Ep98: Civilian Sluts Feat Kristen Sollee

And then at the end of it it says she curates the annual legacy of the Witch Charity Festival in Brooklyn, New York, and I was like, oh my god. So I googled your name and then I saw some professional email and I was like, man, let me do the Graham and I'm so got it right. I was actually at the bar and I was like, what the I mean? I love people take amazing photos, but that was a amazing photo and like, as I drank. Also, I got

so many followers you know that happened. So I was like, holy sh it, thank you and totally heard of your podcast and I'm actually like, this is bad to say, but I don't listen to podcasts a lot, but I listened to like specific episodes and I've listened because Vice after they covered you, I was like, yeah, introduce yourself please, So yeah, my name is Kristin sole a ak Kristen Corvette on the internet just because I don't know. It's like a trashy car and definitely like the trash car.

Kristin Corvette sounds super like fu. I mean, it's not like a trashy car, but it's not like a fancy car, right right right, I can afford it. I don't actually have a fucking corvette yet, So that's like on the list. I googled your book like to like get some info on it, like before I was doing this, and like you're all over the internet, like you're top ten, this top ten thatt that's humble. So they can't afford modest, can't afford like you know, it doesn't always translate to dollars.

Feature what's set up? Still grateful, Still grateful, waiting on the Corevett listen. I'm really excited for people to pick up this book. So I want to tell you a little bit but how I found it? Um. I shop at a bookstore called Blue Stockings, activist bookstore on the Lower East Side, and I always passed by it on my walk home and your cover made me like, oh ship. I didn't even read the back of the book, but like that was good. It says her book is called Witches,

Sluts and Feminists. I really love this book. Like, honestly, I don't like books with like I don't know, just too much like real stuff like I like that give me Like I was like Zane, like I don't know, fictional like a good like ghetto Rodico type of book, you know what I mean. But this was just a book that really resonated with me. And I mean Courter Million, which is dying like all that, Like, yeah, just tell us a little bit, like why do you write this

book and what is it? Yeah? Um, So I've always been interested in X and H alternative ways of talking about sex and non normative sex, prescriptions against sex, the stigma against sexuality, especially like female sexuality, um, any kind of non normative sexuality according to like white patriarchal whatever, and so that's always been an interest. I've always been fascinated with the occult. My mom's a witch, um, but I never really connected the two until I don't know,

like six seven years ago. I just really I started this site called Sluttest, and that's your website. Yeah wow, yeah, uh no, I was about to get into your mama being a wig. Okay, I just started. I have lots of wich questions because I was thinking it was going to be scarier than I thought until you broke which down. Yeah. Yeah, like for real, I'm not here for the You gotta definitely wrote this book so both types of people can relate to it, and I feel like I tried to

do that. You think you are maybe not in sixteen, so there is a way to look at it if you don't believe in any of that ship. My dad's a hardcore atheist, my mom's which, so they did not stay married along. But so I feel like I had a good position sort of can I can put myself in both places as I sort of run on both sides of the whatever belief systems. I'm still like I'm definitely an agnostic in a lot of ways too, but

I'm also which whatever. So because of that, I felt like I was in a unique position to talk about the way women in particular have been demonized throughout history, often because of sexuality or men not understanding women's sexuality or its kind of wanting to own it and possess it and treat them like bodies to be used and discarded.

And oftentimes the witch was the archetype thrust upon these women, whether they are super a Christian or atheists or just like didn't go to church or whatever, so based on their sexuality. I read something in your book that said men were able to basically sentence a woman to her death by saying she looked at them and they had sex with her, and so she must be a witch. Basically seduction absolutely, yeah, And then the opposite was true too.

If a woman didn't, you know, have sex with the man she was supposed to, or maybe marry a man she was supposed to, that could also be witchcraft. If she's sharing information about reproduction or fertility, that could be which is something that's definitely that you might not know. Genital Yes, that was from Charmed, and I only know the succubus was the man eater. That's a female sexual demon. Now I read something where you said a quarter millie was it more than a quarter a million women died

for being quote unquote witches. No, no no, no, no, just a little bit. So Actually the numbers are really sketchy because a lot of those incomplete records, and you know, they didn't always write down when they would murder someone. But it's actually there were I'm feminist in the seventies, I say there that said that many there were like over millions of women. But now numbers point to according to like sort of even handed social scientists, maybe like two,

um fifty to two hundred thousand. But I still think the point is that this demonization happened, and it still happens in plenty countries to women died for being host pretty much a lot into being hosed. Yeah, I mean some of them were just like wrong place, wrong time, and people got caught up in the fervor when I met the bread the birthmark thing. We'll get into it, but that way, so, um, I wanted to get into

some vanilla ships. So, Kristen, it's our segment where we talk about uh an article where we it's sex in the news in this article, I really, why do we be breaking down vanilla ships so difficult? It is? It's just sex in the news, y'all. I don't know. I want to be more articulate because it's sex in the news. It's just like a news article about so it's a Variety dot com and the headline is Terry Gillum says me too movement has transformed into mob rule. It's a

world of victims. I think people did very well out of meeting with Harvey, and others didn't. The ones who did knew what they were doing. These are adults were talking about here, adults with ambition. He claimed that these women didn't actually suffer, but further their career their careers, and that he knew women who walked out of meetings with the mogul before getting sexually abused quote unquote. I feel sorry for someone like Matt Damon, who's a decent

human being. He came out and said not all men are rapists, and then he got beaten to death, Like, come on, that's crazy. Despite describing the Me Too movement as simplistic and silly, he said that Weinstein was a monster and warned that there were people still in the industry like him. I don't think Hollywood will change power ticks advantage. It always doesn't always have this who wrote that A guy is Terry Gillman. It sounds like Future

because Future actually just came over. Yeah, so um, he actually just came out when everyone was talking about the R. Kelly documentary. He came out and was like, I think y'all given it too much attention. Excuse me, says the man who's sitting here impregnating all these women sitting here showing that he's brom I'm ready to cancel Future. I know we don't like the cancel culture, but he's one of those that has showed that he doesn't really care

about where women stands. He verbally abused, you know how to shut it. He shouldn't said a goddamn thing. So you're reading that, I'm like Future rights like we're giving too much know how a mom thing. But I really was interested in your opinion in have you ever been or how do you feel reading that? Has someone ever said you're pushing feminist culture too much? And or feminist feminist culture is toxic? What does that mean when people

say that we're toxic feminists? I mean that's also a popular buzzword, toxic masculinity, toxic femininity, whatever you know, and I get it. Too much of anything, it's like a bad thing, except when you're talking about equal rights for all humans. I don't know how you can do too much of that? Ums right, So how do we have you?

Have you had some pushback on your book being too feminist? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, there's some fun like trolley right wing articles like liberals and feminists are all witches now, you know, which is really them being upset about? You know, people just seeing this lineage of persecution that just continues, and it's just the same thing as it happens today in all different ways that the like dominant people with the most privileged

blame the most oppressed people for all their problems. That happens obviously with every segment of society, whether it's immigrants or people of color, or like women with the Me too movement. Right, So it's just talking about things that happened in the past that are still still happening, whether it's happening or it's happening the same way but a

different way in the same sense. So even though maybe we're not dealing with segregation or slavery anymore, you can still sit here and kind of draw a line to the pay um, wage gap, or you know, maybe not having equal opportunity the way that you're claiming we're equal opportunity employers, but yet you're still sitting here not allowing certain people are demographics to get those jobs. So I

love that you're doing that. All you're doing is drawing a line from maybe centuries ago, hundreds of years ago. I didn't read the book. I probably will read the book now because I'm not gonna lie like, which is a girl again? I'll be talking about spills and ship. We had a million or ties. I don't know if you know her, and one of our most listen to episodes a lot of people you know, and she's she's the good root, high and like and she's dope. I

actually hit her up recently. I watched bird Box. Did you watch it? And I was like, yeah, I really need your help, Like I didn't know how demonic this movie would be. I can't sleep, And she gave me a chance and basically told me to if I ever feel that way, just say hey, like, if you're not of the light, I want you to leave. And she's like,

quote chant prayer. We always assume to be different. Well, no, we associate prayer and I do with religion, So like just saying something to make yourself feel good, it really helps me. Time you feel bad, I got some good happy songs. Thing. It is all different. You know you don't have for a movie, girl, Every time I watched three hundred, I feel like I could beat anybody. Three hundred is my movie I go to when I feel

like I gotta watch comedies. After I wanted only to read that because I really get annoyed with how the me too movement is described as this culture of like people tagging on and also interesting UM a friend of the show, and we've had her on. Leah McSweeney has

had a lot of controversial UM YouTube and blogs. She's put up for saying that the me too movement can be toxic because she feels like real kind of rapes are violent, right or there are women that are being violated, and she feels like certain women are using it as a I don't want to quote her wrong, but basically saying it's a little too much and a lot of

else don't like that. But she also said that she doesn't believe in a rape culture, so even like having that idea of a rape culture and even just the dialogue going through now, Um, a lot of people listen to um, the Joe Budden Show, and even men now questioning, well, how can I talk to a woman now since everything is me too? And now I feel like if I just holler at you now, I sexually assaulted you. And so now there's men that are blurring those lines where

it's like, y'all know what the funk we're talking about? Like, come then any reasonable person knows, like what consent looks like and what appropriate behavior looks like. But I get it. We're in this like new territory where everything is you know, taken to the extreme or not listen to it all. It's sort of like either or you know, we haven't found you have to go far to go back, to go to the middle, to sort of even out, you know,

your understandings about all that. I hate questions about, but I hate questions or men are like, well how do I know? And it's like, yeah, right, you don't, right, right, So we're gonna go ahead. So every show we have a kick of the week, Um, this is another one. We're gonna go ahead and warn y'all. Since Mad People was throwing up with the porn categories episode. This one is rather nasty. Um, you picked felching and I was disgusted. You know you do it, and she said it. She

described it so disgustingly, I said. I was like, oh my god, I read the words out of my phone. I described, maybe you read really good at that time, because you know, I normally don't like when you breathe, but she read it. I'm good at reading in my head and just not out of my mouth. So this um so the kink of the week for this week, guys is ovi posit tour, a kink that involves laying eggs into someone, usually involving alien eggs, bugs, tentacles, et cetera,

and can be seen occasionally in Henti. There is a large amount of art involving It's on tumbler and it's commonly associated with the inflation thing. Um kink another thing that I brought up. I was trying to find that because the girl told me she watches that. So inflation.

I love how my phone just goes to different links. So. According to urban dictionary dot com, urban gation, inflation is one um a sexual practice in which the practictition er inflates his or her stomach by inserting air or fluid into his or her rctum. Um too. It's a fetish involving inflation of all parts of the body. Um. So think Violet in the Charlie Charlie and the chocolate factory,

usually the stomach. This fetish tends to be related to furries, and it's often portrayed in an outwardly non sexual concept. I'm going through inflation right now, so yeah, maybe a nigga might like a little bloated so um. One of the articles that I actually pulled up from vice dot com again shout out Vice. It says that the emerging fetish of laying alien eggs inside yourself. Um, So there's actually these toys that you can get. Um at the sex shot. I've been wearing eggs for years. I never

thought about it. Bro. So they look like alien penises and they shoot out eggs, and you could shoot the eggs into yourself if you're into this kink. But like yeah, um and so yeah, they actually look really weird. Um. I don't know if y'all can see crazy. Um. And it's asking So this article asking is asking how people got into it. Um. This is also asking where the sexual the sexual gratification comes from it. Um it says, let's face it, there are three things that will always

sell food, death, and sex. I tried food service and decided, after managing three restaurants and owning that one day, um, day in and day out, that it didn't much look like much was going to change. Death didn't really interest me, so I wanted something more fun, something that breaks the monotony of people's days and makes them spit out their

coffee when they tell you that they like to do so. Basically, to me, it would be maybe something just the shock factor of maybe thinking about it, I'm not gonna lie. I feel aliens would have like the biggest dicks, Like their dicks would be like bigger than horses. I don't know. I don't know why I envisioned aliens. So this is something that's really so I'm into sci fi, and I've said this on the show often. Clearly I don't believe in science, which is probably why I'm so into sci fi.

So I have because of the science. It's it's it's fake ship bro. So I'll really be like into sci fi, like thinking, if the if the world is these aliens, maybe I think they all friendly. I just don't know why we think aliens are bad people. I think differently too. I feel like they would all give women orgasms since men can't. So I'm here for aliens coming to you know, the first point you're going to direct speaking of laying egg porn, what's the weirdest thing you think you came

across while searching porn online? Kristen just generally research for the book. Um oh wait, no, did you have research for this? Oh? I just was thinking, of course, Um, which early modern like medieval type sexual scenarios I read a lot about, but that's not really medieval sex. I didn't medieval people. I haven't really came across the porn like that, but like, yeah, there gotta be Game of

Thrones all kinds of cosplay. As far as just general porn. Ah, I guess I've seen some interesting A friend of mine had some robot porn that had the robots had all the different parts like two giant penises and a vagina and an asshole, and so it was, you know, really really not like a hot human like robot. It was just like, well, the face looked like a woman. There were breasts, but you know, multiple penises, penis vagina. Now what does your friend do it? What did your friend

get off on this port? Oh? Yeah, he actually paid for it, and um, I think that's awesome. You should pay for your porn. Um and because it's just support niche right right, right right, But that that was totally like animated, so that you know, but yeah, it was anti is all animated porn? No, I think it is, but this was like not because hence I you know, technically it's like Japanese, right, so I this was Russian and Trump got it, so yeah, it was. It was good.

It was good. That's some weird ship. That's weird. I think we said some weird ship, but that was some weird ship, dude. So the weirdest ones we said on our last episode, they got it because we're not gonna make them time. Christian someone wrote it and he said, well, I was watching his porn where six dudes coming a cup, they put it in a frying pan, cook it up, needed to a girl and it really looked like eggs.

And I was just like, I want to know what he kind of what rabbit hole he had to go down to to find that one that's not that far, Dude, I watched Mukoki every night and someone's like, I'm not into the feeding on like spoons or cups. I like, just come on face or like body. I think that's sexy, but like they girls drink it all the time. Makes sense, it made next step is popsicle ones? Right, Well, and I've said it, I guess, and I just guess. I

wasn't into it. So I have a guy that used to make me squirt like every time we had sex, and he literally wanted me to squirt in a cup so that he can mix it with the rock and drink it. And so with a name for that drink, I'm not gonna lend you. There are moments where I'm looking at porn or hearing ship like that and it doesn't really shock me, And I'm like, when did they go too far? I think that's too far to get here because you don't think they like, you know what,

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read this book? You you were gonna get. I mean, I gotta say it's not for everybody, so should read it? Because we should? Yeah, I think even if you totally disagree with everything. Look, I'm putting forth a lot of history interviews with a lot of different people, and I'm showing how women and feminine folks, which includes like gender queer fems or trans women, you know, UM, how femininity has been devalued and UM, how women and feminine folks

have been persecuted throughout history because of that. And UM, just drawing all these different disparate parts of UM art and culture and literature. It's it feels like a really historical and I don't want it this turning people off, But like I learned a lot more than I thought. I'm so glad. Yeah, well I like I like that. When UM, when I was in probably my junior year of college, we you know, we had to take certain electives, UM,

and one was women in history. UM. And so that's where I actually don't like history, but I enjoyed reading that. At one point, nymphomaniacs were treated as mentally unstable and

had to go to like crazy houses and stuff. They're trying to do that because women enjoyed sex, and I feel like that's possibly what they are trying to do, even in this age where right now we're not tumbler, they're they're taking that away we're also taking away on Instagram, so which I don't know, we're gonna have the Horrible Decisions page much longer. But if it seems like we're insinuating that people should go out and have sex, they're can't saying those type of pages to Wildflower Sex is

a big Instagram that just got deleted. They got it back, but I mean, it's very it's horrible the you know, what's going on with Foster Sesta and the persecution of sex workers, and this also ties into that because um, I'm going back into history with the same and talking about, you know, the way women's sexuality and spirituality was not

thought of as you know totally uh anathema. You know, like those things could be combined and work combined in certain belief systems thousands of years ago, and there'll be priestesses in these temples where you would go have sex with them and you'd reach communion with the goddess through having sex with them, and that's like the highest of

the highest ecstasy you could receive. And now you know the way of sex workers are are treated and abused and not given rights in our country and countries in the world of course too. It's just unconscionable. And so that's like the next step is to realize, you know, to designatize sexuality overall means to also like treat sex workers with the same respect and give them equal But it's just not even only sex workers. I wanted I wanted to bring this down to any men who are

listening who are like, man, that's not me. I want to simplify it because it's a common thing that we even have with this podcast, where a lot of men I think that women don't have sex to enjoy sex.

They think that women attach all sexual acts to emotions to where women don't cheat or if you do this, you will how or slut because a woman attaches all emotions to sex instead of just thinking that, hey, maybe as a woman, I want to feel pleasure and I want to come and even if you date it back to the early centuries where women were just looked at as reproductive organ like, it was looked down upon if

a woman just said, hey, I like having sex. I like now that you're talking about that, Kristin, can you tell us because she's saying some things that I think you brought up with, which is like, what were things that people. Why were you called a which what were some of those things that you could do? One of them you mentioned was the art of seduction or birthmarks, Like, can you tell us some of those things? Yeah, And just to respond to what you're saying before, I totally agree.

It's not just sex workers. That's just like you know, you know, the like heightened example, but all female sexuality, all women's sexuality, is all anyone who identifies as a slut. Obviously you don't do a professional slut. You can be a civilian slut and like you get you got a lot of that stigma as well. Um, yeah, and you know, civilian slut got a stand up for the professional slots.

You know, buil this all you totally do it. So yeah, going back to you know, some of the same like things that are happening to uh sluts today for just want to enjoy pleasure consentially exactly every Roses in the book. By the way, I didn't write you. You wrote amber Rose, and I was like, oh okay, and then I read to Join the Truth and I was like, oh that's it. Oh yeah, that's right. So what was a witch? What

should you be a witch? For? One could be um if you had a like a birthmark or unusual marking where they especially in like British cases of witchcraft, because they thought there'd be animal familiars which with these like little demon animals often sometimes in the form of a cat or like a goat or a rabbit, and they would suckle on a witch's um teet or sort of this protrusion of flat which oftentimes would be the clitterest.

So they would just you know, search a woman's body to find something a little off and a clip would count as they're like, oh, yeah, that she has a clip. That's if you had a big complx. Yes, yes, if you had a big clip, they'd be like, oh yeah, that's where the d animal demon you know, suckles and so you're a witch. Yeah, shut the funk up. Yeah, there's got exemas, so I'm an extra nipple anything, you know. And so that was one and of course the search

itself is like sanctified assault by the state. You know, there's like men searching the bodies of these women for you know, so they really have not been known what to do with the clip. For you it's been demonized literally like they literally thought it was the province of some little demon like the little fleshy area has been four centuries. So like what about women? Okay, so what

about women's sexuality made them a witch? Yeah? Um, I guess, you know, being too sexual, breast tips or maybe not that I don't have any evidence was that I know of of how body would be to deem her a witch or not. I mean it's possible, but I don't have the evidence for that. Just acting out of the ordinary, you know, in the ordinary would change depending on the town in the you know, the country or the regions. So all the witch hunts, it was, it differed all

over you know, all over Europe. And there were some men obviously, I gotta say that I don't like to spend much time talking about something. Right, it's not many but like or women, but there are men who accused of witchcraft as well, And oftentimes it was because they were related to an accused female witch. Like yeah, if

your mom, your sister, your wife, you know you're probably next. Yeah, and if you're a woman who's accused of witchcraft, but then like acquitted, you know, sometimes you would you know, be let off or you would you know, say yes, I I did speak to the devil, but I deny him now, and they'd let you go and not kill you. Then you would always have this like mark on your name.

And maybe twenty years later and more witch hunts are coming up wherever you live, then you're just, oh, my god, is this related to the Salem witch trials at all? So this all happened sort of leading up to, like the Salem witch trials, so that that was influenced by the same beliefs that were percolating for hundreds of years beforehand, and so Salem is a little different. I don't want to like bore every minute or some of that, but that was a lot of this also was political. It

wasn't all about like female sexuality. Sometimes it was like a grudge or you know, trying to um make alliances so they would like get rid of people that way by accusing them of witchcraft. Sale. A lot of it was that it was not um really about female sexuality so much. Even Oh I didn't know that. Yeah, well I guess because I've been reading so much of that. I wasn't sure. But we do that today. Is there anything that we can put onto somebody to make everybody?

I guess the same way we do. What do you mean, like, if you're saying that people were doing it for for gain, is there anything that today we could call somebody and they could completely be exiled. I guess the pedophile, Yeah, rapist in case basically which was up there, You'd get beheaded.

That's insane. So I wanted to bring something up. I'm you mentioned amber Rose in your book and slot walk and I don't know if this was your book or I read somewhere else, but I thought it was your book where you said she used to slot chamber she changed her tune. Yeah, that was an interview that I read in the Guardian and I quoted her and she said she used to call women sluts and hose in a bad way. Okay, I like that. You fixed that she used to go women in a bad way. Yeah,

because right now not now read that. But I only, uh wanted to bring that up to just ask you both, can women change their minds? And if they do and they have because we talked about amber Rose doing it, what's the most slut shamy thing you used to do

before you woke up? Because I'm gonna tell you mine. Okay, I used to talk shit when I was like a little bit younger in high school about girls that were having sex or got fingered or anything when I was doing it, like I would shame them, talk shit about it, and I would do it, you know, whether it would be like anything, I mean, oh my god, she's a

fucking whoreror like I would just I would. And I was wondering if you guys had had a moment where you've been like that and then you had to get comfortable, whether it be lying about your body, cow or or anything. So it's I'll actually say, Um, this is something even as recent as us starting the podcast. Um, I do still think that ho and slut are not good words. So even with this podcast and uplifting that word, it's still something that I don't want to be referred to as.

So to me, that's still kind of a slut shamy type of mindset, because I do want to I know that slut and ho and the words were probably created by men just to shame women in their sexuality. And so unfortunately, do you think that you think that way because you know people are using those words to be hurtful, So that's I don't think that that's necessary. You're you know.

I just did this analogy on when I was on the Inner ho Uprising, and I said, I said, you know, there's times where I think I want to stop saying the N word because I should be more woke. Right, I was like, because I definitely cringe when I hear the F word. But I realized why I do. It's because nobody says my F like they say, there's never a term term of endearment, you know what I mean? So you know when someone what's up? What's up? Bit like,

it's not right? So like you, we can feel comfortable with these words, right, Um, but I think that you know when someone tries to call you that they aren't being nice like or try to say it in a way where it can feel hurtful. Even hate to bring it up. But you've got an our huge argument, public argument with about it. You know that that word what it felt like when you heard it? Yeah? Yeah, So if you're not gonna count that, dann God damn take

them out. Got name me? I slowle waight um um, I would say, um, it would be more so in the realm of when I did hang around more um sex workers. Um so growing up And I say growing up. I would say between eighteen to about twenty two, a lot of my friends were sex workers, um from porn stars, strippers, escorts. I still have friends that are escorts, and so I would say, Um, I would slesh shame the free hose.

I would slut shame the girls who are out there fucking and not getting money, or the girls who are out there just sucking for flights, like, bitch, you sucking for flights are Yeah. I would shame women who literally just wanted to instead, just because all of my friends were like, bitch, if you got a pussy, you need to be charging. So I would literally shame the free hos.

We call it because there's paid hose and free hose, and so I guess at that point in my life I would I would like, who didn't kind of still do that? Like, yeah, anything out of it. Yeah. I loved when Nina k she's a porn star who came on and she talked about this fun threesome she had. She's like, oh my god, he flew me out. It's from Tampa and my aunt, Well know, do you know it's free and off sit here and say that. I feel like I even so thinking that I used to

have that thought process yourself. No, people direct that to me. And when I talk about pegging or the enjoyment of pegging, a lot of women and men be like, wait, you do that for free? And so people want me to charge to peg niggas. So I'd be like, I enjoyed doing it, why would I charge? And so yeah, so the same thing that I put out to other people like, I get it now, but I enjoy doing that. Why would I charge? Is the mindset? And if a woman sex,

why should she? What's yours? I think? Um, I'm trying to think because I did go to like an all girls school, and it was really cool to be as slutty as possible. I'm slutty with all girls. Well, you would like go to the all boys school or with each other? So I grew up like I grew up lying a lot about having done a lot of stuff I didn't do. You you're like verse, yeah, like so I would you know what? It makes sense? You wrote this? Yeah, I went like I was going to like kink clubs

when I was a virgin. I mean, I don't even believe in virginity, but you know what I mean, you don't don't believe in virginia. Well, I think I don't believe in scientistic like the whole concept of attaching some sort of value to whether and it's all based really on sort of like a heteronormative like you know, the idea of a penis entering of vagina and you know,

in a woman or whatever. So I think there's a lot of problems associating, like changing how society views you based on if the dick has been you in you Like, that's like that really like that and what's Crazy's a virgin? Oh wow, what's even with what you just said? She's a virgin? We attached virginity too, sh yeah, right, and so like what does virginity mean if you're queer? Like

if you're not? Like always used to ask, right, So when I was going off, I knew I liked girls, but didn't really play it by sexuality until a little bit older. I always used to be so curious, like lesbians lose it? Do they always have their virginity? Right? And right there you go, that's totally fucked up anyway. Besides that point, so I was still like going, I'm loving this my home villo. That was interesting. I like that. I think we should like spread that to the huge virginity.

Virginity is not a thing anyway, so um, yeah you would about I was like fifteen, and I would still be like a virgin. So I think for me it was like thinking you had to do that's not really what you're asking, but just like no, no, no, that's good if you have to be the reverse st I don't know that that you're you're really uncool or being a prude or terrible if you want to say no. So that was a thing for me because I thought I consent. Obviously, I'm like thirty six, so consent was

not like a thing. I like, yeah, sent was not like a thing you just like, do I want to do it to you say okay, or you're uncool. So that was why the way D c okay for the Women's parch I was that the original, but I'll probably be at the New York one was the original DC. I do have a now a question. You brought up um Satan and the political rebellion, and I was like, oh my god, because I'm already scared after the broad Box.

But then I found it very interesting that Satan is or sat didn't mention really worshiping the devil because I thought Satan was the devil. Now they're feminist, Can you explain that? Yeah, I'm sure, And I know that there are people who, you know, worship a devil in the sense that you know, preachers and Christianity says they have for religious reasons, right, But I've never met those people whatever. But today there are groups of people who identify as Satanists.

But Satan is like an archetype and icon of being, like the eternal rebel, So they take the God right, they take ideas of Satan from literature, uh in the past. So basically it's Satan as this sort of you know, kind of nontraditional bad boy answer christ right and and and against um, you know, following these rules that like the Christian Church is have set up for us. So I've been conditioned to be scared, right, So there's nothing

scary about those Satanists at all. But of course when they do things, people still come out to protest because they think they're drinking the blood of babies or this and that. But there's a lot more ethics involved in Satanism than I would say in a lot of Christianity right now. Overall, as far as you know, bodily autonomy, they believe they have different tenants. You know, there's different

like Satanic groups, so there's not just one. So they all sort of go about their Satanism Satanism in a different way. But um, a lot of it is just based on individuality, individual rights and you know, fighting for other people's rights in your community. When I saw that with Satanist, I was like, so they really you're frightening black people all right? Like that ship really fucked me up. Like Satanist in the Political I thought that was a really cool chapter. Um. I also I am curious to

know you said your mom's a witch? What's a witch? Right now? So many things and that because Amelia is a blue hob but she's not a bad person. But like you're wearing black eyeliner right now, and Fishness liked this. I know what I'm just saying, Like that's what you think is God, which like because that know, but the aesthetics there's a big crossover, oy okay, because you know, God aesthetics come from sort of session like you have kind of like a cap ball, but it's not a

cap scarf. What is it cape? Like a bandana? I know, you know there was I should be wearing. Is that a scarf? Maybe? I can't wait till we post a picture of us. I wish I had want something more dramatic. Um. But as far as what a witch is today, that really that answer can be anyone. There are so many different ways people to find which and people practice witchcraft. You know there are Christian witches, Jewish witches, Atheist witches, um Wickan witches. But you knew practice. What is it

you teach an annual? You have an annual witch I have a I have a charity festival. Actually I haven't done it in a year because oh no. So basically, Glenda, Um, yeah, So basically the proceeds from the st of all go to the Rape, Abuse and Incests National Network, because I'm sort of tying this lineage of you know, people persecuted for supposedly practicing which craft in the past to you know, the abuse of women. So and I wanted to I

wanted to ask you. So when um you posted the book and I started commenting back and forth with some of our followers, they started saying, even some of the spells that still go on today, So it's a myth. I don't know if it's a myth or what. Maybe it's voodoo. Um period blood going in spaghetti, which is why there's a myth that you're not supposed to eat everyone spaghetti. Have you heard of this? Not heard that one? You know, there's a king in in his like in

his drink or something. Apparently the period, the period blood in the spaghetti is supposed to make him love you forever. Okay, all kinds of fun folk magic spells that I wouldn't necessarily know, but like my mom had her own group of spells to line growing up that she would, you know, teach me that were based on like Catholic folk magic.

Do you remember Catholic folk magic? Yeah, so you know, obviously there's like the Catholic Church, but then there's the regular folk and there's a long running tradition of like, um, people who are Catholic, like you know, the way like in like Haiti, Let's say a lot of people are Catholic, but they're also practice food practices too, you know, so

it's the same thing. So they'd be like Catholic folk magic, where you have to believe all the things in the Bible, but then you also do all these other things like maybe peeing in someone's tea or you know, my mom would like take a statue of St. Joseph and buried upside down in the in the front of the house if she wanted to sell the house to get it, like you know, when she was moving like a superstitious exactly.

So that's like kind of like the folk magic and something else like shipping in someone's lawn, like taking a ship and burying it. Yeah, it's supposed to like take away their prosperous. Amelia told me, like, if you want to get rid of someone and shut them the funk up, you take their picture, you write a name on it, you put it in a cup, you pee, put a little pee in the cup right, you close it, seal it, put aluminum foil around it. So if they try to get out, it goes back in and you freeze them.

You put them on a stuff in my freezer. Plenty of things. What um. Maybe she can say no, I don't want to like, I don't want to say I don't say that. People just like, yeah, yeah, it's just like what is your house girl? The way back at the charity festival, Like you know, you wanna like cut

ties with someone and that's that's what you call. Or there's like someone you want someone to like have sweet feelings for you, and like, what's that one that's like pouring honey on You can even write someone's name if it's of paper and pour honey on it and tie it up and instagram it. What if I don't know the whole name Instagram name work, I think so it is modern day, which it is. Actually I have a friend who like anoints her phone before sleeping on Tinder.

There's all kinds of shu raised that the digital interest. So if you like, let's say I have this Jezebel oil that my friends, you know, who do you want? Who do you want? Because I'm about to go to who I want some fine a French black pep you Oh wait? Who oh? I thought she was about to say, let's go come on. So yeah, I am not an herbologist or like I don't make oils, but I have

friends who do. So let's say, like I have my friends, um, you know love oil or love draw oil or Jezebel oil, like you could anoint your phone like all four you know, corners and yeah, there's so many ways to do on all four corners. Because this is who I want. His name is Ruby lisch Um. He's a soccer player, but

this is who I want. He's so got kill. So what do I do to get him to Just DM me bet because that's all I mean, Because the thing is one of the most The best kind of witchcraft is the kind of like you like feel that is authentic. You haven't if you do something that like you think is just from some dusty ol book or not, and you think it's dumb, it's not gonna work. So you have to do something that feels like right, I'm masturbated to him. That sex magic we got to talk about,

I think from sex magic. This book deal came from and I got another book deal recently from more sex magic. Wait, what is that? Come on magic? Sex magag Like witchcraft, sex magic means a lot of things and a lot of different traditions. Like I'm not initiated into a tradition.

I have my own like ship that I just learned from family stuff and just from friends and what felt right to me and some other people like really like a serious qualified path that you know, other people have written books about and have you know, you know, sacred text that's not for me. That's too close to like organized religion for me. So there's no sacred texts in my world. You know. I go with my intuition and what works, you know, and it's all sort of still

working with nature and nature based ship. But the digital is obviously important. That world is what we live in. But so shakrabs, you're talking about Crystal egg, bro, I need them to sponsor us. I love Vanessa, you know, she's in the book. Oh my god, bro, like it would be perfect. She would I'm sure I moved one with someone else. Her and I were like, it was amazing,

but I don't want to like puppets. But but even even talking about it, so we kind of slightly brought it up with Amelia who mentioned kind of just crystals and how they really and us saying the importance that this isn't y'all going out buying crystals and show no, do not do that. No, No, that was like poked me before. Yeah, so sex magic and chak rubs even you're saying, yeah, so I used a chak rub. I used to do my own sex magic without anything else.

When I was younger, I realized I was doing sex magic without knowing and how I would masturbate and like think about things and envisioned goals and things, and it would happen. It would happen masturbating like thinking about a new job, kind of like about the feeling like like like um, just like walking into a room feeling like

powerful or whatever. Sometimes there'd be you'd be thinking about a person too while you're jacking off or whatever, but sort of having this goal oriented practice or like thinking about raising certain types of feelings, or like a hot outfit you're wearing and you feel so powerful and sensual in that moment. Oh my god, Kristen, I'm masturbated in the suit I was wearing for the job I got. And I was just really really horny that day. But I didn't do it with intent. I just you still

were wearing. I felt really good in the suit. I masturbated and it was like, oh, like it just felt so good, and then you got the job I did. There, you go, that's the same thing. It doesn't have to always be like conscious like that, you know what I mean? So, yeah, I I met a friend who was a creative director for a publishing house, and I told her I teach a class based on this at the new school. So I just about that and then she's like, oh, maybe

you should do a book proposal or whatever. But I don't know, you know, I didn't know if I was going to get it. So I thought, Okay, I really need to make this ship happen. You know. I even had a friend like carve a candle for me with like and I you know, put all my intentions into into that. And it was a full moon and I had my shock rub and it was a pink of rose Courts one, a pink one because it was for like self love to really just like get into put

rose Court sometimes totally. Or you could do like I've also done with Obsidian, to like get rid of all the negative feelings you might have about something, to set you free to like really get the next day because I'm really scared about my ask there you go, I'm sitting in my booty, I kind of I'm sitting there. So yeah, I did it. And then um, the day I press send on the proposal, I did my ritual,

you know, jerked off with my chakrab. A month later, on the next full moon, I got an email of saying you have it, so you basically fucked yourself into my hands. Uh wow, people can And I actually teach a class with a friend of mine. It's a sex and color magic class on how do you use like color? Like you said, your your outfit, I only like black cock. That what you like saying the word cock. But when I put black front, that's what I like. So we're not you know, we are not trying to up your

book deal. Let me shut up. So not colored people, but color your bedspread or your sheets, or the room, the color you paint your room with, the outfit you wear, the lingerie while you're jerking off. But okay, it's always black. My sheets are always all white, and then my clothes are always all black. Same, what do I need to change? You know, all different colors have a different sort of energetic frequency and they also mean different things. And so

if you money, let's say green. Okay, so you want some money. I had a friend who was always like, yeah, when you know, jerk off, like, get some some greenery, like some live plants, you know, some fresh green, you know, and obviously imagine like green exploding and falling on you or money, you know, when you're when you reach climaxes kind very like a red red light and the moment's supposed to bring more sexual Actually I didn't hear about that because my daddy jam Makan, and he had a

red light. And when that red light was on, I stayed away from the bedroom. Do you remember that. I swear to guy. I was like, daddy, why are your light red? And then we ended up talking and I'm like, my daddy, we're not going into the room when the lightbulb is red because I'm not trying to have what is it called When the water humidifier thing it glows, I put the oils in it. So sometimes I changed the color, like I noticed what I want, like a little bit of softer sex. It's like that light blue.

But I don't know I were cractic like color and sex magic? Right, Oh my god, a witch. I knew it was right now. Okay, So I want to play the game really quick only with you. Basically, I just called and I want to say a name, and you just tell me about what's going on from your book. So first one is Titchuba, the Black Salem witch who then, is that one of the first three women accused of witchcraft in Salem, and she was the only black woman

accused of witchcraft. Actually her racist ambiguous ambiguous, Sorry that's what I was. But some people think she was an indigenous woman umm Barbados, and some people think she was I thought write. So it's still not known the documents. It's because her last name was Indian, so they don't because she also could have been married to an indigenous man and his like they would call him John Indian

was her husband's name, So they don't really know. Why was she so famous though she's so famous because releas no, there's no, there's not really a sexual aspect to her someone else but um, well, actually know the reason why you're thinking it is because in actual historical like sense that we know of, she was just accused of, um being a witch and she came out and said, uh, yeah, I saw all these other women in town doing witchy shipped too with the double so they were trying to

funk with her, and she funked with them back and she survived. She actually did not get put to death, so that but we don't really know according to history what happened to her. But there was this book that I write about by Marie Conde, which is I Titch of a Black Witch of Salem and totally story. Yeah, and Tichi was a totally like sex positive witch, uh, and she ends up getting to Salem through of you know, all kinds of uh strange mishaps. And she is like

a slut in the best sense of the word. She's always trying to tell the like the white Puritan women she's around, to like not be so fucking uptight, and sex is not of the devil, but like a natural, human, beautiful experience. So that I like that. We have no proof that that that's real, but it was a great like part of no. I like that. So the second one, which I feel like some of us should we should know.

I don't know if you've seen Dinner Party, the installation at the Brooklyn Museum, of course, the ship So Join Your Truth was in it. If you guys don't know what it is, I'm gonna try to describe it. It's in the shape of a pussy, like really in my head, it's a triangle, right, and it's all these plates and it basically shows you in the version of I don't know a dinner plate what their pussy would look like. For example, Georgia O'Keefe, the artist we know with flowers,

her pussy looked like a flower. And UM, so join your truth was on there. Can you tell us who that is if we don't know? Yes, So she was um formerly a slave and then was emancipated and um was a great orator and basically went around and these beautiful impassioned speeches to like hundreds of people about the realities of black women and enslaved women, and basically was shaking up the suffragist movement at the time when a lot of the suffragists are super racist and saying, yeah,

women's rights only for white women. But this was also good, sister. Journal Truth was someone that I learned in school a long, very long time ago. Um. And they even so there's a festival in Eatonville, Florida, UM called the Zorneil Hurst and Festival. So so journal Truth was also with her UM means of or rating and speaking and writing for people. It meant a lot because of course, as you guys know, education, writing,

those things were not given to slaves, let alone women. UM. So she actually, yeah, was very known during I'm not gonna say civil rights movement or anything like that because it was far well before that time, but it was yeah, but as a woman coming out being able to hold those type of like it's not the first first black city in in Florida, that's right, okay, Um, and it's

in Orlando, Florida, which is where we're from. So but yeah, all of that, and she was accused of being a witch and she actually won a court case and got money for it because people said you were a witch and she was like, I'm not in the sense of the term back then, which yeah. So the third one I have in there, Um, you wrote something about after Martin Luther King died, the Witches of NYC started What the fuck? Oh? I think I was just setting context

for like what was happening in the world. It wasn't like a direct response, but it was that they were protesting activist group called the Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell, which is which w t H and UM. They dressed up as witches and would do these like sort of protests like guerrilla theater like you know, um performance art slash protests like they hext the New York City stock exchange.

None of them as far as I know, really believe I do rooms around when they're they're sort of like using a witch as a feminist mascot in a way. So dude, I'm not gonna lie. I feel like after reading your book, I really wanted because well even them having the brooms are dressing up like that's all. That's also just the narrative idea of what we think of a witch. Like even if we look at the witches and the Wizard of Oz and you know, the good witch, bad witch, but that which had the point, he had

the point, you know, I want the point. What's funny about Mandy saying this is before when you sat down, Mandy was like, I just want to you know, I don't like but like you get woke now I'm getting awoke. Always a wait, Well, there's just so many ways to talk about the witch as a figure and an archetype. And like my dad being a super atheist, you know, he would think so much of this is like bullshit.

But when it's couching this like political, you know sense there's like a real history that I think it's important, so that like how it ties to back to just sexuality and feminism just essentially men not wanting to allow a woman to be a woman, explain the woman body, um, and not just allow us to feel those same things in the same orgasms that men get to us. So I think it's and I like how you tie that

into again the slut shaming what we're dealing with. You brought up she wrought up Hillary Um with the burner at the stake thing, and I just love them, Like, basically, whiches are now sluts and feminists and it's the same ship. Are they any other black feminists that you think we should all know about or rejoice in? I know, our modern day one we could say is like an Amber Rose. You brought up her slat walk and how important it is, But like, are there any other ones that you think

should be maybe highlighted or not as well known. I mean she's well known, but in a different way. Bree Luna who runs the Hood, which oh I think she's super inspiring, badass, which she had her own room at twenty nine Rooms. Yeah's killing it. She's also an awesome person and super funny and creative and what she don't

know her name? So with her with her business and like building the visibility of you know, a different like way we see the witch because a lot of you know, Hollywood films, at least TV, which is are white and you know that you follow the hood witch, and that is like not the way real witches are. Real witches are every different type of like actually trying, dude, I'm trying to pay a black witch switch. I'm trying to

think too in pop culture. Yeah, yeah, I mean, now there's like like The Vampire Diaries had some and you know it's not as many either American story that whole oay, is there anything else? But yeah, it's really Actually the odds was it was so but the Black One and there was a black witch in that damn. I mean I get. I mean technically yeah, apart from American. So every week we get homeml right, which is basically our listener um questions that they send in. And I wanted

to read this one. Hella, ladies, I don't even know how to start this. Hope it makes none the show. Um, so she wrote twice, but like, please read this on your show. Happy New Year. I love it. You guys are going strong in your lives. It gives me hope. For the women Empowerment movement. Thank you. So my home mail is that I want to be more sexually open and try things like a three summer, even using toys,

or just being more of a freak overall. I grew up in a church strong and forced home, both with my mom and dad, so so all of that wasn't the lord was banished. Now I was a woman in my thirties, I've had sex, of course, and I have two partners, one male and female. Now. I was with a woman in college for three years and it was bad. I felt verbally emotional abuse, cheated on, used, And now that I'm with a man, we have connections about sex, and I do feel bad that I'm not into trying

anything new, including toys, lube, watching porn. My question is whether there's something I should do to be more open or should I leave him, basically because it's not happening with him real quick. I have a young sister who went for our way to college and she did nothing but white men. We're a black family, by the way.

My mom kicked her out of the house years ago and she checked my sister's email in front she was sending nudes to white man I've never tried pink talk, and I was interested, but that situation, my two sister and my mom put me off. Any advice would be great, keep up the show. I feel like she brought that up because we assume that, like white guys are like into freaky st like, bitch, why do we have a show like I mean, we're trying to. I mean, I'm not gonna lie, and I've said it more times than not.

I've never been with pink dick. I've only been sorry because you're white. I don't know already. Okay, I'm sorry. I don't want to marry it, but I've never I never had so like so like all of these sexual experiences that I've had and y'all know, y'all call me like the freakiest, like it's so nasty, but they've all been with black men. So I think it is a opening up. If unfortunately he's telling you he's not into

this again, I think communication is super big. Maybe you tell any even know if you're bringing it up it sounds like it doesn't sound like you're not bringing it up, but you can start off small ways. Be like, listen, babe, I came across this porn and it's kind of wild, but look at it and kind of just gauge what

he thinks about easy, I think definitely. I wanted to really read this with you because I feel again like religion kind of puts that back on us, and I wanted to ask specifically because maybe she needs to hear it and it's not a direct answer to her, but like, how does religion really shape the way we think about sex? And how can it then factor in later? Like what

does it do to us? Well? Most like monotheistic religions demonized sex, particularly for women and before marriage, right, So if you're like born into that, it's really really hard to like deprogram your mind and it's a you know, constant process you have to go through, and you should be like give yourself a break too for not knowing

like where to turn or how to go forward. I think that's awesome that someone would come out and ask those questions, because it's a super it's brainwashing, you know. So I don't think you should feel bad if you grew up like they. You can't help it. You can't

can't help how you're born. I did an episode on our Patreon which one of my best friends on their James talks about Yeah, well, he calls his evangelist like family, which is great, but he says, you know, like my mom would cut out pictures of breast like cleavage in newspapers. He's like, I jerked off for the first time and like I didn't know what happened, what came out of me.

He's like, bro, like everything about sex. I was fucked up because of this fucking bullshit, you know, religion that I went through and how it just made me feel like everything was bad. He said that he even hurt in church once. You shouldn't jerk off because it'll make you gay from touching dick. And even though that's extreme, that's very extreme. Just I feel like her saying religion was in our home. I feel like that's what makes it so scary to then bring it up, because even

talking about it is wrong. That same, yeah, wanting to do anything sexual in some ways wrong in the back of your mind maybe, or even bringing it back to where we sit here and demonize women for wanting to have sex or experiencing sex, and then if they lose it before or marriage, now you're tarnished. Now, you're soiled.

Now you're bad goods. So even to grow up in you know, that type of environment where that's your mindset, I can get where now it may be even hard for her to say maybe I kind of want to try kicky things, but maybe it's hard not even knowing how to express it herself. That's maybe it's just in her head. So if she feels like he won't do it with it, if she can't say the words. Because we have so many questions, we get like this, what would be your advice to someone that can't blatantly say

what they want? What are other ways to be inventive with sex or asked for things that you want rather than just being like I want you to fuck my throat because they don't really know yet, Because that like figuring it out what you want first is important, right, So I think that is like all in the realm of fantasy, and that could be done with like like a masturbation challenge, you know, like if you sit with yourself and like make yourself, you know, pleasure yourself without

right just like what I like that? What comes to your mind? What do you like? That's theright thing to do? So then over a month, like write down all the things that come up and then try them in real life, or at least you know, decide if that's something you want to broach or even I don't know how old she is, but something that works when I'm dating someone or when I'm trying to get to know how kinky someone is, I say, let's play the game twenty one questions.

You never really get to twenty one questions, but then it just opens the dialogue like, let's not even limit what we can ask, but it's twenty one questions. How would you answer this? And so it's gauging what's really kinky to you? Would you try this? Um? This came to mind? Have you ever watched this type of porn? And so you turn it into a game to where you can even start off by saying, some of these things I've never done, but I just want to know

what your what your take is on it. So then you turn it into just something kind of whimsical and kind of childish. But now you're not you know, saying that, oh I'm into because honest really fun. I had a guy I dated one said I knew wouldn't be for me because he said I laughed during sex, And you thought that was just respectful. It was a Slovenian guy. What church or something. He was like, I don't know. That really made me uncomfortable. I like, do you know

much funny ship happens during sex? Think about when you're switching positions and like you're like, oh, fun Like how can I not laugh a little? I laughed every time I'd be laughing, dude, I'd be laughing when I'm like all right, I'm done right, And I don't think that the last time I laughed really hard during sex, me and Scissors were having sex and we're using this like

double dong. We put it down, I'm going down on her, we pick it back up and because jelly, all his hair is stuck to it, and I'm like, bitch, between your and my fucking we've look at this like, yeah, I think the last time I laughed during sex was, Um, I'm not gonna say why because yeah, I'm but he came. I asked him, and oh, I think I talked about this on a Patreon episode. So I asked him to

come on my face. That's kind of what I asked, but he shot out like I as I was saying, to come on my face so I missed the closing my eye part and it went in my eye and I'm laughing because I'm literally like this and I'm like, you came in mind. And he thought it was the

funniest thing. And I'm like I just got my lashes done and he's laughing, but I'm like, no, nigodies was eighty dollars and I but oh my god, Christ And I gotta tell you, someone wrote in right and was like, oh, I wanted to know if you guys could like debunk this question. But somebody came in my eye and I swear I could feel it swim and we talked about before. Yeah,

we talked about this. Yeah, and really literally we sat here and was talking about she thought there was it was, but then it happened to me after like, oh I feel it. I feel the last time what happened, I was pretty drunk and there was like I was also really hungry, and so it was kind of like a late night you know, like meet up and I had.

It was at my place and there was like a bag of chip next to the bed and I was and I'm on top and I'm like, you did not start eating just while he was oh, my god, Oh my god. Do you watch Insecure? Yes? Do you remember when she was eating the She's like, oh, yes, I'm not in the fun I'm not like super into food and sex. But I was just super drunk and it was like he's a funny guy and we laughed together a lot, and I was like, I'm just gonna he thought it was funny, and I was like, you know what,

I didn't do that. I would love when someone to laugh at that, Like, no, I like that really doesn't even think of It's because when you do other things while having sex, like I'm not gonna lie for me having sex, don't watch TV because then likens like there's certain things like like I like when my nigga smokes his blunt while I'm sucking his dick. But I don't like if he's watching TV while I'm sucking. But I feel like the funny way when I'm going down. I

love when people are on the phone. I'm gonna I'm trying to keep a straight the okay, not like a business call, but like even like it makes it even better get those spreadsheets over, huh. I love like let your mama call you while I'm like that. I love you already talked about admitting incests. Okay, so not really like that, but I like for him to try to keep a straight face and make it sense, like, okay, mom, let me call you back. I'm a little busy. I

don't know. I like that. It's to answer your question about pink sick. Listen, I will tell you that I used to say that. I thought like when I first

started dating white guys, I was like, Okay, they're freakier. No, I just think there's this all around weird thing where with black men and women, we feel like we can't say it, so we kind of just wait for it to happen, whereas I don't know why that's just our thing, whereas with white guys, he had to just happen, where guys would tell me what I liked, quicker, faster, or asked to try things with me where they didn't really

have to figure. My guys aren't saying that, so you stick a figure in there, and they moved that little butt so you could stick mowing there exactly, but you're not saying it, So like you're right. I like that.

It's it's really true because I was like, initially, like white guys freaker, but like they're not right, It's just you can just talk about it more, right, because I think there's another thing of like black men maybe not even wanting to be quote unquote disrespectful, right, Like there's that big thing around there where like we want to make sure like we I don't know, I feel like in my opinion, I don't know if you can agree, Kristen, but like I felt like it was cooler for like

white girls at my school to be slats over like the black girls. Like I feel like it was, Yeah, there's way more like ability to be a slat and then go be like a respected member of society. Like it's not that like double stigma totally. It didn't feel like classes an issue too. You know, Yes, more money have the why do you are the easier it is to be like I'm slut and then still be treated like a human. Yes, when I was on Van Strow,

I was saying it, but I couldn't articulate. It was in my head, but I couldn't figure out what I was. But I really have felt like that, Like I felt like with my white friends they would get excited about it, and with like black girls, it was just like I can never like for sure sucking dick. Y'all's name's Becky with a good head like its White girls like y'all are praise it, like being able to sethnicity. I'm guessing

you know how to give good head. Unfortunately with with black girls like that stigma has been to wear you still stick too good? How No, either that or maybe black girls don't give his good head because you can't touch their hair. They don't want their hair touched and things like that around black women sucking dick compared to white girls putting that shir up in a polltail and

just going at it. There's a meme we posted today with like you sucking the soul out of him with your wig off, Like I'm sorry, but I had to really get around like only with white guys and I don't care, like having a sew in and being like are they going to touch my braids and feel weird? And now oh I don't and I should be blending, and then maybe i'd be like just so you notice

saying a mine. Then when they get the feeling and I know that they're confused because I have guys that like go to pull it and then I feel them like touching and yes it's a sewing. You want to keep sucking your dick or not, you can touch it, like, but I think that some of them think it's my natural hair until they go do the hold on white girls got clippings and they do they do. I hate what is it? You'll be taping your hair and no

tape micro beating. But she's like, okay, back about listeners know where they can find you, where they can possibly get your book if you have any other books for them to read if they like, which is fus feminists? What else? Um can our listeners do to get you?

Find me on Instagram? It's Christian Corvette Corvette with a K in descript enough here we're gonna put her book title, her Instagram, her site, and we'll also tag it um yeah, um yeah, I have a new book coming out next fall is like kind of a part two but evolving. How um cats actually have been coded as these like hyper sexual bee line entity? Yeah, why do we call it a pussy? Like? Why is it? You know? Why are women caddy? Like? What are all these associations with

cats and sex and women? And like if you look on like the stock room. Let's say, just like you guys are y'all friends. So this whole just made me do a whole episode on animals with six animals, haven't But we came from like all this bull about animals. Fucking God. May have or may not have listened to that episode yet, but we did a whole fucking episode about animals, sucking bro. But no, for for real, they'll like think about the cat emoji. How it's got like

the like it looks hotter? Yeah, why do we think cats wire cats? Let's so that's basically and also there's there's a history and also at the time of the witch trials, many cats were also put to death and like associated the black cat right or the cat lady archetype, you know all these like weird cats and women associations like dogs or men cats or women, Like why what is it? Like? So that's my next catt Yeah it's

called cat call. Uh reclaiming the feral feminine. Okay, so we gotta read that one, and then next fall is no like this yeah yeah you know, well, I mean until then we brought your book. Do you do any like talks? I do talks, um, I do events and like I post about them all on my Instagram. Mostly have a website. That's boring, and one goes to a website right, not anymore. We bought the domain, but we ain't even posted yet, Like I'm on word for us to start it was effort. No, it's a ton. You

gotta get the graphics. It's just a lot. But how what's the proper way to buy your book to put money in your pocket? Let's talk about that. I do usually sell it. I just sold out, but I will replenish and I sell No, but the things, no, no, no, no, it's buy my own books from the publisher. It's kind of weird, you know, I know how that said. Yeah, it's not can you have to buy a high number? So sometimes I don't actually have the money to buy

my own books to sell. But you can get it on like indie bound or the Strand or Amazon if you're not against Amazon. The Strand gets you good money. Strand is good the Strand. If you one hunts, you get paid out. Okay, Amazon, it's fine on my website if you do buy it, um, I get like I send you like a little patch that's a sex switch, and like stickers and so yeah, so that like it's the most money in my pocket. But also just buy the damn book however you want. Man, I'm just happy

to share this information. Is their audio version. I just finished recording the audiobook. It's going to be out, like I hope in a couple of months. You speak well, so I listen. Maybe hate when you're saying that you can talk English. I just I appreciate it thanks in accents mean to be fair, we've had guests where we're like, oh my god, Liken like this fucking talk already there, like weird, like you've spoken very well all episode. The same as King Noir, who also came on and so him.

I love when men speak well. I have this super crush on a man who's taken but he has a podcast. Um, if you guys, girl, he's taken up. He was just on bands show, so if you guys want to hear an intellection. I love Aaron Foster and how he's his mindset. He's also into like science, he's an atheist and he failed to science. No it makes me know, but like so he makes atheism sounds sexy. I'm not gonna lie.

I'm like, okay, maybe because that is liked. I know he's so woke so because of how he speaks, though, it tries me on. So I think I'm a safeo sexual bitch. Thank you very much. So you know, keep going where. Yes, I think she's like what I said. I think, yeah, that's it. Are you on Twitter? A lot of people? Okay, not more? Instagram should pick up

my Twitter game. But yeah, I'm just trying. And I also have the Sluttest Instagram also, but that's more like sluttest that's just not that that's not me, but like the site and if you ever have some so like you know, we have the Vanilla ships, some good Sluttest stuff for us to just yeah, every episode we have a Vanilla ship, so we love to send you you know, we can get featured insight. Yeah, I need Sluts of the Month always we are yeah, all right, there we go,

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Monday right after this episode. So thank you, Christen, thank you so much for coming. Wasn't the funnest podcast you've been on it? Yes? Obviously. Hey guys, this has been yet another episode of horrible decisions. By delete it all, you can't. I actually kind of want to find them now. I'd love to use my own truth against myself now because I don't want it's the best way, it really is, and I would love to use my muckshot is like my tender, I mean my Tinder my Instagram picture, but

I can't find it. So I'm in a lace dress with pearls. A J gott a picture of me with that from that night, lace dress with heels, and I was wearing lubatans and they had this picture of me and I was wearing it while I was out and around GP. So they make me change my clothes because my dress was too short. Put on prison clothes. I had to spread cough. You have to stick your fingers inside of yourself like hold your cheeks open and cough like I farted. So there's so much air com you

know what I mean. She's like checking in my tongue and like making sure, like I don't have drugs. I'm like, which, I swallowed it seven hours ago. So I was still mollied out in jail. So get there Friday. No, now it's Saturday morning. I guess. I'm like whatever, I'm just gonna sleep this ship off. So they give me a zip lock bag and they basically give you the necessities before you have commissary money or whatever. There's a pair

of underwear, um toothbrush, a notepad, pens. They give you pens and jail they had pen but like this is in a bag ziplock bag and stamps. So I get to my bunk and the girl says next to me because she looks at my mug shot picture and they're looking at my nails in my hair, and they like you getting out, huh. I was like, yeah, I'm getting out. So she goes, look kind of your stamps. I said, yeah, sure, So I take the bag and I threw it at the edge of the bed. She goes to get them,

and so does another girl. These bitches start fighting nervous stamps and my bunk slides off. I am now in the midst of these two bitches fighting, and I'm like, oh my god, it's no Origines of New Black was out by then. I was terrified, Mandy. I thought these holes gonna kill me. So didn't fucking they let them fight the whole way through. They don't break them up in jail. They let them fight the whole way through, which I've been there for a few hours. I'm terrified.

So he looks at me, He's like, oh, y'all go, I said, oh, absolutely not. I'm I have a court date. I'm getting out. I don't know what these holes was doing. So everybody, did you know what they were in there for? No, not at the time, but people had different colors on it, a little like the little little mugs shot. So I'll tell you about that in a minute. So I sleep for the first two days, honestly, like slept it through, probably because I was so high, you know what I

mean that sleep? Wake up, see the light, you one go outside. No sleep. So Sunday I wake up or Monday morning. I'm starving, Mandy. I'm starving. Everybody's telling me don't eat the food. Now they say this is the thing. I don't know if there's true or some jail tail, but they like, don't drink the juice because they put these like hormone suppresses in it, so nobody would fuck like they put really weird shit in it. No, maybe in prison, in jail they do that. Just a myth

jail mill, it could be. They were like, don't eat it. So the food was so disgusting. I then went to the counter of the person who watches the GP people and I was excuse me, as you can see from my last name, I'm a Jew and I need a kosher meal. She was like, okay, well you're not gonna see him till tomorrow. I was like, okay, well, I had money in cash. Can I use that for commissary. She's like, no, you can't do anything at the holiday weekend.

So there's a girl in front of me eating cup noodles and when I tell you, it looked like a steak bit for that the best Kobe wagou what I was used to at the time I'm watching her. He was used to oxtail. He was sucking Jamaican's in good so I'm looking at this girl with a couple who was I'm like, what am I gonna do? How do I convince her to fight home? So hold on? I go up here. I'm like, hey, I have money, but not with me. Can I put money in your conversary tomorrow?

Can I pay you back? She's like hell no, So let me tell you. We're my negotiating you selling skills coming, bitch. I was like, listen, how much is one of those? She's like three dollars, which is very expensive. I was like, okay, well I want three, so how about I double it. I'll give you twenty dollars. She's like absolutely not, and I was like, okay, I guess that's not that good at a risk. I'm gonna give you forty dollars when

I get out of here for three of those. So you'd be basically betting nine bucks of your commissary to make back more than triple. I wouldn't have trusted you. How do I getting it? There are now ten bitches talk about no, no, no, They're like, funk that ship. One of them yelling at her like you'll be giving you money every month? Anyway, bitch? Take it. It's take the hell you got mad money. It's the thirteenth. I remember the day because my mom's birthday, to like, just

do it. You still got money left, Just do it. Bitch is worth it. So she did it. She wrote down her am scott um prison idina because I had to go to am Scott her prison idea number on my hand. She's like, bitch, if you don't do the shot, beat your ass. And I was like, okay, Mandy, when I tell you I ate them ships. Those two this day were the best meals I can remember when you're starving. I got chicken beef and a vegetable one, but I was eating them ship slow. Someone gave me a little

milk to make that ship creamy. I don't even know you can do that ship how So the next day, right I go to court. It's in the morning. The reason, by the way, they she gave it to me is because of that mug shot bag badge picture. I had those pearls on that lace stress and they were like she looked like she got money. And my nails were done and my hair was like just freshly sewn in and they're looking at me like she can afford it. So I get to court. There's two women before me,

and I remember specifically what they did. The first one was in possession of crack cocaine, and the woman right before me was there for prostitution. And so I said, when I got up wired you here, I was like, oh, it's just my license. I didn't do that. I just drove that a license. So then I didn't realize how testy I was being. And she was like, so basically you did it for a second time after we already had you up and watched it. I let you out you're probably gonna do it again. I was like, man,

I was like pleading my case right. I think I was like twenty years old. So she tells me that she will release me as long as I have an ankle bracelet on. Now. I couldn't understand why I would be on house arrest for just a license, and she said, it's not house arrest is GPS. So we make sure you don't flee the state. You can go wherever you need to go. So I go get this ankle bracelet that was this big. It was huge. If you guys google GPS bracelet, it was huge, took up more of

my ankle. I was chafing, and that's how big it was. It was rubbing against me. So long story short, there's a battery in this with a microphone because you have to charge it, and if you don't charge it or if you flee, they will talk to you through the bracelet and find your ass. So I was wearing long skirts to work. I didn't know what else to do. Right, I'm so upset. So I finally was able to get some dicks. I'll call when he's drug dealing, because I

knew and I was. It was Mike, and I was like, listen, I just I'll let you know I have an ankle bracelet before you come over. He's like, it's okay, I don't worry about it. We'd before. So he comes over. We're fucking, and he's holding my ankle and like making sure it doesn't rub up and down like he's holding the ankle bracelet, and I'm like, damn, he got this ship together. So once we're done fucking, I'm like, yo, you actually like that wasn't your first time? He was like, bro