:09:26]:
Right?

Denis [00:09:26]:
Similar thing, right?

Eldar [00:09:27]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:09:27]:
I'm like, yo, this doesn't like. I'm like, this is, like, frustrating. My whole day, I'm arguing with this guy James. I really mean, who was.

Eldar [00:09:35]:
Who is frustrating you? You're frustrating yourself or the people in the chat were frustrating you. Holy.

Denis [00:09:40]:
Well, of course.

Toliy [00:09:41]:
Let me just do a mic check here. Can anybody hear me right now?

Denis [00:09:44]:
But you don't understand what I'm. My thesis on it is so the way it is, I've explained this before, but the way I see it is we have willpower. Right? That would be if I was. If I was the best version of myself, I would be able to have enough willpower. Natural. We could define will power as just natural ability.

Eldar [00:10:05]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:10:06]:
To have self control, to do the right things to everything all across the board in life. Do the right things for me. That would benefit me. I don't have that. I'm working towards those things little by little, but I'm nothing. Certain areas, I don't have it. And I need to create systems for certain things that if I can't offer willpower, like, every time I'm faced with the situation, kind of like, remember, like, okay, like, don't say nothing or don't, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

Eldar [00:10:37]:
This is the way you want to develop willpower, to have that kind of thing?

Denis [00:10:40]:
Well, no, I got it. Sometimes you got to just remove yourself from the environment. Like, if I'm. If I'm instance, if I'm coming into the same kind of conflicts in a group chat, for example, I can keep doing what I've been doing for ten years, which is try to like, yo, no, I'm gonna. I'm gonna show them. I'm gonna. I'm gonna show that I got strength. You know what I mean? I'm not just gonna be a quitter, man.

Denis [00:10:58]:
Like, you clearly don't have enough willpower to deal with certain characters and certain comments, certain things. It's causing you stress. I'm happy with my journey. I try to progress every day in my life. This is an area where it's above my pay grade, and I'm okay with that. I'm working on, like, stresses. I got a. I got a girl at home that right now, every day, she's challenging me in a great way, but challenging me every day to.

Denis [00:11:23]:
In these ways to refrain from saying this or be patient here, this.

Eldar [00:11:27]:
So, like, in that situation, you can't just remove yourself, right?

Denis [00:11:30]:
Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, sure, but I'm saying is that. No, it's my. It's my. That's my version of developing those things that still need to be developed, but the willpower to deal with certain above my pay grade. I think it's also important to be honest with yourself. Like, y'all, like, this is bringing me. It's what Mike's talking about, maybe.

Eldar [00:11:50]:
Yeah. Was bringing stress. So it's safe to say that that day, you didn't meditate that ten minutes.

Denis [00:12:04]:
Oh, really? Even everything. You were talking about me? Yeah, you were.

Eldar [00:12:10]:
I was talking over there.

Mike [00:12:13]:
Who's the worst one on Friday?

Eldar [00:12:16]:
Oh, no, she's talking about here.

Mike [00:12:18]:
Here.

Eldar [00:12:18]:
I say nothing in group chat. It was you and James.

Denis [00:12:23]:
As you know, I'm not one to get, like, offended, but, like, come on.

Eldar [00:12:26]:
D, give me a pass on the chat, bro.

Denis [00:12:27]:
Started thinking about, like, yo, like, why am I keep hitting the same wall?

Eldar [00:12:30]:
Yeah, sure. Of course.

Denis [00:12:32]:
The core of it is, it's all up to me. But, like, you want to keep kind of just be. No, I'm gonna.

Eldar [00:12:37]:
Yeah, I'm gonna.

Denis [00:12:37]:
It's me. I know. That's the answer.

Eldar [00:12:39]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:12:39]:
None of this world. It's all about me. But, like.

Mike [00:12:41]:
But.

Denis [00:12:42]:
So I'm just gonna keep, like, hitting my head into the wall until. Okay, fine. Like, I got it. Like, I got a million things that I'm trying to develop a work on, you know?

Eldar [00:12:49]:
So is.

Denis [00:12:49]:
This was, like, you know what? I'm okay with a soft failing here. Meaning, like, it's okay. Like, you know what I mean?

Eldar [00:12:57]:
Like.

Denis [00:13:02]:
It couldn't handle the truth or whatever.

Mike [00:13:03]:
No.

Eldar [00:13:04]:
You mean, no, I don't know what you did it for, but no.

Denis [00:13:07]:
You making your assumptions.

Eldar [00:13:08]:
I didn't make that assumption.

Denis [00:13:09]:
I'm blamed.

Eldar [00:13:10]:
No, I'm asking whether or not I could safely say that you didn't meditate the ten minutes.

Denis [00:13:17]:
That part I don't. There's no reason to even discuss, as I could.

Eldar [00:13:20]:
But, like, you, is your willpower motivated also maybe by money? Can we. Can willpower be motivated by money?

Denis [00:13:31]:
I mean, maybe, I guess, like, if you think. If you think about it, like, course, again, I mean, yes, sure.

Eldar [00:13:38]:
Okay.

Denis [00:13:40]:
What does that have to do.

Eldar [00:13:42]:
Well, no, because obviously, what you're saying, right, in the areas of, like, there's no real attachments. Like, you know, in, like, a group chat, let's just say, right, there's no real attachment. You could just remove yourself. You can remove yourself from the conversation with your daddy. You can remove yourself. Conversations with us or whatever. But there's certain areas in life, like jobs, for example. Right.

Eldar [00:14:04]:
You can't just remove yourself. So you kind of almost have to, like, I don't know, you call it willpower. Have more willpower. Right. That is motivated by something else in order to put up with some of this shit. You know what I mean?

Denis [00:14:16]:
I think the money would be the structure in itself. We're like, okay, here's my structure. That, like, I got to come put up with something.

Eldar [00:14:22]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Denis [00:14:23]:
Okay. That office environment is bad. That, boss, is true with me every day.

Eldar [00:14:27]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Denis [00:14:28]:
Like, I'm getting paid for it.

Eldar [00:14:29]:
So, yeah, it is what it is.

Denis [00:14:30]:
You can define in many ways. You call that copping out too, or whatever, but I don't know.

Eldar [00:14:34]:
But it probably is that. Right?

Denis [00:14:36]:
It depends on, you know, I don't.

Eldar [00:14:39]:
Know, tolerance of that individual.

Denis [00:14:41]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:14:42]:
The ability. Right. To tolerate certain things.

Denis [00:14:43]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:14:44]:
Okay.

Denis [00:14:45]:
But anyways, I don't know. Yeah.

Eldar [00:14:48]:
Willpower. Interesting.

Denis [00:14:50]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:14:50]:
You didn't have the willpower. You said willpower.

Denis [00:14:54]:
Yeah. I mean, what does that, what does.

Eldar [00:14:55]:
That mean to you?

Denis [00:14:56]:
Like, I'm explaining to you, I don't know if you listening ever to me or you're just waiting to kind of sun me.

Eldar [00:15:01]:
No, I definitely wait for Sony most, most of the time. Like, I definitely have the radar for that. But, but I have to, like, tune in more until, like, to have the ability to listen a little bit more when you do say something.

Denis [00:15:16]:
We could definitely look at the definition of willpower. That could help, too.

Eldar [00:15:19]:
But no, your definition, because you clearly use the word in such a way.

Denis [00:15:22]:
Sure. How I'm interpreting willpower is like, you.

Eldar [00:15:26]:
Didn'T use, like, patience. Right. You didn't say, okay, I didn't have the patience for James or Mike that night. You didn't use those types of things. Like, you. You know what I'm saying? You willpower.

Denis [00:15:34]:
Like, willpower again, that's the thing with words, the definitions, desire, million.

Toliy [00:15:40]:
He said, I mean, my understanding is that he's saying, like, yo, like, nietzsche. Like, this is not like, no, no, he know.

Eldar [00:15:46]:
I know. He says he doesn't want this. He's saying like, I didn't have enough willpower in that moment to deal with.

Denis [00:15:52]:
The nonsense like this. When you, when you bring it back to your other trolling topic with the meditation, where I was, for some reason, you decided to, you know, go on a whole rant about how, like, you know, my ten minute b's and this and that, whatever. But the point of it was the whole concept is here, applied there, too, where I don't have the willpower.

Eldar [00:16:12]:
Did you skip that, that day? That day when you quit the chat, did you skip the ten minute meditation? I just want to make a reference.

Denis [00:16:18]:
No, I did it that day.

Eldar [00:16:19]:
You did do it that day, but it was early.

Mike [00:16:22]:
This is 03:00 a.m. so that wore off.

Denis [00:16:26]:
Yeah. I mean, if the thing with that is, I could also look at it like, like philosophy club. No, I'm answering. Well, no, that was the whole thing on Friday. That was a whole debate. Like, we were fighting all three. Yeah, yeah. Them too are in complete alignment that.

Denis [00:16:45]:
It's just like, what I was gonna say is that, look at you. Look at this as healing.

Mike [00:16:50]:
Right?

Denis [00:16:50]:
Like, you get with your boys, you take a walk, you talk about concepts.

Mike [00:16:54]:
What?

Denis [00:16:55]:
Oh, philosophy.

Mike [00:16:56]:
Oh, philosophy.

Denis [00:16:56]:
Okay, yes or no? Don't try to, like, answer based on. Just be honest. Right?

Mike [00:17:03]:
What was the question again?

Eldar [00:17:04]:
Do you enjoy it?

Mike [00:17:05]:
I enjoy that.

Denis [00:17:07]:
Is it healing for you? It's healing.

Mike [00:17:09]:
I think it does provide healing system.

Denis [00:17:11]:
When you go on your walk with your I homies, right?

Eldar [00:17:13]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:17:13]:
You got a problem in that day, whatever it is, right. And you guys are discussing it and people, they're able to give you input and whatever, and you guys theorize it, you're able to, it feels like you're like, yo, okay, wow. Sometimes, like, yo, I didn't even think about it that way. Right. You're gaining insight. You're able to decipher this that you're practicing. We can call it, maybe you're not labeling it that, but you're practicing philosophy. Practicing whatever, you know, whatever.

Denis [00:17:38]:
Yeah. Why do you show up every day then still to take another walk and another philosophy club and another podcast? Why did it, what did it wear off? Like, you already had that. I bet you that on 90% of the talks you guys have, you've solved that problem 30 times over each of them or even more. But it's like, it's something that you keep doing because we need repetition. We need to keep compounding the. Keep tweaking, keep tweaking, keep repeating, like taking a thousand shots. Right. You're not just gonna take all cool I made one shot.

Denis [00:18:10]:
Like, I'm ready to go to the Lakers game tomorrow and take the shot, you know? I mean, you keep doing it and doing it because we need. We're creatures of habit, and we repeat.

Mike [00:18:17]:
Yeah, but I don't think it's repetitive.

Eldar [00:18:22]:
No, no. I know what he's talking about, but I don't think he said, you know, you solve it dirty. I don't think you solve the actual problems when we discuss them.

Denis [00:18:30]:
Because the answers maybe not sold the answers. Are there 30 million.

Eldar [00:18:34]:
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, raising awareness about certain stuff.

Denis [00:18:37]:
Really. The answers are like, maybe doesn't mean.

Eldar [00:18:39]:
We solved it for the individual.

Denis [00:18:41]:
Sure, sure. Not solve it.

Eldar [00:18:41]:
I use.

Denis [00:18:42]:
The answers are like, there might. It's really.

Eldar [00:18:44]:
I know what you find.

Denis [00:18:45]:
You know, I'm saying, like, five answers.

Eldar [00:18:46]:
Yes, but.

Denis [00:18:47]:
Because we're complicated beings, we look at. But in this situation, it's like, yes, so we're going through it, but you keep doing it.

Eldar [00:18:53]:
Right?

Denis [00:18:53]:
So you mock the meditation, for instance, which, again, I'm not even. Like, I. Not once on Friday, I say, like, I'm doing this. I'm mastering this. No, I was just saying, like, y'all was telling Catherine, like, yo, a couple of times when I'm trying to do it now, it helps me just to like, yo, I feel lighter. Whatever. But the point is to prepare this. Just to just touch on this one last thing that you got.

Denis [00:19:13]:
You've been repeating over and over again, both of you. It's like, there's no magical thing. Like, if philosophy was a one time thing, you wouldn't need to sit here every week. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's a reason you come back. Because it's a. It's a. It's a practice, right? Like, all this stuff is a practice. Like, it's not like.

Denis [00:19:29]:
You know what I mean?

Mike [00:19:30]:
Like.

Denis [00:19:30]:
Like, yeah, sure. You can make the joke. Like that shit wore off. Or like, oh, you gotta sit for 6 hours.

Mike [00:19:37]:
That one nicked you a little. Yeah.

Denis [00:19:38]:
No, you made, like, ten of them. No, on Friday it was. You gotta sit for 6 hours or something to just be normal for.

Eldar [00:19:49]:
Human.

Denis [00:19:50]:
With everything like that, you know, like, why don't you just do that one time? Why don't you just go to the gym one time? Like, you'll be fine, you know? Like, you know what I'm saying?

Eldar [00:19:59]:
So, d. So the question is.

Denis [00:20:00]:
But I think. But I think just to finish. I think you guys. Because it's not your thing. Because you guys have your thing and you look at that kind of world as like, oh, like, those are those people. You know, those are the yoga people.

Eldar [00:20:11]:
Yo, Dennis is the man. Where he describes that shit like the polar opposites is sick.

Denis [00:20:16]:
It's. You just, like. You almost like. It's like, yo, they opps. And it's just like, yo, that's stupid. Like, that's. Like, that shit don't work, bro. That's just stupid.

Denis [00:20:23]:
Like, look at them, you know? Look at them. Tomorrow they're angry again.

Toliy [00:20:27]:
But you would even. You would even say, people gotta fucking.

Denis [00:20:30]:
Work on this shit.

Toliy [00:20:30]:
You would even. You would even say that if. If elders doing experiment, he started pedaling that stuff to.

Eldar [00:20:36]:
Mike.

Toliy [00:20:36]:
Mike. Oh, this might be a good idea.

Denis [00:20:38]:
You know, I'm not just gonna answer by trolling. I'm not. I know you kind of side trolling.

Eldar [00:20:43]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:20:44]:
Know that.

Denis [00:20:45]:
But, my man, I swear. I swear to Christ, I think it was. I was editing the podcast yesterday, and I thought about that. Like, yo, the same thing you just said. I was like, yo, if he pitched it to him in a very high parrot, like, completely nonchalant.

Eldar [00:21:00]:
Tony's been wanting me to do this experiment.

Denis [00:21:03]:
My man, bro. Like, I started doing this shit, Mike, with Catherine. Like, yo, we sit for five minutes and shit. Like.

Mike [00:21:12]:
You. One question. I don't know if you guys remember.

Denis [00:21:15]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:21:15]:
But we actually used to do yoga and meditation in this office and in my house. Yeah, but I also.

Denis [00:21:24]:
Mmm.

Mike [00:21:25]:
If you listen to last week's podcast, which you would. I'm not sure if you were listening. Yeah, I also. I said that meditation. I have nothing against meditation.

Denis [00:21:34]:
Didn't sound like it, but I just.

Mike [00:21:36]:
Have a problem with.

Eldar [00:21:37]:
I said. I said. I said meditation is dead. Yeah.

Denis [00:21:42]:
In very many different ways. That's because.

Mike [00:21:46]:
I said meditation is dead.

Eldar [00:21:48]:
Why is he backpacking, son?

Denis [00:21:49]:
Yeah, you gotta stick with it.

Eldar [00:21:51]:
You gotta keep the same energy, right? I'm keeping the same energy, D. Yeah.

Denis [00:21:54]:
No, you always do.

Toliy [00:21:55]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:21:56]:
Good.

Mike [00:21:57]:
I said it's. I didn't say that. But if I did, I also said that it's. It's dead just on its own. I think you need to also do practice of thinking and understanding your problems, not just meditating on them.

Denis [00:22:10]:
Yeah, I agree.

Mike [00:22:11]:
And I also mentioned how the Buddhists study stuff and then they meditate on it.

Denis [00:22:15]:
I agree with that, too.

Mike [00:22:16]:
Of course. Yeah.

Denis [00:22:16]:
It's not.

Mike [00:22:17]:
Just not sure why you're trying to put me in the camp.

Denis [00:22:19]:
Well, no, no, no. It's not that you're 100% sure? Because the words that you said, the things that you. We spent 2 hours talking.

Mike [00:22:26]:
So.

Toliy [00:22:27]:
So is the issue here at hand that. That Mike feels that d just meditates and doesn't learn, right. Doesn't try to solve his problems, and then d feels that Mike doesn't learn or meditate?

Eldar [00:22:38]:
In a nutshell, yeah. In a nutshell, yes. I would say so.

Toliy [00:22:41]:
Like, on top. And he doesn't meditate.

Eldar [00:22:43]:
Yes.

Toliy [00:22:43]:
And Mike's like, no tit to poi.

Eldar [00:22:45]:
Yeah, but you meditate, meditate. Yeah, yeah.

Denis [00:22:49]:
And the other person doesn't understand in that moment because they're biased to their side that, like, actually, either way, whatever you choose to go about, but, dear, you don't. It's nothing is overnight, and nothing is. Like, you have to. So, like, when I'm looking at his shit, I'm like, yo, why you sitting here? For example? I'll put myself in that. Like, and I do think that way in certain moments throughout the year. Like, I'm making fun of him for just sitting around here, right? But, like, he says to me, oh, this is my process, right? That's what we talked about on Saturday. Like, I'm looking to remove things out of my life. Like, that don't serve me.

Denis [00:23:19]:
I'm in a different season. You know what I'm saying? Also with work and different things, like, I'm not understanding that process in those moments when I'm judging him. So when he's judging me with his homie, judging me when I'm talking about, yo, this thing is helping me. He's judging it because it's not his thing. And because then he looks at my receipts of who I am from before, and he's like, yo, you're full of shit. Because, like, like, no, like, where's the, you know, where's the results even or whatever. You know what I mean? And then you can never. Because.

Denis [00:23:45]:
Because we're never with the other person 24/7 we don't know, like, oh, actually, like, well, Mike made these changes. He did this, this, this, and they don't see me. Like, oh, actually, oh, look, he's not doing that anymore. He's not doing that. We're not, you know, 24/7 monitoring each other. And so it's easy to judge the other person as well. That's why it's also frustrating when we have these topics about these kinds of things, because I'm just like, y'all, like, you trolling and it's funny, but, like.

Mike [00:24:10]:
Yeah, but I'm not. I also want to be clear. I'm not just saying that meditation is dead. I'm saying it for in general.

Eldar [00:24:20]:
Oh, yeah. In general, yeah. Because if, you know, if we were to dig. Right. I'm not gonna make this assumption, but I am gonna make an assumption.

Mike [00:24:29]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:24:29]:
Right. That I think that the practice of what you're talking about. And I think what I've at least studied about Buddhism, right. And how it was recommended to do meditations, right. It's definitely number one. It's studying, right. Then meditating on it, and then actually, you know, manifesting it in real life. Right.

Eldar [00:24:47]:
That practice that what you're studying, be it the middle way or whatever it is that, you know, talk about. I'm not sure if the society in general right now is doing that exact thing.

Mike [00:24:58]:
Right.

Eldar [00:24:59]:
I'm not sure how many Sanskrit reading you mentioned and studying. Okay. Before they do in the meditation. So I think a lot of the times, they'll go off of, like, what the fat is, right. And the fat is very simple. Right. Most individuals just know, like, just quiet the mind. Like, yo, all you have to do is focus on your breath.

Mike [00:25:16]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:25:16]:
You know what I'm saying? I think that it probably reached the masses in the majority of individuals with that. Right. But that's not where that ends.

Denis [00:25:24]:
I think that in itself is, like, ridiculous. What do you mean, the masses, as it reached the masses?

Eldar [00:25:30]:
No, I mean. No, no, no. I'm talking about a general consensus that people know about. Yeah. Well, people that have an understanding of what. What is meditation, right. They say, just focus on your breath. I kind of, like.

Eldar [00:25:39]:
That's like, kind of the fad, right?

Mike [00:25:41]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:25:42]:
You know, also with critical thinking, like, just go to therapy. Like, that's also the fat. You know what I mean? Of course, it takes. You got to go beyond the surface level fad and on the practice.

Eldar [00:25:52]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:25:53]:
Correct.

Eldar [00:25:54]:
That's what I'm saying. That maybe that's why, like my. Like I said. Sure. I said meditation is dead. You know what I mean? In the form that it is right now or the form it is that is obviously may be displayed in some individuals. Right. Not gonna say who, you know, but if through meditation, there's no real results, then, you know, maybe it's being done.

Mike [00:26:12]:
See, the thing is, you know, how.

Denis [00:26:14]:
Do you know I'm not.

Eldar [00:26:15]:
I don't know. I don't know.

Denis [00:26:17]:
Again, make it. You've said the same statements on Friday. Like, are we measuring people's. Are we. Are we case studying people's results? This person is meditating. Like, yo, this is dead. Or you. Just.

Denis [00:26:28]:
For you, maybe it wasn't your thing, or you're just looking at a couple hotheads and you're just making.

Eldar [00:26:33]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:26:33]:
You know, I have to actually prove.

Eldar [00:26:36]:
That d. Absolutely not.

Mike [00:26:38]:
I have, I have a couple examples from my personal life experience. Like, one is four and one is both are relative to this.

Eldar [00:26:46]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:26:46]:
So I spent in a week in Kadampa. Right. And I clearly remember the process. You know, you come into the thing. The rabbi.

Eldar [00:26:55]:
Yes.

Mike [00:26:56]:
You know.

Eldar [00:26:56]:
Yes.

Mike [00:26:57]:
He talks to you for, like, an hour.

Eldar [00:26:58]:
Yes.

Mike [00:26:59]:
Right. You take this information and you meditate.

Eldar [00:27:01]:
Yes.

Mike [00:27:02]:
Right.

Eldar [00:27:02]:
I do remember that. Yes.

Mike [00:27:03]:
Okay. And what you're supposed to do is supposed meditate. I've done this.

Eldar [00:27:05]:
Mm hmm.

Mike [00:27:06]:
I also been to the gym right here, a really nice gym, and I went into 1 hour yoga class.

Eldar [00:27:11]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:27:12]:
And what did they do? They walked around, tell you how beautiful, how special you are.

Eldar [00:27:16]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:27:16]:
Great and amazing you are.

Eldar [00:27:17]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:27:18]:
You know, put on some nice, calm music.

Eldar [00:27:20]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:27:20]:
And then wish you a nice day, and then ten minutes later, you're yelling at somebody at the parking lot.

Eldar [00:27:26]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:27:26]:
You know.

Eldar [00:27:27]:
Yeah. You've seen that.

Mike [00:27:28]:
I'm saying, like, I agree.

Denis [00:27:29]:
That's that 100%.

Mike [00:27:30]:
That's the thing. In a societal version, does that, does.

Denis [00:27:33]:
That disqualify the practice is what I'm saying.

Mike [00:27:37]:
No, it does. It makes, it makes a mockery of the practice because you're selling people things that are you. You, like, help it. You. You. You fucking people's minds in a way.

Eldar [00:27:50]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:27:51]:
Because you give them a glimpse, like you've done meditation, obviously, you know, like that. You come out, you feel like, wow. Like, you feel great, you feel relaxed, you feel refreshed on top of the world. But it's very short lived. Why is it short lived? Because it's not rooted in actual, any solidification of any, like, thing. If your girl comes to you and.

Denis [00:28:10]:
Starts telling you you haven't done something, the right meditation, I'll put it that way.

Mike [00:28:15]:
Oh, I'm just giving my example from the gym.

Denis [00:28:17]:
No, but you're making statements. The example is the example. And you went on to make a statement. You made a statement of like, yo.

Mike [00:28:22]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:28:23]:
He said, like, yo.

Eldar [00:28:24]:
No. What he's saying is, no, no. He's saying that they can't even translate past the ten minutes. Right. Because he's witnessed individuals. Right. Come out of their face. Right.

Eldar [00:28:34]:
While saying all these beautiful, namaste, I love yous. You know what I'm saying? To everybody else in the world. You know what I mean? Where. Yeah. It's. They selling horseshit.

Mike [00:28:42]:
They make an. A mockery of the actual practice.

Eldar [00:28:46]:
Yeah. And actually, I'm not gonna. I didn't think about this more. I didn't study this. I don't have any data, but I might have to go towards. I'm gonna lean right now towards and have a biased opinion on the fact that it might be actually promoting confusion. An individual. Yes, correct.

Eldar [00:29:04]:
Correct. And the reason why I say that is because it becomes almost like they always say. Right? Hey, sin Monday through Friday, went to church on Sunday.

Denis [00:29:14]:
Yeah, no, see you guys again. The difference here is you get up, bro. What you're looking at, what you're looking at here.

Eldar [00:29:21]:
No, I'm not saying the real meditation in its form is dead. Not saying that.

Mike [00:29:24]:
But this, like, you know, the commercial.

Denis [00:29:27]:
The commercialization of it when I'm talking about it, because I've been through that. Like, I'm not even, like, I don't. I have no, I don't have anything to do with those people. You understand?

Toliy [00:29:36]:
Like, how are you guys here on a different page?

Eldar [00:29:39]:
We're not meaning, like, from this right now.

Denis [00:29:43]:
You. I'm. I'll start with that one. One thing that you said. You said, the last statement, you said, it doesn't last. It's not rooted in anything. That's, aside from the fact of the commercialization. I really give it.

Denis [00:29:57]:
I don't really care about that. But like, that. That could be talked about, too, but with that just that statement, like, it's just. It's just you. When I'm talking about certain things that I've. That is just as big. This should have been. It's written in multiple practices, from the Buddhism, to the Hinduism, to all these cats.

Denis [00:30:15]:
They've been around for all these thousands and thousands of years. They're all writing the same shit, but in different ways. And there's actual specific things even in the. All these. We're talking about the Buddhists, but which. Which is right when you say there's a teaching to it, right. It's not just sitting and someone, again, like, telling you, Namaste. That's all a bunch of bullshit, 100%.

Denis [00:30:35]:
There's no question about it. But it's the actual act of. And I. And the reason why I really shouldn't be arguing it, but because I just keep going into the same stuff. No willpower there. But through experience. I know that when you say that, I know, like, you know how you guys know certain truths, and it's like somebody can say something. It's like, it's okay, like, what are you gonna do? Right.

Denis [00:30:57]:
But when you say that I've experienced that through the proper process, through actually, again, having the proper truth behind it, it's not like meditating on that truth. It's just understanding what you're doing, where you're doing it for it is rooted in the truth. Because if.

Toliy [00:31:14]:
What's the difference between the commercialized meditation that they're talking about and the meditation that you are doing?

Denis [00:31:20]:
Playing shit out? Like, it's like. It's like, you know, can you walk us through. Can you walk us through Bergen, with, like, nobody talking about you?

Toliy [00:31:30]:
Walk us through, like, what? What your ten minutes.

Eldar [00:31:33]:
Little click entails.

Denis [00:31:35]:
Yeah, yeah. So. And again, don't get caught up on the ten. The ten was. Was me. Because, again, I don't have the willpower to do an hour.

Toliy [00:31:41]:
No, that's what I'm saying. What, what? Your ten minutes. What do your ten minutes each day.

Denis [00:31:46]:
Yeah. So, so what I learned from, also from many years of kind of seeing all these different kind of schools of thought. But what I learned from is this cat called. He's not a cat. Ramana Maharishi. He's like a. He's an indian guy. And he was just a real simple guy.

Denis [00:32:01]:
He had followers, but he never, like, had. No, he wasn't. He never said, I'm not no guru. I'm nobody's guru. He never also wrote anything down, but he's had this. He's very famous in India. Everyone, like, it's like. Well, no, he lived in the 19 hundreds, early 19 hundreds.

Denis [00:32:14]:
And his whole thing was like, yo, yo.

Eldar [00:32:17]:
He said 19 hundreds, like, it was like, 800,000 years ago.

Denis [00:32:19]:
Yeah, yeah. We're digging deeper into 20,000.

Eldar [00:32:24]:
Yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

Denis [00:32:25]:
So, basically, the core concept is, who am I? Right? So he calls it self inquiry. It's very simple. He's like, yo, everyone has made all this shit super complicated, right? There's just a few core things to it where it's like, you have to understand, who am I? And then when you're. Okay, so, like, you have these thoughts. So you sit down and you're trying to, like, calm them, right? But you. It's already done wrong because somebody's either one. What? You mentioned trying to meditate on something that's wrong. Like, all right, I'm meditating on world peace, or I'm meditating on how to be peace.

Denis [00:32:53]:
Whatever. That's b's, he would say. And he says, it's also wrong if you're trying to, like. Like, yeah, it's like, I keep thinking. I keep thinking. You're not judging the shit. You're just supposed to understand that. What is.

Denis [00:33:04]:
What are they? What are the thoughts? Like when I'm right now we got these thoughts. What are they and who do they belong to? To who? To these. Do these thoughts belong to?

Toliy [00:33:11]:
Okay, so can you describe to me?

Denis [00:33:13]:
I'm explaining. No, this is it.

Toliy [00:33:15]:
No, you're explaining. You're explaining to me the practice of it. Which, which. Which one? I'm saying I want to know. Like, did you meditate today?

Denis [00:33:24]:
No, not yet. I usually do it at the end of the day.

Mike [00:33:26]:
Okay.

Toliy [00:33:26]:
Did you meditate yesterday?

Eldar [00:33:28]:
Is it right before bed? Are you going to sleep?

Denis [00:33:30]:
I just. It's when I remember I got to do it. End of the day. Sometimes I'm.

Eldar [00:33:34]:
Okay, okay, I'm.

Toliy [00:33:35]:
Yesterday. Can you tell me what happened in your ten minute session yesterday?

Denis [00:33:39]:
Okay. That's why I sat down and I remember the core things. He says, yo, ask yourself, who am I? Right? Who is the I? The I. The I is. When we're saying, I, I am doing this. I am doing that. Right? And again, bear with me. I'm saying it in layman's terms.

Denis [00:33:54]:
I don't. I've read it, like, three, four times, maybe a little more. But, like, it's not like I'm studying this every day. I'm just trying my version of it, or as best as I can, get close to it, but the core of it is, who am I? Who is the I? We keep saying I am this. I am about to do this. I feel angry. Who is the I? And because the belief in, let's say, whether it's Hinduism or Buddhism, whatever, that. That the eye is pure consciousness, that we're not.

Denis [00:34:22]:
Like, we're not the body and we're not the mind.

Toliy [00:34:25]:
No, I understand things, but I want to know.

Denis [00:34:27]:
But I'm just saying that's part of the.

Toliy [00:34:33]:
He's telling me about what? What to do. I want to know, what did he do with.

Eldar [00:34:37]:
That's what he's doing. He's thinking about this.

Toliy [00:34:40]:
Can you do it without explaining to me? Can you just reenact it?

Eldar [00:34:43]:
No, I can't. What do you mean? He's thinking? It's the point.

Denis [00:34:45]:
It's not a B's, like fluff thing. You have to fucking dare. I'm breathing.

Toliy [00:34:49]:
Okay, but do it without educating me, like, on Hinduism and stuff like that. Okay, so you're asking yourself who you are.

Eldar [00:34:56]:
Can you do it out loud?

Mike [00:34:57]:
So you say, who am I?

Denis [00:34:58]:
And then you say, who am I? And I just sit there the whole time, like, who am I? And then the thoughts start.

Eldar [00:35:05]:
You ask yourself, question or someone else.

Denis [00:35:07]:
I keep asking myself. So the idea is so. I mean, I don't know. He's unhappy with my method, so I'm trying to do it a different. I don't know how else to explain.

Eldar [00:35:15]:
No, that's what he's doing, bro.

Toliy [00:35:16]:
No, I know, but he's telling me about where it originated from, you know, Hinduism and stuff like that. I just want to know what happens. Like, I want to know it as if I had a recording of ten minutes saying this. Right, ten minutes.

Eldar [00:35:34]:
But that's not what you're doing. He's asking.

Denis [00:35:37]:
I know, but, like, if I'm. If I'm.

Toliy [00:35:39]:
I don't want to know about the concept.

Denis [00:35:40]:
He doesn't know what the concept is. The meditation, though.

Toliy [00:35:43]:
No, but I want to just see you do it. I want to see your ten minutes. I don't care about the history.

Denis [00:35:48]:
Okay, I'll try to pretend we're not here. It doesn't matter if I close. Okay, fine.

Eldar [00:35:55]:
Sure, no problem for the effect.

Denis [00:35:58]:
Like, I don't know.

Toliy [00:36:00]:
Yeah, like, give me ten minutes.

Denis [00:36:01]:
Like, sure.

Toliy [00:36:02]:
Like, I want to hear it. Hear this.

Denis [00:36:03]:
Sure. I'm sitting.

Toliy [00:36:05]:
Okay, and tell me what you're doing. Just sit and do it.

Denis [00:36:07]:
Just complete that. If I'm just sitting, you're not gonna know what I'm doing.

Toliy [00:36:10]:
Just say it out loud.

Denis [00:36:12]:
Levitate.

Toliy [00:36:13]:
I'm saying pretend no one's here and meditate.

Eldar [00:36:18]:
Yeah, yeah. Would you.

Denis [00:36:21]:
Like what?

Eldar [00:36:21]:
Just sitting there. No, but. No, but, like, what you're saying to yourself. Can you just say it?

Denis [00:36:27]:
How about explain to you so he doesn't feel like I'm happy about the explanation, and then you explain to him. Can we do that?

Eldar [00:36:32]:
I just want to understand it.

Toliy [00:36:36]:
I want to see him meditate out loud for ten minutes. That's it. That's all I want. I don't want to explain to me what he's doing, why it's done, anything like that. Yeah, I want ten minutes of him meditating on this out loud. That's it.

Denis [00:36:49]:
That's all you would hear is nonstop repeating of who am I?

Toliy [00:36:55]:
Okay, but. But don't you.

Denis [00:36:57]:
Wait why I'm doing that. But you don't want to hear the back, do you?

Toliy [00:37:01]:
Reply back, though.

Denis [00:37:02]:
No point.

Eldar [00:37:04]:
He just keeps repeating the same thing over and over again, bro.

Denis [00:37:06]:
There's a reason for it.

Toliy [00:37:09]:
I thought you. You have some dialogue.

Denis [00:37:11]:
Yeah, I mean, like, if you're not gonna listen. You're not gonna have the patience to just listen to the underwriter. They're saying, like, there's. You gotta have, like, a philosophy behind whatever one it is one, but, like, it's b. It's like.

Toliy [00:37:24]:
But you like, okay, fine, fine, fine.

Denis [00:37:26]:
I try to show. I mean, I know.

Toliy [00:37:29]:
No, I don't want this trinket.

Eldar [00:37:30]:
No, no, don't shrink it.

Denis [00:37:32]:
You ask yourself, who am I? Because the concept is, you want to get to the self inquiry, the self inquiry process of inquiring. Like, who the fuck am I? Yeah, who am I when I say I for things, when I am doing, who am I? Am I this body? Am I these thoughts? Well, the. If you believe in the concept that we're. We're the soul, where consciousness. We're just chilling in this body, right?

Eldar [00:37:54]:
Mm hmm.

Denis [00:37:55]:
That's the idea here is if you have to buy, you have to buy into that, of course, which I buy into. So, like, then there's a location based on this practice of where the soul, or pure consciousness, likes to kind of rest. And it's like, in the heart center. That's why it's not like, just, you know, it seems like it's not just. What's the word? B's. Things where people say, speak from the heart, speak from the heart. I felt it in my heart, blah, blah. Like, there's a.

Denis [00:38:25]:
There's a, like in the body. There is based on this principles here, like, a little location of where your pure consciousness, where your soul is.

Toliy [00:38:32]:
So if somebody gets a heart replacement surgery, well, what would happen?

Denis [00:38:35]:
It's not in the heart. It's just in this heart area. That's why there's heart chakras and this chakra. There's all this shit. They have sciences to it that's been developed over all these thousands of years. Again, I'm giving you the layman's terms, right? Meaning, like, if you read it, it's a 17 page book. You would probably understand better than I'm. So again, I'm meditating on the fact that.

Denis [00:38:54]:
And the idea is his shit is like, yo, you eventually won't even need to be doing this. You're just doing this all the time. You don't even sit down for it. But in the beginning, you start because you. You are in. You're from your world. You're not understanding the concept that, like, you are actually not like, okay, I just thought about this computer. Like, I'm not.

Denis [00:39:10]:
I'm not that thought. So it's disassociating from the thought, disassociating from all that understanding that I'm pure consciousness now. Why not just like, okay, oh, namaste, I'm pure consciousness? No, because then, and I have myself experienced this. That's why I know, like, I believe it wholeheartedly. It's not about some buzz of commercialization through that process if you can keep working on that, right? And sometimes it doesn't even take so long. He says that the thoughts end up stopping because if you keep bringing yourself back to the awareness of who am I? Which is pure consciousness and not the mind or the body. I'm the soul just chilling in this body. That kind of self inquiry and understanding does something to the mind where it invalid.

Denis [00:39:55]:
Like, it's like all of a sudden it keeps running, running, running, but then after a while it's like, yo, what the fuck? Why are you not like, why are you not listening to me? Why are you not like, why are you not, like, acting on what I'm thinking or why are you not stopping on the thought and keeping connecting the thoughts more? And so it's almost like diffusing the mind because the mind then has no choice but to silence, start silencing, and come back home to rest with the pure consciousness areas. All of a sudden, things calm down. And this can take a long time if you have a lot going on. Sometimes it's like it could take a couple minutes, and then the after effects do last quite a while, but again, it's for sure temporary because then I go back to my state of a million thoughts. And this enlightened people, at least based on these ancient concepts, they've gotten to the point where they've understood that they are pure consciousness. And the mind just quiets down and then all of a sudden there's no more thoughts, right? And so they just stay in that place that is blissful, that is, that is just pure joy and pure love. And therefore all your actions, therefore, when you take it to the next level of like, well, wait a minute, but why are you not doing the philosophy of how to act in this situation or that situation or this or deal with James or deal with this or do it, blah, blah. Once you're in that state, which I can never, in words, explain to you, you'd have to experience it, right? It's experiential, whatever the word experiential.

Denis [00:41:11]:
In that state of no thought and you're actually connected to this guy, to the, to the. Just the consciousness, it's almost like impossible for you to do wrong, because it's just this, okay.

Toliy [00:41:25]:
And you feel right.

Denis [00:41:26]:
You just.

Toliy [00:41:26]:
Okay. And you feel.

Denis [00:41:28]:
You feel that you love, you do the right thing and then whatever. And then you. He says, then you use the mind for the shit that you like, y'all. If you need to think about something concrete, where you're doing, like, I got to do this math example, you use it, but you now the master of it, where you apply it to the disciplines that actually need it, where it's like, okay, like, I need to use it to do what's three plus three, but you don't need it in every moment of every thinking about everything. This, because this is the concept is this, too. It's a whole bunch of bullshit that's confusing you non stop anyways. And you keep trying to chase with the mind, trying to solve the problems, and you think, all right, I solved it. And then tomorrow a new problem comes up, similar, but it looks a little different.

Denis [00:42:02]:
And you try to use the mind again to solve it. And it's temporarily also like solving it. Then you keep getting. You just running in a circle. In a circle. And we run through this whole life trying to solve our problems with our mind not understanding that. It's just. If we quiet it, it's just a simple process of coming back home almost, for, you know, try not to.

Toliy [00:42:22]:
So, for example, how different is the concept of quieting and kind of choosing to forget it? Like, how are those two things different.

Denis [00:42:33]:
In this example, the quieting?

Eldar [00:42:34]:
It's.

Denis [00:42:35]:
I can't force. The thing is, you can't force it. So the difference is if you keep. Understand? I'm telling you, I experienced it. Like, again, I have to do. You got to keep doing this and keep. And the idea is he says it himself. These cats, all these ancient things say, like, you got to spill it over into your life.

Denis [00:42:51]:
It doesn't end. That's why I might get frustrated when cats are trolling me about all. Of course, it's temporary. You got it. The idea is to make it just like with anything, to apply it where.

Toliy [00:43:01]:
You just feel that it's for you. It's more effective to premature to be.

Eldar [00:43:06]:
In a group setting for now.

Denis [00:43:09]:
Okay.

Eldar [00:43:12]:
Well, yeah. Well, think about it. Because he says he doesn't have the power, the willpower right now to be able to extend that moment right in his life, that peaceful blissfulness right where he can able to show compassion to Jean.

Denis [00:43:26]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:43:27]:
No.

Denis [00:43:27]:
Yeah. So you feel you always got to do with the buzzword, like the little.

Eldar [00:43:32]:
Stab, but 100, that's how I'm understanding. What do you mean? You cannot defeat what I'm saying? This is exactly the experience that he's talking about.

Denis [00:43:40]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:43:41]:
Because he cannot, and it's not spilling over his life. He rather just remove himself from the situation for now, I hope, with the goal, and maybe you could confirm to be able to go back in the group setting, but with enough and willpower sustain.

Denis [00:43:56]:
And now when we tie back to the first concept of like, are we actually different? If I'm not mistaken. You guys could correct me if I'm wrong, but you were looking.

Eldar [00:44:03]:
You.

Denis [00:44:04]:
You did the relationships. You. You said yourself wrong. Right. You all. And now you're trying to. I gotta remove myself. Remove the tinder, remove the b's.

Denis [00:44:13]:
I gotta redo this baby steps, figure out myself how I am. Why did this happen? Go through your process?

Mike [00:44:19]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:44:19]:
So it's all the same kind of. You're trying to, like. It's that as well.

Eldar [00:44:25]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:44:25]:
It's just in this format of focusing on the mind, right. Where it's like. But. But 100%. Yeah. Like it. That. Is that right? Yeah.

Denis [00:44:34]:
I don't have the willpower to, you know, for instance, like, people talk, like talking shit or something. Like, I don't have the. I'm gonna go get you back. You, Siri, because, like, in the moment, I am. I am with the thoughts. I'm not.

Eldar [00:44:48]:
I'm not understanding what you like the kind of shit. No. A little bit.

Denis [00:44:51]:
That's your concepts. No, I don't like it. You keep saying that. You said that Friday. Yeah. You actually liked it. But no, I don't like it. I don't like who I am when I'm arguing, when I'm fighting.

Denis [00:45:00]:
Yeah, I like who I am when I'm in tune with this dude. Cool, whatever you want. Right. But when I'm out of tune with it.

Eldar [00:45:07]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:45:08]:
All of a sudden the mistakes happen.

Eldar [00:45:09]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:45:10]:
You know what I mean? And now I'm fighting and arguing about. Because in that moment, no, I am not taking a second even. Who am I to? Who do these thoughts belong to?

Toliy [00:45:19]:
Yeah, I think the difficulty.

Denis [00:45:20]:
Yo, fuck you. Who does the star belong to? Is that me? Is that pure consciousness? And if you could have that self inquiry, which as you see, there's still inquiry involved, there's still logic involved. You're still questioning.

Eldar [00:45:31]:
There's no. Yeah, you won't be able to do it without it.

Denis [00:45:33]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:45:34]:
You still have to have a reason.

Denis [00:45:36]:
You have to have a reason.

Eldar [00:45:37]:
Correct.

Denis [00:45:38]:
But the simple you, then you simplify with understanding. It's not about then trying to figure out a million logics. This is the only logic. Yo. Every interaction you're going in, you're not understanding who you actually are.

Eldar [00:45:49]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:45:49]:
And therefore, you're reacting or you're doing, and they're like, you're out of pocket.

Eldar [00:45:53]:
That's what I'm saying. Right now. He's not ready for a group setting, especially the one that's challenging. No, no, yeah, this is perfectly fine.

Denis [00:46:02]:
Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, you just. You just love to the way, you know, you. You, you know. You know. You know.

Eldar [00:46:09]:
You know, we know each other, bro. Yeah, I'm.

Toliy [00:46:11]:
No, no, but is he saying the reality of this scenario?

Denis [00:46:14]:
No, he's right. It's just, I know, like, you know what he's like. He's adding that, you know.

Eldar [00:46:19]:
Well, think about it, right? If the individual is not in tune but wants to be in tune. Right. This is his actual desire to be in tune. Right. He's like, yo, why are these environments, like, his dad environment, about the war, this environment with Mike and James, for example, and myself, about, like, you know, this. Whatever happened, happened. Why is he subjecting himself to that suffering when he knows, like, hey, I'm not ready yet. I'm gonna come back and gonna be better, but not right now.

Eldar [00:46:48]:
Like, that's a smart move.

Toliy [00:46:51]:
Yeah, but, but so, you know, okay.

Denis [00:46:55]:
Understanding now why I'm always with that. I always had a problem with that statement.

Eldar [00:47:02]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:47:02]:
Because I felt like it was also, like eating characters. Like, you will make sure to make jokes as if it's quitting or like, oh, he's just scared of the truth or whatever. That's why I always like, nah, nah, I'd rather suffer through.

Eldar [00:47:16]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:47:16]:
And no matter what, you didn't like.

Eldar [00:47:18]:
The fact that cats like me will say that you were quitter.

Denis [00:47:22]:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I would not. No, I'm not. I'm not gonna take that as. But, like, in reality. Yeah. Like, sometimes you need to be a quitter.

Denis [00:47:28]:
You gotta, you know, if the environment's, like, it's toxic, it's a delicate. You can, you can. You can take it. Hear me out. You can take it. It's very thin line because you can flip all of a sudden to living your life of, like, I'm just running away. And people like you will probably label people like me as that when they. When they want to make a good joke.

Eldar [00:47:47]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:47:47]:
But it's also a thin line of knowing, like, yo, like, who am I trying to prove? Like, if this is bringing me unhappiness and I know why I'm not bringing me unhappiness. And it's like, yo, you know what? Like, James is just this terrible human being. No, it's just like, that's not what you're going through.

Eldar [00:48:03]:
Right. You clearly going through say, hey, like, I'm a person who's not capable right now to deal with this situation.

Denis [00:48:09]:
Therefore, like, not even react to James and I react. Some of your comments or whatever.

Eldar [00:48:14]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:48:14]:
Talk about these kind of sensitive things. Specific to sensitive things.

Eldar [00:48:17]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:48:18]:
And I'm just like, yo, like, why you keep hitting the same as me? You're doing it for years.

Eldar [00:48:23]:
Yeah. Do you ever get the answer or no?

Denis [00:48:27]:
Well, what do you mean the answer?

Eldar [00:48:29]:
Well, you just ask yourself, right? Hey, hey, why are we doing the same thing over and over again?

Denis [00:48:32]:
Like, oh, yeah, what's the answer here? As I'll use the term, the willpower to understand, hey, like, you don't have to react.

Eldar [00:48:40]:
When do you know, like, when do you know that the willpower has filled up? Filled up enough to be able to come back?

Denis [00:48:45]:
I don't know that.

Eldar [00:48:47]:
I mean, you constantly, like, testing it, right?

Denis [00:48:48]:
Obviously, that's where, like, that's where I.

Eldar [00:48:50]:
Guess, like, if you keep hitting the same wall, like you said, y'all, like these. These K. These. These characters, like, you know, they provide this type of thing, right? You know, this d. Like, we're pretty consistent about ours, right?

Denis [00:49:01]:
Yeah. Comfort is a big thing for human beings.

Eldar [00:49:04]:
Okay?

Denis [00:49:04]:
Like, it's all I know, and I'm scared.

Eldar [00:49:07]:
So you keep returning to comfort.

Denis [00:49:08]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:49:09]:
Part of, broadly, the fuck, comfort is a good thing or bad thing.

Denis [00:49:14]:
You're almost comfortable in the suffering.

Eldar [00:49:15]:
Okay, cool. Buck is. Yeah, but it's comfort. The good thing or bad thing, like comfort itself, not yours in general.

Denis [00:49:22]:
It depends on how you look at it. But a lot of times it can be. I don't. I don't know if a lot of times we have to define it, but it could be bad for sure.

Eldar [00:49:29]:
No, no, but in general, let's give me a general definition of comfort for them, for the world. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? Comfort to be comfortable.

Denis [00:49:37]:
You know, not.

Eldar [00:49:38]:
Not the grinders, the redefinition of entrepreneurial spirit. Spirit. You know what I mean? Definition of comfort. And you need to get out of the comfort zone.

Denis [00:49:45]:
But. But that's the. That's the forget say again. It's not about grinders. There's truth in it. Whether it's been commercialized or not. It's true.

Eldar [00:49:53]:
All right, cool. You don't want to give me a definition?

Denis [00:49:55]:
No, I'll give my definition of that.

Eldar [00:49:56]:
Comfort would be because you use no.

Toliy [00:49:59]:
The answer is no.

Eldar [00:50:00]:
Other.

Toliy [00:50:01]:
Know what the comfort is?

Eldar [00:50:02]:
Not good.

Denis [00:50:04]:
It depends. But no, but that's what I said. No in the way you're talking about it here.

Eldar [00:50:09]:
No, they rewired him.

Denis [00:50:13]:
In the way you're talking about it here. No, it's not meaning, like, no, the.

Eldar [00:50:16]:
Way you're talking about.

Denis [00:50:18]:
If I'm like. It's like. What's the word?

Eldar [00:50:20]:
It's like abuse. Abusive.

Denis [00:50:22]:
Abusive home syndrome.

Eldar [00:50:23]:
It's an abusive relationship. Right.

Denis [00:50:24]:
Like, you keep in the same thing.

Eldar [00:50:26]:
Yeah, you can't. You kind of like this, but then.

Denis [00:50:27]:
You'Re like, what if I'm gonna miss that fomo also, you know?

Eldar [00:50:30]:
Oh, okay. So there's another thing.

Denis [00:50:32]:
There's another formal thing, all these things, but, like, none of that is the truth. You know what I mean?

Eldar [00:50:36]:
Like, yeah.

Denis [00:50:38]:
Comfortable in the example of the group chat. And again, you brought it up. It's not like a big. To be clear, this is not. Was like a. My God, I gotta get out of here. It's just on me. I'll make this decision.

Denis [00:50:47]:
That's it. But, like, I much rather develop, like, you know, also, like, for instance, it's knowing. Knowing. Putting systems in place like, you in a group setting, whether it's online or not. Yeah, you could, you know, you're not.

Eldar [00:51:00]:
My favorite of characters.

Denis [00:51:02]:
You're my favorite who we've developed through those nights of sitting together and talking about shit at your parents house. In your house.

Eldar [00:51:08]:
Yeah, yeah.

Denis [00:51:09]:
All the stuff just talking about, like, that one on one. For me personally.

Eldar [00:51:12]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:51:13]:
Like, that's the other that I love the most. That's my preference.

Eldar [00:51:15]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:51:15]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:51:16]:
I've heard this before from other people, so don't worry.

Denis [00:51:18]:
You have?

Mike [00:51:18]:
Of course.

Denis [00:51:19]:
From who?

Eldar [00:51:20]:
No, just how the people heard it. From Ilya.

Denis [00:51:22]:
Oh, well, no, sure. So what I'm saying is, like, that's my preference. You in group settings.

Eldar [00:51:27]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:51:28]:
Like, I can't force you to be that guy. You're this guy.

Eldar [00:51:31]:
But you tried.

Denis [00:51:32]:
Oh, for sure.

Mike [00:51:33]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:51:35]:
Like, why are you saying that in front of them? But, like, then you realize, like, yo, like, you can't. So, like, all right, why do I not have a system for understanding? Like, yo, like, if you're not cool with, like, you're not gonna change certain human beings.

Eldar [00:51:47]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:51:47]:
It's with anything. Right? Like, you know, I much rather, maybe develop a one on one relationship with Mike or with you, even with this guy.

Eldar [00:51:54]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Denis [00:51:55]:
You know, maybe that'll be better, right. Instead of hitting the same wall in a certain environments, like in these kind of discussions, y'all will blow up on me and I'm going one against three. I'm like, yo, how am I in this fucking situation every time? And they're trolling what I'm trying to just explain and I listen. But today we're actually not doing that. You know, and it's the same thing over and over again. But that doesn't mean that, like, you know, it's just the environment and me in that environment, I don't have the willpower enough to understand how to maneuver it. And so, like, I get, you think.

Eldar [00:52:21]:
One day you will.

Denis [00:52:22]:
I hope so.

Eldar [00:52:23]:
Is that what you're striving towards?

Denis [00:52:24]:
Because then if you go back to the who am I concept is real quick.

Eldar [00:52:27]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:52:28]:
That you're striving for from the beginning. Like the point of it is to get rid of it.

Eldar [00:52:32]:
So you're struggling, actually. Striving to do what then?

Denis [00:52:35]:
To be able to be all encompassing of that. Like, to be aware enough. Be aware to be aware of what? Who you are.

Eldar [00:52:42]:
Okay.

Denis [00:52:42]:
Which is that pure actual thing.

Eldar [00:52:44]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:52:45]:
To understand that in every interaction, like yelling, I'm not gonna react to, you just said something that hurts me. But then it's like, who's me? Okay, who did?

Eldar [00:52:54]:
Yeah, yeah.

Denis [00:52:55]:
Hurt my thought or hurt my ego.

Eldar [00:52:57]:
Okay, so, okay, so, like, if I.

Denis [00:52:58]:
In that moment can understand, like, yo, when others just said, yo, your meditation is bullshit. You faking it?

Eldar [00:53:03]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:53:05]:
In that moment, if I had the self inquiry willpower.

Eldar [00:53:08]:
But when does elder say that? The stuff about your meditation, all the stuff when you make certain claims, you.

Denis [00:53:16]:
Can make the case for that.

Eldar [00:53:17]:
But there is the case that your claims will still be said. Your claims will still be said. My reaction will still be said, but you will have a different response now.

Toliy [00:53:28]:
Or, dude, or is it gonna be.

Eldar [00:53:32]:
No, yo, don't go there.

Toliy [00:53:34]:
I'm going home. I'm going home if the answer is yes.

Denis [00:53:37]:
Go ahead, say that again. Cuz I was picking it up, then I got distracted.

Eldar [00:53:40]:
Yeah, always. Yeah. Okay, do you understand the first part?

Mike [00:53:43]:
No.

Eldar [00:53:44]:
No.

Toliy [00:53:44]:
You have to repeat it again.

Eldar [00:53:46]:
Okay. Are you striving. Are you striving towards still?

Toliy [00:53:54]:
Yeah. I cannot believe.

Eldar [00:53:57]:
What do you want me to do?

Toliy [00:53:59]:
I cannot believe.

Eldar [00:54:00]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:54:01]:
For a moment before I want you to finish it, but here in this moment. No, I'm not. It's not one of those. I'm not arguing. I'm actually against me.

Eldar [00:54:09]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:54:09]:
In that moment, this, this guy, this cat is like doing these.

Eldar [00:54:13]:
I'm in that moment like you follow.

Denis [00:54:17]:
The mind is saying, seriously?

Eldar [00:54:20]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:54:21]:
No, it's not. It click with me about what other is saying.

Eldar [00:54:24]:
Yahoo.

Denis [00:54:25]:
I'm just dealing for a moment before you finish that.

Eldar [00:54:28]:
Yes.

Denis [00:54:28]:
This environment is like, you got to.

Toliy [00:54:30]:
Be the same person, say the same shit.

Denis [00:54:36]:
Okay, well, anyway, skipping that. Go ahead, finish running back.

Eldar [00:54:39]:
Okay. My question is, right. Dennis is still going to come here, say, say his, put in my words nonsense or whatever. Right?

Mike [00:54:45]:
Yes.

Eldar [00:54:45]:
You will get the same. He's going to get the same reaction from Mikey here, elder here and tolly over there. Okay. But now, right. He has enough abundance of willpower that he's meditated enough to be able to withstand the. The stuff that's gonna come his way.

Mike [00:55:03]:
Yes. Right.

Eldar [00:55:08]:
Yeah. Or are we saying that an individual has. Has some kind of more willpower to not say certain things in the first place so then he doesn't get the reactions from the individual question?

Denis [00:55:19]:
I'd like to answer that.

Eldar [00:55:20]:
Okay, cool.

Denis [00:55:21]:
I would, I would. The first part is very important. The first part would you say, okay, come here and say you're nonsense. Yeah, I can. I can. Reflecting back on Friday. Well, because I remember.

Eldar [00:55:33]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:55:34]:
Wholeheartedly know that there was no, like, this wasn't a situation. The problem is.

Eldar [00:55:38]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:55:39]:
When you're coming into environments with those other people have a different agenda, which is troll and just like whatever. They already want to hear you.

Eldar [00:55:45]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:55:45]:
Right. Like it's. I came in and I wasn't even, like, this wasn't a scenario. You would be right on this if this of the talk, your nonsense if I came in.

Eldar [00:55:56]:
So I only call the nonsense because like I want for the. For the effect.

Denis [00:56:00]:
Of course. It's always for the effect.

Eldar [00:56:01]:
No, no, no. Just. Just. So what's to happen? No, no, 100% exactly.

Denis [00:56:04]:
So that's called the effect. No.

Eldar [00:56:06]:
So you can understand what I'm. Yeah.

Denis [00:56:08]:
So if you remember.

Eldar [00:56:10]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:56:12]:
Catherine started talking about the mind and you were talking about defining the mind and being the moment.

Eldar [00:56:16]:
Yeah, yeah.

Denis [00:56:17]:
And I like that. So I was talking about it more and then I was telling Katherine just like y'all, and I relate. She was talking about something about calming the mind, my guy. I actually really, I just. Yesterday I was doing this blah, blah, blah. And like there was overwhelmed blah, blah. And I was given that example. And then we just talked about.

Denis [00:56:35]:
You asked me what is your definition? Right? I don't. I didn't come in here, tell you yo, it's the hottest shit, my dude. Mm hmm. Yoga class. I'm a staying. That's not what happened.

Eldar [00:56:47]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:56:48]:
If I. That's what happened. Then there's more effect to what you're saying. It was like, talk your bullshit and blah. Then, like, it's. It's bullshit. It's bullshit. That's not the point.

Eldar [00:56:55]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:56:55]:
Like, on Friday, I genuinely wear it where it went off course.

Eldar [00:57:00]:
Okay. Yeah.

Denis [00:57:00]:
You say that was just jokes that, you know. Yeah, I just do ten. And then he jumped on the ten. I don't remember all the details. Then you jump up, and then all of a sudden where I go, of course.

Eldar [00:57:10]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:57:11]:
I forget about who am I? It's like, yeah, these cats trying to, like, they're not even understanding what I'm saying. Like, why are they trying to, like, yo, yo. They're trying to ragdoll me and the concept.

Eldar [00:57:21]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:57:22]:
And, like. And my egos, like, yeah.

Eldar [00:57:23]:
Like, yeah, this our shit. Exactly. Yeah.

Denis [00:57:26]:
And they're not even getting it. Give me the chance to explain.

Eldar [00:57:28]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:57:29]:
And they just said that. And then there's these two women here, and now I'm embarrassed. And this guy. So it becomes the situation where people in these kind of circumstances.

Eldar [00:57:37]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:57:38]:
In social settings.

Eldar [00:57:39]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:57:39]:
Don't. Like, that's why they either. Whatever. Like, either they get upset or to get aggressive or whatever.

Eldar [00:57:43]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:57:44]:
Because, like, in that moment, I'm not. I'm not understanding, like, okay. Even for a moment, who am I? Who are these thoughts that I. I just.

Eldar [00:57:52]:
I just want to know what you can.

Denis [00:57:53]:
They belong.

Eldar [00:57:54]:
When you start having this abundance of willpower, you keep saying, calling it, right. Where will the. Well, how would this, like, scenario play out? I would just.

Denis [00:58:03]:
I'm explaining, in this situation, this happened.

Eldar [00:58:04]:
Like, the monkey in the round happened.

Denis [00:58:06]:
No, no. Yeah, everything happened. I thought I told it about ten minutes.

Eldar [00:58:10]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:58:10]:
And again, I can. I can order the grave knowing that I didn't tell the talent.

Eldar [00:58:13]:
What do you do?

Denis [00:58:14]:
What do you. Like, I just told her, like, yeah, I try. I've been trying this recently, and that was helping me. And I was just talking about the lifting of the weight. I was like, yo, it's so clouded in that I wasn't even talking about enlightenment, none of that. Then it was jumped on and, you know, tore me apart.

Eldar [00:58:31]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:58:31]:
But then I. Where went off. Were you saying if I had it?

Eldar [00:58:34]:
Yes, yes, yes. Explain to your point. Yes.

Denis [00:58:37]:
In that moment, I would just simply have. In that instant, just. Just have enough of the awareness in the moment to realize, yo, okay. I'm feeling this. I'm still maybe feeling, okay. I'm feeling a little hurt or whatever, offended, whatever.

Eldar [00:58:50]:
Okay.

Denis [00:58:52]:
Who do these feelings and thoughts belong to? And if I could go through that self inquiry that I could do in the peaceful moment, do it in the moment of conflict.

Eldar [00:59:00]:
I mean, should we give you that time and moment in order to gather yourself?

Denis [00:59:04]:
Let's not go there. You, this way.

Eldar [00:59:06]:
No. What?

Denis [00:59:07]:
In that moment. Why are you snarking in that moment? And again, as you get. As you get good. It's just like anything, right? Like, you. It would be instant where it's like.

Eldar [00:59:15]:
Oh, yeah, okay, okay.

Denis [00:59:17]:
I'm not reacting.

Eldar [00:59:18]:
So you, then you don't walk out. You don't walk out of the chat room anymore.

Denis [00:59:21]:
You stay, like, you know, but you.

Eldar [00:59:24]:
Go on kind of like a silent solitude.

Denis [00:59:26]:
You would say, in the moments where it's like, yo, like, this is not like, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. If I'm understood why, then, yeah, but.

Eldar [00:59:34]:
Why would the individ see, like, I still have a problem with that if in that moment.

Toliy [00:59:37]:
Because what you were, what I was going crazy about what you said. That's exactly what he's saying.

Eldar [00:59:43]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:59:44]:
He's saying that, like, in the future, there will be a person that could be in that chat room and just be non reactive to those kinds of things, but not a person that has physically changed through all these years of doing this.

Eldar [00:59:57]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:59:59]:
If he's silent, then he's physically changed.

Toliy [01:00:02]:
Yeah, but the things that he says that led to those kind of reactions from other people to begin with, that he's still that person.

Denis [01:00:09]:
But that's. Again, you missed my first part of challenging him about the fact that, like, if it's nonsense, then of course, that's, like, it doesn't. It doesn't equate. But when it's, like, real shit.

Eldar [01:00:20]:
Real shit.

Denis [01:00:21]:
We can take the example of the fact that my man, like, y'all troll about everything. You could say. You could say, hi.

Eldar [01:00:27]:
It's all, I think we're pretty good at our trolls. We know which ones to pick and which ones not to.

Denis [01:00:32]:
I think you're giving yourself a little bit of a benefit.

Eldar [01:00:37]:
Sorry, guys. You know what? Let the public judge. Yeah. By the way, our streamless plug real quick. If you have any questions and you want us to troll the fuck out of you, go to on Dennis Rocks, calm and ask Dennis. If you want to ask Dennis any questions, go to ask page on Dennis rocks. Calm it all.

Denis [01:00:55]:
It's all encompassing on the front end and the back end. Because if you're understanding who you actually are, right. You're not saying the nonsense in the first place. Right. You're not putting yourself in. Because even there, you're also saying, like, is there a reason why? Am I saying. Am I saying this to bowls, to my saying whatever. Yeah, my argument there was on Friday, it was.

Denis [01:01:14]:
I didn't come from that.

Eldar [01:01:14]:
He was a silent monk. Like a nice monk that day. And we still fucked it up. No, I get it, bro.

Denis [01:01:29]:
Why didn't say that?

Eldar [01:01:31]:
I don't know.

Denis [01:01:31]:
It's funny, like for what? For him to give.

Eldar [01:01:34]:
Oh, yeah.

Denis [01:01:35]:
You know, come on.

Eldar [01:01:36]:
I have to detain the crowd, right?

Denis [01:01:38]:
Like I just. Yeah, yeah, I was just mentioning Catherine. I was vibing.

Toliy [01:01:42]:
Yeah, I guess then, like. Yeah, I mean, like, I still don't see how.

Eldar [01:01:45]:
Why he's gonna be subject himself if he's still gonna feel hurt. Sooner or later, the eject button is gonna be pressed.

Mike [01:01:51]:
Yeah, yeah.

Eldar [01:01:52]:
Yes or no, mom?

Denis [01:01:53]:
I'm trying to figure out here the idea here in ultimate goal, which is.

Eldar [01:01:57]:
Which I don't continue to subject yourself to hurt pain from individuals. Still feel it a little bit, but be silent and kind of like, okay, cool. I understand the situation for what is that? It's not me. No, motherfucker, it is you. We're attacking cuz you say some nonsense.

Denis [01:02:09]:
Let's see. We're arguing two different layers. Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm trying to like merge it. There is no nonsense. If there's true nonsense. If there's true nonsense, yeah, we can individual observer.

Eldar [01:02:21]:
If this real. If it's not nonsense, the individual observer never gets offended and never has to go through. Through a painful thing of.

Denis [01:02:29]:
That's what I just told him. That's on the back end. If you're aware in that moment as well, you're not saying the nonsense in the first place.

Eldar [01:02:35]:
I don't see. I don't think the trolls is up.

Denis [01:02:39]:
You're giving the connection between your troll is just the purest. Like we're only trying always worth always words. I don't believe that. I mean.

Eldar [01:02:49]:
No, no, I think the troll itself, right. Like, if the troll has to be connected to something to be able to trigger something, and it usually triggers something. Without that trigger, that troll expires.

Toliy [01:03:01]:
Yeah, like if your shit you can't get, but it's not.

Eldar [01:03:04]:
You can't get touched.

Denis [01:03:05]:
No, I agree. That's the whole point of not reacting. However, the troll in itself, like when you're saying, like, you still, it's. You're trying to hurt the person. No question about it. Break down the definition. You're trying to hurt the person in whatever way you want to call it. Like, having you like to always benefits if the person actually then kind of fucks you about it.

Denis [01:03:27]:
You guys, I'm sorry.

Mike [01:03:28]:
Hurt challenge, whatever.

Eldar [01:03:29]:
That it. Whatever word. Whatever japanese word you want to use. Yeah.

Denis [01:03:31]:
Yo, can't we have fun? Yo, d, we just have a fun here, you know?

Eldar [01:03:34]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:03:34]:
It's like the cop out of cooling. So at the expense of some other individual, you're willing to have a laugh. That's what we have to define it as, right at its core. And then you want to.

Eldar [01:03:44]:
Then you can. If the individual allows for it. Yes.

Denis [01:03:46]:
Well, no, but there's plenty of. I've been here 13 years or however long. There's a lot of individuals that didn't, like, say, yeah, you know what? You give it to me.

Eldar [01:03:52]:
Yeah. No, plenty of people have to leave. If they can't stand the heat, they have to leave the kitchen.

Denis [01:03:56]:
Obviously, that's an unfortunate way to live that you got to always kind of like, be like, yeah. Like us against them. Kind of. What do you mean?

Eldar [01:04:03]:
Also getting them.

Mike [01:04:05]:
Survival of the fittest.

Eldar [01:04:08]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:04:09]:
We aren't this trolling something like, we really got, like, power with the trollsters.

Eldar [01:04:14]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:04:14]:
And these other people just don't have the stomach for it. But that's fine if that's your pansies.

Eldar [01:04:19]:
Right.

Denis [01:04:20]:
That's how you live.

Eldar [01:04:20]:
No, bar. They punch your pansies or.

Denis [01:04:22]:
No, you would have to unequivocally believe, which I think you do, that all you're trolling is just purely, purely, like, help entertainment. No. Helpful and aidful to the snapping out of the person from there or whatever. And I, from my experience.

Eldar [01:04:42]:
Listen, but I'm a stamina guy. I'm a stamina guy, D. I'm a stamina guy.

Mike [01:04:46]:
D. Okay.

Eldar [01:04:47]:
You know what I'm saying? I'm a long distance runner.

Denis [01:04:50]:
Yeah. You know, I mean, back to your core thing. Like, I agree with you, bro. Like, you. You can't. It's not. It's not about just saying nonsense. It's about that same concept, which again, see, again, you.

Denis [01:04:59]:
You.

Eldar [01:05:02]:
Want to make this.

Mike [01:05:03]:
Yeah. Understand what he's saying? And it sounds like he's trying to. He's trying to do something crazy, trying to hack this shit.

Denis [01:05:12]:
Hack what? That's put. That's what this is.

Mike [01:05:15]:
This is. He wants to figure out a way to do without, like, doing it.

Toliy [01:05:19]:
Whoa, well, no, but that is by quieting the mind.

Denis [01:05:22]:
That's my one. That's my point.

Mike [01:05:24]:
So employ virtues or, like, yield virtues.

Eldar [01:05:27]:
Oh, my God.

Mike [01:05:28]:
Yeah, but by being silent, he thinks he'll be able to weld those items.

Denis [01:05:32]:
Well, it's not about silence.

Eldar [01:05:34]:
You're saying he's trying to fucking build a house out of straw, son.

Denis [01:05:37]:
But. But you're defining.

Eldar [01:05:39]:
In the hurricane season in Florida, he's.

Mike [01:05:42]:
Able to slow his mind and tap into that inner consciousness. He will have those qualities of all the virtues that we speaking about.

Denis [01:05:50]:
Yeah, yeah. Can you believe that? That's it. But here. Here's where the. Here's where then testing. A and b testing has to come in. Well, like, if you. If you read it, it's 17 pages.

Denis [01:06:00]:
Let's say just what I'm saying.

Eldar [01:06:05]:
But.

Denis [01:06:05]:
But that's. That's a good point. That's part of the point. We are just like me on your end. We judge the other side, cuz, like, y'all shit is four. And he's trying to, like. That don't make no sense. But, like, we didn't try both things.

Denis [01:06:16]:
You know what I mean? I'm talking about the actual thing. I'm not talking about just like you went to some meditation class because there was fat girl instructor, fat booty instructor.

Mike [01:06:22]:
I did go to one, y'all.

Denis [01:06:24]:
I'm talking about like, you try my shit, me and you sit, we read the 17 pages. Thank God it's only 17, for example. And we don't do it together. And then you say, like, yo, yo, d, I did your shit. This don't make like this. This don't make no type of sense. I don't feel no type of way. And it didn't connect at all.

Denis [01:06:39]:
I don't see how this is be sustainable to my everyday life. Say no more.

Eldar [01:06:43]:
Then, like, last mike, 17 pages.

Denis [01:06:45]:
Then we can. We can debunk it. We can really debunk it where it's like, yo, debunk.

Eldar [01:06:49]:
I don't believe that. No, you will not debunk nothing.

Denis [01:06:52]:
You know, if we, if we. If I.

Eldar [01:06:55]:
It's like, are you inviting right now to poke holes in your thing?

Denis [01:06:59]:
1000 for this? We wouldn't know.

Toliy [01:07:02]:
You should. What he's about to offer back.

Eldar [01:07:05]:
Okay, guy. Oh, you go on his camp.

Toliy [01:07:08]:
Yes, he was just about to say that.

Eldar [01:07:11]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:07:12]:
Yes, I was first talking. I wasn't going there yet, but I mean, we could go.

Eldar [01:07:17]:
Well, no, it's only fair. Just say no.

Toliy [01:07:19]:
He was just saying. Yeah, Mike. Mike doesn't work for me.

Denis [01:07:25]:
Timeout. You're right. But the value, the variable.

Eldar [01:07:28]:
Yes.

Denis [01:07:29]:
I'm not saying his shit just completely doesn't work. I'm actually saying that his shit is very similar to my shit, but a different word. He or he, probably you too, are, let's call it them, are saying that my shit unequivocally doesn't work because of the whole one, whole two, whole three.

Eldar [01:07:44]:
Yes.

Denis [01:07:45]:
Right. I'm not saying that removing things that you don't like necessarily doesn't work. I'm actually saying, like, I don't. I don't agree with the wording, but when I look at what I'm doing, it's very similar. So therefore I'm not. I would have to. I could try his stuff, but then I would. I would still come to my same conclusion.

Denis [01:08:03]:
Like, are we doing the same thing? We just calling it a different thing.

Toliy [01:08:05]:
No, but I don't think that you got. Yeah, but I think that. That Mike. I don't think that you and Mike are in agreements that you guys are doing the same.

Denis [01:08:15]:
I know.

Toliy [01:08:15]:
Okay, now let me ask you this. Are you willing. No, but I'm saying this, like, in this whole scenario.

Denis [01:08:22]:
Right.

Toliy [01:08:22]:
Like, the things that you listed, those are the things that you want in life. Right. And the way that you ought to live. Right. Are you. Are you. My first question, I guess, in my two part question is, one, are you attached with getting there a particular way?

Eldar [01:08:38]:
Well, of course he is. He has way. Well, no, he doesn't have to answer this. You make it a painful friend, the core of it.

Denis [01:08:46]:
Yet I'm attached to the way of what I believe is the. Is the right way, which is. Which is quieting the mind. Yeah.

Toliy [01:08:55]:
You are attached to it.

Denis [01:08:56]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:08:57]:
And then some of the right even asked that.

Denis [01:08:59]:
They're not directly related. Some of those.

Toliy [01:09:01]:
No, but I'm saying that, like, for.

Denis [01:09:03]:
Instance, making the smoothies. Now I make it for, honestly, this is my thing. Like, I'm gonna.

Toliy [01:09:07]:
No, no, but I'm asking, like, are you, are you, are you willing, like, do you have margin for error that your way is incorrect or will not work for you?

Denis [01:09:19]:
If I was, and yes, I'm not as much of even worried about, like, it's answered two ways. Number one is like, I'm not worried about like, because, can I be wrong?

Toliy [01:09:33]:
Sure, 100% no, but do you actually believe that?

Denis [01:09:36]:
Because I like, because I've now looked at many things and then this last, it was a couple of years back already that I learned about this, but then I kind of do it once in a while. Then I'm trying to now do more. All the philosophies point to the same thing, so it's not about me. I won't call philosophies. I don't want to confuse you with Socrates. All the spiritual teachings point to the same thing. They get. They.

Denis [01:10:00]:
There's details of it. There's this deity with this one. There's this guy with that one.

Toliy [01:10:05]:
What if you would be.

Denis [01:10:06]:
What if you go to the same thing, like, yo?

Toliy [01:10:08]:
Yeah, but what if it doesn't work for you, though?

Denis [01:10:11]:
But I'm already experientially telling you that it is in my small moments.

Toliy [01:10:14]:
No, but what. What if it never is able to expand towards larger moments? Like, do you have in that list I wrote?

Eldar [01:10:19]:
Like, you're tired and you'll move on. You come up with something else. Who creates something other?

Denis [01:10:23]:
Shit, I'll answer that. He wanted to answer for me. I'll answer for you.

Eldar [01:10:26]:
I list.

Toliy [01:10:27]:
I wrote.

Denis [01:10:27]:
I don't know if they showed it, but I wrote. I said, you know, it'd be nice to figure, encompass it into this. Enlightenment is what I would call it, to finally get it fully at all times. But if I don't get it in his birth, that's okay. Like, I'm cool with, like, this, because I've seen what it's like to just now just pursue it. It's already great. You know what I'm saying? Like, and even in those moments, seeing, like, yo, but, yeah, Joe, this shit, this is like, this is some next level shit. And I didn't take no mushrooms.

Denis [01:10:55]:
I didn't fucking smoke no nothing. I didn't have to go.

Toliy [01:10:57]:
But do you have that experience that you're just talking about right now, outside of the meditation?

Denis [01:11:04]:
Yeah, yeah, I'm trying. For instance, a couple times, I've tried it with, again, it takes a lot of awareness to do it. But like, with. With Osley a couple times where she's talking, I'm like, yo, yo, just who am I?

Eldar [01:11:18]:
Like, to her, to yourself in my.

Denis [01:11:20]:
Head, self inquire like, you have a thought when I'm talking to you. My backhand. And you're already saying, why is he telling me the history of it? You're having that thought, right?

Toliy [01:11:28]:
But you're still able to do that the same way and listen to what you say.

Eldar [01:11:31]:
Oh, my God.

Denis [01:11:32]:
It's a split second. It's like a split second. I'm not like, who am I?

Toliy [01:11:36]:
Okay, okay. Say this. Okay. Now what happens now saying some shit, I can.

Denis [01:11:42]:
I can answer and interact from the space of that awareness of, like, yo, like, if, like, I'm. Again, that's why I'm being very careful with using the words, because then it'll play into the commercialization. I am love. I am this pure consciousness. Therefore, how am I going to treat this human being in front of me, right? Or how am I going to react if she just said something that triggers something? What is it triggering? Is this me? Or is this. This thought that I'm connected and attached to something? That this is my identity of something and all these ideas and that. And that's the process that instantaneously kind of goes on ideally, right? I've tried. You know, I'll walk and I'll do it.

Denis [01:12:18]:
Just kind of like, yo. Like, I'm like, I'll be thinking too much. I'm like, I'll snap out myself out of it. Like, yo, who am I? It's like, yo, black. Like, just. I just have to walk here. Like, yo, this is fucking fantastic. I'm just here.

Denis [01:12:29]:
I'm present. That's why we were tying it. I was tying it into. With the present stuff. I'm just here. And of course, it's baby steps. The idea, of course, is to be able to sit in a room full of knuckleheads wherever, ripping you apart for all your theories. And.

Eldar [01:12:40]:
And are we, like level one boss or level time?

Denis [01:12:43]:
Oh, you're very different. We're good. Very, very. Because you. You pressed all the right buttons and you know exactly how to, like, are we know the person?

Eldar [01:12:51]:
Are we above? Are we above your parents or below?

Denis [01:12:54]:
My parents ain't shit compared to you. Really? Nothing.

Eldar [01:12:57]:
Wow.

Denis [01:12:58]:
Especially because you understand if I'm going one against three constantly.

Eldar [01:13:01]:
Yeah, but there's one versus two, homeboy.

Denis [01:13:04]:
Yeah, but they don't have the skill set to.

Eldar [01:13:06]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:13:06]:
Homeboy jumps on, says something. Are you trying to say this homeboy over here dies in his t shirt so much? Yeah, you know what I mean? You're the top tier of the boss. Testing.

Eldar [01:13:23]:
Listen, yo, good to hear. I can't wait for you to return with the right tool. No, no, but you know what I mean? No, for now, I see that you have to. You have to be in a silent retreat almost. Yeah. Yo, for now, you on the silent retreat. You know, Mike, I.

Denis [01:13:41]:
The only challenge that I said here is when we make the statements on the other of somebody else's theories. If we. If we didn't experientially try it, at least truly I'm not talking about whatever.

Eldar [01:13:51]:
You thought, like, don't be biased, Mike. Open minded, please.

Toliy [01:13:55]:
Then I think it's a good challenger.

Denis [01:13:58]:
This would be the same thing.

Mike [01:13:59]:
He's ready to volunteer.

Denis [01:14:00]:
Yo, this is the same thing that we talked about on Friday where it's like, yo, let's define what we're debating. Same thing here. It's like, let's define what we're judging. Let's not just say meditation is defined.

Mike [01:14:10]:
Or like, this, where I came for.

Denis [01:14:13]:
Let's. Let's. Let's. Let's study the concept. Let's say. And thankfully, this concept is very short. That's why I gravitated. Was like, yo, there's no b's.

Denis [01:14:19]:
Fluff. You know, I've been through that ringer, too. Yeah, gurus is like, yo, my man, here's what it is. I'm not your fucking guru. This is the concept. All the teachings point back to the same thing. This is why x, y, z, bb. Do this and you'll.

Denis [01:14:31]:
And if you see it, you see, if you don't, you don't. And I saw it now it's about applying it to the rest of my life and consistently doing it to be able to manifest in my. But you think just in a piece of my.

Mike [01:14:41]:
Quiet.

Toliy [01:14:41]:
Do you think that you're susceptible to getting scammed? This kind of shit?

Eldar [01:14:44]:
Oh, my God.

Mike [01:14:45]:
Damn.

Eldar [01:14:47]:
How can I not react to certain things?

Denis [01:14:48]:
No, I.

Mike [01:14:49]:
Like.

Denis [01:14:49]:
No, listen, you can react to anything that is, you know.

Eldar [01:14:52]:
Okay, cool.

Denis [01:14:53]:
It's the timing.

Eldar [01:14:54]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:14:54]:
And, you know.

Toliy [01:14:56]:
No, I'm just saying that, like, susceptible.

Eldar [01:14:57]:
To these type of things.

Toliy [01:14:58]:
Like, do you have any, like.

Eldar [01:15:00]:
No, but this guy doesn't have a horse in a race. He's not alive anymore. He's not asking to buy any books. He doesn't have an ashram. And he said he was free. You know what I said? 17 page book. Like, there's nothing there.

Denis [01:15:10]:
Thing is, 1417.

Eldar [01:15:12]:
So, like, this is like a league.

Toliy [01:15:14]:
Of legends is also free game.

Eldar [01:15:16]:
This is true, too. But you have to buy the skins.

Toliy [01:15:20]:
No, you don't have to know.

Eldar [01:15:21]:
You don't have to, but you will.

Denis [01:15:25]:
So you're trying to solve what I'm saying. And that's the. That's why I don't necessarily always fuck with philosophy because I gave you something, right? I said, yo, this is what I'm like. I'm trying to explain it. You use. You deployed your mind to say, like, yo, let me scan this individual. What's his receipts? Well, Nithyananda Ito was God, blah, blah, blah. You look at this, and you're like, yo, all right.

Denis [01:15:48]:
My mind tells me, like, yo, like, I'm gonna challenge this with that versus if we actually apply, which is his concept, on Friday, which is like, you'll define things or. Or be on the same page with things. The real shit would be like, yo, all right, cool. Let's all. Let's do it. Let's say in theory, right, or whatever the case.

Toliy [01:16:03]:
Right?

Denis [01:16:04]:
Whatever it is, let's do it. Or let's define it. And then it's like, all right. I can. I can attest that, like, this is how I felt doing this or feeling this or whatever. I don't fuck with your definition, like, the happiness thing. And then it's like, okay, cool. Like, there's nothing else to debate.

Denis [01:16:19]:
But the debates happen because different individuals have different perceptions of whatever the one person is saying, and then the other person says different. But we're never actually just on the same page. But it's probably a lot easier to just do it.

Eldar [01:16:30]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:16:31]:
You're saying there's no way to logically disprove your theory without trying it.

Denis [01:16:35]:
Yeah, no, you can. You can. You can make.

Eldar [01:16:37]:
You judging it.

Denis [01:16:38]:
So, yeah, it would just be. It would just be you from your experience, right? Like, just, like when you were talking about discipline, and then we kind of tapped in for a moment for the fact that, like, you're saying, like, you started your discipline after you got hurt, right? I'm. I started my discipline. Not after I got hurt, like, from a relationship. So you're like, yeah, I started my discipline. I was no good because I started after that. And so, for me, that was, like, an interesting thing. I'm not, like, talking shit.

Denis [01:17:01]:
It was just an interesting thing where it's, like, the motivation for things is important. So you started hustling for the lambo because, like, yo, like, I'm not doing that shit no more. Love is dead for now. Or, like, I got hurt. You know what I mean? It's time to hustle.

Mike [01:17:12]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:17:12]:
But I'm tapping into it in all my, like, as I call it, consumable discipline for the purpose of, like, yo, I had this laziness. I had this problem. But I'm not, like, super, like, I guess you could say it's also a hurt. Everything we kind of get, we experience, we want to change it. But I'm not hurt by, like, a relationship. So I'm trying to get lambo. You know what I'm saying? I'm just hurt by, like, yo, like, I want to be better. And these things are starting to, like, help.

Denis [01:17:35]:
So it's all about our relationship to the thing, too. You know what I mean? Same thing here. You're looking. That's why it's irritating. You know, it's challenging, we'll call it, because to dialogue, this thing is like, you guys have 38 years of experience of what meditators do or what they act like or what they, you know, the deannas of the world and whoever else.

Eldar [01:17:56]:
The Dennis. The previous dentist.

Denis [01:17:57]:
Dennis is the swamiji world for sure. I was gonna say that, but, you know, the actual topic at hand here of what it is, it's like, it's just being judged based on that versus just like, all right, cool.

Mike [01:18:10]:
But you're saying that there's no way to logically discuss the practice and see if it's rooted in.

Denis [01:18:16]:
There is.

Eldar [01:18:18]:
You have to read the text, Mike. Yeah, but it's also. It's also. You have to read it, but then you probably also have to try it.

Mike [01:18:25]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:18:25]:
Because, as he says, if you follow the text and the guidelines here, you will feel a specific benefit from it. So then you won't have to then be the judge whether or not that.

Denis [01:18:34]:
Benefit is actually beneficial.

Eldar [01:18:36]:
Yeah. First of all, if it happened or not. Yeah.

Denis [01:18:38]:
I came with a coconuts. I'm, like, moving this shit. Yeah. What the fuck you talking about?

Mike [01:18:43]:
Just conceptually. Just conceptually. I. It doesn't make sense to me, the process.

Denis [01:18:47]:
Well, that's why we're saying that.

Mike [01:18:49]:
Like, who am I saying? That I don't exist.

Denis [01:18:52]:
Like, that's what I'm saying. The other problem is when we're. When we are as human beings, like, discussing things, we're watering down the concept of how maybe it could be best. Best. That's why it's. We just read it.

Eldar [01:19:04]:
That's why you have a concentrated 17 pages. Concentrated. So you can't dilute that. So read it.

Denis [01:19:12]:
But, you know, it could be next year if you want.

Mike [01:19:14]:
Okay, sure.

Denis [01:19:16]:
I know you like.

Eldar [01:19:18]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:19:18]:
I mean, I say, like, you know, if these saying, you know, come to his world and might come to his world and try it, you know, and he's willing to come to Mike's world.

Eldar [01:19:28]:
Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah. Like, Mike's world's not even defined right there.

Denis [01:19:34]:
Next time.

Eldar [01:19:35]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:19:36]:
Right.

Eldar [01:19:36]:
You know?

Denis [01:19:37]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:19:38]:
I think come to my. Mike's world probably involves, like, Mike's understanding of, like, the way he solves problems. You're saying of examination.

Eldar [01:19:46]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:19:47]:
He would have to be.

Eldar [01:19:51]:
A no, that would be up to him. Yeah, that would be fair. If, you know, you try yours. You try yours.

Denis [01:19:56]:
Yeah, I'd be. Yeah, why not? You know, but I'd like for him to. Because this is a topic at hand and because, like I said, my alibi here is I don't refer necessarily we saying he was refuting what I'm saying to even it outwards. All right. Now, after actually getting firsthand of it and actually experientially trying it. Oh, yo.

Mike [01:20:15]:
Oh, yeah, the case. I'm definitely ready to try it. I don't have to wait next year. What is the case if Dennis is wanting to, you know, drink the same pool as me?

Denis [01:20:27]:
Let's. Let's be. Let's define here. Like, what I'm saying is scare him now, bro. Yeah. I'm saying a 17 page currency.

Eldar [01:20:34]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:20:35]:
Like, they'll follow you around for a year. Like, I'm not doing.

Eldar [01:20:37]:
Yeah, you see, it's also consumable, kid.

Mike [01:20:39]:
It's like ten minutes a day.

Eldar [01:20:42]:
Keeps mic away.

Denis [01:20:46]:
In that moment, I got a decision. Like, yo, react to that or not. Like, stand by whatever I believe in.

Eldar [01:20:51]:
You did well.

Denis [01:20:52]:
No, I still reacted.

Eldar [01:20:53]:
No, but you did better.

Denis [01:20:55]:
I'm not just like, I'm not like, oh, man, things have to withstand with you. Yeah, I'm nothing.

Toliy [01:21:06]:
Question. Can you. Can you. Are you able? So. So, like, like, talk about it?

Denis [01:21:12]:
Yeah, I'll let you finish up. Sorry, but it's, like, a waste of time. That's why we say, like, yo, this is because, like, if there's a topic at hand or experience. Experience or experiment at hand, we just got to do it. Like, life is just, like, instead of just, like, talking about it. You know what I mean? Like, because, like, we just keep, you know.

Toliy [01:21:26]:
But my question to you was is that, like, obviously, we can all agree here that elder is able to troll in particular ways to invoke something from you, right?

Denis [01:21:35]:
Sure.

Mike [01:21:35]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:21:35]:
Are you able to let to him?

Denis [01:21:39]:
I don't believe in the, like. No, I'm not that good at it. One and two, I don't actually fully believe in, like, I know what he's doing. I also know that he's trying to, you know, I think he's got it. He's. He's down, downplaying for himself over the years how much of it is actually just, like, sometimes hurting people or something, just. Just kind of just being, like, a little nasty or whatever, just for the sake of a laugh. But I know that the core of what he's actually believing in is that, like, that troll will dispel that person's b's in that moment, and they won't know what to say.

Denis [01:22:08]:
And then that showcases that. Are you full of shit? I get the concept, and it works, of course. Plenty of times. Of course it can work.

Toliy [01:22:14]:
So. So that's. That's what I'm asking. Are you able to troll others in ways to show that he's full of shit?

Denis [01:22:20]:
I mean, well, no.

Eldar [01:22:23]:
How's that possible, bro? Yeah, how can I be possible?

Toliy [01:22:26]:
No, that's all I said. Like, if no, why not?

Eldar [01:22:29]:
Well, no, what can you say, bro?

Toliy [01:22:32]:
What's what I'm trying to ask him.

Eldar [01:22:33]:
Oh, I'm not gonna speak no right now.

Toliy [01:22:36]:
He's saying no.

Denis [01:22:37]:
So, yeah, I'm doing it. For instance. Yes, I'll say yes for one reason, because you're using the words of troll. Him. But it's not about troll. Like, I disagree with what he's trying to say with the minute. And for the last 30 minutes or whatever, I've been counteracting that. Not through trolling, but I am.

Eldar [01:22:54]:
I can counteract with anger through anger only. Right, for now. No, I'm just saying, no, no, not right now. I'm saying no before in the no.

Toliy [01:23:03]:
But I'm saying this, for example, I'm saying this. Elder is able to. To press certain buttons in me. Yeah, right now or in general. Right. That could probably invoke some frustration from me. Right. He's able to that with you too.

Toliy [01:23:17]:
And probably my 100% right, too.

Denis [01:23:20]:
Right.

Toliy [01:23:21]:
Are you able to. Why are you unable to that to him?

Denis [01:23:23]:
Because I don't believe that that's the way to do it.

Toliy [01:23:25]:
No, but I'm saying that if you wanted to, are you able to.

Denis [01:23:29]:
I mean, if it's like a. Yeah, I could. Like, for instance, if we take this one example. Yeah, he's taught you, especially Friday, he was saying some what I actually, I wanted to put some of the stuff in the intro, but, like, I was like, I don't want to make you look too bad. Yeah, it's a wild shit. Like, he was just talking a little.

Eldar [01:23:45]:
Bit more on the PC, so I don't want to hurt too many feelings out there. Like, PC guys, the PCB, trolling, whatever.

Denis [01:23:51]:
Your idea, you ask these, like, ridiculous questions. But anyways, like, the trolling, there's a reason. Like, yeah. Like, yeah.

Mike [01:23:56]:
Really wants to know.

Eldar [01:23:58]:
He doesn't believe in the non compassionate way, bro.

Denis [01:24:00]:
Like, I could. I could say, like, oh, yeah.

Toliy [01:24:02]:
Like, yeah.

Denis [01:24:04]:
He's saying, how's that going? Like, he's on Fridays. Like, how's the. Oh, congratulations. You did it for two months.

Eldar [01:24:10]:
How's that?

Denis [01:24:11]:
Let me know when it. Let me know when you fall off.

Mike [01:24:15]:
That was a good line.

Toliy [01:24:17]:
Okay.

Denis [01:24:18]:
Especially within that moment. I'm telling you my honest truth. Like, I wasn't even trying to say, like, yo, I'm doing this shit. You should know my wife. I was just saying, like, yo, come on.

Toliy [01:24:25]:
Okay, so how would you do it to him?

Denis [01:24:27]:
If I wanted to, I don't know. I would probably do it in the way of, like, thinking about what else he does that he's fallen off on or that he's a.

Toliy [01:24:35]:
Okay, so.

Eldar [01:24:38]:
Ammo for himself.

Denis [01:24:42]:
Like, I don't know. Like, like, I mean, I don't. I haven't been following, like, I don't know. Is he still, like, over playing basketball? So I would have picked something that, like, I know because I'm seeing him every day. Are you still doing that?

Toliy [01:24:52]:
Yeah, like, I'm curious. Like. Like, I feel like in those times where if I'm feeling a little butthurt or I'm getting a little upset, a lot of times I feel like in these trolls, there's some truth to the things that are being trolled upon.

Denis [01:25:04]:
Right. And then when you agree, and then.

Toliy [01:25:06]:
When you evolve as a person, like, you physically change, and there's nothing that, like, like, you can't, like, like, you can't, like, invoke that, like, uh, that, like, reaction anymore. Not because, like, you're better at not reacting. Like, not because of that, but because you've actually physically evolved. And then, like. But elder also evolves.

Denis [01:25:30]:
He's got a realize acting is that girl.

Toliy [01:25:32]:
No, no, no, no.

Mike [01:25:34]:
He's. What he's saying is that all those is a bulletproof monk, son.

Toliy [01:25:37]:
No, what I'm saying is that the goal is.

Eldar [01:25:43]:
Holy to me.

Toliy [01:25:45]:
Like, I would say that, like, a primitive way to go about things is the goal of not reacting. That, to me, is a primitive way of going about this.

Mike [01:25:52]:
Damn, yo.

Toliy [01:25:54]:
Right? I think that that's more of, like, the caveman version of it is like, okay, I'm.

Mike [01:26:02]:
No, I don't think actually what I wanted to say earlier, why I was asking, like, let's say you hurts. Can you just think about it and say, actually, that doesn't exist. The foot does not exist, or are.

Eldar [01:26:14]:
You gonna actually do something by your foot?

Mike [01:26:15]:
Yeah, my little matter, bro, you have some kind of pain where people say certain things. Yeah, there's a pain from.

Eldar [01:26:22]:
Yeah, either you can.

Mike [01:26:24]:
You can probably couple times let it go. But eventually, if you don't tend to.

Denis [01:26:27]:
That footage, I have to spit it out.

Toliy [01:26:34]:
The. I'm gonna forget. I promise. Yeah, I understand what Mike is saying. Then I also understand that what he's.

Denis [01:26:39]:
Understanding remind me of the foot thing, because I have.

Toliy [01:26:41]:
Okay, I'm saying this. A caveman slash primitive version of life is to get self control to not react. Right.

Denis [01:26:49]:
Even though the Buddhists talk about self control, but it's a cavemande.

Toliy [01:26:52]:
No.

Mike [01:26:55]:
Buddhists don't know anything.

Toliy [01:26:57]:
I'm saying that that's a caveman primitive version is the learn the practice of not reacting.

Denis [01:27:03]:
Right. I think, but no problem.

Mike [01:27:06]:
But the price is not. So.

Toliy [01:27:07]:
Yeah, to me, that is the caveman primitive. Like, okay, like, you're. You're saying that.

Denis [01:27:12]:
Look, what's the example?

Toliy [01:27:14]:
You're signing up and saying that, yo, what's the.

Denis [01:27:16]:
Totally dumb.

Toliy [01:27:17]:
I'm a bit dumb, but because I'm a bit dumb and I'm not willing to work on myself.

Denis [01:27:22]:
Yeah, I'm gonna work on just not reacting. But by that same statement, you're discounting as the process of not reacting, which is so difficult for our life, is actually just so, like, a dumb person can do it. It's so simple. Is not your.

Toliy [01:27:35]:
We could find. We could find ways to invoke that, and some of them are monetary, so it's. It's not that hard.

Denis [01:27:42]:
I mean. Okay, right. Again, like, unrealistic to me, the real.

Toliy [01:27:46]:
Change is that whatever is happening, that, for example, that eldar is trolling on. Right. And that is very funny for some people, not all parties involved. For some of those parties, like, to me, like, the real thing is to actually change those things about yourself.

Denis [01:28:07]:
That.

Toliy [01:28:08]:
Are making that situation funny to begin with. So, for example, if the troll is like, yo, like, I don't know, like, dee's a hothead. Like, he gets angry so easily.

Denis [01:28:18]:
Yeah, no, that's a no brainer.

Eldar [01:28:20]:
Look at this.

Toliy [01:28:20]:
Right?

Denis [01:28:20]:
That's a no brainer.

Toliy [01:28:21]:
So, to me, it's like, the. The solution in life.

Denis [01:28:24]:
Or wouldn't you agree that is a hot head? One of the recipes is not reacting. Then he won't be a no.

Toliy [01:28:32]:
My thing is this is that, like, you could go about life and go practice to, like, to still feel hot inside but not react. But, like, to me, like, the goal should be, at least, is to examine, like, what is happening and then, like, solve that and change that. And then if that person is no longer a hothead or no longer doing. Doing that, I bet a million dollars that eldar will not say that troll or that joke anymore because it's impossible.

Eldar [01:29:08]:
There's a relationship.

Toliy [01:29:09]:
Nobody that's gonna laugh about it. Cuz it's not funny if we're like, huh? Elder, he wears my pants. Anybody wanna laugh?

Eldar [01:29:17]:
Yep.

Denis [01:29:18]:
Right?

Mike [01:29:18]:
Correct.

Denis [01:29:19]:
Right.

Toliy [01:29:19]:
Like, it's not that funny.

Denis [01:29:20]:
Right?

Eldar [01:29:20]:
Yeah, that's our level ten boss.

Toliy [01:29:23]:
But me, like, you know my car is mad dirty right now, right? And like, I'll complain at certain times like that right now and others like, and I've complained about driving something like that because my car, stuff like that. And like elders, like can you drive to the gym? Or like, do you have a bunch of pet supplies in the back? Like that could be a funny joke, right?

Denis [01:29:41]:
Sure.

Toliy [01:29:41]:
Because there, there's some truth.

Denis [01:29:45]:
For the record, in the beginning I said, yeah, there's plenty of trolls.

Toliy [01:29:47]:
That actually, that's what I'm saying. Is that like true? Like the primitive way, I think, is to practice non reaction. And that way can also be accomplished by like, like, again, like refrainment, like confinement. Like, you know, yeah. Discipline. All these different ways. But the things that are being trolled upon, I think that there is some level of truth in it. But to make it extremely funny.

Toliy [01:30:10]:
Yeah, it definitely is exaggerated 100%.

Denis [01:30:13]:
Right.

Toliy [01:30:14]:
And the thing is that if you actually change those things of value, there's no refrain.

Mike [01:30:19]:
But he's saying that is the change.

Denis [01:30:22]:
Based on, again, you don't have a.

Toliy [01:30:23]:
You don't need to make a decision of reacting or not reacting anymore because.

Eldar [01:30:28]:
You the man, you don't subject yourself to that anymore.

Mike [01:30:33]:
This is a solution for it. We're saying like, it doesn't exist is also not given.

Denis [01:30:39]:
I'm glad you. Yeah, yeah. We can tie it in both with the foot thing. You're defining it in your own way, which is like, again, this why definitions are important. We're like, you're defining it as the non reacting is primitive and caveman. So by definition, if we take that, then, okay, yeah, you're right. If we take. If we, if we define it as that, but which are, which are, again, the experiential aspect of it.

Denis [01:31:00]:
Just like when I say this to who am I thing, you're discounting completely because I wholeheartedly believe that through that process of the primitive caveman of in these moments, not reacting, there's also going to be an internal process that goes on. Then you're like, hold on a second. In theory, I didn't react to that. And I've actually experienced that a couple times. I always fall off. Can I finish? You don't react. Yeah, my car is full of pet shit. Yeah, like you said, same example.

Denis [01:31:30]:
I don't react to it and I don't jump on like a fuck you. Your car is dirty too. Through that non reaction, then I just sit with that and I can actually. Because I'm not attached to what the individual said because I understood, okay, who am I? I am not this thought. I'm not this ego. I'm not gonna attach to what the fuck this nigga just said. In that moment, something fantastic happens a lot of times. Am I again experimenting? You're like, no, see, like, again, realize, oh, crap.

Denis [01:32:04]:
You might be right. You're not attached to the person hurting your feelings. So if it's. If it's unbiased truth, you say like.

Mike [01:32:11]:
Yo, your shit is that he's doing a flip.

Denis [01:32:14]:
You're all of a sudden you have the opportunity because your mind is not. Your time is not consumed by being zoned in, glued into your mind.

Eldar [01:32:21]:
So what he's gonna saying is that his pride will go down and he's gonna be able to accept the teaching lessons of the troll for sure.

Denis [01:32:28]:
If it's. If there's a teaching lesson.

Eldar [01:32:29]:
If there's a teaching lesson, he's gonna be able to heal, actually, and then accept it and shut his mouth.

Denis [01:32:34]:
Because you're not reacting to. You're not busy reacting to, aka, you're not busy reacting. Some bullshit thought that came in like, yo, fuck this guy. So I can't believe you're saying d that.

Toliy [01:32:42]:
For example.

Denis [01:32:46]:
You'Re saying, I haven't read buddhism in a long time, but I'm very, very confident that there's some major things about it, some core principles about non reaction. Non reaction, I'm saying.

Toliy [01:32:56]:
And all these other Hinduism is right. Now for you, for example, let's say, like. Like, I don't know, let's say $500 a day. Is that like, a good amount of money for you?

Denis [01:33:05]:
Fucking hypotheticals, bro.

Toliy [01:33:07]:
No, I'm just asking, is that a good enough, like, or $1,000 a day?

Denis [01:33:11]:
It would probably be a good enough structure that is implemented in my life. Nice thing.

Mike [01:33:17]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:33:17]:
That I would be forced to do it, not even because I'm trying to be virtuous or try to understand it, but just because I want that money. So, yes.

Toliy [01:33:25]:
So, for example, if you got paid like $500 to day, right, and all you have to do is show up here, right? And just the monkeys here would just like, troll you all day, right? Like it could be, like, the reaction and, like, reframing can be induced, right?

Mike [01:33:51]:
He would pay all the money. No, no.

Eldar [01:33:54]:
What do you mean he could. Well, he will meditate long enough to prepare himself.

Toliy [01:33:57]:
No, we would pay him money to come here, right. His full time job would just be to, like, troll D and boil his blood. If that was the case, he would be like, you would use monetary forms and money.

Eldar [01:34:32]:
How much would this cost, like, realistically, then.

Toliy [01:34:35]:
Well, I mean, we can get to that. Okay, yes, but I'm saying that, like, you can use monetary form to induce refrainmen, right?

Eldar [01:34:44]:
Well, duh.

Toliy [01:34:45]:
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Denis [01:34:46]:
To tie in real quick, your leg thing.

Eldar [01:34:49]:
You, bad.

Denis [01:34:53]:
Point.

Mike [01:34:54]:
Movie viral.

Denis [01:34:55]:
The leg thing. Right, yeah, I forgot now what you said. Can you.

Mike [01:34:59]:
Do you remember I said if you have. If you have a problem, you hit your leg, right, and it's bleeding or you have to get stitches or whatever, you got into accident with your leg, right? If you just meditate on it. Yeah, and say, oh, the leg. The pain doesn't exist. Good point, squire. Your mind, right? Does the leg get healed?

Denis [01:35:17]:
So, okay, let me answer that. So, number one, if you remember, even I was not even versed in the fucking. The exact proper way to think. I said what I said, yo, like, if you need to solve two plus two, you. You use the mind as though you use it. Don't let it use you. So then you use it. So when you need it, you turn it on.

Denis [01:35:33]:
Like, yo, I have to think about what in this situation. My leg is fucking blown up in the Ukraine war. Probably russian. Like, my shit is blown up. Like, okay, we in the moment, and we deploy the. The mind to understand what is the best. Of course, matt, you're not of course, like, you know what I mean? You're just, like. You're just kind of, like, completely saying some nonsense.

Denis [01:35:55]:
Of course you're still using it, but I'll use it in a different way. I thought you were gonna say. I was trying to use it, the leg, to tie it into the psychological problems. The leg hurts, right? But let's say your trauma, you got a. You grew up and your pops beat you, right? And you live in. Through life. You're not conscious, you're not doing anything. No philosophies, no spiritual, none of that.

Denis [01:36:19]:
Definitely not virtual bullshit for sure, but nothing, right? You just going through it. You keep hitting the same wall. Like, you don't know why you have in relationships or you're. You're angry about this and you're repeating certain things from your father, whatever. You know what I mean? Like trauma, right? Let's call it trauma. Your thing is I gotta, I gotta go through it non stop to figure out like, why keep trying to like, unplug, which is. Could probably also maybe work again. I don't know for sure.

Denis [01:36:47]:
Right? But their thing, I call it theirs. I don't even remind, just they're meaning like the ancient way of tapping into the head to the mind is like you're getting there that way too. Because it's just in a different way.

Mike [01:36:58]:
Because if you're reversing the process, you.

Denis [01:37:01]:
Don'T have to go into the weeds of every branch of like, well, why this? Why? Oh, that's because of that. Because of the. You gotta remember a hundred things.

Mike [01:37:07]:
I got you will. You will have to do it eventually. I think your process still have to. Your process is still your process different than I think. Now I understand. Maybe you're your. I'm trying to solve the problem first to then have a quiet mind. You're trying to acquire mine to then solve the product.

Mike [01:37:23]:
Okay, but the quiet. But I'm not sure if you can mess with the chronological order like that.

Denis [01:37:26]:
But that's, that's what we have to do. We have to try. We try. This experiment must be happening. So what I'm saying here is the idea here is my thing, is that.

Mike [01:37:34]:
Your reaction, your human reaction. Human nature is much faster than, than saying, oh, who am I?

Denis [01:37:39]:
Oh, that's, that's, that's what you have to.

Toliy [01:37:41]:
That's his challenge.

Eldar [01:37:43]:
Nobody said he says that. No, but that's the thing. If you practice it long enough, you're gonna be able to beat that. Oh, you understand?

Mike [01:37:49]:
Kind of like you've been practicing anger, being angry for a long time.

Eldar [01:37:53]:
Yeah, no, but yeah, that's why it'll take. Yeah, I know.

Denis [01:38:04]:
So with this trauma, right, the idea here is what I'm, I'm doing the same thing, but just on a more simplified, without needing to. A million different traumas figure them out. It's like, yo, who am I? Why am I doing this? And then, and then, and then the truth just happens there where it's like, all right, if I'm not that, and this trauma is happening from this thought that I'm still holding on to because my pops beat me that one time or whatever, like, yo, am I that? Am I this child? And then no process. That self inquiry happens anyways, right? That self inquiry had a connection of like, yo, just like there. What we're trying to define like, yo, my man. Like, I'm this way because my pops is like that, which, of course, I also do. It's like, blah, blah, blah. But what happens even with that, too, right? Just like anything else, it could be temporary.

Denis [01:38:44]:
I can understand. Like, hey, like, this is what it is. But, like, then a week later, I'm acting just like Sergey, right? Like, it's. It's. You need it. You need to, I guess, truly, fully believe it or have enough repetition in the understanding of the concept that you are not your father anymore, why you're acting like that, right. It's not serving you anymore. He's doing that because he had this kind of father, blah, blah.

Denis [01:39:05]:
You're going through that process, and maybe that can also work. You know, I've been trying that many times. Sometimes it works. Sometimes I'm still, you know, running in circles because, you know. But here, it's. It's simplifying it. Like, the idea is, like, yo, my man, you guys have branched out to a million different ways. Trying to deploy the mind to solve the mind as a.

Denis [01:39:25]:
Is the. Is the root of the fucking problem.

Mike [01:39:26]:
You will still have to solve that to what you're saying.

Denis [01:39:29]:
You're still solving it, but just, it's this. It's this process of going back to this guy. Yeah.

Toliy [01:39:34]:
I think he's trying to say that, like, anything, that problem you have, if you slow everything down and realize that, like, yo, this is not that important.

Eldar [01:39:41]:
Or this doesn't exist.

Toliy [01:39:43]:
Yeah, I'm saying something important. If you go about saying that right, then. Then you could accomplish those things. You're saying that there's no way you can quiet the mind without first addressing those things. And the result of that is a quiet mind.

Mike [01:40:02]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:40:03]:
I mean, we'd have to experience. The thing is, I've also. I've been living my life trying to do it this way, too.

Mike [01:40:09]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:40:10]:
I'm exposed.

Toliy [01:40:11]:
That.

Denis [01:40:11]:
That.

Toliy [01:40:12]:
That is a big catalyst, by the way, from my point of view in this thing. Is that a big catalyst? Is that, like, for example, from Mike. Mike side? He does not. Mike does not believe that Dennis tried one. Mike is trying and doing.

Eldar [01:40:27]:
Sure.

Mike [01:40:28]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:40:28]:
Dennis believes that he has tried this ten times. Yes.

Mike [01:40:33]:
Mike also. Dennis feels that he's tried it ten times because Mike is also been that ten times a guy.

Denis [01:40:39]:
Yes, but to be clear.

Toliy [01:40:41]:
Yes.

Denis [01:40:43]:
Venice is still. To be clear, to make sure to define that correctly, fully. You're right. But the aspect here is still that Dennis is not saying, like, he tried ten times to remove the things he doesn't, like, blah, blah, blah, let's say, for example. And now it's like, yo, that shit is dead. I'm doing it a different way. Dennis is saying, like, that works, but this is. This part process, too, is just.

Denis [01:41:05]:
I connect to this. This makes sense to me. Right.

Mike [01:41:08]:
So I'm not.

Denis [01:41:08]:
I'm not. There's still that part where I'm not discrediting. I'm not just saying, this is not a black and white situation where dennis is saying, you, I found something new. Your shit is bullshit. It don't work. I'm not saying that. As I've said many times. Yeah, but I still stand that.

Denis [01:41:22]:
It's. It's. You got experience.

Toliy [01:41:23]:
You got experience, but you're still standing behind that. What you're talking about is more effective.

Eldar [01:41:28]:
Than what mike's talking about for him.

Toliy [01:41:30]:
Yeah, that's. No, but it has to be. That feeling has.

Denis [01:41:32]:
For me.

Toliy [01:41:33]:
For me, there's no way he bought it. Yo, mike's mind is better, but now.

Eldar [01:41:37]:
I'm not gonna do.

Toliy [01:41:38]:
I'm gonna do this worse.

Eldar [01:41:39]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:41:39]:
No. Nobody feels it's just experiential, bro.

Mike [01:41:43]:
It's, you know, is experiential an actual word?

Denis [01:41:45]:
I think so. I'm experiential.

Toliy [01:41:48]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that is a big catalyst here that Mike feels that d did not give, like, did not go to the proper method that will lead him to have success through Mike's way, and d feels that he has been there, done that, and the shit has not worked out of for him.

Eldar [01:42:04]:
Yeah. Not.

Toliy [01:42:04]:
Not better than this.

Eldar [01:42:05]:
Yeah. This way, he wasn't good at it, or you didn't like it. He didn't like the results. So naturally, you move on to something else that you're gonna try.

Mike [01:42:13]:
Yeah. Yeah.

Eldar [01:42:14]:
That's just what we do as people, I think.

Toliy [01:42:16]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:42:17]:
You know what I'm saying?

Denis [01:42:17]:
But there's also, in life, there's artists, there's athletes. There's to give them. Yeah. Like, there's whatever. Right. Like, people are different people. Some people are more wired to. And it's true.

Denis [01:42:32]:
Right.

Eldar [01:42:32]:
Some of us are artistic.

Denis [01:42:34]:
Yeah. Visual learners. Someone's a reader. Someone's this. But, like, all of a sudden, if you. For the. Bear with me. For the example of, like, real world jobs, people find their way to make their way.

Denis [01:42:46]:
Like, you can't get me to paint. I don't. I don't like it. I don't know how to. Like, I'm terrible. Right. But, like. Like, Farida, it's like.

Denis [01:42:53]:
It's life, and she sees the world in it. Like, she finds peace in it. Whatever, right?

Eldar [01:42:58]:
Yo, shameless plug. Those fucking paintings are a million dollars. That's crazy.

Denis [01:43:01]:
We got all, like, maybe it's. Maybe it's really one of those things where I know you guys are proponents of this one way, and that's it. Which I'm not necessarily convinced that it's not one way. I actually think that maybe there is one way. I just don't know if all of our ways are still. I still stand by. It's. All our ways are very similar.

Denis [01:43:23]:
It's just. It's our biases.

Toliy [01:43:25]:
Let me ask you this. What would it, like, is there anything that could happen where you would say that? Like, where you would come to where, like, you would internally feel that, like, hey, maybe my way is not working. Bear with me and feel that I'm not competent to choose a way.

Eldar [01:43:43]:
Oh, my God.

Mike [01:43:44]:
He said already. He said already. He's willing to be my disciple. Yo, you know what I'm saying?

Denis [01:43:52]:
Micro format. I'm not ready to be, like, a year under your.

Mike [01:43:54]:
No, if I. We start smoking stoves, I'm saying maybe.

Denis [01:43:56]:
We can do that.

Mike [01:43:57]:
You said about the smoking stove.

Toliy [01:43:59]:
You understand what I'm saying there?

Denis [01:44:02]:
I was, you asking.

Eldar [01:44:03]:
You weren't saying.

Toliy [01:44:04]:
Yeah, ask you asking a question.

Denis [01:44:07]:
I did, but then I got distracted by this.

Toliy [01:44:08]:
Yeah. I was saying that, like. Like, is there a world, for example, or, like, what would it take for, like, the things that you're, for example, practicing or.

Denis [01:44:18]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:44:18]:
Things that you're talking about for them, like, to not be working for you. Not, like, not. Not be working for it for you in your, like, capacity, in within, like, your goals and stuff like that.

Denis [01:44:30]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:44:30]:
And then, like, for you to say that, like, hey, I don't know how to even choose a way of what you do.

Denis [01:44:36]:
Yeah. What would it take? Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean, just probably enough failure would probably do it, but then you. Then I counteract that it's a different individuals. Like, I'm. I'm extremely. I'm not trying to just boast them.

Denis [01:44:57]:
It's just like, I'm very, like, resilient. You would argue that that's for the. For my. Not for my benefit a lot of times, but so, like, it would take a lot, you know, because I'm. Then if I fall, I'm looking. All right, like, what didn't I see here?

Eldar [01:45:13]:
Is there a lower bottom?

Denis [01:45:14]:
Mm hmm. Yeah, for laughable purposes, we could say that.

Toliy [01:45:19]:
Are you willing to dine your shield.

Denis [01:45:24]:
If you wanted to stoop this, kind of like trying to. Trying to be happy or trying to understand this human condition. If you want to stoop it down to the concept of being so arrogant to stay by your thing that you're dying on your shield, then the answer would be yes. What if you wanted to stoop it down to that?

Eldar [01:45:45]:
Yeah, but you're not doing that.

Denis [01:45:46]:
That's not like you do YouTube. You're watering down.

Eldar [01:45:49]:
I'm trying.

Denis [01:45:50]:
I'm trying it, bro. Like, I'm not over here trying to say, like, yo, stupid. I'm trying to, like, you know, he's.

Eldar [01:45:55]:
A squirrel trying to get a nut, bro.

Denis [01:45:57]:
Same shit, whatever. I don't know what you mean.

Eldar [01:46:01]:
You know what I'm saying? No way. Are you kidding me? No.

Denis [01:46:06]:
What do you mean? Like.

Eldar [01:46:07]:
Like, you move on, find some mouse.

Denis [01:46:11]:
He's saying something else. I'm answering. Saying that if you water it down to.

Eldar [01:46:15]:
To, like, on to the next thing, bro. Onto the next coconut.

Mike [01:46:21]:
Yeah, yeah.

Denis [01:46:23]:
So, see, same thing here. It's like the challenge.

Eldar [01:46:26]:
How'd you do, by the way?

Denis [01:46:27]:
Go ahead.

Eldar [01:46:29]:
No, no.

Denis [01:46:29]:
You want to. You want to have one of those moments, like, on Friday where it's like, yeah, let me know when you fall off after two months.

Eldar [01:46:34]:
No, I'm just saying. No, no. How did you know. How did you do. No. With the thing? I gave you the opportunity to be able to do the thing.

Denis [01:46:44]:
Like, clearly I'm even having this discussion is me not doing the thing. Yeah, because, like, like, the person who understands the thing is, like, y'all, like, if we in the room with individuals who are never gonna read the book or never going to even try. Forget Mike.

Eldar [01:47:09]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:47:10]:
You. You live your life how you. How you live it. You, I would assume, based on your swagger in life, believe that you figured out your way, and then your way is the top tier. And then, like, whatever, you know, top g. Top boy, top g. And that comes for you. This is just unbiased like this.

Denis [01:47:32]:
I feel it's just the truth that that can be good because you just. You. You bought into your thing. You're living your life in your world, but it could hold you enjoying your experience. But it also comes with the side effect of a lot of arrogance, because then you dislike everything else. Just like out them cats. They look like that cat. So they look like that spiritual cat.

Denis [01:47:50]:
They look like. I've seen that kind of story before. It's be. And so you discount and discredit comes with the arrogance. Kicks in.

Eldar [01:47:57]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:47:57]:
Which you don't seem to think is a bad thing. You just think you're having fun.

Toliy [01:48:00]:
You're not willing to entertain reading this book.

Denis [01:48:02]:
So. So again, it's like here. It's like.

Eldar [01:48:04]:
I didn't say that.

Denis [01:48:05]:
We would have to. You would have to read it, for instance, in this. And then. And then just try it out. Even for like an hour. Just read some of it. Try it out. We all kind of do where it's.

Eldar [01:48:15]:
Like, I. Yo, D. Do I have to be this? Do I have to be in the same mental state you were when you read it or. No, because I could try it that way, too. I'm bad, Mike, you crazy. Why?

Denis [01:48:32]:
It's either gonna resonate or not. And that's what I'm saying. Yo, to be honest with you. Read it. To be honest with you.

Eldar [01:48:38]:
But we have to be in the.

Denis [01:48:38]:
State to be honest with you. No, for the sake of.

Eldar [01:48:41]:
Yes.

Denis [01:48:44]:
For the sake of the experiment. To be honest with you.

Eldar [01:48:46]:
It was picked up at a certain point.

Denis [01:48:49]:
Yeah, for the sake of the experiment.

Eldar [01:48:51]:
We could just.

Denis [01:48:51]:
If you guys. Since you guys are.

Eldar [01:48:53]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:48:53]:
Philosopher.

Eldar [01:48:54]:
Yeah, yeah.

Denis [01:48:54]:
It's a concept here.

Toliy [01:48:55]:
Right?

Denis [01:48:56]:
Let's explore the concept as a topic.

Eldar [01:48:59]:
Yeah, we'll do that.

Denis [01:49:00]:
It's like a tiny.

Eldar [01:49:01]:
It's not even cool.

Denis [01:49:03]:
It's like a pamphlet. Cool.

Eldar [01:49:03]:
We could do that.

Toliy [01:49:04]:
And who's it written by?

Denis [01:49:06]:
His name is Ramana Maharishi.

Eldar [01:49:10]:
Let's get ready to rumble.

Denis [01:49:12]:
You can do it your way. That's what I'm saying. Like, no, we can just, you know, like, as a topic. But it would. It would require you to not just take a topic and only dive into the way that, you know, which is. Here's our interpretations and this is what. How we've come up with.

Eldar [01:49:26]:
What do you mean interpretations? What do you mean our interpretation? There's gonna be a clear, distinct practice.

Denis [01:49:31]:
That is the point.

Eldar [01:49:32]:
How can this be our interpretation?

Denis [01:49:34]:
You're not hearing me.

Eldar [01:49:35]:
Usually you make a mockery of things.

Denis [01:49:37]:
No practice. Usually it's like, yo, what is the. What is? Which is. I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong or what is, like last week's topic. What is peace of mind? No, what is in the mo.

Eldar [01:49:48]:
What does it actually mean to be present?

Denis [01:49:50]:
So there's not, like. You're not starting out with like, okay, cool. We are. We've been around this. Human beings have been around for like, 10,000 years. Let's try to find some cats that maybe have defined this already. Let's read that for like, ten minutes and then let's talk about it. Or like, then let's give a.

Denis [01:50:07]:
You do it your way. Which is like, alright, like, here's what we think. Boom, boom, boom. That makes sense. Well, you do your own version now.

Eldar [01:50:13]:
It's probably.

Denis [01:50:13]:
You've probably read something at some point, but it's not started out. The discussion is not started out by, like, no, no.

Eldar [01:50:21]:
A base. A base.

Denis [01:50:22]:
Yeah, some bit.

Eldar [01:50:23]:
Yeah, I get it. Yeah. This will have a base.

Denis [01:50:26]:
Those, by the way, you. That's also a part of it. We're like, no, no. Yeah. I'm not like. I'm saying that's important what you said, because your guys is also. Yeah, your guys is also thing. Oh, is it? Wait, I'm answering his, but not in the way he thinks.

Denis [01:50:40]:
Yeah, that thing is also a big part of you guys's thing. We're like.

Eldar [01:50:47]:
You.

Denis [01:50:50]:
You've convinced this individual, specifically, Mike, is a little more humble. Mike knows that I know some more shit.

Eldar [01:50:56]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Denis [01:50:56]:
This cat, you've convinced him, like. Like, my man, he didn't even know your mom's Becca Stan, you know?

Eldar [01:51:00]:
Yeah, yeah. He's complete mongolian.

Denis [01:51:02]:
He's like, he's convinced that, like, there's nobody that's actually, like, worth, like, studying or smarter. It's like, it's just. That's all, like, just like, all nithyananda gurus.

Eldar [01:51:12]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:51:13]:
And so, like, there's no reason to, like, so that's why he calls it, like, pay respects. Because, like, he. His concept is the thing which you've taught him this concept of, like, these are the people that need to, like, have a Gary vee. Like, yeah, resident day, you're a guru versus, like, maybe there's some, like, maybe there's some intrinsic truths that, like. Yeah, it's not about the fucking commercialization of what maybe somebody's saying. It's like, yo, what is the truth here? You know? And then, like, our. Cool. Let's talk about it.

Denis [01:51:36]:
Does it make sense? Do you agree? What is your theories on it? Does that. You discredit it completely? You have your own version.

Eldar [01:51:41]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:51:41]:
So why I'm saying that is because 99% of the time, you don't do it that way. Actually, you did it recently.

Toliy [01:51:46]:
Elder tried to teach you the same thing that my rabbi taught me in summer camp. You don't look up to idols.

Denis [01:51:53]:
Yeah. Don't look up to idols.

Toliy [01:51:56]:
Yeah. Yeah. You're not, like, allowed to, like, like, if there's a Gary V, you're not allowed to, like.

Denis [01:52:00]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:52:01]:
Oh, they actually say that.

Toliy [01:52:02]:
What do you mean? It's a sin to idolize.

Mike [01:52:04]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:52:06]:
You cannot have idols.

Denis [01:52:09]:
Hinduism, most certainly.

Mike [01:52:11]:
Okay. Yeah, no, you. The idols are. You lost idols, but nothing else.

Denis [01:52:19]:
No, yeah, but it's gods. It's deities.

Eldar [01:52:22]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:52:22]:
Outside of those, you shouldn't idolize anything.

Eldar [01:52:24]:
Right?

Mike [01:52:24]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:52:29]:
Any. Any person.

Eldar [01:52:33]:
So the Rolex is God. Okay.

Toliy [01:52:35]:
That's my understanding.

Denis [01:52:37]:
All the day you did it, where you. There was a question.

Mike [01:52:40]:
The woman.

Denis [01:52:40]:
The woman asked the question. So it's like, I, like, there was a definitive thing. And then, for example, here it would be that. Where it's. Here's the example. Let's spend, I don't know, 20 minutes on it, and then it's like, I. Cool. Like, hey, like, that's bullshit.

Denis [01:52:54]:
And then that's. Then that's the open format of the.

Eldar [01:52:56]:
No, we could definitely do that.

Denis [01:52:57]:
Yo, that's good. I can't. That's complete nonsense, you know?

Eldar [01:53:00]:
Yeah, but that's.

Denis [01:53:01]:
The debates are usually happening without the actual topic at hand or the person's experience.

Mike [01:53:06]:
So what do you think we're doing? We're not. We're not searching for the truth. Just. You're walking around in the mud.

Denis [01:53:15]:
It's not about.

Mike [01:53:16]:
Yeah, well, come on.

Denis [01:53:18]:
It is. I'm just saying, like, in this. In this topic, there's never gonna be a point where, like, you guys are like, yo. Yeah, you're right. And the funny thing is, as you.

Mike [01:53:26]:
Like, you say that we're pretty ignorant.

Denis [01:53:27]:
It's a lot of the same. Like. No, but here's my thing. It's like, it's similar.

Eldar [01:53:30]:
It's clear to us day, right? What the hell's going on here?

Denis [01:53:33]:
No, it's similar shit. You know what I'm saying? Like what? I don't think your definition of happiness is any different than mine, but because you have.

Mike [01:53:43]:
Yeah, I don't think the definition happiness is different. I think the approach is different.

Denis [01:53:49]:
I think approach is very similar. We're just. We're just using the different words and, like, it's the same.

Eldar [01:53:55]:
Can we say that the results are different or. No.

Denis [01:53:58]:
Which is why then I.

Mike [01:54:00]:
We can't compare the notes until, like, oh, 2090.

Denis [01:54:03]:
Oh, yeah. Okay, so what's the results?

Eldar [01:54:05]:
No, I don't know if that.

Denis [01:54:07]:
If that's the same results that we can look at.

Mike [01:54:09]:
Yeah, but the result.

Eldar [01:54:10]:
If the approach is the same.

Mike [01:54:11]:
Yeah, but you would have to value.

Eldar [01:54:12]:
The results the same. The results have to be the fucking same.

Denis [01:54:15]:
No, I could argue.

Eldar [01:54:17]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:54:17]:
No.

Denis [01:54:18]:
Yes.

Eldar [01:54:19]:
That's what I'm arguing for.

Mike [01:54:20]:
He values the result of a big watch and a big Schwann, but I value the results of a big house and a nice, happy life.

Denis [01:54:28]:
I can make the case that in this scenario, I'm taking discipline and mind and he's taking his removal. All this stuff, whatever. Yeah. All these concepts, we're both. The results are what? These two people have the same kind of idea in mind. We want to be happy, we want to better our life, and we want to get to some sort of truth.

Toliy [01:54:50]:
No, that's not the result.

Mike [01:54:52]:
No, no.

Denis [01:55:02]:
If we examine his day and my.

Toliy [01:55:04]:
Day, which one of you. Which one of you is more of a general jackass? No, I'm saying the way, when it comes to results, the way that I look at it is like, yeah, which one of you is. Is more of a general?

Mike [01:55:26]:
Depends on the results. On the list.

Eldar [01:55:28]:
General Jackass in life.

Toliy [01:55:30]:
Do you think that Mike is more general jackass?

Eldar [01:55:33]:
Yeah. And Mike takes the same with those.

Mike [01:55:37]:
No, no, but that's a good thing.

Toliy [01:55:40]:
Hundred percent.

Denis [01:55:41]:
You're making it a competition of these.

Mike [01:55:44]:
No, no, no.

Toliy [01:55:46]:
Do you view that that might is competition?

Denis [01:55:51]:
Like, yo. My comparing?

Eldar [01:55:54]:
No, he's asking a clear question.

Toliy [01:55:56]:
Okay, how about this? Is, are these two doors the same size?

Mike [01:56:04]:
Mm.

Denis [01:56:05]:
They actually. No, they're not.

Mike [01:56:06]:
No. Yeah, I don't think so.

Denis [01:56:09]:
They're not really.

Mike [01:56:10]:
Okay.

Toliy [01:56:13]:
I don't know what. What else we got? Like, how about that monitor and the same one over there that Mike says, are those the same size, the two hps?

Denis [01:56:22]:
Yes, they're the same size.

Toliy [01:56:24]:
Okay, so we're gonna compare, right?

Mike [01:56:26]:
Okay. Okay.

Toliy [01:56:26]:
I'm saying that if we were to compare notes, right? Which one of you is more of a general jackass? I don't know how I like that word.

Eldar [01:56:36]:
You would not agree with Mike's decision making. Come on, man.

Mike [01:56:39]:
No, I actually think I am a general jackass. I think I'm a bigger one than him, but I think that's a good thing.

Eldar [01:56:43]:
Well, yeah, no, I mean, I want him to say what his, like, honest opinion is. Yeah, we know you're a jackass. Yeah.

Denis [01:56:50]:
All right, what do we get out of me answering that for the reality of the situation, which then gives us.

Eldar [01:56:56]:
What the. What's the name? A zero point, a ground point gives.

Toliy [01:57:03]:
Us, like, yeah, I'm measuring.

Denis [01:57:05]:
All we give us is then circling back to the idea of, again, my straws, of the situation, of, like, who's is better? This never why you want them to.

Eldar [01:57:14]:
Vocalize it, don't you. Don't you believe that's what he believes?

Toliy [01:57:17]:
No, I do believe that's why you.

Denis [01:57:18]:
Ask me a question then if you already know the answer. Because I taught you how to do that.

Eldar [01:57:22]:
No. Does it. Does it. Does it differ then, anything different? Yeah, like, that he's. What if he vocalizes it?

Denis [01:57:29]:
I don't know. I like.

Eldar [01:57:30]:
He confirms your observation, like.

Denis [01:57:33]:
Yeah, like what? Like, okay, yes or no, one way or the other. What will be the. Take us through the. Then the next segment of your sequence. Yeah, then what? What's the next.

Toliy [01:57:41]:
Yeah, no, I feel like I. These two kinds of things.

Eldar [01:57:43]:
He has to. Then he has to then say what his level or his bar is for jackass or for a non jackass. And then if Mike ever reaches that right, he's gonna say, oh, okay. Like, if you give me the.

Mike [01:57:56]:
If you give me the list, I'll definitely strive towards it.

Denis [01:58:03]:
All.

Toliy [01:58:03]:
That should be the podcast title.

Eldar [01:58:08]:
Yeah. Who's the general jackass?

Denis [01:58:10]:
Yeah, that should be the name of the podcast.

Toliy [01:58:11]:
Yeah, yeah. You a general jackass.

Denis [01:58:15]:
That's a good term. I like the term.

Eldar [01:58:17]:
Yeah. It has to be vague for its, you know, core, for its purpose to be served.

Mike [01:58:24]:
Yeah. My.

Eldar [01:58:24]:
I don't know about.

Toliy [01:58:25]:
Guess for general jackasses by general jackasses. Yeah, yeah. Cause it's like. Yeah, the way that I view this, like, like, to me, like, this is an ongoing.

Eldar [01:58:34]:
You don't believe that you're generally a jackass, right?

Toliy [01:58:37]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:58:38]:
Mike dying. That's very interesting. So you believe that. That you generally a jackass and he doesn't, because the value.

Denis [01:58:45]:
Did you ask me that?

Eldar [01:58:46]:
Okay, okay, go ahead. No, no, let's do it. I mean, like, you usually shy away from these types of questions, so.

Denis [01:58:52]:
I usually shy away. That one was good.

Eldar [01:58:57]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:58:59]:
A label. And you stuck it on him. Came on.

Eldar [01:59:12]:
Do you feel like you're a general jackass?

Denis [01:59:14]:
I usually don't shy away from this question. That's why I keep hitting the same fucking wall.

Toliy [01:59:21]:
But lately, you. What? You haven't been wanting to battle.

Mike [01:59:26]:
So.

Eldar [01:59:27]:
Are you a general jackass?

Mike [01:59:29]:
No. Am I General Jackass?

Eldar [01:59:30]:
You already. You already answered.

Mike [01:59:32]:
No, wait, I thought you were supposed to ask.

Eldar [01:59:33]:
Huh?

Mike [01:59:34]:
Oh, I thought you're saying about me.

Eldar [01:59:35]:
No, you already answered yours. You feel that you're a general jackass?

Mike [01:59:38]:
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Toliy [01:59:39]:
Are you a general Jack?

Denis [01:59:40]:
Again, you'd have to really know me, and none of you guys really know me. You guys, you know, the old me. Whoa.

Eldar [01:59:46]:
Oh, bag man. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here we go. Yeah, maybe one day. One day we'll have the privilege to meet that individual. Yeah, it might not be today.

Denis [01:59:58]:
Stop trolling. You might.

Toliy [02:00:01]:
Oh, you might actually get a real human being next to you.

Denis [02:00:05]:
What I.

Eldar [02:00:06]:
What?

Denis [02:00:06]:
I'm saying that. I'm not saying that. Maybe the way you think.

Eldar [02:00:08]:
Yeah, I'm saying I'm cool with that.

Denis [02:00:11]:
Today.

Eldar [02:00:12]:
Will you experiment again?

Denis [02:00:14]:
I like just basic present day moments. Example. Yeah, my general jackass.

Eldar [02:00:18]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:00:18]:
Do I believe in it? You say no. Today I made Astley feel for a moment insecure because I like the way that she wears her hair.

Eldar [02:00:28]:
Would you say, brush her teeth, hold her about it?

Mike [02:00:31]:
No, the whole am I thing didn't work on her. The who am I thing didn't work on her.

Denis [02:00:36]:
Yeah, she wasn't buying it. She wore, like, I warned her, like, yo, you know I'm coming out of a three month cave. Like, bear with me. I'm trying to integrate it. You know, we've been enjoying our time.

Eldar [02:00:48]:
Like, albini, you'll be a little bit finicky with your words.

Denis [02:00:52]:
Yeah, like, I'm just like, I'm fucking out of the cave a little bit. Which is true, because that's like. That's.

Eldar [02:00:56]:
Yeah, and that's like, what? But that's like, a result of what? Like, anti social isolation.

Denis [02:01:02]:
I'm home alone and now she's here all the time.

Eldar [02:01:04]:
Yeah, yeah.

Denis [02:01:05]:
I have to, you know, interact with another person and, you know, that's an interesting.

Eldar [02:01:09]:
I would love to, like, knock up haza Tom. Like, find out how that works.

Denis [02:01:13]:
I'm sure you will, but you won't. You just instead make theories about it and. Whoo. Yeah, that's easier and more funnier.

Eldar [02:01:20]:
No, I think my imagination, you know, for sure.

Denis [02:01:22]:
More. Easier and funnier.

Eldar [02:01:23]:
No, I think more accurate, again, than the reality, you know? Yeah, exactly.

Denis [02:01:35]:
She was wearing in a different way. And I'm trying to. I started remembering, like, watching her hairstyles or whatever, and me and her both know I have narcissistic tendencies when it means, like, surface level. Like, I'm. I've judged her before. Like, I have still some weird thing. Like, I'm trying to, like, make sure she's perfect all the time. And I made a comment, like, your hair is different today, right? Like, from the yesterday's one.

Eldar [02:01:57]:
Wait, before you continue this, go ahead. Um, there will be certain things said afterwards that right now you're sharing it. You okay with sharing it? And then you're not gonna feel regret for sharing it.

Denis [02:02:08]:
I probably will.

Eldar [02:02:09]:
Okay, cool. You understand the scope.

Denis [02:02:12]:
Yeah. Cool.

Eldar [02:02:13]:
Go ahead.

Denis [02:02:13]:
Answering your question about the general jackass. When you say no in this moment, I said something light. I was just. I'm like, you're wearing it different than the other day. But she knows me so well. She knows. And we've talked about my narcissist. She knew, like, I'm trying to, like, judge her.

Denis [02:02:27]:
Like. Like, that her current hairstyle isn't as good as yesterday's. And then she got a little offended, and then, like, she was, like, giving me, like, the. We didn't talk about it. She's kind of just doing her own thing. And, like, I come up, and she's like, yeah, yeah. Like, she's giving me, like, the cold shoulder, like, what's going on? And then we sat down and we talked. I forced her, like, come on, let's talk about what's going on.

Denis [02:02:43]:
And I was just calm and patient to the point where she actually asked her yourself.

Mike [02:02:47]:
She was like, wow, I'm really proud.

Denis [02:02:48]:
Of how, like, you just kind of, like, calmly handle the situation, you know, like, just talk to me and didn't, like, be like, oh, why you. Why you reacting? But there I was, forced with this human being giving me feedback, like, yo, you're doing that thing again. One of your flaws. And I had to come to the reality. Like, yo, I am doing that thing. All right, cool. Like, what exactly did I do? And even though before I'm. I'm going on a longer story, the point is.

Eldar [02:03:14]:
Yeah, the drop holidays.

Denis [02:03:16]:
Every day. I real, like, of course. Like, I'm a jackass.

Eldar [02:03:20]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:03:20]:
And every day, it's like, yo, I don't. I want to be better, and I'm trying to be better in this situation. I had to apologize to her, say, yo, baby, my bad. You know what I mean? I wasn't intentionally doing that. I see it. And I said, I can't. Queen, listen, we. Me and you both know we've talked to us many times.

Denis [02:03:33]:
You know, your man got these narcissistic tendencies and this weird stuff, and. And so maybe subconsciously, I was trying to. Yeah. Like, not thinking, and I'm not mindful of my words sometimes not understanding that even those things you could piece together and it could hurt you, especially as a woman who's worried about her appearance and this and that. Women have a higher standard of appearance. And I tap into that with some of these little comments that I'm thinking is no big deal. I'm just asking a question. But it is a big deal.

Denis [02:03:56]:
And so, yeah, so I had to come. I had to come to the realization, and I come to it every day in my life. Hey. Oh, I'm a jackass in this area. So, no, by no means am I walking around like, yo, I got. I figured out. Who am I? This little thing is making all my problems. No.

Denis [02:04:10]:
And that's why it's also frustrating to talk to you guys. Cause, like, you're just discrediting another human being's, like, approach as. Just. Cause it's not your approach. It's like, yo, it's B's. Because, like, yo, he's not even in line yet, so it is b's.

Eldar [02:04:21]:
Yeah, yeah.

Denis [02:04:22]:
And it's kind of like, okay, here we go again. What else? You know?

Mike [02:04:26]:
Here we go again.

Denis [02:04:28]:
Yeah. So to answer your question, of course I'm a general jackass.

Eldar [02:04:31]:
Okay, cool. 100% honest. So did you get the answers?

Toliy [02:04:36]:
No. You might believe he's a general jackass, but less than Mike.

Denis [02:04:43]:
He was the answer to that.

Mike [02:04:44]:
Yeah, that's a given.

Denis [02:04:46]:
Yeah, I don't. I don't. You know, I don't know. Does it matter? Like, for the I don't know what.

Mike [02:04:56]:
Experiment, saying, yeah, sure.

Denis [02:04:58]:
You guys also been saying he's been developing a lot lately.

Mike [02:05:02]:
Not in the right areas.

Denis [02:05:04]:
I haven't been around in the last three, four months. I've been, you know, working. I don't know necessarily all the details. You know what I mean? Like, so I can't even, like, how can I answer?

Toliy [02:05:14]:
But there's also no, like, results.

Denis [02:05:16]:
You could also know, like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what he's been doing. So I would have to get to know what.

Mike [02:05:21]:
I don't even know what I've been doing.

Denis [02:05:28]:
Yeah. So, yeah, I don't think it's even really relevant. Like, it's. That's stupid. It's like, okay, cool. If I say yes, he is more. Then what is that? Proof. Oh, actually, like, I'm.

Denis [02:05:38]:
See, I actually don't know shit. I'm actually full shit. I'm not humble. But if I say no, like, you know, but you love.

Mike [02:05:46]:
Why are you asking these ridiculous questions? Explain it yourself.

Denis [02:05:50]:
He's just digging viewers, huh?

Eldar [02:05:54]:
That's a good answer.

Denis [02:05:56]:
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how we got here, but we did.

Mike [02:05:59]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:06:01]:
We always somehow do.

Denis [02:06:02]:
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, if one day you guys are willing to, maybe I could find some outline of key. I don't know.

Eldar [02:06:11]:
What do you mean? No, no, no, don't do that. 17 pages.

Denis [02:06:15]:
Sure. The full thing that'd be great.

Eldar [02:06:18]:
Myself again, reading it out loud. If we can maybe pass it around even.

Mike [02:06:22]:
Yeah, yeah.

Eldar [02:06:22]:
And understanding concept this. Concept.

Mike [02:06:24]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:06:25]:
Of what is being said. And then kind of like, maybe then if you want to practice it, try it. He said, you're welcome to do this all you.

Mike [02:06:31]:
If it's appealing.

Eldar [02:06:32]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Denis [02:06:34]:
No, he might be onto something.

Eldar [02:06:37]:
He might be completely off.

Mike [02:06:38]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:06:38]:
But without reading it. Yeah.

Denis [02:06:40]:
I think the most important part here is, obviously, we can't bring it.

Eldar [02:06:44]:
We can't judge based on the results that you're getting. Obviously.

Denis [02:06:48]:
Why not? You know, my results.

Eldar [02:06:50]:
I mean, you said still you would like to have more willpower, so, like, you're not, like, yet like, a ripened fruit.

Denis [02:06:57]:
I'm not in line for.

Eldar [02:06:58]:
No, a ripened fruit.

Denis [02:07:00]:
Not a light.

Eldar [02:07:01]:
You still green.

Denis [02:07:02]:
Right.

Eldar [02:07:03]:
So because you're still green, I wouldn't want to judge his work based on the. And non actualized student yet.

Denis [02:07:11]:
Correct.

Eldar [02:07:12]:
You know what I'm saying?

Denis [02:07:13]:
For the sake of argument. Yes, I know. It'd be the same.

Eldar [02:07:17]:
Like, it's hard to take your words for it. You know what I'm saying? We would have to take his word for it.

Denis [02:07:21]:
It'd be the same concept as, like, I'm biased. You guys are grooming Mike, right?

Eldar [02:07:25]:
Mm hmm.

Denis [02:07:27]:
Whatever you're grooming him in.

Eldar [02:07:28]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:07:32]:
He still hasn't learned not to touch the mic.

Eldar [02:07:34]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:07:34]:
Definitely didn't groove.

Eldar [02:07:35]:
Well, that's your job.

Denis [02:07:36]:
Still doing it as we speak.

Eldar [02:07:37]:
Well, that's your job. Yeah, but.

Denis [02:07:40]:
But maybe he hasn't checked every box of everything yet. Right? Let's say. Yeah, but just because he's still working on it or whatever, like, you know, to discredit his, like, process just because he hasn't had actualized into all the concepts that you guys are, let's say, teaching. No, but I'm here.

Eldar [02:08:04]:
But I'm gonna tell you right now that throughout his process, at least. Right. Or at least, let's call this our process, like the one that we coined and invented. Okay. For the sake of some individuals that wanted to be outlined within that process, I think he gets challenged and he gets constantly challenged, I think, and trolled or whatever you want to call it, in order to then see whether or not that which he learned or tried to learn is actually sticking or not.

Denis [02:08:30]:
Mm hmm.

Eldar [02:08:32]:
So that's actually, you know, that's kind of like you try to learn and. All right, let's see if you can act it out now. You know what I mean? If you can't, you'll be, you know, you'll be under the gun.

Denis [02:08:41]:
Only things that he's developing in is just things that need to be non reacting to trolls.

Eldar [02:08:47]:
Well, obviously not.

Denis [02:08:48]:
That's the example that you made.

Eldar [02:08:50]:
No, that's just one of the examples. I'm saying. I'm just comparing it to your example, to you, to your practice and stuff like that.

Denis [02:08:55]:
Yeah. I mean, I can also say, like, made that example. Honestly, even with my flaws, is constantly telling me, like, yo, like, noticing different things. Like, yo, you changed on that. I'm proud of you for that. But it's like, who's close in our corner, right? You're in his corner. You're committed to his journey. You see the step by step.

Eldar [02:09:12]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:09:13]:
You're not necessarily like that with me because when, you know, I'm not under your wing 100%, so therefore 100% again, it's like, it's.

Eldar [02:09:22]:
I mean, I'm only, you know, I can't make fun of. Yeah. I can. I can for prolonged times make fun of you, troll you on things that are non existent that I don't know about.

Denis [02:09:31]:
You definitely can definitely try. Give it a good swing.

Mike [02:09:34]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:09:34]:
And it works still.

Mike [02:09:35]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:09:35]:
I mean, my, she's really good. But, uh, the things that you do give us, like, you know, like, you, you know, stormed out of the chat, for example. Like, we are. Bad choice.

Denis [02:09:50]:
A word. Click the n chat. Like, stormed out would be like that. Stormed out.

Eldar [02:09:56]:
Yeah. We don't know what you mumble underneath your breath again.

Denis [02:10:00]:
You talk about, I'm glad we're getting this imagination.

Eldar [02:10:03]:
Yeah.

Mike [02:10:03]:
Like, your imagination.

Denis [02:10:04]:
Reality.

Eldar [02:10:05]:
Yeah. Like, it's like, hey, I had enough of these motherfuckers, right?

Denis [02:10:09]:
Storming out.

Eldar [02:10:10]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:10:10]:
House.

Eldar [02:10:11]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:10:11]:
And then sitting back down.

Eldar [02:10:13]:
No, no. Maybe I need to breathe. You suck. I had enough of these motherfuckers.

Denis [02:10:16]:
I told you. I told you. That was what I started with. The honest truth was like, I was like, yo, why do I feel this way?

Eldar [02:10:21]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:10:22]:
And my. My bridging the gap before I'm able to just be in the state of who am I understanding all these things. I'm not there yet. All the time is like, y'all, like, why? Why you have don't have a process to protect yourself from hitting the same fucking wall? Like, you're not learning shit here. You've been trying to hope to.

Eldar [02:10:39]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:10:39]:
But, like, you're not good at, like, this environment.

Mike [02:10:42]:
Yeah, one day you will.

Eldar [02:10:43]:
So are you working on a process to be able to install it in, like, a group setting?

Denis [02:10:49]:
Like, yeah, in my own, like, my group setting. Again, it's everyone. That's why answering questions of who's blah blah, blah, who's general. We all got our individual journeys. For instance, for me, it's a huge leap for me right now, which, again, like. Like, we can. Mike doesn't have it right now. Totally doesn't have it.

Eldar [02:11:06]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:11:07]:
Just for the purpose of just, like, unbiased facts. It's a huge leap for me right now to be dealing in the last year as now it's gonna be full time. Full time with a woman and living with her and living that process, which is a beautiful one, but it's also for. For a cat, that's a general jackass. Very challenging. And so, for me, that's the ultimate group. Like, right now, that's the biggest group chat I'm trying to hurdle, let's say, where it's like, yeah, I can start with one human being. I make sure I write by this one human being and that one human being.

Denis [02:11:40]:
Also. Also, as you see, points, yo. She don't stand by like, yo. Yeah, I told. I made, like, a little comment, like, yo, maybe you don't even need a phone card. Like, you got wi fi everywhere you go. Why do we need a paper phone? And she was like, yeah, you serious that she, you know, rim rib my butt for a while about it, you know, you're trying to, like, put me in, like, a fucking isolated box over here. And, like, I had to, you know, a little.

Denis [02:12:01]:
She's keeping me wait.

Mike [02:12:02]:
That's not. It's not what you're doing.

Denis [02:12:04]:
My point is, she keeps me in check with a lot of stuff, but at the same time, she's also not. She's not out to get me. You know what I'm saying? Her soul purpose is not like, yo, I'm gonna use my imaginative trolling to prove my concepts and points. Have a great laugh at it. At the same time, like, dispel all your, you know. I mean, like, her point is, like, yo, she wants me to be a better person, just like you want him to be a better person. But she also loves me a lot. She also loves me a lot.

Denis [02:12:30]:
And I love the way she loves me. Let's say she knows how to, like, you know, still, you know.

Eldar [02:12:35]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:12:36]:
Not make me feel like a general jackass, but I don't know, but like me.

Eldar [02:12:40]:
I mean, she's also. She's also, um. She's your love, so you know what I'm saying?

Mike [02:12:46]:
This is.

Denis [02:12:47]:
I say it's the same thing way.

Eldar [02:12:48]:
Yeah, I mean.

Toliy [02:12:52]:
I'd argue that Mike.

Denis [02:12:53]:
Mike.

Toliy [02:12:53]:
Mike loves other more than.

Denis [02:12:54]:
I'll see. Mike loves Eldar more than Osley. You always got interesting. Like, you guess, like, six. Like, you like, to. You also like an imaginary guy. You like. You want to take it, like, just by my opinion.

Denis [02:13:17]:
No, I get it. I definitely get that. I mean, again, how would we. How would we. This is the beauty of your guys is, like. Like, how would we measure? Like.

Toliy [02:13:26]:
No, no, I wasn't trying.

Denis [02:13:29]:
I would argue.

Toliy [02:13:30]:
Like, I would argue.

Denis [02:13:34]:
How are you basing this?

Eldar [02:13:35]:
Like, for what? Why do you care, bro?

Denis [02:13:40]:
No, because he's bringing it up.

Eldar [02:13:42]:
Oh.

Toliy [02:13:43]:
I mean, how I base it. I mean, yeah, probably based on, like, the things that has transpired between all the parts.

Denis [02:13:50]:
Really?

Eldar [02:13:51]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:13:51]:
You. You sure you would want to map those out? We could. I have a few things in mind that would probably discredit your theory. But again, it's like, what is it?

Eldar [02:13:59]:
Like, do it, do it, do it.

Mike [02:14:02]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:14:04]:
How will we decipher that? Like. Like, okay, I'll give you two again, like this. Again, your questions lead to ratty territory, but you're the ratty person in general. Your probably thesis will be, hey. Like, well, if I. If I just played along and said, yo, well, give me some examples, you would say, okay, well, honestly, I don't know. Or if he was. It was the reverse.

Eldar [02:14:22]:
Like, that.

Denis [02:14:22]:
I don't love that he loves more than I love, like, oh, like, you're.

Eldar [02:14:26]:
You know.

Denis [02:14:28]:
You guys had these blow ups. Whatever. You would go through a list or, like, oh, that one time you didn't want her to get a dog. You know what I mean? And, like, blah, blah, blah, right? And I would say, like, oh, mike also, like, you know, violated. Oh, God. With the business and stuff like that. They've talked about that openly, you know? I mean, you know, I mean, it's like, how are we, like, again, this tick for tack. That's the problem.

Denis [02:14:47]:
Like, this life thing is not fucking, you know, like, who's got this upper hand? You know? Like, it's.

Eldar [02:14:54]:
It's like, are you abandoning that taking? Like, uh, comparing the notes theory?

Denis [02:15:00]:
I mean, I adapted the compete with you guys, try to. Try to stay in the race with you guys of, like, you know, people, the trolling, you know?

Eldar [02:15:15]:
I hear change now.

Denis [02:15:17]:
No, because I know I'm definitely. I've been real, especially with some of these, like, conversations, like, arguing about, like.

Toliy [02:15:23]:
Like, neither one.

Denis [02:15:25]:
Mike don't believe in discipline, and he's got a better, like, God bless.

Eldar [02:15:28]:
No point to argue we never are. That wasn't our, like, arms. We didn't take up those arms. You took a parent. You armed yourself.

Denis [02:15:41]:
Would you consider, like, completely dismissing and just like, trolling and talking over the. All these sessions, talking shit about discipline, for example. Yeah, like, as not like arm. Of course you're arming against it. You literally call it complete bullshit. It's dead. Every topic tends to be. That's.

Eldar [02:16:00]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:16:01]:
From a different party. Dead or bullshitter.

Toliy [02:16:03]:
You know, he's asking, is that you comparing those?

Denis [02:16:06]:
No, of course you're saying my shit is. That's it. Like, this is. This is the way that. Oh, I'm not even one.

Eldar [02:16:11]:
That's how you sing about it.

Denis [02:16:12]:
Yeah, I will entertain it. Did you think like that? Say, your imagination has painted the path of how it's gonna be this way. Anyways, I'm not even gonna bother because one time I went with my sister and some fucking weirdo with no teeth, like, made me have a bad experience of spirituality, you know? And again, the thing is, I'm weirdo. Like, I don't fuck with spirituality either anymore. That's the best one. You guys compare this like it's all nonsense. I don't care about. I just care about.

Denis [02:16:37]:
I just want to. I told this guy, that's it. I don't care about that. Care about.

Eldar [02:16:40]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:16:41]:
Staying or not. You know what I mean? Not. But that's why we're not gonna go.

Mike [02:16:46]:
Back in the cave when you.

Denis [02:16:47]:
We're actually probably closer to. To the same kind of concepts. That's why my theory is that then. Then you think. Because again, I'm not advocating for some. No, just sit on the mat. This and that. Even though you're looking at the meditation as that.

Denis [02:16:58]:
It's like this voodoo thing. It's not. It's very much this inquiring, inquiring. Inquiring into what the fuck is going on.

Mike [02:17:05]:
Yeah. Now, after today's conversation, I feel like we're more and more further apart.

Eldar [02:17:12]:
No one in. Yeah. You know, I do hear something contradictory statements from him. Like, on one hand, he goes, yeah, you guys, like, you. You have your shit. It's your shit. It's like you're doing your own thing. This is your weird stuff.

Eldar [02:17:25]:
You theorizing and philosophy bubble. You never come out of it. There's a real world out there, guys. Right? Like, I hear that a lot. But now he's saying, hey, now if we start thinking about it, actually comparing stuff, it's more similar to mine than anything.

Denis [02:17:37]:
Well, that's. That's what you're.

Eldar [02:17:39]:
So it's, again, a change of tune.

Denis [02:17:41]:
You can. Sure, you can make that statement, but that's because.

Eldar [02:17:45]:
Well, that's what I'm hearing.

Denis [02:17:46]:
That's why. Because the reason why is, for instance, even in these two weeks, why? Because. Give you credit, you know, I don't give you all the time anymore.

Eldar [02:17:57]:
Right.

Denis [02:17:57]:
Yeah. Well, you pose the question like, yeah, you guys have to define certain things first before you.

Eldar [02:18:02]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:18:02]:
And through that, we define and we're able to see each other's viewpoints. Right.

Eldar [02:18:07]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:18:08]:
Realize, oh, it is important to define and so on and so forth. And so, therefore, through that, I still uncovered that. Like, it's different for sure, but the minutiae is almost irrelevant. I'm seeing past it where it's like, it's the same thing to me.

Eldar [02:18:22]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:18:22]:
It's just. It's like, different. I don't. I guess the only comparison I got is, like, one person is painting gifted with artistically, and one is, like, gifted mathematically. You know, I'm not the mathematical one or the artistic one. So we'd have to use a different example, though.

Eldar [02:18:36]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:18:36]:
No, no, but they're still doing, like.

Toliy [02:18:39]:
You're definitely closer to art than that.

Denis [02:18:42]:
Oh, my God.

Eldar [02:18:46]:
Yeah. Holy shit. You ever try fingerprinting? Painting?

Denis [02:18:52]:
I mean, you forgot we painted together.

Eldar [02:18:54]:
Finger painting. I'm saying, though, he's an abstract fellow. Yeah. Throwing shit up.

Denis [02:19:01]:
I still say my bird was better on the tree than yours.

Eldar [02:19:04]:
Yes, for sure.

Mike [02:19:05]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:19:06]:
So, um. So where were we? Where. Where are we?

Denis [02:19:10]:
Who is night probably further apart than we've ever been.

Mike [02:19:13]:
Yeah, I think we're further than we started.

Eldar [02:19:14]:
No, listen, I see a different pattern. He's actually talking, which is kind of good.

Mike [02:19:18]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:19:19]:
Huh.

Toliy [02:19:20]:
Participation.

Eldar [02:19:21]:
Yeah.

Toliy [02:19:21]:
And you're not paying extra for that.

Eldar [02:19:23]:
To clear the record, uh, in the monetary way. No, no. Maybe. Maybe on some other way. Because you can pay different ways with time, energy, stress, whatever it is. Okay, cool. So then you would have to say that it is not us that are changing, but it is his approach. Yeah, it might be working.

Eldar [02:19:55]:
The ten minutes really light. Well, think about it. There's a new pattern. Right. Maybe he's getting better sleep because you sleep during it. I don't know if he's. Are you sleeping better? He's like a two to three.

Denis [02:20:11]:
I'm not sleeping. I'm sleeping sometimes better, but sometimes I'm not sleeping better, but I'm realizing that the smoothies habits over these couple.

Eldar [02:20:17]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:20:17]:
Like, right now I only got four and a half hours of sleep.

Eldar [02:20:20]:
Whoa.

Denis [02:20:20]:
I was editing a podcast late and I feel fine. Like, I'm noticing that, but, like, I'll sleep less, but because some of my other structures and disciplines help me with.

Eldar [02:20:28]:
Oh, shit.

Denis [02:20:29]:
I got energy. I'm okay. But before I be like, boy, by this time I'd be knocked out.

Eldar [02:20:34]:
Yeah, okay. Yeah, no, I said then there might be. Yeah, because we obviously is not changing our tune. Right. He understands that. This is the tune. Is this the tune? The tune is the tune. So he has to independently change.

Eldar [02:20:48]:
I mean, he doesn't have to, obviously, but he is because, you know, if he's participating and stuff like that.

Denis [02:20:55]:
Yeah, no, I still sometimes, like, I'll do one week. I'm not saying anything. One week. I am just. This is two weeks.

Eldar [02:21:00]:
No, but it's the. Oh more. So, like, it's a. That's a definitely different pattern.

Mike [02:21:04]:
So.

Eldar [02:21:04]:
Yeah, okay.

Denis [02:21:05]:
To be honest with you, I didn't even want to really, you know, after last week, I was like, I probably shouldn't. I'm like, I. Maybe I'll make that decision at one point. Create a system not to participate.

Eldar [02:21:13]:
Based on what? Based on, like, how behaved.

Denis [02:21:15]:
Well, yeah, cuz it's like it. Because it's like, it's useless. It's like you got your way of the trolling and discrediting everything about anybody. My life.

Eldar [02:21:26]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:21:27]:
You know, and it's like, okay, that's what we sat for two and a half years. Yeah, my man's right. We got like, I don't think so. I think it's still. There's still some. Maybe. Probably. Like, the point is, like, overall, like, this man is not about to read.

Denis [02:21:43]:
Who am I? And nor did he understand when I was rambling, trying to explain to him what it is. He's like, probably it's one of those 9th things again. Like, he don't, he don't. He ain't vibing with it. You definitely, like we say, I mean.

Eldar [02:21:56]:
But first of all, confirmed that we're gonna do this. Yeah.

Denis [02:21:59]:
Okay.

Eldar [02:22:02]:
Did you not hear us? No, bro. We're gonna take the document, we're gonna read it out loud. I said. I said we're gonna even pass it around. I'm hundred serious about this.

Denis [02:22:12]:
Maybe what's. I don't know what the best way to do it is, but.

Eldar [02:22:14]:
What do you mean? Print out three copies? Yeah. Yeah. What's the problem printing? It's a black and white text.

Denis [02:22:29]:
Like, actually it's small pages. It might even be like, only like seven, bro.

Eldar [02:22:33]:
Send me the shit. I'll do it.

Mike [02:22:34]:
Yeah?

Denis [02:22:34]:
Okay. Sure.

Eldar [02:22:35]:
Yeah, why not?

Denis [02:22:35]:
What? Next week?

Eldar [02:22:36]:
We can do it next week. Yeah. It won't take us more than an hour, probably, to read it if it's 17 pages.

Denis [02:22:42]:
No, to me, hour plus talking.

Eldar [02:22:46]:
Well, no, talking and discussing is gonna take longer, I think, but the reading part is gonna. Not all we can read and discuss through it. We can read and discuss.

Denis [02:22:53]:
Or if it's too drags on, it could be done in two sessions, let's say, for example.

Eldar [02:22:58]:
Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah. We can name that podcast. No, you're right. Let's do a little ask. What's like a consumable, um, discipline? No, no. Consumable, um, discipline. No, not discipline.

Eldar [02:23:11]:
No, no. Consumable. No content. No, um, consumable dose. Promise. What's a consumable promise here.

Toliy [02:23:21]:
Just a printed.

Eldar [02:23:25]:
Thank you, tolly. See? Yeah, we're done for you with that. We're gonna bring it. We're gonna leave it here.

Denis [02:23:46]:
When it's funny, it's funny. You know what I mean? Like, that's funny.

Eldar [02:23:50]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm glad you kept your sense of humor, man. Like, you know, I.

Denis [02:24:08]:
Do you know me enough or like. Yeah, yeah. I always had thick skin.

Eldar [02:24:13]:
No good. No, you, a seasoned vet, you.

Denis [02:24:17]:
That. You gotta give me that at least 100%.

Eldar [02:24:19]:
Sometimes you actually even surprise me.

Denis [02:24:21]:
That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Eldar [02:24:22]:
You know, I mean, like, if you're very. Still very predictable. But you do surprise me.

Denis [02:24:25]:
Yeah, I like that one, too.

Eldar [02:24:29]:
Yeah, it's good.

Denis [02:24:29]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:24:30]:
Okay.

Denis [02:24:30]:
See, when it's harmless, it's like, you know.

Eldar [02:24:32]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:24:35]:
Yeah. You.

Eldar [02:24:36]:
So you're saying, um. All right, cool. That's what you're saying?

Denis [02:24:46]:
To read it.

Eldar [02:24:47]:
Go get it. Yeah. All right, cool. Guys, you guys, any final thoughts? What was the topic for today?

Mike [02:24:54]:
No.

Eldar [02:24:58]:
Yeah. Who's the general jackass? I personally think I'm a general jackass myself, and, you know, but it works for me.

Mike [02:25:07]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:25:07]:
And I'm saying, you know, I think I. Anybody can call themselves General Jackass if they highlight their own incompetencies. Yeah. Stupidity, incompetence. I think it is important. Yeah, I think it is important. Yeah.

Denis [02:25:23]:
It's humility.

Eldar [02:25:25]:
Yeah. Oh, that's. Look at that circle. All the way back to humility again. All right.

Denis [02:25:33]:
You got to be able to make fun of yourself, and you got to be able to. To still know that at the end of day. Like, even, you know, you don't know everything.

Eldar [02:25:43]:
Yeah.

Denis [02:25:43]:
We just don't know. There's always so much more to learn or to put together. But that's hard to do sometimes because.

Mike [02:25:50]:
In the moments we think we here to make fun of yourself or like other people make fun of you.

Denis [02:25:58]:
The first.

Eldar [02:26:00]:
Yeah, but why especially if those things because you, you can, you can, uh, you can measure the dose for yourself.

Mike [02:26:07]:
You can take it easy on yourself.

Denis [02:26:09]:
But you shouldn't even if you can.

Eldar [02:26:11]:
You probably will probably take it easy.

Denis [02:26:14]:
Like for instance, myself as an example. Sometimes, especially with new people and social, like, ask these friends I make fun of myself. Like, like just my competencies. Like, yeah, I'm fucking terrible trader, blah, blah, blah. Go into whatever and like it's just straight up like where I could say in that moment, like, yeah, I've been trading, I've been really trying to perfect this art. Like, nah, bro. Like, I fucking lost my money on this shit. You know, it's rather just to be like honest and make fun of yourself.

Denis [02:26:38]:
But it's easier because the other, when it's like I'm prep, you're still, when you're saying you're even a second prepared when someone else is saying that you're caught off guard.

Mike [02:26:48]:
Oh, wow, I got a comfort level. Yeah. Does not have a high ass.

Denis [02:26:52]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:26:53]:
You what you would want to be yourself to it though. Yeah. Beat anybody else to it too. Because, you know, the faster you catch your own dumbass self and an act or whatever it is, behavior or thought or whatever it is, it's better than somebody else catches you, obviously. You know what I mean? It's, it would be good if you could do both. If you have both, obviously. Right. I think that if you don't catch it, somebody else will catch it, hold you accountable.

Eldar [02:27:16]:
I think that's very important. So if you surround yourself around people that are, can be true to you.

Mike [02:27:20]:
If you into that sort of thing.

Eldar [02:27:22]:
Yeah, if you into that sort of thing. But if you like, like a PC pansy, you know what I'm saying? You know, saying, yeah, if you, you.

Denis [02:27:29]:
Know, you know, that's a good shirt.

Eldar [02:27:31]:
Yeah. Are you a PC, PC Pansy? Yeah.

Mike [02:27:36]:
Yeah.

Eldar [02:27:37]:
If you're a PC pansy, then, you know what I mean? Then, yeah, then, then, shit. Pray that you can make fun of yourself or catch yourself. But at that point I'm not even sure if you can. You know what I mean?

Denis [02:27:47]:
I think, yeah, I think true PC people don't even make fun of the south.

Eldar [02:27:51]:
Yeah, yeah. They take themselves to serious level behavior.

Denis [02:27:55]:
Because it's like you're like, yeah, like you can't even.

Eldar [02:27:58]:
Yeah. I'm glad we didn't lose you to that shit, that whole movement. You're very loving at the structure. Yeah. Out of those types of things, like.

Mike [02:28:31]:
Outside of, like, his comfort levels.

Eldar [02:28:33]:
Yeah.

Mike [02:28:34]:
He's here to ask somebody for extra ketchup with fries, bro, when he goes to the thing.

Denis [02:28:37]:
But that's not PC. I mean, I guess you could say it's PC short. I have some element, but, like, that's EQ.

Eldar [02:28:43]:
That's Eq.

Denis [02:28:43]:
That's fear. It's like, fear of how I was just, like, raised. My mom was always scared of everything. My dad.

Eldar [02:28:49]:
It's.

Denis [02:28:49]:
It's.

Mike [02:28:50]:
PC is, like, scared to say what you actually feel.

Denis [02:28:53]:
Yeah, no, I always, like, I say what I feel, but I definitely have moments for sure where I, like, I don't want to. My PC version. I'm not PC with, like, put, like, latest current of none of that shit, but I am PC with, like, I don't want to, like. And true, I don't want to, like. Like, I'm like, I'm inconvenient. I got two jobs today, and I'm telling Tara, like, I warned her in advance. Tyra, just let you know, like, this person's about to pay. Like, yeah, well, yeah, like, no, like, yeah, I have that.

Denis [02:29:23]:
No, because I know she's like, you know, she's been lower one.

Eldar [02:29:26]:
Whatever.

Denis [02:29:26]:
It's like, I don't want to. Like, I'm like, yeah, you know, like, here. I don't get a single job in a month and a half, and then, boom. Like, so I don't want to, you know? I definitely have those moments where, like, I. Somebody else just doing our job.

Eldar [02:29:40]:
All right, guys, I don't have nothing. I'm tired.

Denis [02:29:41]:
All right, guys.

Eldar [02:29:42]:
This was great.

Mike [02:29:43]:
That was good.

Eldar [02:29:43]:
Yeah, that was good as always. Bye.

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