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42. Practical Tips for Mindful Living and Emotional Peace according to Denis

Dennis Rox
Nov 04, 2022•1 hr 20 min•Ep. 42
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How can being in the moment and practicing mindfulness help manage stress and improve emotional well-being?

In this compelling episode of Dennis Rox, titled "Practical Tips for Mindful Living and Emotional Peace according to Denis" our hosts, Toliy, Mike, and Eldar, along with guests Denis, Ivanna, and Katherine, dive deep into the intricate world of mindfulness and meditation. Denis shares his journey of incorporating short meditation sessions into his life over the past three months as a way to manage stress, finding a sense of emotional relief even without achieving enlightenment. The group delves into the impact of consuming negative content and how it contributes to a tense state that hinders being present in the moment.

The conversation explores the duality of experiences, the power of fear versus love, and the concept of "conscious doing" versus simply performing actions. Ivanna draws from "Think Like a Monk" by Jay Shetty to emphasize the power of attention in truly being in the moment, while the hosts debate whether one can achieve success and remain present. Through personal anecdotes, humorous exchanges, and challenging societal narratives, the episode seeks to answer the most important question: How can we balance achieving our goals while genuinely living in the moment?

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Transcript

Denis [00:00:00]:
On this week's episode, just by turning.

Ivanna [00:00:01]:
On the tv, we know that there's a new car coming out, a new Tesla coming out, a new cell phone coming out. So you're constantly thinking, okay, well, what do I have to do to get that? Because it is like a constant competition versus just enjoying what you currently have and living in that present moment.

Toliy [00:00:17]:
Immersion of the actual, like, moment has no, like, no ties to it. Like, bad or good or, like, that's the hard part.

Mike [00:00:23]:
To think to yourself, like, hey, why am I going to Instagram? To look at these Russian models, You.

Toliy [00:00:27]:
Know, like, all these different thoughts and, like, you know, fears and anxieties. Although they don't give you a present moment, the reason that they live is that it feels like they guarantee you a future.

Eldar [00:00:37]:
You have no courage. You can't face yourself. Therefore you can't do more than 10 minutes. You just go to church on Sundays, you know, if you've sinned all week, and you go and you go and you're repaying your sins on Sundays and say, you know what? Yeah, like, I'm so sorry for everything that I've done, you know, during those 10 minutes, and that's it. And then you move on. You don't actually like meditation. No, that's a lie.

Ivanna [00:00:53]:
He went to an ashram in India to become a monk.

Eldar [00:00:57]:
Actually, I know a guy who went to ashram. Today's topic is actually, what does it actually mean to be present? Right. How do you know you are in the moment? Quote unquote. A lot of times we have people advise other people to be like, you know, and they usually say, oh, just be in the moment or be present. Right. A lot of times, I guess they say that is because they want you to enjoy something about that moment. Right? And somehow if you're present during that moment, you somehow get something else extra from it. Right.

Eldar [00:01:41]:
I guess maybe it's a cliche statement. Be present, be in the moment. Right. Slow down. But what does it actually mean to be present? And how do we know when we are in the moment? All right, we have a hand raiser, Ivana, but we will not. We're not gonna call on her. No, we're not gonna call upon her because.

Ivanna [00:02:09]:
Okay, so oftentimes I don't. Well, now as I've grown up, I don't like to say, well, I want to spend time with you. Sometimes I prefer to say, okay, well, are you giving. Are you going to give me your time or are you going to give me your attention? Because sometimes I prefer Attention over time. Sometimes you spend time with each other, but we spend time on our phones. But I would much rather spend time with someone who gives me the attention.

Eldar [00:02:38]:
Very good. That's a very good example. So that's how I. Yeah, because when we were walking and talking about this topic, Remember what we talked about? Attention, Right. So what happens a lot of the times, right, we're going to say, all right, I'm going to go and take a walk, right? Enjoy this walk with my dog, for example. Which means, you know, if you're just typically just walking, I would say you enjoy nature, breathing fresh air, maybe the scenery. You like the different colors of the leaves and stuff like that. But then you're on your phone, right? You pick up the phone, and then you're somewhere else completely.

Eldar [00:03:06]:
You're no longer walking the dog. You're not enjoying nature, you're not breathing fresh air. You actually. Probably solving some kind of problem on the phone, you know, and doing something a little bit more stressful than you first set out to do. So. Yeah. So I think it's very important what she said. You know what I mean? The difference between let's spend time together versus let's give each other attention.

Eldar [00:03:28]:
That's a big one, Right? Attention almost calls for to be in that present moment. To be in the moment, right.

Mike [00:03:35]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:03:36]:
Very good example. I'm actually very surprised that it came from you.

Mike [00:03:41]:
She did say. She did say that she grew up, though. Oh, she did say she's grew up.

Eldar [00:03:46]:
You mean this has grown on her?

Mike [00:03:49]:
No, I'm not sure if she's using it. I just heard her say that she grew up, so now she understands, you know, deep concepts.

Eldar [00:03:56]:
What did you hear this from?

Ivanna [00:03:58]:
Actually, I read it from a book.

Eldar [00:04:00]:
Thank you.

Mike [00:04:01]:
There you go.

Eldar [00:04:01]:
Now we're talking.

Ivanna [00:04:03]:
Is called are you serious? Think like a monk by Jay Shetty.

Katherine [00:04:07]:
Oh, I have the audiobook.

Eldar [00:04:08]:
Are you kidding me?

Katherine [00:04:09]:
I just. I just.

Mike [00:04:10]:
Yeah, the podcast is over, guys.

Ivanna [00:04:12]:
I have the.

Mike [00:04:13]:
You just put noodles on your head, bro.

Katherine [00:04:14]:
I have the audiobook.

Eldar [00:04:15]:
Yeah? Yeah. I'm like, okay, cool. This person actually told you I can show it to you guys.

Toliy [00:04:21]:
She said. Cat said she has the audiobook, too.

Denis [00:04:25]:
I almost don't want to say it, but, like, for your amusement.

Mike [00:04:28]:
Out.

Denis [00:04:29]:
Jay Shetty, the author?

Eldar [00:04:30]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:04:31]:
A couple years back, got caught posting fake quotes like repurposing.

Eldar [00:04:37]:
Oh, my God. Are you serious? Are you serious?

Ivanna [00:04:40]:
He went to an ashram in India to become a monk.

Eldar [00:04:44]:
Actually, I know a guy who went to ashram. Personally, I'm not Gonna say, you know what I'm saying? Yes, yes, yes. Let me know what my feet smell. That's. That's exactly what I'm trying to accomplish.

Ivanna [00:05:02]:
I thought it was Archie.

Eldar [00:05:03]:
Yeah. Okay, cool.

Katherine [00:05:05]:
It's definitely not me.

Toliy [00:05:06]:
That's exactly what I'm trying to accomplish.

Eldar [00:05:09]:
Make you smell my feet. Yeah. All right, cool. Whether we live off Mike or Toly, when we were on our walk. All right.

Toliy [00:05:18]:
I think it's bad for the bikes.

Mike [00:05:20]:
Totally.

Eldar [00:05:21]:
Actually came up. Yeah, totally. Totally came up with some outrageous, I would say, statement. He said along the line, something like, people don't believe that they can be in the moment but still accomplish their goals, desires. If you care to explain, that'd be great. If you don't. Yeah.

Toliy [00:05:42]:
Well, I guess it was coming from like, I feel like being in the moment is this kind of like. I don't know. I would say that people would refer it as like a special experience. Probably. Right. Like, it's Right. And I feel like, like I went. When I said it, I said consciously or unconsciously because I wasn't sure.

Toliy [00:06:00]:
Right. It's probably more times unconsciously. Right?

Eldar [00:06:03]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:06:03]:
Or subconsciously. Right. But yeah, I feel like people have a hard time committing to, like, just doing that one thing or like, just like. Yeah, like in. In general doing one thing at a time or being present for one thing. Because I think that subconsciously they feel that, like, it will impede with, like, their aspirations or their goals or their desires. I think that, like, why?

Eldar [00:06:32]:
How's that possible?

Toliy [00:06:34]:
I mean, I feel like they probably bought into like a life of multitasking and being convinced that, like, they can do a lot of things at one time and that they should if they want to be on like a particular progression, like a level. So it's like just saying, like, oh, like, I'm gonna leave my phone in the car and go do X, Y and Z. You know, like the fear mongering people or stuff like that might say, like, hey, like, what happens if you get an email? Like, what if you miss an important call? What if this happens? Or like, what if that.

Eldar [00:07:05]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:07:05]:
What if there's like, news that they're missing out? Yeah. Like, what if there's like, you know, news about this? Or, like, what of that? Right. So it feels like, like they feel like they cannot be in the moment and commit to the moment because, like, there's gonna be something that they're missing out on. Like, it's, it's. It, like I. I think also living a life that's like more in the moment I also feel is like, people feel that, like it's a, it's a result of accomplishment of something. So it's like after you've kind of made it to the top, for example, then, then you can do, do, do this. Yeah.

Toliy [00:07:41]:
But before that you gotta plug away. You gotta like make shit happen. Yeah.

Eldar [00:07:46]:
Okay, that's very, I think that's very good.

Katherine [00:07:49]:
But that's a good explanation.

Eldar [00:07:50]:
That's a good explanation. However, I think that just for the kind of maybe a survey purpose here, can we go around the room and see what everybody feels that question means? I just want to see kind of like, how are we perceiving this actual thing? What does it actually mean to be present?

Ivanna [00:08:08]:
That's the question.

Eldar [00:08:10]:
Yeah, like you want to start, if that's okay. What do you personally feel.

Ivanna [00:08:16]:
That means with being present? I think means with as little distractions as possible and being fully engaged with the present moment, with what's really in front of your eyes.

Eldar [00:08:27]:
Okay. Okay, babe, I think. What does that actually mean to you?

Katherine [00:08:34]:
Well, I think it would mean no distractions. So I think on one hand I feel like we consider the distractions are only like physical, like a cell phone, a TV or whatever. But I think that really being in the moment also means quieting your mind. So also not, you know, if you have anxious thoughts or whatever. Quieting, that would be the present moment.

Toliy [00:08:59]:
I would say, okay, totally to you. I mean, I, I think it's, it's exactly like what, what we spoke about. It's like whatever that you set out to do or like intend to do to, to, to, yeah, to do exactly that. And like. Yeah, Nothing like else.

Eldar [00:09:24]:
Nothing. So focus again.

Mike [00:09:25]:
Focus.

Eldar [00:09:27]:
Okay, Dennis?

Denis [00:09:29]:
Yeah, I agree with Catherine. As far as the present moment, as far as I understand the definition, it all has to do with the mind. So not having as many thoughts or none at all as being by definition in a moment. Because then whatever that moment may be, doesn't matter what it is. Even if it's just in this room, if I don't have a million things going on in my head, that means then I don't have anxieties and different things. And I'm not elsewhere, I'm just here. I'm able to just be here. Whatever that present moment entails, I'm here.

Denis [00:10:02]:
When I'm not in the present moment, it means that I would say every single time, it means my head is somewhere else because of the thoughts. So it's a thoughts based thing to me. Then the details are kind of Almost irrelevant. Meaning, like, it could be anything at that point, as long as you're. You're not thinking about other.

Eldar [00:10:24]:
Okay.

Toliy [00:10:24]:
You know, do you. Do you think that, like, be. Before we move on. On that.

Eldar [00:10:28]:
Do you.

Toliy [00:10:28]:
Do you think that you need to have a million thoughts in your mind before you can have, like, in. In order to have, like, none or. Or one.

Eldar [00:10:36]:
Hold on one second. You jump in the gun.

Toliy [00:10:38]:
All right, fine.

Eldar [00:10:39]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:10:40]:
Mike, you have nothing original to add.

Eldar [00:10:44]:
Nothing original to. All right, cool. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, to me, then. Sorry, Mike, I have to skip you. That's okay, though. This actually means to be present. Yeah.

Eldar [00:10:54]:
Everything you guys mentioned, I agree with that 100%. And I think. I think Dennis, based on what he said, what came to mind is to be. If you're going to be present, that means you have to be in the now, which means right now, which not means in the past that something just happened. Right. I got a flat tire or whatever. Or in the future that, you know, I don't know I'm going to fail that class. Right.

Eldar [00:11:13]:
That's actually being present in the moment. So. Yeah.

Toliy [00:11:16]:
Can you describe that, though, without saying the word now?

Eldar [00:11:20]:
The moment, like.

Toliy [00:11:21]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:11:22]:
No, I think. No, you can't. I think you have to talk about.

Denis [00:11:24]:
When you're describing it. It's already fleeted. If you have to describe it. It's like the now is just like, as. Like, now. Like, literally now.

Toliy [00:11:33]:
Okay.

Eldar [00:11:34]:
Yeah. In the case of, like, right now that we're having this conversation about this present moment, I think that if everybody's tuned in and paying attention and focus on that and thinking about it, I think that's. We are experiencing probably a present moment of now. You know what I mean? We're actually. If you. If you yourself right now sitting there and actually worrying about what you're going to have for dinner, for example, you might be actually teetering between the present moment in the future. I'm not sure, though. Everybody has their own thoughts here, right? Did I read that correctly?

Toliy [00:12:00]:
No. I think my mom already mentioned to me that she's planning on picking up Thai food, so I don't have to worry about that.

Eldar [00:12:06]:
You're covered there.

Toliy [00:12:07]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:12:07]:
Okay.

Mike [00:12:08]:
But doesn't mean that he's not thinking about it.

Eldar [00:12:09]:
Yeah. Doesn't mean that you're not thinking about that. You're gonna enjoy it later.

Toliy [00:12:12]:
Yeah. It's out of my mind.

Denis [00:12:14]:
I don't know if this is accurate or not. I remember hearing this many years ago, back in my spiritual days, that we are. We think, like they did some sort of study or whatever that it's like over a thousand thoughts per second.

Eldar [00:12:28]:
What?

Denis [00:12:29]:
Per second?

Mike [00:12:29]:
Yeah. What the hell? So it's just like non stop.

Eldar [00:12:33]:
Is that like the higher thing? That's easy, right?

Mike [00:12:35]:
For you?

Eldar [00:12:35]:
What?

Toliy [00:12:35]:
I probably got 2,000. Yeah.

Denis [00:12:38]:
We're just not really obviously realizing it's all this is firing off.

Eldar [00:12:42]:
Wow.

Denis [00:12:43]:
So I would. I would imagine that anxiety would just mean that you probably got 2,000 first.

Eldar [00:12:47]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:12:47]:
You know, just more and more, you know, and then that can be, of course, overwhelming, which then translates to you not being in the moment. Because I could be sitting here, I'm thinking about.

Eldar [00:12:55]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:12:56]:
How to get rich.

Eldar [00:12:57]:
Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah.

Denis [00:13:00]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:13:03]:
That.

Toliy [00:13:03]:
That's why I was saying is that like, like the desire for like, improvement or for like, goals? I. I feel like not, not. Not that it's like inherently anti moment, but I feel like it makes certain individuals like, anti moment. Because like, like what he said, like, if you have a desire to be rich, like you, like when you're thinking about like progression, it's always like something in the future.

Eldar [00:13:27]:
Okay. Yeah. So.

Mike [00:13:28]:
Yeah, but aren't you, Aren't you focused into figuring out the. Like, aren't you in that moment you are thinking about the future, but you're currently thinking about it and you're like, you're actually in the moment with your focus on it?

Toliy [00:13:40]:
Well, if you actually are and are able to like, separate those things, but then like, when it comes to progress, like, I think those are probably the individuals that are able to take like a lot of small steps, like, and be consistent with them and are actually like immersed in that. But I feel like a lot of people always try to think about like, big steps and they're always like. And because of that, I feel like they're stuck.

Mike [00:14:04]:
Yeah. I mean, maybe people think about big steps.

Eldar [00:14:07]:
I think that people think about big goals, but.

Toliy [00:14:09]:
Yeah, but like big steps to try to like, accomplish those goals. But then they can't really. I would say there's a.

Denis [00:14:18]:
There's a. Since you guys are sports guys, there's a. There's a Maybe, you know, but there's a theory on it called flow state. The athletes are. Why they're able to achieve such certain things is because they're in the flow state. They're in the purest present moment. So like, he's just. Kobe's just focusing on that shot at that moment.

Denis [00:14:35]:
He's not thinking about all the million things and it's not. Which then allows human beings to achieve certain Sex out. Yeah. Because they're just in that specific thing.

Eldar [00:14:45]:
Yeah. So based on what Tony's saying, I think is more explaining as to why it's hard to be in the present moment. I think, like, why? Yeah. So hard to be in the present moment, because I think, like you said, if people set out to have these grandiose desires. Right. Which are not in the present, I want to be rich, and you clearly not right now.

Toliy [00:15:02]:
You want to be.

Eldar [00:15:03]:
You want to be in the future.

Toliy [00:15:05]:
Right.

Eldar [00:15:05]:
So if that desire is strong, it's constantly buzzing in your head.

Toliy [00:15:08]:
Yes.

Eldar [00:15:09]:
Right. You're probably inflicted by that pain.

Toliy [00:15:12]:
You never am anything. You're not going to be something.

Eldar [00:15:15]:
Something else. Yeah. You know, so it's very hard for you to then zoom in and enjoy that which is in the present moment. Right. Because the present moment does not have riches. Right.

Mike [00:15:26]:
To that person, I would say yes, but then how. Okay, fine. But how then? How do you. You're saying that you can never get to a goal. Are you guys saying that you cannot get to a goal and be in the moment at the same time?

Eldar [00:15:40]:
Well, that's. That's a question to Toli. And let's go with. Try to answer that real quick. And then we have Ivana, who's gonna go after Dennis after I go as well. I'm sorry.

Denis [00:15:50]:
Yeah. Why you guys bully her so much?

Ivanna [00:15:53]:
As special guests.

Eldar [00:15:54]:
Special guests. You know, she needs to go through the ring as she knows she went to college. It's like hazing. Yeah.

Ivanna [00:15:59]:
So Coley, Toli.

Toliy [00:16:02]:
Excuse me.

Ivanna [00:16:03]:
Is talking about those big and major goals. And I think that big and major goals are great, and they're great to have, but part of getting to those major goals is breaking those goals down to smaller goals and saying, okay, well, if I do want to be, as an example, be rich in the future, what do I need to do to get there? So you break that down and you say, okay, what can I be doing six months, three months, and on a daily basis, what can I be doing? So you break down that plan, and on those daily goals, you focus down, and you take those daily goals, and you're present in those daily goals that, you know are working towards the larger goal. So, for instance, you know, you want to be wealthy. Well, you come up with a plan, you come up with these smaller goals, and then on the day to day, you're present with those daily goals. And what tends to happen, that's completely out of your control. But what you can control is the daily and what you're currently Working on or what you're presently working on, or if you want to use another word for it instead of the now. I think that's what's really important in order for you to live and fulfill those goals. It's not think, this is what I want to be.

Ivanna [00:17:09]:
It's no, it's more of like, what can I be doing in this present moment to satisfy those goals?

Eldar [00:17:15]:
Interesting.

Mike [00:17:15]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:17:16]:
Do me a favor and can you bring the work cited? You said that.

Mike [00:17:21]:
See, I think with that, what Totally is saying, I think and what Ivana is saying, to put into different terms, would be that the person who's like this, he's more so concentrated on the destination and his whole life is fulfilled, filled with thinking about the destination versus Ivana. She's like, actually, I want to enjoy the journey and the destination will be. Will just come, you know, like, that's the way I would visualize it, you know?

Eldar [00:17:45]:
Yes.

Mike [00:17:46]:
I don't know if that's what you meant, you know, but.

Eldar [00:17:48]:
Well, it's. I think it's also. I think it's also rare. I think the individuals that wrote the books that Ivana read quoting. Right. Had the ability, right, what she said, to tune in into the smaller goals and be in the moment with those goals. So what they actually want it to be is they want to be accomplishers of those goals, which then led them to become a millionaire or become rich or famous, whatever it is. Right.

Eldar [00:18:13]:
But that's very rare, again, that that requires to still be in the present moment in order to be successful, whatever it is that you wanted to do. Right. That's why there's so many, so little amount of people that actually achieve the flow state that you're talking about. Right. You have Kobe, you know, maybe another 10 people that, you know, when it comes to athletes that have that ability. Right. So most people actually don't live this way. Most people probably live in the fact, like Totally said, you know, they want to be rich and famous.

Denis [00:18:40]:
Daydreaming, daydreaming.

Eldar [00:18:41]:
They daydreaming right through that. Through that whole thing where it's like they're never actually sold out and get to the micro goals that you're talking about and focus within them.

Ivanna [00:18:48]:
Right. So I have an example in that we're speaking of Kobe in this latest Netflix documentary. I believe it's Netflix, the Olympics one.

Denis [00:18:56]:
Well, I want to watch that one. I didn't watch it.

Eldar [00:18:58]:
Yeah.

Ivanna [00:19:00]:
They do bring up Kobe, how they are training for the Olympics. The guys go out, they're in Las Vegas they go out when they come back at 5:30, 5:00 in the morning from being at the club. Kobe is ready and suited and he's on his way to weight training as they're training for the Olympics. So his mind and his mentality is. He's in it, he's prepared. That's like his focus right now. He's not worried about anything else.

Eldar [00:19:28]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good.

Denis [00:19:31]:
Yeah, yeah. He was just focused on that one thing. Well, everybody else, that's why probably most of those guys on that team, their careers were like whatever.

Eldar [00:19:39]:
Yeah, okay.

Katherine [00:19:40]:
He was one of most like dedicated.

Eldar [00:19:41]:
Players right after Michael Jordan, I think.

Katherine [00:19:44]:
Yeah, yeah.

Eldar [00:19:46]:
But so why do, why do people constantly encouraging others to be in the present moment? Right. To be present. Why is that like, why is that the recommendation? Like, hey, just, just be present.

Mike [00:19:57]:
One thing that you said during the walk, which we didn't talk about when we asked, what does it actually mean to present? I think you compared it to being enlightened. Right. You said something like that about enlightenment.

Eldar [00:20:08]:
I personally think that if you identified a moment with intention, Right. And you carry that intention through in that moment and you got what you wanted out of that intended moment.

Mike [00:20:19]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:20:19]:
I think that you experience a level of enlightenment.

Mike [00:20:21]:
Yeah, for sure. I think that's.

Denis [00:20:24]:
Yeah, well they say, they say enlightened people are always in the moment. They have no thought. So that would make sense.

Eldar [00:20:30]:
Okay.

Mike [00:20:31]:
I don't know. That means.

Denis [00:20:32]:
Yeah, you're, you're, you're doing the. What do you mean? What does it mean? You're doing a more, let's say practical application. Yeah, enlightenment, which is good. We gotta live in this world.

Eldar [00:20:42]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:20:42]:
But the, I think the core of enlightenment is what no thought, which is they've achieved a way to not have the thoughts non stop and they're just then able to just be in the actual moment by moment, which by the way then leads to happiness and all that. Yeah.

Eldar [00:21:00]:
Okay. Okay.

Denis [00:21:01]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:21:02]:
So it's more so becomes doing than thinking, right?

Denis [00:21:06]:
Yeah. There's no, there's no thinking. There's no thinking, it's just there. Yeah. And ironically, I'm sure some people can probably agree, like in my own experience when I've tried meditation and stuff, like the attempt to not to think less brings more peace and bliss. It's just, it's like a chemical thing going on. So there's probably a reason why everyone. Yeah, you asked like present moments.

Denis [00:21:34]:
Probably a reason why, you know, people are focused on it. Because there's probably Something to it, you know?

Eldar [00:21:40]:
Yeah, yeah, I think. I think. I'm sorry, Mike, but I think what came comes to mind more so. And to be in the present moment is to actually do something that you actually enjoy fully. You know what I mean? Like fully, thoroughly. Right. And extract the most amount of fun for yourself in that moment. And if you can do that, then you were present actually in that moment and you enjoyed it thoroughly.

Mike [00:22:04]:
Yeah, I think that's just like breaking down enlightenment. So much simpler terms. Like when you really. Yeah. Like, I don't know if you. Yeah, I think if you experience those moments, you know how it feels and it. Yeah, it feels like.

Eldar [00:22:17]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:22:17]:
Like low state sounds from. Sounds like it would. It's hard to describe the feeling.

Denis [00:22:21]:
But your other favorite, your. Your favorite too thing, love, they say also is another form of that. Yeah, well, because when you're in love, you know better than anybody, you don't give a damn about nothing else.

Eldar [00:22:34]:
When he's chasing that tail. You know what I mean?

Denis [00:22:36]:
Yes or no, Mike?

Eldar [00:22:37]:
Right.

Denis [00:22:38]:
When you in that state, like you're not worried.

Mike [00:22:40]:
Love is definitely close to enlightenment in them. In the moment. In the moments that focused on that.

Denis [00:22:46]:
Person and that in what's with what you guys? Nothing else matters.

Eldar [00:22:50]:
Yep.

Denis [00:22:50]:
You know, so it's. Yeah, it's interesting. But you see, we're thinking less in those moments.

Toliy [00:22:54]:
I also view as like. Like you talk about what.

Eldar [00:22:58]:
Why is it so hard to do?

Toliy [00:23:00]:
Well, I feel. Well, I mean like the testament of it being so hard to do, I think is like. Well, I mean, it's like two things, I think. So like if you're saying being in the moment. Right. I think the way that I'm seeing it is I like you can. You cannot know that you're in the moment if you're in the moment. Right.

Toliy [00:23:20]:
So it's like. Like when I'm looking at it, I'm looking at it as like you have to look at it from like an. Like an out of like. Like a body point of view.

Eldar [00:23:27]:
Almost like you are the moment.

Toliy [00:23:28]:
Yes. Yeah. Like. So I'm viewing the moment as like it's. It's you being in like a do mode. It's like you're in whatever the action is that like you set out to do. So you cannot know that you're in the moment when you're in the moment.

Denis [00:23:41]:
That would contradict awareness.

Toliy [00:23:44]:
What do you mean?

Denis [00:23:46]:
What do you mean?

Eldar [00:23:46]:
You cannot know you in it when you're doing it. Like you're not observing it.

Toliy [00:23:52]:
Yes.

Denis [00:23:52]:
If you're doing.

Eldar [00:23:53]:
But what he said, aware.

Denis [00:23:54]:
Without. Be aware without doing. I could just be sitting here.

Eldar [00:23:56]:
Yeah, you can be aware. Yeah.

Toliy [00:23:58]:
That you're, like, overall committing to something. But I'm saying, like, when you're actually, like, immersed, like, when you're doing something and like, an hour passed by, like, you're not aware of what's happening. You're just in that. Right. So, like, I'm viewing that as, like, when you're saying, being in the moment, I'm associating it with, like, you're in the process of doing an action. So if someone says, oh, Eldar, right now is in the moment, in the zone. Right? Yeah. Like, I associate it as, like, you're in.

Eldar [00:24:28]:
In.

Toliy [00:24:29]:
In. In the process of some kind of action. So it's like you're doing something. And I think in general, the world, there's a lot of people that have a lot of desires to do things, and then there's far less people that actually do those things.

Eldar [00:24:43]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:24:43]:
And there's way more people wanting to do shit than people actually doing shit. Right. That's why, like, you know, marketing exists. That's why all these different, like, selling.

Eldar [00:24:53]:
How's the world functioning then?

Toliy [00:24:57]:
Because there's. There's enough doers who are selling to enough wanters. Yeah, like, there. There's more like. Yeah, like, there is enough, like, to meet demand.

Eldar [00:25:11]:
So there are doers.

Toliy [00:25:13]:
There are doers. Yeah. But there's far more wanters, and those are, I would say, are like, the buyers.

Mike [00:25:18]:
Yeah, but that's probably relative to every. I think everybody is a doer and everybody's a onceer within of different things. So therefore, everybody is a doer and everybody is a onceer. It's just different.

Denis [00:25:30]:
Define it as conscious doing versus not because everyone's doing something, but when you're talking about. It's conscious doing.

Eldar [00:25:37]:
Yes.

Toliy [00:25:38]:
Well, yeah, but it's also, like, topic to topic, right? Like, there's. There's people who like, like, you know, those, like, funnel courses, for example? Right. There's people who will, like, buy them and learn everything about them, and then there's the people who actually did them, execute them. And, like, they're already past that, like, phase of, like, just being in that thing where I'm gonna, like, like continue, like, buying this guy's content or, like, whatever. And then there's the people who just endlessly buy that guy's content and then, like, never actually do it. Anything.

Eldar [00:26:09]:
No, but we also compare it to, like, the world that's actually functioning like the person that's cooking, you know, McDonald's burgers, right? Yeah. He's in the moment cooking McDonald's burgers. He's doing something. He's creating something. He's in that moment. However, he's probably also on. In his head is like, oh, I can't wait for Friday to go party. Yeah, Right.

Eldar [00:26:25]:
So he's doing stuff, is getting done, and he's in the moment of doing, but he's also somewhere else. Yeah. You know, so like Mike said, his conscious, you know, and subconscious.

Mike [00:26:35]:
Oh, Dennis said that?

Eldar [00:26:35]:
Oh, Dennis said that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mike [00:26:38]:
No, I think that lives within all of us. We are at times doers and we're at times one. The question is, you might like cooking food, but you don't want to clean the dishes after. Right? Like an example, you like some things. You don't. You. You don't like other things, so you don't want to do those things.

Eldar [00:26:56]:
Yeah. You know, so I think. Yeah. So I think the. I mean, the authenticity of the present moment becomes, I think, is if you're actually having fun and enjoying yourself as well, right. Without it, I think then your mind will drift. That person who's doing stuff that they don't want to do, they're doing shit, getting stuff accomplished. They might be even in the zone, but they want.

Eldar [00:27:16]:
They don't want to be. They don't have nothing to do with it. So they're going to be daydreaming about something else completely versus the people who actually want to do something. They're present and strike gold in that moment and actually like it. I think they strike.

Mike [00:27:30]:
Oh, I think. I think. Yeah, I think it makes sense. Like, if you say, like. Yeah, I would say being in the moment. Right. The less distractions you have, the more you could be in the moment.

Eldar [00:27:45]:
Right. See.

Mike [00:27:50]:
The more moments.

Eldar [00:27:51]:
You know what? You know what I'm gonna have to say? I'm gonna have to say that people don't know how to choose their moments. How about that? Because they don't know that the moments actually carry lots of fun and lots of good stuff in it. Therefore, they don't choose the right ones. Right. And then never enter them. Because if you did, right, like gaming, for example, you want to game what happens. You immerse yourself in the game and you enjoying it. And time goes like this.

Eldar [00:28:17]:
Yeah, it flies.

Denis [00:28:18]:
That's why with this, I have to pick. I have to agree with your. His theory always about the argument we always have about loving what you're doing. I just remembered at Your house. We'll give the props to Catherine being such a good host is a couple years back, you guys had a New Year's party. It was like Serge was there and Tommy and. What? I don't know, Everyone was dancing in your kitchen.

Eldar [00:28:38]:
Oh, that when you got drunk and got naked and jumped into the. Into the swamp?

Denis [00:28:41]:
No, that's when I got really high and was paranoid walking around. Okay, close enough.

Katherine [00:28:45]:
Yeah, that was last year.

Denis [00:28:48]:
So two years in a row. But that other year when everyone was dancing, you mentioned that. Yeah, it's. I just. That came to mind because, like, I remember, like, you. I got there and I'm just so in the moment, just like laughing, chilling with everybody. And then all of a sudden it's like, I want to say 3am but it's really like Catherine wanted to go to sleep. So it was like 1:45am yeah, yeah.

Denis [00:29:09]:
And it was time to go, let's say, or whatever, you know, I mean, the night's over, so. Yeah, like you said, like, when we're. When we're really enjoying something, we are in that moment. There's no we're cause. Because we're just there. We're not thinking about tomorrow's whatever.

Eldar [00:29:21]:
And that's why I want to segment to what Toly said earlier too, right? The next thing he said, the world is anti immersion, right? So at the time, right, at the time when you were in that moment, right. The world, right, can sometimes maybe oppress you and say, hey, tomorrow's work. Dennis, what are you doing? Right? Can you come out of this moment, go home and calm down, right? Even though you in that moment enjoying it so much that like, hey, like the world doesn't exist. Tomorrow's work I'm calling out already. Correct, correct. And Tolle also said that the problem, problems cannot enter the present moment. Is that true? How do you guys feel about that if you are in it like Dennis, right. Can problems enter that moment, that purity of the moment that he's experiencing? Are there any problems in the present moment?

Denis [00:30:07]:
Maybe not like intrinsically the actual present, but I think problems can impede external things.

Eldar [00:30:12]:
Sure.

Toliy [00:30:13]:
No, no, but like in the actual moment of anything, like, you know, like you're playing basketball, like video games, like whatever it is, right? Like in that actual moment, like I was saying, like, I feel like the world is anti moment because it's like when you're in the moment, like, you know, fears, anxiety, stuff, stuff like that are not able to, like evil in general is not able to penetrate, like.

Denis [00:30:38]:
Yeah, I agree but the only thing that comes. What if the. What if the moment that you're in is, like, a shitty moment? Like, what if there's a problem in the present moment? You know, Then what? So I don't know, but I agree. But I just. I don't know if you can just make it a good. Yeah. That it can't come in or whatever.

Toliy [00:30:57]:
So can you be present in a bad moment?

Mike [00:30:59]:
I think you were forced to be present in the bad moment. Right. Everybody got stumped. Why. But you can. Are you guys taking a time.

Eldar [00:31:05]:
I'm trying to think of a thing. Yeah.

Toliy [00:31:06]:
I was definitely more associating it with, like, a good. Like. Yeah. And with. With good things, you know? Yeah.

Mike [00:31:12]:
If it's bad, it's you automatically forced into. Be in the moment.

Denis [00:31:15]:
Yeah. I mean, the moment is not good or bad. It's just a moment.

Mike [00:31:18]:
Yeah. Whatever.

Eldar [00:31:20]:
Has we landed? This is what came to mind. We landed to JFK or Newark or whatever it is. And then I'm like, oh, thank God we landed. It was a long flight. Four hours. Not that long. Whatever. Song.

Eldar [00:31:30]:
For me, it was long. And I'm like, I can't wait to get out. And they didn't let us out for about an hour and a half. You stand over there.

Mike [00:31:38]:
Wash yourself.

Eldar [00:31:39]:
Right? Yeah. You know, so I'm in that moment, and it's kind of shitty, Right.

Toliy [00:31:46]:
Mm.

Eldar [00:31:49]:
I'm huffing and puffing, Right. Because I set myself out. I'm like, oh, I'm finally laying. I'm about to get out. Can't wait to breathe, refresh air. And like, I stuff in this airplane, you know, claustrophobic. Whatever you want, you know, It's a bad moment, you know, But I set myself up.

Toliy [00:32:07]:
Mm.

Eldar [00:32:08]:
No, I set myself up for the future. Yeah. I could have easily. Right. If, you know, somebody could kick some sense into me in that moment properly. They can say, hey, be in the present moment. Whatever. You knew what time it is.

Eldar [00:32:21]:
Like, this happens. This is not a surprise. We're in a situation of COVID or whatever it is right now, you know, shortage of staff and all that stuff. This is a possibility, you know? So even though I'm in the present moment suffering, I think I'm suffering because of the future outcome that I set myself out to be.

Denis [00:32:38]:
So the present moment can be bad and you can be present in it. No, no, you make it worse thinking about the future.

Eldar [00:32:45]:
What I'm trying to lead to is that if I saw things for what.

Toliy [00:32:48]:
They are, you would have had a bad.

Eldar [00:32:50]:
I wouldn't have had a bad moment. I'm not sure. Now I'm trying to think about, is it possible to actually be presently in the wrong moment, in a bad moment? If you see things for what they are as the truth? Well, then assuming that, you know, if.

Toliy [00:33:05]:
You see things for what they are, is there no bad or good moments then?

Eldar [00:33:08]:
There. That's what. Correct. Yeah, I think so. I think that's what leading to.

Katherine [00:33:12]:
I remember. I remember that moment, and I remember thinking, like, why is he getting himself so wound up? Like, we can't control this. Like, we're just gonna have to sit here, you know? And the more time passed, the more wound up you got about. And I was like, why is he doing this to himself? Like, I was a little surprised, you know, I guess, like, I couldn't get you out of the moment, but, you know, I was thinking, like, it is Covid. There's tons of things going on with airlines. Like, we just gotta. Like, we just have to sit here.

Eldar [00:33:42]:
Like, see you. You're trying to get me out of the moment, but I think that you probably have to get me in the moment.

Toliy [00:33:48]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Katherine [00:33:50]:
All I'm thinking to myself is, like, it's. You know, we just have to sit. You just have to sit and wait, you know?

Eldar [00:33:56]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:33:56]:
So it's funny then and then.

Katherine [00:33:58]:
And the energy is contagious, you know, he's turning around and talking to her, like, yeah. You know, like, I can't believe this is happening. You know, like. Like, it's contagious, you know, that.

Eldar [00:34:06]:
You know, I'm just very good at being contagious between two people in the same.

Denis [00:34:10]:
Sorry.

Ivanna [00:34:11]:
Saying is that he was in the present, but he had expectations. So had he not had that expectation of getting there, getting off the plane, he would have continued to be.

Eldar [00:34:21]:
I would have saw things for what they are.

Toliy [00:34:23]:
Well, what happened was that you tried to create a moment that you were not able to control.

Eldar [00:34:28]:
Correct. I went into a present moment. Yeah. With things that, like, I had expectations. I was like, hey, open the door. Whether we land the plane and we usually. Open the door. Open the damn door.

Eldar [00:34:39]:
And when they didn't turn out to be that, they didn't open the door, my moment was ruined. I fucked the whole shit up. Who did this? I did this to myself. But I also think that if I was actually present and saw things for what they are, properly, it wouldn't have never happened, you know?

Mike [00:34:55]:
But did you learn a good lesson for the next time?

Eldar [00:34:58]:
You know what I twisted and said that I'M not going to travel at this time.

Mike [00:35:01]:
And that was a lie. The lie detector said there has to be. There has to be.

Eldar [00:35:05]:
Like, now there has to be more of, like, there's have to be more reasons as to why I would want to travel. You know what I mean? Like, that's all I like. But you have to convince me more.

Mike [00:35:13]:
Haven't you traveled since that time?

Eldar [00:35:15]:
Yes, yes, yes.

Mike [00:35:16]:
At least once.

Denis [00:35:21]:
That was like two years ago.

Eldar [00:35:22]:
Physically or metaphysically?

Denis [00:35:24]:
Whatever.

Katherine [00:35:26]:
Yeah, that was Florida. So that was like last year. I can't remember.

Denis [00:35:30]:
I picked you guys up from the airport. That was a while ago.

Mike [00:35:32]:
Yeah, it was like the beginning of this year.

Eldar [00:35:34]:
Gee, I'm not sure about that question about having actually a moment be actually a bad moment. But.

Mike [00:35:40]:
Okay, so it could be.

Eldar [00:35:41]:
But it's you, probably because you're you. You set yourself off a failure. It's probably not true, but.

Denis [00:35:45]:
Okay, but hold on, but what about like. Like, if you're not in that plane, let's make it like a little worse.

Eldar [00:35:51]:
Mm.

Denis [00:35:52]:
In the forest, somebody's, like, punching you. Like a kid is like yelling in your ear, crying baby.

Mike [00:35:57]:
For that whole hour there was crying baby.

Katherine [00:35:59]:
Someone approaches you and offers you something naughty.

Eldar [00:36:03]:
What? Oh, my God. Yeah.

Denis [00:36:06]:
Unless I really like that. You know, it's not so bad.

Katherine [00:36:08]:
It just came to my head.

Eldar [00:36:09]:
I had. Wow, I forgot about that.

Toliy [00:36:11]:
That's sick.

Denis [00:36:12]:
I usually block out things that happen to me.

Eldar [00:36:14]:
Like that.

Denis [00:36:15]:
That was pretty good.

Eldar [00:36:17]:
He said you wanted to sit on your lap.

Toliy [00:36:19]:
No, he said you wanted to do.

Denis [00:36:21]:
A little something more. You don't remember?

Eldar [00:36:23]:
I don't remember the exact details, but, like, I remember something.

Denis [00:36:25]:
Swiss Airlines flight. Homie came over and said, would you like a blowjob?

Eldar [00:36:29]:
Wow. Right on the plane.

Katherine [00:36:30]:
Right on the plane.

Eldar [00:36:32]:
Sick.

Mike [00:36:33]:
You settled with Swiss Air or. No.

Denis [00:36:35]:
Should have sued them. Yeah.

Eldar [00:36:38]:
Wow.

Toliy [00:36:38]:
Yeah. The. The thing is, I think, like, moments in general. Yeah. They have like. Yeah. Immersion of the actual, like, moment has no, like, no ties to it. Like, bad or good or like happy, sad.

Toliy [00:36:51]:
Like. Right. There's nothing like to it. You can only judge what happened.

Eldar [00:36:55]:
I agree with them. Our interpretation of those moments is what either causes a suffering or immersion. Right. Because we're not going to immerse into. Well, we can, but we usually immerse into something that we really like. Right. Like a video game or whatever it is that you shopping.

Toliy [00:37:10]:
Yeah. No.

Eldar [00:37:11]:
No.

Toliy [00:37:11]:
So then, like. Yeah.

Eldar [00:37:13]:
This side of the room.

Toliy [00:37:14]:
Yeah. For a moment. Yeah, for like, to actually be in the moment. I feel like it has to Be something that, like, you want to do because, like, you are getting to a point where you can, like, be immersed into it.

Eldar [00:37:31]:
Yeah. So what the hell? Why is it so hard then, for people, if you. What we're saying that inherently to be present and to be in the moment carries so much good for us, apparently, Right. Or does it. Oh, wait a second. Does it carry good, like, when we immersed? You know what I mean? Like, I'm playing video games. Well, I walk my.

Toliy [00:37:50]:
Depends on who. Like. Like, it's. It's very hard, I think, to say, like, overall, because I think that there's different people who have different opinions on. Right. So it's like, I think it's difficult because of, like, our interpretations and our understanding of, like, how the world works and how things work, like, in a. In general.

Eldar [00:38:11]:
Mm. So, like, who said that, like, immersing yourself in these moments and be present is actually unsuccessful and not good. Prove this shit out.

Toliy [00:38:23]:
Well, the people that are, like, the people who.

Eldar [00:38:26]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:38:26]:
Like, anyone that is trying to, like, push, like, you know, some kind of agenda and like, anyone who's trying to push some. Push some kind of a agenda.

Eldar [00:38:36]:
Yeah, Right.

Toliy [00:38:37]:
Like, you can't be in the moment and be like, yeah, you can't be.

Eldar [00:38:43]:
A responsible human being.

Toliy [00:38:44]:
You're saying, well, no, like, you can't, like, be asleep. You can't be sold to. You can't be scared of something. Like, you can't be, like. Like, I don't know, oppressed. You can't be all these different things. So it's like, if. If those things cannot enter someone who's in the moment, then, like, why would there be a.

Toliy [00:39:04]:
Like, why would people try to push for that?

Mike [00:39:08]:
I think. I don't think it's like an intentional thing where it's against people having moments. I think the society as a whole has a direction that, you know, it needs to follow. There's no, like, the agenda of society is not to, like, hey, go discover what you love. Go do it.

Denis [00:39:24]:
Yeah, that's what he said. Yeah.

Mike [00:39:26]:
Yeah, that's what he said. He just said it, like, in Chinese or something, you know. Yeah, there's no. Like, the society movement is towards. Not towards individuality or individual development. It's like, hey, we need X amount of people do this, and X amount of people are that, you know, these jobs need get filled. Like, go. Go make money, you know, not go find what you like.

Toliy [00:39:46]:
Yeah, like, make money in the moment.

Mike [00:39:49]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:39:49]:
But nonetheless. Nonetheless, like, even you guys say society, right? But nobody remembers in school when the guidance counselor said to you, hey, what would you like to do?

Mike [00:39:57]:
Yeah, but the thing is you're not qualified to answer those questions.

Eldar [00:40:00]:
Like, okay, fine, but there is, there's a push for it, right? You, what do you want to do, Johnny, when you grow up? You know what I mean? Like, what would you enjoy? Right? We have a thing.

Denis [00:40:15]:
What thing?

Eldar [00:40:17]:
Mike is saying that the society is not really structured in such a way as to push individuality and, and the present moment. I'm saying that, why not? I mean, we're constantly asking our kids, like, what do you want to do when you grow up? You know what I mean? We're constantly pushing them towards finding out their purpose.

Mike [00:40:32]:
Yeah, but what happens when you ask a kid a premature question he doesn't have an answer to? You confuse them even more.

Eldar [00:40:37]:
So you're saying that they're, we're purposely confusing the kids by asking the question.

Mike [00:40:41]:
Parents are not. They just, they, they don't know any better.

Eldar [00:40:44]:
But, but it's, it's still in them, right?

Mike [00:40:46]:
Something's asking that question because everybody, everybody assumes that something needs to be done, okay? The purpose of life, right? Everybody's like, yo, life is short, blah, blah, blah, right? Like, you need to figure out what you want to do and go do it. It's not like, hey, go figure out what you want to do, figure out.

Ivanna [00:41:04]:
What makes you happy. Like, I don't think that often parents or elders ask kids, well, what makes you happy? What are those things that really lighten you up? I think it really always is how.

Eldar [00:41:16]:
Much money you can make.

Toliy [00:41:17]:
Yeah, yeah.

Ivanna [00:41:18]:
What do you want to be when you grow up? Are you sure that's what you want to do instead of asking kids like, present moment situation.

Mike [00:41:27]:
Yeah, yeah. Especially if you look at kids in sports, right? Parents encourage their kids to play sports that they're maybe not so good at, terrible at. And they keep telling them, keep doing it. Whether it's the parents intention for the kid to be like a sporty like parent. Parents are not giving the kids on truth, you know, in those situations. So. Okay, and not by, not by, not because they're not capable or they line them, but because the parents are convinced that their kids potential in a sport is really that high, but it doesn't seem to be the case.

Toliy [00:42:03]:
But do you, do you think that's like these questions are being asked to young kids, right, that have like, relatively, like they're very young, they have low iq? No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that like, they're young and relatively have no responsibilities. Right.

Denis [00:42:24]:
Mm.

Toliy [00:42:24]:
So do you feel that, like, to promote those things from a young age and them actually, like, someone's like, yeah, I want to be a painter. Right. But like, to actually, like, follow through with that and then be a painter at a point where now you do have responsibilities.

Eldar [00:42:42]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:42:43]:
And you do have to kind of like.

Eldar [00:42:44]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:42:45]:
Be in society. You would need to live in, like, a society where, like, you're like. Like, everyone makes the same money for every single type of profession. Right. And like. Okay, you know what I'm saying? Everyone makes the same money for everything.

Eldar [00:43:02]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:43:03]:
And. And then, like, you just have people that have a passion for, I don't know, financial stuff, and they do financial stuff. You have people who have a passion to teach. They are going to teach.

Eldar [00:43:11]:
Yes.

Toliy [00:43:12]:
They don't have to, like, make choices based on, like, wow.

Eldar [00:43:18]:
I'm getting a lot of thoughts as you're saying all this stuff. I think you're onto something here. What you're saying is that if we reach, as a society or collective. If we reach this collective. Right. You're trying to distract you from the present moment. You see that? Right. And she's doing that to him too.

Denis [00:43:34]:
I'm okay with that kind of interruption.

Eldar [00:43:36]:
No, we know that most of us are. If, let's just say hypothetically, we reached a point in society that we have the ability to be present in the moment, are we not going to be smart enough to be able to find bargaining agreements, Right. In such a way where we're going to have fairness in the way we exchange trade that you just said.

Toliy [00:43:57]:
Sorry, repeat that again. Like what?

Eldar [00:43:59]:
You were still inside of crackers box.

Toliy [00:44:02]:
No, no, I'm trying to. I'm trying to think about what you were saying. Fair trade.

Eldar [00:44:07]:
If everybody is in the present moment, the society. Right. Have that ability. I mean, little Timmy, when he's, you know, when he got interested in. To be a firefighter, he actually becomes a firefighter. A little Jill that wants to sew, she becomes a sewer. You know what I mean? And everybody's doing what they actually like to do. I think we're going to be smart enough, right.

Eldar [00:44:28]:
In that moment because we're fulfilled internally. We're going to find the right language in order to have either same pay for everybody and we kind of. Or we can kind of exchange. Right. You need apples, I grow apples. You know what I mean? I need you to put out this fire. You put out a fire and stuff like that, and everybody kind of cohesively work. Right.

Eldar [00:44:46]:
As a society, as one unit.

Toliy [00:44:48]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:44:48]:
Right. As bees or whatever. Or as ants. Right. For a common goal. Yeah. Everybody shares the same. The present moment.

Eldar [00:44:57]:
Strive.

Mike [00:44:58]:
Well.

Eldar [00:44:58]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:44:59]:
Like, would you rather not like bite, like would you not be more motivated, for example, to buy things from people.

Eldar [00:45:04]:
Yes.

Toliy [00:45:04]:
That like have absolute passion for that thing and not like.

Eldar [00:45:08]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:45:08]:
They're not like about like profit driven, like stuff.

Eldar [00:45:12]:
Right.

Toliy [00:45:12]:
Like someone who's a baker. Like if they just love baking.

Eldar [00:45:15]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:45:16]:
And like, like, yeah. They don't have to worry about like there's no making more money or less money. Right.

Eldar [00:45:21]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:45:23]:
You want to buy that from someone or someone likes again, like teaching. You want someone who's passionate about teaching. Yeah, about that. But yeah, it definitely makes it harder when there's like the money component in. Right. And this guy's like, yeah, I like to paint, but damn, like this is not cutting it.

Eldar [00:45:40]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:45:40]:
And now like before you think, for example. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mike [00:45:47]:
So.

Toliy [00:45:47]:
So it's like.

Eldar [00:45:48]:
So when there was the whole Plato thing, you see the Republic, we're Plato talked about that. Each, you know, the, you know, in utopian society, let's just say. Right. A just society, individuals do what they actually good at and probably life.

Toliy [00:46:02]:
Yeah, yeah. Like how many people are doing things that they don't necessarily like, like because they need, like, they're like, I guess they have aspirations and like, you know, wealth or like they got to keep a roof over their head. Like.

Eldar [00:46:16]:
Yeah, yeah. Would you say that we're seeing glimpses of this phenomena to happen? Transition from not liking what we're doing to not liking what we're doing through like, you know, those, you know, bloggers and YouTubers and stuff like that that are like getting subscription based things on like Twitch on Patreon and stuff like that where they're like, hey, I love to do this, I love to continue showing you more content, give you education material, but please support me.

Toliy [00:46:43]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:46:43]:
Because this is how I pay my bills so I don't have to do my mandating job. And I could do this more for you guys.

Toliy [00:46:48]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:46:48]:
Is that kind of the transition then?

Toliy [00:46:50]:
Yeah, as long as like that. That person then like, like, yes. But then the problem comes with like different people making different amounts of money. So like, like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, if that person's able to do that and that person's like, hey, I need like $3,000 a month and this covers everything I do now that person gets there and now there's a sponsorship opportunity.

Eldar [00:47:15]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:47:16]:
To get to $5,000 a month. Another sponsor could get them to seven. The question is that like does the integrity of their work and these integrity of that change?

Eldar [00:47:25]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:47:26]:
When there's like, like it's not like an equal no matter what kind of like a thing, but individual who is.

Eldar [00:47:32]:
Let'S just say enlightenment enlightened. Right. Because now he lives in the present moment most of the time and he enjoys. Right. He's no longer driven by money.

Toliy [00:47:40]:
That kind of person.

Mike [00:47:41]:
Yeah, yeah, that kind of person.

Toliy [00:47:42]:
Yeah, that's.

Mike [00:47:43]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:47:44]:
You know, those kinds of people.

Eldar [00:47:45]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:47:45]:
Like those drivers do, do influence things, you know.

Eldar [00:47:49]:
I agree with you. Yeah. So what the fuck? Why is it so hard to be in the present moment? Even though everybody is encouraging it?

Toliy [00:47:57]:
But it's also, it's like the way that we grew up, I think that we were like taught and promoted to multitask and to multi think and like to like do all these different things that like as you grow older, I think that you get tired and more exhausted of doing all that. So then now it's like a, like a reverse process. It's like a forward progress. Like, like what we were talking about before. It feels like you're going back, but you're actually going forward. But yeah, probably she feels like she.

Eldar [00:48:31]:
Was going, remember last time you say like I'm going backwards. I feel like, yeah, you know, I want to find my purpose, what am I doing forward, two steps.

Katherine [00:48:39]:
It feels like that.

Eldar [00:48:41]:
Yes.

Ivanna [00:48:42]:
I think that it's so difficult to be in the present moment because modern day society has so many distractions, whether that be.

Eldar [00:48:50]:
But why are you hooked on all distractions though?

Ivanna [00:48:53]:
And I had. Well, that's a great question. So distractions, as far as just opening your cell phone, you're not just opening your cell phone and checking up on your friend, you're opening the door to this portal where you have access to people all over the globe, whether it be Europe, Japan.

Eldar [00:49:12]:
So what?

Ivanna [00:49:13]:
So because we allow it. So if we didn't.

Eldar [00:49:15]:
No, because we like it, we like.

Ivanna [00:49:18]:
It and therefore we do it. So we allow it. So if we didn't do this or if we didn't have so many distractions, whether it be the news, cell phones call, and if we perhaps lived back in the day in cavemen, they probably didn't have that many distractions as we do now. So just by turning on the tv, we know that there's a new car coming out, a new Tesla coming out, a new cell phone coming out. So you're constantly thinking, okay, well what do I have to do to get that. Because it is like a constant competition versus just enjoying what you currently have and living in that present moment. I think that distractions take away from that.

Eldar [00:49:54]:
But isn't everything still leading towards shedding all those things that you talked about and actually finding yourself in that present moment and. And actually empowering, ultimately empowering yourself to do what you feel makes you happy versus what the world dictates for you to do what they think that makes you happy?

Mike [00:50:10]:
Yeah, but that's much harder. I think the distractions, like, what is the distractions? What is the purpose Distraction serve? I think that's where there might be, like the, you know, meat and potatoes.

Eldar [00:50:21]:
What is the purpose of those distractions? Yeah. Yeah. Why do you have to. Why do you have to look at other people's lives in the whole world? Why.

Ivanna [00:50:29]:
When life.

Eldar [00:50:30]:
I don't like, why do you have to scroll through these people? One person's in Japan. What are they doing? One person is in Mexico. What are they doing?

Denis [00:50:37]:
It's not like it's a conscious choice.

Eldar [00:50:39]:
No. I actually think that there's some level of maybe insecurity and some level of pain that you're experiencing that you don't want to look at your own life, but you have to look at somebody else's life.

Mike [00:50:49]:
If you live in a glass house, don't look in the mirror.

Eldar [00:50:52]:
Yeah. Yes. That same.

Mike [00:50:54]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:50:55]:
Yes.

Ivanna [00:50:57]:
I don't think.

Eldar [00:51:00]:
He got the ball over the net. Okay, for those who are listening, he got the ball over the net. Yeah.

Mike [00:51:04]:
Yeah.

Katherine [00:51:04]:
Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

Ivanna [00:51:06]:
There you go.

Mike [00:51:07]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:51:07]:
No, that's not it.

Mike [00:51:08]:
That's not it. That's not what we're trying to say.

Katherine [00:51:12]:
Of course.

Eldar [00:51:13]:
Well, we'll get to that bridge when we cross it.

Mike [00:51:16]:
Yeah. See, I think. I think present moment, to me it sounds like it's very much associated with happiness, you know?

Eldar [00:51:27]:
Well, no, because it's very scary. Nobody can do it.

Denis [00:51:29]:
No.

Eldar [00:51:30]:
Right.

Mike [00:51:31]:
But in the. In the purest form, it. I think it is actually genuinely being extremely happy.

Denis [00:51:36]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:51:36]:
But in order to get to that present moment, you have to remove all the distractions, face yourself, and then you can enjoy those moments.

Eldar [00:51:45]:
You ask me for a lot, Mike.

Mike [00:51:47]:
Yo. I mean, like, big ass, you asking for a lot.

Denis [00:51:50]:
You have to have the awareness to know. To remove those distractions.

Mike [00:51:53]:
Oh, yeah.

Eldar [00:51:53]:
No, you don't. No.

Toliy [00:51:55]:
No.

Eldar [00:51:55]:
But I don't think people that are suffering at least even know that this exists.

Mike [00:51:59]:
Yes. I don't think so. I don't think People think of it like that, like, yo, I'm gonna distract myself so I don't have to face myself.

Eldar [00:52:05]:
Correct.

Mike [00:52:05]:
I don't think they're like going out there and saying that.

Eldar [00:52:07]:
But when they start to do that, I think then a level of awareness does come about is to say, okay, why am I looking at this guy in Japan or this girl in Mexico, whatever. Like, what the fuck? Like what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? And then when you find out, you're probably not gonna like what you're gonna find out, unfortunately, about yourself.

Mike [00:52:24]:
So therefore, you keep distracting yourself further.

Eldar [00:52:27]:
Yeah. You go somewhere else.

Katherine [00:52:29]:
Yeah.

Ivanna [00:52:29]:
So what you're saying is that the first step to becoming or living in the present is self awareness, being aware.

Eldar [00:52:35]:
What does that mean? You know what I'm saying?

Ivanna [00:52:38]:
Yeah. Just like you just mentioned, it's like when you see this girl in Japan or this boy in Mexico, it's like, well, what am I doing? That's being self aware, like really checking yourself and being like, is this really what I'm after? Is this really what I want to be doing?

Toliy [00:52:51]:
Yes.

Mike [00:52:52]:
Over, I guess is what it means knowing why you're doing the things you're doing.

Eldar [00:52:55]:
Yeah, yeah.

Mike [00:52:56]:
Like, you have to. Yeah. And I think that's the hard part. To think to yourself, like, hey, why am I going to Instagram to look at these Russian models? You know?

Toliy [00:53:06]:
Yeah.

Mike [00:53:07]:
There's a reason. Right. There's some kind of insecurities, kind of pain there, but it's a distraction from, I guess, something else that you. Yeah, I mean, it's.

Toliy [00:53:16]:
What is the difference between distraction and like. And entertainment? Like, like, if we like watching like a ufc.

Eldar [00:53:23]:
I agree.

Toliy [00:53:24]:
Classified that as a distraction. Or is that. Or is that different?

Eldar [00:53:29]:
Yeah, I think that it would have to probably be case by case.

Mike [00:53:32]:
Yeah. You like? I think distraction.

Eldar [00:53:34]:
Yes.

Mike [00:53:35]:
Like the core of it. It sounds like you're hiding for some pain. Whereas entertainment, it could be too, I guess you would have to evaluate on a case by case basis, I think.

Denis [00:53:44]:
I think the differentiator there would be like the turning of the volume there would be. It's entertainment versus distraction is like how much you consume it. If you just. If I'm watching UFC all day long, seven days a week and doing nothing that I need to be doing, let's say.

Eldar [00:53:59]:
Yeah.

Denis [00:54:00]:
Then it's a problem.

Eldar [00:54:01]:
Yes, correct. But if you're doing once, once a.

Katherine [00:54:03]:
Week or whatever about the stuff that you're not doing.

Denis [00:54:06]:
Right.

Katherine [00:54:07]:
The stuff that you did want to get done or, you know, then that then it becomes painful. Yeah.

Mike [00:54:13]:
So yeah.

Katherine [00:54:13]:
Then that would say, yeah. Distraction versus enjoyment.

Toliy [00:54:18]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:54:19]:
But is that a coincidence that he. Because you're an audio guy and you do up and down volume that you made that analogy?

Denis [00:54:24]:
That's exactly what I was thinking about.

Toliy [00:54:26]:
This is all I'm doing.

Denis [00:54:27]:
You start screaming, I gotta lower it.

Eldar [00:54:29]:
Very interesting.

Katherine [00:54:29]:
Wow.

Eldar [00:54:30]:
That he.

Katherine [00:54:30]:
So he has to.

Eldar [00:54:32]:
Yes. No, it's a very good analogy actually. Yeah. You're finding the balance. Finding the balance when it's too much and when it's too little, you find that what works and what doesn't. Yeah. When you get to a point like you're frying yourself completely. Right.

Eldar [00:54:43]:
And you finding yourself that you actually not doing the things that you actually want to be doing. Right. Then you're numbing yourself out from something else. But if you just say, okay, cool, I enjoy this and I can move on from it. Have no attachments, kind of. Then you're good.

Mike [00:54:57]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:54:58]:
Do you think that when, when it comes to like awareness. Right. Like, if you're talking about like, oh, like, like self awareness. Right. I'm, I'm thinking now that it's like, it's, it's, it's very difficult to like one step is like, I guess having some level of self awareness. Right. But then I think it's like, are there like, can you be wrong about yourself? Awareness.

Eldar [00:55:24]:
Give us an example.

Toliy [00:55:26]:
Okay, let's say you like, you're struggling with something and then like you're, you're under the impression that you're self. Aware. Right. So you say they're like, I'm struggling because of X, Y and Z. Yeah, absolutely.

Eldar [00:55:38]:
Yes, you could be completely off.

Toliy [00:55:39]:
Yes, you could be completely off. So it's like. Yeah, but it might put you in a perpetual cycle of figuring it out.

Eldar [00:55:47]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:55:47]:
All right. Some people are like, oh, like I'm suffering and therefore, like, you know, like, I need to remove this. And then like what they actually need to remove is completely different. Completely different than like what they think that they.

Eldar [00:56:00]:
Yes.

Toliy [00:56:00]:
Know that they want.

Ivanna [00:56:02]:
So.

Eldar [00:56:02]:
Yeah. So yeah. I think that there's also art to self awareness then there.

Toliy [00:56:07]:
Yeah. Like to be. Act to be like really self aware and talk about like the truth behind it, I think is very difficult because it's like, like it's you and then you're trying to like, see something within you. But it is difficult to not be like controlled by you while trying to figure out you.

Katherine [00:56:26]:
That's why I think proper guidance is.

Toliy [00:56:28]:
Really important, you know, or, or if.

Eldar [00:56:31]:
You don't have proper guidance. Socrates said, you know what? The one thing I can be confident in is I know nothing.

Katherine [00:56:38]:
Be humble, I guess.

Eldar [00:56:39]:
Right. So being humble. Right. In that case will allow you kind of to continue to search for the truth. Yeah, right. And not, like, just make a conclusion that potentially couldn't be wrong.

Toliy [00:56:49]:
Yeah. See, I feel like people. I mean, I've said this before, but I feel like people find it difficult to not. To not have a conclusion towards a particular situation. It's like an uneasiness. Yeah. I feel like it's in the, like.

Katherine [00:57:03]:
Way we learn about the world.

Toliy [00:57:04]:
We have to not like. Yeah. To not have like, an opinion or not have like, a feeling towards something is like an uneasiness. Like, even if you don't know, you gotta just kind of like. Yes.

Katherine [00:57:18]:
To try to understand.

Toliy [00:57:19]:
Yeah.

Katherine [00:57:19]:
Put things in a box.

Toliy [00:57:20]:
Yeah. Because again, it's like, you know, when we talk about asking for help or whatnot, like, how often, like, do you have an issue and then you don't go through the whole process of, like, feeling things about it, like, you know, this and that, wrestling back and forth. Whether it's like, you know, for a short time or for years. You don't, like, just come and say, okay, like, hey, like, I noticed this thing, guys. Like, I'm not sure what it is, but I just something I notice. Like, let's discuss it. Like, you're already. You already have a bunch of conclusions formed around it, even if you're at a point of asking help about it.

Eldar [00:57:53]:
Okay, yeah, I see. I see that. You know, but I think by keeping that door open, by asking help, you already at least let in some light into the issue. Right. Because then your lease will be okay with not okay, but you are at least. Will be examined. Yeah, I'd be okay with it. Yes, but you will be examined.

Toliy [00:58:12]:
Yeah, right.

Eldar [00:58:12]:
In your, in your assumptions.

Toliy [00:58:14]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:58:14]:
Your assumptions will be brought to light and potentially you can find out something about yourself that you didn't know. Yeah, yeah.

Toliy [00:58:19]:
I also think is that, like, people have to make conclusions on things because, like, that's the only way to feed the ego. Like, well, if the ego does not.

Eldar [00:58:30]:
Exist and people that want to have big egos have to make conclusions.

Toliy [00:58:34]:
Yeah. The ego lives off of conclusion making. And like. Yeah, like, it needs us. Like, it needs to say, like, if you don't give it a say, then, like, it, it won't live or be there.

Eldar [00:58:49]:
Yeah.

Toliy [00:58:49]:
But it arrives off of, like, you can't just, like, be this moron who doesn't Feel anything, right?

Eldar [00:58:57]:
Yeah, no, for sure.

Toliy [00:58:58]:
It's like you got to have some kind of feeling towards something.

Eldar [00:59:00]:
Sure.

Toliy [00:59:01]:
But the problem is that that, like, puts you down like a rabbit hole of, like, developing a bunch of bad habits. Being completely wrong about something, not knowing what's going on. Like, it's just like.

Eldar [00:59:11]:
But then you leave the present moment. You're no longer the present moment.

Toliy [00:59:14]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:59:16]:
Babe, I think that this, this topic is very closely related to your finding your purpose. Do you think so? No.

Katherine [00:59:24]:
Yeah.

Eldar [00:59:25]:
How so?

Katherine [00:59:26]:
Well, I think that when I. What I, you know, what I experience on a daily basis is.

Eldar [00:59:35]:
The inability to be in the present moment.

Katherine [00:59:37]:
Thoughts. Yeah, you know, lots of thoughts that keep me, you know, from kind of just being in the moment that rob me of my present and my future because of the anxiety that it brings me. And sometimes I even get overwhelmed. I overwhelm myself. You know, like, I mean, we spoke about this and, you know, last week I robbed myself, you know, you know, having a good time or, you know, enjoying myself or, you know, just the moment.

Eldar [01:00:02]:
Not even knowing what you actually like. Yeah, but you mentioned, you mentioned that you said, hey, like, I don't even know what I. Like what, what do I immerse myself into? Like, at least I know some outlets. Right.

Mike [01:00:12]:
But it's also, it's. It's also, in a way, it is. Is it a protection? What is not being in the present moment? I mean, distracting yourself, kind of suffering being.

Eldar [01:00:23]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:00:23]:
So suffering person. Right. They use it as the distractions because. Yeah, it's hard to get into the present moment and to look at yourself and.

Eldar [01:00:30]:
Well, because. Because the present moment is constantly requiring self analysis. And self analysis to an individual who has a big ego of pride is very painful. Mm.

Denis [01:00:45]:
I think you. So they're understanding even that the thoughts are impeding on your, you know, happiness and the pro. I think you're already, like, light years ahead of it. Oh, really?

Katherine [01:00:55]:
I wish, I wish I could, like, make like, give me some sort of, like, I wish I could make me happy, but, like, it's more like I feel like such a loser.

Denis [01:01:03]:
I've been, I've been. I've been trying to in the last about three months, experimenting more with. Trying to, like, meditate a little more and bring that back into my life. And so, like, it really is like, just the other day I had a. Like, it was just like a bad day. So many things again. And I'm just sitting there. And again, I'm also consuming a lot of work, content.

Denis [01:01:22]:
So it's Just non stop. I'm just like, I'm in this state.

Katherine [01:01:25]:
A lot of negativity.

Toliy [01:01:26]:
And I'm like.

Denis [01:01:27]:
And I had to do something. And then another thing happened, another thing. And I'm like, yo, like, you just feeling this, like you just. I was supposed to be doing something else.

Toliy [01:01:35]:
And I'm just like, it's like 10.

Denis [01:01:37]:
O'Clock at night and I'm just overwhelmed. And then the thought came like, yo, just sit, do the 10 minutes. I just sat and I did it. And something funny happens where. No, I didn't get enlightened yet. No, I'm not like a blissful guru yet. But just there's some sort of chemical thing going on. Because after 10 minutes nothing changed.

Denis [01:01:57]:
The problems, everything's still the same. But like I'm like, yo. And I've experienced this multiple times. I'm like, yo, I'm kind of like, you're like lighter. It's like you just took off because you were consciously not thinking and trying to be in the present moment, not trying to figure out the answers to your problems. But just being in that moment, it chemically does something to us. We're like, I sit there and I'm now 10 minutes later in the same predicament, let's say, of my situation. I'm like yelling.

Denis [01:02:26]:
I feel kind of good.

Eldar [01:02:30]:
If it's chemical, would you take medication for this?

Denis [01:02:33]:
I mean, if you were to.

Eldar [01:02:34]:
If you were.

Denis [01:02:34]:
No, you kept guarantee that this pill is never going to do anything bad to me except put me into the.

Eldar [01:02:39]:
Oh. Oh.

Denis [01:02:40]:
I guess. But it has side effects.

Katherine [01:02:42]:
But for sure, like what you consume, like what you put into your body and your mind is for sure like it's gonna affect you.

Denis [01:02:49]:
Yeah.

Katherine [01:02:50]:
It's constantly negative. War, violence, it makes you tense.

Denis [01:02:56]:
Yeah. And then, and then the thoughts are just all about that. Like you're not in a present moment after that. You're just.

Katherine [01:03:01]:
No.

Denis [01:03:01]:
In all these millions of places. Yeah.

Toliy [01:03:03]:
I thought about some crazy when, when Cat was saying that like, you know, they like can be in the present moment because you have all these like different thoughts that's hard to think about is that I feel like all these different thoughts and like, you know, fears and anxieties, although they don't give you a present moment, the reason that they live is that it feels like they guarantee you a future.

Eldar [01:03:27]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:03:29]:
So I feel like that that's like, like the person feels like that's like a good reason for them to stay.

Denis [01:03:39]:
Because like hang on to.

Toliy [01:03:41]:
Well, yeah. Like it feels at least like, you're, like, you're worrying about something in the future right now.

Eldar [01:03:50]:
Yeah.

Toliy [01:03:51]:
So the feeling that you get from having a million different thoughts and then, like, if you have some fears or anxieties or things like that, is that it feels like you. You're guaranteed at least something in the future.

Eldar [01:04:04]:
So you're saying that that person is actually seeking that guarantee. Which is.

Katherine [01:04:07]:
Which is really ironic because the future is not guaranteed for anybody.

Toliy [01:04:11]:
Yeah, no. Yeah. When you have the million dots and something like that, you actually saying, like, you are agreeing that the future is guaranteed for you. That's why you're not in the moment.

Eldar [01:04:23]:
You actually are the promoter, the buyer and the executor of it all in that moment. You're promoting yourself. You're hyping yourself up and you buying it as well.

Katherine [01:04:32]:
Of course. Yeah.

Eldar [01:04:34]:
Yeah.

Katherine [01:04:34]:
So you actually are convinced, like, no, nobody. Nobody's future is guaranteed. You don't believe nobody in this room.

Eldar [01:04:40]:
You do not believe that.

Katherine [01:04:41]:
You know.

Eldar [01:04:41]:
Yeah. But you don't believe that. It is the truth. But you don't actually believe that.

Toliy [01:04:46]:
It's difficult to believe that because then, like, you're 100%. Our actions would be different, would reflect it.

Katherine [01:04:52]:
That's why I said the irony or like the sickness of it, you know?

Eldar [01:04:56]:
Yeah, It's.

Toliy [01:04:57]:
It's backwards. That's why it's so strong, is because, like, those fears and those anxieties, it's a guarantee. It's. It's a feeling of a guarantee of a future.

Katherine [01:05:04]:
I feel like fear has to be one of the strongest, like, feelings out there for us humans, you know? You know, it keeps us from so much. Or, like, look at what it does to you, you know?

Eldar [01:05:15]:
And the fascinating part is it's made up.

Mike [01:05:19]:
Yeah.

Katherine [01:05:19]:
I'm seeing it so strong.

Denis [01:05:21]:
It's all just fucking whatever.

Katherine [01:05:26]:
Like, love is, like, one of the strongest feelings. But this one's pretty. This one's pretty.

Toliy [01:05:29]:
Do you believe that? Like. Like, there has to be kind of like a yin and like a yang.

Eldar [01:05:35]:
Scenario with these things, the good and the bad.

Toliy [01:05:38]:
Like, do you think that it's possible for only one of them to exist? Or do you think they're like, in.

Eldar [01:05:44]:
The world of an experiencer? Yes. In the world of observer, no. Make sense. That's how I feel.

Toliy [01:05:51]:
In the world of an experiencer, yes. There has to be both.

Eldar [01:05:55]:
Correct.

Toliy [01:05:55]:
In the world of an observer, none of them exist.

Eldar [01:05:58]:
Now we as people. I think you're trying to get to the point to be present to one day be able to choose how we want to engage these phenomenal things that are happening in our minds. You know what I mean? And the world. Ultimately, though, I mean, the enlightened thing, right. Is to become the observer and understand that those things don't even exist in the first place. Yeah. But we are constant participants and constantly, like I said, she's the marketer and the buyer at the same time. You know, the person.

Eldar [01:06:28]:
Yeah. Biggest promoter.

Toliy [01:06:30]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:06:30]:
So, you know, until she empowers herself to understand that she has a third eye. Right. A third perspective. And not to speak in James's language. All right, if you're listening, James.

Toliy [01:06:42]:
Yeah. Cuz like, if you really believe that, like, tomorrow is not guaranteed. Right. Or like, tomorrow, like, this is it. Right. Like, there's no way that those same fears and stuff like that that you would have would be there, right?

Eldar [01:06:54]:
Correct. It's impossible.

Toliy [01:06:55]:
Like, if you can believe that when.

Katherine [01:06:58]:
Your mind, when you're in that moment of fear, anxiety, whatever it is that's like plaguing you and you're like, well.

Eldar [01:07:04]:
The problem is, the solution is not that. Totally. Right. I don't think the solution to the. To these problems is tomorrow is not guaranteed. Be in the moment. I think that's a terrible way of explaining this. You know what I mean? It's a.

Eldar [01:07:15]:
It's like a cop out almost. It's like. It's like. All right, take this. Tomorrow's not guaranteed, right? Yeah, yeah, of course.

Toliy [01:07:20]:
Oh, no.

Eldar [01:07:22]:
Yolo. Yolo. You're not.

Toliy [01:07:23]:
Yeah. You did it off that then. Yeah. That's actually like cheating. It's not cheating.

Eldar [01:07:28]:
You'll never. It'll never work. It'll never work. It'll never work. I don't think it's. It's very hard to convince yourself of that statement. Believe it and then execute it on a consistent basis. Yeah.

Eldar [01:07:38]:
You know, I'm saying I think that you have to ultimately empower yourself, that you have magical powers on the other end as well to create reality versus create fantasies, bad ones. You can actually create realities that actually are favorable and that you're gonna actually enjoy. You know what I'm saying? I think that's the goal. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think it's a lot more feasible than just fucking saying, you know, oh, tomorrow's not guaranteed, bro. So just, why don't you just enjoy yourself? What?

Denis [01:08:07]:
Yeah, it's like fear based.

Eldar [01:08:08]:
It's fear based. You know what I mean? Like what? Nobody buys.

Denis [01:08:12]:
Okay, let me enjoy.

Eldar [01:08:13]:
Yeah. You know, yolo. It's ridiculous. It's Ridiculous. You know what I mean? That means the comfort, obviously, is in the fact that you want to try to, you know, have a solid life where you can project good things and tomorrow is guaranteed, and you're gonna enjoy tomorrow as well, and you're gonna wake up tomorrow in good health and stuff like that.

Denis [01:08:35]:
Something happened where you started talking about discipline, and then she brought in 1%, and then something went past.

Eldar [01:08:45]:
I think they passed that already, right?

Denis [01:08:47]:
No, but I'm saying, like.

Toliy [01:08:48]:
Like.

Denis [01:08:48]:
No, I just mean, like. Like someone asked, how do you like, is discipline?

Toliy [01:08:52]:
Can.

Denis [01:08:52]:
Like. I think it can be by. If you. For instance, like, he was actually trying to subconsciously take a shot at me, which is like, yo, if you know this shit is good, why are you only doing 10 minutes? Well, we can argue. If I had more discipline, I would spend more time doing something that is.

Mike [01:09:10]:
We could argue that.

Eldar [01:09:11]:
No, you were smarter. I would say then you would do it more. Not discipline.

Denis [01:09:16]:
Well, if. Not if. Now you're talking about, like, willpower. If I had the.

Eldar [01:09:22]:
On the.

Toliy [01:09:24]:
No, he's saying if you had more intelligence.

Ivanna [01:09:27]:
But if he does it every day, he does do it more and more. Does interest. Long time over the 24 hours. It means long time over the course of days, years, months.

Eldar [01:09:39]:
Mike actually didn't even use smarts. He said courage.

Denis [01:09:42]:
Yeah.

Eldar [01:09:43]:
You have no courage. You can't face yourself, therefore you can't do more.

Denis [01:09:46]:
You just talked about willpower.

Mike [01:09:49]:
Well, here.

Denis [01:09:50]:
Some people might be blessed with a lot of it. Willpower, meaning what? I mean, like, you're doing all. And that's probably also how you are raised. Has to do with it. But, like, I know meditation is great. I'm gonna go sit for four hours, or I'm gonna do this. Or I'm always. Whatever.

Denis [01:10:03]:
Whatever the example, if you. If you don't have the unlimited willpower, that's where discipline comes in, where you're like, all right, cool. Like, I know X is good for me, and I want Y outcome, but I'm not going to do X just off of willpower. Just off of.

Eldar [01:10:17]:
You know what?

Denis [01:10:17]:
Just the way that he goes to play basketball on Saturday. Like, I'm not. I don't have that for everything, but I know that the things that I might not have it for. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are bad things. It means that I'm probably a lazy. B. Don't have this unlimited willpower where I could just force myself to be focused on everything. That's not so easy sometimes.

Eldar [01:10:34]:
Or you just have preferences, bro. It just sounds like to me at least you just go to church on Sundays, you know, if you've sinned all week and you go and you go and you're paying, you're paying your sins on Sundays and say, you know what? Yeah. Like I'm so sorry for everything that I've done, you know, during those 10 minutes. And that's it. And then you.

Denis [01:10:49]:
And that is.

Eldar [01:10:49]:
And then what happening 100%. Because then you go back to the things that you actually like to do which then cause some fires, which you're like, I quack at seven a little bit too much. I'm having too much fun here. It hurts a little bit. So I'm gonna take, you know, taper it down a little bit with 10 minute meditation. That's it. That's all that's happening. Yeah.

Eldar [01:11:04]:
You don't actually like meditate, so that's a lie.

Ivanna [01:11:09]:
Okay, so for him it might work for 10 minutes. For someone else it might be an hour. But that doesn't discredit what he's actually.

Denis [01:11:17]:
How are you gonna tell me? How you gonna tell me what I like and don't like?

Eldar [01:11:20]:
I'm so sorry. That's what I just did.

Denis [01:11:22]:
Yeah, but like how, like how. We're not talking about freedom. We have freedom of everything. I'm saying, as a proponent of logic and philosophy, how are you gonna so confidently.

Eldar [01:11:36]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:11:36]:
Say what another human being is feeling or not feeling about something.

Eldar [01:11:39]:
Oh, because it's very simple, bro. Really. You don't. You do it very seldomly, as my mom says. Means that you probably did it last time. Two weeks ago. One time.

Denis [01:11:48]:
Yes, that counter.

Eldar [01:11:49]:
Okay, cool. That last time you did argue your. When's the last time you did that before that?

Denis [01:11:53]:
About two days ago and then three days ago.

Eldar [01:11:56]:
So every single day for how long?

Denis [01:11:57]:
I do five to six and I've been trying for two months. The point here is not to boast about it unfortunately became this kind of.

Eldar [01:12:03]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:12:03]:
Ye.

Eldar [01:12:13]:
Why it's very like short lived and stuff like that. Most of the time.

Mike [01:12:16]:
Sure. Great.

Eldar [01:12:16]:
You on the good street? Good shit, bro. You know, I mean, let me know when you fall off.

Denis [01:12:19]:
That's what I'm saying.

Toliy [01:12:20]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:12:20]:
And that's why you guys, you guys vibe with your philosophy so much and nothing else.

Toliy [01:12:26]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:12:26]:
You know, because.

Eldar [01:12:26]:
No, what do you mean? Like if you like it, you're gonna keep doing it. It's just a very simple equipment.

Denis [01:12:31]:
You guys think, you know what I mean? Everything. And then anybody's who, who has a different method, it's got to be so here. You tried to discredit my whole. Because you were waiting for me to.

Eldar [01:12:40]:
Say, you're the man over here. Two months straight, bro.

Denis [01:12:43]:
Wait, and if I said six months? Oh, it's only for 10 minutes every day, huh?

Mike [01:12:48]:
When was the time when you were here and you asked for 10 minutes every day when you were working in the office?

Eldar [01:12:53]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:12:54]:
That was not two months ago.

Denis [01:12:56]:
Well, what are you.

Mike [01:12:57]:
So he did it again over there. He fell off, and then he's back at it again.

Eldar [01:13:01]:
No, you lost weight, you fell off.

Denis [01:13:03]:
You gained it back. People try things that are good for them, then they fall off, then they come back.

Eldar [01:13:10]:
People try things that they think they're gonna. They're good for them, and then. Yeah, they fall off.

Mike [01:13:14]:
Exactly.

Eldar [01:13:14]:
That's what they do.

Denis [01:13:15]:
No, people try things that are good for them a lot of times. Not everything, of course, but then they realize that they're lazy or they're full of. And they don't have consistency.

Eldar [01:13:24]:
Yeah, because they're like all this. They don't like actually because they're like other shit. It's very simple. We talked about this.

Denis [01:13:31]:
Lots of philosophies.

Eldar [01:13:32]:
Yes. 100. Listen, if you're pulling teeth out there, you know what I mean? That's how you tell me the consequences. If you don't do 10 minutes. Do you pinch yourself? No, I don't.

Denis [01:13:40]:
Like. We have nothing more to talk about.

Eldar [01:13:43]:
If you don't do 10 minutes, what are the punishments? Come clean right now. What is the punishment if you don't do 10 minutes every day? Tell me what the punishment is.

Denis [01:13:51]:
You serious? I can tell you all the details you're not gonna get.

Eldar [01:13:53]:
What's the punishment? Oh, my God. Tell me what the punishment is. Be honest. 100%.

Mike [01:13:58]:
Wow.

Eldar [01:13:59]:
What's the punishment?

Denis [01:14:01]:
This actually shows this. These kinds of.

Eldar [01:14:03]:
He has a punishment or. No, to be honest, I'm a little. Does he have a punishment for not doing 10 minutes a day meditation, Mike.

Denis [01:14:09]:
Why?

Eldar [01:14:10]:
Why?

Denis [01:14:10]:
I pushed the gas on your thing that you.

Ivanna [01:14:12]:
He probably does, but that's normal.

Toliy [01:14:17]:
It's normal?

Eldar [01:14:18]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:14:18]:
It's normal to punish yourself.

Denis [01:14:20]:
Do I have a punishment?

Eldar [01:14:23]:
I did ask you several times. You didn't answer.

Denis [01:14:25]:
Maybe. What do you want me to say? If I say yeah, does that, like, prove you're like.

Eldar [01:14:29]:
Yeah, it would have been a good, good thing. Well, I'm glad you've leveled up, bro.

Ivanna [01:14:32]:
The question is, how do you hold yourself accountable? That is the question.

Eldar [01:14:37]:
Well, that's. That's what I'm going That's what I'm going at. You know what I mean? Like, accountability. Yeah. You know, like, if you don't do the 10 minutes, next day is tomorrow's 20 minutes.

Ivanna [01:14:46]:
That's a question for him to answer.

Eldar [01:14:47]:
Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. There's some kind of sort of like a little trick.

Denis [01:14:53]:
Yeah, it's just. It's. It's a. You guys. You guys are. Yeah.

Ivanna [01:14:57]:
Anyway, now it just became personal, and I think we need to.

Denis [01:15:00]:
No, no, it always does.

Eldar [01:15:02]:
Yeah.

Mike [01:15:03]:
That's why it's great.

Eldar [01:15:04]:
But. Yo, D, man, like, you don't understand. You.

Denis [01:15:07]:
You. You guys. It comes back to our argument a few months ago, where it's like, you guys have bought into your flow and.

Eldar [01:15:14]:
You just, like, nauseating.

Denis [01:15:15]:
I know you guys ride like.

Mike [01:15:18]:
Like.

Denis [01:15:18]:
Like he'll say this nonsense, and then I'm like, I'll dispute you, but you riding. You gotta ride with it. You'll amp it up. And now this individual, what happens on this camera is he actually thinks, like, he's on to something, right?

Eldar [01:15:30]:
Like.

Denis [01:15:30]:
And then it's just like, this transfer of, like. I know, like, el co. Sign me. So I'm on to something. And then. But what I am glad.

Eldar [01:15:38]:
He's like a vicious dog right on the leash, and I let him off sometimes. What I am glad about a vicious parrot.

Denis [01:15:44]:
I am glad about it.

Eldar [01:15:45]:
Even though I love you.

Denis [01:15:46]:
I love you very much. Yeah, I'm glad this happened, this last part, because that's where I was pushing for the other thing, where you actually come clean and say your actual feelings about, like, you're full of shit. The meditation full of shit. Because that's what you're actually thinking. But then you try to, like, you know what, Amp up the other cats. You know what I mean?

Eldar [01:16:00]:
If it's working for you, more power to you. Regardless of the truth of the nonsense that I'm spewing. I'm just enjoying myself. I'm just laughing at it. That's all it is if I'm shooting in the right direction. Listen, you sleep with it, not me, of course. Yeah, that's it.

Denis [01:16:13]:
It'll eat me alive at night.

Eldar [01:16:15]:
I hope not, because, you know. Plus, you have the antidote.

Denis [01:16:19]:
It's only 10. Yeah, there you go.

Katherine [01:16:20]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:16:23]:
These kinds of moments, fellas. I know it's funny, but, like, I try to.

Eldar [01:16:28]:
But. Come on.

Denis [01:16:30]:
No, but.

Eldar [01:16:30]:
Yeah, but what you do, it's a little bit of a broken record with this man.

Denis [01:16:33]:
Well, that's because it's the same thing. Every time it's like, well, we are too young. The truth that you three think you have, it's really flawed because.

Eldar [01:16:41]:
Yeah, I know. Remember, we also have a cop out. We know nothing. Yeah, we don't have a cop out.

Denis [01:16:48]:
BS Cop out, just like you said. I don't believe that. I like my shit. You don't believe that at all. You very much believe. And this is the way of the law of the land and every. Everybody else is just stupid. And that's it.

Denis [01:17:00]:
Just like you're telling me, you know.

Eldar [01:17:04]:
No, I'll be fine today. Already here. During philosophy. I'll explain that later.

Ivanna [01:17:17]:
You guys used to hand out alcohol at Philosophy Club. What happened?

Eldar [01:17:21]:
We're on the break right now.

Katherine [01:17:23]:
Okay.

Eldar [01:17:23]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:17:24]:
If you think this is much, you should have seen him on alcohol. That's why we stopped him.

Eldar [01:17:29]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.

Toliy [01:17:32]:
Yeah, I would say D, once a quarter is my estimation of how often this happens.

Eldar [01:17:38]:
Which. Which. Which kind of thing.

Toliy [01:17:39]:
Like. Like what. What happens.

Denis [01:17:41]:
But once a quarter is when I actually talk on the podcast.

Toliy [01:17:44]:
That's awesome.

Eldar [01:17:46]:
But does it really hurt? Like, is it always at your expense? No.

Denis [01:17:51]:
What do you mean? Like, in this scenario, like, you stand behind your. Yeah, yeah. The division is the problem. You're always dividing it. That's part of the problem, too, where it's like, you step on my shirt.

Eldar [01:18:04]:
It's always like, you say this, you say your stuff is right there. You keep saying.

Denis [01:18:08]:
Yeah, you're putting us. We were having a discussion.

Eldar [01:18:13]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:18:13]:
About certain intrinsic things.

Mike [01:18:15]:
About the mind.

Eldar [01:18:15]:
Yeah.

Denis [01:18:16]:
We were in alignment, all of us, for the most part, for like an.

Eldar [01:18:19]:
Hour and a half.

Denis [01:18:20]:
Because of why? Because it was certain. Like, you can't really refute it. Homie threw a little match. You like that. You jumped on it. The buzzwords came about. You know what I'm saying? What ends up happening is, let's say you had a good topic that's actually going somewhere.

Eldar [01:18:41]:
Well, we did get somewhere deep. We realized that there's a theory behind the topic and then there's application behind it. And when we got to the application part, we differ, and it became very funny. What's wrong with that?

Denis [01:18:51]:
There was no difference about.

Eldar [01:18:53]:
No. What do you mean? You show. You told us about, hey, this is the way I get into my present moment. My moment and stuff like that. This is what I do. He said, this is what he does. He said a couple of funny things, and we kind of ran with it.

Denis [01:19:02]:
He just discredited the other thing that he doesn't do. Like, he usually does like you usually do. Well, you usually do it undercover through this way where like, what are these guys doing? Yeah, no, I'm good.

Eldar [01:19:14]:
Listen, my question. You okay, though we have to apologize in public or.

Denis [01:19:18]:
No, like, bruh, if it's one thing you know about me, like, first of all, nothing happened. If it's one thing you know about me. No, I'm asking.

Eldar [01:19:25]:
Yeah. Is it.

Denis [01:19:26]:
Is it that, like, you know, you ever see me like, you're too upset?

Eldar [01:19:29]:
No, you're pretty good, bro.

Denis [01:19:31]:
When they lock me out of the door.

Eldar [01:19:33]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I appreciate. I appreciate what I do wish it does.

Denis [01:19:37]:
It doesn't upset me, but it disappoints every time this kind of thing is.

Eldar [01:19:42]:
Come on.

Denis [01:19:43]:
Damn. You know, like. Like, this is what you about.

Eldar [01:19:46]:
All right, so I think that he.

Toliy [01:19:48]:
Feels that you're gatekeeping him from what? Being together.

Eldar [01:19:51]:
What? Oh, wait, wait, wait. Yeah, don't talk for him. See, he just said that.

Denis [01:19:56]:
I'm saying, like, that is what like. Yeah, that's good.

Eldar [01:19:59]:
Y'all talk about.

Toliy [01:20:01]:
But it turns into a divide, right?

Eldar [01:20:04]:
Troll fest. The troll fest.

Mike [01:20:06]:
Tell me. Yeah, but what. What did we say?

Eldar [01:20:08]:
That it loses its value.

Mike [01:20:09]:
And that's what was said. That was not logical. Haven't.

Denis [01:20:19]:
That's the answer.

Mike [01:20:20]:
I don't think there's actually the square root of one.

Eldar [01:20:22]:
Yeah, that's the point.

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